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Bear Bones: To IR and Back Again, 2025 Week 10: New York @ Chicago Bears · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome the pair of bones, we hear holes, Dr. Mason West,
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome in to this episode of BearBones.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: As always, I am Mason West, Dr. West, however you want to put it.
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Today, I am fortunate enough to be joined by the incomparable Taylor doll, helmets and heels on 10 to next cell, post of Second City Red Irons' Own Making Monsters, go host a bear squad show at lockdown bears.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how you have time to do what that's been saying to me.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing, Taylor?
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm great.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me on.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Two things may say, number one, you're intro every time.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've been on this show before and every time I'm like, that's so impressive.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It gets me kind of pumped up in your background.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good, better best.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying that nonstop.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think some of my favorite stuff.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hey, let's up.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a Joe.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: How you doing?
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is this people?
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the chat it feel free to interact everyone I try to bring everyone in as much as possible so throw it go ahead through those comments if you're listening live.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like I think one of my favorite things besides just how I want to run through brick wall every time you hear Ben Johnson say that is you start you're seeing it like just matriculate you have parents posting it like I heard this one video is a dad and his two daughters.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: who were just like chancing at, and it was just a very, very cool.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's cool to see the culture that we always talk about when it comes to football.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, it's a really go through the city of Chicago.
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually create a good one.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Besides what, there has been exactly.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so first off, but we have our chart review.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's actually a lot of news to talk about here.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: First and foremost, we're going to start off that the bears traded for an Eddresher, all right?
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he wasn't someone that a lot of people were thinking about the Drain Johnson's little wealthy Pike Dream that might have been a Trey Hendricks in, but the bears traded Joe for Joe Triantroyanka was drafted by the Buccaneer's back in for the first pepic in 30 second over all by the bucks.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He only had 15,000, 100,000 tackles across his foreseason so far as a pro.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bucks declined his fifth year option and he's then it upside down to deal with the browns.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: But now, in addition to swapping a six rounder for a seventh rounder for Joe Tranchani, Sri Lanka, the bears have also lose out on a seventh round compensatory pick in 2026 that they were going to get for the departure of Tevin Jenkins to the browns.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Taylor, what are your just thoughts on this trade?
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's underwhelming in the sense of, I think a lot of people wanted that big splash name of one of those edge wrestlers, that's really going to come in and create something immediate, but I personally think that Ryan pulls handle this the right way.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that he knows what this offseason can look like and I expect that free agent, edge rush,
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of frenzy to be a little crazy this off season.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I just feel right now over spending, which you would have had to if you're getting a max cross, but if you're getting a tray Hendrickson, some of those guys, the names were floating around.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You would have had to.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said they called for a German Johnson.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they felt that was too high.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like they weren't trying.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they weren't making calls and trying to figure out something else, but I just think ultimately they felt like they'd be paying too much for a player that possibly
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: in the free agency and they off season and so I know we go back to Montes wet and it reminded me of that because I think they were confident in the sense of that okay his contracts ending So not only we're getting this player, but we also get to negotiate the further contract for this player They weren't locked into something that's already been made into if that and that's what it would have happened pretty much with some of those guys so it's
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Underwhelming in the sense if I don't know how much it helps immediately or at all it's a rotational guy.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you'll see some pressures.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You may see a couple sacks.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not expecting anything explosive from him personally, but I do think that losing diet was a big thing and you had to replace him in some way.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing, right?
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He lost a lot of edge for you instead of defensive tackle and Ben Johnson talks a couple of weeks ago about how important he was as an edge player for defending the run.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you literally just needed a body at some point.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, you could try to grab someone off the street, but there's a reason those bives are on the street.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's also a reason that you got trolley for what you got them for.
• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as a layer to that,
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: He mentioned free agency.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he'll be a phrasion after the sear.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you can see what he'll end up looking like in the scheme.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: His body type fits with dance Allen wants.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's also important because as excited as I am for awesome booker, his body type is necessarily fit that traditional big long edge to dance Allen wants.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: What does that snap count look like?
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And next year, you're going to have guys like Tray Hendrickson, Cleal Mac, Malcolm Coon, Slender Floyd, didn't go off tree, Dreymont, Jones, let's go that are going to be available next year.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And at the end of the day, if you're not trading, I believe the judge for asking for like a second round pay for drinking Johnson.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's also where now you can be looking in the draft.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what you want homegrown talent instead of paying guys like Gio, who tried, but really only had one sack,
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how funny that Leonard Floyd comes back and it just feels like you being like Leonard, come on, come back, Brian, people are gone.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly was a little upset.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he wasn't as productive in Chicago.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of took off after leaving, but I was like, give the guy a chance a little bit.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, he's done what he has since then.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there was guys like, Yoni can go away.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's still out there.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if there was any phone calls.
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's already been here and didn't give you much.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But just kind of the experience of being in Chicago and giving you some stuff on the edge.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was interested to see if anybody, you know, they had any sort of talks in that realm.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there wasn't anybody just sitting there waiting for a phone call.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was worth it.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think in this moment of time.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, totally, totally agreed.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're looking for a silver lining to this move.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: JTS has not played much for the Brown ceiling played about 31 total snaps, but he has a PFF creative, 73.5 and a 29.2% pass rose win rate, which.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: is actually better than any bearers currently on the roster, so now if you expand that role, those numbers probably change, but again, if you're looking for a silver lining.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another news, bearers Titan Kulson Lovelin, was named NSC Office in player the week, with just 118-yard two touch-down performance in Cincinnati.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Looking ahead to this giant game, do you think Kulson Lovelin can continue this trend or was it more of a little blip which is based off of the matchup?
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think this is, I think we can expect more and more from Colston.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's hard to predict what the bears are going to do weekly.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a good thing we, we have the conversation last year, Mason, of what are you going to do with all of these players when it comes to, you know,
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to Keenan Allen, and it comes to DJ Moore, and you have Roman Dunesay, and you have all the, and it didn't work out last year, but this year, it really does feel like that obviously Rome had those first four weeks where it was pretty much you felt like all Rome, but then the run game kicked in, and you started seeing, you know, swift had a couple of games, then obviously Kalmananga, and then you've seen not a ton of cool commit, but he had a couple moments where you're like, all right, you're losing the tight ends a little bit, and Colson had his games.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: The key has been a part of pretty much every game.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think it's interesting because you never really know what the game plans going to be, which makes it difficult for defenses, because they're probably also asking, like, was that just an off game for, I mean, like a kind of lucky game for Colston, or was, is this the beginning of everything and him breaking out?
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a really, really good tight end.
• 8:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're going to continue to see him get better and more comfortable in this offense.
