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The Late Debate | 18 December · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, Welcome to the Lake Debate.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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Speaker 3: I'm Frey Leitch, joined tonight by Jamie Rodgers and Caroline Marcus.
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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, A Melbourne counselor gave a tribute to
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Speaker 3: the victims of the Bondai massacre wearing a kefia.
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Speaker 2: How tone deaf can you get?
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Speaker 3: Plus, Christmas isn't even over and the Australia Day debate
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Speaker 3: has already started raging. This time a prestigious university has
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Speaker 3: removed Australia Day from its calendar and replaced it with
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Speaker 3: Invasion Day. In the papers. Police conducted a dramatic arrest
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Speaker 3: of seven men in Sydney's Southwest this afternoon after they
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Speaker 3: received intel that a violent act was possibly being planned.
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Speaker 3: More on that later, but first. Since March twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 3: the inner city Melbourne suburb of Northcote has featured an
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Speaker 3: enormous mural reading Globalize the Interfarda. Only after this weekend,
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Speaker 3: after the murder of fifteen innocent people at a Jewish celebration,
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Speaker 3: has the mural finally been removed. Turns out inter Fartas
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Speaker 3: aren't that great? Inter Farda became a catch cry of
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Speaker 3: the pro pales side mob. But it's not a peaceful
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Speaker 3: political slogan. It means violent uprising. Israel suffered through two
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Speaker 3: of them. It's all regular bus bombings, random knife attacks
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Speaker 3: and shootings. Over twelve hundred Israelis were murdered on Sunday
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Speaker 3: Australia got a taste of Interfarda and now the council
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Speaker 3: in Northcote has finally.
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Speaker 2: Removed the mural.
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Speaker 3: But Caroline, the fact that it takes a massacre for
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Speaker 3: people to start to wake up and go hang on,
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Speaker 3: maybe call for a violent uprising actually shouldn't be something
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Speaker 3: that is just displayed proudly in our local area.
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Speaker 4: It really defies belief, doesn't it, Freyer. I mean we
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Speaker 4: have only been warning here on Sky News for the
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Speaker 4: past two and a bit years since the October seven
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Speaker 4: attacks that calls like you know, globalize the Intervarda are
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Speaker 4: calls for violence. I mean, just to give people at
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Speaker 4: home a little bit of context. Interfarta is the term
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Speaker 4: that refers to two periods, the first Intervarda and the
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Speaker 4: second Interfarta in Israel.
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Speaker 5: That the first one.
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Speaker 4: Started in the late eighties, and then there was another
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Speaker 4: one that was even more violent in the early noughties,
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Speaker 4: so in the two thousands period, and the first one
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Speaker 4: was marked by a lot of stabbings and car vehicle
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Speaker 4: rammings and other ways of killing innocent people terrorists basically,
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Speaker 4: and then in the second wave it.
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Speaker 5: Got even worse.
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Speaker 4: There were suicide bombings, is being blown up, other types
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Speaker 4: of bombing devices and shootings taking a place, and it
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Speaker 4: was absolutely obviously terrorized innocent people in Israel and in
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Speaker 4: the second wave killed more than a thousand innocent people.
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Speaker 4: And this is what they're referring to. Don't believe the
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Speaker 4: Palestinian activists when they say, oh, it's Arabic, it literally
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Speaker 4: translates to shaking it off. Well, they're not talking about
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Speaker 4: a Taylor Swift song. They're talking about bringing violence.
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Speaker 6: And that's exactly what happened on Sunday, and bringing violence
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Speaker 6: against Jews. And to your point, that's exactly what we
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Speaker 6: saw on Sunday was the violence against the Jewish community
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Speaker 6: that has been corareling and crying out.
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Speaker 2: For help and protection.
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Speaker 6: And I did think that it was interesting today when
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Speaker 6: both Tony Burke and Anthony Albanezi were asked whether or
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Speaker 6: not they would outcry outlaw these terms whether it's from
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Speaker 6: the river to the sea or to globalized into fada,
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Speaker 6: and both of them sort of bypassed over that and
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Speaker 6: didn't actually answer the question, which is why it's been
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Speaker 6: interesting to watch how the difference whether it's the state
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Speaker 6: government and the federal government are handling it. Because Daniel
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Speaker 6: Mookie was very strong in saying that no, this is
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Speaker 6: that is hate speech by saying to globalize the inter
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Speaker 6: Farwell's Treasurer exactly. So they seem to be a lot
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Speaker 6: stronger than New South Wales team than what we're seeing
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Speaker 6: on the federal side.
