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115. Notable Nostalgia's Murder Radio · Notable Nostalgia

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, nostalgia nerds. I just won't let you know.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about a serial killer in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: so we will be talking about death. We don't get
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  Speaker 1: too graphic or into details or anything about that, but
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  Speaker 1: we definitely do talk about the deaths, some of them,
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  Speaker 1: not all of them. So just kind of giving you
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  Speaker 1: giving you a warning on that one. And also, I
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  Speaker 1: know we were kind of talking about how we were
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  Speaker 1: going to get this episode up on YouTube. I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: For some reason, I cannot get the video part to work, so.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I had to push this episode back.
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  Speaker 1: So I do apologize, but thanks to your patients, and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get some videos up on YouTube soon once
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  Speaker 1: I figure out how to do that correctly. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed the episode. And what if I
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  Speaker 1: lost both my hands tomorrow, you.
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  Speaker 2: Could be a feat model. I was sixteen at the
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  Speaker 2: time or fifteen, and then hook it up with a
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  Speaker 2: witch and that was that. Cats can smile apparently, whoa weird,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't always mean that they're happy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Lucy receives a call from what I can only
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  Speaker 1: assume is the future winner of every acting award ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennymane is a star. Her look looks weren't a
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  Speaker 2: part of the issue.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I had to sell my last top hat
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  Speaker 1: for Gramas.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this is not appropriate either, but let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's uping nostalgia nerds, We have a killer episode
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  Speaker 1: for you today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boom boom bones.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing something a little bit different. I started another
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  Speaker 1: podcast called Andy's Murder Radio, but it took a hiatus
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  Speaker 1: because right when I started that one, we found out
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  Speaker 1: that moving Forward is notable nostalgia. It was just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be myself and Jeff, so I wanted to give it
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  Speaker 1: some time and to figure out how we're gonna do this.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the very first episode back of Andy's
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  Speaker 1: Murder Radio. But it's also gonna be a Notable Nostalgie episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so are we on Notable Nostalgia or are
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  Speaker 2: we on Andy's Radio.
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  Speaker 1: We're on both.
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  Speaker 2: Fuh, that's multiverse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's gonna be really crazy because if you listen
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  Speaker 1: to this on Notable Nostalgia, it's gonna have our theme music.
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  Speaker 1: But if you listen to it on Andy's Murder Radio
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  Speaker 1: or YouTube, it's gonna have that theme music.
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  Speaker 2: If you're listening to it, not listen to it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, currently, Well no, if you listened to the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, if you listen to the beginning, we're killing it.
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  Speaker 2: We're killing it, hey.
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  Speaker 1: But what we're gonna do is, I'm gonna talk about
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer for anybody that doesn't listen, and at
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  Speaker 1: the end, I have some ratings that we're gonna rate
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  Speaker 1: him and see kind of where he is on the scale.
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  Speaker 1: But we think it's a good serial killer. This is
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  Speaker 1: my first time having a guest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Jeff doesn't know who I'm gonna talk about. He
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  Speaker 1: has no idea. He's gonna kind of react in real time.
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  Speaker 2: So your podcast is about serial killers like murderers and stuff. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: I like this. But before we start, for the listeners
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  Speaker 1: of Andy's Murder Radio, we have Jeff here hey, a
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  Speaker 1: world known podcaster. Uh and he knows more about serial
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  Speaker 1: killers than anybody else in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I know about fruity pebbles and that was
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  Speaker 2: a low hanging fruit. It's a good one, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: Simonto's Crunch. So that's what I'm bringing to the episode.
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  Speaker 1: So I wanted to bring up this serial killer. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not giving you the name yet, just because when we
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  Speaker 1: think of serial killers, especially in America, we think of
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  Speaker 1: a few like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Dona, Wayne Gacy.
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  Speaker 1: But this serial killer is from America. His last murder
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  Speaker 1: was two thousand and five. He's killed ninety three people
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  Speaker 1: and nobody I've talked to everybody, not one person's don
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  Speaker 1: this person.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna try to guess with the question, sure you,
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  Speaker 2: does this person have the ability to get to an
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  Speaker 2: even hundred?
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  Speaker 1: Not anymore?
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  Speaker 2: Not anymore? Or But also that movie Saw continued on
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  Speaker 2: after the killer died.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I only saw Saw one really Yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sault two is where bus off?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Mark Wahlberg, Donnie Wallberg from New Kids on the Block.