• 8:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think he was being up.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe that factored into some of the things early on of usage and maybe just not totally being there.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw a couple drops early on that you would have liked them to have.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I see all of that starting to settle out, especially a game like this.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you watch Colston at all in college, you know he's a gamer.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know he's that type of guy that when the lights come on, he'll he'll
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of that switch flips, but he's also is very vocal.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So go back and watch some Colson level and interviews from college and he he's confident.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that confidence from can build off the last week.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fun.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, the uh.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: That NFC officer player the week, he's the first bear's rookie to receive the honor since Jordan Howard had had in 2016 and he's the first rookie tight end to win it since Jeremy shocky in 2002, which was pretty crazy until exactly like you said, I think there was there was that injury that I think sent a back a little bit, I think the whole bear's offense was a little destroyed to disturb the year, which wasn't helpful, but
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: When you add in, right, the route he had in his first touchdown from last week, it was the same play that the actually day DJ Moore run at the end of the game the previous week.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he just continues route DJ unsettled it.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if in you're seeing more connection, I think, between Colson and Caleb and Ben Johnson himself said that Lovelin not being in the offense was on him.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: That that was something that he needed to work on and every time Ben Johnson said something
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think it goes to the same conversation I think with the DeAndre Swift in the run game, when the run game wasn't working, Ben Johnson came out and was like, it's not on DeAndre all on DeAndre Swift of why this isn't working, it's on me too.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the next two weeks, DeAndre Swift had career.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: games almost so I do think Ben Johnson knows and he's aware I do think also there's this combination of him getting to know his personnel the personnel getting to know him it's a it's a more difficult scheme if you look at some of the playbook and things that are learning which we heard about that everybody said it's going to take while some people were saying it's going to take two years I think it was our last game for Caleb Williams to get this playbook and the scheme down I think he's getting a little quicker than that but I do think it took a little bit of time for all these guys to get on the same page.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's been fun to watch the progression, obviously you want some more things to kind of level out.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think Ben Johnson is honest and he's so far everything that you kind of thought he would be and everything you would have asked for.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy to go from guys like John Fox, Matt Nagy, to an extent, Matt Eberflosen here, literally the word salads that they shove out there.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Ben Johnson still has his things, or he doesn't, he's not as forthcoming when it comes to injury stuff and some of that.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to true football,
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's as open of a book as you're going to get from a head coach during those press conferences, which is very refreshing.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is, yeah, it felt like before everything, especially Matt Everfluous is the most recent that you can always remember, but it always felt like, you know, well, we've got to figure it out and they, they, it's on us like it's on me and it's this and it's never really like what was the issue and then Johnson's not afraid to be like, you know, this person needs to step up for this person should have done this, but also this is on me it's a combination of a lot of things we always know the naggies thing was we got to find the lie and we're like, we've been trying to find the lie for
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: two and a half years and we can't figure it out so at some point you've got to figure out the why.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so it's nice to have a coach who holds accountability for their players, but also takes accountability.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, absolutely.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some other is, according to Ian Rattiport, that it's going to be a busy couple of weeks for Cornerback, a Sanjay Samuel Jr., he's visiting the Panthers, I believe it was yesterday.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: After that, today he's seeing the visiting the Packers, Fridays, the Vikings, the 49ers on Monday, the Bears on Tuesday and the Sears on Wednesday.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so Sanjay Samuel, a good corner, young corner, but unfortunately he had a next fusion.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: to help.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was having their problems tingling down into both of his arms.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a combined four-interception swing for a pass break up with PFF coverage grades above a 75 and each of his last two healthy seasons in 2002 and 2003.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's really in my opinion got more upside than a lot of the corners in the Chicago Bears current corner back room.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now let's say he signed next week for the sake of argument.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's don't think he's sliding as a starter.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But a young player that's talented with that injury and how hurt the bear's point of that group currently is he would be a I would think a welcome asset.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love him as a player.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that you need something desperately back there.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know, or if, if Jalen Johnson's going to be back this year, Tyler, I, I, we're expecting Tyler to come back.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, it already was a situation where he missed came back then had to leave again.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, growing is always such a weird thing to have to deal with.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure you know way more about that than I do.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes, I think it's more of a question for you.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to that spinal fusion, because I think people hear that
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if it was, if I'm drafting him, so I talked about this a lot with, I don't want my blanking on his name.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Eddrescher who got drafted by the colds with the next fusion.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, too.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Leo too, Leo too.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't draft that player just because I think it shortened your career.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And especially for a first round pick, like, Leo too, was that something that it's just hard to do and spend in a position even that important.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you're going to sign a player who you don't worry about that, and now you're able to have that conversation of what are the guarantees look like what the years, are there injury clauses?
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: What does all that look like?
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm more than willing to do so, because at that position, I'm not worried as much about the week to week year to year issue.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's more of what does that look like in five years.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: But again, you didn't draft the guy.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's not a draft pick issue.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: you get to make the contract.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, is there a situation where, yes, with a wrong hit because of that fusion, you do have a reduced mobility, you do have compensation above the joint and below the joint can something happen, absolutely.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's more of a, that's more of a, how
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: moral conversation at that point like, and it's up to the player if they're going to play.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the team can say, hey, we're not comfortable with this, but, you know, some teams, like, I mean, the cold today with Latu said, we are comfortable.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you go back to Justin Ross with the chiefs, he was there, like, the only team that we're interested in him, 31 teams.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were not comfortable with that.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: yeah with lot to i talked to a lot of people during that time because obviously he was very in the mix of where the bears were drafting and what that could look like and so a lot of people even in college like the reason he had to leave at first was because they were like we are not comfortable with you playing football here so he went to a school where they were a lot of play and like that i guess is a player's choice at that point so
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: If a Sunday Samuel feels like he could go out there and play and he's passing, he'll have to pass all the physicals and do all of that stuff, so you'll see those things.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's a really good player when he was healthy.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like give it a shot because the corner background needs it very badly.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, last thing we got here before we move on to the training room part bears coach Ben Johnson referred to deep right tackle Darnell right as a unicorn again, when asked about his cartwheel at the end of Sunday's game.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said we have to continue to highlight what he can do with or without the ball.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when do we get a Darnell right throw catch something of that where's the trick him to complain for done our right coming.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be coming.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like we've seen so many things Ben Johnson pulled up, you know, all sorts of things out of his sleeve recently.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw a few of them this last game.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that you go back to practice and it was kind of funny because he was, there was some of my favorite drills to watch by the way back in practice when you saw the videos of like the online and D line men playing wire receiver and DB against each other.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it's so funny to watch like these big men cover and catch the way they were.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Darnell Wright, I was like, how did he get so high?
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a big guy.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's getting up in the air.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, we used Panaisuo and Ben Johnson said this when he first came to Chicago, the comparison of Darnell Wright to a Panaisuo saying he kind of reminds me of a Panais.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the exact quote, but something in that world.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember everyone kind of laughing at it.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this is what he means.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not saying like he is Penaisua.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's saying he's the type of tackle, the type of offensive linemen that I could do these sort of things with.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when it comes to all of his trick plays and things like that, Donald Wright even playing kind of banged up right now has been able to do some really incredible things.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like it might be coming.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I might guess would be a catch.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's having him throw, even though we're saying everybody throw right now.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we see one of those trick kind of funky things that we've seen where it's like DJ or Cole throwing to Darnell that'd be kind of wild but I feel like something like that has to be cooking up
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm picturing Darnell split out wide of on the line and you're thinking he's going to block but all of a sudden he's the one that drops back for the screen while Rome and Cole commit or the ones who are actually blocking for him.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just what are the rules of all that and that's what I think like because I remember we got called on the penalty because the offensive lineman ran the ball in and it was like this big thing where we were like why did that happen?
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you I guess he has to be count like they have to say is eligible so the team knows that he's in the play in some way So you I feel like you know something's happening, but maybe they don't know exactly what's happening
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all about the reporting, it's eligible.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you'll see every time right the wiping of the chest when, like, Ozotripello comes in as that six Lyme.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so this also happens a couple of years ago, there was a Dalton's play where two of the ring of screen and their Lyme, I think it was the right tackle, accidentally caught the screen pass.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so like, ran it for a touchdown, but I was like, now, that's all right, that was the legal play.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you do have to give it away a little bit.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's the questions of becoming, you know, who, how much are you honoring that?