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Speaker 4: So Daniel Mookie said today while announcing a seven point
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Speaker 4: six million dollar package to help victims and families of
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Speaker 4: this tragedy, he said that in his view and the
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Speaker 4: right view, it's just fact. I can't no one can
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Speaker 4: objectively deny it as much as they try to. That
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Speaker 4: is just pure gas lighting. He says, it is hate
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Speaker 4: speech to say globalize the enter Bata and he went
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Speaker 4: on to say, I personally think that any reasonable person
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Speaker 4: would just see what the consequences of that chant has
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Speaker 4: been on Sunday night. I mean, thank you, it's plain
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Speaker 4: common sense. But then again, Chrisman's been.
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Speaker 5: A much more.
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Speaker 4: An admirable leader. He's from the Labor Party. He's from
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Speaker 4: the right of the party obviously, but he has at
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Speaker 4: least taken a strong stand and you believe him when
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Speaker 4: he talks out about anti Semitism and wanting to fight it.
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Speaker 5: He's authentic.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that globalize
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Speaker 3: the Interfarta is incitement to violence.
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Speaker 2: It is a call for the death of Jews.
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Speaker 3: Even in the UK they're recognizing and two people have
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Speaker 3: been arrested for using the chant globalize the Interfata for
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Speaker 3: racially aggravated public order offenses at a pro Palestine rally
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Speaker 3: in central London. Now what was interesting about this, though,
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Speaker 3: is that the police said when announcing these charges that
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Speaker 3: the context had changed after the Bondai massacre, So now
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Speaker 3: they were going to start to prosecute people for using
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Speaker 3: globalize the Interofarta. That makes no sense if it was
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Speaker 3: racially aggravated, Now, why wasn't it racially aggravated before Budda.
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Speaker 4: And this isn't the first time we've seen Jews targeted overseas.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they had their own Manchester tat on Yon
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Speaker 4: Kapoor at the synagogue there that I mean, but you
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Speaker 4: didn't even need that to happen. We saw two Israeli diplomats,
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Speaker 4: you know, assassinated in Washington, d C. We've seen lots
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Speaker 4: of these events since October seven and before that. You
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Speaker 4: shouldn't need a massacre in which fifteen innocent lives were
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Speaker 4: taken to tell you to stop allowing people to do this.
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Speaker 4: But we have no reassurance that it's going to be
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Speaker 4: actually banned. I think they should also ban from the
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Speaker 4: River to the Sea, because that is a clear dog
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Speaker 4: whistle for the ethnic cleansing, the murder of Jews, and
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Speaker 4: the removal of Jews from Israel. So there's this clear
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Speaker 4: violent message being sent through that slogan as well, no
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Speaker 4: matter what the activists try and justify it with.
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Speaker 6: Well, let's have a look now at a counselor in
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Speaker 6: Victoria who has received quite a lot of criticism and
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Speaker 6: deservedly so, off the back of her wearing a cafea
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Speaker 6: during a Bondai massacre mourning. Take a look at some
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Speaker 6: of the audio that she said on the ABC as
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Speaker 6: to why she did this.
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Speaker 2: It was quite discreet, it wasn't a full cathea.
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Speaker 5: I reject the idea that any symbol of Palestine is
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Speaker 5: anti Jewish.
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Speaker 6: So Sue Bolton is a member of the Socialist Alliance
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Speaker 6: as a counselor. What's also worth noting is that Mary
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Speaker 6: Beeck Council also have a Palestinian flag hanging out the
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Speaker 6: front of their town hall, of which is still in
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Speaker 6: their mind displayed. It hasn't even come down, and even
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Speaker 6: just for a few days after what we saw in Bondai,
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Speaker 6: but the fact that she said that it was just
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Speaker 6: a small cafir, it still had the colors of the
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Speaker 6: Palestinian flag at the bottom, and just this year, it's
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Speaker 6: just so disrespectful and you're just not thinking through what
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Speaker 6: someone wore.
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Speaker 5: A small swastika.
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Speaker 4: Would that make it any better because it's more discreet.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't even that discreed. I mean, this
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Speaker 4: is highly offensive. And this is a time when the
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Speaker 4: council's making a statement about solidarity with the Jewish people
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Speaker 4: and you wear a symbol for what many Jews, most Jews,
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Speaker 4: is a symbol of hatred. It's a symbol of the resistance,
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Speaker 4: the Palestinian resistance that saw more than twelve hundred people
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Speaker 4: killed on October seven and two hundred and fifty people
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Speaker 4: taken hostage, and so much other violence and suffering over
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Speaker 4: the past a few decades, including through the interparters. It's
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Speaker 4: just I don't think it was tone deaf. I know
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Speaker 4: you said that, and you're introy. I disagree.
