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Kenny Wallace Show | Fans Are Going Crazy Because Joey Logano Won The 2024 NASCAR Cup Series Championship! · Kenny Wallace Media

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  All right, there you go. You are looking live.
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  Boom. Kenny Wallace, Charlie Marlowe.
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  A live edition of The Kenny Wallace Show.
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  Herm Joey Logano. He is built for this now a three
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  time NASCAR Cup Series champion. How about that?
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  First of all, Charlie, it's hard to believe here we are at the
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  end of another year. Great job, my friend, on all the
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  content that you have put out. OK, Yeah.
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  I want to address the elephant in the room right away because
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  this is what everybody's waiting for.
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  And I don't mean to be mean, OK? But I'm just going to tell you,
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  the way I see it, a lot of people are going.
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  Joey Logano needs to put an asterisk next to this because he
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  was put into the playoffs. Hold on.
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  Now, hear me out. And Charlie, make sure you
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  record this and let's clip this and put this on X.
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  OK? First of all, I want to thank
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  you all for showing up right here on the Kenny Wallace Show
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  on YouTube with my partner, Charlie Marlow.
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  Charlie is the best. Hello, Gerald from South
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  Carolina. All right, let me let me explain
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  why Joey Logano is a deserving champion.
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  OK, so Alex Bowman is in the championship, right?
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  And he goes to tech inspection at Charlotte Motor Speedway for
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  the Roval. Now Alex Bowman goes in tech
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  inspection in front of the world.
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  Everybody's watching. There's there's people watching.
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  They can see it. And his car is very light.
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  It's very light. It's more than 17 lbs light.
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  So much that the team decided they could not, you know, appeal
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  it. Rick Hendrick came out later and
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  said we're not going to appeal this because Alex Bowman is
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  light. We messed up.
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  So. So what is NASCAR supposed to
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  do? Are they supposed to lie?
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  I got a lot of friends that say, you know, Joey Logano's got an
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  asterisk. I said you're full of crap.
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  He, this is, there's not an asterisk.
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  Hear me out. Alex Bowman was too light.
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  He he was too light. He did not pass inspection at
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  the Charlotte Rover race. And it was there for the world.
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  We'll see. So.
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  So unfortunately Alex Bowman is out, right?
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  So who who's got to be put in? It's Joey Logano.
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  So Charlie, as far as this, there's an asterisk and Joey
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  Logano doesn't deserve this. Well, then you got to say to
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  yourself, did Alex Bowman deserve?
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  Do you, do you want NASCAR looking the other way and go,
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  oh, So what Alex Bowman's 30 lbs like, because here's that's an
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  easy number to say because they said Charlie, if you remember,
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  they said, well, we give them weight, we give them some burn
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  off and he's still over 17 lbs light.
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  So, you know, listen, I said Alex was over 30 lbs light and
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  nobody argued with me, nobody. So we could not allow NASCAR to
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  turn, turn their head. So that puts Joey Logano in.
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  Now say what you said again about Joey Logano being
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  Showtime. What does he do?
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  What does Joey Logano do? He shows up right.
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  He's he's built for this, he's built for this format.
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  And I think here's here's what I'm seeing on X now.
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  I'm glad you brought up the Bowman thing.
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  Anybody that thinks there's an asterisk, I I think is nuts.
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  But I think there's a healthy debate going on.
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  And I just saw somebody on X post that that Logano's average
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  finish was something like 17 this year and that was the
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  lowest statistical for a champion.
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  So I do think this is the fun of the sport.
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  There is a healthy debate going on right now about should the
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  format allow a Joey Logano to win again.
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  He obviously gets hot at the right time.
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  Penske has it at Phoenix. People on XI think are are
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  wondering, is this what we want? Do we want guys like this to win
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  the championship all the time? It seems like it's happening a
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  lot. OK, so let's let you're a sports
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  guy and we'll have fun with it and fans that we see on the
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  bottom there. Charlie's got all your comments.
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  Charlie, let me let me let me come at you, OK.
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  And I I agree. Amazing race NASCAR shill.
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  Some people say I'm a shill. I just believe that there's too
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  much negativity. There's too much negativity,
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  Charlie. I believe people are depressed.
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  There's a lot of anxiety in life.
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  People talk crazy. They were listen, the 1st 50
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  laps. They were feeling their way out
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  in this race. The 1st 50 laps, I look on X and
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  everybody's losing their mind seeing NASCAR sucks.
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  I'm like, what's wrong with you people there?
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  They were side by side door handle to door handle, wheel to
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  wheel, and then I and then I was trolling everybody.
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  Did you watch that show? I put on X.
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  Oh, it was hilarious. What the reason I won the
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  trolling award, Charlie, is because then they started
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  racing, you know, but but listening, I do have fun on
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  that. OK, but the reason I won the
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  trolling is because they started putting on a race Pat, what the
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  hell you talking about? So he says you are the
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  negativity. You're just pissed, Pat, that I
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  won. So the race started getting
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  really good, right there were door handle, the door handle
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  passing in and out. And so it ended up I ended up
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  winning the trolling because I was right and the race showed
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  up. So let me come back at you with
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  this. Would it have made everybody
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  happy if Kyle Larson would have been installed?
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  So you got got 4/4 that are in. Obviously Kyle Larson said it in
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  his interview after the Martinsville race.
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  Kyle Larson said we just didn't run good.
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  So Kyle Larson, he just, he he failed in the last three races
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  and and he didn't move on just like the NFL or Major League
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  Baseball. Would you have liked to seen the
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  four that we're in get in and then and then put in the win in
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  his driver? Is that what you would like to
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  see? So you're asking me and not Mr.
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  Negativity on the on the on the chat?
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  There no, I'm asking you what would calm everybody down.
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  In other words, I know I know that Kevin Harvick came on happy
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  Harvick and and he said we don't have the four listen, I love
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  Harvick and if Harv's watching this look, I love Harvick.
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  Me and him are good friends. I don't agree with what Kevin
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  said Kevin said the four best cars are not in the playoffs.
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  I'm like, Kevin, that doesn't make sense because my Cardinals
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  won 85 games, won one wild card and won the World Series.
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  How did you got to be lucky to get the best four cars in the
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  playoffs? So what I'm saying to you is
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  what what are we missing here? What can I say this nice to you?
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  What would make some people happy?
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  What? What would it be?
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  Yeah, so, so me personally, I love this format and and I think
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  I'm an interesting person to talk about this because I didn't
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  grow up a hardcore NASCAR fan. Now I am now obviously, and I'm
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  in it 24/7, 365 with you and with this channel.
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  But I do think NASCAR should try to get fans like me, you know,
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  before three years ago, you need to get Charlie Marlowe, a casual
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  sports fan. You know, a guy who loves
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  sports, doesn't necessarily love NASCAR, but wants to watch
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  exciting sports. And I think this format delivers
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  Unbelievable television, unbelievable drama.
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  The cut off races are just fantastic.
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  Every time you watch a cut off race and you see on the left
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  side of that TV screen and you see who's in and who's out and
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  you see it changing with every pass, you see it changing with
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  every every lead change. I think it's absolutely amazing
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  television. It's amazing sports.
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  I I would think it's great for pulling in the casual sports fan
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  that loves this type of drama, but I do think there's, there's
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  something to wanting to incentivize or, or being able to
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  incentivize the best drivers to have a better chance in the
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  playoffs. And NASCAR is not the only sport
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  going through this. Look what happened with
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  baseball. They said for a while, they're
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  still saying, you know, is the, is the buy?
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  Is that a good thing? Is it good for a baseball team
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  to be cold for three days, whatever it is, and then have to
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  play a team that was playing and they get hot?
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  And I watched, I watched Denny Hamlin's media availability
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  yesterday, and I think the way he said it, he said it really
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  well. And I agree with he just wants
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  more races and a larger sample size.
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  So I think the NASCAR format's great, but I do think some
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  tweaks here or there, could you just make a few tweaks that
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  allow the best drivers a better shot?
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  You know, when you get down to three race chunks, if you have a
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  really bad race, you're kind of screwed.
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  So I love the playoff format, but I do think some tweaks here
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  or there can allow for a larger sample size and maybe you'll
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  have more of the better drivers when.
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  I still like the wild cards here and there, but it seems like
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  it's happening a lot lately. How about that?
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  Yeah, OK. And that's and I love it and let
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  let me come back at you because as you were talking, I was
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  thinking, OK, I think one thing that a lot of people and respond
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  right here everybody, I think one thing that people are
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  forgetting about is we seed these drivers.
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  So in other words, if you are a great driver and you are in the
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  final last three races and you're really good like Kyle
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  Larson, he was seated first. He had like a 50 point
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  advantage. I want to repeat that.
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  I don't want I want this edited in.
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  People say they want the better drivers to get in the playoffs.
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  What do you do? You realize how many points Kyle
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  Larson lost? He was seated #1 respond right
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  here. Everybody.
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  This is a big debate. Kyle Larson was seated.
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  He was 50 points ahead of everybody, and he lost all 50
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  points because it didn't go good.
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  I mean, Charlie, I don't want you to agree with me.
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  Do you think people forget about the seating process?