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  Speaker 2: He's in it.
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  Speaker 1: Weird Yeah, is it the same thing like they play games?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, guess who's in it? Number two? This
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  Speaker 2: is gonna blow everybody's fucking mind anymore. No, no, no, she
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  Speaker 2: is famous Lucy from Seventh Heaven. Oh really yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: if you want to see Lucy from Seventh spoiler alert, die,
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  Speaker 2: watch this movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's Blonde one, the one with the.
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  Speaker 2: Stupid Jimminy cricket phase. And if you So if you
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  Speaker 2: want to watch her die but not actually kill her yet,
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  Speaker 2: then then watch this movie. Yeah anyways, but she was
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  Speaker 2: dating Jimmy Moon.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jimmy Moon's a star.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, throwback.
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  Speaker 1: So this one is I'm just gonna so this Serira
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  Speaker 1: killer's name is Samuel Little. Have you heard about this
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  Speaker 1: guy before? I have not ninety three murders they have
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  Speaker 1: confirmed over well, they've confirmed about thirteen of them, but
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  Speaker 1: they're pretty sure they can connect sixty of them. But
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  Speaker 1: he's admitted to ninety three, which is fucking crazy. And
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  Speaker 1: if they can connect sixty, there's no reason for him
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  Speaker 1: to lie about the other thirty. Like what like, you
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  Speaker 1: started killing in nineteen seventy five. His last one was
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and five and then he got arrested.
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  Speaker 2: So why do they keep investigating it if they already
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  Speaker 2: got him?
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  Speaker 1: Well he's dead now, unfortunately, Yeah, he died in prison.
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  Speaker 1: But they investig because I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that want to have closure for their family members.
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  Speaker 1: I guess maybe makes them feel better.
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  Speaker 2: So was he a good person? I would say no,
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  Speaker 2: But like outside of outside of the serial killing.
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  Speaker 1: I would also say no. He did a lot of
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  Speaker 1: crimes and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Like, did he hold the door open for people?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to guess no, I mean maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's how we got in. But once we get to
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  Speaker 1: the story, you're, oh, I think he's probably pretty shitty too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I'm just gonna start with the introduction.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go. Samuel Little is considered one of
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  Speaker 1: the most prolific serial killers in US history, having confessed
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  Speaker 1: to murdering ninety three people between nineteen seventy five and
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and five. His crimes went undetected for decades,
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  Speaker 1: largely due to his choice of victims and the transient
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  Speaker 1: nature of his lifestyle. Law enforcement has since verified at
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  Speaker 1: least sixty of his confessions, with efforts continuing to confirm more.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess why, I mean, what are they going
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  Speaker 1: to gain from that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Little's background, criminal activities, arrests, and the investigative work that
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  Speaker 1: led to the uncovering of his horrific acts.
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  Speaker 2: Now, so here's a.
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  Speaker 1: Little beginning from his early life. He was born June seventh,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen forty in Reynolds, Georgia. His mother, according to his accounts,
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  Speaker 1: was a teenage sex worker, and he claimed to have
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  Speaker 1: been born in prison because his mom was in jail
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  Speaker 1: at the time. However, official records about his birth remain unclear,
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  Speaker 1: so we don't one hundred percent know, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of during his time talking to the police, they believe
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  Speaker 1: he had a kind of a photographic memory because one
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  Speaker 1: thing they did was he doesn't remember people's names, but
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  Speaker 1: he drew pictures of all his victims, and that's how
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  Speaker 1: they were able to kind of tie together those sixty
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  Speaker 1: plus cases because they saw they went back to like
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  Speaker 1: where he lived murder victims at that time, and based
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  Speaker 1: on the drawings he drew fifty years after the murder,
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  Speaker 1: they were so close that they were like, Oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably this person that's fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he sounds really talented.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe if he had a different upbringing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he was primarily raised by his grandmother because his
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  Speaker 1: mother was a sex worker and she was in and
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  Speaker 1: out of jail, in and out of trouble, and he
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Ohio after his mother abandoned him. His
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  Speaker 1: childhood was marked with instability, neglect, and behavioral issues. Little
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  Speaker 1: struggled academically.
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  Speaker 2: Too, exhibiting like, yeah, when was his birthday?
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  Speaker 1: June seventh.