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That reports is eligible compared to someone else.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are you right away saying oh here's a pass to them because if you do now It's sudden that opens it up for insert this other player.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not sure But I have to have to play this.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I made a request on Twitter back on Monday and JJ Viet's Twitter at revenge of JJ supplied this to me
• 18:45
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• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you get the rest of it, just a minute.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who did he get on that one?
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember?
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who was he blocking?
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was from our steward.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's got work.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: These favorite, but favorite edge of that draft, but it was crazy.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: He, because Benedict got him too into the sideline, both of them just rocked Turner's world.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, I was so anti-Shemartun Turner, even last week, people were yelling at me, because I posted something, because he was like,
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: of the rookie defensive ends, he has the least amount of pressure percent of any of the rookie defensive ends.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just quote tweeted just something along the lines of, like, color me shock, or whatever, that shmaterner, or yeah, shmaterner, and immediately I didn't know there was like a fan base that was really protective of him.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they were, and they were in my mentions.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, he was like, like, really well, week one in blah, blah, blah, and then this happened this game.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like,
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think the guy had like three sacks in college.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't believe it.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Danny and I talked to this all drafts and like been when people kept trying to shove just tomorrow and stew it onto the bears and I keep saying stew and Turner said it's stew.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is confusing.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have two shemars like that.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like it's one of the things where it's like if he's good at football, why isn't he good at football?
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just at the end of the day you have to produce.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what your story time is.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how bendy you are.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like,
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: If your job is against the quarterback, and you don't do it, I just don't care.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the, and this is quick, we'll move on, but the one of the articles I read, that one of the scouts, literally said he, you know, he has all of the variables, the measurements, all of those things, but the quote said he has no idea how to play football, and I was like, okay, this is a problem.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a prerequisite that you think of playing this part.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we're moving on to our training room round up a conversation.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And actually today, fortunately, it gets to be more of a brief conversation.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like for the most part, the barriers are going to manage injuries.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to be a lot of guys either not participating or even like limited that by the end of the week become limited or false.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So really, the only starter who is not limited at least is TJ Edwards.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's got that hand hamstring.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, he had the hamster earlier in the year that set him out a couple of games and as much as I think Noah Sewell's been doing well for the run game, he's a pretty heavy liability in past coverage.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a bummer if Edwards can't go even against a very, and running back and linebacking are sorry receiving court for the giants.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you saw that.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I gave notice a lot of credit early on because I do think we saw several big plays from him, but to your point it was a lot a lot of against the run game or like goal line stuff, which I guess usually you're running because that's where you kind of saw him make some of his bigger plays.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But TJ Edwards is just a different monster and the things that he could do and you could tell because the moment he came back and was healthy, you saw you saw that run game in general, I mean, yet the run defense get a little bit better.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, but this is good.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that every week you see we've seen this long list of names when the injury report comes out and everybody freaks out, but to your point, I think maybe they are a little more precautionary than previous years and give Joe Toney all the rest days he needs because I think he deserves all of them.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, apparently he also just never did subtract this because I was like, I think he's got him called for like one penalty and almost never allows a pressure.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like just sit sitting a lounge chair all week.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't you do you do you do.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, on the note of stool before look at some other players.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just because I just pulled this up in the he is allowed 20 on 20 targets.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's allowed 18 completions.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: 131 yards three touchdowns for a pass rating allowed 133 25.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not good.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: What games were those when he was in full-time do you know?
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So those were going to be the ones where Edward was out.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I believe.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to remember which ones and who he was going against during those.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, put you on the spot.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got it.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's right here.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to be Dallas, Vegas, and we're the main two.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: OK. Vegas, not good.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dallas.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that offense is that offense.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's not ideal.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that, hopefully, because it's a hand, he has a handy and a hand string.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the hand string I would assume is the bigger thing the hand.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just kind of like a, that's also there.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, I think it's good considering some of the other injury reports we've seen throughout the years.
• 23:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So to knock a couple of these out, Josh Blackwell, concussion, two DMPs, does not vote well.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whenever it's again, concussion, it's progressive.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you have to be able to do just daily activities without symptoms, then you ramp it up a little bit of cardio without symptoms, and you just kind of progress that until you get to football activities.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so the fact is, don't know, football activities.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would say he's not playing Dominic Robinson with the high ankle spring.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be out not just this week, but I would have at least another week just with how the nature of how high ankle tend to be.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So another reason why the the trade for right for Joe was was so important as it was.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think that I've liked the bits that we've seen of Domarab too.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do want him healthy and out there because spoiler for some things later.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I could see this not past-resturning elite in any way.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that when Domarab's healthy, the JTS, the JTS, the just-and-foker added sweat kind of on his role, you may see some better things.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you want those guys out there because you definitely feel like you would need that defensive line rotation in there.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the last couple of bits here, probably the biggest highlight, the fact that Luther burden was full participants all week, that's going to be good for the offense.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in Og Bonbiga, I'm sorry that I always butcher that name, but he is back and activated.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll see the imprisonment of a little improvement on special teams.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact Rome was limited, but that's just going to be management, DJ was limited, that's management and same thing, even with Kevin Pire management.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only one I might circle that could still miss, but I think we'll play would be Rochon Johnson, but at this point, I don't know what Rochon's going to be.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a poor roger.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's such I hope three minutes has not been able to connect any of it.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you go to the giant site, there's also too much to talk about here.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many DMPs, one of their starting corners, Paulson and Debo, who's not been good, but he's didn't participate.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's probably the biggest one highlight.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: John Michael Schmitz, their center, didn't participate.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like, how am I going to do Thomas did their tackle didn't participate, but that was rest.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's, it's a super long list.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's, there's the only ones who really talk about the ones I mentioned.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the fact that there's one of their starting tight-end CO Johnson will play in one of their starting, other starting corners, Andrew Phillips most likely will play.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the two obviously, I think the John Michael Schmitz is one to pay attention to because we talk about the ups and downs of getting to the quarterback in general, but you've seen Javon Dexter get there a little bit and Brady being healthy maybe those two can get some things happening on the inside if you can take advantage of a backup center.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then they're really the biggest injuries with the ones that have happened really in the year and that they're off of the year, right.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the birds in Scataboo may have just a Scataboo.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So those are really the two, but the Pacific is just a lot to parse through.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it's going to clean up a bit of tomorrow.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So look out for that report because right now it's just it's a mess for the law.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to scroll a while on that one.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, little break here and then we're going to get into the meat of the show.
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• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, knee jerk reaction.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is one hot take that we each have going into this week.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Taylor, what do you got?
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I said a little bit ago, maybe a little bit of a spoiler alert, but I do think we're going to see a bit more of a past rush in this game, and I'm not saying I went on you talk about obviously Joe Triand, I don't think that all of a sudden him coming here and everything's going to click and you get all this past rush going, but I do think that some of the things when you talk about Montes wet, the last three games and what he's been able to do, I think you've seen a lot more, he's kind of
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: coming back into his own and some of the things where you saw that that first half a year you had him when the bear signed him.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also do think I do like Austin Booker.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people are talking about that body type not fixing it for like fitting D.A.s.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: at defense, but I think D.A.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: is also good at kind of creating some of those things, man.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You facturing some of those things when it comes to pressures.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's unfortunate part about Kyler Gordon not being out there also because I do think if Kyler was out there you'd see a lot more.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Blitzing, you know, that nickel, nickel corner blitz and things like that, which maybe he'll do with CJ Gardner Johnson.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We saw him get a sack this last week and that's another reason, but I do think that with some of the some of the up of Montes wet, the addition of JTS book are coming back.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: CJ Garner Johnson, what he can do in that in that world, the center possibly being out or at least being banged up and getting driven up the middle, creating some pressures there.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that we may be able to see a little bit more of a past Russian, maybe even dare I say two, three, four sex this weekend.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That would be pretty dang cool.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I know, even early in the show, I know I said the whole body type thing.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, you just need football players.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And even if it doesn't perfectly fit, that doesn't mean that he can't be a situational past pressure.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the thing that's actually interesting to ask you this with the Dom Rob injury, with Diob being out for the year, says Austin just become a starter, opposite of Montez, or do you try to still rotate him a little more with it?
