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S8, Ep 24: From Tattoo to Trout: Aaron Chine's Dual Passion for Art and Steelhead Guiding - The Articulate Fly · The Long Haul with The Articulate Fly

• 0:03
  Hey
• 0:04
  folks,
• 0:04
  it's
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  Marvin
• 0:05
  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  of
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  The
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  Articulate
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  Fly.
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  On
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  this
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  episode,
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
• 0:09
  Aaron
• 0:09
  Chine.
• 0:10
  I
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  first
• 0:10
  met
• 0:10
  Aaron
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  five
• 0:11
  or
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  six
• 0:11
  years
• 0:11
  ago
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  on
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  a
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  rainy
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  November
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  afternoon
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  on
• 0:14
  Steelhead
• 0:14
  Alley.
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  He
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  guides
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  for
• 0:16
  Steelhead
• 0:16
  Alley
• 0:17
  Outfitters
• 0:17
  and
• 0:17
  when
• 0:17
  he
• 0:17
  isn't
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  on
• 0:18
  the
• 0:18
  water,
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  is
• 0:19
  busy
• 0:19
  tattooing
• 0:19
  at
• 0:19
  The
• 0:19
  Box
• 0:19
  Gallery
• 0:20
  or
• 0:21
  painting
• 0:21
  in
• 0:21
  his
• 0:21
  studio.
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  Join
• 0:22
  us
• 0:23
  as
• 0:23
  Aaron
• 0:23
  shares
• 0:23
  his
• 0:23
  fishing
• 0:24
  and
• 0:24
  art
• 0:24
  journey
• 0:25
  and
• 0:25
  tells
• 0:25
  us
• 0:25
  what's
• 0:25
  next
• 0:26
  on
• 0:26
  the
• 0:26
  water
• 0:27
  and
• 0:27
  at
• 0:27
  the
• 0:27
  easel.
• 0:28
  I
• 0:28
  think
• 0:28
  you're
• 0:29
  really
• 0:29
  going
• 0:29
  to
• 0:29
  enjoy
• 0:29
  this
• 0:29
  one,
• 0:30
  but
• 0:30
  before
• 0:30
  we
• 0:30
  get
• 0:31
  to
• 0:31
  the
• 0:31
  interview,
• 0:31
  just
• 0:32
  a
• 0:32
  couple
• 0:32
  of
• 0:32
  housekeeping
• 0:32
  items.
• 0:33
  If
• 0:34
  you
• 0:34
  like
• 0:34
  the
• 0:34
  podcast,
• 0:35
  please
• 0:35
  tell
• 0:35
  a
• 0:36
  friend
• 0:36
  and
• 0:36
  subscribe
• 0:37
  and
• 0:37
  leave
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  us
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  a
• 0:37
  rating
• 0:37
  and
• 0:38
  review
• 0:38
  in
• 0:38
  the
• 0:38
  podcast
• 0:39
  app
• 0:39
  of
• 0:39
  your
• 0:39
  choice.
• 0:40
  In
• 0:40
  the
• 0:40
  age
• 0:40
  of
• 0:40
  AI,
• 0:41
  it's
• 0:41
  more
• 0:41
  important
• 0:41
  than
• 0:42
  ever
• 0:42
  and
• 0:42
  it
• 0:42
  really
• 0:43
  helps
• 0:43
  us
• 0:43
  out.
• 0:44
  And
• 0:44
  over
• 0:45
  the
• 0:45
  last
• 0:45
  eight
• 0:45
  years
• 0:45
  we've
• 0:46
  organically
• 0:46
  built
• 0:47
  that
• 0:47
  means
• 0:47
  we
• 0:47
  haven't
• 0:47
  purchased,
• 0:48
  likes
• 0:48
  or
• 0:48
  listens.
• 0:49
  A
• 0:49
  dedicated
• 0:50
  community
• 0:50
  of
• 0:50
  Fly
• 0:50
  anglers
• 0:51
  and
• 0:51
  tiers
• 0:51
  and
• 0:51
  have
• 0:52
  worked
• 0:52
  with
• 0:52
  some
• 0:52
  of
• 0:52
  the
• 0:52
  best
• 0:52
  brands
• 0:53
  in
• 0:53
  the
• 0:53
  business.
• 0:54
  If
• 0:54
  you
• 0:54
  think
• 0:54
  your
• 0:55
  community
• 0:55
  is
• 0:55
  a
• 0:55
  good
• 0:55
  fit
• 0:56
  for
• 0:56
  ours,
• 0:56
  you
• 0:57
  should
• 0:57
  consider
• 0:57
  advertising
• 0:58
  with
• 0:58
  us.
• 0:58
  Drop
• 0:59
  us
• 0:59
  a
• 0:59
  line
• 0:59
  and
• 0:59
  let's
• 1:00
  start
• 1:00
  a
• 1:00
  conversation
• 1:00
  today.
• 1:02
  And
• 1:02
  finally,
• 1:02
  as
• 1:02
  the
• 1:03
  season
• 1:03
  ramps
• 1:03
  up,
• 1:04
  just
• 1:04
  a
• 1:04
  reminder
• 1:04
  for
• 1:05
  our
• 1:05
  industry
• 1:05
  friends
• 1:05
  that
• 1:05
  The
• 1:06
  Articulate
• 1:06
  Fly
• 1:06
  offers
• 1:07
  consulting
• 1:07
  services.
• 1:08
  Whether
• 1:08
  you
• 1:09
  need
• 1:09
  help
• 1:09
  with
• 1:09
  strategic
• 1:10
  planning,
• 1:10
  help
• 1:10
  figuring
• 1:11
  out
• 1:11
  how
• 1:11
  AI
• 1:11
  can
• 1:11
  boost
• 1:11
  your
• 1:12
  bottom
• 1:12
  line,
• 1:12
  or
• 1:13
  just
• 1:13
  need
• 1:13
  help
• 1:13
  with
• 1:13
  some
• 1:13
  old
• 1:13
  school
• 1:14
  blocking
• 1:14
  and
• 1:14
  tackling,
• 1:15
  we
• 1:15
  would
• 1:15
  love
• 1:15
  to
• 1:16
  hear
• 1:16
  from
• 1:16
  you.
• 1:16
  Check
• 1:17
  out
• 1:17
  the
• 1:17
  link
• 1:17
  to
• 1:17
  our
• 1:18
  consulting
• 1:18
  page
• 1:18
  in
• 1:18
  the
• 1:19
  show
• 1:19
  Notes.
• 1:20
  Now
• 1:20
  on
• 1:21
  to
• 1:21
  our
• 1:21
  interview.
• 1:22
  Well,
• 1:22
  Aaron,
• 1:23
  welcome
• 1:23
  to
• 1:23
  The
• 1:23
  Articulate
• 1:24
  Fly.
• 1:25
  Yeah,
• 1:25
  thanks
• 1:26
  for
• 1:26
  having
• 1:26
  me,
• 1:26
  man.
• 1:26
  I'm
• 1:27
  looking
• 1:27
  forward
• 1:27
  to
• 1:27
  it.
• 1:28
  And
• 1:28
  you
• 1:28
  know,
• 1:28
  we
• 1:28
  like
• 1:28
  to
• 1:28
  ask
• 1:29
  all
• 1:29
  of
• 1:29
  our
• 1:29
  guests
• 1:29
  to
• 1:29
  share
• 1:30
  their
• 1:30
  earliest
• 1:30
  fishing
• 1:31
  memory.
• 1:33
  Oh,
• 1:33
  that
• 1:33
  would
• 1:33
  definitely
• 1:34
  be
• 1:34
  out
• 1:34
  on
• 1:35
  Lake
• 1:35
  Erie
• 1:36
  drifting
• 1:36
  for
• 1:36
  walleye
• 1:37
  with
• 1:37
  my
• 1:37
  dad
• 1:37
  and
• 1:37
  my
• 1:37
  brother.
• 1:38
  We
• 1:39
  started
• 1:39
  doing
• 1:39
  that
• 1:39
  when
• 1:39
  I
• 1:40
  was
• 1:40
  little,
• 1:40
  little
• 1:40
  kid,
• 1:41
  man.
• 1:41
  Some,
• 1:41
  some
• 1:41
  early,
• 1:42
  early
• 1:42
  memories
• 1:42
  doing
• 1:43
  that.
• 1:44
  Very,
• 1:44
  very
• 1:44
  neat.
• 1:45
  So
• 1:45
  when
• 1:45
  did
• 1:45
  you
• 1:45
  come
• 1:45
  to
• 1:45
  the
• 1:46
  dark
• 1:46
  side
• 1:46
  of
• 1:46
  fly
• 1:46
  fishing?
• 1:47
  Yeah,
• 1:48
  I,
• 1:49
  I
• 1:49
  would
• 1:49
  say
• 1:50
  I
• 1:50
  was
• 1:50
  probably
• 1:50
  like
• 1:51
  11
• 1:51
  or
• 1:51
  12
• 1:52
  somewhere
• 1:52
  in
• 1:53
  that
• 1:53
  area.
• 1:53
  And
• 1:54
  I,
• 1:54
  I
• 1:55
  had
• 1:55
  a
• 1:55
  buddy
• 1:55
  who
• 1:55
  had,
• 1:55
  he
• 1:56
  was
• 1:56
  a
• 1:56
  couple
• 1:56
  years
• 1:56
  older
• 1:56
  than
• 1:57
  me,
• 1:57
  had
• 1:57
  his
• 1:57
  license.
• 1:57
  So
• 1:58
  we
• 1:58
  would
• 1:58
  go,
• 1:58
  we
• 1:58
  would
• 1:58
  find
• 1:58
  our
• 1:59
  way
• 1:59
  down
• 1:59
  to
• 2:00
  Valant
• 2:00
  Ashana
• 2:01
  Creek
• 2:01
  just
• 2:02
  across
• 2:02
  the
• 2:02
  border
• 2:02
  into
• 2:03
  Pennsylvania.
• 2:04
  Pretty
• 2:04
  cool
• 2:04
  little
• 2:04
  trout
• 2:05
  stream.
• 2:06
  And
• 2:06
  that
• 2:06
  week
• 2:07
  I
• 2:07
  met
• 2:07
  a
• 2:07
  guy
• 2:07
  named
• 2:07
  Bob
• 2:08
  Schue
• 2:08
  who
• 2:08
  owned
• 2:08
  the
• 2:09
  shop
• 2:09
  down
• 2:09
  there.
• 2:09
  And
• 2:09
  he
• 2:09
  was,
• 2:10
  you
• 2:10
  know,
• 2:11
  super
• 2:11
  cool
• 2:11
  to
• 2:11
  young
• 2:12
  kids
• 2:12
  that
• 2:12
  were
• 2:12
  down
• 2:12
  there
• 2:12
  exploring
• 2:13
  and
• 2:13
  kind
• 2:14
  of
• 2:14
  got
• 2:14
  us
• 2:14
  into.
• 2:14
  The
• 2:14
  fly
• 2:14
  fishing
• 2:15
  world
• 2:17
  very
• 2:17
  Very
• 2:17
  neat.
• 2:18
  And
• 2:18
  so,
• 2:18
  you
• 2:18
  know,
• 2:18
  as
• 2:18
  you
• 2:19
  kind
• 2:19
  of
• 2:19
  walk
• 2:20
  down
• 2:20
  the
• 2:20
  path
• 2:20
  on
• 2:20
  the
• 2:21
  dark
• 2:21
  side.
• 2:21
  Who
• 2:21
  are
• 2:21
  some
• 2:21
  of
• 2:22
  the
• 2:22
  folks
• 2:22
  that
• 2:22
  kind
• 2:22
  of
• 2:22
  mentored
• 2:23
  you
• 2:23
  on
• 2:23
  your
• 2:23
  fly
• 2:23
  fishing
• 2:24
  journey?
• 2:24
  What'd
• 2:24
  they
• 2:24
  teach
• 2:25
  you?
• 2:26
  Yeah,
• 2:26
  probably
• 2:27
  one
• 2:27
  of
• 2:28
  my
• 2:28
  earliest
• 2:28
  mentors
• 2:29
  was,
• 2:29
  was
• 2:29
  a
• 2:29
  kid
• 2:30
  named
• 2:30
  Travis
• 2:31
  McAllister.
• 2:32
  He
• 2:32
  worked
• 2:33
  for
• 2:33
  Captain
• 2:33
  Don
• 2:34
  Matthews.
• 2:34
  I
• 2:35
  think
• 2:35
  they,
• 2:35
  I
• 2:36
  think
• 2:36
  it
• 2:36
  was
• 2:36
  Deficient
• 2:36
  fool
• 2:37
  they
• 2:37
  went
• 2:37
  by.
• 2:38
  It
• 2:38
  was
• 2:38
  one
• 2:38
  of
• 2:38
  the
• 2:39
  earlier
• 2:39
  outfitters
• 2:39
  over
• 2:40
  here
• 2:41
  and
• 2:41
  I
• 2:42
  met
• 2:42
  him.
• 2:42
  I
• 2:42
  was
• 2:42
  looking
• 2:43
  for
• 2:43
  a
• 2:43
  john
• 2:43
  boat.
• 2:43
  I
• 2:44
  posted
• 2:44
  on
• 2:44
  Facebook
• 2:44
  or
• 2:45
  something
• 2:45
  like
• 2:45
  looking,
• 2:45
  you
• 2:45
  know,
• 2:45
  looking
• 2:46
  to
• 2:46
  buy
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  john
• 2:46
  boat.
• 2:47
  I
• 2:47
  wanted
• 2:47
  to
• 2:47
  put
• 2:47
  a
• 2:48
  flat
• 2:48
  on
• 2:48
  the
• 2:48
  top
• 2:48
  and
• 2:48
  make
• 2:49
  it
• 2:49
  like
• 2:49
  a
• 2:49
  casting
• 2:50
  platform
• 2:50
  for
• 2:50
  fishing
• 2:51
  for
• 2:51
  muskie
• 2:52
  and
• 2:53
  his.
• 2:53
  I
• 2:54
  think
• 2:54
  his
• 2:54
  wife
• 2:54
  posted
• 2:55
  like
• 2:55
  my,
• 2:55
  my
• 2:55
  husband's
• 2:55
  got
• 2:55
  a
• 2:56
  couple
• 2:56
  john
• 2:56
  boats,
• 2:56
  you
• 2:57
  can
• 2:57
  come
• 2:57
  over
• 2:57
  and
• 2:57
  check
• 2:57
  them
• 2:57
  out.
• 2:58
  And
• 2:58
  ran
• 2:59
  over
• 2:59
  and
• 2:59
  was
• 2:59
  looking
• 3:00
  at
• 3:00
  him
• 3:00
  and
• 3:01
  yeah,
• 3:02
  we
• 3:02
  became
• 3:02
  pretty
• 3:03
  good
• 3:03
  buddies,
• 3:03
  pretty
• 3:04
  quick
• 3:04
  buddies.
• 3:04
  And
• 3:04
  he
• 3:04
  really
• 3:05
  taught
• 3:05
  me
• 3:05
  a
• 3:05
  lot
• 3:05
  about
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  steelhead
• 3:06
  fishing
• 3:06
  and
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  steelhead
• 3:07
  fishery
• 3:07
  up
• 3:07
  there.
• 3:09
  He
• 3:09
  was
• 3:09
  probably,
• 3:10
  he
• 3:10
  was
• 3:10
  probably
• 3:10
  my
• 3:11
  earliest
• 3:11
  guy
• 3:12
  that
• 3:12
  really
• 3:12
  showed
• 3:12
  me
• 3:13
  quite
• 3:13
  a
• 3:13
  bit
• 3:13
  of
• 3:13
  the
• 3:13
  alley.
• 3:14
  And
• 3:14
  then
• 3:15
  Jeff,
• 3:15
  Jeff
• 3:15
  Blood
• 3:16
  really
• 3:16
  took
• 3:16
  me.
• 3:16
  I
• 3:17
  was
• 3:17
  fortunate
• 3:17
  enough
• 3:17
  he
• 3:17
  took
• 3:17
  me
• 3:17
  under
• 3:18
  his
• 3:18
  wing
• 3:18
  and
• 3:18
  showed
• 3:18
  me
• 3:18
  a
• 3:18
  ton
• 3:19
  of.
• 3:19
  Ton
• 3:19
  of
• 3:19
  really,
• 3:20
  really
• 3:20
  cool
• 3:20
  stuff
• 3:21
  and
• 3:21
  really
• 3:21
  helped
• 3:21
  me
• 3:22
  out
• 3:22
  on
• 3:22
  that
• 3:23
  journey.
• 3:24
  Yeah,
• 3:24
  he's
• 3:24
  the,
• 3:24
  he's
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  O.G.
• 3:26
  You
• 3:26
  know,
• 3:26
  I
• 3:26
  did
• 3:26
  a
• 3:26
  two
• 3:27
  part
• 3:27
  interview
• 3:27
  with
• 3:27
  him
• 3:27
  a
• 3:28
  few
• 3:28
  years
• 3:28
  ago
• 3:28
  and
• 3:28
  dude,
• 3:29
  it
• 3:29
  blows
• 3:29
  up
• 3:29
  every
• 3:30
  steelhead
• 3:30
  season.
• 3:31
  Yeah.
• 3:32
  Yeah,
• 3:32
  he's
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  man.
• 3:32
  He's
• 3:33
  awesome.
• 3:33
  I
• 3:33
  still
• 3:33
  fish
• 3:33
  wet.
• 3:34
  You
• 3:34
  know,
• 3:34
  we
• 3:34
  don't
• 3:34
  get
• 3:34
  to
• 3:34
  fish
• 3:34
  together
• 3:35
  quite
• 3:35
  as
• 3:35
  bit,
• 3:35
  you
• 3:36
  know,
• 3:36
  quite
• 3:36
  as
• 3:36
  much
• 3:36
  as
• 3:36
  we
• 3:36
  used
• 3:37
  to.
• 3:37
  We're
• 3:37
  both
• 3:37
  pretty
• 3:37
  busy
• 3:38
  during
• 3:38
  season
• 3:38
  but
• 3:39
  we
• 3:39
  always
• 3:39
  try
• 3:40
  to
• 3:40
  find
• 3:40
  a
• 3:40
  day
• 3:40
  or
• 3:40
  two
• 3:40
  where
• 3:40
  me
• 3:41
  and
• 3:41
  him
• 3:41
  just
• 3:41
  get
• 3:41
  to
• 3:41
  go
• 3:41
  out
• 3:42
  and
• 3:42
  fish
• 3:42
  and
• 3:43
  it's
• 3:43
  cool
• 3:43
  to
• 3:44
  see
• 3:44
  how
• 3:44
  recognized
• 3:44
  he
• 3:45
  is
• 3:45
  on
• 3:45
  the
• 3:45
  rivers
• 3:45
  and
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  know,
• 3:46
  people
• 3:46
  stop
• 3:46
  fishing,
• 3:47
  come
• 3:47
  over
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  just
• 3:47
  take
• 3:47
  pictures
• 3:48
  with
• 3:48
  him
• 3:48
  and
• 3:48
  stuff
• 3:48
  and
• 3:49
  it's
• 3:49
  really
• 3:49
  cool.