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Speaker 5: It was deliberately it was deliberately provocative.
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Speaker 4: And you know I saw we saw similar scenes outside
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Speaker 4: the Bond of Vigil, where I spent a lot of
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Speaker 4: this week reporting.
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Speaker 5: There was one woman, a so called she.
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Speaker 4: Claims she's a Jewish activist with a very fringe anti Zionist,
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Speaker 4: anti Israel group called Jews against the Occupation, which testified
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Speaker 4: at an inquiry that in New South Wales Parliament that
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Speaker 4: they would not condemn her mass over October seven and
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Speaker 4: other atrocities.
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Speaker 5: So that tells you everything this group is about.
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Speaker 4: She showed up with a Greens counselor from the local
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Speaker 4: council in that Bonde area and she tried to antagonize
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Speaker 4: the people at the protest by wearing a kafir at
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Speaker 4: the protests and the visual at a visual for the
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Speaker 4: victims on the first day on a Monday.
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Speaker 5: This is our exchange. Why did you turn up today?
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Speaker 4: Why have you turned up, you're wearing a Palestinian Kafir.
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Speaker 2: Strategy.
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Speaker 5: We are standing.
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Speaker 4: And while all the focus was on that looney woman,
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Speaker 4: she was there with a Greens councilor as I say,
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Speaker 4: as I said earlier dominic Y Canic at a council
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Speaker 4: meeting back in March, he was he actually opposed making
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Speaker 4: any sort of strategy, having any sort of strategy in council,
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Speaker 4: which is an area that represents a lot of Jewish people,
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Speaker 4: a strategy to protect residents from rising anti semitism. So
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Speaker 4: what the heck is that guy doing at a memorial
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Speaker 4: for people who have been the victims of a violent
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Speaker 4: anti Semitic terror attack.
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Speaker 6: Just is the response like when she was there, because
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Speaker 6: I remember watching that on the TV as it was unfolding,
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Speaker 6: and I thought, oh gosh, Caroline, you're doing well. You're
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Speaker 6: running after this woman to see what she's doing there.
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Speaker 6: But what was the response from other people, other people
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Speaker 6: before that?
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Speaker 4: As we showed people on air that day and I
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Speaker 4: reported later it was furious. She stood stood still for
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Speaker 4: I would say about ten minutes, just in a standoff
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Speaker 4: with the crowd. People created almost a ring around her,
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Speaker 4: and there was no violence or any I don't think
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Speaker 4: anyone would have acted up, but police were protecting her.
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Speaker 4: She refused to move on. People were furiously demanding that
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Speaker 4: she go and how dare she turn up? Which I
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Speaker 4: think is entirely justified, and she stood there silent. And
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Speaker 4: then when police eventually after a very long time, when
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Speaker 4: new contrast how they've treated you know, one lone Jewish
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Speaker 4: person or pro Israel person turning up to a pro
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Speaker 4: Palestine protest, they moved them on straight away. They've even
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Speaker 4: arrested them on the scene. That didn't happen here. It
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Speaker 4: was more like they were protecting her from from any
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Speaker 4: no threat of violence.
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Speaker 5: So I don't know what it was.
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Speaker 2: This just makes me sick. This makes me sick.
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Speaker 3: And what is so insulting is you've already seen this
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Speaker 3: with the left wing media. They're trying to claim that
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Speaker 3: we are the ones politicizing the Bondai massacre on the
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Speaker 3: seven thirty report last night, putting it to Josh Fridenberg,
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Speaker 3: how do we know this isn't just you trying to
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Speaker 3: line yourself up to run for politics. Are they are
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Speaker 3: the ones? As he said, offensive, deeply, deeply offensive, these
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Speaker 3: are the guys that are politicizing this massacre. Is it
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Speaker 3: not enough that fifteen people have been killed? Is it
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Speaker 3: not enough to just pay your respects and leave it
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Speaker 3: b I think that socialist counselor from Melwyn Sue Bolton,
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Speaker 3: it's honestly better that she didn't even say anything about
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Speaker 3: the massacre, because all she's doing is virtue signaling, saying, see,
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Speaker 3: I'm a friend of the Jewish community while I wear
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Speaker 3: a kefia right after you've been massacred.
