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  Speaker 1: Israel Gutierrez in studio with us today. He's working more.
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  Speaker 3: Work one day, take three days off. Work one day,
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  Speaker 3: take three days off. It's a pattern I think.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody should use.
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  Speaker 1: Soak in the applause, man. Everyone's happy you're here. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: 877-99 on Fox. Matt Leiner could have joined us in
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  Speaker 1: hour number two of the show. Looking forward to that. Izzy,
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  Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. In your absence, Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: for some reason— And perhaps he's, you know, deflecting because
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  Speaker 1: the Knicks are 0-3. They lost to the Magic at home.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor really wants to unleash on Mike Brown and Jalen Brunton,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like. But he hasn't done that yet because
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  Speaker 1: they won a title last year. In your absence, he
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  Speaker 1: is delighted in the Miami Heat getting off to a
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  Speaker 1: bad start.
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  Speaker 3: Just a couple of winless teams cutting it up over here. Taylor, wait,
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  Speaker 3: before we get into the Miami Heat issues, I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 3: Has your championship sort of glow, has it dissolved already?
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  Speaker 3: Is it three games in, you're just like, man, I'm
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  Speaker 3: worried about this? Or are you still sort of staying strong?
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  Speaker 5: No, I want this Knicks team to be a potential dynasty.
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  Speaker 5: And we have to turn this season around if we're
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  Speaker 5: going to make the playoffs and get a good seat
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  Speaker 5: in the playoffs. So that's why I am worried about
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  Speaker 5: starting 0-3 tonight against the Pistons. At Madison Square Garden,
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  Speaker 5: the world's most famous arena, Stu, I'm declaring it a
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  Speaker 5: must win for this team.
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  Speaker 4: A must win.
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  Speaker 5: A must win.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you get the Pistons with no Jalen Duren, so
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  Speaker 3: that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: Who are you blaming?
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm looking directly at Jalen Brunson and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I know you have a heavy load to carry and
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  Speaker 3: you have for a long time now, but it's got
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  Speaker 3: to continue. Like even at the beginning of this season,
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  Speaker 3: it's got to continue. And him shooting sub 40% for
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  Speaker 3: the first three games, not the best.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not ideal, Brunson's shooting percentages, where he's shooting 26.7%.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's fair to put a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the blame on the Knicks' slow start on Jalen Brunson,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't think any Knicks fan... There's no panic
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  Speaker 5: setting in because no Knicks fan expects somebody like Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Brunson to continue struggling like this, where if I have
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  Speaker 5: a bigger cause for concern, it's somebody like Mikkel Bridges,
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  Speaker 5: where yes, we traded a bunch of picks for him,
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  Speaker 5: and yes, the end result was a title. Mikkel Bridges...
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  Speaker 5: There there's a lot to be worried about. Mikkel Bridges,
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  Speaker 5: where he still hasn't made a three this season. You
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  Speaker 5: look at his stats.
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  Speaker 1: He's been dreadful.
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  Speaker 5: He's been dreadful this year. He's averaging three point three points,
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  Speaker 5: three rebounds, two assists. It looks like he has forgotten
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  Speaker 5: how to play basketball. So for me, the bigger concern
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  Speaker 5: would be somebody like Mikkel Bridges, who there was already
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  Speaker 5: some talk about him not being worth all the picks.
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  Speaker 5: And then, of course, they win the title and it's
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  Speaker 5: F them picks.
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  Speaker 4: I am worried.
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  Speaker 5: There's no way to dance around this. I am worried
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  Speaker 5: about this next team.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad we actually started here because if anybody
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  Speaker 3: needs the advice of, hey, take a few days off.
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  Speaker 3: It's Mikael Bridges. It's okay, man. Take a game off.
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  Speaker 3: Take three games off. Follow my lead because maybe you'll
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  Speaker 3: come back refreshed. I don't think he has no idea
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  Speaker 3: what that feels like. The man has not had a
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  Speaker 3: game off since, what, college?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it's ridiculous how much he plays.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's taking games off. He's just taking them off
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  Speaker 3: while he's playing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah just standing in that corner so.
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  Speaker 3: That would just be the equivalent of me showing up
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  Speaker 3: on a Wednesday and just being like hey Stu and
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  Speaker 3: then just sitting here for the rest of the day.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he's doing he's being introduced and then not
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  Speaker 1: saying a.
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  Speaker 3: Word yeah the interesting part with Jalen is like he's
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  Speaker 3: just had to have been on for so long and
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  Speaker 3: been so and the way he plays it's just hey
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  Speaker 3: he's got to be meticulous he's got to be sharp
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  Speaker 3: at all times he's got to make sure hey They're
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  Speaker 3: taking away option A. Let me go to option B
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  Speaker 3: or they're taking that away. Let me go to option C.
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  Speaker 3: And he finds a way to go through all that
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  Speaker 3: every single time, especially in important possessions. He's almost like
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  Speaker 3: that quarterback that can just read through progression so well
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  Speaker 3: and then always kill you with the fourth read. Like,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to do that all the time. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure Jalen's like, hey, guys, how about you help me
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  Speaker 3: out a little bit at the beginning of the season
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  Speaker 3: so I can sort of breathe a little bit and
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  Speaker 3: not have everything be placed on me.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Izzy, the other thing that I think is hard for
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  Speaker 5: the Knicks to replicate on a night-to-night basis, and we
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  Speaker 5: saw it in the postseason, where it feels like at
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  Speaker 5: times this team coasts through the first three quarters, and
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  Speaker 5: then the fourth quarter comes around, it's like, let's flip
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  Speaker 5: the switch, where you've seen that early on a couple
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  Speaker 5: of times this season, but now you have the extra
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  Speaker 5: added pressure of being the defending champions, where every time
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  Speaker 5: you go up against a team, every team wants to
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  Speaker 5: give you their best shot, where the Magic can go
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  Speaker 5: into Madison Square Garden without Paulo Banqueiro, and... Flip the
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  Speaker 5: flip the switch against this Knicks team in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't he make that joke on SNL? Like the first
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  Speaker 3: three quarters of this game is going to be terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He takes off.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is, and Taylor just doesn't want to say it.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is he did SNL. I was telling Taylor yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: like he spent all his Saturday nights pre winning a
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  Speaker 1: championship in the gym, shooting, shooting, perfecting his craft. And
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  Speaker 1: now he's doing stand-up comedy on a Saturday night, you know,
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  Speaker 1: weeks before the season starts. And Taylor just doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to get mad at him yet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I get it. Honestly, I had not
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  Speaker 3: realized how bad Mikael Bridges has been. Oh, it's been bad.
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  Speaker 3: I just kind of excuse the Knicks' poor start because,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, those guys have played a lot of
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  Speaker 3: games the last four seasons. So they're probably just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit fatigued, especially the man at the top. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Mikael Bridges, man, take a day off.
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  Speaker 1: You remember when the Heat won a championship with Antoine Walker?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And Antoine spent the entire offseason drinking in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like Mikael Bridges was doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: No days off.
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  Speaker 3: That includes the offseason as well.
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  Speaker 5: And Izzy, we're already starting to get the reports this
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  Speaker 5: early into the season that Mikael Bridges... could be the Knicks'
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  Speaker 5: preferred trade option to ease some of that second apron
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  Speaker 5: concerns where it's like, you gave up so many first
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  Speaker 5: round picks to get him back. I really don't think
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  Speaker 5: the return matters with somebody like Mikael Bridges because it's like,
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  Speaker 5: he already delivered the Knicks a title. So anything else
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  Speaker 5: is a bonus, but I just got this alert. Assore
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  Speaker 5: Thompson remains questionable and Isaiah Joe is also questionable with
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  Speaker 5: an injury. If those two are out, The must win
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  Speaker 5: becomes a gotta win it.
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  Speaker 1: But imagine they lose.