• 3:50
  He's.
• 3:50
  He's
• 3:50
  just
• 3:50
  a
• 3:50
  great
• 3:51
  guy.
• 3:51
  Yeah,
• 3:52
  it's
• 3:52
  interesting.
• 3:52
  I
• 3:52
  mean
• 3:52
  it's
• 3:53
  been
• 3:55
  a
• 3:55
  million
• 3:56
  years
• 3:56
  ago
• 3:56
  since
• 3:56
  I
• 3:57
  fished
• 3:57
  with
• 3:57
  him.
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  was
• 3:57
  lucky
• 3:58
  enough
• 3:58
  the,
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  shop
• 4:00
  here
• 4:00
  in
• 4:00
  Charlotte.
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  don't
• 4:01
  know,
• 4:01
  not
• 4:01
  too
• 4:02
  long
• 4:02
  after
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  got
• 4:02
  into
• 4:02
  fly
• 4:03
  fishing
• 4:03
  maybe
• 4:03
  four
• 4:04
  or
• 4:04
  five
• 4:04
  years.
• 4:06
  That
• 4:06
  was
• 4:06
  back
• 4:06
  when
• 4:07
  Jeff
• 4:07
  was
• 4:07
  with
• 4:07
  frog
• 4:07
  hair
• 4:08
  and
• 4:08
  there
• 4:08
  was
• 4:08
  like
• 4:08
  a
• 4:08
  frog
• 4:09
  hair
• 4:09
  regal
• 4:09
  trip
• 4:10
  that
• 4:10
  was
• 4:10
  in
• 4:10
  kind
• 4:11
  of
• 4:11
  housed
• 4:11
  in
• 4:11
  Fredonia,
• 4:12
  New
• 4:13
  York.
• 4:14
  And
• 4:14
  I
• 4:15
  can
• 4:15
  remember
• 4:15
  going
• 4:15
  up
• 4:15
  there
• 4:15
  and
• 4:16
  fishing
• 4:16
  for
• 4:16
  two
• 4:16
  or
• 4:16
  three
• 4:17
  days.
• 4:17
  I
• 4:17
  think
• 4:17
  we
• 4:17
  fished
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  cat
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  whole
• 4:19
  time.
• 4:20
  He
• 4:20
  loves
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  cat.
• 4:21
  Yeah,
• 4:21
  the.
• 4:22
  That
• 4:22
  shale
• 4:22
  is
• 4:22
  Pretty
• 4:23
  damn
• 4:23
  slick,
• 4:23
  though.
• 4:24
  Yeah,
• 4:25
  no
• 4:25
  doubt.
• 4:25
  Did
• 4:25
  you
• 4:25
  go
• 4:25
  down?
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  did.
• 4:26
  I
• 4:27
  went
• 4:27
  down
• 4:27
  and,
• 4:27
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:28
  almost
• 4:29
  punched
• 4:29
  a
• 4:29
  couple
• 4:30
  Canadian
• 4:30
  center
• 4:30
  pinners
• 4:31
  who
• 4:31
  wouldn't
• 4:31
  reel
• 4:31
  up
• 4:31
  when
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  had
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  really
• 4:32
  big
• 4:32
  fish
• 4:33
  on.
• 4:34
  Yeah,
• 4:34
  that
• 4:34
  sounds
• 4:35
  like
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  cat
• 4:36
  for
• 4:36
  sure.
• 4:36
  Yeah.
• 4:37
  So
• 4:37
  it's
• 4:37
  kind
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  funny,
• 4:38
  right?
• 4:38
  So
• 4:39
  you
• 4:39
  got
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  guide
• 4:39
  bug.
• 4:40
  When
• 4:40
  did
• 4:40
  that
• 4:40
  happen?
• 4:43
  Well,
• 4:43
  I.
• 4:43
  I
• 4:44
  was,
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  know,
• 4:44
  just.
• 4:45
  I
• 4:45
  probably
• 4:45
  like
• 4:45
  most
• 4:46
  people,
• 4:46
  I.
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  just
• 4:46
  kind
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  started
• 4:47
  posting
• 4:47
  some
• 4:48
  pictures
• 4:48
  and
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  was,
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  know,
• 4:48
  signing
• 4:49
  some.
• 4:49
  Some
• 4:49
  success
• 4:50
  for
• 4:50
  myself
• 4:51
  in
• 4:51
  this,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:52
  know,
• 4:52
  steelhead
• 4:52
  fishing
• 4:52
  world
• 4:53
  and
• 4:53
  catching
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  bunch
• 4:53
  of
• 4:54
  fish
• 4:54
  and
• 4:54
  just
• 4:55
  kind
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  figuring
• 4:55
  out
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  fishery
• 4:56
  for
• 4:56
  myself.
• 4:57
  And
• 4:58
  just
• 4:58
  social
• 4:58
  media
• 4:58
  wise
• 4:59
  guys
• 4:59
  would
• 4:59
  just
• 4:59
  start
• 4:59
  reaching
• 5:00
  out,
• 5:00
  like,
• 5:00
  hey,
• 5:00
  man,
• 5:00
  where
• 5:00
  are
• 5:00
  you
• 5:01
  fishing?
• 5:01
  You
• 5:01
  know,
• 5:01
  that
• 5:01
  kind
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  thing.
• 5:02
  And.
• 5:03
  And
• 5:03
  then
• 5:03
  it
• 5:03
  kind
• 5:03
  of
• 5:04
  just
• 5:05
  kind
• 5:05
  of
• 5:05
  got
• 5:05
  in
• 5:05
  my
• 5:05
  head,
• 5:06
  like,
• 5:06
  wow,
• 5:06
  man,
• 5:06
  maybe
• 5:06
  there
• 5:07
  is,
• 5:07
  you
• 5:07
  know,
• 5:07
  money
• 5:07
  to
• 5:08
  be
• 5:08
  made
• 5:08
  doing
• 5:08
  this,
• 5:08
  and
• 5:08
  how.
• 5:09
  How
• 5:09
  could
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  spend
• 5:10
  a
• 5:10
  bunch
• 5:10
  of
• 5:10
  time
• 5:10
  up
• 5:11
  there
• 5:11
  without
• 5:11
  my
• 5:11
  wife
• 5:12
  wanting
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  murder
• 5:12
  me?
• 5:14
  So
• 5:15
  making
• 5:15
  money,
• 5:15
  doing
• 5:16
  it
• 5:16
  definitely
• 5:16
  was.
• 5:17
  Was
• 5:17
  something
• 5:18
  that
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  was
• 5:18
  really
• 5:18
  interested
• 5:19
  in.
• 5:19
  And
• 5:19
  I
• 5:20
  ran
• 5:20
  into
• 5:20
  Justin
• 5:21
  Shalacy
• 5:22
  up
• 5:22
  on
• 5:22
  the.
• 5:22
  On
• 5:23
  Conneaut
• 5:23
  Creek
• 5:23
  one
• 5:24
  day.
• 5:24
  I
• 5:24
  was
• 5:24
  just
• 5:24
  out
• 5:25
  fun
• 5:25
  fishing
• 5:25
  around,
• 5:25
  and
• 5:26
  I
• 5:26
  think
• 5:26
  he
• 5:26
  was
• 5:26
  scouting
• 5:27
  water
• 5:27
  for
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  trip
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  next
• 5:28
  day.
• 5:28
  And
• 5:29
  we
• 5:29
  ran
• 5:29
  into
• 5:29
  each
• 5:30
  other
• 5:30
  and
• 5:30
  just
• 5:30
  started
• 5:30
  bullshitting
• 5:31
  on
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  side
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  river
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  ended
• 5:33
  up
• 5:33
  fishing
• 5:33
  together
• 5:33
  that
• 5:33
  day.
• 5:34
  Exchanged
• 5:34
  numbers
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  kind
• 5:35
  of
• 5:35
  became
• 5:35
  buddies
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  did
• 5:36
  a
• 5:36
  little
• 5:37
  bit
• 5:37
  of
• 5:37
  fishing
• 5:37
  together
• 5:37
  here
• 5:38
  and
• 5:38
  there.
• 5:39
  And
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  was
• 5:39
  right
• 5:39
  around
• 5:39
  the
• 5:40
  time
• 5:40
  that
• 5:41
  he.
• 5:41
  He
• 5:41
  bought
• 5:42
  him
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  Patrick
• 5:43
  took
• 5:43
  over.
• 5:43
  Still
• 5:44
  had
• 5:44
  alley
• 5:44
  outfitters
• 5:45
  from
• 5:45
  Senyo.
• 5:46
  And
• 5:46
  as
• 5:47
  soon
• 5:47
  as
• 5:47
  Shalacy
• 5:47
  came
• 5:48
  on,
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  was
• 5:48
  one
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  the
• 5:49
  first
• 5:49
  thing
• 5:49
  he
• 5:49
  did,
• 5:49
  was
• 5:49
  reach
• 5:50
  out
• 5:50
  to
• 5:50
  me
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  ask
• 5:50
  me
• 5:50
  to
• 5:50
  come
• 5:51
  on
• 5:51
  staff.
• 5:51
  So
• 5:51
  that
• 5:52
  was.
• 5:52
  That
• 5:52
  was
• 5:52
  kind
• 5:52
  of
• 5:53
  the
• 5:54
  start
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  it
• 5:54
  for
• 5:54
  me.
• 5:55
  Yeah,
• 5:55
  it's
• 5:56
  kind
• 5:56
  of
• 5:56
  like
• 5:56
  getting
• 5:56
  made
• 5:56
  in
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  mafia,
• 5:57
  right?
• 5:58
  Yeah,
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  really
• 5:59
  was.
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  always
• 5:59
  tell.
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  would
• 6:00
  make
• 6:00
  the
• 6:00
  joke.
• 6:00
  I
• 6:01
  tell
• 6:01
  my
• 6:01
  wife,
• 6:01
  like,
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  was
• 6:01
  standing
• 6:02
  next
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  my
• 6:02
  son's
• 6:02
  crib.
• 6:03
  We
• 6:03
  just
• 6:03
  had
• 6:03
  my
• 6:04
  son.
• 6:04
  He
• 6:04
  was
• 6:04
  like
• 6:04
  six
• 6:04
  months
• 6:05
  old.
• 6:05
  And
• 6:05
  Shalacy
• 6:06
  called,
• 6:06
  and
• 6:06
  I
• 6:07
  was
• 6:07
  like,
• 6:07
  standing
• 6:07
  next
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  Lou's
• 6:08
  crib,
• 6:08
  and
• 6:08
  he
• 6:08
  was
• 6:09
  like,
• 6:09
  dude,
• 6:09
  you
• 6:09
  want
• 6:09
  to
• 6:09
  come
• 6:09
  on
• 6:09
  staff?
• 6:10
  And
• 6:10
  I
• 6:10
  was
• 6:10
  like,
• 6:11
  yes,
• 6:11
  I
• 6:11
  do.
• 6:12
  I'll
• 6:13
  never
• 6:13
  forget
• 6:13
  that
• 6:13
  moment.
• 6:14
  It
• 6:14
  was
• 6:14
  really
• 6:14
  rad.
• 6:15
  Very,
• 6:15
  very
• 6:16
  cool.
• 6:16
  And
• 6:16
  so,
• 6:16
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  that's
• 6:17
  a
• 6:18
  totally
• 6:18
  different
• 6:18
  game.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:19
  it's
• 6:19
  kind
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  interesting
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  way
• 6:19
  you
• 6:20
  guys
• 6:20
  do
• 6:20
  it
• 6:20
  at
• 6:20
  SAO
• 6:21
  where,
• 6:21
  you
• 6:21
  know,
• 6:21
  you
• 6:22
  guys
• 6:22
  kind
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  have
• 6:22
  your
• 6:22
  home
• 6:23
  waters
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  then
• 6:23
  you
• 6:24
  kind
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  share
• 6:24
  information
• 6:25
  kind
• 6:25
  of
• 6:25
  based
• 6:25
  on,
• 6:26
  you
• 6:26
  know,
• 6:26
  where
• 6:27
  you're
• 6:27
  fishing
• 6:27
  and
• 6:27
  how
• 6:27
  many
• 6:27
  folks
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  have.
• 6:28
  But,
• 6:29
  you
• 6:29
  know,
• 6:29
  who
• 6:29
  are
• 6:29
  some
• 6:29
  of
• 6:30
  the
• 6:30
  folks
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  kind
• 6:30
  of
• 6:30
  helped
• 6:31
  you
• 6:31
  grow
• 6:31
  as
• 6:31
  a
• 6:31
  guide
• 6:32
  when
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  kind
• 6:32
  of
• 6:32
  became
• 6:32
  official?
• 6:34
  Yeah,
• 6:34
  when
• 6:34
  I
• 6:35
  came
• 6:35
  on
• 6:35
  staff,
• 6:36
  probably
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  person
• 6:37
  that
• 6:38
  really
• 6:38
  helped
• 6:38
  me
• 6:38
  out
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  most
• 6:39
  was
• 6:39
  Nate
• 6:39
  Miller.
• 6:40
  He's
• 6:40
  still
• 6:40
  our
• 6:40
  guide
• 6:41
  coordinator,
• 6:42
  but
• 6:42
  he
• 6:42
  was
• 6:42
  really
• 6:43
  active
• 6:43
  on
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  water
• 6:43
  at
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  time,
• 6:44
  and
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  did
• 6:44
  a
• 6:44
  bunch
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  shadowing
• 6:45
  with
• 6:45
  him.
• 6:46
  Steelhead
• 6:47
  Alley
• 6:47
  Outfitters
• 6:48
  had
• 6:48
  a
• 6:49
  bunch
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  different
• 6:49
  guys
• 6:49
  on
• 6:50
  staff
• 6:50
  at
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  time.
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  was
• 6:51
  fortunate
• 6:51
  enough
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  come
• 6:51
  on,
• 6:52
  you
• 6:52
  know,
• 6:53
  before
• 6:53
  a
• 6:53
  lot
• 6:53
  of
• 6:53
  these
• 6:53
  guys
• 6:53
  left
• 6:54
  to
• 6:54
  go
• 6:54
  and
• 6:54
  do
• 6:54
  their
• 6:54
  own
• 6:54
  things.
• 6:55
  You
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  Dan
• 6:55
  Bennett,
• 6:56
  who's
• 6:56
  out
• 6:56
  Florida
• 6:57
  doing
• 6:57
  saltwater
• 6:57
  stuff,
• 6:57
  he
• 6:58
  was
• 6:58
  out
• 6:58
  doing
• 6:59
  smallmouth
• 6:59
  stuff
• 6:59
  with
• 7:00
  Schultze.
• 7:00
  I
• 7:01
  got
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  shadow
• 7:01
  with
• 7:02
  him.
• 7:04
  And
• 7:04
  Nate
• 7:04
  Miller
• 7:05
  really
• 7:05
  took
• 7:05
  me
• 7:05
  under
• 7:05
  his
• 7:05
  wing
• 7:06
  and
• 7:06
  let
• 7:06
  me,
• 7:06
  you
• 7:06
  know,
• 7:06
  follow
• 7:07
  behind
• 7:07
  him
• 7:07
  and
• 7:07
  shown
• 7:08
  me
• 7:08
  a
• 7:08
  bunch
• 7:08
  of
• 7:08
  water
• 7:08
  that
• 7:09
  I'm
• 7:09
  sure
• 7:09
  at
• 7:09
  first
• 7:09
  he
• 7:09
  was,
• 7:10
  like,
• 7:10
  a
• 7:10
  little
• 7:10
  skeptical
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  share,
• 7:11
  you
• 7:12
  know,
• 7:12
  with
• 7:12
  some
• 7:12
  new
• 7:12
  guy.
• 7:14
  So,
• 7:14
  yeah,
• 7:14
  those.
• 7:15
  Those
• 7:15
  guys
• 7:15
  really
• 7:15
  helped
• 7:16
  me
• 7:16
  out
• 7:16
  quite
• 7:16
  a
• 7:16
  bit.
• 7:16
  Coming
• 7:17
  on.
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  still.
• 7:19
  You
• 7:19
  know,
• 7:19
  Nate's
• 7:19
  still
• 7:19
  one
• 7:20
  of
• 7:20
  my
• 7:20
  good
• 7:20
  buddies.
• 7:20
  Anytime
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  get
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  chance,
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  still
• 7:21
  fish
• 7:22
  together,
• 7:22
  but
• 7:23
  just.
• 7:23
  Just
• 7:24
  a
• 7:25
  wealth
• 7:25
  of
• 7:25
  information,
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  know,
• 7:26
  he
• 7:26
  knows.
• 7:27
  He's.
• 7:27
  He
• 7:27
  knows
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  water
• 7:28
  so
• 7:28
  well
• 7:28
  each
• 7:29
  river,
• 7:30
  and
• 7:30
  he
• 7:30
  just
• 7:30
  knows
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  fishery
• 7:31
  and
• 7:31
  steelhead,
• 7:31
  how
• 7:32
  they
• 7:32
  behave
• 7:32
  so
• 7:33
  well.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:33
  I.
• 7:33
  I
• 7:34
  still
• 7:34
  learn
• 7:34
  from
• 7:34
  him
• 7:34
  anytime
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  get
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  fish
• 7:35
  with
• 7:36
  him.
• 7:36
  Yeah.
• 7:36
  And
• 7:36
  he
• 7:36
  swears
• 7:37
  a
• 7:37
  lot,
• 7:37
  too,
• 7:37
  right.
• 7:39
  Nate
• 7:39
  is
• 7:40
  as.
• 7:40
  As
• 7:40
  straight
• 7:41
  as
• 7:41
  they
• 7:41
  come,
• 7:41
  man.
• 7:41
  So.
• 7:42
  Yeah,
• 7:42
  I
• 7:42
  always
• 7:42
  try
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  watch
• 7:42
  my
• 7:43
  P's
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  Q's
• 7:43
  when
• 7:43
  I'm
• 7:43
  around
• 7:44
  Nate.
• 7:44
  Yeah.
• 7:45
  Shucks
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  darn.
• 7:46
  Yeah.
• 7:46
  I
• 7:47
  always
• 7:47
  end
• 7:47
  up
• 7:47
  apologizing
• 7:48
  quite
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  bit
• 7:48
  for
• 7:48
  my.
• 7:48
  For
• 7:49
  my
• 7:49
  swears
• 7:49
  when
• 7:50
  I'm
• 7:50
  with
• 7:50
  Nate.
• 7:50
  Yeah.
• 7:51
  And
• 7:51
  Patrick.
• 7:52
  Yeah.
• 7:52
  Yeah.
• 7:52
  It's.
• 7:53
  It's
• 7:53
  funny
• 7:53
  because
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  guess
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  think
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  first
• 7:54
  time
• 7:55
  we
• 7:55
  met
• 7:55
  was
• 7:55
  kind
• 7:56
  of
• 7:56
  when
• 7:56
  we
• 7:56
  got
• 7:56
  rained
• 7:57
  out
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  afternoon,
• 7:57
  and
• 7:58
  everyone
• 7:58
  was
• 7:58
  kind
• 7:58
  of
• 7:58
  soaked
• 7:59
  and
• 8:00
  drying
• 8:00
  out.
