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Birds Weekly: "From The Very First Drive ... It Was All Academic" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi once again.
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Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to this freshest edition of Birds Weekly, presented
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Speaker 2: by the Inside the Birds and Network.
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Speaker 1: From a man, Ray didn't drum, Derek Gunn and Ray.
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Speaker 1: It was like the varsity playing the JV.
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Speaker 2: And when you think about it, the Eagles really needed
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Speaker 2: a game of this ease when you consider every game
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Speaker 2: except the second Giants game has been a nail bier,
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Speaker 2: nip and tuck. They have been. They have gone to
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Speaker 2: the limits in every game but one. It was nice
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Speaker 2: to see them come out from the very first drive
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Speaker 2: thirteen plays, sixty seven yards, touchdown, and from there it
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Speaker 2: was all academic.
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Speaker 3: Yep, that was That's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: That was what my thinking was with this game was
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Speaker 4: there's no question the Eagles are a better team.
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Speaker 3: And I mean if the Raiders, I said to you
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Speaker 3: a moment ago.
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Speaker 4: I haven't seen the Tennessee Titans this year, so it's
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Speaker 4: hard for me to say, but I can't imagine they're
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Speaker 4: worse than the Raiders. I mean, the Raiders are the
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Speaker 4: worst team I've seen this year by far. So the
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Speaker 4: Eagles were clearly the better team. You know, but how
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Speaker 4: often do we see Eagles team sometimes play down to
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Speaker 4: the level of the team they're playing. And my thought
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Speaker 4: in this game was, look, just come out and just
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Speaker 4: take control of this game right away. You know, not
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Speaker 4: start three and out, three and out and you wind
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Speaker 4: up with a game that's ten to six in the
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Speaker 4: third quarter and you keep a bad team in the game.
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Speaker 4: Just come out, grab it by the throat in the
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Speaker 4: first series, and just stay on top of them the
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Speaker 4: whole game. And that's what the Eagles did. As you said,
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Speaker 4: they came out thirteen play, drive right down the field, scored,
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Speaker 4: they get the ball back, they take it down the field,
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Speaker 4: kick field goal, and the game's over in effect, I
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Speaker 4: mean at that point. But I mean we've often seen
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Speaker 4: the Eagles struggle and sputter and fool around with bad
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Speaker 4: teams and get.
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Speaker 3: Themselves in trouble sometimes.
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Speaker 4: Uh. And that was my one concern about this game
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Speaker 4: was is it going to be one of those kind
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Speaker 4: of games?
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Speaker 3: But it wasn't.
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Speaker 4: I mean, right from right from the very first series,
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Speaker 4: the Eagles were right on top of them, and you know,
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Speaker 4: the Raiders, once the Eagles got up, the Raiders never
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Speaker 4: had a chance.
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Speaker 2: This Raiders organization was once a very proud organization from
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Speaker 2: Los Angelem, from Oakland to Los Angeles and back to Oakland.
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Speaker 2: I never thought I would see a Raiders team that
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Speaker 2: was this putrid. I don't know why Pete Carroll took
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Speaker 2: this job after all the success he had in Seattle,
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Speaker 2: but this Raiders squad is like nothing I've ever seen before.
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Speaker 2: Basically any history of the of the Oakland Slash La
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Speaker 2: Slash Las Vegas Raiders.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you would probably have to go back
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Speaker 4: to the very beginning. I mean, and when they first
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Speaker 4: started the AFL, the Oakland Raiders were one of were
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Speaker 4: probably the worst team when when it all started. And
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Speaker 4: but when Al Davis came in, like in year three
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Speaker 4: or four, Uh, he changed that and they became a power.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they became a great team. And like I
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Speaker 4: was saying to you, I mean it's you look at
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Speaker 4: the Raiders of the seventies and the eighties. I mean
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Speaker 4: that one time they had an offensive line that had
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Speaker 4: four Hall of Famers on it, Jim Otto, Gene Upshaw, Artshell,
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Speaker 4: and Bob Brown.
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Speaker 3: The offensive line.
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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, they had three Hall of Fame receivers.
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Speaker 4: They had bullet In the cough Branch and Dave Casper
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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Stable and blanda. I mean that's
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Speaker 4: how dominant they were. And they had a personality and
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Speaker 4: they had and they were nasty, and they were intimidating
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Speaker 4: and they were proud of it. And now, I mean,
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Speaker 4: you have a team that's just in ruins, and I
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Speaker 4: don't know how you felt, but when I was watching.
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Speaker 3: The game, it was a funny feeling to have.
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Speaker 4: When I'm looking at the shots of Pete Carroll in
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Speaker 4: the sidelines, you know, I actually felt sorry for the guy.
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Speaker 4: I really did, because I got to know Pete Carroll
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Speaker 4: a little bit when I was at NFL Films because
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Speaker 4: I worked on a couple of projects that involved his team,
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Speaker 4: and I found him to be just a very nice guy.
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Speaker 4: And when he stepped down as the coach in Seattle,
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Speaker 4: I mean, he had a record that absolutely is Hall
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Speaker 4: of Fame worthy.
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Speaker 3: What do you think about it?