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  Speaker 3: You just did something that has driven me crazy, and
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  Speaker 3: it's nothing, no offense to you, Taylor. Yeah, but you're
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  Speaker 3: not a professional play-by-play guy. The Miami Heat guy, Eric Reid,
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  Speaker 3: he oscillates between a SAR and a SAR all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, pick one. Pick one and stick
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  Speaker 3: to it. It's obviously Assar. He is not a sore.
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  Speaker 3: He is Assar.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But maybe he doesn't know. He's not confident. He's
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  Speaker 1: a very good broadcaster, and we.
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  Speaker 3: Love Eric Reid.
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  Speaker 4: I love Eric, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but if he says it differently, 50% of the
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  Speaker 1: audience thinks he's nailing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm just talking about the Knicks here because
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  Speaker 3: I'm avoiding the real topic that the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: league wants to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Somehow, the Knicks' poor start.
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  Speaker 1: Somehow, the only thing that makes Taylor feel better about
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  Speaker 1: the Knicks' poor start is the Heat's poor start.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I was trying to tell you.
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  Speaker 1: He is delighting in Giannis, the Heat, and the Heat
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  Speaker 1: not being very good with Giannis. And it seems to
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  Speaker 1: me that him and Bam have similar games, and Bam
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  Speaker 1: has been erased from the Heat's offense.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, and we're going to play some
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  Speaker 3: sound for Bam here in a second, but we've seen
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  Speaker 3: this so often with so many different iterations of the
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  Speaker 3: Heat since, let's say, 2020. where people are asking this
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  Speaker 3: of Bam and Bam and everybody's telling you, oh, don't worry,
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  Speaker 3: his value is this and he will do this when
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  Speaker 3: it matters. And it's just, I've heard that enough. And
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  Speaker 3: this is one of the things where I'm very disappointed
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  Speaker 3: in how he reacted to this, because this is what
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  Speaker 3: basically Bam, where Bam went with basically questions afterward and
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  Speaker 3: why they're struggling or Or what is the biggest issue?
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  Speaker 3: He decided to blame the media.
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  Speaker 4: Let's play that sound. I mean, the media is going
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  Speaker 4: to be the media.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to try to bury you when you're down,
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  Speaker 3: but then it's quiet when you're up.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, you expect that from the media.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy that that... Look, look, I love Bam.
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  Speaker 4: I have forever.
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  Speaker 3: And this is... an example of him not really knowing
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  Speaker 3: what it's like to be on this high expectation team.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Like if you start out, Oh, and four and
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  Speaker 3: your numbers are McHale bridges, like at times, then you
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  Speaker 3: need to go ahead and internalize and you need to
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  Speaker 3: go ahead and blame yourself, absorb the blame. If you are,
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  Speaker 3: you know, strong enough to do so and then deal
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  Speaker 3: with it, you know, on the basketball court or just say, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's my fault. I've got to find a way.
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  Speaker 3: I might need some help from my other teammates, but
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  Speaker 3: I've got to find a way. And this answer right here,
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  Speaker 3: I hated it. Like, I absolutely hated it because you're
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  Speaker 3: not there yet. In fact, the media, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the media, up until maybe a week before the season
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  Speaker 3: when they saw a couple of preseason games, they all said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this team's not going to be that good. And so
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  Speaker 3: it's not like they're saying you're not living up to
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  Speaker 3: expectations as a team necessarily. It's you specifically are not
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  Speaker 3: living up to expectations. Yes, you have to figure out
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  Speaker 3: a way to play around Giannis, but come on. Like,
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  Speaker 3: more than what you've been offering. You can't go into
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarters having four points and just being like, it's
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  Speaker 3: not my fault that we're losing here. Like, you've got
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  Speaker 3: to find a way. Now, there's a lot of reasons
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  Speaker 3: why this team is struggling, Stu.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the most.
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  Speaker 3: I guess, eye-opening things that has come out recently, I
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  Speaker 3: believe it was yesterday, maybe even today, where Jeff Teague,
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  Speaker 3: who has a great podcast, and every time anything happens
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA, it feels like Jeff Teague has been
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  Speaker 3: on a team with somebody.
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  Speaker 4: That's relevant to the story.
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  Speaker 3: And having played with Giannis, he can tell you, and
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  Speaker 3: he said this, Giannis is a difficult superstar to play with.
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  Speaker 3: And it's so funny that he said that because last night,
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  Speaker 3: there was one play in particular last night where I said, man,
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  Speaker 3: is Giannis going to be a problem? Because, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't mean in terms of like, production obviously his production's
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  Speaker 3: amazing his you know triple double in the game you
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  Speaker 3: know it's 30 plus points in the two previous games
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  Speaker 3: or two out of three previous games was was great
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  Speaker 3: but there was one play where he's coming up the
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  Speaker 3: court and i believe there was two mavericks defenders back
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  Speaker 3: both had their eyes on him pella larson was sitting
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  Speaker 3: wide open buck naked under the rim And just watch
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  Speaker 3: Deionis take on those two defenders. Now, he ended with
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  Speaker 3: a dunk, so you can't complain about the result. But
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  Speaker 3: Pella didn't even celebrate. He was just like, would have
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  Speaker 3: been a lot easier if you threw it to me.
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  Speaker 3: But he does seem like a difficult player to play.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's like, okay, what are you? Are you a
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  Speaker 3: guy that we throw it into in the post and
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  Speaker 3: then we work around you? Are you a guy that's
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the circle where... You know, we
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  Speaker 3: find ways to maybe do a high low with Bam
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  Speaker 3: and get him an easy look. Are you a guy that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because you're not really going to be a
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  Speaker 3: threat from the perimeter, should you be out there at all?
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  Speaker 3: Because the defense is going to be packed in even more.
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  Speaker 3: Are you a guy that we can play well off,
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  Speaker 3: you know, dribble handoffs? I don't know any of that
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  Speaker 3: to be necessarily true. And this is why it worked
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  Speaker 3: so well with him and Chris Middleton in Milwaukee. If
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  Speaker 3: you remember, it was, Hey, Chris, you get the ball
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  Speaker 3: sort of in the Kobe spot, you know, the high post,
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  Speaker 3: and you just go to work because you're a super.
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  Speaker 4: Talented offensive player.
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  Speaker 1: It was spaced out better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the rest of us will work around that.
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  Speaker 3: And I love, you know, the idea of Giannis being
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  Speaker 3: a fast break starter and or finisher, right? Anytime you
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  Speaker 3: have a chance at a fast break. You go ahead
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  Speaker 3: and you give him the opportunity, even if it's going one-on-two, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: just let him see if he can finish that. But
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  Speaker 3: outside of that, you've got to be a lot more static.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to be a lot more running of plays because...
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  Speaker 3: It's unnatural to have Bam and Giannis play their games together.
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  Speaker 3: So when you're just running this free-flowing offense that looks
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  Speaker 3: like you're playing pickup ball at the park, it's not
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  Speaker 3: going to work with those two. And the one that's
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  Speaker 3: always going to suffer is going to be Bam because
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  Speaker 3: he's never been a number one option. He's never had
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  Speaker 3: a number one option mentality. Giannis does, so he's going
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  Speaker 3: to take that. And he obviously has the greater physical advantage.
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  Speaker 3: But so far... I'm not blaming Giannis whatsoever. He's the
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  Speaker 3: new one in a new franchise with a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: new teammates. I'm kind of blaming Spoh and their approach
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  Speaker 3: to the beginning of this season and then Bam as
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  Speaker 3: well for not finding a way to be more forceful.
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  Speaker 5: Izzy, I think we're dancing around what everybody wants to
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  Speaker 5: say today. Tyler Harrell was right about Bam out of bile.
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  Speaker 3: I did say in a group chat yesterday that ironically
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  Speaker 3: Bam feels like he needs to be punched in the
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  Speaker 3: face because look, I'll just say this, like, Jimmy Butler,
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  Speaker 3: he never said this on the record, but him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the conversation that was being had in his circle was,
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  Speaker 3: Bam is a glorified role player, and....