• 8:01
  I
• 8:01
  can't
• 8:01
  remember
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  name
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  that
• 8:02
  tavern
• 8:02
  we
• 8:03
  all
• 8:03
  ended
• 8:03
  up.
• 8:03
  We
• 8:04
  went
• 8:04
  to,
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  Home
• 8:04
  Tavern.
• 8:05
  Yeah.
• 8:05
  And
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  remember.
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  think.
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  think
• 8:06
  you
• 8:07
  had
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  commission
• 8:07
  for.
• 8:08
  For
• 8:08
  Steven
• 8:09
  that
• 8:09
  you
• 8:10
  gave
• 8:10
  him
• 8:11
  when
• 8:11
  we
• 8:11
  were
• 8:11
  there,
• 8:11
  if
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  remember
• 8:12
  correctly.
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  did.
• 8:13
  Yeah.
• 8:14
  It
• 8:14
  was.
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  think
• 8:14
  it
• 8:14
  was
• 8:14
  a
• 8:15
  fish
• 8:15
  that
• 8:15
  he
• 8:15
  caught
• 8:15
  in
• 8:15
  one
• 8:16
  on
• 8:16
  one
• 8:16
  of
• 8:16
  his
• 8:16
  trips
• 8:16
  to
• 8:16
  Patagonia.
• 8:18
  And
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  was
• 8:19
  really
• 8:19
  kind
• 8:19
  of
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  start
• 8:20
  of
• 8:20
  when
• 8:21
  people
• 8:21
  were
• 8:21
  like,
• 8:21
  oh,
• 8:22
  wow,
• 8:22
  cool.
• 8:22
  Like,
• 8:22
  I'm
• 8:22
  gonna.
• 8:22
  I
• 8:23
  could
• 8:23
  send
• 8:23
  you
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  picture
• 8:23
  of
• 8:24
  a
• 8:24
  fish
• 8:24
  that
• 8:24
  I
• 8:24
  caught,
• 8:24
  you
• 8:25
  know,
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  could
• 8:25
  do
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  replica
• 8:26
  on
• 8:27
  canvas
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  it.
• 8:28
  So,
• 8:28
  yeah,
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  one
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  Did
• 8:29
  for
• 8:29
  Steven
• 8:29
  was
• 8:29
  really
• 8:30
  cool,
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  I
• 8:30
  got
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  give
• 8:30
  it
• 8:30
  to
• 8:31
  him
• 8:31
  in
• 8:31
  front
• 8:31
  of.
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  think
• 8:31
  that
• 8:31
  was
• 8:32
  the.
• 8:32
  What
• 8:32
  was
• 8:32
  that?
• 8:32
  The
• 8:32
  Norvice
• 8:33
  group
• 8:33
  trip?
• 8:33
  Yeah,
• 8:34
  it
• 8:34
  was.
• 8:34
  There
• 8:34
  were
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  lot
• 8:34
  of
• 8:35
  folks
• 8:35
  in
• 8:35
  there.
• 8:36
  Yeah.
• 8:36
  Like,
• 8:36
  Braden
• 8:37
  Miller
• 8:37
  was
• 8:37
  there,
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  all
• 8:37
  the.
• 8:38
  You
• 8:38
  know,
• 8:38
  Tim
• 8:38
  and
• 8:38
  all
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  Norvice
• 8:39
  people.
• 8:39
  So.
• 8:40
  Yeah,
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  was
• 8:40
  a
• 8:40
  really
• 8:40
  cool
• 8:40
  one.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  think
• 8:42
  the
• 8:42
  next
• 8:42
  painting
• 8:42
  I
• 8:42
  ended
• 8:42
  up
• 8:43
  doing
• 8:43
  was
• 8:43
  for
• 8:43
  Tim
• 8:44
  in
• 8:44
  trade
• 8:44
  for
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  Norvice
• 8:45
  setup,
• 8:46
  a
• 8:46
  big
• 8:46
  steelhead
• 8:47
  painting.
• 8:47
  So,
• 8:47
  yeah,
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  kind
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  like
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  really
• 8:49
  cool
• 8:49
  kick
• 8:49
  off
• 8:49
  of
• 8:50
  it.
• 8:50
  Yeah.
• 8:50
  So
• 8:51
  what
• 8:51
  color
• 8:51
  is
• 8:51
  your
• 8:51
  Norweiss?
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  got
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  green
• 8:53
  one
• 8:54
  with
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  silver
• 8:54
  accents.
• 8:56
  Yeah,
• 8:56
  it's
• 8:56
  like
• 8:56
  a
• 8:56
  dark.
• 8:57
  Like
• 8:57
  a
• 8:57
  hunter
• 8:57
  green
• 8:58
  with
• 8:58
  silver
• 8:58
  on
• 8:59
  it.
• 8:59
  Yeah,
• 9:00
  very,
• 9:00
  very
• 9:00
  neat.
• 9:00
  So
• 9:00
  that's
• 9:01
  probably
• 9:01
  been
• 9:02
  five
• 9:02
  or
• 9:02
  six
• 9:03
  years
• 9:03
  ago.
• 9:03
  So
• 9:04
  I'll
• 9:05
  ask
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  the
• 9:05
  next
• 9:05
  question,
• 9:06
  which
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  always
• 9:06
  like
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  ask
• 9:06
  guides.
• 9:07
  You
• 9:07
  know,
• 9:07
  what
• 9:08
  do
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  think's
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  secret
• 9:08
  to
• 9:09
  being
• 9:09
  a
• 9:09
  good
• 9:09
  guide?
• 9:11
  Oh,
• 9:11
  geez.
• 9:12
  Honestly,
• 9:12
  for
• 9:13
  me,
• 9:13
  in.
• 9:14
  In.
• 9:14
  I
• 9:15
  think
• 9:15
  it's
• 9:15
  been
• 9:15
  proven
• 9:15
  this
• 9:16
  season,
• 9:16
  and,
• 9:16
  you
• 9:17
  know,
• 9:17
  in
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  fall
• 9:17
  last
• 9:18
  year,
• 9:18
  with
• 9:19
  tougher,
• 9:19
  you
• 9:19
  know,
• 9:20
  tougher
• 9:20
  seasons
• 9:20
  and
• 9:21
  more
• 9:21
  fish
• 9:21
  kind
• 9:21
  of
• 9:22
  spread
• 9:22
  out,
• 9:22
  not
• 9:22
  having,
• 9:23
  like,
• 9:23
  crazy
• 9:23
  number
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  games
• 9:24
  is
• 9:24
  just
• 9:24
  showing
• 9:24
  people
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  good
• 9:25
  time.
• 9:26
  You
• 9:26
  know,
• 9:26
  for.
• 9:27
  For
• 9:27
  us,
• 9:27
  I
• 9:27
  think
• 9:27
  we
• 9:28
  get
• 9:28
  really
• 9:28
  caught
• 9:28
  up.
• 9:28
  I
• 9:29
  don't
• 9:29
  think
• 9:29
  it.
• 9:29
  I
• 9:29
  know
• 9:29
  it.
• 9:29
  We
• 9:30
  get
• 9:30
  caught
• 9:30
  up
• 9:30
  with
• 9:30
  our
• 9:30
  egos
• 9:31
  of
• 9:31
  like,
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  want
• 9:31
  to
• 9:31
  put
• 9:31
  100
• 9:32
  fish
• 9:32
  in
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  bag
• 9:32
  for
• 9:32
  this
• 9:33
  guy
• 9:33
  today.
• 9:33
  You
• 9:33
  know,
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  really
• 9:34
  want
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  show
• 9:35
  people
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  good
• 9:35
  time,
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  you
• 9:36
  want
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  kind
• 9:36
  of,
• 9:36
  like,
• 9:36
  be
• 9:36
  able
• 9:36
  to
• 9:37
  brag
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  little
• 9:37
  bit
• 9:37
  to
• 9:37
  your
• 9:37
  buddies
• 9:38
  about
• 9:38
  finding
• 9:38
  some
• 9:39
  fish.
• 9:40
  But,
• 9:40
  you
• 9:40
  know,
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  think
• 9:41
  people
• 9:42
  just
• 9:42
  really
• 9:42
  want
• 9:43
  to
• 9:43
  see
• 9:43
  our
• 9:43
  fisheries.
• 9:44
  Of
• 9:44
  course,
• 9:45
  they
• 9:45
  want
• 9:45
  to
• 9:45
  get
• 9:45
  a
• 9:46
  fish
• 9:46
  in
• 9:46
  the
• 9:47
  net,
• 9:47
  you
• 9:47
  know,
• 9:47
  get
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  hero
• 9:48
  shot
• 9:48
  to
• 9:48
  send
• 9:48
  to
• 9:49
  their
• 9:49
  buddies
• 9:49
  or
• 9:49
  whatever.
• 9:50
  But
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  think
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  trick
• 9:51
  is
• 9:51
  just
• 9:52
  showing
• 9:52
  people
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  good
• 9:52
  time.
• 9:52
  Let
• 9:53
  them
• 9:53
  have
• 9:53
  fun,
• 9:54
  showing
• 9:54
  them
• 9:54
  how
• 9:55
  to
• 9:55
  cast,
• 9:55
  run
• 9:55
  good
• 9:56
  drifts.
• 9:57
  Hopefully
• 9:57
  they
• 9:57
  could
• 9:57
  learn,
• 9:58
  you
• 9:58
  know,
• 9:58
  to
• 9:58
  be
• 9:58
  a
• 9:58
  little
• 9:58
  bit
• 9:58
  better
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  an
• 9:59
  angler.
• 10:00
  But
• 10:00
  just
• 10:00
  have
• 10:00
  a
• 10:01
  good
• 10:01
  time
• 10:01
  on
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  water
• 10:01
  with
• 10:01
  you.
• 10:02
  That's.
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  think
• 10:02
  that's
• 10:03
  the
• 10:03
  trick.
• 10:03
  Yeah,
• 10:04
  it's
• 10:04
  an
• 10:04
  interesting
• 10:04
  thing.
• 10:05
  You
• 10:05
  know,
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  think
• 10:05
  people
• 10:06
  that
• 10:06
  haven't
• 10:06
  done
• 10:06
  a
• 10:07
  lot
• 10:07
  of
• 10:07
  steelhead
• 10:07
  fishing
• 10:07
  may
• 10:08
  not
• 10:08
  kind
• 10:08
  of
• 10:08
  appreciate
• 10:09
  that.
• 10:10
  You
• 10:10
  know,
• 10:10
  the
• 10:11
  technique
• 10:11
  is
• 10:11
  important,
• 10:12
  but
• 10:12
  so
• 10:12
  much
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  the
• 10:12
  game
• 10:13
  is
• 10:13
  just
• 10:13
  finding
• 10:13
  the
• 10:14
  fish
• 10:14
  if
• 10:14
  they're
• 10:14
  there.
• 10:15
  Dude,
• 10:15
  they're.
• 10:16
  They're
• 10:16
  migratory
• 10:16
  trout,
• 10:17
  right?
• 10:17
  They're.
• 10:17
  They're
• 10:18
  moving,
• 10:18
  so
• 10:18
  we
• 10:18
  move
• 10:19
  with
• 10:19
  them.
• 10:19
  And,
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  know,
• 10:20
  where
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  leave
• 10:21
  off
• 10:21
  one
• 10:21
  day
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  hit
• 10:22
  a
• 10:22
  bunch
• 10:22
  of
• 10:22
  fish,
• 10:23
  you're
• 10:23
  like,
• 10:23
  Start
• 10:23
  here
• 10:24
  tomorrow,
• 10:24
  you
• 10:24
  know,
• 10:25
  they'll
• 10:25
  be
• 10:26
  here
• 10:26
  and
• 10:26
  then
• 10:26
  you
• 10:26
  get
• 10:26
  there
• 10:26
  in
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  morning
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  it's
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  ghost
• 10:27
  town.
• 10:28
  So
• 10:28
  yeah,
• 10:29
  the,
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  trick
• 10:29
  is
• 10:30
  definitely
• 10:30
  putting
• 10:31
  miles
• 10:31
  on
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  boots.
• 10:32
  And
• 10:32
  like
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  was
• 10:32
  saying
• 10:33
  earlier
• 10:33
  about,
• 10:33
  you
• 10:34
  know,
• 10:34
  these
• 10:34
  seasons
• 10:34
  that
• 10:34
  were
• 10:35
  they
• 10:35
  fish
• 10:35
  are
• 10:35
  a
• 10:35
  little
• 10:36
  bit
• 10:36
  more
• 10:36
  spread
• 10:37
  out,
• 10:37
  gotta
• 10:38
  get
• 10:38
  after
• 10:38
  them.
• 10:38
  They
• 10:38
  just
• 10:39
  gotta
• 10:39
  go
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  find
• 10:39
  them.
• 10:40
  Yeah,
• 10:41
  very
• 10:41
  neat.
• 10:41
  And
• 10:41
  so,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:42
  what's
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  kind
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  arc
• 10:44
  of
• 10:44
  your.
• 10:44
  Guide
• 10:44
  season
• 10:45
  look
• 10:45
  like
• 10:47
  you're
• 10:47
  looking
• 10:47
  at
• 10:48
  it?
• 10:48
  This
• 10:49
  is.
• 10:49
  Yeah,
• 10:49
  we're
• 10:50
  kind
• 10:50
  of,
• 10:50
  we're
• 10:50
  kind
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  in
• 10:50
  it
• 10:50
  right
• 10:51
  now.
• 10:51
  So
• 10:51
  our
• 10:53
  spring
• 10:53
  season,
• 10:54
  our
• 10:54
  busiest
• 10:54
  time
• 10:55
  is
• 10:55
  probably
• 10:55
  March.
• 10:56
  You
• 10:56
  know,
• 10:56
  March,
• 10:56
  April
• 10:57
  falls
• 10:57
  probably
• 10:57
  November
• 10:58
  and
• 10:58
  early
• 10:58
  December
• 11:00
  and
• 11:00
  then
• 11:00
  just
• 11:01
  weather
• 11:01
  dependent
• 11:01
  if
• 11:02
  we're
• 11:02
  able
• 11:02
  to
• 11:02
  fish.
• 11:02
  January,
• 11:03
  February.
• 11:04
  This
• 11:04
  year
• 11:04
  we
• 11:05
  weren't
• 11:05
  able
• 11:05
  to.
• 11:05
  Things
• 11:06
  froze
• 11:06
  up.
• 11:07
  But.
• 11:07
  But
• 11:07
  yeah,
• 11:08
  we're
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  thick
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  it
• 11:08
  right
• 11:08
  now,
• 11:09
  man.
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  had
• 11:10
  yesterday
• 11:10
  off
• 11:10
  because
• 11:10
  of
• 11:11
  my
• 11:11
  son's
• 11:11
  birthday,
• 11:11
  but
• 11:11
  I'll
• 11:12
  be
• 11:12
  back
• 11:12
  on
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  water
• 11:12
  tomorrow
• 11:13
  and
• 11:13
  pretty
• 11:14
  much
• 11:14
  every
• 11:14
  day
• 11:14
  until
• 11:15
  mid
• 11:15
  April.
• 11:16
  Ish.
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  think
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  have
• 11:17
  one
• 11:17
  off.
• 11:18
  Yeah.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  would
• 11:19
  say,
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  guess
• 11:19
  in
• 11:19
  the
• 11:20
  fall
• 11:20
  you
• 11:20
  guys
• 11:20
  kind
• 11:20
  of
• 11:20
  quit,
• 11:21
  crank
• 11:21
  up
• 11:21
  maybe
• 11:22
  like
• 11:22
  middle
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  late
• 11:22
  October
• 11:23
  and
• 11:23
  you
• 11:23
  fish
• 11:23
  until
• 11:24
  it
• 11:24
  freezes.
• 11:25
  Yes,
• 11:25
  sir.
• 11:26
  Yeah,
• 11:26
  November
• 11:26
  is
• 11:26
  usually
• 11:27
  kind
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  prime
• 11:27
  time,
• 11:28
  but
• 11:28
  those
• 11:28
  fish
• 11:29
  will
• 11:29
  start,
• 11:29
  you
• 11:29
  know,
• 11:29
  start
• 11:30
  creeping
• 11:30
  in,
• 11:30
  you
• 11:31
  know,
• 11:31
  October,
• 11:31
  September,
• 11:32
  even
• 11:32
  into
• 11:32
  September,
• 11:33
  October
• 11:33
  sometime.
• 11:35
  Got
• 11:35
  it.
• 11:35
  You
• 11:35
  know,
• 11:35
  and
• 11:36
  it's
• 11:36
  interesting
• 11:36
  too
• 11:36
  because
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  suspect
• 11:37
  a
• 11:37
  lot
• 11:37
  of
• 11:38
  folks
• 11:38
  don't
• 11:38
  know
• 11:38
  this,
• 11:39
  that
• 11:40
  you're
• 11:40
  an
• 11:40
  artist
• 11:40
  as
• 11:41
  well.
• 11:41
  And
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  was
• 11:41
  kind
• 11:41
  of
• 11:42
  curious,
• 11:42
  you
• 11:43
  know,
• 11:43
  what
• 11:43
  came
• 11:43
  first,
• 11:44
  your
• 11:44
  work
• 11:44
  as
• 11:44
  a
• 11:45
  tattoo
• 11:45
  artist
• 11:45
  or
• 11:46
  your
• 11:46
  work
• 11:46
  as
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  mixed
• 11:47
  media
• 11:47
  fine
• 11:47
  artist?
• 11:49
  Definitely
• 11:50
  as
• 11:50
  an
• 11:50
  artist.
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  like,
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  started
• 11:51
  drawing
• 11:52
  when
• 11:52
  I
• 11:52
  was
• 11:53
  really
• 11:53
  small
• 11:54
  and
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  was
• 11:55
  fortunate
• 11:56
  enough
• 11:56
  that
• 11:56
  my
• 11:56
  parents
• 11:56
  kind
• 11:56
  of
• 11:57
  noticed
• 11:57
  it
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  encouraged
• 11:58
  it
• 11:58
  and
• 11:58
  you
• 11:59
  know,
• 11:59
  kept
• 11:59
  me
• 11:59
  going
• 11:59
  and
• 12:00
  signed
• 12:01
  me
• 12:01
  up
• 12:01
  for
• 12:01
  different
• 12:01
  art
• 12:01
  classes
• 12:02
  outside
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  school
• 12:03
  stuff.
• 12:03
  And,
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  yeah,
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  would
• 12:05
  say
• 12:05
  probably
• 12:05
  six
• 12:06
  or
• 12:06
  seven
• 12:06
  years
• 12:07
  old
• 12:08
  is
• 12:08
  some
• 12:08
  of
• 12:08
  my
• 12:09
  earliest
• 12:09
  sketchbooks
• 12:09
  that
• 12:10
  my
• 12:10
  parents
• 12:10
  have
• 12:10
  saved
• 12:10
  that
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  still
• 12:11
  have
• 12:11
  that
• 12:11
  I'll
• 12:12
  look
• 12:12
  back
• 12:12
  and
• 12:12
  be
• 12:12
  like,
• 12:12
  man,
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  was
• 12:13
  only
• 12:13
  seven
• 12:13
  when
• 12:13
  I
• 12:13
  drew
• 12:13
  that.