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  Speaker 2: So he's a Gemini that tracks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's crazy. Do you know, like if I gave
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  Speaker 1: you a date, would you be able to get.
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  Speaker 2: The oh only on certain star signs that I target? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: What about like February twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 2: That's my birthday? That means I'm emotional? Okay, I think
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  Speaker 2: so let.
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  Speaker 1: Me see here. He struggled academically, exhibiting difficulties in school
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  Speaker 1: that led to frequent disciplinary actions. And so this is
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  Speaker 1: the fourth episode of this, and every one of these
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  Speaker 1: episodes I've done so far, for the most part, these
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  Speaker 1: kids have had or these killers when they were kids.
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  Speaker 1: They had difficult upbringings. So I do I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that it's one hundred percent nurture. I do think there
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  Speaker 1: is small cases where it's nature that causes people to
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  Speaker 1: do this. But based on one hundred percent of the
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  Speaker 1: people that I've talked about so far, they've all had
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  Speaker 1: horrible upbringings to where I think if they had some love,
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  Speaker 1: people cared about them, maybe wouldn't turn out this way.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So like Jason foro He's from Friday the thirteenth, was
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  Speaker 2: that that was nature and nurture.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the one at the camp.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because his mom was the killer in the first one,
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  Speaker 2: so he learned probably a lot from that. True, But
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  Speaker 2: then also he didn't have the best childhood, So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I like, was it nature and nurture? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well again for the last time, that's not a documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Oh outside bar, I've been staring at the camera sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: so like that might be creepy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and I just realized I've been staring at you
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  Speaker 1: like this whole time.
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  Speaker 2: That's good because like you're talking, I'm just looking at
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  Speaker 2: the camera and on my back and forth. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try that took.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Ready, Dimmi Lovado. Oh wait, no, here, try this watch
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  Speaker 2: Dimmi Lovato. I didn't know a thing.
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  Speaker 1: For people that are listening right now, they go, what
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  Speaker 1: Oh if you want to see this, go to YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: So from an early age, he displayed signs of violent
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  Speaker 1: tendencies and a fascination with physical dominance, not a good
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  Speaker 1: sign if you're a kid, you know. Report suggested that
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  Speaker 1: he engage in petty thing did minor assault as a child.
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  Speaker 1: He frequently clashed with authority figures and often ran away
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  Speaker 1: from home, which there is again I'm shown probably a
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  Speaker 1: bad home life, which I think leads to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these issues. Unfortunately, let me see, he frequently clashed
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  Speaker 1: with authority. Do you do By his teenage years, he had
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  Speaker 1: numerous run ins with the law, including arrest for theft, assault,
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  Speaker 1: and truancy And that's one time he was sent to
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  Speaker 1: like this boy's home. And as of right now, the
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  Speaker 1: last report I was able to find was in twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Minors in those type of situations ten percent of them
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  Speaker 1: reported some kind of sexual abuse, So that's in twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: and that's just the people coming forward, right. So if
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  Speaker 1: this was taking place, he was born in nineteen forty,
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  Speaker 1: so he's probably in the fifties when it was horrible.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have like as many rules as they do
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  Speaker 1: now about like protecting children. They didn't know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the mental issues going on, so they would just
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  Speaker 1: treat them like shit. So my point is, I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a very good chance that he was probably assaulted
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  Speaker 1: while he was in that boy's home too.
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  Speaker 2: And even this is like still going on because they
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  Speaker 2: just recently I think it was like late last year
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  Speaker 2: or early this year passed a bill in Congress and
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  Speaker 2: the President signed it about more regulations when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to those like boarding school like behavioral boarding schools. And
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  Speaker 2: you know what celebrity spearheaded the bill.
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  Speaker 1: Let me guess that's gonna be someone weird, Kathy Griffin.
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  Speaker 2: No, but uh, Paris Hilton.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, she went to one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: She got up and she got abused, and so I
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  Speaker 2: just thought that was really I was like, wow, damn it,
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  Speaker 2: she's like amazing a human. So I watched an interview
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  Speaker 2: with her about the bill passing, and she gave like
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  Speaker 2: all the credit to herself. I'm like, yeah, definitely put
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  Speaker 2: yourself on the back, Paris Hilton, but like do it
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  Speaker 2: for the survivors, you know whatever. But but whom I
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  Speaker 2: had passed judgment on Paris Hilton.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think that show is a valid point too,
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  Speaker 1: because she is super duper rich, and if someone like
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  Speaker 1: that could get abused, who knows what's happening to the
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  Speaker 1: kids that don't have anybody to talk, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it's probably way worse.
