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Stephen Smith Body Exhumation to Determine Cause of Death · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace Here.
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  Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learned that the Murdog family
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  Speaker 1: furnishings are to be auctioned off. This is what we know.
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  Speaker 1: A Georgia auction house has announced it will be selling
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  Speaker 1: items from the Murdoch family home there in Coleton County,
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  Speaker 1: hosted by Liberty Auction. Wow, all those furnishings and now
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  Speaker 1: they're going on the block. And there's more as it
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  Speaker 1: relates to the Stephen Smith homicide potential homicide investigation, the
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  Speaker 1: young teen found dead in the middle of the road
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  Speaker 1: near a Murdog property. But first let me introduce to
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  Speaker 1: you Dale Carson joining us deal hyperfy, a lawyer out
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  Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, but also former fed with the FBI as
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  Speaker 1: an FBI agent. You know, Dell having just come from
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina courthouse where Murdoch was found guilty on double
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  Speaker 1: murder and the deaths of wife Maggie and son Paul.
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  Speaker 1: He Murdog was living on a grand scale deal and
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  Speaker 1: that's quite the dichotomy compared to his possessions being auctioned
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  Speaker 1: off at a public auction. I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if i'd want to buy stuff that belonged to Alex Murloch.
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  Speaker 1: But that said, that is quite the reversal of fortune
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  Speaker 1: deal Carson, Well, it absolutely is. And you think about this,
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  Speaker 1: that money derived from the auction should go to the victims.
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  Speaker 1: That money was taken from Bullen from by his father.
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  Speaker 1: So you wonder if there's an estate that's set up,
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  Speaker 1: which is certainly would be true for the mother and
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  Speaker 1: the other his brother, then that money should reasonably go.
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  Speaker 1: It becomes the Murdoch estate, go to those people who
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  Speaker 1: sufferable loss. Among the items that are listed for sale lamps, dishwear,
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  Speaker 1: a leather living room set, pillows monogrammed with Maggie Murdoch's initials.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my, would you want to look over and see
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  Speaker 1: Maggie Murdoch's pillows. Well, the Bonnie and Clyde car is
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  Speaker 1: used now to have people paid a view it, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the household items. There's a
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  Speaker 1: very elaborate set of it looks like really fancy plates
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  Speaker 1: with like hunting scenes on them. There's like a giant
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  Speaker 1: picture it looks like a deer has been hand painted on.
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  Speaker 1: They're scenes from the outdoors. Very very elaborate. But I
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  Speaker 1: got a question. Who wants to have Maggie Murdog's engrave
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  Speaker 1: pillows in their dinner living room? Well, you know there's
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  Speaker 1: that entire underground of serial killer memorabilia, cam murderabilia, murderabilia,
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  Speaker 1: murder reabilia. There you go. I write a whole chapter
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  Speaker 1: on it called Blood Money, and my very first nonfiction
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  Speaker 1: called Objection. Yeah, okay, you're right, you're right. People buy
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  Speaker 1: autopsy photos, they buy every odd thing you can think.
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  Speaker 1: I've connected to a murder investigation. But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess part of the dichotomy that I see del Carson
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  Speaker 1: is that Murdog's love of money and all that it
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  Speaker 1: could buy, and all the opportunity could open up for him,
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  Speaker 1: and the power he had in Coleton County, Now it
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  Speaker 1: was just all on an auction block. I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: that millions of dollars and now strangers are going to
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  Speaker 1: own some of his prized possessions belong to him and
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  Speaker 1: his wife. I mean, he killed for that money, and
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  Speaker 1: now the things that bought are on auction. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: just amazing to me that it would end like this.
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  Speaker 1: But then absolute power corrupts, and we see this across
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  Speaker 1: our lives. Certainly that if people have too much power.
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  Speaker 1: They tend to think the world ought will revolve around them,
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  Speaker 1: and largely it does, because we all seem to value
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  Speaker 1: money more than we should, family, of course, being the
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  Speaker 1: more important. I'm just thinking about everything, just the reverberations
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  Speaker 1: of the two murders and how they have affected everyone.