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Speaker 4: I mean, fourteen years, ten playoff appearances, six division titles,
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Speaker 4: a six zero six winning percentage. I mean he would
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Speaker 4: have been in the discussion for Hall of Fame. But
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Speaker 4: now he comes back and he coaches this team and
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Speaker 4: it's probably going to kill him, you know. I Mean
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Speaker 4: it's the comparison I would make is George Seaffert. Remember
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Speaker 4: George Seffert succeeded Bill, and he had tremendous success. I mean,
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Speaker 4: when he stepped down as coach of the forty nine ers,
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Speaker 4: he had the highest winning percentage of any NFL coach ever.
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Speaker 4: I mean, higher than Lombardi, higher than Madden, higher than
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Speaker 4: Hallis Shula, all of them. He had the highest winning
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Speaker 4: percentage of anybody. And if he had just stayed out,
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Speaker 4: he would be in Canton today. But a couple of
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Speaker 4: years later he kind of got the itch and he
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Speaker 4: took Carolina called him, and he went down there and
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Speaker 4: coached and was terrible. I mean, he had a season
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Speaker 4: like Pete Carroll's having right now with the Panthers, got fired,
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Speaker 4: and you never hear him talked about as a Hall
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Speaker 4: of Fame candidate. People talk about Holmgren, talking about Coughlin,
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Speaker 4: Mike Shanahan. You'd never hear Seaffert. But if he had
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Speaker 4: stayed retired, he'd probably be in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: Now had finished his chances. And I have a feeling
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Speaker 4: that this awful year with this awful team is liable
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Speaker 4: to do the same thing to Pete Carroll.
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Speaker 1: Ooh you know what, maybe aby Ray.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes the competitive juices supersede conventional wisdom. It couldn't have
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Speaker 2: been about the money for him, He's got money. Couldn't
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Speaker 2: have been about the fame, as you just alluded to.
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Speaker 2: His record with Seattle is inbeccable plus a Super Bowl championship,
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Speaker 2: and the man's in his seventies. I mean he should
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Speaker 2: be riding off into the sunset and basically enjoying life.
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Speaker 2: But obviously something lure him back to where maybe he
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Speaker 2: thought he could do it again with another franchise, and
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Speaker 2: compared to what he took over in Seattle, he's got
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Speaker 2: to rebuild. I mean, they've got a few pieces, you know,
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Speaker 2: Aston Genty, Max Crosby, they have a few pieces, But
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Speaker 2: you've got to rebuild that thing from the bottom up.
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Speaker 2: And it's gonna take a couple of years. If he
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Speaker 2: sticks around, it'll take a couple of years for him
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Speaker 2: to build this thing back to respectability.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're probably not gonna do that with a
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Speaker 4: seventy four year old coach. You know, this is a
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Speaker 4: complete tear down the third facing, and they're not going
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Speaker 4: to do that with a guy who's in his seventh
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Speaker 4: They're going to go get a younger coach and start
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Speaker 4: building with him. So I think Pete's going to be
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Speaker 4: one and done there. But you know, you're talking about
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Speaker 4: that urge, the competitive juices that bring guys back. You know,
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Speaker 4: these coaches, they're a special breed boy, you know, and
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Speaker 4: that's what they are. And look at Dick for Meal.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Dick for Meal was out for fourteen years,
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Speaker 4: but he never got it out of his system, you know.
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Speaker 3: And then you know, good for him.
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Speaker 4: I mean he came back, took over a terrible team
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Speaker 4: with the Saint Louis Rams, and in three years he
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Speaker 4: won a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 3: And now he's in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: But everybody nobody thought, you know, most people said, oh,
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Speaker 4: he's been out too Long's he's doing TV, he's doing fine,
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Speaker 4: motivational speaking, he doesn't need it.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he needs it. And he came back and
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Speaker 3: he won a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: So I mean that's you know, these guys are cut
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Speaker 4: from a different cloth, they really are, and Pete Carroll
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Speaker 4: is one of them. You know, he's for whatever else happens.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he is one of very select group of
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Speaker 4: guys that won both a national champion in college, had
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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl only three guys have done that, and
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Speaker 4: that's Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, god knows how that happened,
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Speaker 4: and Pete Carroll.
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Speaker 3: That's it.
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Speaker 4: I mean that they're the only ones that won the
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Speaker 4: Ultimate Prize on both college and the NFL. So that's
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Speaker 4: quite a distinction. But this team he's coaching now, I mean,
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Speaker 4: that's just about hopeless.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, luckily we don't have to worry about covering
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Speaker 2: a team like that. We cover a team that makes
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Speaker 2: us scratch our heads in wonderment for a different reason.
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Speaker 2: And you know, ever since it was announced prior to
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Speaker 2: the Chargers game that Nick Sirianni was going to be
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Speaker 2: more involved in the offensive structure, we have seen, as
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Speaker 2: we talked about after that Chargers game, we have seen
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Speaker 2: a variation in this offense. Yeah, you know, we've seen
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Speaker 2: you know, the shouble passes now back in it. We've
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Speaker 2: seen seam routes crossing routes. It didn't work to perfection
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Speaker 2: the way he wanted it against the Chargers, but against
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Speaker 2: the Raiders, everything they wanted to do they basically did.