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  Speaker 2: There's a clip page. Yeah, there's a clip that I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure if you can pull it or not of
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  Speaker 2: Paris Hilton testifying at Congress, and she's the clip starts
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  Speaker 2: with her here, and if you play it or not.
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  Speaker 4: What specifically do you think we could do to add
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  Speaker 4: mental health and counseling support and how do we how
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  Speaker 4: can we incorporate that in the bill along with trying
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  Speaker 4: to meet the goals that are already in this ree authorization.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I enjoyed our zoom call and I
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  Speaker 3: love your jacket. The sparkles are amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I had a little bling here for today.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I wanted to find out who made it later,
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  Speaker 3: but I think the most important thing is they need
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  Speaker 3: access to therapy, counseling, mentorship, and other community based programs.
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  Speaker 1: Dang crazy, Yeah, let me tell you what it was. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so edited it so it's about she's chatting with
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  Speaker 2: like one of the congress people like I love your jacket,
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  Speaker 2: is so pretty or something like that, and then then
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I love your jacket. And the really intense
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  Speaker 2: thing right now is to support our kids and we
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  Speaker 2: have to take away the beuse and like it just
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  Speaker 2: went straight. It is so great.
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  Speaker 1: Away gangster, his affinity for crime and violence is deepened
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  Speaker 1: as he grew older, and he found himself frequently incarcerated
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  Speaker 1: in juvenile detention centers, which we just kind of talked about.
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  Speaker 2: I should just finish that whole paragraph, I interrupted, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool looking. In addition to his criminal activities,
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  Speaker 1: Little developed a disturbing fixation on women's necks that is
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  Speaker 1: very disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't get me started on neck well, because.
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  Speaker 1: Some people say it started as early as kindergarten. He
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  Speaker 1: said he saw a kindergarten teacher and her neck and
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  Speaker 1: that's the first time he felt like aroused and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you're in kindergarten, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm disturbed, not disturbed, but I'm very
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  Speaker 2: like not into necks just because they hold. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's an issue with our evolution because there's so much
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  Speaker 2: important stuff neck up on your body, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that your neck is so vulnerable. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: maybe we need to have different types of necks, like
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  Speaker 2: with more bone in.
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  Speaker 1: Them, or we can invent a neck protector. Do they
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  Speaker 1: have neck braces for like, We'll get Wu Tang to sponsor.
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  Speaker 1: It's called protection you.
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  Speaker 2: Neck because most well most neck braces are for like
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  Speaker 2: reactive use if we come out with like a notable
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: nostalgia Andy's pod. I think Andy's Murder podcast because it
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  Speaker 2: could also help you not get your throat slashed or
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: choke to death or choked to death.
• 14:51
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  Speaker 1: So the neck would later become a key element and
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  Speaker 1: in his murder. In his method of killing, he reportedly
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  Speaker 1: fantasized about stregulation from a young age, which he later
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  Speaker 1: admitted played a role in his crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that goes hand in hand for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Despite his troubled youth, he briefly attempted to integrate into society,
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  Speaker 1: taking odd jobs, including working as an ambulance attendant. You'll
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  Speaker 1: have to go to school for that back then, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So, is he wanting to do that to get more
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  Speaker 2: access to the victims or is he trying to get
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  Speaker 2: like that pleasure, Like somebody who like doesn't have sex
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  Speaker 2: organs at all, they still want to get lapdands of
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  Speaker 2: the strip club. Oh sure, like if you were castrated,
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  Speaker 2: you still want to see titties, right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know, no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I've never asked you that.
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  Speaker 1: I've never had time to even think about that the
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  Speaker 1: first time I ever thought about it. He is also
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  Speaker 1: a cey work cemetery worker. However, his criminal tendency soon
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  Speaker 1: overpowered any attempt at his stable life, leading him down
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  Speaker 1: a path of persistent law breaking. So here are some
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  Speaker 1: of his criminal activities little known m O intense. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: remember like ninety three people.
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  Speaker 2: This is the law, Okay, I mean I I'm therefore it.