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: play that many snaps with again, that body type thought process.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you have to try.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, especially with Dom Rob, not being there, I feel like if Dom Rob was healthy, then we'd probably see a bit more of a rotation, but I do think that Dennis Allen's the type of guy to test certain players' limits and you saw it in New Orleans.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some guys that didn't quite
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: fit his schemes like he would try and they would try and manufacture some things if it didn't work you saw those guys not play a ton after that but they get the shot they'd get the shot to try and get to the quarterback.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think we probably see a lot of Austin Booker this weekend and especially because I don't know how much you're going to throw Joe try on out there in week one you know that after a few days of practicing with the team.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that would be a lot to ask
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: granted he did like and this is just a very like because of this and this he was in Tampa so he was kind of familiar with the Dennis Allen defense obviously they played Saints twice a year so there is some sort of familiarity with the scheme and what Dennis Allen does not that a defense of players really watching the defense film but you're still familiar with it and so maybe there's some where they're a little maybe that's the reason they went for a guy like this because that is
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my hot take, and again, this is a hot take, is I enjoyed why I saw it from the offense last week.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy with their progress, right?
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: 293 passing yards, two in January, three rushing guys for five, 76 total, four for six in the red zone, two for two and to go to go, but I want a little more.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I say that in saying,
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of big plays, but the ones that were big were a lot of the, again, I used that term, trigomedicum, where, you know, or plays are Caleb's off-skricks.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were still points up on the field, due to some misphilogules, misblocking, time and spad routes, in accurate throws, et cetera.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: If this offense is gonna take their next step in their evolution, I just wanna see more success in your traditional dropback, one-hitch, fire and throw kind of stuff, right?
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can you just march down the field and then just run the ball down their gut for the touchdown or,
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a boot where Caleb is just able to through the progression, get to the second read.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of the, as cool as they look, instead of the reverse to DJ more, instead of the double past for, you know, Tyson Bay did back to Caleb or even, you know, Caleb's catch in the end zone.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's funny because I actually recorded a podcast or earlier with Sylvie that's dropping tomorrow for my preview for the game this weekend.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I said pretty similar, where I was like, number one, I'm tired of leaving points on the field and situations where you definitely should be getting that some of its penalties, some of it.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're not seeing a ton of turnover, so that's a good thing.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears have a plus 13 point turnover differential.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a very positive thing.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you want to see it not have to be something crazy happening for you to win the games.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to game to where you kind of feel like, and I guess Dallas was like this, but Dallas's defense is the worst in the NFL.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you want to see a game where you feel comfortable into your point.
• 32:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of boxes that Caleb Williams has started to check off this year when it comes to that the pressure to sack ratio.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's gone a lot better, not holding the ball long when he doesn't want to.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone keeps talking about that time to throw and it's very
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's gotten better.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not holding the ball.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not taking the sacks like he was that deep throw has gotten better There's still some issue there, but it's definitely better than what it was last year.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The mental going through progression That's gotten better if seen multiple guys break down film talking about that was his fourth read and like this is the throw he made on his fourth read
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of things he's doing that's checking off those boxes, but I do think some of what I like to call the easy button stuff doesn't seem easy for them right now and those are the things to your point I think if you start to perfect those or at least get those down you're having a team that can now feels like it can run the ball.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: that can now do all the easy check down in the flat, just some simple things, and then also can get the ball down field when they need to.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and by the way Ben Johnson will cook up some sort of secret crazy play where somebody else is throwing the football.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so you have a recipe for a lot of wins if that happens.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that teams will be able to take advantage of you if you're not able to kind of complete some of those easy things that they should be able to do.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially knowing your defense is not exactly the strongest right now unless you get a turnover, you might still have to go blow for blow.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we just saw that in the bankles game and the first person that blinks in terms of an offense might be the one that loses a game.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And when you need to win probably at least 10 wins to make the playoffs, that could be the difference between missing and making this year.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, big time.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Next, to be a perfectly honest, something brutally honest, I'll just jump into this one.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the various looked out a little bit with the camscadaboo injury, so when you look at the scat, so as the primary back against the chargers, he had since the chargers came to use me, he had 79 yards, 59 yards, 98 and 60 yards.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: before that before that he got hurt, right?
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had one more game.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had the one game against the Eagles, where he had the three touchdowns.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, kind of pretty crazy.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hide whole all this to show he was good, not great, but I think for me was more about the intensity and attitude that he brought to that team.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Since his injury, the drones are ill and too.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: They only ran for 68 your total yards against the Eagles and the game that he got hurt and he had 11 17 yards last week against the 49ers, which
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: 49ers defensive line is just made up of a bunch of just dudes at this line like it's not great and 56 of that 117 was from Jackson dark.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think you combine their other injuries and the general say the roster this team ate it and just having a bit of an emotional blow even from Oroki that was just more of a fun dude.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a good thing that the bears aren't
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, big time.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I said probably like three weeks ago when we're looking ahead on the schedule and I said I honestly am more worried about the New York Giants than I am the Baltimore Ravens and that was because at the time, Lamar was her grenade.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: We lost them without Lamar anyways, but camscadoboo terrified me and I was like, I every got like we had Ashton Gentile looking like he was already a Hall of Fame running back when we played him and I was terrified to play camscadoboo.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I agree with you.
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we definitely got lucky there.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mine.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: My brutally honest is that our special team is just sucks right now and it's really frustrating.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Richard high tower actually spoke on it today about he knows there's a lot of things that need to be fixed and he's talking about like you know again accountability for himself and accountability for the team but.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Watching miss tackles constantly on the kick when the posing team is returning kicks.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're constantly starting on the 45 50 yard line and reverse the bears.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Devon Duverne, I feel like you can only get like 20, 23 yards every time he gets the ball.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're Santa's.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole different story.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will see how that looks moving forward.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you need a kicker that can make a kick longer than 50 yards, especially once we start getting to
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: winter season in Chicago you've got to get one and I get it like believe me I have a lot of love for Cairo because I do think that we had those stats of him being the most accurate kicker in the NFL I don't think he still is but he's had that stretch of time he also made some pretty solid kicks for us including beating Green Bay last year at Lambo which we really wanted to do but you I just watched the Jaguars kick a 68 yard field goal and it I'm not confident in R's going up and kicking a 48 and I just don't know if that can be the case.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So overall, I think there's a lot of work that still needs to be done on special teams.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think one positive is that I think Tory Taylor's better, like I think I've seen some really good things from Tory Taylor, that even better part is the bears haven't had a punt a lot.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just saw today only 26 punts so far this season, that's in top 10, released amount of punts of any team this year and bears record in the Super Bowl air.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a positive thing.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just think there's a lot of work to be done on special teams.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know how they're going to fix it right now with the personnel out there.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you brought that up because I was actually going to talk with such a teams at a later point.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that we're talking with this now is perfect, you listed it all out really well.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think one of the most frustrating things for me is the Dev and Du Renee of it all, because I mean, that's literally why you were brought here, was to be that kick returner and he's always been someone that I've liked in that role even when he was with the Ravens and things like that.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's a huge average returner, so what the 20, 25, that's, yeah.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just not what you're looking for and to start a game like you did against the bankals luckily with the Ben Johnson of it all and the culture in the mindset it didn't cripple you but to start already down 7-0 with you know because with 10 seconds off the clock because they returned it like they did untouched is is insanely frustrating.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember I was listening to, I believe it was a conversation on the football show, so to give them credit, and it was a conversation about special teams as a whole.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so go ahead and listen to that if you can.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fantastic show, but one of the things that really stood out to me was a conversation about end-of-game scenarios and with the fuel goals as they are currently.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that you have guys like the Jack Wars hitting that crazy field goal, the fact that you have brand, brand, Aubrey, on the Cowboys who is in range we walks into the stadium,
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: it's very different the mentality of how many yards you now need to get in those end of games and arrows and unfortunately for the bears right now I mean anything over 40 yards I'm like I'm very unsure what Cairo can do and that extends even to the kickoff game where do you just need to kick it through the end zone he can't really I mean luckily he got a pretty deep in that bangles game where they chose not to return it but that is a concern and I remember talking to someone and they were just saying well Cairo's consistent under in this yard range and it's
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: how much do I care about that right now?