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Speaker 2: It is so insulting and just plain disgusting.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know what is also insulting that it is
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Speaker 4: how Anthony Alberaniezi has hidden from view over the past week.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he has done the odd press conference. He
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Speaker 4: of course, you know, rocked up to the hospital where
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Speaker 4: the hero and he was a hero, Ahmed al Ahmed,
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Speaker 4: the guy who took down one of the terrorists and
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Speaker 4: disarmed him.
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Speaker 5: He visited him in hospital.
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Speaker 4: But we haven't seen any pictures of him visiting families
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Speaker 4: of victims or victims themselves and who who have survived. Instead,
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Speaker 4: he has been conspicuously absent from the funerals, the first
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Speaker 4: of which have played out in the past couple of days,
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Speaker 4: including that of ten year old Matilda now, the youngest
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Speaker 4: victim in the Bondai massacre was laid to rest today.
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Speaker 4: There was a very moving service in Eastern Sydney in
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Speaker 4: which there would be there were large a large plushy,
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Speaker 4: a large toy of a bee, which the family has
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Speaker 4: been asking people to share because her middle name was
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Speaker 4: b and they want her to be remembered that way,
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Speaker 4: and they want her to be remembered by people. And
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Speaker 4: I assure that family, if they're watching, we will not
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Speaker 4: forget Matilda and we will not stop talking about her,
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Speaker 4: because she is just one of the most heartbreaking stories
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Speaker 4: of the entire event. And Albanize wasn't at her funeral service.
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Speaker 4: Tania Plebusk was the grandparents live in her seat and
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Speaker 4: she was invited.
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Speaker 5: But Alberizi was actually asked why at.
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Speaker 4: A press conference in Canberra today why he wasn't attending
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Speaker 4: any of the funerals, and this is how he responded.
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Speaker 7: Why haven't you attended any of the funerals? Why have
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Speaker 7: you been saying that you weren't invited. Generally, the processes
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Speaker 7: of the Prime Minister's office reaches out to the families
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Speaker 7: and asks permission respectfully to attend.
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Speaker 1: I have done that I met with police, I've met
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Speaker 1: with members of the community. I've been to Homesimbundai. I
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Speaker 1: respect the wishes of families.
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Speaker 4: Now my sources tell me that in the case of
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Speaker 4: at least one funeral, and I won't say which one
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Speaker 4: it is out of respect for the family. Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 4: personally called one of the rabbis to ask if he
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Speaker 4: could attend or to gauge what their reaction would be,
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Speaker 4: and he was specifically told no, you are not wanted here,
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Speaker 4: and in honesty, he wouldn't.
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Speaker 5: He would be heckled.
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Speaker 4: If he went, he would be more than heckled, like
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Speaker 4: people would be demanding that he leave.
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Speaker 5: They don't want him, and would.
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Speaker 6: That then make it harder on the families If he's
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Speaker 6: there and is heckled, I don't think I can understand
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Speaker 6: him if he was told not to come to the funeral.
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Speaker 6: But what I can't cop at the moment is the
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Speaker 6: fact that he hasn't returned to Bondai, to the scene
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Speaker 6: at all.
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Speaker 2: He was there Monday morning with his.
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Speaker 6: Flowers that looked like he'd picked up from the supermarket
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Speaker 6: on his way there, and he hasn't returned.
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Speaker 5: Well, I was.
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Speaker 4: There that day Jamie when he turned up and we
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Speaker 4: were told as members of the media that we were
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Speaker 4: not to ask any questions, that it was just what
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Speaker 4: we call a pick fact, which is basically a picture opportunity.
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Speaker 4: He'd done a conference before, but every other politician who's
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Speaker 4: turned up to the vigil well since him, has stopped
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Speaker 4: and spoken and said a few words, made some remarks
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Speaker 4: whether they it doesn't matter what party they're from.
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Speaker 5: But he turned up lay some flowers.
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Speaker 4: There weren't many people there, and I asked a question,
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister, what's your reaction having now been to the site,
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Speaker 4: and he just gave me what I thought was a
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Speaker 4: really dirty look. I mean, maybe it was just an
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Speaker 4: of the cuff response that he was shocked someone I
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Speaker 4: would actually ask him, but if you're a true leader,
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Speaker 4: would you just stop?
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Speaker 2: You stop things?