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  Speaker 1: So little's known. Modus operendi, which is an m O
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  Speaker 1: involved targeting vulnerable women, particularly those involved in prostitution, drug use,
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  Speaker 1: or living impoverished conditions. He would often lure his victims
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  Speaker 1: into his vehicle, overpower them, and strangle them to death,
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  Speaker 1: avoiding the use of weapons to prevent detectable evidence. Because
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine was the first time I believe someone
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: got arrested for DNA evidence with a murder or they
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: use that in a trial to convict someone. So he's
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: doing this from seventy five to eighty nine, and that's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the very first one.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, so he didn't even know about all the STDs
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: he could have gotten. Yeah, exactly, he would have been
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: better off like Rapian suburban women.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Well, he even talks about how he would never try
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to target white women or people that were because he goes,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: that's the people that people care about. That's so horrible, right, Yeah,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: so sad.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: You know that we do a comedy podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: This is a little I should have probably said at
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the beginning of this.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I talk about we could have maybe done like a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: sprinkle in some fantasy, like what kind of thing like
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: like this is based on true events, and then by
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: saying that you can legally, you know, add some like
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: he meant.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: He was half pterodactyl.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or he was like a like a one of
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: those half horrors, half like a centaurs. Yeah, he could
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: be a centaur and she could be like a fairy.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That uh probably for the family, for the family
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: of Xena Marie Jones, I probably have really enjoyed that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's gonna see.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Many of his crimes were unsolved due to the lack
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: of forensic evidence and the marginalization of his victims, leading
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: authorities to misclassify many of the deaths as an overdose
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: or natural causes, which means they just didn't care, because
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think you could strangle someone to death and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: be like, oh I think and she's like thirty, Oh
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: she just died from natural causes, you know what I mean?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Like they just didn't care.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I always say natural causes. Sounds like nature causes.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's like.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Died by tripping on like a log fell on her.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I was uh ill doing research for this. One
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: of the police that did these investigations, now that he's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: retired and stuff, he goes, if there was like a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: prostitute or someone of color and they got murdered, for
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, they didn't get murdered like God damn.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty one, Little was sentenced to three years
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in prison for breaking into a furniture store. He was
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: released in nineteen sixty four. By nineteen seventy five, he
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: had been arrested twenty six times in eleven states for
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: crimes including theft, assault, attempted rape, fraud, and attacks on government.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Officially, God, this is in Ohio.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Multiple places all over the country. He keeps moving all
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that thing. If you don't have a tie to anybody
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and you're just moving around constantly killing people, it's really
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: hard to find, you know, especially before DNA evidence and shit.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: So like when people like rich college students and they
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: get out of college, they like, I'm going to backpack
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: through Europe.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: If I hear that, I'm gonna be like, Okay.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Probably strangled someone to do.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kenneth is killing somebody.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Likely.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Well, that movie Hostile, I haven't seen that one. Yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I heard. It's kind of like solid, right, like tourists
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: go to another kind tree, stay in a hostile and
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: then bad the hostile things happened to them.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I think that was Wait, it's not hostile things. It's
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: hostile like where you live.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: But I think it's almost like a play on.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Words though maybe.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's hard to watch. But there's never like
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a chubby guy. So I'm fine, like, you know. Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty two, Little was arrested in Pascagoula. I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: believe that's in Florida. Oh no, it says Mississippi. If
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I would have read one more word. So he was
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: arrested in Mississippi and he faced charges for the murder
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: of twenty two year old Melinda rose La Prix. But
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: if you realize I said nineteen eighty two, his last
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: murder is in two thousand and five. What's gonna happen?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I thought prostitutes had names like sentiment and stuff.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they're using her real name. Oh probably
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: not like okay uh. She had gone missing in September
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of that year. A grand jury declined to indict him
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: for the murder. However, while under investigation, Little was extradited
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to Florida and tried for the murder of twenty six
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: year old Patricia Ann Mount, whose body has been found.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Whose body was found in September of eighty two. Prosecution
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: witnesses identified Little incore as a person who had spent
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: time with her on the night before she disappeared, but
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: due to the mistrust of witness testimonies, he was acquitted
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. And the mistrust was this person
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: had a history of drug use and was a prostitute.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So they were going to believe the people that said
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: we saw him the night she was murdered, And they're like, ah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: but you do drugs, black, you get out of here,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you know what? I mean, like they're not gonna listen