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's easy to say that right now because it's always a let's say you elevate a Jake Moody and he misses a 35 year review then I'll care more.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But right now the truth that I'm looking at is the bear's art at this advantage when it comes to that.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I mean, you go back and there's a few examples already.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this game easily you could have lost because Cairo couldn't make a a fill goal, couldn't make an extra point.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You go back to the Vikings game.
• 39:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That possibly could be a win if Cairo made that fill goal.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think there's too many situations.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now where it's hurt the bears in a negative way and you're leaving too many points on the field.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: A team that
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that you talk about complimentary football of being like, okay, if the defense I think was playing well early in the offense wasn't quite clicking and so the defense was getting a bunch of turnovers though and everything was kind of looking at least decent early on even when the offense wasn't clicking so you're winning some games then the defense starts getting really banged up the offense starts taking off the the run games going it just hasn't felt like the special teams other than the couple games Jake booty was playing and the kicking realm.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: that it felt you felt comfortable and it just can't.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that I don't really know to your point what if moody count they do get rid of Cairo and moody comes out and misses a couple and then you're back to like okay well at least Cairo can make you know that up to 4045.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a tricky thing but you do have to start thinking about some solutions.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I almost this whole last game I was like just go for it.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like fourth and five go for it.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fourth and two go for it because I don't trust Cairo and that's not you can't you can't have that.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to keep rolling.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is your will and this humor?
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's something quirky or funnier.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think one of the, I guess Darnell Wright cartwheels, the first thing that popped in my head for this, if anybody hasn't seen it, they've been Johnson talked about it too.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was hilarious.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is when we talk about Darnell Wright and General and Ben Johnson's comment about with or without the ball in his hand.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's in athletic tackle.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's a big athletic tackle, which you, it's wild to see so that him move the way that he does sometimes.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just thought it was cool because in such a up and down moment like heart shattered when that they get the on side kick to being able to have that constant touch down to seeing Darno right just doing well also I missed the part where Caleb Williams smirking on the sideline right before they went out to complete to go for that drive.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then winning and then saying darn I'll just doing flips part of me is always like be careful Don't like pull a hammy or something, but also have fun So I just thought that was cool.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It made me laugh and I think them talking about Ben Johnson Ben Johnson so stoic all the time and so like even in that question They were like when you were watching the end of the game to that you could tell he thought they were about to ask something about the game And when they said the cart will you immediately just like lit up and smiled and that's the that's the Ben Johnson we see on the field He's in game mode
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the locker room, he's in, let's have fun and go crazy and we're a family mode and so I just think it's really fun to kind of watch this team come together and have fun It's been a while since I feel like we've been able to have fun.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's such a good point that you raise because it's been kind of tough covering the bears as of late and then and just being a bearer's fan in general And you go fan for the most part it has been tough so to have to some energy infused is is this great Mindless to the bulls right now fantastic the fact that Cubs made the playoff The black hocks are you know at least in games, so that's a fun.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah right now Travis sports is doing okay.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: My well-intest humorous though.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I found it kind of funny.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The worry in hand-ringing regarding Roman Dunes a last week There were some people saying Rome was too big of a focus at this offense getting too many targets Then he has a zero-catch three target game and people are a pan-ringing again Even after this zero-catch game Rome still rings forth in Percentor Sheriff teams area arch with 39.92%
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So at the end of the day and Ben is the kind of guy where he's going to put the game pan together that he thinks is going to be the best to win the game, right?
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so that might be game where Rome just blocks his butt off for the entire game because and that's going to change potentially even mid game, right?
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously broke.
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were looking at Rome early in that shift and this is going to be some games where DJ Moore gets a bunch of these, you know, short, you know, like hand off here, a screen there, you know, maybe a fade route that he actually ran really well at that.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: get it first down on third and in five, I believe it was.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden, you know, this is a close and lovely game.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, every player every week, I don't think we need to just dive in and don't know or analyze this.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And even in a cluster, you might run in through three games in a row where it's like, why is this player not getting target more?
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, Ben's going, this is a live and breathing thing with Ben, and you just got to live with that.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my fantasy football friends were not happy at all who had room, but I don't care.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, I love Romanians.
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you follow me on Twitter, if you listen to my podcast, I am the head of his fan club and I was pre-draft and so I, he's so incredible at all of the things that he does.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I love that he was miced up and the bears put that out because it showed people that number one, he's blocking his butt off this year.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: no rock block, whatever that quote is, I always forget what it is, but if you, you want them to do all of it, you don't want to see the, what's had been an issue, what did you get more before when he wasn't getting the ball, you were seeing some pouting, you weren't seeing maybe full effort blocking some of those type of things, and with Rome, you see all of it, like there's never, he's high-fiving everybody else on the sideline, the whole entire time telling them good job, he's blocking crazy, we've honestly seen a ton of 11, 11 personnel.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: from Ben Johnson this year and because Rome is blocking so well, I think that's a part of why it's working so well.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that this is to me, I'm not worried about Roman Doonsay.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're still going to see more Roman Doonsay games.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still think he can be one of the better white receivers in the league.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that to your point, there's a lot of maps to feed on this team and Ben Johnson's not one of those guys that's going to let Caleb have one guy that he's comfortable with.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson wants Caleb to become comfortable in his offense, not with one player.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's one thing I keep focusing on.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: James Adunze is not really helping right now, but Rome commented on that today too pretty much saying we can have he has his own opinion that doesn't mean they're the same.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I respect that because it's pretty much his dad was saying trade him and Rome's pretty much like my dad is emotional and that's my dad and I respect him, but he has different opinions than I do.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I respect Rome for that too.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: We gotta be taking phones away from some of these parents like Roman do you say tie some agents that you know James Daniel's mom everyone's getting too involved.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and everyone said it would be Caleb's dad and Caleb's dad's been so chill.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's a wild retweet something fun.