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  Speaker 1: As the furnishings. For one, I'm Arelock's three homes, and
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  Speaker 1: I produce they'll all be finally a massed together and auctioned.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure this money is, as you said, Del Carson,
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  Speaker 1: going to pay off various victims. But they were living
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  Speaker 1: so high on the hog deal. I mean three homes,
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  Speaker 1: none of them rented out for like rental property or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. There was the Edistow Beach house where
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  Speaker 1: Maggie lived, there was the main home, and then there
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  Speaker 1: was the hunting lodge where the murders occurred. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: remaining sons liable to profit from most of that, because
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  Speaker 1: of course the father is still in custody and will
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  Speaker 1: be four an extended forever. I thought that's what you
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  Speaker 1: were going to say, but you didn't. Well, clearly they're
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  Speaker 1: going to be appeals. Whether they bear fruits, there's another
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  Speaker 1: question altogether, so at the same time that Murdoch's possessions
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  Speaker 1: are being auctioned off, we also know that Buster Murdog
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  Speaker 1: is busy right now. He is denying, as he calls them,
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  Speaker 1: vicious rumors of his involvement in the death of teen
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith. There have been a lot of rumors and
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  Speaker 1: they were swirling all around the Cornhouse during the trial. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for those of you that don't get the Murdoch connection,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith's body was found not far away at all
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  Speaker 1: from one of the three Murdog homes. He was found
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the road. At the time, it
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  Speaker 1: was deemed to be a hit and run, although there
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  Speaker 1: was no glass or plastic or any indication left on
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  Speaker 1: the road note, tire marks, skid marks, nothing to indicate
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith had been hit. In the last days, his
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  Speaker 1: mother has announced that thanks to a gofund me she launched,
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  Speaker 1: she now has enough money to exhume Stephen Smith's body.
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  Speaker 1: There have been a lot of rumors connecting Buster Murdog
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  Speaker 1: Murdog's soul remaining child to Stephen Smith. Buster Murdoch says
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  Speaker 1: that's not true unequivocally. So normally I would say something
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  Speaker 1: quip you like methinks thou dost protest too much from
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  Speaker 1: Shakespeare that why would Buster Murdoch suddenly jump up and
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  Speaker 1: say I didn't have anything to do with that. He
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been charged with it, so why deny it? But
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  Speaker 1: there have been a lot of rumors, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that is why Buster Murdog is stepping forward and denying
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  Speaker 1: any any involvement with Stephen Smith. And of course, you
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  Speaker 1: know hidden runs are fairly clear. You don't get hit
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  Speaker 1: in the back of the head or the front of
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  Speaker 1: the head with that matter, without other physical injuries. If
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  Speaker 1: the car or truck strikes you from behind, you have
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  Speaker 1: damage consistent with a rear strike, and the back of
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  Speaker 1: the head gets injured by the hood of the truck,
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  Speaker 1: of the car, the reverse his crew. If he's walking
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  Speaker 1: toward the car or a truck he gets hit in
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  Speaker 1: the abdomen, you're going to see swelling and breakage there.
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  Speaker 1: And so an autopsy may have post death autopsy that's
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  Speaker 1: ten years old may actually turn shed some light on
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it was actually a car strike. And
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  Speaker 1: then if it wasn't a hit and run, then you've
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  Speaker 1: got to ask yourself, why did the body end up
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  Speaker 1: with trauma significant cranial trauma in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Now. According to many sources,
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  Speaker 1: the Steven Smith lawyers are saying, no, this is not
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  Speaker 1: a witch hunt for bustamrlog. This is trying to get
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  Speaker 1: a true cod cause of death on Stephen Smith. They've
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  Speaker 1: been very clear about it. And it's disturbing to me
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  Speaker 1: when a mom who is in a let's just say,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't have a lot of money to throw around, okay,
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of free spending going on there, she
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  Speaker 1: raises money on go fund me to do this explanation.