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think we should organize the strippers in prostitutes and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: sex workers and unionize. Yeah, which is I think very
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: go on strike, Like I think that the oldest profession
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: needs to be unilonz. I'm gonna swallow my spit holdon.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Little moved to California, where he stayed in the vicinity
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of San Diego. In October nineteen eighty four, he was
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: arrested for kidnapping, beating, and strangling another twenty two year
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: old named Lori Barrows. She survived. One month later, he
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: was found by police in the backseat of his car
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: with an unconscious woman, also beaten and strangled, in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: same location. He tried to do it to murder Borrows.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Little served two and a half years in prison for
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: both crimes. That's it, and he's already been tried for
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: murder and rape and strangulation.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: You know what if if this would have happened like
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: in you know, a tropical location or whatever, I'm sure
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: this guy would have enjoyed after a day of murder,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: getting the ice cold twisted tea.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: So, when your life is hard, your arthritis is kicking
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in from all of the murder. Give yourself a little
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: mini vacation even if you can't.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we call it a mini vacation and a can.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Can casi ca ca. Anyways, twisted tea, it's good enough
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: for me. I gotta go pee.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Not really though, upon his upon his release of nineteen
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: eighty seven, he immediately moved to Los Angeles and committed
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: at least ten additional murders.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, if he had a punch card, got
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it free. Murder right now.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Little was arrested on September fifth, twenty twelve, at a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: homeless shelter in Louisville, Kentucky. Why'd you say because houses
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: no like or because this run of terror feel like?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like a homeless shelter should be like a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: church or a synagogue. We're kind of like a save
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: space from law enforcement.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: He was extra righted to California to face a narcotic charge,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: after which authority used DNA testing to establish that he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: was involved in the murders of Linda Alford in nineteen
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: eighty seven, Guadaloupe A Daca killed also in nineteen eighty seven,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and Audrey Nelson Everett killed in nineteen eighty nine. All
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: three women were killed and later found on the streets
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. He was extradited to LA where he
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: was charged on January seventh, twenty thirteen. A few months later,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the police said that Little was being investigated for involvement
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in three dozen other murders committed in the eighties, which
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: until then had been undisclosed. In connection with the new
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: circumstances in Mississippi, the La pre murder case was reopened.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: In total, Little was arrested for involvement in ninety three
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: murders of women in many states.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Talk about Nope, talk about your work ethic.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: That is true. You know, I committed if this was
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a hobby.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: It's not like it was truly an obsession hobby.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sometimes I get into a hobby. In like three
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: weeks later, I'm like, I'm not gonna paint that. Sure.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: My cousin. My cousins used to collect PETZ dispensers, like hundreds.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: That's somebody to look at for serial killer shit. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: like not saying anything.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Signs about his PEZ dispensing. I'm just kidding. So, following
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: his conviction, Little began cooperating with investigators, eventually confessing to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: ninety three murders across multiple states.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Oh sad.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: His confessions were shockingly detailed, and he even provided sketches
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of his victims, aiding in their identification. The FBI played
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a significant role in verifying his claims, using forensic analysis
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and corroborating details with unsolved cases. So these are just some.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Of the If I had to draw my victims, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: haven't ever killed the namebody, it never will. But if
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I had to draw my it'd be like a stick figure.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I guess he was. Actually, if you look
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: at the drawings, are actually pretty good.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: That's so sad. Did you draw them alive or dead?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Well? Some of them, well, some of them it looks
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: like the people looking at it. It looks like how
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: people's eyes look after they've been killed. I'm like, fuck,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that's heavy.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, because you can't just take pictures.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So if you're eighty two, you'd have to get him
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: developed somewhere.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Have done something different like not no, not like not
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: drawing them, Like what else could he do because he
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: can't them. Sculpting would have been good.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Animation, stop claimation.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: That would be good.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: What motion?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: What's those Marrionette puppets.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could have done that. Yeah, so maybe
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: interpretive dance.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Also, did he have a costume, because like that Jane
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Wayne Geese guy or whatever did He's associated with clowns,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: So I think that would elevate your notoriety if you
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: were a serial killer and you had a gimmick.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Well see, actually I think, well, okay, we'll talk about
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: this after. But I have a reason. I think he's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: not very important.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Oh is this like inappropriate? No, I just think that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: everybody could use a little construct. I'm against serial killing