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  Because it's like, OK, you know, we start out with 16 drivers,
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  then we get rid of four, then we get rid of four.
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  And every time, you know, we go into the neck, we go, we go 10
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  races, right? Then we keep going 3.
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  Every time we change, somebody gets way more points because
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  they're good. Do you think?
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  People forgot about that. I do.
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  I do think some small tweaks, for example, OK, the
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  Championship 4, Kenny, do you think it would be that big of a
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  difference if you had, say, a Championship 5:00?
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  What if what if you had an automatic spot?
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  I know this has been talked about if you had an automatic
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  spot for the regular season champ.
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  Now I like that idea. In theory, the argument against
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  that and it would have been Tyler Reddick this year.
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  But. Yeah, he was in.
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  It it would have been Kyle Larson if not for the craziness,
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  obviously with the with the double with the Coke 600.
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  But if, if you just put Kyle Larson in this year, then he has
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  nothing to race for for for 9 weeks, right?
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  So I don't, I don't think it's a perfect answer.
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  And by the way, that's what I think people like about sports.
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  This is a debate people are having on the bar stool right
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  now and I think it's healthy for the sport.
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  I don't know the best option. I'd love to hear from the people
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  in the chat here. But I do think some little
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  tweaks here or there. Like you tell me, you think a
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  Championship 5, would that make it better in your opinion?
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  Charlie, let me just say this. I watched the Kansas City Chiefs
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  go 9 and 0 today because they blocked the field goal and
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  NASCAR chats are nothing. Have you ever you're a
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  sportster, you go on those NFL chats, right?
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  I mean, it's way worse than this.
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  You know, the bottom line is this is the Chiefs time.
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  You know, the listen, A5 and four Denver Broncos team was
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  going to win and they their defensive line on that, on that
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  field goal did not push. You know, the, the, the Chiefs
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  back that they they blocked the field goal and then all of a
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  sudden it's lit up with hysteria.
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  It's lit up where people like the NFL is cheating.
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  I'm like, what they do make make that line run over the some of
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  this stuff is childish. And and I and that's the word.
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  It's childish because I'm just putting it in NFL terms.
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  The NFL is way worse than this. Everybody's like the Chiefs
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  don't deserve to win. I'm like, what did they do?
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  Because the Chiefs were losing and they blocked, you know, the
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  Denver Broncos field goal. But but still people lose their
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  mind and I'm like, I want to slap them around like, you know,
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  stop, stop. You know what I mean?
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  So, you know, I hear you. And so I'm going to answer you
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  right now. I just wanted to say that NFL
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  fans are way worse than this because I saw it.
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  Yeah. So hold on, who's the guy that
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  runs the NFL? What's his name?
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  Rodger Goodell. OK, they think Rodger Goodell
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  made Denver on purpose, Not, you know, like, like Rodger Goodell
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  said, hey, Denver, don't make the feel good.
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  That's how silly fans are. You see what I mean?
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  So like what I just laid out is, yeah.
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  And you're a little late to the game, Kyle.
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  Kyle James, we already we already laid that all out it
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  that's what we started the show with.
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  We started the show with Alex Bowman was a light.
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  He he he he did not pass tech inspection.
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  So what are you supposed to do? He did not pass and let's go
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  back Charlie for a minute. We got some new people arriving.
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  Save your thoughts. All right, everybody, we already
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  broke it down. Welcome to the show.
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  I said 6:00. It is past six.
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  Let's go through this one more time quickly.
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  Alex Bowman was really light on the scales at Charlotte.
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  Real light to where Rick Hendrick said we're not going to
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  appeal because we messed up. We are illegal.
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  Our car's light. What?
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  What? What did you want NASCAR to do?
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  Turn their head? And then there'd be drama where
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  all NASCAR cheated. They'd let Alex Bowman in
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  because they favor Rick. Heather, Alex Bowman was a
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  light. Everybody, what are you going to
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  do? He was light, like real light so
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  much to where Rick said we're not going to feel we messed up.
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  So that put Joey in. Then Joey wins on gas mileage at
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  Vegas and he shows up here. All right, Charlie, now we'll
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  come. We speed up for everybody that
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  because I told her by 6 O clock. All right, I think you're right.
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  I'm going to I'm going to tell you what I think happened here.
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  Christopher Bells, a dirt racer and so is Kyle Larson.
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  I think you got a lot of the dirt racers, their feelings are
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  hurt because Christopher, you know, listen.
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  And NASCAR had to react. You know, there's two things
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  that happened, Charlie, and I want you to respond to this.
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  Two things that happened. Alex Bowman was found light.
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  That puts Logano in. It's like, oh wow, he's lucky.
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  But then he had, then he had to, he had to capitalize on it.
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  So Joey Logano capitalizes on it, wins the very next race #1
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  that's number one. Number two is Chevrolet blocks
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  the whole field at Martinsville. That's not NASCAR's fault.
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  So they penalize them all. And here we are.
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  So, you know, I just really feel like it once again, respond
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  right here without going stupid everybody, because I've already
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  told you your driver gets a big advantage.
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  He's Kyle Larson's my friend, but he was seated.
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  He they gave him 50 points. He was plus 50 and he lost it
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  all. Put Kyle Larson in that way.
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  Kevin Harvick's happy because Kevin said we don't have the
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  best 4 drivers. But I'll I'll say this, if oh,
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  Harv zero, I'm like Harvick, you had the top four drivers in the
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  final 6th. So in other words, Logano wins
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  the race. Blaney is second, Byron's what,
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  4th or 5th? And then and you know, then
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  Reddick. So the final four were were the
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  right cars. So you did have the best cars in
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  you did have the best cars in there.
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  They were how Larson didn't show up today.
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  Steve Bell. So listen, if you wanted to put
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  an end to this argument, there's only one way to put an end to
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  this argument. Christopher Bell and Kyle Larson
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  should have won today. Then you would have ended it.
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  But they didn't. And that and that.
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  That takes everybody's argument and destroys it.
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  Yeah. So here's here's a couple ways I
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  think you could. I don't know if making it more
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  fair is, is the right word, but I, I think clearly you look at
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  the last three years, Penske has figured out Phoenix, right?
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  It went Logano, Blaney, Logano. And I think NASCAR is very
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  smart, as you know, because our home track, Worldwide Technology
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  Raceway is going to be in the playoffs next year.
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  I think I think it's very important that NASCAR switches
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  the playoff races regularly, not just the, the championship.
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  I'll get to that in a second, but all of the races so that
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  teams can't just say, oh, OK, well, all of a sudden, boom,
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  we're really good at Vegas here. We're going to get in there.
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  Boom. Penske's really good at Phoenix.
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  And I think because Penske has won so much at Phoenix and it
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  could be another, it could be another team next year, right?
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  Like it could be all of a sudden Hendrick figures out and they
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  have three straight champs. I think you should rotate the
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  final, the final race every year.
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  And Homestead was awesome. So if you want to go Homestead,
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  Phoenix, if you want to add another race.
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  But I, I do think that would, I don't know if fare is the right
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  word, but if you had that final race alternate, then it wouldn't
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  be all about, hey, for whatever reason, and I give them credit,
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  by the way, I give Penske credit, but they've figured out
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  Phoenix. Isn't it fair to say they have
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  a, they have a huge advantage right now.
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  Now other manufacturers and teams can catch up, but maybe
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  you won't have this if you rotate the final race more.
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  So Charlie, I'm with you. I'm not going to I'm not going
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  to rough you up like Schrader does me.
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  But let's go back to let's go back to Miami homestead.
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  Who was who was the top three? It it was the guys fighting for
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  the championship today. So if let's say we change it
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  back to Miami, which is fine, but hardly anybody shows up
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  there. I've I've raced there a lot.
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  I go down to my homestead a lot. Kim and I go to Key Largo a lot.
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  It's in the middle of nowhere. You got to land in Miami, You
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  got to drive an hour. You know, listen, you would
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  think everybody would show up at Miami Homestead because it's a
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  vacation destination. But it is so difficult to get
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  into Miami and then go to that racetrack and I'm like, Oh my
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  God, OK. Blaney was leaving Miami
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  Homestead and got passed on the outside by Reddick coming to the
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  checkered flag. So although I agree with you,
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  I'm like, OK. And you know, it's going to be
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  really interesting tomorrow, which you're going to edit it up
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  and it's going to air on Wednesday.
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  Kenny Schrader does not put up with this stuff.
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  He is really good. Like Schrader's not on social
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  media because he thinks all this is so silly.
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  Like me. I just, I have fun with the
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  fans. Schrader's, like I said, Kenny,
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  remember we did it. And I said, Schrader, the fans
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  want us to take and leave, leave Venus and go to Miami.
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  Schrader goes, Have you seen the finishes at Phoenix?
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  And like, you're right. So sometimes I just think it's
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  like the NFL people just talk to talk.
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  But yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to meet you halfway.
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  And I'm going to say that it was those two things that that
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  really got things jacked up. Alex Bone was light, so light
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  that NASCAR couldn't turn their head.
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  That was number one. And #2 Chevrolet screwed
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  everything up up at up at Martinsville.