• 12:13
  You
• 12:14
  know,
• 12:14
  there's
• 12:14
  an
• 12:14
  elephant
• 12:14
  that
• 12:14
  I'm
• 12:14
  like,
• 12:15
  damn,
• 12:15
  that's
• 12:15
  pretty
• 12:15
  good.
• 12:15
  You
• 12:16
  know,
• 12:16
  See
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  was
• 12:17
  always
• 12:17
  kind
• 12:17
  of
• 12:18
  drawn
• 12:18
  and
• 12:18
  tinkering
• 12:18
  with,
• 12:19
  with
• 12:19
  art
• 12:19
  since
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  was
• 12:19
  a
• 12:20
  little
• 12:20
  kid.
• 12:21
  And
• 12:22
  then
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  didn't
• 12:22
  start
• 12:22
  tattoo
• 12:23
  until
• 12:23
  I
• 12:23
  was,
• 12:23
  I
• 12:24
  think
• 12:24
  I
• 12:24
  was
• 12:24
  at
• 12:24
  20,
• 12:25
  22
• 12:26
  years
• 12:26
  old,
• 12:27
  23
• 12:27
  years
• 12:27
  old
• 12:27
  when
• 12:28
  I
• 12:28
  started
• 12:28
  tattooing.
• 12:29
  See,
• 12:29
  I
• 12:30
  had
• 12:30
  a,
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  had
• 12:30
  a
• 12:30
  lifetime
• 12:31
  of
• 12:31
  art
• 12:31
  in
• 12:31
  before
• 12:31
  I
• 12:32
  actually
• 12:32
  started
• 12:32
  tattooing.
• 12:34
  Got
• 12:34
  it
• 12:34
  so
• 12:35
  between
• 12:35
  seven
• 12:35
  and
• 12:36
  tattooing,
• 12:36
  you
• 12:37
  know,
• 12:37
  you
• 12:37
  were
• 12:37
  doing
• 12:37
  kind
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  classes.
• 12:38
  I
• 12:39
  imagine
• 12:39
  you
• 12:39
  probably
• 12:39
  took
• 12:40
  every
• 12:40
  drawing
• 12:40
  class
• 12:40
  in
• 12:41
  art
• 12:41
  class
• 12:41
  in
• 12:41
  high
• 12:41
  school.
• 12:42
  Did
• 12:42
  you
• 12:42
  do
• 12:43
  any
• 12:43
  kind
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  more
• 12:43
  formal
• 12:44
  training
• 12:44
  or
• 12:44
  are
• 12:44
  you
• 12:44
  largely
• 12:45
  self
• 12:45
  taught?
• 12:46
  Mostly
• 12:47
  self
• 12:47
  taught,
• 12:47
  but
• 12:47
  I
• 12:47
  did
• 12:48
  go
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  Y.
• 12:48
  I
• 12:48
  went
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  Youngstown
• 12:49
  State
• 12:50
  for
• 12:50
  art.
• 12:50
  I
• 12:51
  was
• 12:51
  down
• 12:51
  there
• 12:51
  for
• 12:51
  like
• 12:51
  two
• 12:51
  years
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  I
• 12:52
  just
• 12:52
  got
• 12:52
  frustrated
• 12:53
  because
• 12:53
  I
• 12:53
  was
• 12:53
  still
• 12:53
  having
• 12:54
  to
• 12:54
  take,
• 12:54
  you
• 12:54
  know,
• 12:55
  English
• 12:55
  class
• 12:56
  and
• 12:56
  whatever,
• 12:57
  you
• 12:57
  know,
• 12:57
  all
• 12:57
  these
• 12:57
  outside
• 12:57
  classes.
• 12:58
  And
• 12:58
  at
• 12:58
  that
• 12:58
  point
• 12:59
  I
• 12:59
  was
• 12:59
  just,
• 13:00
  I
• 13:00
  was
• 13:00
  amped
• 13:00
  and
• 13:01
  determined
• 13:01
  to
• 13:01
  just
• 13:02
  do
• 13:02
  art.
• 13:03
  You
• 13:03
  know,
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  was
• 13:03
  still
• 13:04
  fishing
• 13:04
  all
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  time,
• 13:05
  but
• 13:05
  like,
• 13:05
  guiding
• 13:06
  wasn't
• 13:06
  even
• 13:07
  something
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  was
• 13:07
  considering
• 13:08
  at
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  time.
• 13:08
  It
• 13:09
  was
• 13:09
  always
• 13:09
  a
• 13:09
  dream,
• 13:10
  but
• 13:10
  it
• 13:11
  wasn't
• 13:11
  something
• 13:11
  that
• 13:11
  I
• 13:12
  even
• 13:12
  thought
• 13:12
  could
• 13:12
  ever
• 13:12
  be,
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  know,
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  real
• 13:14
  situation.
• 13:15
  So
• 13:15
  I
• 13:16
  was
• 13:16
  just
• 13:16
  chasing
• 13:16
  that
• 13:16
  art
• 13:17
  dream
• 13:17
  really
• 13:17
  hard
• 13:18
  and
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  just
• 13:19
  felt
• 13:20
  like
• 13:20
  college,
• 13:20
  which
• 13:20
  just
• 13:20
  wasn't
• 13:21
  for
• 13:21
  me
• 13:21
  art
• 13:22
  wise,
• 13:23
  so
• 13:23
  dropped
• 13:24
  out
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  college
• 13:24
  and
• 13:25
  I
• 13:25
  got
• 13:26
  into
• 13:26
  the
• 13:26
  pipe
• 13:26
  trade
• 13:27
  as
• 13:27
  a
• 13:27
  pipe
• 13:27
  fitter
• 13:28
  just
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  kind
• 13:28
  of
• 13:28
  like
• 13:28
  pay
• 13:28
  the
• 13:29
  bills.
• 13:29
  And
• 13:30
  it
• 13:30
  was
• 13:30
  an
• 13:30
  early
• 13:30
  job
• 13:31
  and
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  got
• 13:31
  done
• 13:31
  early.
• 13:31
  I
• 13:32
  was
• 13:32
  done
• 13:32
  at
• 13:32
  like
• 13:32
  three
• 13:32
  o'
• 13:32
  clock
• 13:33
  every
• 13:33
  day.
• 13:33
  So
• 13:33
  that
• 13:34
  was
• 13:34
  when
• 13:34
  I
• 13:34
  really
• 13:34
  started
• 13:34
  tattooing
• 13:36
  and
• 13:37
  pursuing
• 13:37
  that
• 13:38
  after,
• 13:38
  after
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  day
• 13:39
  job,
• 13:39
  in
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  evenings
• 13:40
  and
• 13:40
  on
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  weekends.
• 13:42
  Very
• 13:42
  neat.
• 13:43
  And
• 13:43
  so,
• 13:43
  you
• 13:43
  know,
• 13:44
  do
• 13:44
  you
• 13:44
  have
• 13:44
  a
• 13:44
  favorite
• 13:45
  medium?
• 13:45
  Like
• 13:46
  would
• 13:46
  you
• 13:46
  rather
• 13:46
  tattoo
• 13:47
  or
• 13:47
  is
• 13:47
  there
• 13:47
  a
• 13:48
  specific
• 13:48
  type
• 13:49
  of
• 13:49
  kind
• 13:49
  of
• 13:50
  mixed
• 13:50
  media
• 13:51
  artwork
• 13:51
  that
• 13:51
  you
• 13:52
  like?
• 13:52
  You
• 13:52
  know,
• 13:52
  if
• 13:52
  you
• 13:53
  could
• 13:53
  only
• 13:53
  paint
• 13:53
  one
• 13:54
  last
• 13:54
  thing,
• 13:54
  what
• 13:54
  would
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  be?
• 13:56
  Oh,
• 13:56
  geez.
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  mean,
• 13:57
  I
• 13:58
  probably
• 13:58
  would
• 13:58
  have
• 13:58
  to
• 13:59
  be
• 13:59
  a
• 13:59
  fish.
• 14:00
  I
• 14:00
  don't
• 14:01
  know
• 14:01
  what
• 14:01
  kind,
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  don't
• 14:01
  know
• 14:01
  what
• 14:01
  fish,
• 14:02
  but
• 14:02
  it
• 14:02
  would
• 14:02
  probably
• 14:02
  be
• 14:03
  a
• 14:03
  fish
• 14:03
  if
• 14:03
  I
• 14:03
  could
• 14:03
  only
• 14:03
  paint
• 14:04
  one
• 14:04
  last
• 14:04
  thing.
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  really
• 14:06
  enjoy
• 14:06
  doing
• 14:07
  murals,
• 14:07
  honestly,
• 14:08
  it's,
• 14:08
  it's
• 14:08
  cool
• 14:09
  because
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  love
• 14:09
  painting,
• 14:11
  but
• 14:11
  a
• 14:11
  lot
• 14:12
  of
• 14:12
  times
• 14:12
  when
• 14:12
  you're
• 14:12
  painting
• 14:12
  on
• 14:12
  canvas,
• 14:13
  you're
• 14:13
  just
• 14:14
  in
• 14:14
  your
• 14:14
  studio
• 14:14
  by
• 14:14
  yourself,
• 14:15
  listening
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
  music.
• 14:15
  It's
• 14:16
  really,
• 14:16
  it's
• 14:16
  great.
• 14:17
  But
• 14:17
  if
• 14:18
  you
• 14:18
  have
• 14:18
  an
• 14:18
  art
• 14:18
  show
• 14:19
  or
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  post
• 14:19
  that
• 14:19
  picture
• 14:20
  or
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  sell
• 14:20
  that
• 14:21
  painting,
• 14:21
  like
• 14:21
  only
• 14:21
  a
• 14:21
  handful
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  people
• 14:22
  really
• 14:22
  are
• 14:22
  going
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  get
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  see
• 14:23
  that
• 14:23
  thing.
• 14:24
  Whereas
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  murals,
• 14:25
  they're
• 14:26
  cool,
• 14:26
  they're
• 14:26
  big,
• 14:26
  they're
• 14:27
  striking,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:28
  they
• 14:28
  demand
• 14:28
  attention
• 14:29
  and
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  lot
• 14:29
  of
• 14:29
  people
• 14:30
  get
• 14:30
  to
• 14:30
  see
• 14:30
  them.
• 14:30
  Even
• 14:30
  those
• 14:31
  school
• 14:31
  murals
• 14:31
  that
• 14:31
  I
• 14:32
  do,
• 14:32
  you
• 14:32
  know,
• 14:32
  in
• 14:32
  gymnasiums
• 14:33
  for
• 14:33
  schools,
• 14:34
  I
• 14:35
  just
• 14:35
  love
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  idea
• 14:35
  of
• 14:35
  seeing,
• 14:36
  thinking
• 14:36
  like
• 14:36
  all
• 14:37
  those
• 14:37
  kids
• 14:37
  are
• 14:37
  going
• 14:37
  to
• 14:37
  get
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  see
• 14:38
  it.
• 14:38
  They're
• 14:38
  all
• 14:38
  going
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  be
• 14:38
  so
• 14:39
  proud
• 14:39
  of
• 14:39
  it.
• 14:39
  You
• 14:39
  know,
• 14:39
  just
• 14:40
  more
• 14:40
  people
• 14:40
  get
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  enjoy
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  murals
• 14:41
  than
• 14:41
  anything.
• 14:43
  Yeah,
• 14:43
  that's
• 14:43
  Interesting,
• 14:43
  too,
• 14:44
  because
• 14:44
  I
• 14:44
  would
• 14:44
  imagine
• 14:44
  kind
• 14:45
  of
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  planning,
• 14:46
  I
• 14:46
  mean,
• 14:46
  well,
• 14:47
  it's.
• 14:47
  You
• 14:47
  don't
• 14:47
  even
• 14:47
  have
• 14:47
  to
• 14:48
  imagine.
• 14:48
  The
• 14:48
  planning's
• 14:48
  gotta
• 14:49
  be
• 14:49
  radically
• 14:49
  different.
• 14:50
  Right.
• 14:51
  And
• 14:51
  just
• 14:51
  kind
• 14:52
  of
• 14:52
  spacing
• 14:52
  and
• 14:52
  how
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  lay
• 14:53
  everything
• 14:53
  out.
• 14:53
  Right.
• 14:54
  Sure.
• 14:55
  Yeah.
• 14:56
  Just
• 14:56
  all
• 14:56
  just.
• 14:56
  Just
• 14:57
  larger.
• 14:57
  Right.
• 14:58
  So
• 14:58
  my.
• 14:58
  When
• 14:59
  I'm
• 14:59
  doing
• 14:59
  those
• 14:59
  murals,
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  basically
• 15:01
  pretty
• 15:02
  much
• 15:02
  just
• 15:02
  do
• 15:02
  a
• 15:02
  grid
• 15:02
  pattern
• 15:03
  like
• 15:03
  the
• 15:03
  one
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  did
• 15:03
  on.
• 15:04
  On
• 15:04
  Sa's
• 15:04
  building.
• 15:05
  It's.
• 15:05
  It's
• 15:05
  huge.
• 15:05
  I
• 15:06
  think
• 15:06
  it's
• 15:06
  like
• 15:06
  130ft
• 15:07
  long.
• 15:08
  But
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  just
• 15:08
  broke
• 15:09
  it
• 15:09
  into
• 15:09
  two
• 15:10
  foot
• 15:10
  by
• 15:10
  two
• 15:10
  foot
• 15:11
  blocks.
• 15:11
  Right.
• 15:12
  So
• 15:12
  it
• 15:12
  was
• 15:12
  just
• 15:12
  kind
• 15:13
  of
• 15:13
  the
• 15:13
  same
• 15:13
  way
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  eat
• 15:13
  an
• 15:13
  elephant,
• 15:14
  just
• 15:14
  one
• 15:14
  bite
• 15:14
  at
• 15:14
  a
• 15:15
  time.
• 15:15
  I
• 15:15
  just
• 15:15
  treated
• 15:16
  each
• 15:16
  one
• 15:16
  of
• 15:16
  those
• 15:16
  blocks,
• 15:17
  you
• 15:17
  know,
• 15:18
  as
• 15:18
  its
• 15:18
  own
• 15:18
  piece,
• 15:19
  just
• 15:19
  to
• 15:19
  keep
• 15:20
  everything
• 15:20
  in
• 15:20
  proportion
• 15:20
  and
• 15:21
  keep
• 15:21
  that
• 15:21
  scale.
• 15:22
  Yeah.
• 15:23
  It
• 15:23
  kind
• 15:23
  of
• 15:23
  reminds
• 15:24
  me
• 15:24
  of
• 15:24
  doing
• 15:24
  that
• 15:24
  in
• 15:24
  middle
• 15:24
  school
• 15:25
  in
• 15:25
  art
• 15:25
  class,
• 15:25
  Right.
• 15:26
  Where
• 15:26
  you
• 15:26
  draw
• 15:26
  things
• 15:26
  and
• 15:27
  you
• 15:27
  would,
• 15:27
  like.
• 15:27
  They'd
• 15:28
  make
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  draw
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  grids
• 15:28
  on
• 15:29
  the
• 15:29
  paper.
• 15:30
  It's
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  same
• 15:30
  thing,
• 15:31
  but
• 15:31
  instead
• 15:31
  of
• 15:31
  doing
• 15:31
  like
• 15:32
  a
• 15:32
  2
• 15:32
  inch
• 15:32
  by
• 15:32
  2
• 15:33
  inch,
• 15:33
  you
• 15:33
  do
• 15:33
  a
• 15:33
  2
• 15:33
  foot
• 15:34
  by
• 15:34
  2
• 15:34
  foot
• 15:34
  block.
• 15:34
  Right.
• 15:35
  Just.
• 15:35
  Just
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  larger
• 15:36
  scale
• 15:36
  of
• 15:36
  it.
• 15:36
  Same
• 15:37
  principle.
• 15:37
  Yeah.
• 15:38
  And
• 15:38
  so
• 15:38
  when
• 15:38
  you're
• 15:38
  at
• 15:38
  the
• 15:39
  easel,
• 15:39
  you
• 15:39
  know,
• 15:39
  are
• 15:40
  you
• 15:40
  acrylics
• 15:40
  guy?
• 15:41
  You
• 15:41
  an
• 15:41
  oil
• 15:41
  guy?
• 15:41
  Like,
• 15:42
  kind
• 15:42
  of.
• 15:42
  What's
• 15:42
  your
• 15:42
  jam
• 15:43
  there?
• 15:43
  Yeah,
• 15:44
  oils,
• 15:44
  for
• 15:44
  sure.
• 15:45
  Oil
• 15:45
  on
• 15:45
  canvas.
• 15:46
  I
• 15:47
  kind
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  made
• 15:47
  the
• 15:47
  switch
• 15:47
  over
• 15:48
  from
• 15:48
  acrylics
• 15:49
  to
• 15:49
  oils
• 15:49
  probably
• 15:50
  about
• 15:50
  10
• 15:50
  years
• 15:50
  ago.
• 15:51
  And.
• 15:52
  And
• 15:52
  just
• 15:52
  like
• 15:52
  anything,
• 15:52
  it's
• 15:53
  almost
• 15:53
  like
• 15:53
  I've
• 15:54
  made.
• 15:54
  I've
• 15:54
  made
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  reference
• 15:55
  before.
• 15:55
  It's
• 15:55
  almost
• 15:55
  like
• 15:56
  making
• 15:56
  that
• 15:56
  switch
• 15:57
  from
• 15:57
  conventional
• 15:57
  gear
• 15:58
  over
• 15:58
  to
• 15:58
  fly
• 15:58
  fishing.
• 15:59
  Right.
• 15:59
  It's
• 16:00
  just
• 16:00
  like
• 16:00
  a.
• 16:00
  You
• 16:00
  just
• 16:00
  got
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  get
• 16:01
  over
• 16:01
  that
• 16:01
  hump,
• 16:02
  that
• 16:02
  confidence,
• 16:02
  Humphrey.
• 16:04
  So
• 16:04
  you.
• 16:05
  You
• 16:05
  just
• 16:05
  got
• 16:05
  to
• 16:05
  get
• 16:06
  a
• 16:06
  little
• 16:06
  bit
• 16:06
  of
• 16:06
  confidence
• 16:06
  behind
• 16:07
  you,
• 16:07
  whether
• 16:07
  it's
• 16:07
  catch
• 16:08
  a
• 16:08
  couple
• 16:08
  fish
• 16:08
  on
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  fly
• 16:09
  and,
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  know,
• 16:09
  make
• 16:09
  that
• 16:10
  transition
• 16:10
  or
• 16:11
  bust
• 16:11
  out
• 16:11
  a
• 16:11
  couple
• 16:12
  really
• 16:12
  cool
• 16:12
  oil
• 16:12
  paintings
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  just
• 16:13
  kind
• 16:13
  of
• 16:14
  figure
• 16:14
  it
• 16:14
  out.
• 16:15
  Yeah.
• 16:15
  Interesting.