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Speaker 2: We saw all of that and then some and I
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Speaker 2: hate to say this, you know, because so many people
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Speaker 2: are saying this on the outside looking in, Well, it
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Speaker 2: was only the Raiders, you know, they rolled over the Raiders.
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Speaker 2: But the Raiders are a professional football team with highly
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Speaker 2: paid players as well, And as Seth Joyner said, it's
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Speaker 2: not about the players a lot of times, it's about
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Speaker 2: the coaching, you know, and maybe they're not being coached
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Speaker 2: up right. I mean, you look at how many coaches
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Speaker 2: the Raiders have had over the last four or five years,
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Speaker 2: you know. And but this Eagles team needed this, This
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Speaker 2: is what they needed on both sides of the football.
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Speaker 2: I have to ask you like this, do you think
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Speaker 2: this was that so called get right game or because
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Speaker 2: it was the Raiders, are you still in a wait
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Speaker 2: and see mode?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it can be both. I think it
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Speaker 4: can be both. I think it was as you described,
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Speaker 4: it was a game they needed. Uh, it was a
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Speaker 4: game that they came out and you can say what
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Speaker 4: and we have everything we say here now has to
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Speaker 4: be put in the context of who they were playing.
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Speaker 4: And we acknowledge that the Raiders are the worst team
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Speaker 4: in the league and certainly looked like it. But you
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Speaker 4: can't take away the game plan. You can't take away
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Speaker 4: the new wrinkles to the offense, that is the new
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Speaker 4: design of the passing game, the fact that Hurts is
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Speaker 4: under center a lot more and it's clearly being effective.
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Speaker 4: The fact that the offensive line looks pretty good. Now,
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Speaker 4: I mean it's they're there. I mean, they're playing a
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Speaker 4: stretching games now where they're actually starting to look kind
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Speaker 4: of like, not quite like they were last year, but
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Speaker 4: certainly better. And you know you mentioned the Chargers game.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they lost the Chargers game, but they
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Speaker 4: only lost across the turnovers. I mean, if they don't,
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Speaker 4: if they just turn it over three times, they probably
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Speaker 4: win that game. So things are definitely clicking on the
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Speaker 4: offense now. I mean, it's not remember what it was
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Speaker 4: like in the first half of the season when we
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Speaker 4: were all saying, this offense is just stuck in the
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Speaker 4: mud and they're predictable. It's obvious defenses know exactly what
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Speaker 4: they're going to do, and the Eagles kept saying no, no, no,
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Speaker 4: but we all knew it was true. And now because
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Speaker 4: they kind of got pushed to the edge of the
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Speaker 4: cliff here, you know, Nick Sirianni absolutely got involved in
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Speaker 4: play design because the guy was an offensive coordinator, and
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Speaker 4: they brought some new elements to the offense, and it's
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Speaker 4: definitely made a difference, you know. I mean, you can
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Speaker 4: say what you want about the Raiders, but the Eagles
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Speaker 4: rolled out some pretty good stuff on that game on Sunday,
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Speaker 4: and their quarterback, who had been under fire for an
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Speaker 4: entire week with people wanting to bench the for God's sakes,
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Speaker 4: came out and played pretty close to a perfect game.
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Speaker 4: And so, yeah, is that something that you can build on,
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Speaker 4: you know, moving towards the playoff?
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Speaker 1: I think so.
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Speaker 2: You know, as bland as their offense had been much
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Speaker 2: of the season, Ray, and how shocked we were, you know,
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Speaker 2: Saquon not running the ball nearly as effectively as he
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Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty four, DeVante Smith and AJ Brown's
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Speaker 2: total numbers were way down compared to a year ago.
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Speaker 2: Here we sit with just three games left to play, Ray,
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Speaker 2: and we could potentially have three Eagles that surpassed the
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Speaker 2: one thousand yard mark in work. Saquon only needs sixty
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Speaker 2: yards now rushing to reach one thousand yards. Devonte Smith
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Speaker 2: is at eight hundred and eighty nine receiving yards. AJ
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Speaker 2: Brown is at eight hundred and forty yards. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's been bad, but They're nine to five and their
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Speaker 2: three primary weapons are on the brink of alls are
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Speaker 2: passing a thousand yard mark. Yes, this team this season
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Speaker 2: has been the most perplexing thing that I've seen in
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Speaker 2: quite some.
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Speaker 4: That's very good word for perplexing, because we know what
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Speaker 4: these guys are capable of. We saw them win a
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Speaker 4: super Bowl with basically the same cast of characters, certainly
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Speaker 4: on the offensive side they are. But this season has
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Speaker 4: been a struggle, you know, and you know we said
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Speaker 4: this right from the beginning at the start of the
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Speaker 4: year that the year after the Super Bowl, it is
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Speaker 4: a challenge.
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Speaker 1: It just is.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you see.
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Speaker 4: Teams go through it all the time, and especially the
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Speaker 4: Eagles that the whole history of them, the year after
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Speaker 4: they've gone to a super Bowl, whether they wanted or
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Speaker 4: lost it, that next year is always a tough year.
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Speaker 3: And some of it is the expectation, Some of it
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Speaker 3: is salary driven, some of it as guys have new.