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  Speaker 1: A post mortem costs about two thousand dollars. I paid
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  Speaker 1: for one and with an American Express card, not too
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  Speaker 1: oft too long ago, and speaking God, go ahead, No,
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  Speaker 1: and you do get a lot of information from because
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  Speaker 1: the third party examination is looking for something. The previous examination,
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  Speaker 1: the post mortem, the autopsy wasn't looking for anything specific.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're not looking for something, you know, guess what,
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  Speaker 1: you're not likely to find it, you know. According to
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith's mother, Randy Murdoch offers to handle Steven Smith's
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  Speaker 1: I guess you would call it a wrongful death. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. I think Randy Murdoch, one
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  Speaker 1: of the Murdoch adult males, had coached baseball team. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that Stephen Smith was on I think Buster may
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  Speaker 1: have been on that same team. That maybe why there's
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  Speaker 1: that connection that people are gossiping about. But Stephen Smith's
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  Speaker 1: mother does say Dell Carson that Randy Murdock came and
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  Speaker 1: offered to handle Stephen Smith's wrongful death case. Now that
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  Speaker 1: conjures up all the images of Alex Murdog. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: after the Mallory Beach boating death, Alex Murdog was at
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  Speaker 1: the hospital offering to represent all the people that were
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  Speaker 1: the various people that were on the boat that didn't
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  Speaker 1: die and according to them, trying to get them to
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  Speaker 1: change their stories and not talked to police. Then he
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  Speaker 1: shows up at and as the sadder Field family, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'll represent you when Gloria Satterfield fell to her death
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  Speaker 1: there at Moselle and both times he stole the money.
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  Speaker 1: He's injecting something cases here, Randy is doing it. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: that's a real conflict of interest when you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: If they were somehow involved in the matter and then
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to inject themselves into representing the matter, you
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  Speaker 1: can cover anything up you want. And clearly the senior
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch did that very thing. I mean, he had information
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  Speaker 1: that led to massive settlements that the families were never
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  Speaker 1: able to receive. I mean, the whole thing is just
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  Speaker 1: a manipulation of power. And I'm not extending that manipulation
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  Speaker 1: to Randy Murdog because I don't know that. And before
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  Speaker 1: we cast him in a nefarious light, this guy Steven
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  Speaker 1: Smith was on the league team that he coached. That's
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  Speaker 1: my understanding. It could be an act of actual kindness.
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  Speaker 1: Randy Murdog is not Alex Murdoch, absolutely is there. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: do you ato was there? And I'm not suggesting anything
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  Speaker 1: toward about Randy. I know nothing of that individual. He
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  Speaker 1: may be an excellent attorney, but it occurs to me
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  Speaker 1: that blood is a lot thicker than water. Now, according
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  Speaker 1: to the lawyers that are connected to the excimation of
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith's body, they say, point blankly, this is what
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  Speaker 1: they say, their words, we don't accept. Lawyers for Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Smith's family say, we don't accept the original cause of death,
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  Speaker 1: that being a hit and run. And they've got to
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  Speaker 1: have a reason for that, because even though del Carson,
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  Speaker 1: the mom, has cobbled together the money for the excimation
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  Speaker 1: a private autopsy, that means somebody you know, like doctor
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  Speaker 1: Cyril Wecht or anyone doctor Michael Boden. An independent medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner can now come in and be paid to perform
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  Speaker 1: a private autosy. But in order to exhume a body,
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  Speaker 1: even if the state's not paying for it, a judge
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  Speaker 1: still has to approve it. Isn't that true? That's absolutely true.
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  Speaker 1: You go to a court and ask for an exhamation order,
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  Speaker 1: and clearly all of that takes time and money, and
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  Speaker 1: the lawyers that are handling the case would force manage that.
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  Speaker 1: But it's sad that a grieving mother should have to
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  Speaker 1: exhume her own child to determine the manner of death. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the cause may ultimately just be blunt enforced trauma, but
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  Speaker 1: the cause is an entirely different matter which relates to
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  Speaker 1: anything nefurious, and you can find all sorts of things.