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  know
• 16:16
  some
• 16:16
  people
• 16:16
  started
• 16:17
  with
• 16:17
  oil
• 16:17
  and
• 16:17
  had
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  switch
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  acrylic
• 16:18
  because
• 16:19
  they
• 16:19
  got
• 16:19
  allergic,
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  guess,
• 16:20
  to
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  solvents.
• 16:21
  So
• 16:22
  I.
• 16:23
  I
• 16:23
  don't
• 16:23
  know
• 16:23
  if
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  even
• 16:24
  know
• 16:24
  this,
• 16:24
  Marvin,
• 16:24
  but.
• 16:25
  So
• 16:25
  three
• 16:25
  years
• 16:25
  ago
• 16:26
  would
• 16:26
  have
• 16:26
  been.
• 16:26
  Yeah,
• 16:27
  three
• 16:27
  Christmases
• 16:28
  ago,
• 16:28
  I
• 16:28
  ended
• 16:28
  up.
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  have.
• 16:29
  I
• 16:30
  popped
• 16:30
  up
• 16:30
  with
• 16:30
  cancer
• 16:31
  on
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  inside
• 16:31
  of
• 16:31
  my
• 16:31
  nose.
• 16:33
  And
• 16:33
  that's
• 16:33
  kind
• 16:33
  of
• 16:33
  what
• 16:34
  they're
• 16:34
  thinking.
• 16:34
  It's
• 16:35
  from
• 16:35
  more
• 16:36
  the
• 16:36
  brush
• 16:36
  cleaners
• 16:37
  than
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  paint
• 16:37
  itself.
• 16:39
  Wow.
• 16:40
  Yeah,
• 16:41
  man.
• 16:42
  That's
• 16:42
  what
• 16:42
  got
• 16:42
  Bob
• 16:42
  Ross.
• 16:43
  Yeah.
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  mean,
• 16:44
  it's.
• 16:44
  It's
• 16:44
  interesting
• 16:45
  because
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  know,
• 16:45
  like,
• 16:46
  I
• 16:46
  know
• 16:46
  Derek
• 16:47
  Deyoung.
• 16:47
  Doesn't
• 16:47
  paint
• 16:47
  oil
• 16:48
  anymore,
• 16:48
  right?
• 16:49
  Yeah.
• 16:49
  Yeah.
• 16:50
  And
• 16:50
  he's
• 16:50
  like,
• 16:50
  dude,
• 16:51
  just
• 16:51
  one
• 16:51
  day,
• 16:51
  it's
• 16:51
  kind
• 16:51
  of
• 16:51
  like
• 16:51
  people
• 16:52
  were
• 16:52
  solar
• 16:52
  as,
• 16:52
  like,
• 16:53
  they're
• 16:53
  like,
• 16:53
  I
• 16:53
  was
• 16:53
  tying
• 16:54
  streamers,
• 16:54
  and
• 16:55
  then
• 16:55
  one.
• 16:55
  One
• 16:55
  day,
• 16:55
  I
• 16:56
  hit
• 16:56
  the
• 16:56
  resin
• 16:56
  with
• 16:56
  the
• 16:56
  light,
• 16:56
  and
• 16:57
  I.
• 16:57
  My
• 16:57
  face
• 16:58
  puffed
• 16:58
  up,
• 16:58
  and
• 16:58
  I
• 16:59
  look
• 16:59
  like
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  chipmunk.
• 17:00
  Yeah,
• 17:01
  I.
• 17:02
  I
• 17:02
  don't
• 17:02
  know,
• 17:02
  man.
• 17:02
  When
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  went
• 17:03
  through
• 17:03
  my.
• 17:03
  I.
• 17:03
  I
• 17:04
  had
• 17:04
  ended
• 17:04
  up
• 17:04
  having
• 17:04
  to
• 17:04
  have
• 17:04
  35
• 17:05
  rounds
• 17:05
  of
• 17:05
  radiation
• 17:06
  and
• 17:07
  kind
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  going
• 17:07
  through
• 17:07
  all
• 17:07
  that,
• 17:07
  I
• 17:08
  just
• 17:08
  kind
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  came
• 17:09
  to
• 17:09
  the
• 17:09
  terms
• 17:10
  with,
• 17:11
  if
• 17:11
  it
• 17:11
  takes
• 17:11
  me,
• 17:12
  it
• 17:12
  takes
• 17:12
  me,
• 17:12
  but
• 17:12
  it's
• 17:12
  just
• 17:12
  something
• 17:13
  I'm
• 17:13
  just
• 17:13
  not
• 17:13
  willing
• 17:13
  to
• 17:14
  give
• 17:14
  up.
• 17:15
  I
• 17:15
  try.
• 17:15
  I
• 17:15
  try
• 17:15
  to
• 17:16
  keep
• 17:16
  a
• 17:16
  good
• 17:17
  ventilated
• 17:17
  room
• 17:18
  and
• 17:18
  windows
• 17:18
  open
• 17:19
  and
• 17:19
  fans
• 17:19
  going.
• 17:19
  You
• 17:20
  know,
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  try
• 17:20
  to
• 17:20
  be
• 17:20
  cautious
• 17:20
  and
• 17:21
  careful
• 17:21
  of
• 17:21
  it,
• 17:21
  but
• 17:21
  I'm
• 17:21
  just.
• 17:22
  Just
• 17:23
  can't
• 17:23
  give
• 17:23
  it
• 17:23
  up,
• 17:23
  man.
• 17:24
  Got
• 17:24
  it.
• 17:25
  How
• 17:25
  would
• 17:25
  you
• 17:25
  describe
• 17:25
  your
• 17:26
  style?
• 17:31
  Partially
• 17:32
  surreal,
• 17:32
  partially
• 17:33
  realism.
• 17:34
  Like,
• 17:34
  I
• 17:35
  don't.
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  don't
• 17:35
  know.
• 17:35
  It's
• 17:36
  hard
• 17:36
  to
• 17:36
  explain.
• 17:36
  I'm
• 17:36
  kind
• 17:37
  of
• 17:37
  walking
• 17:37
  around
• 17:37
  the
• 17:37
  studio
• 17:38
  looking
• 17:38
  at
• 17:38
  some
• 17:38
  of
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  stuff
• 17:38
  that
• 17:38
  I
• 17:39
  got
• 17:39
  going
• 17:39
  for
• 17:39
  this
• 17:39
  next
• 17:39
  art
• 17:40
  show,
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  it's.
• 17:41
  It's
• 17:41
  very,
• 17:42
  like,
• 17:43
  nature
• 17:43
  surrealism.
• 17:45
  Almost
• 17:46
  like
• 17:46
  if
• 17:46
  Salvador
• 17:46
  Dali
• 17:47
  did,
• 17:47
  like,
• 17:47
  a
• 17:48
  Shield
• 17:48
  and
• 17:48
  Stream
• 17:49
  magazine
• 17:50
  cover.
• 17:50
  Right.
• 17:50
  So
• 17:51
  it's
• 17:52
  fishy,
• 17:52
  it's
• 17:52
  outdoorsy,
• 17:53
  it's
• 17:53
  nature.
• 17:54
  But
• 17:54
  it's
• 17:54
  also,
• 17:55
  like,
• 17:55
  kind
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  weird
• 17:55
  and
• 17:56
  trippy
• 17:56
  and
• 17:57
  cool
• 17:58
  color
• 17:58
  patterns.
• 17:59
  I'm
• 17:59
  working
• 17:59
  on
• 18:00
  one
• 18:00
  right
• 18:00
  now.
• 18:01
  It's
• 18:01
  actually
• 18:01
  a
• 18:01
  landscape.
• 18:02
  It's
• 18:02
  pretty
• 18:02
  big.
• 18:03
  It's
• 18:04
  all
• 18:04
  oils.
• 18:04
  It's
• 18:04
  a
• 18:04
  landscape,
• 18:05
  but
• 18:05
  it's.
• 18:06
  I'm
• 18:06
  calling
• 18:06
  it
• 18:07
  native
• 18:08
  ground.
• 18:08
  So
• 18:09
  it's
• 18:09
  basically
• 18:09
  a
• 18:10
  brook
• 18:10
  trout
• 18:11
  landscape.
• 18:12
  There's,
• 18:13
  like,
• 18:13
  a
• 18:14
  sunset
• 18:14
  and
• 18:14
  mountains
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  rolling
• 18:16
  hills,
• 18:16
  and
• 18:16
  on
• 18:16
  the
• 18:17
  rolling
• 18:17
  hills
• 18:17
  has,
• 18:17
  like,
• 18:19
  brook
• 18:19
  trout
• 18:19
  markings
• 18:20
  and
• 18:20
  spots.
• 18:21
  So
• 18:21
  it's
• 18:22
  just,
• 18:22
  like,
• 18:23
  just
• 18:23
  kind
• 18:23
  of
• 18:23
  weird,
• 18:23
  man.
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  don't
• 18:24
  know.
• 18:24
  It's
• 18:24
  really
• 18:25
  cool.
• 18:25
  It's
• 18:25
  different.
• 18:26
  Yeah.
• 18:26
  You
• 18:26
  don't
• 18:26
  have
• 18:26
  any
• 18:27
  trout,
• 18:27
  like,
• 18:27
  melting
• 18:27
  off
• 18:28
  any
• 18:28
  tabletops
• 18:28
  or
• 18:28
  anything,
• 18:29
  do
• 18:29
  you?
• 18:30
  Nope.
• 18:31
  No,
• 18:32
  sir.
• 18:33
  And
• 18:33
  so,
• 18:34
  you
• 18:34
  know,
• 18:34
  who
• 18:34
  are
• 18:34
  some
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  the
• 18:35
  artists
• 18:35
  you
• 18:35
  follow
• 18:36
  or
• 18:36
  folks
• 18:36
  that
• 18:37
  have
• 18:37
  kind
• 18:37
  of
• 18:37
  influenced
• 18:37
  your
• 18:38
  work?
• 18:41
  So
• 18:41
  I
• 18:41
  would
• 18:41
  say,
• 18:42
  like,
• 18:42
  as
• 18:42
  far
• 18:42
  as,
• 18:42
  like,
• 18:42
  painting
• 18:43
  goes,
• 18:44
  I
• 18:44
  love
• 18:44
  Salvador
• 18:45
  Dali.
• 18:45
  I've
• 18:45
  always
• 18:46
  been
• 18:46
  drawn
• 18:46
  to
• 18:46
  his
• 18:46
  stuff,
• 18:47
  like,
• 18:47
  color
• 18:47
  palette
• 18:48
  and
• 18:49
  just
• 18:49
  that
• 18:49
  kind
• 18:49
  of,
• 18:49
  like,
• 18:50
  weirdness
• 18:51
  of
• 18:51
  it.
• 18:52
  You
• 18:52
  said
• 18:53
  Derek
• 18:53
  DeYoung.
• 18:54
  I
• 18:54
  love
• 18:54
  his
• 18:54
  stuff.
• 18:56
  Drew.
• 18:56
  Drew
• 18:57
  Wilson.
• 18:57
  Drew
• 18:57
  Ella.
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  love
• 18:58
  Drew's
• 18:59
  stuff.
• 19:00
  So,
• 19:01
  yeah,
• 19:01
  I
• 19:02
  like
• 19:02
  all
• 19:02
  sorts
• 19:02
  of
• 19:03
  art.
• 19:03
  I
• 19:03
  don't
• 19:03
  really
• 19:03
  have
• 19:03
  one
• 19:04
  particular
• 19:04
  style
• 19:05
  that
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  like
• 19:05
  or
• 19:06
  that
• 19:06
  I'm
• 19:06
  drawn
• 19:06
  to.
• 19:07
  I've
• 19:08
  always
• 19:08
  kind
• 19:08
  Of
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  like
• 19:09
  street
• 19:09
  art.
• 19:09
  I
• 19:09
  like
• 19:10
  classical
• 19:10
  oil
• 19:11
  painting.
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  like
• 19:11
  portraiture.
• 19:13
  Yeah,
• 19:13
  I
• 19:13
  like
• 19:13
  all
• 19:14
  of
• 19:14
  it.
• 19:14
  I
• 19:14
  can
• 19:14
  appreciate
• 19:14
  it
• 19:15
  all
• 19:15
  too,
• 19:15
  because
• 19:15
  I
• 19:15
  just
• 19:15
  know
• 19:15
  how
• 19:16
  hard
• 19:16
  all
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  it
• 19:16
  is
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  pull
• 19:17
  off.
• 19:18
  Yeah,
• 19:18
  absolutely.
• 19:19
  What
• 19:19
  about
• 19:19
  on
• 19:19
  the
• 19:20
  tattoo
• 19:20
  side?
• 19:22
  I'm
• 19:23
  more
• 19:23
  of
• 19:23
  a
• 19:24
  black
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  gray
• 19:25
  tattooer.
• 19:25
  Me
• 19:26
  personally,
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  do
• 19:26
  a
• 19:27
  lot.
• 19:27
  I
• 19:27
  do
• 19:27
  a
• 19:27
  little
• 19:27
  bit
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  color,
• 19:28
  but
• 19:28
  most
• 19:28
  of
• 19:28
  my
• 19:28
  stuff
• 19:29
  is
• 19:29
  large
• 19:29
  scale
• 19:30
  black
• 19:30
  and
• 19:30
  gray.
• 19:31
  Mostly,
• 19:32
  like
• 19:32
  realism
• 19:33
  stuff.
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  do
• 19:33
  a
• 19:34
  lot
• 19:34
  of
• 19:35
  large
• 19:36
  scale
• 19:36
  back
• 19:36
  pieces,
• 19:37
  full
• 19:37
  sleeves.
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  very
• 19:38
  rarely
• 19:38
  am
• 19:39
  doing
• 19:39
  smaller
• 19:39
  stuff.
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  do
• 19:41
  stuff
• 19:41
  that's
• 19:42
  multiple
• 19:43
  sessions.
• 19:43
  So
• 19:43
  people
• 19:43
  will
• 19:44
  come
• 19:44
  in,
• 19:45
  they'll
• 19:45
  spend
• 19:45
  six
• 19:46
  or
• 19:46
  eight
• 19:46
  hours
• 19:46
  here,
• 19:48
  not
• 19:48
  necessarily
• 19:48
  getting
• 19:49
  tattooed
• 19:49
  straight
• 19:49
  through
• 19:50
  that.
• 19:50
  You
• 19:50
  know,
• 19:50
  we'll
• 19:50
  tattoo
• 19:50
  for
• 19:51
  a
• 19:51
  little
• 19:51
  bit.
• 19:51
  They'll
• 19:51
  go
• 19:51
  grab
• 19:52
  something
• 19:52
  to
• 19:52
  eat,
• 19:52
  come
• 19:52
  back,
• 19:52
  but
• 19:53
  we'll
• 19:53
  spend
• 19:53
  a
• 19:53
  couple
• 19:54
  of
• 19:54
  days
• 19:54
  doing
• 19:54
  it,
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  then
• 19:55
  they'll
• 19:55
  come
• 19:55
  back
• 19:56
  a
• 19:56
  month
• 19:56
  or
• 19:56
  two
• 19:57
  later
• 19:57
  and
• 19:57
  we'll
• 19:57
  work
• 19:57
  on
• 19:58
  it,
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  know,
• 19:58
  for
• 19:58
  another
• 19:58
  couple
• 19:59
  of
• 19:59
  hours.
• 19:59
  And
• 20:00
  it's
• 20:00
  just
• 20:00
  kind
• 20:00
  of
• 20:00
  a
• 20:00
  process.
• 20:01
  But,
• 20:01
  yeah,
• 20:01
  larger
• 20:02
  scale,
• 20:02
  black
• 20:02
  and
• 20:02
  gray
• 20:03
  realism
• 20:04
  stuff.
• 20:06
  Very,
• 20:06
  very
• 20:06
  neat.
• 20:06
  And
• 20:06
  so
• 20:07
  tell
• 20:07
  me
• 20:07
  a
• 20:07
  little
• 20:07
  bit,
• 20:07
  like,
• 20:08
  obviously
• 20:08
  fishing
• 20:08
  is
• 20:09
  very
• 20:09
  important
• 20:09
  to
• 20:09
  you,
• 20:10
  and
• 20:10
  you
• 20:10
  were
• 20:11
  in
• 20:11
  art
• 20:11
  school
• 20:12
  unhappy
• 20:12
  because
• 20:12
  you
• 20:13
  were
• 20:13
  in
• 20:13
  English
• 20:13
  and
• 20:14
  fishing.
• 20:15
  Talk
• 20:15
  to
• 20:15
  me
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  little
• 20:16
  bit
• 20:16
  about
• 20:16
  kind
• 20:16
  of
• 20:17
  how
• 20:17
  fishing
• 20:17
  winds
• 20:18
  through
• 20:18
  your
• 20:18
  art
• 20:19
  and
• 20:19
  your
• 20:19
  tattoo
• 20:19
  work.
• 20:21
  Yeah,
• 20:22
  when
• 20:22
  I
• 20:22
  was,
• 20:23
  you
• 20:23
  know,
• 20:23
  when
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  was
• 20:23
  younger,
• 20:23
  like
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  told
• 20:24
  you,
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  started
• 20:24
  going
• 20:24
  down
• 20:25
  to
• 20:25
  New
• 20:25
  Sienna
• 20:26
  Creek
• 20:26
  down
• 20:26
  to.
• 20:26
  Or
• 20:27
  there
• 20:27
  was
• 20:27
  an
• 20:27
  Orbis
• 20:27
  store
• 20:28
  down
• 20:28
  there
• 20:28
  in
• 20:28
  Plant.
• 20:29
  And
• 20:30
  it
• 20:30
  was.
• 20:30
  It
• 20:30
  was
• 20:31
  weird.
• 20:31
  It
• 20:31
  was,
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:31
  it
• 20:32
  was.
• 20:32
  It
• 20:32
  was
• 20:32
  different
• 20:33
  times
• 20:33
  then.
• 20:33
  There
• 20:34
  was.
• 20:34
  There
• 20:34
  wasn't
• 20:35
  like
• 20:35
  a
• 20:35
  ton
• 20:35
  of,
• 20:35
  like,
• 20:35
  really
• 20:36
  cool
• 20:36
  artwork
• 20:37
  on
• 20:38
  fly
• 20:39
  fishing
• 20:39
  stuff.
• 20:39
  Like,
• 20:40
  it
• 20:40
  was
• 20:40
  pretty
• 20:40
  monotone,
• 20:41
  pretty
• 20:42
  old
• 20:42
  guy
• 20:43
  base.
• 20:43
  Everything
• 20:43
  was
• 20:43
  like
• 20:44
  hunter
• 20:44
  green
• 20:44
  and
• 20:45
  tan,
• 20:45
  you
• 20:46
  know.
• 20:47
  So
• 20:48
  for
• 20:48
  me,
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  just
• 20:48
  kind
• 20:48
  of
• 20:49
  seen
• 20:49
  the
• 20:49
  need
• 20:49
  for
• 20:50
  it.