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and killing in general, kind of less serial killing.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Well what Abraham Lincoln said, whatever you do, make sure
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you're the best at it. So I guess, if you're
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: going to commit to serial kill, I guess be the best.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: That's what Abraham Lincoln wants you to do, not me.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln said.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I think that serial killers should have like a teammate,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: like a partner. Sure, because then one of them can
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: be in charge of like the aftermath, because I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you guys got to take turns. Because where serial killers
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: fall short is they after it's done, they don't clean
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: up as well. Yeah, so they're all about the thrill
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And you need some of that. Just loves cleaning, yeah, yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and then that'd be a great team. Do you like cleaning?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So I think the murder first, yeah, because they like
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I love cleaning, but they're like, next question.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about murderers?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Little admitted to ninety three different murders in total, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: sixty deaths have been formally connected to him by the police.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: The majority of Little's victims for sex workers, substance users, uh,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and houseless individuals, most of them were female. He claimed
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: that he thought these persons would leave fewer clues for
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: authorities to find and leave fewer persons to search for them. Okay,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: because their houseless and on drugs and stuff like that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, I lived with a girl. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: have had a girl roommate, like women roommates, and I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: grew up with a sister. Don't kill women. Stop killing women.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Their hair is like fucking everywhere. Yeah, like you're asking
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: for trouble.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: So don't kill men either, But don't kill women, like
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna get caught. Yeah, because their hair comes
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: out anywhere, and then they scratch you. They scratch you
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: with the nails and then that's gonna leave DNA evidence.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeap under their finger nails.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, see to get rid of their
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: head and their and their hands.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Despite the broad scope of his offending, Little was charged
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with and convicted of, only eight murders in total. Asis
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: cases had the strongest evidence of guilt, but he did
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: say he did more. So I don't I don't really
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like talking about all the victims. I have a list.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: You should look them up. It's just because I don't
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: think it should be remembered for this specific thing. But
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I uh, there's I got just so thirty two, twenty one,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: forty one, thirty five, forty six, thirty thirty two, and thirty.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Two, thirty six, twenty two, thirty six. Only she's five
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: left the line.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, only she's five two or something.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm just saying, so, think about how young
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: all of those people are. Every single one of them
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: are younger than us, except for one or two like us.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Love the convicted ones. Oh my god, imagine like twenty
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: one so young.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but now they'd be old and as shit.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: True. Yeah, yeah, eighty four. That means she was born
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in sixty three. Sad, Yeah, she's in.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Sixty sixty two, but people are living so long. Well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: obviously she if she wasn't killed, she would be probably
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: a lot a little older.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so most of them are the same kind
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of story though. He would like encounter them at the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: bar or go where all the prostitutes were, talk them
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: into coming into his car, and then he would essentially
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just choke them to death, rate them, and then he
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: would just throw their bodies out too. He would even
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: try to hide them because he knew them being of color,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: them being of doing prostitute stuff, working and drug things.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: He knows that the family probably gave up on them.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: If it's not like a pretty white young girl, the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: media is not going to care and the cops aren't
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: going to spend too much time on if nobody gives
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a fuck. So he knew exactly what he was doing,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: which is really scary within itself too.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Well, And I don't know when this comes out. This
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: episode comes out in conjunction to the last Nugget episode
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: with that we recorded for Notable Nostalgia. But if it
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: was us and we picked up a prostitute, we would
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: just take her to a house party. We wouldn't kill her. Yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And I think the kind of person that I would
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: hang out with if they were a prostitute. And we're
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: all prostitutes to capitalism. Oh yeah, aos aos anyways, Oh
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: that's such a bummer. Yeah, so his uh turned out
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: different for pretty woman.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. She was a.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Prostitute with that Richard Gear.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't happen to Richard Gear. Samuel Little's case
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: shed light on systematic or systemic failures and tracking serial killers,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: especially those who target marginalized individuals. His ability to elude
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: capture for decades highlighted deficiencies law enforcement communication, and the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: need for improved methods in solving cold cases. Authorities continue
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to investigate his confessions, confessions working to provide closure for
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the families of the victims. So Samuel Little's crimes remain
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a grim chapter in American criminal history. His confessions have
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: rewritten the narrative of serial murder investigations, emphasizing the importance
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of reassessing overlooked cases. While his death in December twenty
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: twenty ended his ran of terror, the pursuit of justice