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Speaker 6: And that's how you show the community that you care,
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Speaker 6: because you show up even when you know you're going
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Speaker 6: to get booed and you're going to get heckled. I
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Speaker 6: think back to Scomo during the whole Don't hold the
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Speaker 6: Hole situation. Remember when he went out to the farmers
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Speaker 6: in those areas and he was booed and heckled, But
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Speaker 6: he did go out there and then we tried to
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Speaker 6: shake people's hands and they wouldn't take it. And then
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Speaker 6: I look at this situation and Albo is just not
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Speaker 6: going out there, and I think because he doesn't want
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Speaker 6: to see that reception.
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Speaker 2: But this is what shows a good leader.
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Speaker 6: And off the back of what we've seen today, you know,
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Speaker 6: we've got kids, and when I look at a family
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Speaker 6: who has lost a child, I don't know how you
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Speaker 6: ever moved past that. And seeing those bumblebee balloons and
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Speaker 6: the scenes out the front, it is just gut wrenching
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Speaker 6: and heartbreaking.
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Speaker 5: I will quickly say I think it's right.
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Speaker 4: If the family doesn't want him to attend, then obviously
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Speaker 4: he's doing the right thing by not attending. However, Matilda's
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Speaker 4: family did tell us at the Big Jab the day
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Speaker 4: before her funeral that they had tried to make contact
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Speaker 4: with Alberanzi's office and he had not responded and they
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Speaker 4: had not heard from him yet. And this is a
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Speaker 4: couple of days after the tragedy, and honestly, he needs
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Speaker 4: to be making contact a lot.
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Speaker 3: It's very clear that Albanezi has gone into hiding. He
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Speaker 3: does not want to face the Australian public, and maybe
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Speaker 3: some of the families have said don't go to the funerals,
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Speaker 3: but that's no excuse not to go. Back to Bondai,
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Speaker 3: his idea of taking action is holding a cocktail party
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Speaker 3: with the Governor General and community leaders. He will do
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Speaker 3: anything possible to avoid having an actual interaction with a
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Speaker 3: member of the public. It's always in a controlled environment,
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Speaker 3: in a press conference with just the media. He does
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Speaker 3: not want to face real people. And when you see
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Speaker 3: the level of community anger, I understand why he was
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Speaker 3: one woman Hana Friedman outside the funeral expressing the depth
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Speaker 3: of emotion that so many of us feel right now.
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Speaker 2: This was Jewish.
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Speaker 7: You're all gonna celebrate Christmas very soon, right Jesus was
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Speaker 7: a Jew, he would have looked like a rabbi that was.
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Speaker 2: Killed last week.
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Speaker 5: He looked like that the whole.
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Speaker 3: Christian't you Jay, Your world celebrates Christmas of a Jewish
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Speaker 3: man and his apostles were rabbis like.
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Speaker 2: These guys, And that's how I think.
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Speaker 3: Certainly the Jewish community is feeling. But so many ordinary
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Speaker 3: Australians as well. Now albanize in an attempt to shift
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Speaker 3: focus and claw's way back to some sort of tenable
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Speaker 3: Prime ministership. I already think it's long gone, but he's
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Speaker 3: giving it his best shot. I guess he's put forward
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Speaker 3: a package to combat anti Semitism, but it's really too little,
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Speaker 3: too late. He's an overview of what it involves.
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Speaker 8: It includes a new aggravated hate speech offence for preachers
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Speaker 8: and leaders who promote violence, along with increased penalties and
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Speaker 8: making hate and aggravating factor in sentencing for online threats.
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Speaker 8: A new regime will be developed to list organizations promoting hate,
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Speaker 8: along with a new offense of advocating racial supremacy.
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Speaker 3: He was also asked at the press conference when announcing this,
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Speaker 3: does he regret not having done more?
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Speaker 6: Can you explain why you haven't done more?
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Speaker 7: Until now?
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Speaker 1: We could always have done more?
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Speaker 2: Why haven't you done more?
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Speaker 1: Or I have done my best to respond? Do I regret?
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Speaker 1: Anyone in this position would regret not doing more? In
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Speaker 1: any inadequacies which are there?
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Speaker 3: Starting to sound like a Kamala Harris word salad there,
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Speaker 3: Just be honest, mate, you are ashamed, you were embarrassed,
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Speaker 3: You've gone into hiding. Your staffers have drawn up this plan.
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Speaker 3: But why has it taken a massacre for you to act.
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Speaker 3: This is what I don't say. He's being honest.