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  It was Chevrolet's fault. It was all, all of this was
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  Chevrolet's fault. And and it's got a lot of the
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  fans upset with the ending. It is my opinion.
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  OK, let me ask you this then. I think I know 2 answers if if
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  you just had to ask it like this.
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  If if you go by who had the best season in NASCAR?
• 21:27
  Who do you think the four drivers should have been?
• 21:29
  If we just said who do you think had the best season and those
• 21:32
  four drivers should be in the championship, it's obviously
• 21:34
  Larson and Reddick. Who would be the other two?
• 21:38
  Hamlin. Christopher.
• 21:39
  Bell, Christopher Bell and Hamlin.
• 21:41
  OK. OK, put them in.
• 21:43
  So, but here's here's where I think the people complaining
• 21:47
  have a legitimate gripe is we just mentioned 4 drivers and
• 21:52
  only one got into the championship for although you
• 21:56
  can certainly make the case that Siebel was was screwed, he
• 21:58
  certainly made that case yesterday when he said very
• 22:01
  clearly, I feel cheated. He said straight up race fixing,
• 22:05
  race manipulation. So I think people are always
• 22:08
  going to bitch. And by the way, I watched that
• 22:10
  NASCAR State of the Sport and it was either Steve Phelps or Steve
• 22:13
  O'Donnell. They said this and I agreed with
• 22:14
  them. They're like, what sport doesn't
• 22:17
  have officiating issues? You know, I think sometimes
• 22:21
  we're so in it. We're so focused on NASCAR and
• 22:24
  you do a great job. People always want to RIP on
• 22:26
  NASCAR. They always, always RIP on the
• 22:28
  merciful. NASCAR sucks.
• 22:31
  They're always wrong. Every sport has umpire mistakes.
• 22:37
  Remember, remember a couple years ago when the Rams got in
• 22:40
  the the the Super Bowl with that crazy no call against the
• 22:45
  Saints? I mean, NBA, every big time
• 22:49
  sport has officiating problems. So NASCAR is no different there.
• 22:53
  I do think there are a lot of fans they always want to crap on
• 22:55
  NASCAR. But but I do think there's
• 22:58
  something to NASCAR needs to find a way in my opinion, to get
• 23:03
  more of the more deserving drivers for the whole year into
• 23:08
  the final four. I think they need to try to
• 23:10
  tweak the system just to make it so those guys have a little
• 23:14
  better shot. I don't know what that is.
• 23:16
  I mean, you tell me, but I think they can tweak it here and
• 23:18
  there. Let let me pull a Kenny Schrader
• 23:20
  here. Let me D bullshit this all
• 23:23
  right? And this is not about you, but
• 23:24
  I'm glad you served it up on a platter to me.
• 23:26
  That is your job. Because you're speaking, you're
• 23:29
  speaking for the fans, and I love the fans.
• 23:31
  I need them. But what you're saying is so
• 23:34
  wrong because all the drivers were in the playoffs.
• 23:40
  All. Don't argue back with me.
• 23:41
  Hold on. What you just said is what they
• 23:45
  did. We had 16 drivers in the
• 23:49
  playoffs and the best, the best, we're given a lot of extra
• 23:54
  points. It's like, who's the champion?
• 23:57
  Reddick? We'll give him 50 more points
• 24:00
  and then give this guy down here nothing.
• 24:02
  And then the guy that got no points won a race and Reddick is
• 24:07
  in the championship. What do you do about that?
• 24:11
  Reddick wasn't even. He won the damn race at Miami.
• 24:16
  So he gets in because he won the damn race.
• 24:19
  So I hear you loud and clear. The people, they have selective
• 24:26
  memories. We to answer Harvick.
• 24:30
  Harvick, listen to this edit this speech right here.
• 24:32
  I'm going to say this to Harvick.
• 24:34
  Kevin Harvick, you are my hero and you are much better man than
• 24:38
  I am at driving a race car. But I want to answer your
• 24:41
  question. You said we don't have the right
• 24:44
  drivers in the in the final four, but we started out the
• 24:48
  final sixteen with the best. We started out the 16, we
• 24:54
  started out the playoffs with the best and we even seeded
• 24:58
  them. We we gave Reddick, we gave Kyle
• 25:01
  Larson these big seating. They seeded 1, so they got like
• 25:05
  50 more points than the guy down here.
• 25:09
  We did that. And the two things that rude it
• 25:12
  all was Alex Bowman ends up being super light at Charlotte
• 25:18
  so much to where Rick Hendrick, Mr. Mr. H could not.
• 25:23
  He said we're not going to peel it because we messed up number
• 25:25
  one. Then we go to, we go to
• 25:29
  Martinsville and we got Chevrolet blocking the whole
• 25:33
  damn field up. As they say, you know, everybody
• 25:37
  agrees with that. So as far as everybody saying
• 25:39
  we, we don't have the best 4 drivers in, we had all the
• 25:43
  drivers in, we had them all in and then they went three races
• 25:47
  and they helped in the NFL, they get one game, one game, one
• 25:53
  game. So I don't, I don't understand
• 25:57
  it. I think the, and let me tell
• 25:59
  you, I can't wait to hear Schrader.
• 26:00
  Schrader's the one that taught me all this.
• 26:02
  He's like Herman, it's a hell of a show.
• 26:06
  Mark Martin on Kenny conversation.
• 26:09
  I mean, you can insert the clip right here.
• 26:12
  Mark Martin said Herman, this is the best I've ever seen NASCAR
• 26:15
  racing in my life. I don't like the car.
• 26:19
  Everybody agrees it's the greatest racing we've ever seen.
• 26:23
  And what's crazy is people are listen to this.
• 26:27
  I'm going to turn around this, OK?
• 26:30
  People are saying that race at Phoenix was no good.
• 26:33
  I'm like, what do you want me to act like I don't see this race?
• 26:38
  People are trying to tell me the race in Phoenix was no good.
• 26:41
  They're crazy. I mean, they're they're crazy
• 26:43
  and real. It was an insane race.
• 26:47
  So the fans are mad that their driver didn't get in.
• 26:50
  They're all over social media. They're they're trolling me, but
• 26:53
  I troll them back and I end up winning.
• 26:56
  It's like Herman, that's not a good race.
• 26:58
  I'm like, OK, they're side by side for the lead.
• 27:00
  It's not a good race. So they're crazy.
• 27:05
  OK, I'm I'm not buying it. So let let me again speak for
• 27:08
  the fan because I think this is what they're saying.
• 27:11
  And I agree with a lot of people that are saying things like
• 27:14
  this. If you go back and there's
• 27:16
  always the people that say we need to go back to the Winston
• 27:17
  Cup points, but there will be people that will say, you know,
• 27:20
  Jimmie Johnson was great. He was unbelievable.
• 27:24
  But should he have 7 championships?
• 27:26
  Those same people will say Kevin Harvick.
• 27:29
  How the hell does Kevin Harvick, who you mentioned, only have one
• 27:32
  championship? Does that make sense?
• 27:35
  And now and now they'll say Joey Logano, great, great driver,
• 27:40
  Hall of Fame driver. I don't think anybody disagrees
• 27:43
  with that. But 3 championships at this
• 27:45
  point, I think because we like to argue about sports, who's the
• 27:49
  best? You like to compare people from
• 27:51
  different eras. I do think, although I love
• 27:54
  this, this playoff format for excitement, I do think you're
• 27:59
  you're starting to have some drivers who have probably more
• 28:02
  championships than they should, in my opinion.
• 28:03
  And some guys who are really, really good.
• 28:05
  I'm not going to go back to the whole lucky horseshoe thing.
• 28:08
  But like, look, it's the playoffs.
• 28:10
  I get it. But it seems like there's a lot
• 28:12
  of drivers that deserve more championships and there's a few
• 28:15
  that that that have more because they're really, really good in
• 28:18
  the playoffs. And I think Logano is kind of
• 28:21
  becoming the post, the poster child for that.
• 28:23
  And listen, we went and you bring up a good point.
• 28:26
  I'm going through X right now. You know, of course, the people
• 28:30
  that listen, the race was standing room only.
• 28:33
  I had I had a very important person.
• 28:36
  And I'll tell you after the show in the grandstands, he said,
• 28:38
  Herman, they sold 5500 camping sites count to that 5500 camping
• 28:50
  sites. And for the grandstands they
• 28:53
  have it was it was packed. And he sent me pictures and I
• 28:58
  put the pictures on X the fans that the fans that are are
• 29:04
  negative. They Yeah.
• 29:06
  And and and Joe's right right here.
• 29:09
  Joe, Jeff Gordon should have won seven.
• 29:12
  Jimmy Johnson. And this is the argument that
• 29:14
  you were talking to. No, nobody should ever win the
• 29:18
  championships. I mean, I'm serious, right?
• 29:21
  Jeff Gordon should have won seven, but they changed the
• 29:24
  format. You know the reason they changed
• 29:25
  the format, Charlie, you're kind of new to racing.
• 29:28
  The reason they changed the format is it was Matt Kenseth
• 29:32
  wrapped up the championship with two races to go.
• 29:37
  You know that, right? Yeah.