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: for his victims continues, ensuring that their stories are not forgotten.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And I think one reason this person isn't more known
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is because he's black.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: So we don't want to talk about the survivor or
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: not the survivors. They're victims because they died, because like
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: outside of the murder by a serial killer, what would
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: they have to talk about, like being hookers?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Well, what about before that happened? We don't know their story,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: what if maybe they could be babies, Maybe we don't know.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe some of them were great at like playing the piano,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: but then something bad happened, you know what I mean?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You never know they're talking about.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Too much just because their sister was good at piano,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: because if you're not a pianist, you're sucking pianists.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: He oh nice, the movie is great The Pianist.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: But honestly, honest to god, though we are joking, it's fine.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Which is this horrible? You almost kind of have to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: joke about it. You don't have to, of course, but
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like it just it's it just seems so unfathomable, fathom fathomable,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: but all to me, like that shit can happen to
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: someone you know, or you know what I mean, Yeah,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: it's easier to joke about it, to talk about.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: It, and also to we're exposing people who might not
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: be exposed to murder, because if you're listening to a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: podcast or or whatever, your life's probably pretty good, like
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you're not working like two jobs and like, you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: getting well.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Some people probably are kind of weirded out too, because
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: our last episode we were like talking about POGs. We're
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: talking about murders and stuff. So at the end of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: these episodes, though, I have a few things I like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to rank them by, and then we give them an
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: overall score.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, like how good the murder was?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Well them in general, So like, okay, so what would
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you rank their brutality level from one through ten?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Brutality, No, I'm gonna go four, because like they got
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the job done clearly, but they were more about quality
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: quantity and not quality.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: See I went ten just because almost every single one
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: was the same and it was choking to death, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like that to do that to ninety three people,
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  Speaker 1: you have to it's pretty brutal. And then and there's
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  Speaker 1: more people that got out that didn't he thought were
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  Speaker 1: dead but weren't dead. And then just tossing a body
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  Speaker 1: out of a car, just the the level of not
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  Speaker 1: giving a fuck. I think I gave it a ten.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, Oh, I think I've been desensitized because I've watched
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  Speaker 2: so much horror movies that I see like Saw or
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  Speaker 2: Hostile or Candy Man or Child's Play. Like I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: like every the killer needs to kill them in a creative,
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  Speaker 2: very theatrical way. But I guess, yeah, choking is just
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  Speaker 2: so predictable.
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  Speaker 1: What about his social impact?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Social impact? I would say he hasn't made a huge impact.
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  Speaker 1: Same. I gave him a two because everybody I've talked
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  Speaker 1: about nobody, not one person's known this name.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'll say it. I'll say it three
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  Speaker 2: because you did enough research to find out about him
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  Speaker 2: if you didn't already know about him, and he has
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  Speaker 2: the potential to grow because maybe the next generation will
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  Speaker 2: be like, hey, this kid is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What about victim count?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Victim count, that's high. I would say a nine. Nine
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  Speaker 2: because he was so close to one hundred.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: That's true. So it's the most though in American history. Right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: if you don't if you would have got one hundred,
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  Speaker 1: then oh, if.
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  Speaker 2: You don't count when our president and the leaders did
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: on nine to eleven, su nickname, nickname, I already forgot
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  Speaker 2: what it was he didn't have a nickname. Again, one
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  Speaker 2: think of a cool nickname called like the choker, strangler
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  Speaker 2: man or something, you know, chokes and then looks. Chokes
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  Speaker 2: might be bad for like the reporters, right, like the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: b l T murderer, remember that one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, b t K.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I do love the thought that t K. Yeah, but
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I do love the b LT murder. Somebody would. So
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this is his looks pass. I gave him a two
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  Speaker 1: one looks.
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  Speaker 2: I bet he would be like a fun grandpa. This
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  Speaker 2: is when if he wasn't a murderer, you know. Yeah,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: now that's something.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: That's why I gave him a two.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, smash smash younger, smash pass older because he didn't
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: have all the baggage back then.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Well that's his first arrest, so he probably already killed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I'm.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Gonna put the pictures up to the ones I'm showing
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  Speaker 1: Jeff right here. So here's a picture.
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  Speaker 2: Of my dog. Hell yeah yeah, badass guess guts underscore
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  Speaker 2: the dog on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Well I guess. Until next time. I'm Andy Little.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you for having me. I'm a Jeff killer.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Jeff killer. Damn it. That was good. Do you have
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a catchphrase for signing off murdering the next time? It
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Toby Maguire, Toby nice, fucking Toby Maguire.
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