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  Speaker 1: You can find defensive wounds. Perhaps this would be limited
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  Speaker 1: typically to the bone structure. Today, since it's been ten
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  Speaker 1: years and we don't know that the nature of the burial,
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  Speaker 1: what was there from aldehyde involved or not. Those kind
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  Speaker 1: of things are critical. But clearly you will be able
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  Speaker 1: to tell if the investigators in the original case, the
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  Speaker 1: first investigators and the autopsy post mortem autopsy really revealed
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  Speaker 1: the truth or did they make some gross error and
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  Speaker 1: that gross error might lead to an idea by investigators
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  Speaker 1: now that a murder actually occurred and not a hit wrong.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a very very complex autopsy.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard enough to do an autopsy without an exhimation
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  Speaker 1: being thrown in as a factor. But you've got the
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  Speaker 1: eximation and the implications of a body that has been
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  Speaker 1: buried for several years. Now the autopsy process, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: from aldehyde, but they're looking for something specific. They're looking for,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, maybe defensive wounds on the arms. Are
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  Speaker 1: those bruises, I mean they preserved? Can they be preserved? Well,
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  Speaker 1: they still be there. You will have to look inside
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  Speaker 1: the skin literally and look at the bone structure of
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  Speaker 1: the head to determine what, if anything, caused his death.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a very complicated matter. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: mother said at the very beginning, Dale Carson, she did
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  Speaker 1: not accept that this was a hit and run. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what mother would if it were one of our children,
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  Speaker 1: We certainly wouldn't accept that. Well, I mean, if the
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  Speaker 1: cops thought it was a hit and run, I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was a hit and run, but she never did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if there's sufficient evidence to support this, but we don't
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  Speaker 1: know that there was. And obviously if the mother's having
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  Speaker 1: to use a go fund Me account to fund the excavation,
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  Speaker 1: they're not in the power system of South Carolina. Time
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Greece. SLED South Carolina Law Enforcement Division
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  Speaker 1: based on information that they gathered, as they say, I
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  Speaker 1: want to quote it, during the course of the double
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  Speaker 1: murder investigation, have reopened the case of Stephen Smith. What
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  Speaker 1: about that? You said? Like you said, similar accurrences, right,
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  Speaker 1: something happened during the double murder case of Maggie and
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  Speaker 1: Paul that made them reopen the Stephen Smith case. I
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  Speaker 1: smell right. And it's not just two thousand dollars that's
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  Speaker 1: just the price of the autopsy. There's a forty thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollar price tag attached to the excimation of her son's
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  Speaker 1: body plus a private autopsy. That's a lot of money. Deal, Carson.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just charge that on your MasterCard. No, But
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting. If FLED reopened the investigation, you think they
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  Speaker 1: would fund the exhamation, and you would think they would
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  Speaker 1: put an actual emmy in with the private autopsy to
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  Speaker 1: review all the evidence if FLED is running the matter,
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  Speaker 1: and to have a private as you know, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have a thing where the chain of custody is
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  Speaker 1: going to be interesting. It's got to be proven. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the China custody. I know where
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  Speaker 1: his body's been. I want to find out why he
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  Speaker 1: was killed. And the hunch that the mother had on
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  Speaker 1: day one that her son did not die of a
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  Speaker 1: hit and run. Now they're using the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: still had his shoes on as proof that that isn't
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  Speaker 1: either here nor there for me. Some hit and run
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  Speaker 1: victims have on their shoes, and some of them don't.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them are literally not out of their shoes.
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  Speaker 1: He had his shoes on. But the the routine evidence,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't mean standard SOP SEDAD an operating procedure
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  Speaker 1: typical evidence, I mean evidence of routine in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: is very persuasive. She said her son would never have
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  Speaker 1: been walking down the road and limitation something Delle Carson.
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  Speaker 1: But I many times I went to the Carlton County Courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: Very often. I was driving at night because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be with the children till they went to bed
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  Speaker 1: my children, and then I drive in the night to
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  Speaker 1: get there to the courthouse. Those roads delle Carson are
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  Speaker 1: pitch dark. They're not any street lights. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: grew up in the country, so I was used to it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, if I lived there, I would
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  Speaker 1: not be walking down the middle of the road because
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  Speaker 1: you cannot see your hand in front of you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: the mother said day one, he would never walk in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the road. She would know. We know
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  Speaker 1: about our children and what they're inclined to do and
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  Speaker 1: what they're non inclined to do. And walking down the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the road in South Carolina in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night. Where's his car? Does he have a car?
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  Speaker 1: It was three miles away. His car was three miles away.
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  Speaker 1: He Stephen was found with a large wound to the
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  Speaker 1: right side of his forehead in the lying in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the road, three miles from his car. He
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  Speaker 1: also had a dislocated shoulder and cuts to his left hand.
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  Speaker 1: Now police initially stated that Stephen Smith's death quote appeared
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  Speaker 1: to be a homicide, and autopsy was performed the same
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  Speaker 1: day he was found and it was ruled he was
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  Speaker 1: the victim of a hit and run, right, I've heard this,
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  Speaker 1: and their suggestion is that he was hit by a
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  Speaker 1: truck's mirror. Well, if you're going to get hit by
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  Speaker 1: a truck's mirror, you're likely to have glass on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: As you mentioned, there woes none and clearly there was
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  Speaker 1: not an excessive and a normal investigation into the death.