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like he kind of is a glow. Like he can
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  Speaker 3: play a bunch of roles and on the defensive side,
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  Speaker 3: they can absolutely be stellar. And he did have that
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  Speaker 3: one 83 point game against a terrible wizards team. But
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  Speaker 3: for the most part, like he needs to fill roles
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  Speaker 3: exceptionally well. And right now he's not. And you're just
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  Speaker 3: probably asking a lot of him given what his natural
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  Speaker 3: talents are.
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  Speaker 1: So just quickly here, Izzy, the two things which have
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  Speaker 1: to be frustrating are, If you're a Heat fan that
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  Speaker 1: you just brought up, which is interesting to me. One,
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  Speaker 1: Bam has been on a team that's been to the
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  Speaker 1: NBA finals. That team just didn't have expectations headed into
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  Speaker 1: the season. He is, for the first time in his career,
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  Speaker 1: on a team that is dealing with heavy expectations headed
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  Speaker 1: into the season. And it seems like he doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: how to handle it.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't know how to handle it yet. Obviously, you have
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  Speaker 3: your experiences and you sort of go through it. And
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  Speaker 3: maybe he will quickly learn how to handle it. But
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  Speaker 3: I do think the roster construction has been was questionable.
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  Speaker 3: Like there aren't really a lot of savvy basketball people
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  Speaker 3: like Pella Larson to me, I think, is the most
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  Speaker 3: savvy guy on the team that has sort of a
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  Speaker 3: new age basketball game.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody else there seems like it has an old school game,
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  Speaker 3: whether it be Klay Thompson now because he doesn't move
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  Speaker 3: as well. So he's not, you know. a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these great three point shooters around the league. I think
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  Speaker 3: of Duncan Robinson, frankly, they shoot so well on the move.
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  Speaker 3: They'd shoot well, even when contested, they shoot well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: right off the, off the dribble handoff off the catch
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  Speaker 3: when maybe they're not even open as, as much as
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  Speaker 3: they're used to. But Tim Hardaway Jr. is just a
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  Speaker 3: classic standstill guy.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Bam and Giannis are obviously more, you know,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: post-up strengths and they're, they don't really have sort of
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: this new age game. And I think they need to
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: either add somebody like that, maybe play the rookie a
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: little bit. Conwell?
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's Conwell.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: But I just feel like right now all their flaws
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: are so exposed. And the thing that really makes me
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: mad is the one thing that they're supposed to be
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: great at. They're supposed to be a great half-court defensive team.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: They have not been. You can walk to the basket
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: against this team right now. Straight line drives are absolutely
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: killing this team. And Cooper Flagg yesterday looked like an
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: amazing player down the stretch, more forceful than even Giannis was.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: He's becoming less and less of a bust, Cooper Flagg,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: as we move forward here.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: I said that last year.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: The other thing that was super interesting to me, because
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: he is considered maybe the best coach in the game,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: is you're upset with Spoh for not figuring out how
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: to space these two out, not during the regular season,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: before the season starts.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: If there's anybody that has had a sort of track
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: record of fixing things on the fly, it's Spoh. He's
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: great at it. So I don't really have, I haven't
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: lost faith in him. I'm just a little disappointed in
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: how it's starting now. Again, this is something that he said,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: and I find 100% true. Nothing in the preseason, and
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing in practices as well, have led him to
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: believe that this is how they would show up. But
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: it has been now, and it's time to adjust. The
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: other player that I think is very much old school
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: in the way he plays, I'm not mad about the
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: way he's been producing, but Bobby Portis. Bobby Portis is
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: not the, you know, 2026 type of basketball player. He's
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: more like a, you know, maybe 2010 type of basketball player.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: And I think for him to be at his best,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: you can't be playing this fast. He reacts a little
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: bit slow on defense. Even on offense, he wants everything
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit more stable, a little bit slower.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so the makeup of this team... Again, outside
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: of Pella Larson, I feel like to be a little
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: bit behind the times.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Izzy, while you were making those points, I was on
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: ESPN's NBA trade machine and I cooked up a trade
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: for a who says no.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Please don't send us Mikael Bridges. No.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: So the Miami Heat send the Detroit Pistons bam out
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: of bio and coming back to the Miami Heat, Duncan Robinson,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Kevin Herter.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Ah, red velvets. I mean, how about that?
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: So you think Bam and Giannis don't work well together?
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: So you're going to put Bam and Jalen Duren together?
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't really care too much about the Pistons
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: aspect of it. I just wanted spacing for.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: You do need so much space.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: 877-99 on Fox. That is 877-99 on Fox.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Leave it to this.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Show to open the show talking about two teams who
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: are a combined 0-7 in the NBA early on this season.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gatz and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Company live weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m. Pacific
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Izzy, Dan Beyer was out the other day. He's a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: lifelong Milwaukee Brewers fan. He had the opportunity before we
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: get to him for the sports update to go to
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a Brewers World Series game. And now I am wondering
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: how Dan Beyer feels like what it feels like to
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: be one win away. I mean, the Brewers, I got
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to tell you, people say the Dodgers are bad for baseball.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: No.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The Brewers are bad for baseball.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, they are so dominant and so good.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: They are so much better than Tampa Bay.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And so I'm wondering how it feels for Dan Beyer
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: today being one win away from a World Series championship.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: How do you feel today, Dan?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: It's an exciting day, Stu. It really is. And hopefully
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: it gets done tonight. It will be a.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Seventy five to 80 percent Brewers crowd tonight. I think
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: it was about 50 50 last night. It may even
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: be 90 10 tonight. My old college roommate, he's down
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: there with his wife and St. Pete going tonight. There
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: is no reason for the Rays to want to go
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: to this game. I hate to say that that this
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: is a done deal. But boy, does it feel like it?
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, I can relate. I remember in 1997, I
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: was like, wow, I've waited four long years for this
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Marlins team to win a World Series, and they finally
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm so happy for them, because our lousy
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: organization down here in Florida, the Marlins, have two World
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Series championships since 1997. Yes, Taylor?
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: If I could take a victory lap here for a second,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: I told Dan Beyer this series was over, and especially
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: the game on October 26th, where Izzy, yesterday, I had
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: this stat that the Brewers were the most dominant team
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: in baseball on the 26th of the month this season,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: going 7-0 on the 26th, and they were outscoring their
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: opponent 53-9. I told Dan Beyer it was over because
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: the game was on the 26th, and now it's 63-10
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: where they've outscored their opponent.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: He told me before.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: And after. He texted me after. He just said they
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: don't lose on the 26th.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Stahler, put it on the poll or the Brewers ban
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: for baseball. Dan, I just want to be clear on
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: your stance here. Are you saying the Rays don't want
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to play tonight's game? The actual players don't want to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: show up tonight? I'm not saying the players. I am
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: saying all of their fans. There is no reason to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: show up tonight. Who wants to go to a series
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: game when your team's down 3-0?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: There would be no reason to.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: I told Taylor the only thing stopping the Brewers was
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: a leap year because the 26th was just undeniable. That
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: was the only thing. The calendar is the only thing
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: that could have tripped up Milwaukee last night.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: My birthday is on the 26th. Happy birthday.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Totally unnecessary.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: June.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: But hopefully I'll remember your birthday now. There's a good
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: chance I won't. Do you have a celebration lined up
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: for tonight, Dan? Like what is going to be happening
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in the buyer household if the Brewers do indeed pull
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it off?
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Well, my wife will be watching Dancing with the Stars.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: That is guaranteed. So I will be upstairs. I don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: have anything planned. I mean, it's just sit back and
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: enjoy the ride and whatever happens, happens. I'm not going
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: to be Jim Nansen right out my line and yell
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: it out my window and I'm not going to jump
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: in a pool. I'm not going to do any of
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: that stuff. We'll just see what happens if it happens.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: All right. If the series gets back to Milwaukee, you're
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: going or or what?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Probably not.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: Yes, there was just a there was a one shot
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: deal in game one.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: So there's a tweet going viral right now from October 27th, 2019.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Where SNY tweeted out the Mets were going through a
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: manager search and they had a mystery candidate that everybody
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: kept saying, oh, who's the mystery candidate? Who's the mystery candidate?