• 29:39
  They said we. I mean, you talk, you talk about
• 29:43
  this, there was an upheaval and people like, we don't like
• 29:47
  gimmets. These are the people that are
• 29:49
  just upset. They're old, they're depressed.
• 29:53
  And I just call it the way I see it.
• 29:55
  You can easily get bitter when you get old.
• 29:57
  And I miss, we miss Earnhardt. I miss, I miss the number three.
• 30:02
  But be happy you're alive. Dale Junior's happy.
• 30:07
  I mean, it's just it's it's it is a societal shift in life
• 30:11
  right now. You know what I mean?
• 30:15
  It is a societal shift. People are crazy nowadays.
• 30:19
  They're they're, they're in another world and it's not the
• 30:21
  right world. And I will never apologize
• 30:24
  because because I'm thinking right and they're just upset.
• 30:27
  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not trying to blow this system up.
• 30:31
  And even even the Steves said this the other day, they said,
• 30:34
  look, folks, if you're complaining about the playoffs,
• 30:36
  the playoffs, they ain't going anywhere.
• 30:39
  But but of course we can tweak them and and they should and I'm
• 30:41
  sure they will. I just I think about the NCAA
• 30:44
  tournament and basketball. That's the one to me that rarely
• 30:49
  ever does anybody question that champion.
• 30:52
  Now, of course, you can have a team get hot, but why do they
• 30:54
  not question that champion? Because they got to win freaking
• 30:57
  six straight games, three straight weekends.
• 31:00
  You know, I just think I think it's fair for NASCAR to to look
• 31:05
  at every possible way because look, you want the debate from
• 31:10
  fans, but I think the fans are on to something here.
• 31:13
  I, I, I think you, you don't, you don't want your champions to
• 31:18
  always be questioned like this, right, right.
• 31:21
  Some, some debate is good. But year in, year out, I don't
• 31:25
  think you want your hardcore fans to say, oh, this format is
• 31:28
  a sham. So what do you, what do you do?
• 31:31
  So what? What's OK?
• 31:32
  Look, look here, I'm going to give you one thing to do.
• 31:35
  You don't get to you don't get to change at all.
• 31:37
  Everybody OK? Because we already went through
• 31:40
  this with Jimmie Johnson. If we did, if this would have
• 31:44
  been the old format, Jeff Gordon would have won seven.
• 31:48
  You don't get to do that. We're not going back, everybody.
• 31:51
  Because like Chocolate Meyer said on SiriusXM, let me tell
• 31:54
  you about the good old days. There was three cars on the lead
• 31:57
  lap at the end of the race. OK, what is the one thing you
• 32:02
  all want changed, everybody? Is it?
• 32:04
  Is it you want Kyle Larson in just because?
• 32:07
  Is it a fan vote? Do you want your favorite driver
• 32:10
  in? What is it you want?
• 32:13
  What's the one thing you want? Whatever right now, NASCAR's got
• 32:19
  it going on. That race was incredible.
• 32:22
  Joey Logano showed up. The best drivers enter the top
• 32:26
  16 in the playoffs. They get they get seated, they
• 32:29
  get way more points than everybody else.
• 32:32
  And they have they have rough the last three playoffs and the
• 32:35
  fans are hurt. They're like Kyle Larson should
• 32:38
  be in. And here's Kyle Larson in the
• 32:40
  interview at Martinsville going. We just didn't run good enough.
• 32:45
  So you see what I'm saying? Everybody's speaking out of both
• 32:47
  sides of her mouth. You got the fans going.
• 32:50
  The best drivers not in. I'm like, but he was in the
• 32:53
  playoffs. OK, What's this guy say?
• 32:56
  Well, first of all, thank you, Matthew Brown for that super
• 32:59
  thanks, he says. I'm 28 years old and I've
• 33:01
  watched all of racing grown up. If a driver wins the
• 33:04
  championship with two races left, then he was just better.
• 33:07
  Most points win. That's his.
• 33:10
  That's his take. Well, Joey Logano won.
• 33:14
  Yeah, I think he was responding to your Kenseth.
• 33:17
  Your Kenseth. Oh, yeah, buddy.
• 33:20
  Matt, come on. You are young.
• 33:23
  I'll take you back in the day. Matt Kenseth won with two races
• 33:28
  to go. And I hear you.
• 33:31
  I hear you. It was so bad that they had to
• 33:35
  do something. They wanted a playoff system.
• 33:38
  And you know, it was like Rusty Wallace won 10 races.
• 33:44
  And that was the argument. Rusty Wallace won 10 races in
• 33:48
  one year and didn't win the championship.
• 33:51
  The win, here we go again. The winningest driver didn't win
• 33:55
  the championship, but a guy that just stroked it out all year
• 33:59
  long won. You see what I'm saying?
• 34:01
  You, you got to remind people, Charlie.
• 34:06
  How about Jaybon here? We've had a couple of people
• 34:07
  suggest this. Change it so that the playoffs
• 34:10
  in each round of eliminations are done based on best average
• 34:13
  finish. I'm guessing that's for for each
• 34:16
  three race chunk. How do you do that?
• 34:19
  How do you, I mean average finish.
• 34:22
  I mean I, I get you and I respect you.
• 34:25
  I respect you. How do you do that?
• 34:28
  I mean, it's like going, ladies and gentlemen, Albert Poles is
• 34:32
  batting 298 right now. If he gets a 300, he wins the
• 34:36
  World Series. I mean, how do you do that?
• 34:39
  How do you average finish? Well, then that means it got I
• 34:43
  mean, you could, I mean, remember what happened years
• 34:46
  ago. Let me remind everybody, here's
• 34:48
  what happened. They said the drivers are just
• 34:51
  making laps. Thank you NASCAR Shield, they
• 34:56
  said, and that was funny. He he he the shill is trolling
• 35:04
  us now. But but you gave me two gave us
• 35:06
  $2.00. So me and Charlie split it up
• 35:09
  here. Here's what happened.
• 35:11
  Everybody, everybody was mad because everybody was going hey,
• 35:16
  it was a good point. Stay.
• 35:17
  We stayed out of trouble. We run third.
• 35:20
  Everybody started getting pissed.
• 35:22
  They said we want them to go for the win, we want them to go for
• 35:25
  the win. And everybody for 10 years was
• 35:28
  going nuts. Matt Kenseth, Terry Labonte won
• 35:32
  one or two races in the whole year and won the whole
• 35:35
  championship and, and the and the cry was they don't even try
• 35:40
  to win. Rusty Wallace won 10 races but
• 35:43
  had a lot of bad races. Now we we give everybody what
• 35:46
  they want. If you win, you're in.
• 35:51
  So now what everybody's saying is no, we don't want the winners
• 35:54
  in. We want people that have run
• 35:55
  good all year. So it's it, it's a crazy people
• 36:00
  forget what they say, let's put it that way.
• 36:02
  Yeah, I don't, I don't know what the solution is.
• 36:05
  Now, is this crazy to to think about?
• 36:07
  What if each year you could have more than four drivers in the
• 36:13
  championship? Like it didn't have to be a set
• 36:15
  number. You could have stipulations, for
• 36:19
  example, what if you did this? What if, what if the the 8
• 36:24
  drivers you get down to 8 in the playoffs?
• 36:27
  And what if there was? I think this is what Denny
• 36:28
  Hamlin was saying. What if there was a larger
• 36:31
  sample size for those guys to have a chance to crack the top
• 36:36
  four? I think the argument from Denny
• 36:38
  Hamlin, which was very smart, was, you know, if you have that
• 36:41
  one terrible, terrible race and by the way, it might not be your
• 36:46
  fault. This is what he said.
• 36:47
  NASCAR is different than other sports.
• 36:50
  You could be running great, but somebody else screws up your
• 36:54
  day. It's not even your fault if you
• 36:56
  get wrecked, if you get caught up in a wreck, all of a sudden
• 36:59
  if that happens, the first race of the three, you're behind the
• 37:03
  8 ball and you have to win one of the next two.
• 37:06
  I think Denny was just asking for a larger sample size.
• 37:09
  Maybe it's four races, maybe it's 5 races, but it does seem
• 37:13
  like with the three race chunk, if you have that one bad, bad
• 37:18
  Sunday, you're screwed. I hear you.
• 37:21
  OK, Do it. What's this guy say?
• 37:26
  Roy Music Junior says love you Kenny.
• 37:28
  I'm 38 and have been watching Cup racing since 92.
• 37:31
  We have to find a way to reward consistency and keep winning.
• 37:36
  Important. So both.
• 37:38
  He wants both. So how would you do that?
• 37:41
  Because consistency, OK, you get 3 races and if you're consistent
• 37:48
  and you win, you're in. I, I think this is a moot point.
• 37:54
  So, you know, you get 3 races, 3 races, a lot of races.
• 38:00
  That's a lot of racing. Three weeks.
• 38:03
  That's a month almost. I mean, we're shot.
• 38:06
  We're seven days shy of a month. So we race for a month, 3 races.
• 38:11
  And these things are 4 and 500 laps long.
• 38:15
  Well, listen, let let's update everybody for everybody joining.
• 38:18
  Joey Logano was the deserving champion because Alex Bowman was
• 38:23
  light at the Charlotte Robo. NASCAR couldn't turn their head.