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Speaker 4: He can't bring himself to say those things because he
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Speaker 4: doesn't feel it in his heart. He doesn't feel regret
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Speaker 4: because he doesn't truly understand the threat that Jews face.
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Speaker 4: And even after fifteen innocent lives were taken, he can't
21:21
Speaker 4: take any accountability for that. So how can he express
21:25
Speaker 4: it with any sort of authenticity. He can't. At his heart,
21:30
Speaker 4: he's still that young pro Palestinian student activist, you know,
21:34
Speaker 4: who would chant slogans against Israel. He never Our colleague
21:38
Speaker 4: Shari Markson revealed that, you know, years before he became leader,
21:44
Speaker 4: he prime minister, he said, you know, he didn't like Israel.
21:50
Speaker 5: It's not in his heart.
21:52
Speaker 4: So I mean, look, I am glad that the government
21:57
Speaker 4: is finally doing something and have admitted that there's this
22:00
Speaker 4: issue is anti's Semitism and not about gun control. Although
22:04
Speaker 4: why this guy was allowed to have six guns, Why
22:06
Speaker 4: a non citizen could have six guns, Why the relative
22:10
Speaker 4: of someone who had been under ASIO watch for connections
22:13
Speaker 4: to isis could be allowed to own a gun as
22:17
Speaker 4: another story, But why did it take eighty nine hours?
22:20
Speaker 4: This should have been the next day, the next morning
22:23
Speaker 4: things announced, you know, And why did it take this
22:26
Speaker 4: to happen in the first place. That is just the
22:28
Speaker 4: most atrocious part of it, because Jews have been warning
22:31
Speaker 4: about this for two and a bit years.
22:34
Speaker 6: Especially because he had that report from Gillian Siegel that's
22:37
Speaker 6: been sitting on his desk now for six months. I
22:40
Speaker 6: think they were just so caught off excuse me, caught
22:42
Speaker 6: off guard that they didn't know what to do.
22:44
Speaker 2: And when I watch him in.
22:45
Speaker 6: These press conferences, I still think he doesn't know how
22:48
Speaker 6: to handle this situation at all. And that's why he's
22:51
Speaker 6: also coming across a so not authentic because he doesn't
22:55
Speaker 6: seem of the concern because he just doesn't know what
22:57
Speaker 6: to do. It's almost like a deer in headlights that
22:59
Speaker 6: we can really see someone that's really out of their depth.
23:02
Speaker 2: But I'm the same as you care.
23:03
Speaker 6: I really think that this is great that we've got something,
23:06
Speaker 6: and I do welcome that he's trying to put into
23:09
Speaker 6: place a few things, but there's still so many other
23:11
Speaker 6: actions that need to be done. I don't like how
23:13
Speaker 6: he keeps saying that the redesign's going to be complex
23:16
Speaker 6: and that they're setting in new task forces to be
23:19
Speaker 6: able to do it take a year to look into
23:20
Speaker 6: the universities, which I don't want it to become. Yes,
23:23
Speaker 6: we don't want it to become like a here's another
23:26
Speaker 6: task force, go off, you go in a year.
23:27
Speaker 2: Will reconvene. Don't you go off and do that?
23:29
Speaker 6: No, So that's what is concerning me about the wording
23:32
Speaker 6: about how it's going to take time to do the redesign. Well, no,
23:36
Speaker 6: you've got teams. Let's get everyone together, work hard and
23:39
Speaker 6: get Parliament back.
23:40
Speaker 3: And my other concern is the emphasis on the hate
23:43
Speaker 3: speech laws. I mean, we've seen how in the UK
23:46
Speaker 3: those laws that are often put into place with good
23:50
Speaker 3: intentions can very quickly be used against people who criticize
23:54
Speaker 3: the government, criticize official narratives, have strong political views, and
23:59
Speaker 3: so I think we really have to get to the
24:01
Speaker 3: core of the issue. I love the focus on the
24:03
Speaker 3: hate preachers. I think that is that is the core
24:05
Speaker 3: of the issue, the radicalization of people.
24:08
Speaker 4: It was shameful that it took the Jewish community to
24:11
Speaker 4: take legal action against the hate preacher with some Hadad
24:15
Speaker 4: who allegedly we have to say allegedly now because of
24:18
Speaker 4: the chargers who allegedly influenced or radicalized or was part
24:23
Speaker 4: of the radicalization of the younger of the two terrorists.
24:26
Speaker 5: But they have it.