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: The Mets mystery candidate is reportedly Brewers bench coach Pat Murphy. Now,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Pat Murphy is now the Brewers manager. But if you
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: go to that tweet on October 27, 2019, the reason
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: why it's going viral is is because it's all Mets
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: fans saying, who the hell is Pat Murphy? Why would
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: we want to hire Pat Murphy? What does Pat Murphy
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: know about baseball? And Milwaukee was thrilled to get him.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: So the Mets wound up hiring Carlos Beltran. And then
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: two and a half months later, the Astros scandal came
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: out and Carlos Beltran and the Mets parted ways. Never
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: managed a game.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: The flip side of that is the Mets wanting David
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Stearns for years when he was in Milwaukee. Then he
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: kind of takes this hiatus and they still want him
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: 10 minutes on the job. They want him out like
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: they are done with Stearns immediately already. End of story
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: after wanting him for so long.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Jaron Jackson is on the jazz.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: That's what the Jays and Jaron Jackson Jr. stand for.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: When did that happen? Was it last year?
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: They had their little fire sale, if you will.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: The least shocking news I've ever heard in an update
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: is that Kawhi Leonard is out for multiple weeks.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Most shocking news I've heard in a while is Muggsy
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Bogues getting his number retired. What took them so long
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to figure that one out? That guy's been out of
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the league forever.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Muggsy Bogues should have his number retired.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I mean... You know, I was watching a clip.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: We're making a concession just because Muggsy Bogues was 5'3.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: But it's worth it, right? There's so many retired numbers
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: up there in arenas where you're just like, who is
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: that guy?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Muggsy Bogues, you'd remember just for being little. I watched
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a clip the other day of him blocking a Patrick
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Ewing shot. And I was like, that might be the
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: most impressive clip I've ever seen in NBA history.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: But you guys would agree, in terms of Mount Rushmore
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: jerseys that you could get from the 90s, the Charlotte
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Hornets Muggsy Bogues jersey is probably on that Mount Rushmore.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Number one.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: It's on a mountain of its own. It was the
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: best jersey. It was the best starter jacket. It was
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: just amazing. I mean, they could just rerun those every
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: single year, and I'd be happy.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Put it on the poll, Taylor. Is Muggsy Bogues deserving
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: of having his number retired? I mean, I think just
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: for the Jersey, how cool the Jersey was. I understand
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the Jersey school, but having your number retired is reserved
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: for the best of the best. And I don't view
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Muggsy Bogues as being the.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Best of the best. He's the best of the small.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Name a better 5'3 player. Spud Webb.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: It's also an opportunity for the Hornets to say, let's
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: get some fans in the arena. So I pose this
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: question to you guys. I hope you didn't look it up.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Guess who the Hornets opponent is on Thursday, February 11th.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: So what team would they go up against to try
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: to bring fans into the arena? To see the Muggsy
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Bogues in Jersey retirement.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Sacramento?
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: You each get a guess. You each get a guess.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Stu?
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: All right, so it's got to be one of the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: bad teams here.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I was going to say the Heat. I'm going to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: say Sacramento.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, Sacramento.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Taylor?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I changed mine. I'm going with the L.A.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Clippers. Stu, you got Clippers? Or excuse me, Izzy? Izzy does, yep.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go with Ty Jerome and the Memphis
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Grizzlies coming to town.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I'm defeated. I want to watch Ty Jerome now.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: All of a sudden, Ty Jerome's averaging like 30 points
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a game.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: It's my Milwaukee Bucks. That is who they have. That
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: is who they bring in. Tickets right now as low
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: as $ 12 if you would like to go, but I
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: expect to see that rise again.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: On the Muggsy Bogues News. I miss Tyler Hero. Do you?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: You were better with him. I was watching a Bucs
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: game in the opening night or whatever their first game was,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: and it was just basically a Miami Heat game in
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: different uniforms. It was 80% of the team on the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: floor was on the.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Heat last year.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: 877-99 on Fox. 877-99 on Fox. Would like to take
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: some phone calls here. Izzy has, I mean, he is
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: unhinged today. I don't want to I don't want to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: give away your take here, but what you were telling
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: me during the break is you feel like college football
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: is a better product at this point in time than
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Is that fair?
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And I think Taylor would agree with me on this, right?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Like Saturdays have just had so much more juice to them,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: whether it be, you know, big names falling or big teams,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you know, being upset. or if it's just really great
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: finishes to games, it's just been a lot more exciting.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And a lot of the times, you know, I'll turn
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: on the NFL for the day and it's just like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: oh my God, like what is happening? First of all,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I get really frustrated because I'll put like, I've got,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: you know, the Sunday ticket and I'm trying to watch
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: like toggle between like five or six games and they're
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: all on commercial. Like how does that ever happen? But
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: then the games just aren't that compelling until you get
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to the end and it's, you know, 17, 13 and
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: will the Green Bay Packers pull.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: This one out?
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And it's just not that exciting. I mean, Taylor, you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: got to agree with me here. College football has been
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: better at least this season, right?
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: So Izzy, I am definitely with you. If I was
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: playing the game, one's got to go. NFL Sundays for
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: me would be the ones to go where I would
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: gladly give that up if it meant keeping college football Saturdays.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: I am not a smoker. When I finish a college
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: football Saturday, like the end of the BYU-UCF game, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: feel like Stu Gotts where I'm like, I need a cigarette.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm also not a smoker. I mean, I don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: know what you're talking about.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like I need a cigarette after a Saturday.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Of college football. Biggest lie ever told on this show.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: There it was.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just even the overtime, you know, it's just
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: lends itself to more exciting finishes rather than you just
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: yelling at your screen.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jaden Daniels, what are you doing? Right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Like, it's just so much more exciting. So there's that
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: rule change that I would love for the NFL. But
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: one thing that I feel like the NFL needs.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: To get better, to get on college football's level.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: More teams. Like a lot more teams. They need to
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: expand to 40 teams in the NFL.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: What?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, because look, every time I watch a game, I'm like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know who that third string cornerback is who
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: has to play, but somehow he's managing to stay with,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know, the Cleveland Browns number one receiver. Like
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: there's so much talent in the NFL. that you need
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: to spread it out and you need some terrible teams, man.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: There's so much conservative play in the NFL because, wow,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if my fastest receiver can get
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: past their worst safety and we can just bomb it
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: down the field. It feels like there aren't enough Tyreek
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Hills in the league or whatever to do that, but
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: there's just enough talent all around. You need terrible teams.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: You need like a 50 to 10 game. You need
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: a team. You need to go into a game as
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: an NFL team. If you're the Los Angeles Rams, for example,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: you need to go into a game against a terrible
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: team and feel like, OK, finally, this is a cupcake team.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Let's just unleash some hell on them. and show our
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: fans all of our talent.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like the Jets have a monopoly on bad teams.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: The Dolphins as well. I think we have plenty of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: bad teams, but you want eight more.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: But they're not bad enough. They're not bad enough where
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you feel like, oh, this is going to be easy today.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Not just easy like, okay, if we just play conservative
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and don't turn the ball over, we'll win this game
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: because we have one or two better playmakers. I'm talking
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: about top to bottom. Like, oh, we're so much better
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: than this team. Let's just unload and... If an upset
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: happens in that scenario, it's absolutely mind-blowing. As opposed to,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you know, the Arizona Cardinals beating the Rams. It's like, oh, okay,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: any given Sunday that can happen.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Eight additional teams means you spread the talent out. You
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: find out if there are any other good quarterbacks who
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: aren't playing because they're currently stuck behind a couple of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: guys on their own roster. Taylor, imagine the Rams facing
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a team led by Stetson Bennett.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I would absolutely. Okay.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: And maybe this is just the Miami Dolphins fan in me.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: who has just been suffering with mediocre team after mediocre team.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, if my team was good, I would want
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: them to just blow out a team every once in
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: a while. And right now, we just don't see enough
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: of that. And it's just too many low scoring games
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: because everybody's playing so conservatively. Like if I wanted to, hey,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I want to try a couple of trick plays. I'm
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: going to do that against the Louisville, you know, whatever,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the chickens, some other franchise that just debuted. And it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: just like, okay, that play is going to work. Maybe
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I'll try that in the playoffs. But there's just such
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: conservative play because there's just too many quality athletes out there.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and we need to just give more spots and have
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a few terrible players.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I would buy a Case Keenum Hartford Huskies jersey so quickly.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: And you can't tell me that the NFL isn't so
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: popular that it doesn't matter where you put them, they're
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: going to sell enough tickets. I don't care if you're...