• 38:28
  Rick Hendrick said, my God, we're so light that we're not
• 38:31
  going to feel it. We messed up.
• 38:34
  That's what Rick Hendrick said. Everybody's looking at the
• 38:38
  scales. All the the teams gathered
• 38:39
  around, even the team went, oh God, what'd we do wrong?
• 38:43
  So, so they, they, they couldn't turn their head.
• 38:46
  He was light. Alex Bowman was light too light,
• 38:50
  way light. Like they gave him some lead,
• 38:52
  but he's still light. Then he said, fill it full of
• 38:55
  fuel, fill it up with oil. I mean, a joke would be this.
• 39:00
  There was oil coming out of the motor because they even NASCAR
• 39:03
  said we didn't want him to be light.
• 39:05
  We give them every advantage. Give them advantage.
• 39:10
  So that put Joey Logano in and then, you know, once again, this
• 39:14
  is the third time we're repeating this, Charlie, But we
• 39:16
  got new viewers. So, you know, Joey Logano wins
• 39:20
  Vegas, you know, then he wins this race.
• 39:25
  You know, I just don't know what NASCAR could have done.
• 39:33
  I mean, this is, I mean, in reality, let's have a little fun
• 39:35
  with this. This is all Alex Boatman's
• 39:38
  fault, right? Not him.
• 39:40
  But hold on. Was the complete playoff system?
• 39:45
  Was it Alex Bowman's team's fault?
• 39:48
  Was it? Respond here.
• 39:50
  See, was it, I don't think that's just the people's gripe
• 39:54
  though. I think the Bowman thing, people
• 39:55
  are bringing it up, but I've seen a lot of people now we
• 39:57
  just, we've been on for 40 minutes, but a lot of people
• 39:59
  were talking about Joey Logano's average finish this year.
• 40:03
  So I think it's not just Bowman. They're they're basically saying
• 40:06
  that Joey Logano for the whole year.
• 40:09
  Was not a deserving champ, but there was in their opinion.
• 40:12
  But hold on, everybody, let me do a Kenny Schrader here.
• 40:16
  Let's say he was not deserving, but there he he's top 16
• 40:21
  deserving. Come on now, for sure, he was
• 40:24
  top 16 deserving. OK, I'm going to I'm going to
• 40:28
  beat my own ass right now. Hey, Wallace Lagana was no good.
• 40:32
  He didn't deserve to win the championship.
• 40:35
  His average was horrible. Was his average top 16?
• 40:40
  Yes. Was he in the top 16?
• 40:43
  Yes. How did he win the championship?
• 40:46
  He got better as the races went on, just like your football team
• 40:51
  or your baseball team does. He peaked at the right time.
• 40:54
  OK, so you say, oh, what? Now let's let's move it from
• 40:57
  Phoenix because it favored. So now we're going to move a
• 40:59
  whole damn event because Rodger Penske's cars run good.
• 41:04
  But hold on. But that's not, but that's not
• 41:07
  really the argument like Kevin Hardwick has been making this
• 41:10
  argument for years about to freshen up NASCAR.
• 41:14
  Everything should be on a rotational basis, right?
• 41:17
  The playoffs, the final race. I mean, he's a big proponent of
• 41:21
  moving to different tracks. And you got Saint Louis now and
• 41:24
  they're going to Mexico and you have the Chicago St. course
• 41:26
  race. So I do think there's something
• 41:28
  to that. And and by the way, I totally
• 41:30
  get it. Penske, Penske right now, they
• 41:33
  just have it at Phoenix and and next year it could be, it could
• 41:37
  be Joe Gibbs has it or Hendrick has it.
• 41:39
  But I do think rotating the final Phoenix is great.
• 41:43
  Don't get me wrong. I don't, I don't want to throw
• 41:44
  out Phoenix. I hear.
• 41:45
  I think having like a three track rotation, I do think you
• 41:50
  would have probably less of of of what we've had the last three
• 41:54
  years where clearly one team just has the setup nutted for
• 41:59
  Phoenix. OK, so I hear you loud and clear
• 42:02
  on that. You're you're saying when we get
• 42:04
  down to the final four, OK, so our final four was Joey Logano,
• 42:11
  William Byron, Reddick and Blaney.
• 42:16
  You want those four with three tracks and then you determine
• 42:21
  the champion. Blake Harris fault and Byron
• 42:25
  chokes again. Sad day for Hendrick.
• 42:28
  Well, OK, Jason, you know, I know Blake Harrison is a good
• 42:32
  crew chief And and, and Blake doesn't tell them.
• 42:37
  I mean, you, you got Blake Harris or crew chief, then you
• 42:40
  have a car chief. Somebody in the line of command
• 42:43
  messed up. I know Blake really well.
• 42:46
  That's Caitlin, Vincey's husband.
• 42:49
  So I'm going to I'm going to defend this one because that hit
• 42:51
  a nerve. But you're right, he's right.
• 42:55
  But let me just tell you the way it works when I raced the
• 42:57
  NASCAR, it's the same to this day.
• 43:00
  You have a crew chief. Crew chief here.
• 43:03
  I'm going to take a piece of paper.
• 43:04
  Here's what the crew chief does. He writes down everything.
• 43:07
  He hands it to the card chief, and then the card chief goes out
• 43:11
  to the Indians and they do all the work somewhere.
• 43:17
  They didn't get the car heavy enough.
• 43:19
  OK, but OK, well, let's back up. I like what you said.
• 43:25
  OK, let's change that now. After 50 minutes of talking,
• 43:30
  respond right here, everybody. Do we agree on that?
• 43:32
  We started with 16 drivers. We whittled it down.
• 43:37
  Do you want those four? Like Charlie Marlo said it and I
• 43:40
  agree with you CC good job. I never thought of that.
• 43:45
  The final four drivers run three different weeks.
• 43:50
  So and, and how do you do it? How do you do it?
• 43:54
  Do you, do you back the playoffs up three weeks before it
• 43:58
  started? You know, it's like a clock.
• 44:00
  Do you back it up? And then, you know, I mean, it's
• 44:03
  kind of hard to tell the city of Phoenix we're not coming here.
• 44:07
  I mean, she guess you could. Oh, so wait, what I mean is
• 44:11
  like, because we're talking about other sports.
• 44:13
  What I'm saying, No, I'm, I'm saying with you, the final four,
• 44:16
  those drivers, let me say it explicitly, you got the final
• 44:21
  four drivers, they go to three different race tracks.
• 44:25
  And on the third race that you said you wanted a bigger sample
• 44:28
  size, you don't want one race. So Phoenix just determined the
• 44:32
  championship, right? You would like 3 different
• 44:35
  tracks to determine the champion.
• 44:37
  Okay, two things. First thing, I think like Super
• 44:40
  Bowls are at different sites each year and that's announced
• 44:43
  in advance. If you, if you gave me let's say
• 44:45
  Phoenix Homestead and pick another good track that you have
• 44:50
  good weather in November and do it on a rotational basis.
• 44:54
  Vegas Vegas for hell of a race. Let's just say that just for
• 44:58
  this, for this argument, let's say that.
• 45:00
  But I think what Denny Hamlin was saying is let's just let's
• 45:04
  keep it a championship for for the sake of this argument.
• 45:07
  Absolutely. We're keeping it four.
• 45:09
  We're not going to five. Everybody else got 6 whatever
• 45:12
  for, for the sake of this argument, I think Denny Hamlin
• 45:16
  was asking for maybe, maybe it needs to be 4 races or five
• 45:21
  races that you compiled either the wins, whatever it is, or the
• 45:25
  finishes to get to the Final four.
• 45:28
  And then year in, year out, you'd probably have more drivers
• 45:33
  that are more deserving for the regular season.
• 45:35
  I still think, look, the fun of the playoffs is the
• 45:39
  Cinderella's, like you want the Cinderella drivers to have a
• 45:42
  shot and that can be a great storyline.
• 45:44
  Joey Logano was the Cinderella. 100%, But I feel like, I feel
• 45:51
  like you don't want it to happen as much as it's happening in
• 45:53
  NASCAR. I think that's what the fans are
• 45:55
  asking for. Well, I hear you.
• 45:58
  I hear you loud and clear. I'm not going to.
• 46:00
  I'm not going to argue with you. We're going to carry on this
• 46:03
  conversation tomorrow on the Herman Schrader Show.
• 46:07
  Herman, Schrader, Herm and Schrader on The Dirty MO media
• 46:13
  platform from Mid America in St. Louis, MO starts tomorrow and
• 46:19
  then Charlie will edit it up. And Charlie when?
• 46:22
  When do you put it out on Dirty MO?
• 46:25
  OK, so I I believe that dirty MO for the podcast, they want it to
• 46:31
  be released. Since we're taping tomorrow,
• 46:33
  we'll have a couple days to edit.
• 46:35
  I think they're going to release it at 5:00 AM Wednesday, and I'm
• 46:39
  guessing that's 5:00 AM, not central time.
• 46:42
  I'm guessing that's 5:00 AM Eastern.