24:29
Speaker 4: Look, let's move on from the Bonnai massacre and Australia Day.
24:32
Speaker 4: It's that time of year again where we discuss how
24:34
Speaker 4: Australia Day has been canceled by yet more institutions, and
24:38
Speaker 4: this time it's Melbourne University. Now they have taken Australia
24:42
Speaker 4: Day completely off their official cultural event calendars. In fact,
24:48
Speaker 4: the list of events they are recognizing include International Day
24:54
Speaker 4: of Yoga twenty first of June, in case anyone was wondering,
24:58
Speaker 4: and Transgender Day of Visibility. There are a couple of
25:02
Speaker 4: faculties that do mention January twenty six, but only as
25:08
Speaker 4: an invasion Day or survival day, so they're completely putting
25:14
Speaker 4: it obviously a very negative and one sided spin on
25:18
Speaker 4: what for many and most Australians are bewhelmingly is a
25:22
Speaker 4: day of celebration of Western civilization.
25:24
Speaker 2: We just have to move past.
25:26
Speaker 6: We are such a culture that is obsessed with apology
25:29
Speaker 6: and looking back and making everyone feel guilty for being
25:34
Speaker 6: born here, for coming here and not being the original
25:37
Speaker 6: owners of the land. And I think we need to
25:39
Speaker 6: stop that, and especially in universities and in schools where
25:42
Speaker 6: they've all got their ideological activism and almost they're teaching
25:48
Speaker 6: history in the way that they want to see fit.
25:50
Speaker 6: And I say to everyone, they all need to read
25:52
Speaker 6: Tony Abbott's new book because it is a very very
25:55
Speaker 6: well researched Chinese Vie yeah exactly, which goes very nicely
25:59
Speaker 6: with it, because it's a really good way of looking
26:02
Speaker 6: at Australia's history, so that we are proud of where
26:04
Speaker 6: we live. Let's bring back the pride in our country,
26:06
Speaker 6: be proud to have the flag hanging up.
26:09
Speaker 2: I'm so sick of us having to.
26:11
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't just start at a university level
26:14
Speaker 4: or even high school.
26:15
Speaker 5: It's in preschools and kindergartens.
26:17
Speaker 4: Now there's always, was, always will be some form of
26:21
Speaker 4: acknowledgment to country every day. It is really by the
26:24
Speaker 4: time they get to school, primary school or high school,
26:28
Speaker 4: they've already been indoctrinated to want level.
26:31
Speaker 6: We just talk about the example of when our kids
26:33
Speaker 6: when they were in Melbourne, and one he was very
26:36
Speaker 6: little but couldn't identify the Australian flag, but could identify
26:39
Speaker 6: the Aboriginal Entirestralia under flags. I remember said my husband,
26:43
Speaker 6: We've got a very big problem here, and it's because
26:45
Speaker 6: they get taught from such a very young age and
26:47
Speaker 6: they do the acknowledgment to country every day. They hardly
26:50
Speaker 6: ever sing the anthem, so you're right it starts.
26:53
Speaker 4: The report has an Adelaide childcare sense at prayer that
26:57
Speaker 4: calls it invasion Day and not Australia.
27:00
Speaker 2: So ridiculous.
27:01
Speaker 3: When I was at Sydney UNI, the SRC, the Student
27:04
Speaker 3: Representative Council, they would call Australia so cold Australian line,
27:10
Speaker 3: so any statements in so Cold Australia. Even after the
27:14
Speaker 3: Bondai massacre, the SRC released a ridiculous statement they said,
27:18
Speaker 3: in so Cold Australia.
27:20
Speaker 2: I'll come on with you. I'm sick of this garbage.
27:24
Speaker 3: But in better news, if you are looking for something
27:28
Speaker 3: to stream, something to watch, a ground breaking new documentary
27:34
Speaker 3: is about to be released and it's all about Milania
27:38
Speaker 3: Trump in the twenty days leading up to Donald Trump's inauguration.
27:43
Speaker 3: This is the highest most expensive documentary ever made, costing
27:47
Speaker 3: sixty million Australian dollars and it's pretty incredible.
27:52
Speaker 2: Have a look at the trailer.
27:55
Speaker 9: Everyone wants to know, So here it is. Hi, mister President, Congratulations,
28:07
Speaker 9: I did not. Yeah, I will see it on the
28:09
Speaker 9: new scene.