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Miami Dolphins were thought to be a
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: winless team this year. And, you know, they still sell
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: enough tickets for their stadium. So, yeah, Hartford is a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: great spot for a new NFL team.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: All right, so I get the idea of buying a jersey,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: a Case Keenum jersey, for the Hartford Huskies. Would you
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: buy a ticket to go see the Hartford Huskies play?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Would you tune into the game?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: But why?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a blowout. Okay, if you're the
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: losing team, right, if you're the team that's terrible, you're just—
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: You're in it for sort of the novelty of it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: It's like, wow, I've got an NFL team. And then
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you work your way up to being something good. And
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: then those really good teams can really show their stuff
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: instead of just winning 14 to 7 every week.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: So I think we need to, in order for this
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to work, you would have to have stakes attached that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: normally aren't attached to an NFL game. Meaning if you
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: lose to one of the really bad teams led by
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett or Case Keenum, it shouldn't just be a loss.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It should be maybe a couple losses.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Have a player taken away from you? And put on
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: their team. Yes.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: The topic that we're dancing around is the soccer model
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: with promotion and relegation where teams have something to play
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: for every week. But Izzy's idea would be perfect in
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: Roger Goodell's NFL because Roger Goodell wants to take over
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: every day of the week. And what better day to
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: take over with Tuesday with some of your bottom tier
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: teams where you got the Hartford Huskies versus the Little
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Rock Riverhawks coming to town.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, you don't think Portland look how how
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: great the Portland soccer fans are. And you don't think
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Portland would absolutely love an NFL team, even if they
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: weren't the greatest team for another, you know, two decades.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: If you're a city that doesn't have an NFL team,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: would you want a bad NFL team?
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Did they get the draft?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, of course.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But then, but then they become good.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: There's so many teams. There's so many players in college football. Like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, There's seven rounds of NFL drafts still. Just
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: go ahead and make that 10 rounds. You're still going
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: to find quality players. And, you know, obviously there's going
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to be some that are bad, but that's the whole point. Hey,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: we want to be able to take advantage of this
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: cornerback right here. We're going to run, you know, nine
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: routes on him all day long. We're going to win
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: 60 to five, 60 to five.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: What a weird score.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: 60 to 15. And all of a sudden our fans
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: are going to feel like, wow, I really love this team.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I do like the idea of the Bears at the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Hartford Huskies. And if the Huskies happen to win, Case
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Keenum goes to the Bears. Caleb Williams wins.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Has to stay with the harford huskies stew you mentioned
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: would within the huskies are good yeah yes.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: You mentioned like would cities want to have bad nfl
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: teams and then it just goes back to the quote
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: where it's better to have an nfl team and lost
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: it than to never have an nfl team at all.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: I'm not so certain people say that quote all the
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: time i mean i'd rather not have one i mean
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: ask the oilers fans ask me As a Dolphins fan
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: who's on a terrible streak right now, I would love
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: for them to just get a guaranteed win against the
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: Charleston Chuckers.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Like, why not?
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: So you're just looking for Ws.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I'm just looking for more big plays, more exciting plays
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: in the NFL and more big scores.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: And then occasionally Appalachian State will beat Michigan and everyone
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: will be shocked.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: It's just going to be like, wow, maybe there is
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: a future for this team.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: More bad teams.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: You fix the NFL.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, because it needs fixing.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: You're welcome, Roger.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: live weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Pacific.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: So Borda Ricardo, Ricky Mantle, when the Yankees are playing,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: just walked in here. With confidence and told Izzy, terrible idea.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Whatever, bro. That's because he doesn't want to go to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: small towns.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a man who travels with the Dolphins,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and yes, he does not want to go to Hartford, Connecticut.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: He goes to Indianapolis, and he dreads that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, on second thought, Hartford does not deserve a team.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: We need a lot more interesting cities than that one.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: What do you make, Izzy, here of we only have
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a few minutes of Dante Moore not going to play
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: again for the remainder of the season?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: It is funny.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Taylor was railing against it before the field Yateses of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the world because he didn't want to say Mel Kiper.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: He gets mad at them because it's their job to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: know who's going to be the great quarterbacks. And for
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the second consecutive year, all the great quarterbacks that they
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: were telling us before the season started turned out to
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: not be very good or got injured. And you're seeing
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it now with Dante Moore and with Arch Manning.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, Dante, I don't know. He's obviously had some
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: great games in the past. He's a part of a
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: pretty decent offense. You know, Oregon always feels like a
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: fun offense, regardless of who's running it over there. But,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if it's just my thinking here.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I always thought he was just OK. Like I thought
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: he was, you know, perfect. maybe body wise didn't really
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: make for the perfect NFL quarterback, but, uh, yeah, no,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I just think he's, he's, he's probably going to be decent.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know how often you can really
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: make that judgment. It also depends on, you know, how, how,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you know, what kind of offensive guys running everything else. Um,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm in love with Drew Mestemaker right now
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: from OSU, like a lot of people are from Oklahoma State.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: But he could come into the NFL and never having played,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: you know, under center and just be terrible. But, yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: it's one of the interesting parts about football in general.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Even though your stock is falling, you still have the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: ability to go to the combine, to talk to the teams,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to perform in front of the teams, to have a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: pro day. It doesn't mean you're not going to be
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: selected just because you're injured doesn't mean you're not going
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to be a first round pick. You might not be
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the second pick overall in the draft like people were
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: projecting for Dante Moore, but it doesn't mean he can't
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: be a first round pick and be a very good
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. I just think this this decision that both
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: these guys have to make stay transfer or go to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the NFL. is a fascinating decision for both guys considering
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: where they were when the season started.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: You know, and this wouldn't be as big of a
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: problem if there was more teams. And you know, you're
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: almost guaranteeing yourself a starting spot or at least being
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: drafted high with a team taking a chance on you.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't even get into the fact that, man. If
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: you're a coach of one of these, like, you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: potentially terrible teams, you know, the cupcakes of the NFL.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: You have to have a big time coach. No, you
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: got to have an innovative coach. Just try some stuff.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Just try some stuff and be like, hey, you know what?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They might be able to win because their coach is
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: doing some wacky stuff.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Izzy, you think it would be innovative coaches getting these jobs?
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: It would be like Bob Stoops getting these jobs.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that's enough to scare me.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Here comes Wade Phillips to town. That doesn't scare me.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of Ben Johnson type of
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: coaches that are going to come in and be like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: you know what? I'm going to run the craziest stuff
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: in the world.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: And you know what?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: If it works, great. If it doesn't, at least your
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: team has a personality.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying the Hartford Huskies need to stroll into
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a soldier field, having someone like Bill Parcells. That's just,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and maybe, maybe we'll be tricked into thinking, wow, that
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: coach can scheme well enough and they might have a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: chance to pull off the upset here.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: The Hartford Huskies, you're getting Dan Orlovsky and you're going
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: to like it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick would still be in the NFL with eight
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: more teams. I don't know if that's a good thing
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Put it on the poll. The NFL had 40 teams.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Would Belichick be a head coach?