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Speaker 4: Pursuits and they aren' quite as focused a lot of
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Speaker 4: it as other teams are coming after you because you're
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Speaker 4: now the team that everybody wants to beat. I mean,
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Speaker 4: all of that stuff factors into it, and it just
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Speaker 4: makes that next year a whole different animal than the
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Speaker 4: previous year. And it's and it absolutely affected this team
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Speaker 4: this year and injuries on the offensive line. It's kind
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Speaker 4: of where it started, but then it just built from there.
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Speaker 4: And I mean, I thought that one of the things
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Speaker 4: I found interesting about the game yesterday was when Hurts
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Speaker 4: through that that deep in to AJ Brown for the touchdown.
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Speaker 4: You know, his reaction to it, you know, like shouting
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Speaker 4: and pumping his fist. Now that's not normally him. And
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Speaker 4: when he was asked about it after the game, he said, well, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I was just happy that we want No, it's more
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Speaker 4: than that. I mean, that was I'm not going to
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Speaker 4: say that was kind of a take that to the
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Speaker 4: to the media and all the noise that he had
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Speaker 4: been hearing all week, because he doesn't address what's being said,
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Speaker 4: and he would like you to think that he doesn't
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Speaker 4: even hear or penny attention all that, but of course
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Speaker 4: we're all human, and of course he did so. I mean,
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Speaker 4: he knew that during the week the people were so
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Speaker 4: that there were people out there saying he should be benched,
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Speaker 4: and so he came into this game, regardless of who
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Speaker 4: he was playing, to prove a point, and he certainly did.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he played almost a flawless game. But I
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Speaker 4: thought that his reaction to that play was sort of
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Speaker 4: a you think I can't make those throws. You can't
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Speaker 4: think I can't throw it down the seam. You think
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Speaker 4: I can't hit a guy in the middle. You think
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Speaker 4: I can't hit that particular receiver. Yeah, there it all is.
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Speaker 4: And I think that that was we talked about what
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Speaker 4: the team needed. Well, I think that was something that
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Speaker 4: he needed. And the other part of his game that
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Speaker 4: I think is worth mentioning is, you know, seven rushing
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Speaker 4: attempts and it really helps the get it Derek, It
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Speaker 4: really helps the offense when he runs. Now, the other
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Speaker 4: side of it is on the last one, it looked
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Speaker 4: like he got hurt. You know, he's sort of limped
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Speaker 4: off the field that he comes back and throws the
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Speaker 4: dutchdown pass. But that's the other side of it. If
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Speaker 4: every time he runs the ball, you're hurt, You're afraid
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Speaker 4: he's going.
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Speaker 3: To get injured.
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Speaker 4: But man, that threat of him running and it wasn't
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Speaker 4: for tremendous yard, which it was what seven rushes for
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Speaker 4: thirty nine yards?
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Speaker 3: Yep, that really a couple.
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Speaker 4: Of big plays in there, A couple of first downs,
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Speaker 4: got the offense moving and made the defense think. I
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Speaker 4: mean it were plays all of a sudden. Now they
16:23
Speaker 4: have to play a spy on him, which takes one
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Speaker 4: other guy out of the coverage.
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Speaker 3: I mean all of that stuff.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't have to run for a lot of yards,
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Speaker 4: he doesn't have to make a ton of big plays
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Speaker 4: or even score a lot of touchdowns. But just the
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Speaker 4: threat of him running and the success that he has
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Speaker 4: and a different look that he gives this offense when
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Speaker 4: he's willing to run the ball is really I think
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Speaker 4: that's something they're going to have to keep in the
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Speaker 4: game plan for the rest of this season and certainly
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Speaker 4: if they want to win in the postseason.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think it spoke volumes what he didn't
20:36
Speaker 2: say at the podium after the game. Mark Farsetta and
20:39
Speaker 2: I are sitting there with Seth on our postgame show
20:42
Speaker 2: Sunday night, and we're giggling like kids, because every answer
20:46
Speaker 2: basically from him was like a three or four word answer,
20:49
Speaker 2: you know. And I think it was a bleep you
20:52
Speaker 2: moment to the media and to those who doubted him,
20:57
Speaker 2: as you so eloquently, you know, just said a few
21:00
Speaker 2: moments ago. The one thing I admire most about him
21:05
Speaker 2: is if you sat across the table from him and
21:07
Speaker 2: played poker, you wouldn't know whether he had a good
21:10
Speaker 2: hand or a bad hand.
21:11
Speaker 1: Because he's always stoic, you know.
21:13
Speaker 2: His facial expressions never changed, his demeter, his voice, octave
21:17
Speaker 2: range never changes. He's always the same. And even when
21:20
Speaker 2: he answered the media on Sunday nights, he was very monotone,
21:24
Speaker 2: but he was very short, and you could tell, as
21:27
Speaker 2: you just said that that stuff was bothering him about
21:30
Speaker 2: replacing him, about turning the ball over four or five
21:34
Speaker 2: times in that game against the Chargers, and he went
21:38
Speaker 2: out there and he played a near perfect game. He
21:40
Speaker 2: was what twelve or fifteen one hundred seventy five yards,
21:44
Speaker 2: you know, three touchdowns.