• 46:44
  And then we can put it on YouTube essentially at the same
• 46:46
  time. Yeah, and Kenny Schrader is
• 46:50
  extremely smart. And what's Matthew say here?
• 46:53
  It's a new one. Matthew Brown, I'm not going to
• 46:55
  complain about Joey winning. We finally have somebody with
• 46:58
  more than one or two championships in this football
• 47:02
  era that NASCAR feels like it needs to be.
• 47:05
  Is that what they want? Does NASCAR want?
• 47:07
  Do they want a dynasty? Is Joey Logano have his own
• 47:09
  little dynasty? What what what happened here was
• 47:14
  there was there was a most of the fan base, one of the playoff
• 47:22
  atmosphere. OK, now you still got you.
• 47:26
  You still got my older people. I'm 61.
• 47:29
  You see, Charlie, most of the people do this complaining are
• 47:32
  the older people. I mean, OK, so the majority of
• 47:38
  the people wanted a playoff system so you wouldn't have one
• 47:42
  driver getting in by stroking you.
• 47:45
  You, the people did not want a champion of a guy that won one
• 47:49
  race a year because Rusty Wallace won 10 races one time.
• 47:54
  Rusty Wallace won 10 races and and didn't win the championship.
• 47:58
  A guy that won one race or two races won the championship.
• 48:01
  The fans were all up in arms. The the Winston Cup drivers back
• 48:06
  in the day, they just riding. They just riding.
• 48:08
  They're not trying. And that's where this playoff
• 48:11
  system came from. That's where the stages come
• 48:14
  from because if you win the stage, you get 10 points.
• 48:18
  And, and, and when we started this top 16 in the playoffs,
• 48:22
  that's why the guy seated first had 50 more points or 80 more
• 48:27
  points than the guy in 16. So we give everybody what they
• 48:33
  asked for, but they still upset. What's that saying?
• 48:38
  Both hearted. When do you think they'll have a
• 48:39
  halftime show with Tony and the tailpipe signing?
• 48:42
  You exhaust me. I I actually didn't even mean to
• 48:45
  put that way. It's OK, It's funny.
• 48:47
  Well. Here's what's funny.
• 48:48
  He he, he's making fun of NFL, right?
• 48:51
  He's he's he. We're saying that.
• 48:54
  So you know, it. It's a here, I'm going to I'm
• 48:57
  going to joke with you. That's what the stages do.
• 49:00
  At the end of the first first stage hoof, you get up, you go
• 49:04
  pee and go get your beer, OK? Yeah, I meant to put this one up
• 49:08
  here, which is X dude, 2X says determine the champion by a 5K
• 49:13
  Walker run. We'll have the drivers just do a
• 49:16
  do a 5K race. Charlie, I think we've wore
• 49:18
  everybody down. I think what it is, we reminded
• 49:20
  people, they forgot that there were 16 people in the playoffs.
• 49:24
  They forgot that Kyle Larson had a 50 point advantage.
• 49:29
  They forgot all that. It's like, it's like if whatever
• 49:33
  anybody complaints about, we can answer and I think that upsets
• 49:36
  them. So you want you want to wrap up
• 49:40
  around an hour? I have some other topics.
• 49:41
  About some. What's that?
• 49:42
  Go ahead. OK, Yeah, yeah, we're done with
• 49:45
  that far away. Let's do let's do quasi rapid
• 49:48
  fire. I don't want you to, you know,
• 49:50
  think like you have to talk for only 10 seconds.
• 49:52
  But I think some interesting topics.
• 49:53
  How about from today, Denny Hamlin and FedEx.
• 49:57
  We, we, we heard this may happen, but no more FedEx for
• 50:01
  Denny Hamlin. That's an iconic scheme.
• 50:04
  So the, the fans are going to go see NASCAR's failing.
• 50:07
  But the bottom line is, is like M&M's and FedEx, they've been in
• 50:11
  NASCAR forever. They're, they're, they're just
• 50:13
  done. They did it, you know, so
• 50:17
  thankful that FedEx was here, what, 1520 years as a as a main
• 50:22
  sponsor. OK, so they're gone because
• 50:25
  they've exhausted their sponsorship.
• 50:28
  They say, OK, we've done NASCAR long enough and they're leaving.
• 50:33
  OK, how about your guy last night?
• 50:36
  Awesome scene. Justin Allgire, 14 chances and
• 50:40
  he and he finally wins one. Here's what's bigger about
• 50:43
  Justin Allgire winning is He wrecked his main car in
• 50:46
  practice. There was fluid on the track in
• 50:50
  practice. They all went flying into the
• 50:52
  wall and they I think they went to the backup or they repaired
• 50:56
  it, whatever. That's how good that team is.
• 51:00
  Just think about it. Justin Agar starts to race in a
• 51:03
  totally, you know, repaired, backed up car.
• 51:07
  And when it came Showtime, you know, and I told Schrader,
• 51:11
  Schrader got mad at me today. I said, yeah.
• 51:13
  I said I don't know about that call.
• 51:15
  And Schrader's like, no, he pulled out.
• 51:17
  That's the rules. I'm like, oh, calm down South
• 51:20
  Justin. You know, back-to-back Corey
• 51:23
  Heim did the same thing in the truck race.
• 51:25
  So my bottom line is Corey Heim in the truck race pulled out.
• 51:30
  That cost him his championship and he was slower at the end.
• 51:34
  You know, Tom Majeski was the right champion because he was
• 51:37
  2/10 faster than Corey Heim. But last night for the for the
• 51:41
  Xfinity race, even though Justin Agar messes up, you're not
• 51:45
  allowed to pull out a line before the start finish line.
• 51:48
  Then he gets a speeding penalty when he comes in to do the pass
• 51:52
  through. So now he's almost two laps
• 51:54
  down. Charlie Justin Agar come
• 51:56
  unlapped himself almost two times with the help of
• 51:59
  precaution, but still lined up behind all of them.
• 52:02
  And he went past Cole Custer and Austin Hill, and he won the
• 52:06
  race. Congratulations.
• 52:08
  Justin Algar, 100 miles up the road here.
• 52:10
  Springfield, IL. And you mentioned Time Majeski
• 52:13
  winning the Trucks championship. How about just some thoughts on
• 52:17
  Martin Truex Junior and his career?
• 52:19
  I think we're going to see him again in some capacity, but
• 52:22
  obviously retiring as a full time driver.
• 52:24
  I got mixed feelings here. I really like Martin, but it
• 52:30
  just seems like sometimes he just, he don't want to be there.
• 52:33
  You know what I mean? He and that's why he's retiring.
• 52:37
  Everybody agrees he's a champion 1 great race car driver.
• 52:42
  But I think it's time for Martin and I say that with love and
• 52:46
  compassion there. He's still he said QuickTime.
• 52:50
  He started on the front row pole.
• 52:52
  You know what I mean? But it's like here's like
• 52:55
  brother Rusty said, he said, Herm, I got tired of living
• 53:00
  inside that circle comes a point where you get to be of age and
• 53:05
  listen, it it looks like 2311, you know, as of right now, it
• 53:11
  could change. But it looks like Denny Hamlin
• 53:14
  said we are going to field Martin Truex a car for the
• 53:18
  Daytona 500 next year. I think Martin Truex is tired of
• 53:22
  living in this motorhome inside that racetrack.
• 53:26
  I think he's just tired. But what a great career.
• 53:29
  And you don't have to be rapid on this one.
• 53:32
  How about just some thoughts on the the late, great Bobby
• 53:34
  Allison? And how about at the end of his
• 53:36
  life, when he was, when he was still alive, getting that 85th
• 53:40
  win? Yeah, listen, I got to tell the
• 53:46
  truth. Bobby Allison was so close to
• 53:51
  our family, it was ridiculous. Here's why we threw a newspaper
• 53:57
  route here up in Creve Coeur, up where we did the podcast and it
• 54:01
  was called the The Community Press right there, right there
• 54:04
  in Creve Coe, up here in Saint Louis.
• 54:06
  We threw a newspaper out and we passed this house that had this
• 54:10
  Sears Penske van and it ended up being Rodger 1 of Rodger
• 54:14
  Penske's main guys, Don Miller, right.
• 54:19
  So Don Miller introduces our family to Rodger Penske.
• 54:24
  Well Bobby Allison and Rodger Penske were like that so our
• 54:29
  obsession with Bobby Allison was real.
• 54:33
  We worship Bobby Allison Bobby Allison help Rusty Wallace so
• 54:38
  much it was unbelievable from Bobby Allison used to run used
• 54:42
  to be the promoter at at at Birmingham AL and would send us
• 54:47
  tires used tires but here Rusty here's some tires.
• 54:51
  I'm going to help you Rusty's help Bobby Allison in such
• 54:55
  tremendous ways and and I I'm done bragging about how close we
• 55:01
  are to Bobby. But I'm not bragging.
• 55:03
  I just want to let you know the good that Bobby did now Bobby
• 55:08
  got roughed up later in life. It was a devastating blow.
• 55:12
  It was like the Kennedy family. You know, you know all the
• 55:16
  Kennedys end up getting killed, right?