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: North Carolina is the 33rd NFL team, according to Lombardi
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: and Belichick.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Clowns. Oh, God.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I can't get over Muggsy Bogues and the jersey retirement.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just stuck there. Do you think his banner is
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: going to be shorter than the others? It should be.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Just to make a point that they want.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: To do it right.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Hey. I'm trying to think of the most undeserving retired jerseys.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And Michael Jordan's jersey in the Heat Arena has to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: be up there.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, come on. It's weird. It is weird, but it's
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: not real.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Probably Shador Sanders in Colorado.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: How about Vladi Divac in Sacramento?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: We have exactly 15 minutes to take your phone calls
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: on whatever it is you would like to talk about.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: 877-99 on Fox. That's 877-99 on Fox. Matt Liner is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: going to join us in about 20 minutes. So we
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: have 15 minutes.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Here for calls.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Uh, Taylor has a metal stand, I believe of undeserving
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Jersey retirements. Really quick research.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: So what do you have for us?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Give us the, uh, Give us the bronze medal of
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: guys who don't deserve to have their jerseys retired in sports.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: My bronze medal goes to the Oklahoma City Thunder for
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: retiring the number four for Nick Collison.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: That's their Udonis Haslam.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, but he's not Udonis Haslam.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: He's not. He's not a three-time champion.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: The Thunder should have waited until Russell Westbrook to retire
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: a jersey.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: That was the first one? Was Nick Collison?
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for the Thunder specifically.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: So why?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, there has to be something behind Nick Collison
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: getting his jersey retired. Was he the first draft pick?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Was he something to the Oklahoma City Thunder?
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: It was just, you know, they had come from Seattle,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: and he was their grit and, well, I shouldn't say
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: grit and grind because we already mentioned the Memphis Grizzlies
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: and their terrible one. But, yeah, he was just their guy.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: He was their fixture, and they loved him.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: And he's white. Wait, what?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: See?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: But he's undeserving of having his jersey yeah based on
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: other standards from other franchises i would say yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Is nick collison's jersey retired at kansas.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah it has to be no Yes.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be. It'd be great if it wasn't.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure he won a national championship there with
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Roy Williams.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I know, but he won nothing in the NBA, and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: yet somehow he still has his jersey retired. I mean,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you got to hold out if you're Oklahoma City. Did
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: they not think they were going to be good ever?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, anyway.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: So Kansas does not officially retire jersey numbers.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Ah, you see? I mean, it is odd that the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: place in which Nick Collison was actually good at playing
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the game of basketball.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: His.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Jersey is still available.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Then why am I looking at a list of retired
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Kansas basketball jerseys on Rock Chalk Zone? And, yeah, Nick
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Collison is one of them, but maybe it's not technically retired.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Conflicting reports.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: So they retire jerseys. They don't retire jersey numbers.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: So, yes, he is one of the jerseys that is retired.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: So it just says Collison up there?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right up there with Wilt Chamberlain.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And no national title for Collison.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy has more jerseys retired for not
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: doing anything.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So my silver medal.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: The Orlando Magic retiring the number six to honor all
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: their fans. Just such a lame move.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Who did this?
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: The Orlando Magic.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, because when I think about the Orlando Magic, I
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: think about all their fans.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: It's like the six men. That's what they're going for.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: If you were going to retire something on behalf of
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: a fan base, who would it be? I mean, just.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: just based on their passion.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: The Seahawks, the 12s.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Brewers.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: The Brew crew.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Not the Rays. I guess the thing with Nick Collison
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: is he spent his entire career with the franchise, either
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Seattle or OKC.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: So that's why they retired him. 14 years.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's not a reason to retire a jersey.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, six years shy of Udonis Haslam.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: No, but Haslam won three titles.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Again, I'm not disagreeing with you. In that one season
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: where he played 82 games.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Just one.
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: Two.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Two, I lied.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: My bad. Your gold medal here.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: My gold medal. So you guys mentioned the Heat retiring
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Michael Jordan's number because they thought every team in the
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: NBA would follow suit, and then it wound up being
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: the only non-Michael Jordan team to retire the number 23
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: for Jordan. I don't even think that's the saddest one
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: in South Florida because the Miami Marlins or the Florida Marlins,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: they retired the number five for Carl Barger, who was
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: the first president of the Florida Marlins in 1991. They
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: retired the number five because Barger's favorite baseball player was
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Joe DiMaggio, who wore number five for the Yankees. And
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: then they wound up unretiring the number five because Logan
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Morrison asked nicely for it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Lomo.
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I love Lomo.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: When do they get around to retiring David Sampson's number?
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: What number would that be?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I think Sampson and Logan Morrison were very close. If
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I had to guess, and I've never asked David Sampson this,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: he made sure that president's number came down, and he
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: gave it to Logan Morrison.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Is what I said.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Probably Miguel Cabrera would be the next number retired by
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: the Marlins organization.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: He was there for a year.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Ricardo's saying Gary Sheffield.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Sheffield's deserving.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Konai, maybe.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Mr.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Marlin.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Izzy, who was changing the NFL, and the NFL,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: by the way, doing just fine.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But Izzy has now expanded to 40 teams in the NFL.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: He wants more bad teams, more cupcakes for the good
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: teams to play.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: You go to 50 if we need it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's very generous of you. But now he wants changes
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to the officiating of the NFL.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, Stu, this drove me crazy Sunday. I was
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: watching Bengals Ravens. And there was a roughing the passer
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: penalty that was called. And then the announcers came back
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: and said, well, wait a second, that might have been
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: his own guy who hit Joe Burrow. And then they
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: show the replay and it was just like, yeah, it
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: was his own guy who hit them. And then the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: referee comes up and he says, hey, with a replay assist,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: that is not a roughing the passer penalty. And I
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: feel like that just opened up a can of worms. Like,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: can't can't you just do that for all penalties now?
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Like all terrible calls.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Just let the replay assist overturn it because you can
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: do it in a heartbeat. beat you can do it quickly.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Well all questionable calls not bad calls you don't know
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: if they're bad right you know i mean sometimes you
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: know it's a bad call uh in the moment but
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: questionable calls you're saying because there are many times as
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: fans you're sitting there going what is my guy supposed
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to do how is he supposed to pull up he's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: already in the motion of going after the quarterback the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: quarterback releases the ball does so quickly how is he
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: supposed to pull up and stop himself.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: What can be replay assisted right now is the contact
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: to the head and neck area. If they go to
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: replay and they see there was no contact at all,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: then you could pick up the flag. And it's the
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: same thing with a face mask. If they throw a
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: flag for face mask and they see that the face
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: mask was never pulled, then they could pick that up.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: But neither of these is his point. It's a very
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: slippery slope what you're using replay assist for.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just, but the other issue is why not?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Like why? There's so many of those where you're just like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: that was a terrible call or that was a questionable call.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure the different, what you're making different there,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Well, a questionable call. You don't know if it's a
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: bad call until you go to the booth. He might
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: actually get it right. That's all I'm saying.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: What if they go to replay and he's like, yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: it was a late hit on the quarterback.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Well, you can do that. See, that's the other thing.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, if they miss a call, can
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: you then throw the flag with a replay review?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: You missed an obvious call.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So when I saw that, it was just shocking to
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: me because, like, Even the Cam Scadaboo one. Imagine if
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: you just to be like, yeah, upon review, that definitely
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: wasn't whatever they call that unnecessary roughness or one of
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: those Green Bay Packers penalties where it's just like everybody
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: in the stadium can see that was a bad call. Like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: it's OK to say the referee got this one wrong.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing as challenges, is it not?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: It's just if you can on on the spot because
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: there's so much downtime between plays. There's so much, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: there's only what is there somewhere between seven and 11
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: minutes of actual action in football. Like if you can
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: use that time without disrupting the game to say, hey,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: our bad, that was not the right call. We're just
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: going to go ahead and keep playing. Why not do that?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Because I'm telling you, I was I was stunned watching
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: that that overturn. I didn't know that they were allowed
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: So I can hear fans saying we spend enough time
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: at the replay booth, less time. But that's my whole point.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It's there is no replay booth. There is no time
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: under the hood. There's none of that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, that was awful.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Our bad.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Let's keep playing.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: So how would you announce this? Is it like a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: voice of God just like telling everyone, telling the referee, hey,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you missed one or hey, you got that wrong?