21:46
Speaker 1: What more do you want from him?
21:48
Speaker 5: Now?
21:48
Speaker 1: Again, he has to build upon that. Now.
21:51
Speaker 2: You know, he got that bad taste out of his
21:53
Speaker 2: mouth against the Chargers, and he put it all together
21:56
Speaker 2: against a very inferior opponent. But you still have three
22:00
Speaker 2: interesting games coming up, and he's got to build upon
22:02
Speaker 2: this because if he doesn't, if he goes back to
22:06
Speaker 2: what we've watched most of this season, then the critics
22:08
Speaker 2: are going to come out of the woodwork ones again.
22:11
Speaker 3: Right right, And he knows that.
22:14
Speaker 1: He knows that.
22:16
Speaker 3: But for now, this was a game.
22:19
Speaker 4: I mean, this was the right opponent that came along
22:21
Speaker 4: at the right time they needed. They needed a game
22:24
Speaker 4: like this, and they were clicking, you know. I mean,
22:27
Speaker 4: say what you will about the Raiders, but the Eagles
22:29
Speaker 4: were really clicking in this game. And it started with
22:32
Speaker 4: the quarterback. He was terrific. And you know, Barkley had
22:34
Speaker 4: some good runs, you know, Bigsby and the time that
22:38
Speaker 4: he got in there with the carriers he got. I mean,
22:40
Speaker 4: he certainly made the most of it. And you know,
22:43
Speaker 4: I've kind of come around to my different way of
22:46
Speaker 4: thinking on this, you know, moving forward, I would like
22:50
Speaker 4: to see more of Bigsby, I really would. And I
22:54
Speaker 4: know that Saquan's going to be the guy. I mean,
22:56
Speaker 4: there's no question about that, and he should be I
22:58
Speaker 4: to fully get that. But there is a different pace
23:02
Speaker 4: that those two guys bring to the offense. And I
23:06
Speaker 4: mean it's not your classic thunder and lightning where you
23:10
Speaker 4: have one big power back and then a little scat back.
23:12
Speaker 4: I mean, Bigsby is, you know, pretty stout guy at
23:16
Speaker 4: a straight ahead kind of runner too. But they take
23:20
Speaker 4: the ball and they hit the hole in different ways.
23:22
Speaker 4: I mean, Barkley is kind of a slasher and Bigsby
23:27
Speaker 4: is He's just a straight.
23:28
Speaker 3: Ahead, boom, take it and go guy.
23:31
Speaker 4: But I think they both bring a little bit of
23:33
Speaker 4: something different to the offense, and it is certainly a
23:37
Speaker 4: change up for the defense to account for the different
23:39
Speaker 4: kind of running back. And I would think moving forward
23:44
Speaker 4: might not be especially in these last couple of games
23:46
Speaker 4: here against especially the two games against Washington which figured
23:50
Speaker 4: to be pretty easy games. You know, to back off
23:53
Speaker 4: of sa Quon a little bit, help them save a
23:55
Speaker 4: little gas for the postseason, but lean a little bit
23:58
Speaker 4: more on Bigsby because the more he's getting the ball,
24:01
Speaker 4: the more I like him in the offense, and I
24:03
Speaker 4: think he actually brings you a little something.
24:05
Speaker 2: I also like the fact that Nick Sirianni got his
24:09
Speaker 2: starters out of there early in the fourth quarter. I mean,
24:11
Speaker 2: this game was in hand, You've got a short week
24:14
Speaker 2: coming up against a divisional foe. You got your team
24:17
Speaker 2: off the field healthy compared to some teams around the
24:21
Speaker 2: NFL on Sunday they lost some devastating that that had
24:25
Speaker 2: to succumb to some devastating injuries. And I like the
24:28
Speaker 2: fact that, you know, Nick got some other people in
24:30
Speaker 2: there just to give them some reps. I e. Tanner McKee,
24:34
Speaker 2: you know who everybody's been clamoring for. And Tanner McKey
24:37
Speaker 2: is not ready for the big stage yet. You know,
24:39
Speaker 2: he may get his turn one day down the road somewhere,
24:41
Speaker 2: but not yet. So I thought Nick handled that extremely
24:44
Speaker 2: well in terms of, Okay, you guys got your work in.
24:48
Speaker 2: You did, We're supposed to do that. Basically, the Raiders
24:51
Speaker 2: are mentally on the bus. They've been on the bus
24:53
Speaker 2: since the first quarter. And I just like the fact
24:58
Speaker 2: that he gave some other people some more work because
25:01
Speaker 2: you just don't know the way players are dropping like flies,
25:04
Speaker 2: especially in the latter part of the season. You just
25:07
Speaker 2: don't know what you're gonna have to call upon somebody
25:09
Speaker 2: to step up and feel a Hughes gap for you exactly.
25:13
Speaker 3: And I think it looks like some of the guys
25:15
Speaker 3: in the offensive line.