• 46:13
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• 46:19
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• 46:21
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• 46:22
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• 46:22
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• 46:23
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• 46:25
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• 46:26
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• 46:28
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• 46:29
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• 46:32
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• 46:32
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• 46:33
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• 46:37
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• 46:38
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• 46:42
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• 46:43
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• 46:53
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• 46:54
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• 46:57
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• 47:00
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• 47:01
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• 47:03
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• 47:06
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• 47:07
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• 47:09
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• 47:11
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• 47:22
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• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Bears vs. Giants Robert has been played 63 times with eight postseason games, the Chicago Bears won 36 those games and then Giants won 25 and they also tied twice.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's lost their last matchup 12 to 20 and a game where the only point scored by the Bears was by Kigger Michael Bagley at the time.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Trev on Westgo, remember him, had one
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, when was that?
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was three years, three years going on.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was that a Thanksgiving?
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: That one, I don't recall.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good question.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I vaguely remember a Thanksgiving and just being very sad.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a good time.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, a couple questions for you.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We kind of talked with this a little bit, but in your opinion, did the bears do enough at the trade deadline for where they are currently as a team?
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely would have liked to corner, honestly, but to your point, I don't know what that looks like.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they really felt like giving away high draft capital for that.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a lot of money to work with, so I really don't know what that would have looks like for them.
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just think this corner room needs help, and to what I mentioned earlier about the two injuries with Jalen and Kyler, they're just
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those are massive players.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a two of your best defense of players that you're without right now.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you see that when you see all of the charts right now of where the bears defenses and a pretty much every category, it's not good.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Other than turnovers, they've continued to figure that out somehow every game.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I would have liked
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe another move.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not in that realm where I'm so upset that he didn't make some crazy splash move for one of those top defense events I just think it's a little unrealistic for what you would have had to pay But I would have honestly liked some sort of corner.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't have to be some star name just just a body in there to help out a little bit Because there's some games where I'm like what happens?
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like what if right gets hurt?
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're really like in the trenches at this point
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you how many times I've gone from, I think Nishon writes unplayable as a corner to if he's been banged up a little bit on the field and like, oh my god, what's going to happen to get to her.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the flip between the two of I hate you, but I need you is I hate that this is where I'm at.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now we're seeing obviously Blackwell's injured too.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I truly, I'm not really sure what they do if anything else happens at this point.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe Ryan Poles can play some corner at this point.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Next question, the giants are two in seven in fourth, trailing to commanders who are struggling at three and six, Jane Danes will be out for a while with that dislocated elbow.
• 49:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Cowboys who are three and five, Jerry Jones apparently thinks that they are just in the running with all the trades that the trades he's making, what would Brian Dable and the giants have to do for the rest of the year for Brian Dable's specific way to keep his job.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we had a long conversation about this on helmets and heels yesterday.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that table might be a little lucky losing neighbors in Skataboo because I think you kind of have that in your back pocket of look what my offences were doing when these guys were healthy.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: They also have had a brutal schedule to start by the way.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: If no one's look, go back and look at the start of the giant schedule like three terrible.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been pretty tough.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think he has those couple things
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know dangling there.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest things for me if you continue to see Jackson Dart still make plays and be a big part of that offense.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know right now the top 10 rushing rookies Jackson Dart's like third or something like that and rushing yard.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's using his legs a lot.
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I already he has one of the better arms too.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if some of those things start to pan out and you're seeing him develop in a good way, we talk about this defense.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: The defense of
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Brian Burns is having a career year and that's one of the biggest worries that I'm looking at this weekend.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there's things that he can kind of say.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: But look, I didn't have two, my two offensive weapons that I gained plan the entire off season around.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So give me one more year, granted, I think he's in year four.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really know what contracts and stuff look like in that, but I do think he has a little bit to hang over being like, we've been over to score a good amount of points against some good teams.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me see what I can do with my two offensive weapons that I lost.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It brand-dable to it's in a five year deal.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so he has one point too, so he has one more.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but you do run into that whole like lame duck contracty thing.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And even with Joe Shane a little bit, does he want to distance himself where if you have one more really bad year, does the mayor of family, are they just over it?
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He might have looked out with health at all.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: This has turned out.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you need to see some steps from Jackson Dart where you can really point to and say, like, hey, look, this guy came in.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have terrible schedules.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So as you said, it's a start with, but you can see he got better and I'm the reason he got better because, you know, the coaching I gave.
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, love it.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, it rehabilitated.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: a matchup or specific dynamic that we love for the bears when we hate for the bears and one that if we were the coach, we'd focus on fixing this week.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: My love was Ben Johnson versus the Gen C defensive coordinator Shane Bowen in the last three games, the Giants have allowed 33, 30 and 34 points.
• 52:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you or Giants rank 29th in EPA or play a loud?
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They are also allowing an average of 382.1 yards per game through their first nine weeks.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And their run defense is specifically very terrible.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They allow a rushing EPA per play at 0.151, which ranks 32nd dead last.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, you know, common unguised last down there, Swift.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say, Rayne O'Brien Burns has recorded 11 Saxophyr this year, but the rest of the team has five Saxcom binded.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, the bear is right, and he talks about how prolific the offensive spin this year.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: They rank 9th in total yards, 15 yards per play, 7th in percent of drives ending in the score, 7th in often to be a paper play, and 6 lowest drives that end in a turnover.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So overall, pretty good.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love hearing all those offensive stats.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's honestly still hard to believe some of the days.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: My love kind of plays off of that and it's the run game.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: The giants are 30th in the NFL, allowing 148.9 rushing yards a game in a league high of 5.7 yards per carry.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be kind of the recipe to get this game going like we've seen recently when Menonga and Swift have their days I feel like it opens up so many things for the offense.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot of tackling issues.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They have one of the highest missed tackle rates in the NFL right now So yes, the past rush can be strong especially from a Brian Burns, but
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think that you can take advantage and run a lot and I do think that because of that, maybe you get some stacked boxes and because of that, then you are able to open up some of the fun things deep down the field.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is the blend into that.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my hate is this kind of cheating because I already mentioned it, but it is going to be Brian Burns.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fun.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's second in solo tackles, third in assist attack on second in sacks.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: He pops across the defensive line as well.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like last week, he played three steps at left
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: four at right at a 10 at right opposite linebacker.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I would expect that he gets a lot of run at Theo benedid, which I mean last week bened a lot of team high five pressures, which resulted in five hurries, and that dangles the offensive line as a whole is just way less down to the
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I actually went down to your hand accent.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Especially with that trend.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm concerned.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping that you see a little bit of tie-in running back chip help.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it in this offense Ben does ask a lot of his tackles.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're left on islands a lot.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember one playing particular Colson was supposed to do a chip.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, I'm going to slightly extend my arm again on my route.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You need to help a bit on Brian.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brian was my hate also.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like when you talk and to your point, I was saying I know he does move around a little bit, but he does have the majority of his pressures and sacks on the right side in general, and that's where your weakest link is on the bear's line.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that's going to be a focus.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this game you have to give the O some help.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they've been like decent, you know?
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like he, I feel like since we've made those changes in the beginning of the season, it kind of looked like,
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: whoa this is a hot mess what's going on and then you kind of felt like and then the way he when he first got thrown into right tackle then moved to left we were like this is about to be disaster I think he's held his own I think the other four guys are good though so I do think that at giving him some chip help in this game is going to need be needed
• 55:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: and feels been great in the run game i mean he's been a great or he had that one play where he literally put the bank the bangles player on the bench right i mean i think that was also steward by the way i think that's all steward uh... for steward uh... but he is the past blocking has been a little questionable uh... what was your rehabilitation
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kicking, we talked about it a little bit already.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you, I don't know.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the answer to this right now.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you abandon Cairo and go with Moody?