• 55:18
  Bobby Kennedy, JFK, then then the sun gets killed in a plane
• 55:24
  wreck. This is what happened to Bobby
• 55:26
  Allison. It was a devastating blow.
• 55:28
  Clifford gets killed up and turns 3 and 4 at Michigan.
• 55:33
  Then Davy gets killed in the helicopter and then Judy dies.
• 55:37
  So at the end of Bobby's life, he had nobody except all of us
• 55:43
  is very sad at the end. And I think NASCAR recognized
• 55:46
  that. Why it took NASCAR so long to
• 55:50
  make this this wrong or right. It was unanimous.
• 55:55
  They awarded Bobby that 85th win to put him against, put him past
• 56:00
  Darrell Walter because it was the right thing to do.
• 56:03
  And quickly let me remind everybody what that was about.
• 56:07
  They this is crazy what I'm going to tell you, but it's
• 56:11
  it'll quiet everybody up about good times and bad times.
• 56:14
  Years ago, NASCAR was failing and the car count was so low
• 56:22
  that they took the just for now times, just for the verbiage.
• 56:26
  Years ago, NASCAR said we're going to grab the Xfinity Series
• 56:29
  in the Cup drivers, we're going to put them together.
• 56:32
  And they did that at Bowman Gray or wherever it was.
• 56:35
  And Bobby Allison being the great racer, he said I'm going
• 56:39
  to choose to run an Xfinity car. So back then it was a sportsman
• 56:43
  car. Back then it was called a
• 56:45
  sportsman car. It was the Xfinity car and then
• 56:48
  Grand National was the cup car. Well, Bobby said, well, this is
• 56:51
  easy. I'm going to run a sportsman
• 56:54
  car. And he won the cup race.
• 56:56
  But because it was in a sportsman car, they never gave
• 57:00
  him the win. But hold on.
• 57:04
  Tiny Lund, the number 55 Pepsi like 1968 Camaro, badass car it
• 57:11
  good looking car. Tiny Lund won two races that
• 57:16
  were the sportsman in the Grand National cars and they gave him
• 57:19
  Cup wins. They said, oh, Tiny one wins two
• 57:22
  Cup races and it was the right thing to do.
• 57:24
  They've known this for years. And, and, and I said it and I'll
• 57:28
  say it again, some either brother Rusty or Rodger Penske
• 57:33
  or somebody at NASCAR said, look, this is wrong.
• 57:37
  Bobby's getting ready to pass away.
• 57:40
  We got to let the man die in peace, give him his damn win
• 57:43
  that he deserved. But for some reason they would
• 57:46
  not give Bobby that win and it was wrong.
• 57:50
  So Bobby Allison and and listen, Annie Wallace loves everybody.
• 57:59
  Don't start on me, but I do love everybody.
• 58:02
  Hey, listen, Darryl Walter wrote me a $5000 check and sponsored
• 58:07
  my Robbie Benton car. Remember I was doing that fan
• 58:10
  car. I did it twice, did it up there
• 58:13
  in Canada and I did it at at Charlotte and we did the fan car
• 58:18
  a second time. And if you look at the hood of
• 58:20
  that card said, you know, champion Darryl Waltrip.
• 58:22
  Darryl Waltrip wrote me a check for $5000 and gave it and I gave
• 58:28
  it to Robbie Benton. I was cons.
• 58:30
  All the money I ever found in my life.
• 58:32
  I'm always giving to these teams so I could race.
• 58:35
  So I love Darryl Waltrip. OK, But Darryl Waltrip and Davey
• 58:39
  Alice or Bobby Allison, Excuse me?
• 58:42
  Darryl Waltrip and Bobby Allison hated each other.
• 58:45
  It was very sad. But those drivers, in the past,
• 58:49
  they held massive amount of grudge.
• 58:52
  And to this day, they, they go to their deathbed hating each
• 58:55
  other. So Daryl, Daryl LED a much
• 59:01
  healthier life. Daryl raced longer.
• 59:03
  His health was good. Poor Bobby got hurt at Phoenix,
• 59:08
  you know, messed his brain up, lost all his children.
• 59:11
  So at the end of Bobby's life, it was just devastating.
• 59:15
  And Daryl Waltrip has lived a beautiful life and celebrated
• 59:20
  the end of his career on Fox TV and Hall of Fame and
• 59:24
  dealerships. And Daryl's very wealthy.
• 59:27
  So as my friends would say, life finds a way of balancing it out.
• 59:33
  So at the end of Bobby's life, NASCAR finally gave Bobby that
• 59:39
  85th win that put him past his arch nemesis.
• 59:43
  You know, I'm joking right now. But don't you know Bobby died
• 59:45
  smiling. I got that damn Darrell Waltrip.
• 59:51
  But yeah, we celebrated Bobby just now.
• 59:54
  And he was a race car driver. He built his own race cars.
• 59:59
  Back in the day. Bobby would chassis those cars
• 1:00:02
  himself. That's where Rusty got that
• 1:00:04
  from. Rusty Wallace is a protege.
• 1:00:09
  He's a chip off the old block. Rusty Wallace is another Bobby
• 1:00:12
  Allison. Rusty Wallace is another Larry
• 1:00:15
  Phillips. Rusty Wallace is another Dick
• 1:00:17
  Trickle. Those three, those are the big
• 1:00:21
  three in the Wallace family life cycle.
• 1:00:25
  Bobby Allison, Larry Phillips, Dick Trickle.
• 1:00:29
  So thank you, Charlie, for allowing me to do that.
• 1:00:32
  You set me up. I didn't know it was coming.
• 1:00:35
  Well said. Let's let's end on that.
• 1:00:36
  What do you think we're we're over an hour.
• 1:00:38
  Thanks everybody for watching. We have like 5500 people have
• 1:00:42
  watched in the last hour. We have 500 and people, 505
• 1:00:46
  people right now. If you haven't subscribed yet,
• 1:00:49
  please hit that subscribe button.
• 1:00:50
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• 1:00:53
  You got that. Where is it?
• 1:00:55
  It's hard to get there. 100,000 subscribers.
• 1:00:57
  We're at 116,000 subscribers right now.
• 1:01:00
  Thank you. Charlie, we've been gaining like
• 1:01:02
  1000 a week. Why?
• 1:01:05
  Because first of all, October was our best month ever.
• 1:01:09
  We did great. I think we added, I can tell you
• 1:01:11
  right now, I can tell you exactly here we add.
• 1:01:15
  Thank you, everybody. We've added 4400 subscribers in
• 1:01:18
  the last 28 days. That's pretty Dang good.
• 1:01:21
  I thought something was going weird.
• 1:01:23
  So I think a lot of that is because we're hooked up with
• 1:01:28
  Dale Junior now and Dirty MO. I think they're putting out a
• 1:01:31
  lot of our content. And listen, you know it, it was
• 1:01:36
  it was Dale Junior that called us and said, Herman, you're
• 1:01:40
  kicking our butts on that YouTube.
• 1:01:42
  So we found a way to collaborate.
• 1:01:43
  So thank you everybody. Charlie, you're running the
• 1:01:46
  show. Thank you for everything you've
• 1:01:48
  done. Listen, it's been a hell of a
• 1:01:50
  year, everybody. That's it.
• 1:01:52
  That's it. The NASCAR race season over.
• 1:01:55
  But Herman Schrader keep on rolling.
• 1:01:58
  That's your producer right there, everybody.
• 1:02:00
  Charlie Marlow, he's going to he's going to be pushing all the
• 1:02:03
  buttons and then he wraps that show up and he gives it to Dirty
• 1:02:06
  MO. But Charlie, the show is still
• 1:02:08
  going to be on Kenny Wallace show right on YouTube.
• 1:02:13
  The video version will be here on YouTube, the audio version
• 1:02:17
  will be on Dirty MO Media's podcast feed, the RSS feed.
• 1:02:21
  And like I said, I think it's going to be 5:00 AM Eastern
• 1:02:25
  Time. Wednesday will be the first
• 1:02:27
  episode. And of course, we got to thank
• 1:02:28
  Jags as well, Kenny Walsh. Jags man, I tell you what, real
• 1:02:34
  quick everybody, since it's the end of the year, Jags said
• 1:02:38
  Herman, give me a list of things that you're looking at.
• 1:02:42
  A sponsor. They called me, I was out in
• 1:02:44
  Scottsdale, I was at, I was at that big hotel out there.
• 1:02:48
  But anyway, one morning, check my emails, I said oh gosh, OK.
• 1:02:54
  So I give him like 4 things and at the very bottom I said
• 1:02:57
  sponsor, you know, sponsor my dirt car, sponsor my dirt car
• 1:03:03
  and then YouTube show. And Jake said we want that
• 1:03:07
  YouTube show. I'm like really?
• 1:03:10
  But listen, the presidency was won on a podcast.
• 1:03:14
  There's they're saying Joe Rogan won Trump the election.
• 1:03:18
  So I think Jake saw something that maybe, I mean, Charlie, you
• 1:03:22
  saw it, you saw it. You were the one that wanted to
• 1:03:26
  start this. What did you see in the Elect
• 1:03:29
  the Electronic World podcast and what did you see?