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Like, how does this work? It's the same way they
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: just did it this this game between the Bengals and Ravens.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It was just before they started the next play. It
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: is like after replay assist. That was not a roughing
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: the passer penalty. spot the ball back where it was
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: supposed to be.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: So I have two moments from this weekend that involved
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: referees in the NFL, and I want you guys to
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: pick which one would be your winner. The first nominee
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: in the Packers-Lions game, I don't know if you guys
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: saw this, but the ref fell down, went to throw
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: the flag, and just threw it. He's lying horizontally on
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: the field, and he just throws the flag up, which
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: was an all-time flag throw by a referee. And then
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: the other moment I have involving a referee was in
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: the Giants-Texans game, where the referee went to call a
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: penalty on the Houston Texans, and he accidentally said before
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: calling the penalty, Unfortunately.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: You can't say that. The first one you mentioned, that
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: referee also got hit in the junk. And I also
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: have a new standing rule. If an official at any
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: point gets hit in the junk, there's got to be
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: a penalty on somebody.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, there should be no contact there for an official.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Wait, so this poor referee who's on the ground after
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: getting hit in the junk, he just threw the flag?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Because I understand it. When you get hit there, you'll
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: throw anything. It hurts that badly. But he just threw
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the flag just to throw a flag? I mean... Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Was there an actual penalty?
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I believe he thought there was a penalty there. I
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: don't think there was one. That's another one with, Hey,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: after replay assist.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I know it hurts, but you're going to
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: have to take that flag back.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: 15 yards for kicking me in the junk.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw the one good play
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: from the Miami heat this entire season where Giannis dunked
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: all over. I think it was Daniel Gafford from the
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Dallas Mavericks and making matters worse is he also caught
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: a knee straight to the the parts there. Yes. I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: think it took them out of the game. It was
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: that painful. Wait, so Taylor, do you like this idea?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I do like the idea of you completely missed a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: call and there's a different colored flag for that. The
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: referee is challenging. There wasn't a call made. He is
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: just saying you missed a call. There was a hole.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: There was PI over there and you could do it
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that way. But you're saying just have one voice come down,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: tell the referee quickly, Hey, you missed this or Hey,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: you got this wrong. But then the referee has to,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it's such a bad spot for the referee. Cause he
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: then has to announce it to the entire crowd.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: They do it in college.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: But that's, that's why NFL doesn't want the like pass
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: interference to be reviewable. Like it was that one season
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: because the refs got all in their feelings. when we
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: started questioning their calls where I, when I watch an
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: NFL game, I do not understand how you could have
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: like a 60 yard penalty with, with pass interference being
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: a spot foul play and how big of a field
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: position penalty that could be.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: To not have that be revealed.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: First of all, referees get over yourselves. Like it's happened
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: in the NBA. Like when they initially had reviews, a
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: lot of people suggested that F referees would not overturn
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: them because they felt like it was a, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: a knock to their ego or whatever. Now they're overturning
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: calls all the time. The refs don't care. It's like,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I missed that one. All right, I'll get 95% of
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: my calls right. I'll just get a few wrong like
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: everybody else would have.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I think the refs have come around to, hey, we
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: just have to make a call and then we'll figure
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: it out from there. Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting, too. I do think that
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: spot fouls for pass interference, Taylor, is way too penalizing.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I hate it. I mean, it drives me crazy.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: College has it right. It's 15 yards for P.I., right?
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: There's no guarantee that catch is made just because you
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: interfered with them.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You chuck a ball up in the end zone, the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: wide receiver gets interfered with, and they get it at
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the one-yard line. You were on the 40 when you
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: started the play.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Imagine if this was in college where you can, as
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I said, overturn a penalty on instant replay review. Imagine
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: that Florida State-Miami game where that holding call, they come
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: out and they just say, upon replay review, that was
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: not a hold. touchdown.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Now you got to go for two to try to
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: tie the game. Like that, that would solve all the
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: issues with, Oh, that was one of the worst calls
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I've ever seen in a big spot. Go ahead and
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: just get it right. Because I mean, you're going to
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: have to find me the right angle that shows me
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: that that was a, an obvious hold.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, BYU would have two losses already.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: They got robbed.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Against Notre Dame 877 99 on Fox.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Let's go out to a Davey who's in Virginia today.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Davey, go ahead.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: You're on Fox sports radio.
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: Yes, I would like to go back to the retired numbers.
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: Why would they have Paul O'Neal as a retired number
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: for the J-Mac? He would know that.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just trying to piss Taylor off, aren't you, Davey?
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Yankee legend, no?
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the warrior.
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: He was a real Yankee legend because he could smash
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: up a cooler like crazy.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the call, Davey. How do you feel
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: about that, Taylor?
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: So this is actually a situation where I'm actually on
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: his side where I think the Yankees retire too many
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: numbers where you have somebody like George Lombard coming up
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: having to wear 96 or Aaron Judge coming up having
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: to wear 99. If I'm the Yankees, there's just too many. Like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: I love Bernie Williams.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: His number should not be retired. I love Jorge Posada.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: His number should not be retired. These are legends.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Jorge Posada?
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: These are legends. They've had too many great players, is
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: what you're saying?
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Too many great players. Let's have some standards. Derek Jeter,
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: Andy Pettit, Mariano Rivera. Those are the only guys from
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: those 90 teams that I would have retired.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I just looked up Paul O'Neill's stats and had a
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: longing for the past because he led the league one
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: time with a. 359 batting average, and I missed. 359
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: batting averages, man. I missed that so much. Major League
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Baseball doesn't. Yeah. He also twice led the league and
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: get grounding into double plays, which that's fitting.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Wasn't the wasn't fleet of foot. Paul O'Neill. Paul O'Neill
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: was a great player. You know, Gary Sheffield. Won a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: batting championship. He was he led the National League in
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: batting 330 one year. Yeah.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: You yearn for those days.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, anything in the mid threes, please.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: For a season, please.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Is there anyone else clamoring for more Tony Gwynn's and
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Wade Boggs is in Major League Baseball?
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: The Milwaukee Brewers. That's how they do.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I think I don't really know.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks for Israel Gutierrez for sitting in today, working more.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Weekends are shorter and shorter, and I am thrilled about it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Two-day work weeks are fun.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: They are. What do you have for us here on
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the WNBA Finals? I'd be lying to you if I
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: said I was paying attention.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I am not paying attention. Because we had a sports equinox.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: You know, to me, it's just on second thought, maybe
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: it was okay to let 3,500 people be the amount
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of people who watch this championship final or this game
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: six in Atlanta. Because it's like I told you before
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: the series started. It's like these are two defensive teams.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: And when everything is at stake, they're going to play
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: defense even better. And offense is going to be even worse. And, Stu,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: a team yesterday ended up shooting 29%. uh, for the
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: entire game.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: And it's just, it's not the, there was somebody who
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: was getting MVP chance and she finished the game with
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: 13 points.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: It hasn't been again.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: For four of 17 shooting for a great WNBA season.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: This is probably not the finale that they wanted.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Izzy, I felt bad because they moved the game on
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: Thursday to 1230 because.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: 1230 Eastern. So you got to wake up early. You
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: got to take your morning off on the West Coast
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: to watch this game if you're a Valkyries fan.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: But where I felt bad is the Hawks are playing
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: later in the day and they have to turn the
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: stadium over. They have to clean the arena, all the
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: workers there.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Job creation.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: And I was watching ESPN and Ramona Shelburne said that
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: The team that wins, so if the series is over tomorrow,
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: the celebration may not actually be on the court. And
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: Ramona Shelburne has heard discussions about whether there's enough time
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: to turn the arena over in time for the fans
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: to celebrate on the court and that it could be
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: moved to a practice court.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: They have to hold their celebration. They have to hold
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: their enthusiasm. Go up a few flights of steps and
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: then go celebrate somewhere else.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: That's ridiculous.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I do like a court that is reserved just for celebrations, though.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: A celebration court. Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's not terrible.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's basically what they do in the locker room, right?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: They taste it with plastic and then you go ahead
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: and celebrate it there. But that is it's just such
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: a terrible way to end this. And it's just one
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: of those things where it's just like this is the
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: first that I've seen. And I looked it up, and
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen another season where the WNBA
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: finals and the NBA beginning of their season overlapped. Why
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: did they think that was a good idea this year?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: They should never overlap. One should end, the other one
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: should begin.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Taylor, I want you to imagine the Knicks winning a
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: title at the Mecca this And someone from the NBA says, hey, guys,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: we got to turn the arena over. Go to a
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: different go to Barclays down the street and go celebrate there.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is totally unfair.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: What are we doing?