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: When does that decision even happen if it does?
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I do think that it's just scares me because I feel like if you get to a point where it is a game winning fieldball.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know we've already seen one against, well, we saw a block fieldball against the Raiders.
• 56:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did we win on a game winning, yes, early on?
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember which game, but you we've seen that, so that's positive, but I do feel like it's one of those situations with how we've seen him perform, especially this last game, that if you need to make a 44-yard field goal to win the game, I'm terrified.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm leaving the room because I can't watch it, and I don't want it, it shouldn't be like that with that close.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think you've got to figure out something in the kicking area, and I guess when you talk about special teams in general, that's that side too.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are peas in a pod today because I put the damn special teams.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You already talked about the kicking.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just focus a little more on like the kick, recovery, and return for that.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit of combination of lane integrity and the kick off as well as you know, the a little bit of want to that just a lot of special teams is it's fighting through the block you need to.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, it's being able to maintain your job, your lane,
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then on the return, I mean, I don't people won't like this, but I could burden back it there to be quite honest.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know he's just coming off from cushions.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, oh, Mason, but what about, you know, the injury risk and
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's entirely true, but each time he touches the ball, whether it's an offense with an unspecial team, it's been more, yeah, it's an explosive play way to happen.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And at this point in time, I just think you need a little bit more back there, and it's full ball, you know, we can't be, if your goal is to have who you're burning, get more touches in offense, I don't think you can be too scared of having him get an extra touch or two in the kick or turn game, but that's, that's us me.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like it and obviously they have the option of putting two back there too.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's different things that they can start figuring out when it comes to the return game with the new kickoff, but it does just feel like at this point every team's like there's I'm definitely just kick it in the landing zone at any point because they're only getting 15 yards of it.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's an important one.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm going to say pressure in Caleb.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that when it comes to, and we just talked about Bryan Burns and his numbers and what he can do and what that may look like against the Obenadeb.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when you talk about other guys, the Dexter Lawrence and what he can do on the line, a tiptoe what he can do on the line.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Roy Robinson here is a familiar name in Chicago.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen bits of how he can create pressures and wreak havoc up there too.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just think we've seen in moments,
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: through Caleb's career in general, but even at times this year, when he's getting pressured constantly, throws at a rush, and that's when you've seen some of the mistakes or some of the bad over throws, I think that's when things kind of go a little off plan and the moment things go off plan, granted, I feel like he's zones in in the fourth quarter, but I don't know if this is a game where you can wait until the fourth quarter to let things start to click late.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that, and if that's what you mean, like the X-factor for the Giants is how the Giants win, is that what you're asking.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just thought I make sure I'm not going on a different route.
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I think if they're pressuring Caleb that gives them a lot of opportunities defensively to try and get turnovers, you know, just make Caleb make mistakes, which hasn't happened a ton this year, but the times it has it's when he's under pressure.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mine was for them to, because I think the bear's defense is currently still relatively weak.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and the run defense itself has also been relatively weak.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think the bandrides need to, I know Skett was out, but try to re-establish the ground game.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, last year Tyrone Tracy was still a solid running back.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw a chart today that literally showed like,
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: like help from blocking and then like a EPA based off that help.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, as EPA was low on that chart, but also like the help from blocking was criminally low.
• 1:00:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that off with the line is a bit of a hot mess.
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think that you can keep up with the bears as how they're currently playing on offense if you're just going to rely on the arm of Jackson dark.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that one.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that any team probably is looking at the bears saying this is a game where you can get the run game
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just pop it in for the bears for me.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's control what you control specifically penalties bears rank fourth in penalties this year That's not really a news for anyone but they had seven last week which is down from a depressing 11 the week before but seven is still far too high.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's too many times where
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have a positive play on offense, but it's brought on back by a hold or you need to get the play off because there's some pre-snap issue and so you really have to Just continue to reel that in because a lot of it is just simply some of its came up and especially, you know, maybe some of the fall starts and things like that with the cadence stuff, but some of it is also just You know, being being a solid professional court football player.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that Ben Johnson has to be fuming over some of the penalties that have happened this season because I am, and he's a perfectionist.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he has to, I know some of these guys are going to cust out after the game for the penalties even after a win probably.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I definitely agree with you on that one.
• 1:01:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to go with the run game.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you can continue
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears can run the ball like they have like this last week with menongai whether it's him or whether it's those couple game that we saw a lot of swift I think that's so important I just think what we've seen is that the pressure it takes off of Caleb so in reverse when I'm talking about the pressure in Caleb if you can run the ball.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of different things that I think that you can start to do offensively once people are like, okay, well Kyle, I'm not going to get seven eight yards every time he has the ball then you can it just opens up a lot of opportunity and I think that.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Caleb always I almost said Trevor because I covered everyone's.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Caleb always wants to play here a ball and there's sometimes where I think that is his biggest issue as he always wants the big play to happen.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: This last game there were a few times and I know Archaleta was saying it way too much, but there were a few times where I was like, Caleb, take off, run.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when I say run game, I also mean Caleb using his legs because we saw on the fourth quarter what he can do with his legs, how dangerous he can be.
• 1:02:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think all of that combined opens up a lot for the offense.
• 1:02:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when you bring up our just a lot of thing like man, I had to mute it.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I won't play.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was driving me insane.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just saying the same thing over and over again, my dude.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, we are going to go on to our bare gut check.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is where we use our gut feelings revitalized by kombuchaed, of course.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: To give our regain predictions against the line, we'll start with this game.
• 1:02:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Giants at bears bears are favored by three and a half.
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you got?
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have the Bears 27, 20 has it was my prediction.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I keep going back and forth of, okay, is this going to be a game where a lot of points are scored because defensively the Bears aren't very good and defensively the Giants have some issues outside of some of the stuff up front.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I keep going to, I think we'll see some stuff, but I do think we're still trying to get some kinks and some of the issues like the penalties cleaned up.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think the Bears win, I think is by a touchdown.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's by more, so I'm not stressed,
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with that.
• 1:03:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the bears win and I think this one they win comfortably in the fourth.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I might be a little close at half time just because they're they've been a little slower at times, but this just isn't the most talented team right now.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Their front defensively is talented.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jackson's are still a rookie their past catchers and run game is just there's not a lot there.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're back in on the defense is not very good.
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've also talked about there's some injuries floating around in here and I think ultimately there is a problem in with that coaching staff to there's a problem a little bit in that locker room with how much to believe there is you compare that to.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: the Raiders game where I mean the Raiders at the time still I mean they were a motivated team trying to win that game you look at the bangles right and they're fighting still to try to keep above a float and they're really there there's a two game difference that Jeff lost the Bears lost from being I've been three versus three and five so I think this just has a difference feeling to to it in terms of where the giants are compared to some of these teams so I think that this should be more like the Cowboys game.
• 1:04:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love it.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to not be stressed in the final three minutes of the game, which I thought I wasn't going to be last week and then all of a sudden.
• 1:04:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight's game.
• 1:04:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Raiders at Broncos.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Broncos are favorite by nine and a half.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the Broncos may win by more than nine and a half honestly grin it.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the jacks just played the Raiders and I also cover the jacks and they push them into overtime and honestly Pete Carroll could have he went for two instead of kicking the field goal to tie Brock Bowers changes that offense a lot.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it is a little closer, but I just think that
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: The between the Broncos defense and some of the things Bonyx can do, he has a really good offensive line, so he has a lot of time to kind of think about what they're doing back there.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I could see maybe that line is about right.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not a nicks believer, but that defense is very good.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: If there's going to be any defense, I can try to hold back Brock Bowers and his crazy was at 12 catch through touchdown performance.