• 1:03:33
  Well, you know. As you know, I worked in local
• 1:03:35
  TV for for 20 years or so and I just think that format doesn't
• 1:03:41
  make sense anymore, you know, not having a lot of time, the
• 1:03:45
  time constraints, short clips, right?
• 1:03:48
  And then so we're talking sports, but you're talking about
• 1:03:50
  politics. And also just with short clips,
• 1:03:53
  you can take people out of context, right?
• 1:03:55
  You can make people look bad with a 22nd clip, 5 second clip,
• 1:03:59
  15 second clip. I've always thought, not just
• 1:04:02
  for politics, sports, anybody. You can really get to know
• 1:04:06
  somebody when they sit down with a Joe Rogan or Theo Von or
• 1:04:09
  whoever the hell else, or Kenny Wallace for an hour or 90
• 1:04:12
  minutes or two hours or three hours.
• 1:04:14
  You get to know that person on a personal level, right?
• 1:04:18
  So to me, it's easy to clip somebody and you put the the bad
• 1:04:22
  clip or the good clip and you're like, oh, that's a great person.
• 1:04:25
  That guy sucks. But then you you hear him talk,
• 1:04:27
  you watch him talk for two hours.
• 1:04:29
  You're like, that's a cool dude, man.
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  I never liked this guy. Now I like him.
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  I'll tell you, I have thought this, every person that I didn't
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  like, I'd see some clips of a person, I'd see him on social
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  media. I'm like, I don't like that guy.
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  Every time I watch that person on a podcast I like them more.
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  So this happened with Mark Richards on Kenny Conversation
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  that he he runs Rocket chassis. Mark Richards runs Rocket
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  Chassis and we did an hour and a half of Kenny conversation and
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  all the fans at the dirt racers were like, Oh my God, we never
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  liked him. Now we like him.
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  So now everybody's been running up to Mark Richards and it was
• 1:05:11
  Matt James, my souvenir. Thank you, Steven.
• 1:05:15
  But every Matt James who sells my souvenirs just told me last
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  week he set up people are are coming up to Mark Richards at
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  the dirt tracks going man, we like you now because we were
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  able to watch you on that hour and a half any conversation.
• 1:05:31
  So I do you think I know we got in, but don't Do you think any
• 1:05:35
  conversation has allowed people to get to know people way better
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  because we interviewed them for an hour and a half?
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  100% and not just not just the drivers, because I feel like the
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  drivers, people know those guys. They do a lot of media, but
• 1:05:50
  somebody like Mark Richards, right?
• 1:05:51
  How about how about all the the media folks?
• 1:05:54
  The Shannon Spakes, The Caitlin Vincey's?
• 1:05:57
  Jamie Little. Jamie, the Jamie Littles, you
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  see these people on TV, they do a great job, but but do you
• 1:06:02
  really know about them as a person?
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  I think it's those personal stories that come out in the
• 1:06:06
  podcast and it connects those folks to their fans much better.
• 1:06:12
  Jamie Little, her mom, raised her.
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  She moved to Vegas on her own. She started with the X Games and
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  Jamie's our our biggest getter as far as views because she
• 1:06:25
  started with the X Games. What's he say here, Chris?
• 1:06:29
  Chris Barrett says podcasts have swayed my view of people.
• 1:06:32
  Myself listening to DJD and Kenny changed my view of Kyle
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  Busch. There's the thing.
• 1:06:38
  Kyle Busch is always the villain, right?
• 1:06:40
  But then you watch him and you realize he's a human being and
• 1:06:43
  he's funny and he's got. Children.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, Yeah. All right, Charlie, I guess we
• 1:06:48
  better get sleep for the the big day tomorrow.
• 1:06:51
  So you, you got all the the Wi-Fi is good.
• 1:06:53
  Kenny Schrader and myself are going to do the herm do Herman
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  Schrader on our like I'm going to I'm going to be right here
• 1:07:00
  and you're going to have to Schrader's and get him settled
• 1:07:03
  away. It's going to look sharp though.
• 1:07:05
  We already have like a a nice little graphics package and then
• 1:07:09
  you guys are going to get your briefcases with the mic.
• 1:07:11
  So that'll be later, but we're going to make it look good.
• 1:07:13
  Dirty MO Media. They have all the cool graphics
• 1:07:16
  and everything so it'll look sharp.
• 1:07:18
  I have it right here, everybody. I already got the format laid
• 1:07:21
  out. Charlie has helped me with it.
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  Kenny Schrader's help me. Let's go over this, Charlie.
• 1:07:26
  Let's promote it real quick and then we'll end the we got a
• 1:07:30
  little Jingle, which is really cool.
• 1:07:32
  Dale Junior did a little bit, but I'm going to say Herman
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  Schrader on The Dirty MO media platform from the middle of
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  America in St. Louis, MO starts right now.
• 1:07:43
  Then the Jingle will roll. We're going to do who come up
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  with crack, Kenny Schrader. I like that.
• 1:07:48
  I think that was Tiff, Tiff and Colby from Dirty MO Media.
• 1:07:52
  They really like that idea to try to get Schrader to laugh.
• 1:07:56
  OK, so we're going to go through it real quick here, everybody.
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  We start to show out with your jokes.
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  Did you pick any jokes yet, Charlie?
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  I have not picked them yet. I'm going to look, I'm going to
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  look after the, you know, I wanted to wait till after the
• 1:08:08
  race, after we did our live show.
• 1:08:10
  We'll get the the format and we'll get the topics, we'll get
• 1:08:13
  the jokes and all that. So you, you the fans send your
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  jokes in and I say Joe Bob from Minnesota, OK, there's erman
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  let's just say erman thank you erman Herman from Minnesota.
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  Here's her joke or his joke. And, and if Schrader laughs.
• 1:08:30
  So that's the first block. The second block will be what
• 1:08:34
  did we do over the weekend? Crazy.
• 1:08:36
  Schrader can't wait to hear that story.
• 1:08:38
  He rode his trike all the way out to Vegas and all the way
• 1:08:42
  back through the snow. The third block will be the
• 1:08:45
  NASCAR hot topics. So we will get into the
• 1:08:48
  championship. Then we're going to go to dirt
• 1:08:51
  racing because that's that's it. And then we're going to have our
• 1:08:55
  dirt, our racers of the week, who was our NASCAR driver of the
• 1:08:58
  week, dirt Racer of the week, and our local racer of the week.
• 1:09:02
  Block 5 will be why? That's a fun one.
• 1:09:06
  Why? We're going to ask Schrader why
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  and Schrader's going to go why, you know, and it'll complain
• 1:09:13
  about something and I will too. The 6th block will be stories
• 1:09:16
  from the past seven will be Schrader.
• 1:09:19
  What makes you happy? And he's going to say, Herman,
• 1:09:22
  what makes you happy #8 will be what makes you mad. 9 will be
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  current affairs. Oh God, that's going to get us
• 1:09:31
  in trouble. 10 Charlie, that's your job.
• 1:09:36
  Number 10 is trending. What's trending?
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  So make sure you remember that I sent, I sent.
• 1:09:42
  You've been busy. You've been out in California
• 1:09:44
  with your family. And then the very end, we're
• 1:09:49
  going to end with life advice that ought to be good.
• 1:09:53
  So that's what the Herman, that's what Herman Schrader
• 1:09:56
  built on. We've we've, we've promoted the
• 1:10:01
  hell out of that show. I think that's.
• 1:10:03
  Going to be great. Charles in charge.
• 1:10:05
  It's. Going to be great here.
• 1:10:06
  Let's end on this though, because this person is a good
• 1:10:08
  idea for a for a future Kenny conversation.
• 1:10:12
  It's mega 5O2, says Kenny. When the dust settles, interview
• 1:10:15
  the pace car driver from today. That would be what?
• 1:10:18
  Who was it? I don't.
• 1:10:20
  Know, I think it was it the Bodine, was it Brett Bodine?
• 1:10:23
  Hey, by the way, let me tell you what I think happened there.
• 1:10:26
  I think that the pace car driver thought they were going to go
• 1:10:30
  another lap and come green flag. Well, that wall runs all the way
• 1:10:35
  around the racetrack so that that's the last chance for the
• 1:10:38
  past pace car to pull in. We're having fun PMG, we're
• 1:10:44
  having fun. I'm not a Dick.
• 1:10:48
  But anyway, I think NASCAR said at the last minute, pull in,
• 1:10:52
  we're going green. And I believe the pace car
• 1:10:54
  driver felt like, Oh no, he turned that damn spun it out
• 1:10:58
  into those barrels. I think that's what happened.
• 1:11:01
  I don't think it was so much miscommunication is it was a it
• 1:11:06
  was a quick decision and it made for a good show.
• 1:11:10
  All right, let's finally end on that Herman Schrader.
• 1:11:13
  We're taping tomorrow. It's coming out on Wednesday on
• 1:11:17
  Dirty MO Media and here on YouTube on the Kenny Wallace
• 1:11:20
  YouTube channel. Thanks for all of you guys for
• 1:11:22
  watching and liking and subscribing.
• 1:11:25
  Thank you, Herm. Thank you, Jags.
• 1:11:27
  I'm Charlie Marlow, we will see you very soon.
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  End stream.