25:17
Speaker 4: Are maybe getting a little a little healthier, I mean,
25:19
Speaker 4: because they certainly are playing better. I mean, Dickerson the
25:22
Speaker 4: last couple of games has looked better, my Lotta has
25:25
Speaker 4: played well, and it could be in the next couple
25:29
Speaker 4: of weeks you might get Lane Johnson back too. So
25:32
Speaker 4: I mean those are all certainly positive things. And I
25:36
Speaker 4: was talking a moment ago, we were talking about the
25:38
Speaker 4: idea of Hurts running the ball being an important part
25:42
Speaker 4: of this offense moving forward, and I think it is
25:45
Speaker 4: one of the other things that I definitely think I
25:47
Speaker 4: would like to circle and put on Nick Sirianni's desk
25:50
Speaker 4: moving forward, especially postseason. Is Keith Dallas Goddard in the offense?
25:56
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there were there.
25:58
Speaker 4: Were weeks that there were weeks this season and when
26:00
Speaker 4: Goddard was almost invisible, and I always felt that he's
26:04
Speaker 4: too He's too good a player and too too It
26:07
Speaker 4: makes too many big plays in his offense to just
26:10
Speaker 4: sort of lose track of him for quarters or halfs
26:14
Speaker 4: and this team kind of did that. And I think
26:17
Speaker 4: over the last two games, even the Chargers game that
26:19
Speaker 4: you lost, but this game in particular, you saw what
26:23
Speaker 4: a big play kind of player Dallas Goddard is. Two
26:28
Speaker 4: more touchdowns. That little shovel pass inside where he's taken
26:32
Speaker 4: to Brian Westbrook role and taken it into the end
26:34
Speaker 4: zone is a sweet little play that they've come up with.
26:37
Speaker 4: And I didn't realize until after the game when they
26:40
Speaker 4: were tallying up the stats that Dallas Goddard has now
26:44
Speaker 4: moved into the top five all time Eagle receivers. That
26:50
Speaker 4: he passes Brent Sellick and is now one of the
26:53
Speaker 4: five leading receivers in the history of this franchise. I mean,
26:57
Speaker 4: that's pretty amazing. It's let me see, it's Harold Carmichael's
27:02
Speaker 4: number one, Zach Ertz is number two, the great Pete
27:06
Speaker 4: Retz laugh from the sixty team is number three, and
27:10
Speaker 4: Brian Westbrook's number.
27:11
Speaker 3: Four, and Dallas Goddards number five.
27:15
Speaker 4: Only four guys in the history of this franchise have
27:17
Speaker 4: caught more passes than Dallas Goddard. So in the game
27:21
Speaker 4: planning for what remains of the season and then the postseason,
27:25
Speaker 4: I think every week there should be a design in
27:27
Speaker 4: there that we got to get the ball to Dallas
27:29
Speaker 4: Goddard because I like it when the ball's in his hands.
27:32
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. And he was wide
27:34
Speaker 1: open us so many of his rounds.
27:36
Speaker 2: He had six catches for seventy yards, a couple of touchdowns,
27:39
Speaker 2: but the fact that he was he had so much space.
27:43
Speaker 2: And again, you know, we're playing a Raiders team that
27:46
Speaker 2: didn't look like they had practiced all week getting ready
27:48
Speaker 2: for this game. But we've seen Dallas when he can
27:52
Speaker 2: be a matchup nightmare for defenses, especially safeties and linebackers,
27:57
Speaker 2: in many many games prior to this game on Sunday.
28:00
Speaker 2: And as you as you continue this journey of trying
28:04
Speaker 2: to jockey for positioning and seeding in the playoffs, you've
28:08
Speaker 2: got to spread the wealth even more so if teams
28:10
Speaker 2: are going to be committed to taking aj out, double
28:13
Speaker 2: team in him or going you know, high low on DeVante,
28:17
Speaker 2: you know you've got other weapons.
28:19
Speaker 1: You know you've got Johanna Johnson, You've got a Dallas Goddard.
28:22
Speaker 1: You know in there.
28:23
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to utilize any and everything you have
28:26
Speaker 2: to get to that Promised Land again if you're so
28:29
Speaker 2: lucky to do so.
28:31
Speaker 4: There's a they have a play in their offense that
28:35
Speaker 4: is a really good play, and I mean they can
28:38
Speaker 4: use it almost any time you get to a third
28:42
Speaker 4: and five something. I mean, it's a it's a great
28:44
Speaker 4: play or even a great play to start a series
28:47
Speaker 4: on a first and ten is quarterback under center play action,
28:51
Speaker 4: fake handoff, a little bit of a half boot leg
28:55
Speaker 4: by the quarterback going outside. Goddard throws a block and
28:58
Speaker 4: then comes and run with the quarterback on that parallel route,
29:03
Speaker 4: and he's always wide open and it's an easy throw
29:07
Speaker 4: and once he catches it, he's always in the clear
29:10
Speaker 4: and he'll catch it ten to fifteen yards of yak
29:13
Speaker 4: after he catches it, and it's like a really safe throw.
29:16
Speaker 4: But out of that formation, with the way they run that,
29:18
Speaker 4: that's a play you can go to any time you won,
29:21
Speaker 4: anytime you need a play. I mean, that's right there,
29:24
Speaker 4: either to start a series or to convert a third down.