• 1:05:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be his defense and nicks does enough as that extension of champagne that I think they actually could cover this nine and a half side of gravity on the Broncos.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Ravens at Vikings, Bears actually played Vikings upcoming, but Ravens are
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Raven's up Vikings, that's a good one.
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'll go Ravens.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that we saw even without Lamar Jackson what the the Ravens can do.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think they've started getting healthy and that's helped.
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know during the game with us, it's the healthiest rowquans been and you started seeing that defense do a little bit of better things than you saw in the beginning of the season.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still think they need some help in the secondary, which is odd because I love so many of their secondary players.
• 1:06:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Kyle Hamilton is one of my favorite, but I still think that the Ravens, I probably want to say
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with that too.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just think with what Kyle Hamilton is and what they can do, it's really interesting because when the Ravens have had issues in their back end, but Kyle Hamilton is such a Swiss army knife that they can go and trade for whoever we think whoever we can get and he'll just do what he needs to do.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so you put that with JJ McCarthy who, did you see his like post game video?
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was so.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was awful.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just I'm not a JJ guy.
• 1:06:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just don't I'm not very yet.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need more and so I just think between Lamar being Lamar and I think that Ravens defense being healthier and better of a touchdown win is I think pretty easy
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think to the Vikings offensive line is hurting really bad right now and I think that's something that you can take just between injuries obviously it was a line that I thought actually would be pretty good But they've just hit then hit over and over and I think that the Ravens although have had issues in that area.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: This could be a game where they turn that up On Sunday night football Steelers at chargers the bears will play the Steelers in two weeks chargers are favored by three
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what the Steelers are, honestly, because I feel like this last week, I picked against the Steelers because I was like, okay, well, their defense looked bad.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: The last couple weeks, Aaron Rogers is playing all right.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he has good moments, but it's not the older and Rogers.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just kind of have felt like maybe they were falling off, but then the last week happens and I'm like never mind, the Steelers are back.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't really quite figure out what they are.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Charger's defense,
• 1:07:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh has made the chargers.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's been one of my favorite things just when it comes to running the ball using a full back.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the things he does defensively.
• 1:08:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'll go.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that line feels about right.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with the Steelers, but I also don't know what the chargers are because you're still going to be without Omerey Hampton.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're now down.
• 1:08:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: left tackle and Joel all because he's out.
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel so bad for them at left tackle.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's quite easy for you.
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
• 1:08:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Herbert is insane, where he's an alien in terms of how he's operating and hardball apparently has just opened up his like third eye.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So now, Herbert just plays a little more Josh Allen stupid.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like to say, but I say that with all the respects and love in the world, but just with the unknown there and the issues that you're seeing, the defense is
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: odd as well.
• 1:08:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting much from the running game.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the viewers with what the little consistency they do have on defense and with Aaron Rodgers and most past catchers, I'll go with the viewers actually covering.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could definitely, I could see it either way.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That one's a tricky one.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it is crazy how much of Marion Hampton affected that offense once he left.
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild how that one player you take him out and how things can kind of change drastically.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like when the bears play the sealers and they're going to say a couple weeks, I've no idea how I'm going to look at that game as this is going to be a whole thing last one last one here, Monday night football Eagles at Packers Packers are favorite by two and a half.
• 1:09:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have to do it and I'm just going to say Philly wins by a touchdown.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like, I don't know.
• 1:09:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also am not on the Green Bay train.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a lot of people who are like Jordan love as a top five quarterback.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the the packers can win the Super Bowl.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: We are hearing so much of that early on.
• 1:09:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I go through the schedule they've played to me.
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've had a pretty easy schedule up until now.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then we just saw them loose to the Panthers.
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jordan love had one of those games that you see him have, you know, usually 34 times a year.
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has a game where you're like,
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: what is he doing?
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So who knows it could be one of those bounce back games and we saw the match-up last year.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was last year that kicked off the season, the Packers and the Eagles where it was raining and wet and crazy and there was that game was one of the wildest games I had seen in a long time.
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it may be one of those where it's coming down to final seconds minutes, whatever the case may be.
• 1:10:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think Philly wins by Phil Gold Touch down whatever the scenario plays out.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're the packers.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You just lost the Panthers.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know that I know the Panthers are actually doing pretty good this year, but I just can't get behind that right now.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really can't.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even when I'm watching the games, it's the Panthers games.
• 1:10:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you won, but like
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: how.
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: But like how this just happened.
• 1:10:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very confused and you see that.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's what you said in terms of the Packer schedule.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes, you played you'd be the lines which is great, but you'd be the commander's team that wasn't great.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'd be a brown team.
• 1:10:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The cop you got over time against the cowboys that shoot out which is time.
• 1:10:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: You just say I exactly the the the bangles they play the bangles they play the cardinals and then they be the Steelers like it's just a like you said it's a weird schedule they've played and again you just lost the
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, very last bit, do you have a bull prediction for me?
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I kind of said this at the top when we were talking about our knee jerk and me saying that I think that we get, we start getting some sort of past rush going towards the end of the season from now until the end of the season.
• 1:11:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we start seeing a little bit more.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to say we're going to have a multiple sack game and I think that
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: A safety gets a sack, whether that be a brisker or I'll include CJ Gardner Johnson.
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's playing nickel, but one of those two I think get a sack.
• 1:11:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Devon Dexter gets a sack and then I think we see whether it's sweat or book or get one too.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I love that you call that brisker and CD as he wants to be called apparently.
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Gardner Johnson there because, I mean, CD almost got a sack last week.
• 1:11:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just don't believe in the Giants running packs being able to pick up those blitzes.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's a great one.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, mine actually funny up is can see on the defensive side, I was going to say that Gardner Johnson gets an intersection in this game.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love it.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He'll have a great game there.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a sack game in this section.
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just out of force, fumble in there.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is what a signing by everybody.
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 1:12:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all that we have for you today.
• 1:12:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks everyone for tuning into this preview.
• 1:12:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Taylor, thank you so much for dropping on.
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's always a great episode when you're on your very professional media person who funk it with all the four thousand
• 1:12:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Mason.
• 1:12:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's always fun on here.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love all the little, um, you're, like, caucics, a bull story that as I'm going, I'm like, it's so funny.
• 1:12:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm learning and prepping for a show.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Educational and fun.
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I said at the top of the show, but, you know, tell people where they can find your stuff because they absolutely should be listening.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so on Twitter, you'll find me or X, you'll find me at Tadell 1010 XL.
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I host helmets and heels.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's in Jacksonville, mainly based around the Jaguar.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you are for whatever reason, also a Jagspan, you can listen to that, but we do cover all NFL and other sports too, and you can find that at wherever you listen to podcasts.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also host
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: podcast called Making Monsters.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's for second city gridiron.
• 1:13:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll find that YouTube wherever you've listened to your podcast.
• 1:13:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then also I'm on the bare squad show.
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do their Tuesday night show kind of the recap from the games that usually is out.
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say like Tuesday is at 730-ish on Eastern 630 Central.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so you'll find that also on YouTube and where every Friday podcast.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's all we got for you.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks everyone for tuning in.
• 1:13:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bear it down and enjoy your weekend.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just snowing Sunday, so.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's wild.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good better best.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Good better best.