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  Speaker 1: There just wasn't. If there had been, we'd have found
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  Speaker 1: other evidence. And by the way, you know, when when
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  Speaker 1: you're struck by a car, you leave physical data on
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  Speaker 1: the car or the vehicle. You leave physical data, not
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  Speaker 1: only your DNA, but you leave clothing, in prints, you
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  Speaker 1: leave maybe fingerprints you believe, maybe body tissue. So there
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  Speaker 1: was no evidence to evidence that I'm aware of that
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  Speaker 1: there was a drive towards finding the vehicle that was involved,
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  Speaker 1: or interviewing people, or looking for the camera footage that
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  Speaker 1: might exist. And as you say, this is a very
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  Speaker 1: rural area. I still have questions as to why he
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  Speaker 1: was there. Was he picked up by somebody. If he was,
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  Speaker 1: then that person is a likely suspect. Now, of course
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  Speaker 1: there were any if there is any DNA on his body,
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  Speaker 1: that's gone because he would his body would have been
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  Speaker 1: cleaned at the funeral home. Correct. I wonder if during
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  Speaker 1: the obviously they did X rays. Well don't you think
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  Speaker 1: they would actually keep his clothing as evidence that they
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  Speaker 1: thought it was initially a murder? And if they didn't,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: why didn't they? But at this hour we know that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Buster Murdog has just released a statement, apparently because the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: slew of outlets have gotten a hold of him, denying
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: vicious rumors surrounding the death of his classmate Stephen Smith.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: A lot has been made about the fact that Stephen
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was openly gay. The allegations connecting him to Murdog, in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: my mind at this point are just gossip and rumor
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and any window to the point where Busta Murdog had
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to come out and deny the rumors. Now, this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: after he loses his mother, his brother, his father is
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: now in jail for the rest of his life, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: now he is being accused of having something to do
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: with Steven Smith's case. I think the best thing right now,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Del Carson is to let the investigation take its course
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and leave Buster Murdoch out of it. Well, of course,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: connecting them is going to be difficult. Ten years almost
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: is allowed. Well, what got everybody so stirred up. Is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that his body's found close to Mozelle where Sodderfield, Glory
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: of Sadderfield died, where Maggie died, where Paul died. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: now you've got the body of a young teen that
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was a classmate of Buster's dead out in the street.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That I mean, people are just putting together those facts
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and coming up with the theory that Buster was somehow involved.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's much too soon to jump to any
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: kind of allegation like that. I would agree, but the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: allegations are going to p this until the matter. You know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it's not really an allegation. It's gossip. It's gossip, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you can't build a case on gossip. You know what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I hate. It's when I would get a case to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: prosecute and the friends or relatives, their neighbors will go, well,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: everybody knows he did it. You know what that and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a quarter It won't buy you a thing. Everybody knows.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: That's total bis technical legal term. Everybody knows. That means
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: nothing to me. What it means they haven't concluded all
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the investigations, is what it means. Because there are always
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: many people who could be responsible for a given crime.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And that's the effort of the defense attorneys to point
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that out where it's applicable, and for the state to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: wash it away, making it unreliable. And that's the process
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that we enjoy. One of the unfortunate disadvantages to our
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: criminal justice system is that not many trials anymore. And
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: if you've been in courtrooms, which you certainly have, you
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: look around in the peanut gallery and there's nobody there.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: We as Americans have found other things to entertain us
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: rather than the criminal trials that are the basis for
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: our democracy. Well, oh, here he goes with the basis
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: of democracy. I'm going to leave on that night before
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I get you cranked up on the constitution. So the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: latest is the autopsy is moving forward with Stephen Smith
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: bust to. Murdog has now denied any connection to the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: death of Smith, his former classmate, and Murdog's furniture and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Maggie's pillows are being auctioned off in about seventy two hours.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Murder Billie. Yeah, I'm not touching it with a ten
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: foot pall. That's the last thing I want in my
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: house is Maggie Murdock's pillows. Goodbye, What the evil that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: walked there at one point. Yeah, don't want that around. Bye, buddy,