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: It is unfair, but I'm thinking about it from my
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: perspective as a Knicks fan. If I waited 53 years
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: for a celebration. I could wait an hour drive from
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: Madison Square Garden to Barclays Center if you're telling me
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: that's where I have to do my celebrating.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have that being an hour. The Knicks
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: have just won a title. Did you see the people
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: pouring out into the streets in New York City? It
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: would take you days to get to Barclays.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: I was in that celebration. I thought I was going
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: to lose my life.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: It's the craziest hold your applause I've ever seen in
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: my life.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, but what happened to this splurge, this uptick with
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: women's basketball, Lizzie?
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: They're being totally disrespected.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I know the basketball's not great, but how about they
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: get to celebrate on the court they played on?
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Again, it's just horrible planning. Like, how did they not
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: think that maybe this could happen where you've got a...
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: you know, a WNBA team. They play in the same
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: cities as the NBA teams. Might we have a housing problem?
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Izzy, this feels like the perfect end to Kathy Engelbert's
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: tenure as WNBA commissioner, because I was listening to Bill
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: Simmons earlier, and Bill Simmons was making the point that
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: the WNBA feels like they had like 12 major decisions
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: to make this season. And somehow they went 0 for
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: 12 in these decisions where people want to like this league.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: And the WNBA does everything in their power to kind
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: of push people away.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: They just needed to do what Adam Silver does and
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: just check in with LeBron and whatever LeBron wants, they
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: should have done.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Taylor, what were you telling? You're so excited about our
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: guest today. We just had Matt Leinert on. Christopher Mad
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Dog Russo was on the podcast, Stugatz and Company, the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: show before the show. Why were you so excited? I
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: know you love the guys. I'm just, you were giddy today.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: So my introduction to college football was the U S
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: was the USC football teams. Like I fell in love
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: with that sport because I was watching Matt Leinart and
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Reggie Bush in the early two thousands. So you told
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: me in like 2002 Taylor, who are the two guests
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: that you would want on, on your show 20 plus
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: years from now in the moment outside of a Yankee,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: It would probably have been some combination of Matt Leinart
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: and Reggie Bush and then Christopher Mad Dog Russo because
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: Izzy in New York, like... In New York, in Florida,
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: in South Florida, you go outside and you play. In
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: New York, growing up in the early 2000s, you sat
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: in front of a radio and you listened to Mike.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Early 2000s, you're making it sound like it's the 1960s
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: over here with the radio.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: Turn on the AM 880.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, you have to hear the static.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: You have to listen to them on the AM dial.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Taylor is right about this.
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: That does remind me of, yeah, that was like me
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: in the backseat of my dad in the car, and
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: it's just AM Spanish radio, and it's crackling. It's just like,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: how can you listen to this? And fast forward 20 years,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: and I'm listening to it all the time.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: All right, so you're saying 20 years ago. Not today.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: You were excited just to have them today. But if
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I told you 20 years ago you were going to
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: have Mad Dog and Matt Leinart on the show, you
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: would have been thrilled. That's like a dream show for you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: A dream show. So, Izzy, every day when I would
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: get off the bus in elementary school, my grandparents would
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: watch me. and my grandpa would always be listening to
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: Mike and the Mad Dog. They were on from like
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: 1 to 6 p.m., if I remember.
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  Speaker 1: 1 to 6.30.
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  Speaker 6: Every day for five and a half hours?
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and it wasn't enough.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the call lines were the biggest thing. They were
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: just taking calls the entire time, and it used to
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: lead right into Yankees' pregame show when they made the
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: transition to the YES Network. But I would get off
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: that bus every day, and my grandpa would be listening
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: to that station, and he would say... don't even think
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: about talking to me until they go to commercial break.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: So that's where my sports radio love came into effect,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: where I would listen to Mike and the Mad Dog
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: and be like, man, once they go to commercial, I
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: have to be ready to talk about sports.
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  Speaker 1: My dad would drive. We would drive. He would pick
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: me up. He would say the same thing. Don't talk
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: until they're at commercial break. And even then, don't talk.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: But we would drive around. We would drive around my neighborhood, Izzy,
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  Speaker 1: just to listen to another segment.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Take the long way home.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, we would.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I got into the industry. I mean, because
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: of those two. That's probably why you're still doing it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: It's crazy that... like Stu gots has the same experience
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: as me and like, we're, we're a pretty big age, uh,
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: an age gap where I remember Stu, like they would
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: go to commercial break and I would just have like
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: my school notebook of sports takes that I wanted to
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: give my grandpa. And it would be like, I think
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: the Yankees should trade for Ichiro.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: And you would work him out on grandpa?
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would practice the takes.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Poor grandpa. I'm trying to think of who my dream
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: guest would have been in like 2002, which is what
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: the year Taylor mentioned. And the only thing that comes
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: to mind is maybe Larry Bird or Andre Agassi. And
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if they're too specific, like were
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: great talkers back then. Well, I guess he's great.
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  Speaker 4: Was he?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yes.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I know he is now.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. I'm just saying we had him on
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the show. He was promoting his book. His book was great,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: but he was also great on the radio.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the only reason I think of Larry
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Bird is just because like, that's the first game I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: can remember, you know, watching was an NBA finals game.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: I want to say in like 1986.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And it was Bird versus Magic. But I felt like
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: there was more intrigue to Bird because he didn't really
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: talk as much as, you know, Magic did.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: That would probably be my answer, but it would probably
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: have been a terrible interview.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: What was happening in Miami around early 2000s? You had
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: the Marlins winning a series in 2003. You had the Heat, right?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, no, the Heat were bad.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: It was right before 2000. It was right before Dwayne
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: got here, so it was during the era where, oh no,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Alonzo Mourning has a kidney ailment, and what are we
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: going to do with the franchise? And then Dwayne shows
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: up in 2003 and fixes everything. Was that the second.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Run for the Canes, though, in that time?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: I believe so.
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  Speaker 3: I was less interested in that because I had just
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: graduated from Florida, so the Canes were not my favorite.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: 2002 was Ron Zook's first year in Gainesville.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Ah, the Zooker.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe Steve Spurrier would have been my dream guest
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: because he's great for a great coach.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Didn't Zook get in a fight with an entire frat house?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, once Spurrier left, it all went downhill. Taylor,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't take Jeter, huh? That's interesting.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: No, Jeter would probably be, like, Jeter's the white whale always.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: You got to consider, he doesn't say anything, though. Like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: still hasn't said anything.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: I would take, if it was 2003 after the Marlins
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: won the series, I would go Josh Beckett, probably.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: From that team?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Josh Beckett, I think.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And then... Mike and the Mad Dog. You have to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: take Francesca, not just Chris. You would want Chris and Mike, no?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, but me personally, I've always been more of a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: Mad Dog guy.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: Just because they're both great, but there's something about Mad
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Dog's voice.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: Where it puts you in a trance.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: It does.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the cadences work so well together.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Together, yes. Yeah, they do.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: God, do we sound like dorks.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Sorry, everyone. Have a great night.