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  had
• 20:50
  a
• 20:51
  bunch
• 20:51
  of
• 20:51
  buddies
• 20:51
  that
• 20:51
  were
• 20:51
  in
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  fly
• 20:52
  fishing
• 20:52
  world
• 20:52
  that
• 20:52
  were
• 20:53
  younger,
• 20:53
  and
• 20:53
  we
• 20:53
  wanted,
• 20:54
  like,
• 20:54
  cool
• 20:54
  hats
• 20:54
  and,
• 20:55
  you
• 20:55
  know,
• 20:56
  cool
• 20:56
  to
• 20:56
  wear
• 20:57
  when
• 20:57
  we
• 20:57
  went
• 20:57
  fishing,
• 20:58
  and
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  just
• 20:58
  kind
• 20:58
  of
• 20:59
  wasn't
• 20:59
  there.
• 21:00
  So
• 21:01
  I
• 21:01
  don't
• 21:01
  know,
• 21:02
  just
• 21:02
  like
• 21:02
  in
• 21:02
  tattooing,
• 21:03
  there
• 21:03
  was.
• 21:03
  There
• 21:03
  was
• 21:03
  kind
• 21:04
  of
• 21:04
  a
• 21:04
  need
• 21:04
  for.
• 21:05
  For
• 21:05
  that
• 21:06
  black
• 21:06
  and
• 21:06
  gray
• 21:06
  realism
• 21:07
  end
• 21:07
  of
• 21:07
  things,
• 21:07
  like
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  custom
• 21:08
  end
• 21:08
  of
• 21:09
  things.
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  think
• 21:10
  there
• 21:10
  was
• 21:10
  a
• 21:10
  real
• 21:10
  demand
• 21:11
  for,
• 21:12
  like,
• 21:12
  young,
• 21:13
  cool,
• 21:13
  fresh
• 21:13
  art
• 21:14
  in
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  fishing
• 21:15
  world,
• 21:16
  in
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  fly
• 21:16
  fishing
• 21:16
  world.
• 21:17
  Right.
• 21:17
  So
• 21:17
  that's
• 21:17
  where
• 21:18
  like
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  Derek
• 21:18
  de
• 21:18
  Youngs
• 21:19
  came
• 21:19
  from
• 21:19
  and
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  Drews
• 21:20
  came
• 21:20
  from,
• 21:20
  and
• 21:20
  guys
• 21:20
  started
• 21:21
  putting
• 21:21
  out
• 21:21
  really
• 21:21
  cool,
• 21:22
  fresh
• 21:22
  artwork.
• 21:23
  And
• 21:23
  I
• 21:24
  was
• 21:24
  really
• 21:24
  influenced
• 21:24
  by
• 21:25
  it
• 21:25
  too.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:26
  it
• 21:26
  was
• 21:27
  just
• 21:27
  kind
• 21:27
  of
• 21:27
  obvious.
• 21:28
  For
• 21:28
  me,
• 21:28
  it
• 21:28
  was
• 21:28
  the
• 21:29
  two
• 21:29
  things
• 21:29
  that
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  love
• 21:29
  the
• 21:30
  most
• 21:30
  art
• 21:30
  and
• 21:30
  fishing,
• 21:31
  so
• 21:31
  why
• 21:31
  not
• 21:31
  pig
• 21:32
  fish?
• 21:33
  Right?
• 21:33
  So
• 21:34
  that
• 21:34
  was
• 21:34
  kind
• 21:34
  of
• 21:35
  how
• 21:35
  that
• 21:35
  all
• 21:35
  happened.
• 21:36
  Yeah.
• 21:36
  And
• 21:36
  you
• 21:37
  kind
• 21:37
  of
• 21:37
  mentioned
• 21:37
  this
• 21:37
  a
• 21:37
  little
• 21:38
  bit,
• 21:38
  but,
• 21:38
  you
• 21:38
  know,
• 21:39
  your
• 21:39
  art's
• 21:39
  found
• 21:39
  its
• 21:39
  way
• 21:39
  onto,
• 21:40
  like,
• 21:40
  hats.
• 21:40
  Like,
• 21:40
  I
• 21:40
  know
• 21:41
  you've
• 21:41
  got
• 21:41
  hats
• 21:41
  for
• 21:41
  sa.
• 21:42
  You've
• 21:42
  done
• 21:43
  hats
• 21:43
  for
• 21:43
  sao
• 21:44
  and
• 21:44
  other
• 21:44
  merchandise.
• 21:45
  You
• 21:46
  know,
• 21:46
  talk
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  me
• 21:46
  a
• 21:46
  little
• 21:47
  bit
• 21:47
  about.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  remember
• 21:48
  talking
• 21:48
  to
• 21:48
  Derek
• 21:49
  about
• 21:49
  this,
• 21:49
  too.
• 21:49
  Like,
• 21:50
  this
• 21:50
  intersection
• 21:51
  of
• 21:51
  art
• 21:51
  and
• 21:51
  commerce
• 21:52
  and,
• 21:53
  you
• 21:53
  know,
• 21:53
  kind
• 21:53
  of
• 21:54
  being
• 21:54
  true
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  your
• 21:54
  artist's
• 21:55
  voice.
• 21:55
  But,
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  know,
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  got
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  get
• 21:56
  paid,
• 21:56
  too,
• 21:56
  right?
• 21:57
  Sure.
• 21:58
  Yeah.
• 21:58
  That's.
• 21:59
  I've.
• 21:59
  I
• 22:00
  think
• 22:00
  every
• 22:00
  artist,
• 22:00
  they,
• 22:01
  like.
• 22:01
  I
• 22:02
  don't
• 22:02
  want
• 22:02
  to
• 22:02
  be
• 22:02
  a
• 22:02
  sellout,
• 22:02
  but
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  still
• 22:03
  want
• 22:03
  people
• 22:03
  to
• 22:04
  see
• 22:04
  my.
• 22:04
  You
• 22:05
  know,
• 22:06
  for
• 22:06
  me,
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  don't
• 22:07
  know,
• 22:07
  I.
• 22:08
  I
• 22:08
  want
• 22:08
  to
• 22:08
  share
• 22:08
  my
• 22:09
  art
• 22:09
  with
• 22:09
  people.
• 22:09
  Like,
• 22:09
  I
• 22:10
  was
• 22:10
  saying
• 22:10
  earlier
• 22:10
  about,
• 22:10
  like,
• 22:11
  I
• 22:11
  really
• 22:11
  enjoy
• 22:11
  murals
• 22:12
  because
• 22:12
  people
• 22:12
  get
• 22:12
  to
• 22:13
  get
• 22:13
  to
• 22:13
  see
• 22:13
  it.
• 22:14
  So
• 22:14
  when
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  got
• 22:14
  asked
• 22:14
  to
• 22:15
  do,
• 22:15
  like,
• 22:15
  a
• 22:15
  Scientific
• 22:15
  Angler
• 22:16
  hat,
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  was
• 22:16
  like,
• 22:17
  oh,
• 22:17
  my
• 22:17
  gosh,
• 22:17
  this
• 22:17
  is
• 22:17
  so
• 22:18
  cool,
• 22:18
  you
• 22:18
  know,
• 22:18
  like,
• 22:18
  because
• 22:19
  more
• 22:19
  people
• 22:19
  are
• 22:19
  going
• 22:19
  to
• 22:20
  get
• 22:20
  to
• 22:20
  see
• 22:20
  it.
• 22:22
  So.
• 22:22
  Yeah.
• 22:23
  And
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  don't
• 22:23
  think,
• 22:23
  like,
• 22:23
  there's
• 22:24
  no
• 22:24
  real
• 22:24
  way
• 22:24
  to,
• 22:25
  like,
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  don't
• 22:26
  know,
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  guess
• 22:27
  someone
• 22:27
  might
• 22:27
  be
• 22:27
  able
• 22:27
  to
• 22:27
  do
• 22:27
  it,
• 22:27
  but
• 22:28
  for
• 22:28
  me,
• 22:28
  there's
• 22:28
  no
• 22:28
  real
• 22:28
  way
• 22:28
  to,
• 22:29
  like,
• 22:29
  get
• 22:29
  rich
• 22:29
  or
• 22:29
  have,
• 22:29
  like,
• 22:30
  sustainable
• 22:30
  living.
• 22:31
  Just,
• 22:31
  like,
• 22:32
  selling
• 22:33
  a
• 22:33
  design
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  Orvis
• 22:34
  or
• 22:34
  selling
• 22:35
  a
• 22:35
  design
• 22:35
  to
• 22:35
  Scientific
• 22:36
  Angler.
• 22:36
  Right.
• 22:36
  You're
• 22:36
  going
• 22:36
  to
• 22:36
  get
• 22:36
  a
• 22:37
  little
• 22:37
  bit
• 22:37
  of
• 22:37
  money
• 22:37
  for
• 22:37
  it,
• 22:37
  but
• 22:37
  it's
• 22:37
  not
• 22:38
  going
• 22:38
  to
• 22:38
  be
• 22:38
  like,
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  long,
• 22:39
  sustaining
• 22:40
  career
• 22:42
  over
• 22:42
  time.
• 22:43
  You
• 22:43
  know,
• 22:43
  they're
• 22:43
  just
• 22:43
  going
• 22:43
  to
• 22:44
  buy
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  design
• 22:44
  or
• 22:45
  two
• 22:45
  off
• 22:45
  of
• 22:45
  each
• 22:45
  artist,
• 22:46
  whoever,
• 22:47
  whatever
• 22:47
  artist
• 22:47
  is
• 22:47
  kind
• 22:47
  of
• 22:48
  cool
• 22:48
  that
• 22:48
  year,
• 22:48
  and
• 22:48
  then
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  next
• 22:49
  year,
• 22:49
  they've
• 22:49
  got
• 22:49
  a
• 22:49
  couple
• 22:49
  different
• 22:50
  ones.
• 22:51
  So
• 22:51
  I
• 22:51
  kind
• 22:52
  of.
• 22:52
  I
• 22:52
  don't
• 22:52
  know,
• 22:52
  I
• 22:53
  make
• 22:53
  my
• 22:53
  money
• 22:53
  fishing
• 22:54
  and
• 22:54
  tattooing.
• 22:54
  Like,
• 22:55
  it's
• 22:55
  cool
• 22:55
  if
• 22:55
  I
• 22:55
  make
• 22:55
  a
• 22:55
  little
• 22:56
  bit
• 22:56
  of
• 22:56
  money
• 22:56
  on
• 22:56
  those
• 22:56
  hats,
• 22:57
  but
• 22:57
  for
• 22:57
  me,
• 22:57
  the
• 22:57
  reward
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  just,
• 22:58
  like,
• 22:59
  being
• 22:59
  able
• 22:59
  to
• 22:59
  put
• 23:00
  a
• 23:00
  hat
• 23:00
  with
• 23:01
  my
• 23:01
  design
• 23:01
  in
• 23:01
  it
• 23:02
  and
• 23:02
  a
• 23:02
  keepsake
• 23:02
  box
• 23:03
  for
• 23:03
  my
• 23:03
  son
• 23:03
  one
• 23:03
  day.
• 23:04
  You
• 23:04
  know,
• 23:04
  it's
• 23:04
  just.
• 23:04
  I
• 23:04
  think
• 23:05
  it's
• 23:05
  just
• 23:05
  so
• 23:05
  cool.
• 23:06
  Yeah,
• 23:07
  it's
• 23:07
  interesting,
• 23:07
  too,
• 23:07
  because,
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  know,
• 23:08
  while
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  were
• 23:08
  talking,
• 23:09
  made
• 23:09
  me
• 23:09
  kind
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  think,
• 23:09
  too,
• 23:09
  about
• 23:10
  how
• 23:11
  AI
• 23:12
  is
• 23:12
  intruding
• 23:13
  on
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  kind
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  creative
• 23:14
  visual
• 23:14
  arts.
• 23:15
  Right?
• 23:15
  Oh,
• 23:15
  yeah.
• 23:16
  And,
• 23:17
  you
• 23:17
  know,
• 23:17
  where,
• 23:19
  you
• 23:19
  know,
• 23:19
  that
• 23:19
  story
• 23:20
  becomes
• 23:20
  so
• 23:20
  important.
• 23:21
  So
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  difference
• 23:21
  between,
• 23:22
  like,
• 23:22
  a
• 23:22
  manufacturer
• 23:23
  buying
• 23:23
  a
• 23:24
  design
• 23:25
  versus
• 23:25
  people,
• 23:26
  kind
• 23:26
  of
• 23:26
  like
• 23:27
  knowing
• 23:27
  your
• 23:27
  jam
• 23:27
  and
• 23:28
  knowing
• 23:28
  your
• 23:28
  story
• 23:28
  and
• 23:28
  be
• 23:29
  like,
• 23:29
  hey,
• 23:29
  man,
• 23:29
  like,
• 23:29
  I
• 23:29
  like
• 23:30
  this
• 23:30
  piece
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  art.
• 23:30
  I
• 23:31
  Like
• 23:31
  this
• 23:31
  hat,
• 23:31
  you
• 23:31
  know,
• 23:32
  I
• 23:32
  like
• 23:32
  this
• 23:32
  sun
• 23:32
  hoodie,
• 23:32
  whatever
• 23:33
  it
• 23:33
  is.
• 23:34
  You
• 23:34
  know,
• 23:34
  that's
• 23:34
  an
• 23:34
  interesting
• 23:35
  thing,
• 23:35
  too,
• 23:35
  because
• 23:35
  to
• 23:36
  me,
• 23:36
  I
• 23:36
  think
• 23:36
  the
• 23:37
  stickiness
• 23:37
  for
• 23:37
  all
• 23:38
  this
• 23:38
  is
• 23:38
  like,
• 23:38
  your
• 23:38
  story,
• 23:39
  right?
• 23:40
  Yeah.
• 23:40
  Well,
• 23:40
  that's
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  thing,
• 23:41
  right?
• 23:41
  With,
• 23:41
  like,
• 23:41
  an
• 23:42
  AI
• 23:42
  design,
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  could.
• 23:43
  You
• 23:43
  could
• 23:43
  get
• 23:43
  a.
• 23:43
  Probably
• 23:44
  a
• 23:44
  pretty
• 23:44
  cool
• 23:44
  design
• 23:44
  pretty
• 23:45
  quick
• 23:45
  and
• 23:45
  not
• 23:45
  have
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  pay
• 23:46
  an
• 23:46
  artist
• 23:46
  for
• 23:46
  it,
• 23:46
  but
• 23:47
  there's
• 23:47
  no
• 23:47
  soul
• 23:47
  behind
• 23:48
  it.
• 23:48
  Like
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  said,
• 23:49
  there's
• 23:49
  a.
• 23:49
  You
• 23:49
  know,
• 23:49
  there's
• 23:50
  no
• 23:50
  story
• 23:50
  behind
• 23:50
  it.
• 23:51
  Just.
• 23:51
  It's
• 23:51
  just
• 23:51
  kind
• 23:51
  of
• 23:51
  an
• 23:52
  image.
• 23:52
  And
• 23:52
  I
• 23:53
  don't
• 23:53
  know,
• 23:53
  I
• 23:54
  think
• 23:54
  that
• 23:54
  people
• 23:54
  could
• 23:55
  probably
• 23:55
  spot
• 23:55
  it.
• 23:55
  I
• 23:56
  know
• 23:56
  for
• 23:56
  me
• 23:56
  as
• 23:56
  an
• 23:56
  artist,
• 23:57
  I
• 23:57
  could
• 23:57
  spot
• 23:57
  an
• 23:57
  AI
• 23:58
  image
• 23:59
  in
• 23:59
  a
• 23:59
  second.
• 24:00
  Right.
• 24:00
  If
• 24:00
  I'm
• 24:00
  scrolling
• 24:01
  down
• 24:01
  through
• 24:01
  and
• 24:01
  it's
• 24:02
  an
• 24:02
  ad
• 24:02
  for
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  place,
• 24:04
  I
• 24:04
  could
• 24:04
  tell
• 24:04
  instantly
• 24:05
  if
• 24:05
  it's
• 24:05
  an
• 24:05
  AI
• 24:06
  image
• 24:06
  or
• 24:06
  someone
• 24:06
  actually
• 24:06
  created
• 24:07
  that
• 24:07
  thing.
• 24:08
  Yeah,
• 24:08
  absolutely.
• 24:09
  And
• 24:09
  so,
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  know,
• 24:09
  it's
• 24:10
  interesting,
• 24:10
  you're
• 24:11
  recording
• 24:11
  this
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  your
• 24:12
  tattoo
• 24:13
  studio
• 24:13
  and
• 24:13
  gallery,
• 24:13
  which
• 24:14
  is
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  box
• 24:15
  gallery,
• 24:15
  if
• 24:15
  I
• 24:15
  remember
• 24:15
  correctly.
• 24:16
  And
• 24:16
  you're
• 24:16
  in
• 24:16
  downtown
• 24:16
  Warren,
• 24:17
  Ohio,
• 24:17
  right?
• 24:18
  Yes,
• 24:18
  sir.
• 24:19
  Yeah.
• 24:19
  And
• 24:19
  so
• 24:19
  tell
• 24:20
  me
• 24:20
  a
• 24:20
  little
• 24:20
  bit
• 24:20
  about
• 24:20
  kind
• 24:20
  of
• 24:21
  the
• 24:21
  vibe
• 24:21
  you've
• 24:21
  got
• 24:21
  going
• 24:21
  on
• 24:22
  there.
• 24:23
  Yeah,
• 24:23
  it's.
• 24:24
  It's
• 24:24
  really
• 24:24
  cool.
• 24:25
  I
• 24:25
  was
• 24:25
  fortunate
• 24:25
  enough
• 24:26
  to
• 24:27
  be
• 24:27
  able
• 24:27
  to
• 24:27
  buy
• 24:28
  this
• 24:28
  building
• 24:28
  off
• 24:28
  of
• 24:28
  the
• 24:29
  guy
• 24:29
  that
• 24:29
  I
• 24:29
  was
• 24:29
  renting
• 24:29
  from.
• 24:30
  When
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  first
• 24:31
  moved
• 24:31
  out
• 24:31
  here,
• 24:31
  my
• 24:32
  tattoo
• 24:32
  shop
• 24:32
  was
• 24:33
  actually
• 24:33
  in
• 24:33
  Austintown,
• 24:34
  Ohio,
• 24:34
  which
• 24:34
  is
• 24:35
  where
• 24:35
  I
• 24:35
  grew
• 24:35
  up,
• 24:36
  and
• 24:37
  I
• 24:37
  was
• 24:37
  just
• 24:37
  kind
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  renting
• 24:38
  a
• 24:38
  little
• 24:38
  apartment
• 24:38
  in
• 24:38
  this
• 24:39
  really
• 24:39
  big
• 24:39
  building.
• 24:39
  But
• 24:39
  these
• 24:40
  buildings
• 24:40
  are
• 24:40
  cool,
• 24:40
  right?
• 24:41
  It's
• 24:41
  like
• 24:41
  these
• 24:41
  old
• 24:42
  historical
• 24:43
  buildings
• 24:43
  that
• 24:44
  used
• 24:45
  to
• 24:45
  be,
• 24:45
  like,
• 24:45
  doctor's
• 24:46
  offices.