29:29
Speaker 2: When you look at both sides of the ball. In
29:31
Speaker 2: this game, the offense racked up three hundred and eighty
29:34
Speaker 2: seven yards thirty one points. The defense held the Raiders
29:38
Speaker 2: to a grand total of seventy five yards of offense. Heck,
29:42
Speaker 2: most offenses in the National Football League accidentally gets seventy
29:46
Speaker 2: five yards in a quarter, let alone in an entire game.
29:49
Speaker 2: Which were you more impressed with the offensive prowess or
29:53
Speaker 2: the defensive prowess? Defense at four more sacks, that's eleven
29:56
Speaker 2: now in the last two games.
29:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, except holding again, you know it's the Raiders, Okay,
30:04
Speaker 4: but you hold any NFL team the seventy five yards
30:07
Speaker 4: to offense, that's pretty extraordinary.
30:11
Speaker 3: And they did that. I mean the last time they
30:14
Speaker 3: looked up the stats.
30:15
Speaker 4: But the last time the Eagles held an opponent to
30:17
Speaker 4: that few yards in a game, it was nineteen fifty
30:22
Speaker 4: five against the Chicago Cardinals in a game at Conniemac Stadium.
30:27
Speaker 4: So I mean that game that was like that was
30:30
Speaker 4: so it was like four stadiums ago. So I mean,
30:33
Speaker 4: so that's how that's how amazing that number is. But
30:37
Speaker 4: you know, this defense, with the exception of the Bears game,
30:40
Speaker 4: which which was really bad, I think everybody acknowledges that.
30:43
Speaker 4: But other than that, I mean, this defense heck, as
30:48
Speaker 4: up and down as this offense has been all year.
30:51
Speaker 4: The reason you're nine to five is because of your defense.
30:54
Speaker 4: They got you here, and so to see them, to
30:57
Speaker 4: see them play as well as they played this week. Again,
31:00
Speaker 4: it's the number thirty two offense too. Yeah, I mean
31:03
Speaker 4: you would have expected the Eagles to smother them, which
31:06
Speaker 4: they did, but to the tune of seventy five yards. No,
31:09
Speaker 4: even I didn't expect that.
31:12
Speaker 2: You know, one man's absence is another man's opportunity. You know,
31:15
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter still nursing the shoulder injuries and stuff, and
31:18
Speaker 2: of course they slide Brandon Graham into the d tackle spot.
31:23
Speaker 2: He gets two quarterback sacks. I think he's better suited
31:26
Speaker 2: at this stage right to attack from the tackle spot than.
31:30
Speaker 4: He is the edge spot. Yeah, it's really true. And
31:35
Speaker 4: guy felt so good for him. I mean, just you know,
31:38
Speaker 4: because there were so many people that when he came back,
31:41
Speaker 4: had very mixed emotions about it. You know, I know,
31:44
Speaker 4: he just retired at the perfect time. He went out
31:46
Speaker 4: with the Super Bowl, but you know, he wanted to play,
31:50
Speaker 4: you know, and even he admitted that I didn't feel
31:52
Speaker 4: like I was really ready to retire so to get
31:55
Speaker 4: the opportunity to come back and not just as you know,
31:58
Speaker 4: the locker room present sort of the guy on the sidelines,
32:01
Speaker 4: which he gives you all that too, but the fact
32:03
Speaker 4: that he's still a pretty useful player, and Vic Fangio
32:07
Speaker 4: has now come up with this idea to play him inside,
32:11
Speaker 4: and he's very effective in there. I mean a couple
32:14
Speaker 4: of those sacks, a couple of those plays that pass rush,
32:16
Speaker 4: I mean he was bull rushing that guard right back
32:19
Speaker 4: into Kenny Pickett's lap. So I mean he can still
32:22
Speaker 4: do it even at thirty seven. You know, I don't
32:26
Speaker 4: know how many people are really aware of it, but
32:29
Speaker 4: I mean the play that will forever define his career,
32:33
Speaker 4: which is the strip sack in the Super Bowl. Tom Brady,
32:36
Speaker 4: he was lined up a tackle on that play too,
32:39
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, and that was a Jim Schwartz
32:41
Speaker 4: might have been the only right call Schwartz made in
32:43
Speaker 4: that game, but he just felt like in that situation
32:49
Speaker 4: he wanted to get Graham inside matched up on the
32:53
Speaker 4: guard next to Cox because he felt like Brandon's quickness,
33:00
Speaker 4: that edge quickness that he.
33:02
Speaker 3: Had would be a little more than that guard could handle.
33:05
Speaker 4: They were double TV Cocks on this side, but he
33:08
Speaker 4: was one on one here, and Schwartz thought that with
33:12
Speaker 4: Graham's quickness that he could get inside and get in
33:16
Speaker 4: on top of Brady, which he did, and so that
33:20
Speaker 4: play he made from the tackle position, Well, now it
33:24
Speaker 4: looks like he's playing it more often, and he played
33:28
Speaker 4: really He played really good on Sunday, and I think
33:30
Speaker 4: you're probably going to see more of it. I mean,
33:32
Speaker 4: even if whenever Carter comes back, and I don't know
33:35
Speaker 4: if it'll be this week, I'm almost sure he'll play
33:38
Speaker 4: against Buffalo. But even when Carter comes back, you know,
33:42
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna want to give Brandon some snaps
33:44
Speaker 4: in there, because he looks pretty.
33:45
Speaker 2: Good right as we move forward, what concerns do you
33:51
Speaker 2: still have with his team? We got three games left,
33:55
Speaker 2: they're closing in on a divisional title. Thank you Dallas
33:58
Speaker 2: for losing the Minnesota on Sunday night. So basically you've
34:01
Speaker 2: aided the Eagles in terms of getting closer to that
34:04
Speaker 2: divisional title. But there's still question marks out there about
34:07
Speaker 2: this team. What is your biggest question mark about this
34:10
Speaker 2: Eagles team right now?
34:14
Speaker 4: For as good as they looked on Sunday, and they
34:17
Speaker 4: did they have the offense were all to it. I
34:19
Speaker 4: just worry about the inconsistency of the offense. You know,
34:22
Speaker 4: we've seen them, we've seen them be good in spurts.
34:25
Speaker 4: We've seen them be real good in spurts, and then
34:28
Speaker 4: we've seen it, they've seen them just go dead, you know.
34:31
Speaker 3: And I wonder now that they have I don't want
34:36
Speaker 3: to say redesigned the.
34:37
Speaker 4: Offense, but kind of rethinking the offense, bringing some new
34:41
Speaker 4: elements to it. Maybe that's not going to happen now,
34:45
Speaker 4: but that's my worry is that the offense can the
34:50
Speaker 4: Eagles offense can kind of go like the Phillies offense.
34:54
Speaker 4: You know, they're great, great in the regular season, and
34:56
Speaker 4: you get in the postseason and all of a sudden
34:58
Speaker 4: you're in the dead ball era, you know. And I,
35:01
Speaker 4: you know, I just worry that the that the Eagles
35:04
Speaker 4: offense will get back into that three and out, three
35:06
Speaker 4: and out, three and out mode, which you can't afford
35:09
Speaker 4: to have against good teams in the postseason. That's probably
35:13
Speaker 4: my concern. Defensively, I don't really have any I mean, defensively,
35:17
Speaker 4: I think they're good. I think they're really good. Uh
35:20
Speaker 4: and I think they're going to continue to be good.
35:21
Speaker 4: And by the way, I think I think Epps's role
35:26
Speaker 4: in the safety has really helped. I think he has
35:28
Speaker 4: come in and I think he's played really well.
35:30
Speaker 5: Uh.
35:31
Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't there all year, but that brought
35:33
Speaker 4: him back now. And they've got him pairing up with
35:36
Speaker 4: Blanket Ship back there, and that might be the best
35:38
Speaker 4: That might be the best safety pair that they've had.
35:40
Speaker 4: I mean, I think Epps has really given them a
35:43
Speaker 4: little more stability and a little more of a physical
35:45
Speaker 4: presence back there than what they had before. I Mean,
35:47
Speaker 4: nobody's talking much about him because you got all the
35:49
Speaker 4: other guys, but I actually think that he is He
35:52
Speaker 4: has made them a little stronger on the back on
35:54
Speaker 4: the back end of that defense.
35:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:57
Speaker 2: I'm looking at your hoodie here and I see the
36:00
Speaker 2: number fifty on there. What does that signify?
36:04
Speaker 6: Uh?
36:04
Speaker 1: This is a hoody that was.
36:07
Speaker 4: Given to me by the drummer for the George Thurgood
36:09
Speaker 4: and the Destroyers Rock group.
36:12
Speaker 1: What how'd you get that?
36:16
Speaker 4: The gentleman who is who is the drummer for George
36:19
Speaker 4: Thurgood and has been from the origin is a local guy.
36:25
Speaker 4: He's from Delaware, uh, and is a big Philly sports
36:28
Speaker 4: fan and a big Eagles fan.
36:30
Speaker 5: Uh.
36:30
Speaker 3: And he came out to see Tommy and me.
36:33
Speaker 1: Wow.
36:33
Speaker 4: He came out to see Tommy and me, uh when
36:36
Speaker 4: we were at People's Light in Malvern back in January.
36:40
Speaker 4: And and he liked the He really liked the play.
36:43
Speaker 4: And he liked to play so much that he he
36:45
Speaker 4: sent hoodies to me and everybody in the cast.
36:48
Speaker 3: So I wear this proudly.
36:50
Speaker 2: That's awesome. And you you just rub availables with the
36:52
Speaker 2: biggest stars. Christy Brinkley one year, George Thoroughgood band members
36:57
Speaker 2: the next year. I want to be like you when
36:59
Speaker 2: I grow up, Ray, But the problem is I don't
37:02
Speaker 2: know what I'm going to grow up to, be honest.
37:04
Speaker 3: You're having too much fun right now, exactly.
37:07
Speaker 2: Hey, that's going to wrap up this edition of Birds Weekly,
37:10
Speaker 2: presented by the Inside the Birds Network for the well
37:13
Speaker 2: known Ray Dtinger. I'm Derek Gunner until next time, especially
37:17
Speaker 2: after they come off a win against the Washington Commanders.
37:20
Speaker 1: We'll see you then. Everybody