• 24:46
  And
• 24:46
  then
• 24:47
  they
• 24:47
  got.
• 24:47
  They
• 24:47
  were
• 24:48
  vacant,
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  then
• 24:48
  these
• 24:48
  guys,
• 24:49
  like,
• 24:49
  restored
• 24:49
  them
• 24:49
  into
• 24:50
  cool
• 24:50
  apartments.
• 24:50
  So
• 24:50
  they
• 24:51
  got,
• 24:51
  like,
• 24:51
  high
• 24:51
  ceilings
• 24:52
  and
• 24:52
  skylights.
• 24:53
  You
• 24:53
  know,
• 24:53
  they're
• 24:53
  pretty
• 24:54
  cool.
• 24:54
  And
• 24:54
  I
• 24:55
  was
• 24:55
  renting
• 24:55
  the
• 24:55
  apartment,
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  then
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  guy.
• 24:57
  I
• 24:57
  think
• 24:57
  he
• 24:57
  just
• 24:58
  kind
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  got
• 24:58
  sick
• 24:58
  of
• 24:59
  having
• 24:59
  to
• 24:59
  deal
• 25:00
  with
• 25:00
  all
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  bullshit
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  it.
• 25:01
  He
• 25:01
  was
• 25:01
  like,
• 25:01
  ever
• 25:01
  think
• 25:02
  about
• 25:02
  buying
• 25:02
  one
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  these
• 25:02
  buildings?
• 25:03
  And,
• 25:04
  you
• 25:04
  know,
• 25:04
  and
• 25:05
  long
• 25:05
  story
• 25:05
  short,
• 25:05
  we
• 25:05
  discussed
• 25:06
  it,
• 25:06
  and
• 25:06
  I
• 25:06
  was
• 25:06
  able
• 25:06
  to
• 25:07
  get
• 25:07
  this
• 25:07
  building
• 25:07
  from
• 25:07
  him.
• 25:08
  So
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  just
• 25:09
  restored
• 25:09
  the
• 25:10
  whole
• 25:10
  downstairs.
• 25:10
  The
• 25:11
  whole
• 25:11
  first
• 25:11
  floor
• 25:12
  is
• 25:12
  the
• 25:13
  tattoo
• 25:13
  shop.
• 25:14
  And
• 25:14
  it's
• 25:14
  really
• 25:15
  cool.
• 25:15
  I
• 25:15
  popped
• 25:15
  some
• 25:15
  ceiling
• 25:16
  tiles
• 25:16
  just
• 25:16
  to
• 25:16
  run
• 25:17
  some
• 25:17
  lights,
• 25:17
  and
• 25:17
  there
• 25:18
  was,
• 25:18
  like,
• 25:18
  old
• 25:18
  decorative
• 25:19
  tin
• 25:19
  ceilings.
• 25:20
  So
• 25:20
  we
• 25:20
  restored
• 25:21
  all
• 25:21
  that,
• 25:22
  exposed
• 25:23
  a
• 25:23
  bunch
• 25:23
  of
• 25:23
  brick.
• 25:24
  It's
• 25:24
  just
• 25:24
  a
• 25:24
  really
• 25:24
  cool,
• 25:26
  cool
• 25:26
  vibe
• 25:27
  when
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  walk
• 25:27
  in.
• 25:27
  A
• 25:27
  lot
• 25:27
  of.
• 25:27
  Most
• 25:28
  people,
• 25:28
  when
• 25:28
  they
• 25:28
  walk
• 25:28
  in,
• 25:28
  they're
• 25:28
  like,
• 25:29
  holy
• 25:29
  shit.
• 25:29
  This
• 25:29
  doesn't
• 25:30
  even
• 25:30
  look
• 25:30
  like
• 25:30
  a
• 25:30
  tattoo
• 25:31
  shop.
• 25:31
  You
• 25:31
  know,
• 25:31
  like,
• 25:31
  it's.
• 25:32
  It's
• 25:32
  very
• 25:32
  nice.
• 25:33
  It's
• 25:33
  upscale
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  it's
• 25:34
  downtown,
• 25:36
  so,
• 25:37
  yeah,
• 25:37
  it's
• 25:37
  a
• 25:37
  really
• 25:37
  cool
• 25:38
  vibe.
• 25:38
  I'm
• 25:38
  really
• 25:38
  proud
• 25:38
  of
• 25:38
  what
• 25:39
  we've
• 25:39
  got
• 25:39
  going
• 25:39
  on
• 25:39
  here.
• 25:40
  Yeah.
• 25:40
  And
• 25:40
  you
• 25:40
  were
• 25:41
  telling
• 25:41
  me,
• 25:41
  like,
• 25:41
  you've
• 25:41
  got
• 25:41
  apartments
• 25:42
  upstairs,
• 25:43
  so.
• 25:43
  Yeah,
• 25:44
  kind
• 25:44
  of
• 25:44
  a
• 25:44
  neat
• 25:44
  thing.
• 25:44
  I
• 25:44
  mean,
• 25:44
  how's
• 25:45
  it
• 25:45
  set
• 25:45
  up?
• 25:45
  Is
• 25:45
  there
• 25:45
  sort
• 25:46
  of
• 25:46
  like
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  main
• 25:46
  entrance
• 25:46
  and
• 25:47
  then
• 25:47
  there's
• 25:47
  maybe
• 25:47
  like
• 25:47
  a
• 25:47
  side
• 25:48
  door
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  goes
• 25:48
  upstairs?
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  mean,
• 25:49
  what
• 25:49
  is
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  layout
• 25:50
  like?
• 25:51
  Yeah,
• 25:51
  so
• 25:51
  from
• 25:51
  the
• 25:52
  front
• 25:52
  of
• 25:52
  the
• 25:52
  building,
• 25:52
  we're
• 25:52
  actually
• 25:53
  in
• 25:53
  downtown
• 25:53
  Warren.
• 25:54
  We're
• 25:54
  at
• 25:54
  a
• 25:54
  courthouse
• 25:55
  square,
• 25:55
  they
• 25:56
  call
• 25:56
  it.
• 25:56
  So
• 25:56
  it's
• 25:56
  just
• 25:56
  like
• 25:57
  one
• 25:57
  little
• 25:57
  square
• 25:57
  that's
• 25:58
  based
• 25:58
  around
• 25:58
  the
• 25:59
  courthouse.
• 25:59
  And
• 25:59
  then
• 25:59
  there's
• 26:00
  just
• 26:00
  like,
• 26:00
  restaurants
• 26:01
  and
• 26:02
  there's
• 26:02
  a
• 26:02
  comic
• 26:02
  book
• 26:03
  shop
• 26:03
  down
• 26:03
  here.
• 26:04
  Coffee
• 26:05
  place.
• 26:05
  Like,
• 26:05
  it's
• 26:05
  just,
• 26:05
  like,
• 26:06
  real
• 26:06
  cool
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  young
• 26:06
  and
• 26:07
  trendy
• 26:07
  and
• 26:07
  artsy.
• 26:09
  So
• 26:09
  you
• 26:09
  come
• 26:09
  in
• 26:09
  from
• 26:09
  the
• 26:10
  front
• 26:10
  of
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  building
• 26:10
  on
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  first
• 26:11
  floor
• 26:11
  to
• 26:12
  the
• 26:12
  tattoo
• 26:12
  shop.
• 26:13
  There's
• 26:13
  another
• 26:14
  door
• 26:14
  that
• 26:14
  goes
• 26:14
  upstairs
• 26:15
  to
• 26:15
  the
• 26:15
  second
• 26:16
  floor,
• 26:17
  second
• 26:17
  and
• 26:17
  third
• 26:17
  floor.
• 26:18
  In
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  front
• 26:18
  of
• 26:18
  the
• 26:19
  building
• 26:19
  is
• 26:19
  a
• 26:20
  combined.
• 26:20
  It's
• 26:21
  a
• 26:21
  large
• 26:21
  apartment,
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  then
• 26:22
  there's
• 26:23
  a
• 26:23
  smaller
• 26:23
  apartment
• 26:24
  in
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  back
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  building.
• 26:25
  That
• 26:25
  was
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  one
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  I
• 26:26
  was
• 26:26
  living
• 26:26
  in
• 26:27
  that
• 26:27
  I
• 26:27
  was
• 26:28
  renting
• 26:28
  from
• 26:28
  when
• 26:28
  the
• 26:28
  opportunity
• 26:29
  came
• 26:29
  up
• 26:29
  to
• 26:29
  buy
• 26:29
  the
• 26:30
  building
• 26:30
  that.
• 26:31
  That's
• 26:31
  what
• 26:31
  I'm
• 26:31
  actually
• 26:31
  in
• 26:32
  now
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  I
• 26:32
  use
• 26:33
  as
• 26:34
  my
• 26:34
  painting
• 26:34
  studio.
• 26:35
  I'm
• 26:35
  gonna
• 26:35
  have
• 26:35
  an
• 26:35
  art
• 26:36
  show
• 26:36
  next
• 26:37
  year
• 26:37
  at
• 26:37
  a
• 26:37
  gallery
• 26:38
  down
• 26:38
  here,
• 26:38
  so
• 26:38
  I'm
• 26:38
  just
• 26:39
  kind
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  using
• 26:39
  it
• 26:39
  to
• 26:39
  paint
• 26:40
  and
• 26:41
  get
• 26:41
  all
• 26:41
  that
• 26:41
  stuff
• 26:42
  ready
• 26:42
  for
• 26:42
  this
• 26:42
  show.
• 26:43
  Very
• 26:44
  cool.
• 26:44
  And
• 26:44
  do
• 26:44
  you
• 26:44
  have
• 26:44
  any
• 26:44
  other
• 26:45
  folks
• 26:45
  tattooing
• 26:45
  with
• 26:45
  you?
• 26:46
  Yeah,
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  have
• 26:48
  three
• 26:48
  other
• 26:48
  guys
• 26:49
  that
• 26:49
  tattoo
• 26:49
  with
• 26:49
  me
• 26:50
  full
• 26:50
  time.
• 26:51
  I'm
• 26:51
  in
• 26:51
  the
• 26:51
  shop
• 26:52
  for
• 26:52
  six
• 26:52
  months,
• 26:53
  and
• 26:53
  then
• 26:53
  I'm
• 26:53
  out
• 26:53
  of
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  shop
• 26:54
  for
• 26:54
  six
• 26:54
  months
• 26:54
  when,
• 26:54
  you
• 26:54
  know,
• 26:55
  steelhead
• 26:55
  season
• 26:55
  rolls
• 26:56
  around,
• 26:56
  and
• 26:56
  these
• 26:56
  guys
• 26:57
  hold
• 26:58
  down
• 26:58
  the
• 26:58
  fort
• 26:58
  for
• 26:58
  me.
• 27:00
  Very
• 27:00
  cool.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  kind
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  going
• 27:01
  back
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  mural
• 27:02
  thing,
• 27:03
  you
• 27:03
  know,
• 27:03
  you.
• 27:04
  You
• 27:04
  mentioned
• 27:04
  it
• 27:04
  earlier,
• 27:05
  but
• 27:05
  I
• 27:05
  suspect
• 27:05
  most
• 27:06
  people
• 27:06
  didn't
• 27:06
  know
• 27:07
  until
• 27:07
  they
• 27:07
  started
• 27:07
  listening
• 27:08
  that
• 27:08
  you
• 27:08
  did
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  mural
• 27:09
  that's
• 27:09
  on
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  SA
• 27:10
  building
• 27:10
  in
• 27:10
  Midland,
• 27:10
  Michigan,
• 27:11
  for
• 27:11
  the
• 27:12
  80th
• 27:12
  anniversary.
• 27:13
  That
• 27:13
  had
• 27:13
  to
• 27:13
  be
• 27:13
  a
• 27:13
  pretty
• 27:13
  surreal
• 27:14
  experience,
• 27:15
  dude.
• 27:16
  Yeah,
• 27:16
  it's.
• 27:17
  That's
• 27:17
  one
• 27:17
  of
• 27:17
  those
• 27:17
  ones.
• 27:18
  It's,
• 27:18
  like,
• 27:18
  kind
• 27:18
  of
• 27:18
  hard
• 27:18
  to
• 27:18
  even
• 27:19
  now,
• 27:20
  all
• 27:20
  this
• 27:20
  time
• 27:20
  later.
• 27:20
  It's
• 27:20
  hard
• 27:21
  to
• 27:21
  even
• 27:21
  put
• 27:21
  into
• 27:21
  words
• 27:22
  how.
• 27:22
  How
• 27:22
  freaking
• 27:23
  cool
• 27:23
  it
• 27:23
  was,
• 27:24
  man.
• 27:24
  It
• 27:24
  was.
• 27:24
  It
• 27:24
  was
• 27:24
  something
• 27:25
  super
• 27:25
  special.
• 27:26
  Very
• 27:26
  neat.
• 27:27
  You
• 27:27
  want
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  tell
• 27:27
  us
• 27:27
  a
• 27:27
  little
• 27:27
  bit
• 27:27
  more
• 27:28
  about
• 27:28
  it?
• 27:29
  Yeah.
• 27:30
  So
• 27:30
  I
• 27:31
  was
• 27:31
  doing
• 27:32
  this
• 27:32
  small
• 27:32
  mouth
• 27:33
  mural
• 27:33
  on
• 27:34
  Schultz's
• 27:35
  at
• 27:36
  demo
• 27:36
  days,
• 27:36
  a
• 27:36
  Couple
• 27:37
  years
• 27:37
  ago
• 27:38
  and
• 27:40
  met
• 27:40
  a
• 27:40
  guy
• 27:40
  named
• 27:40
  Joe
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  worked
• 27:42
  for
• 27:42
  Scientific
• 27:42
  Anglers.
• 27:43
  He
• 27:43
  came
• 27:43
  over
• 27:43
  and
• 27:44
  we
• 27:44
  were
• 27:44
  bsing
• 27:44
  all
• 27:45
  day,
• 27:45
  and
• 27:45
  he
• 27:45
  kept
• 27:46
  talking
• 27:46
  about
• 27:46
  this
• 27:46
  giant
• 27:47
  wall
• 27:47
  they
• 27:47
  had
• 27:48
  out
• 27:48
  in
• 27:48
  Midland
• 27:49
  on
• 27:49
  Scientific
• 27:50
  Anglers.
• 27:50
  And
• 27:50
  I'm
• 27:50
  like,
• 27:51
  dude,
• 27:51
  like,
• 27:52
  give
• 27:52
  me
• 27:52
  a
• 27:52
  call.
• 27:52
  Like,
• 27:52
  I
• 27:52
  would
• 27:53
  love
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  do
• 27:53
  it,
• 27:53
  you
• 27:53
  know?
• 27:54
  So
• 27:55
  probably
• 27:55
  three
• 27:56
  or
• 27:56
  four
• 27:56
  months
• 27:56
  went
• 27:56
  by,
• 27:57
  and
• 27:57
  then
• 27:57
  Joe
• 27:57
  finally
• 27:57
  reached
• 27:58
  out
• 27:58
  and
• 27:58
  he
• 27:58
  called
• 27:58
  me.
• 27:58
  And
• 27:58
  I
• 27:59
  was
• 27:59
  so
• 27:59
  excited
• 27:59
  thinking
• 27:59
  about
• 28:00
  this
• 28:00
  mural.
• 28:01
  And
• 28:01
  here
• 28:01
  he
• 28:02
  was
• 28:02
  actually
• 28:02
  calling
• 28:02
  about
• 28:03
  two
• 28:03
  designs
• 28:04
  for
• 28:04
  hats,
• 28:06
  which
• 28:06
  was
• 28:06
  really
• 28:07
  cool.
• 28:07
  We
• 28:07
  ended
• 28:07
  up
• 28:07
  doing
• 28:08
  them.
• 28:08
  It
• 28:08
  was.
• 28:08
  I
• 28:08
  did
• 28:08
  a
• 28:09
  rainbow
• 28:09
  trout
• 28:09
  for
• 28:09
  them
• 28:09
  and
• 28:10
  then
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  small
• 28:10
  mouse
• 28:11
  that
• 28:11
  they
• 28:11
  put
• 28:11
  on
• 28:11
  hats.
• 28:12
  And
• 28:13
  then
• 28:13
  it
• 28:13
  was
• 28:13
  probably
• 28:14
  just
• 28:14
  a
• 28:15
  couple
• 28:15
  of
• 28:15
  days
• 28:15
  after
• 28:16
  those
• 28:16
  got
• 28:16
  released
• 28:17
  that
• 28:17
  Brad
• 28:18
  Befus
• 28:19
  from
• 28:19
  Scientific
• 28:20
  Anglers
• 28:20
  reached
• 28:20
  out
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  and
• 28:22
  me,
• 28:22
  him
• 28:22
  and
• 28:23
  Joe
• 28:23
  started
• 28:23
  really
• 28:24
  talking
• 28:24
  about.
• 28:24
  They
• 28:25
  started
• 28:25
  sending
• 28:25
  pictures
• 28:25
  of
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  wall.
• 28:26
  We
• 28:26
  really
• 28:26
  started
• 28:26
  kind
• 28:27
  of
• 28:27
  like
• 28:27
  getting
• 28:27
  a
• 28:28
  little
• 28:28
  bit
• 28:28
  more
• 28:28
  serious
• 28:28
  about
• 28:29
  a
• 28:29
  design
• 28:30
  and
• 28:30
  species
• 28:30
  of
• 28:31
  fish,
• 28:31
  what
• 28:31
  we.
• 28:31
  Were
• 28:31
  going
• 28:31
  to
• 28:31
  use.
• 28:33
  And
• 28:34
  once
• 28:34
  we
• 28:34
  locked
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  design
• 28:34
  down,
• 28:35
  then
• 28:35
  Brad
• 28:35
  had
• 28:35
  the
• 28:36
  idea
• 28:36
  of
• 28:36
  having
• 28:36
  me
• 28:36
  come
• 28:36
  out
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  do
• 28:37
  it
• 28:37
  for
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  week
• 28:38
  before
• 28:38
  that
• 28:39
  80th
• 28:39
  anniversary
• 28:40
  party
• 28:40
  so
• 28:41
  that
• 28:41
  it
• 28:41
  would
• 28:41
  be
• 28:41
  kind
• 28:41
  of
• 28:42
  like
• 28:42
  the
• 28:43
  last
• 28:43
  day
• 28:43
  I'd
• 28:43
  be
• 28:43
  finishing
• 28:44
  doing,
• 28:44
  like,
• 28:44
  finishing
• 28:45
  touches.
• 28:45
  We
• 28:45
  still
• 28:46
  have
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  list
• 28:46
  there.
• 28:47
  You
• 28:47
  know,
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  could
• 28:47
  kind
• 28:48
  of
• 28:48
  just
• 28:48
  like,
• 28:48
  bullshit
• 28:48
  with
• 28:48
  everybody
• 28:49
  and
• 28:49
  hang
• 28:49
  out.
• 28:50
  And
• 28:51
  so
• 28:51
  that's
• 28:51
  what
• 28:51
  we
• 28:51
  did.
• 28:51
  And
• 28:51
  it
• 28:52
  worked
• 28:52
  out.
• 28:52
  And
• 28:52
  it
• 28:52
  was
• 28:52
  the
• 28:53
  scary.
• 28:53
  It
• 28:53
  was
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  coolest
• 28:54
  but
• 28:54
  scariest
• 28:54
  thing
• 28:55
  ever
• 28:55
  because
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  didn't
• 28:55
  know
• 28:55
  if
• 28:55
  I
• 28:56
  was
• 28:56
  done
• 28:56
  in
• 28:57
  time,
• 28:57
  you
• 28:58
  know,
• 28:58
  for
• 28:58
  that
• 28:58
  party.
• 28:59
  I
• 28:59
  kind
• 28:59
  of
• 28:59
  had
• 28:59
  a
• 28:59
  couple
• 29:00
  oh,
• 29:00
  shit
• 29:00
  moments.
• 29:00
  But,
• 29:01
  dude,
• 29:01
  it
• 29:01
  was
• 29:01
  awesome.
• 29:02
  Yeah.
• 29:02
  How
• 29:02
  long
• 29:02
  did
• 29:02
  it
• 29:02
  take
• 29:03
  you?
• 29:04
  I
• 29:04
  got
• 29:04
  it
• 29:04
  done
• 29:04
  in
• 29:04
  seven
• 29:05
  days.
• 29:05
  I
• 29:06
  worked
• 29:06
  from
• 29:06
  literally
• 29:07
  sun
• 29:07
  up
• 29:07
  to
• 29:08
  sundown
• 29:08
  for
• 29:08
  those
• 29:08
  seven
• 29:09
  straight
• 29:09
  days
• 29:11
  and
• 29:11
  got
• 29:11
  it
• 29:12
  done.
• 29:12
  It
• 29:12
  was.
• 29:12
  It
• 29:12
  was
• 29:12
  close,
• 29:13
  man.
• 29:13
  There
• 29:13
  was
• 29:13
  a
• 29:14
  couple.
• 29:14
  Like
• 29:14
  I
• 29:14
  said,
• 29:14
  there
• 29:14
  was
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  couple
• 29:15
  times
• 29:15
  that
• 29:15
  I,
• 29:15
  like,
• 29:16
  called
• 29:16
  my
• 29:16
  wife
• 29:16
  from
• 29:16
  the
• 29:17
  parking
• 29:17
  lot
• 29:17
  in
• 29:17
  my
• 29:17
  truck,
• 29:18
  and
• 29:18
  I'm
• 29:18
  like,
• 29:18
  I'm
• 29:18
  just
• 29:18
  gonna
• 29:19
  take
• 29:19
  off.
• 29:19
  I'm
• 29:20
  just
• 29:20
  gonna
• 29:20
  come
• 29:20
  home,
• 29:20
  just
• 29:21
  gonna
• 29:21
  leave
• 29:21
  in
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  middle
• 29:21
  of
• 29:22
  this
• 29:22
  thing.
• 29:22
  There's
• 29:22
  no
• 29:22
  way
• 29:22
  I'm
• 29:23
  gonna
• 29:23
  get
• 29:23
  it
• 29:23
  done.
• 29:23
  I'm
• 29:23
  just
• 29:23
  gonna
• 29:24
  bail,
• 29:24
  you
• 29:25
  know,
• 29:25
  it
• 29:25
  was.
• 29:26
  It
• 29:26
  was
• 29:26
  terrifying.
• 29:27
  But,
• 29:27
  yeah,
• 29:27
  I
• 29:27
  got
• 29:27
  it
• 29:27
  done.
• 29:27
  It
• 29:28
  was
• 29:28
  really.
• 29:28
  It
• 29:28
  was
• 29:28
  great,
• 29:29
  dude.
• 29:29
  Super,
• 29:29
  super
• 29:30
  cool.
• 29:30
  Yeah.
• 29:30
  How
• 29:31
  many
• 29:31
  gallons
• 29:31
  of
• 29:31
  paint?
• 29:33
  Oh,
• 29:33
  God.
• 29:33
  I
• 29:34
  think
• 29:34
  we.
• 29:34
  What
• 29:34
  did
• 29:34
  we
• 29:34
  figure
• 29:35
  out?
• 29:35
  24.
• 29:36
  24
• 29:37
  gallons.
• 29:38
  I
• 29:38
  mean,
• 29:38
  we
• 29:38
  went.
• 29:38
  I
• 29:38
  went
• 29:38
  through
• 29:39
  eight
• 29:39
  gallons
• 29:39
  of
• 29:40
  just
• 29:40
  that.
• 29:40
  The
• 29:40
  Scientific
• 29:41
  Angler
• 29:41
  Red.
• 29:42
  Just
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  background
• 29:44
  was
• 29:45
  crazy.
• 29:45
  That's
• 29:45
  a
• 29:45
  big
• 29:46
  wall,
• 29:46
  man.
• 29:46
  It's
• 29:47
  huge.
• 29:47
  Yeah,
• 29:48
  that's
• 29:48
  pretty
• 29:48
  neat.
• 29:49
  So
• 29:50
  tell
• 29:50
  me,
• 29:50
  you
• 29:50
  know,
• 29:50
  you're
• 29:50
  preparing
• 29:51
  for
• 29:51
  a
• 29:51
  showing
• 29:52
  later
• 29:53
  this
• 29:53
  year,
• 29:53
  next
• 29:53
  year,
• 29:54
  kind
• 29:54
  of,
• 29:54
  you
• 29:54
  know,
• 29:54
  you
• 29:55
  got
• 29:55
  any
• 29:55
  other
• 29:55
  kind
• 29:55
  of
• 29:56
  like
• 29:56
  art
• 29:56
  or
• 29:56
  fishing
• 29:57
  projects
• 29:57
  you're
• 29:57
  working
• 29:57
  on
• 29:57
  you
• 29:58
  want
• 29:58
  to
• 29:58
  share
• 29:58
  with
• 29:58
  folks?
• 29:59
  Yeah,
• 29:59
  I
• 30:00
  actually
• 30:00
  have
• 30:00
  three
• 30:01
  designs
• 30:01
  coming
• 30:01
  out
• 30:01
  for
• 30:02
  Orvis
• 30:02
  Hope.
• 30:02
  Hopefully
• 30:03
  anytime
• 30:03
  now.
• 30:04
  They.
• 30:04
  Derek
• 30:05
  from
• 30:05
  over
• 30:05
  there
• 30:05
  just
• 30:06
  sent
• 30:06
  me
• 30:06
  a
• 30:06
  couple
• 30:06
  of
• 30:07
  images
• 30:07
  of
• 30:08
  some
• 30:08
  samples
• 30:08
  for
• 30:08
  some
• 30:09
  patches
• 30:09
  and
• 30:09
  on
• 30:09
  some.
• 30:10
  Some
• 30:10
  hats,
• 30:12
  and
• 30:13
  they
• 30:13
  looked
• 30:13
  awesome.
• 30:13
  He
• 30:13
  said
• 30:14
  they
• 30:14
  were
• 30:14
  going
• 30:14
  to
• 30:14
  make
• 30:14
  a
• 30:14
  couple
• 30:14
  of
• 30:14
  little
• 30:15
  color
• 30:15
  adjustments,
• 30:16
  but
• 30:16
  I
• 30:16
  think
• 30:16
  it's.
• 30:17
  I
• 30:17
  think
• 30:17
  it's
• 30:17
  getting
• 30:17
  pretty
• 30:17
  close
• 30:18
  that
• 30:18
  and
• 30:18
  I
• 30:18
  know
• 30:18
  for
• 30:19
  sure
• 30:19
  they're
• 30:19
  going
• 30:19
  to
• 30:19
  be
• 30:19
  on
• 30:19
  hats,
• 30:20
  T
• 30:20
  shirts,
• 30:20
  and
• 30:21
  I
• 30:21
  think
• 30:21
  hoodies
• 30:23
  with
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  op,
• 30:23
  with
• 30:24
  the
• 30:24
  opportunity
• 30:24
  of
• 30:24
  maybe
• 30:25
  being
• 30:25
  on
• 30:25
  some
• 30:25
  other
• 30:25
  stuff
• 30:26
  if
• 30:26
  they
• 30:26
  do
• 30:26
  well.
• 30:27
  Very,
• 30:27
  very
• 30:28
  cool.
• 30:28
  Anything
• 30:28
  else?
• 30:30
  That's
• 30:30
  it,
• 30:30
  man.
• 30:30
  That's
• 30:31
  all
• 30:31
  the
• 30:31
  stuff
• 30:31
  I
• 30:31
  got
• 30:32
  on
• 30:32
  the
• 30:32
  block
• 30:32
  right
• 30:32
  now
• 30:32
  and
• 30:33
  just
• 30:33
  kind
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  grinding
• 30:34
  through
• 30:34
  steelhead
• 30:35
  season
• 30:35
  and
• 30:35
  trying
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  paint
• 30:36
  and
• 30:36
  tie
• 30:37
  flies
• 30:37
  and
• 30:37
  hang
• 30:37
  out
• 30:38
  with
• 30:38
  my
• 30:38
  little
• 30:38
  guy
• 30:38
  and
• 30:40
  that's
• 30:40
  it.
• 30:41
  Yeah.
• 30:41
  What
• 30:41
  about
• 30:42
  fun
• 30:42
  fishing
• 30:42
  in
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  summer
• 30:43
  once
• 30:43
  steelhead's
• 30:43
  over?
• 30:44
  Yeah,
• 30:45
  I'm
• 30:45
  looking
• 30:45
  forward
• 30:45
  to
• 30:46
  that.
• 30:46
  Very
• 30:46
  much
• 30:46
  so.
• 30:47
  I'm
• 30:47
  looking
• 30:47
  forward
• 30:47
  to
• 30:47
  getting
• 30:47
  on
• 30:47
  the
• 30:48
  raft
• 30:48
  in
• 30:48
  shorts
• 30:49
  and
• 30:49
  actually
• 30:50
  being
• 30:50
  able
• 30:50
  to
• 30:50
  cast
• 30:51
  for
• 30:51
  a
• 30:51
  little
• 30:51
  bit,
• 30:51
  not
• 30:52
  just
• 30:52
  rowing
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  whole
• 30:52
  time
• 30:53
  myself.
• 30:54
  Smallmouth,
• 30:55
  pike,
• 30:56
  muskie.
• 30:56
  I
• 30:56
  can't
• 30:57
  wait
• 30:57
  to.
• 30:57
  Yeah,
• 30:58
  do
• 30:58
  some
• 30:58
  fun
• 30:58
  fishing.
• 30:59
  Neat.
• 30:59
  And
• 30:59
  do
• 31:00
  you
• 31:00
  get
• 31:00
  out
• 31:00
  on
• 31:00
  the
• 31:00
  lake
• 31:00
  and
• 31:00
  do
• 31:01
  walleye
• 31:01
  fishing
• 31:01
  and
• 31:01
  stuff
• 31:01
  like
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  still?
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  do.
• 31:03
  Not
• 31:04
  as
• 31:04
  much.
• 31:05
  I
• 31:05
  go.
• 31:05
  Me
• 31:05
  and
• 31:05
  my
• 31:05
  dad
• 31:06
  still
• 31:06
  go
• 31:06
  up
• 31:06
  every
• 31:06
  year
• 31:07
  we
• 31:07
  go
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  we'll
• 31:07
  go
• 31:08
  and
• 31:08
  drift
• 31:08
  for
• 31:08
  him
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  couple
• 31:09
  times
• 31:09
  just
• 31:09
  to,
• 31:09
  you
• 31:09
  know,
• 31:09
  put
• 31:10
  some
• 31:10
  meat
• 31:10
  in
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  freezer.
• 31:12
  But
• 31:12
  I
• 31:12
  don't
• 31:12
  know,
• 31:13
  man.
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  just.
• 31:14
  I
• 31:14
  just.
• 31:14
  I'd
• 31:14
  rather
• 31:15
  be
• 31:15
  on
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  rivers.
• 31:15
  The
• 31:15
  lake's
• 31:16
  tough
• 31:16
  for
• 31:16
  me.
• 31:16
  I
• 31:16
  hate
• 31:17
  the
• 31:17
  sun.
• 31:18
  I
• 31:18
  hate
• 31:18
  the
• 31:18
  sun
• 31:18
  beating
• 31:18
  down
• 31:19
  on
• 31:19
  me.
• 31:20
  And
• 31:21
  I'd
• 31:21
  rather
• 31:21
  just
• 31:21
  have
• 31:21
  a
• 31:21
  fly
• 31:22
  rod.
• 31:23
  Yeah,
• 31:24
  fair
• 31:24
  enough.
• 31:24
  Hard
• 31:25
  to.
• 31:25
  Hard
• 31:25
  to
• 31:25
  cast
• 31:25
  a
• 31:26
  downrigger
• 31:26
  on
• 31:26
  a
• 31:27
  fly
• 31:27
  rod.
• 31:27
  No
• 31:28
  doubt.
• 31:29
  Anything
• 31:29
  else
• 31:30
  you
• 31:30
  want
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  share
• 31:30
  with
• 31:30
  our
• 31:30
  listeners
• 31:31
  before
• 31:31
  I
• 31:31
  let
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  hop
• 31:31
  this
• 31:32
  evening?
• 31:32
  That's
• 31:33
  it,
• 31:33
  man.
• 31:33
  I
• 31:34
  think
• 31:34
  I'm
• 31:34
  good.
• 31:34
  Yeah.
• 31:35
  And
• 31:35
  so
• 31:35
  if
• 31:35
  folks
• 31:36
  wanted
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  reach
• 31:36
  out
• 31:37
  and,
• 31:38
  you
• 31:38
  know,
• 31:39
  get
• 31:39
  a
• 31:39
  commission,
• 31:39
  piece
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  artwork,
• 31:40
  or
• 31:40
  they're
• 31:41
  like,
• 31:41
  hey,
• 31:41
  man,
• 31:41
  I
• 31:41
  want
• 31:42
  like
• 31:42
  a
• 31:42
  patch
• 31:42
  for
• 31:43
  a
• 31:43
  hat
• 31:43
  or
• 31:43
  anything
• 31:44
  like
• 31:44
  that,
• 31:44
  you
• 31:44
  know,
• 31:45
  what's
• 31:45
  the
• 31:45
  best
• 31:45
  way
• 31:45
  for
• 31:45
  them
• 31:45
  to
• 31:46
  catch
• 31:46
  up
• 31:46
  with
• 31:46
  you?
• 31:47
  Sure.
• 31:48
  I
• 31:48
  would
• 31:48
  say
• 31:48
  probably
• 31:48
  just
• 31:49
  my
• 31:49
  Instagram.
• 31:49
  It's
• 31:49
  just
• 31:50
  @aaronchineart
• 31:52
  or
• 31:52
  @theboxgallery_tattoos
• 31:53
  is
• 31:53
  the
• 31:54
  shop
• 31:54
  Instagram
• 31:55
  page
• 31:55
  that
• 31:55
  you
• 31:55
  can
• 31:55
  reach
• 31:55
  out
• 31:56
  through
• 31:56
  there.
• 31:56
  Gotcha.
• 31:57
  And
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  would
• 31:57
  imagine
• 31:57
  that's
• 31:58
  probably
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  best
• 31:58
  thing
• 31:58
  to
• 31:58
  do
• 31:59
  for
• 31:59
  all
• 32:00
  of
• 32:00
  your
• 32:00
  art
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  your
• 32:00
  fishing
• 32:01
  adventures
• 32:01
  as
• 32:01
  well,
• 32:02
  right?
• 32:02
  Yes,
• 32:03
  sir.
• 32:03
  Gotcha.
• 32:04
  And
• 32:04
  if
• 32:04
  they
• 32:04
  want
• 32:04
  to
• 32:05
  fish
• 32:05
  with
• 32:05
  you
• 32:05
  for
• 32:05
  Steelhead,
• 32:06
  should
• 32:06
  they
• 32:06
  hit
• 32:07
  the
• 32:07
  SAO
• 32:08
  site
• 32:08
  or
• 32:08
  should
• 32:08
  they
• 32:08
  ping
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  again
• 32:09
  on
• 32:09
  Instagram?
• 32:11
  Either
• 32:11
  way,
• 32:11
  a
• 32:12
  lot
• 32:12
  of
• 32:12
  people
• 32:12
  just
• 32:12
  reach
• 32:12
  out
• 32:13
  to
• 32:13
  me
• 32:13
  personally
• 32:13
  and
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  could
• 32:13
  kind
• 32:14
  of
• 32:14
  see
• 32:14
  you.
• 32:14
  You
• 32:15
  know
• 32:15
  what?
• 32:15
  I
• 32:15
  have
• 32:15
  available
• 32:16
  openings,
• 32:17
  but
• 32:17
  all
• 32:17
  the
• 32:17
  bookings
• 32:18
  go
• 32:18
  through
• 32:18
  Patrick
• 32:19
  as
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  Steelhead
• 32:19
  Alley
• 32:20
  Outfitters.
• 32:20
  So
• 32:20
  eventually
• 32:20
  I
• 32:21
  just
• 32:21
  ship
• 32:21
  you
• 32:21
  over
• 32:21
  there.
• 32:22
  But
• 32:22
  either
• 32:23
  way,
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  either
• 32:24
  reach
• 32:24
  out
• 32:24
  to
• 32:24
  Steelhead
• 32:24
  Alley
• 32:25
  Outfitters
• 32:25
  or
• 32:25
  myself
• 32:26
  and
• 32:26
  get
• 32:27
  you
• 32:27
  set
• 32:27
  up.
• 32:27
  Very
• 32:28
  cool.
• 32:28
  Well,
• 32:28
  I'm
• 32:28
  glad
• 32:28
  we
• 32:29
  were
• 32:29
  able
• 32:29
  to
• 32:29
  catch
• 32:29
  up
• 32:29
  this
• 32:29
  evening.
• 32:30
  I
• 32:30
  really
• 32:30
  appreciate
• 32:30
  you
• 32:30
  making
• 32:31
  the
• 32:31
  time.
• 32:32
  Me
• 32:32
  too,
• 32:32
  Marvin.
• 32:32
  Thanks
• 32:33
  for
• 32:33
  having
• 32:33
  me,
• 32:33
  man.
• 32:33
  Take
• 32:34
  care.
• 32:34
  All
• 32:35
  right,
• 32:35
  my
• 32:35
  buddy.
• 32:36
  Well,
• 32:36
  folks,
• 32:37
  we
• 32:37
  hope
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  enjoyed
• 32:38
  the
• 32:38
  interview
• 32:38
  as
• 32:38
  much
• 32:39
  as
• 32:39
  we
• 32:39
  enjoyed
• 32:39
  bringing
• 32:39
  it
• 32:39
  to
• 32:40
  you.
• 32:40
  Don't
• 32:40
  forget
• 32:41
  to
• 32:41
  check
• 32:41
  out
• 32:41
  the
• 32:41
  links
• 32:41
  to
• 32:41
  all
• 32:42
  this
• 32:42
  episode's
• 32:42
  sponsors
• 32:43
  in
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  show
• 32:43
  Notes.
• 32:44
  Tight
• 32:44
  lines,
• 32:45
  everybody.