28:16
Speaker 3: I love it, And it's just so amazing because Milania
28:19
Speaker 3: is effortlessly elegant but also very discreet and private, So
28:25
Speaker 3: this is really going to be something very special. A
28:28
Speaker 3: behind the scenes look at the first lady in a
28:31
Speaker 3: way we've never seen before, and the production value, just
28:35
Speaker 3: the access so you get into their lives. It's pretty awesome.
28:39
Speaker 2: Oh.
28:39
Speaker 6: I'll be tuning in and watching absolutely because it's just
28:42
Speaker 6: a behind the scenes look of the lead up and
28:45
Speaker 6: a world that we aren't exposed to. I just love though,
28:48
Speaker 6: the line where he says, did you watch it, No,
28:52
Speaker 6: don't watch it on the news. It's just something you
28:54
Speaker 6: can just see as a married couple that they seem
28:57
Speaker 6: so normal in that situation. But I think it's going
28:59
Speaker 6: to be great, And as she said, everyone wants to know,
29:02
Speaker 6: so here it is, you know, for anyone.
29:04
Speaker 4: I think that line really will show the doubters and
29:09
Speaker 4: the haters who think she's just under Trump's thumb, that
29:12
Speaker 4: she isn't. She can stand up on her own. They
29:14
Speaker 4: were even there's even another part of the documentary where
29:18
Speaker 4: she's giving him tips and pointers when he's rehearsing his speech.
29:24
Speaker 4: I think it says in auguration speech, So I think
29:27
Speaker 4: it'll give people a new insight on her. I'm just
29:29
Speaker 4: not sure that the people who have already made their
29:31
Speaker 4: minds up about her being I don't know whatever, they
29:35
Speaker 4: think she is a dumb bimbo just because she's a model,
29:40
Speaker 4: are going to be the ones to go and see it.
29:41
Speaker 4: But I certainly want to. And I think the great
29:45
Speaker 4: shame too, is that she is the most beautiful and
29:48
Speaker 4: stunning and stylish of all the first ladies, and yet
29:53
Speaker 4: she was always overlooked by the fashion magazines. Vogue never
29:57
Speaker 4: put her on their cover and they featured Michelle but
30:00
Speaker 4: how many times.
30:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's hardly dumb bimbo. She speaks like four
30:04
Speaker 3: languages or something. She's incredible. Also, in the US, the
30:08
Speaker 3: US House has voted to criminalize gender affirming care. So
30:14
Speaker 3: any doctor who performs gender affirming care which is transitioning children.
30:19
Speaker 3: This is for miners, I should say, they will now
30:23
Speaker 3: be potentially charged with a felony. To quote from the bill,
30:27
Speaker 3: it says specifically the bill makes it a felony to
30:30
Speaker 3: perform any gender affirming care on a miner, and it
30:34
Speaker 3: permits a miner on whom such care is performed to
30:37
Speaker 3: bring a civil action against each individual who provided the care. Additionally,
30:43
Speaker 3: the bill prohibits the use of federal funds for gender
30:45
Speaker 3: affirming care or for health insurance that covers such care. Finally,
30:49
Speaker 3: the bill prohibits institutions of higher education from offering instruction
30:55
Speaker 3: in gender affirming care. So refreshing to see, Jamie, this
30:59
Speaker 3: is what we need. Firstly, actually creating a legal avenue
31:02
Speaker 3: for victims of this child abuse. I think we can
31:05
Speaker 3: now safely call it to have legal compensation. That's a
31:11
Speaker 3: big thing once the lawsuits start coming in. I don't
31:13
Speaker 3: think many medical professionals will be suggesting this, but it
31:17
Speaker 3: is really great and then just depressing when you realize
31:20
Speaker 3: how far behind Australia is on this issue.
31:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's good to say that it's gone through
31:25
Speaker 6: the House. Still needs to get through the Senate, and
31:28
Speaker 6: a lot of the US states actually already have bands
31:31
Speaker 6: like this in place. It'll now just make a federal law, which,
31:35
Speaker 6: to your point, it's just bringing common sense back into
31:39
Speaker 6: the world of which we live. In the fact that
31:41
Speaker 6: children that are under eighteen are offered things like puberty
31:45
Speaker 6: blockers and gender affirm and care.
31:48
Speaker 2: It just blows my mind.
31:49
Speaker 6: And over here in Australia, which when you think about it,
31:52
Speaker 6: that if you're under eighteen or under sixteen, you can
31:54
Speaker 6: get parents to authorize you to go through a transition process,
31:58
Speaker 6: and yet they're not allowed at access to social media
32:01
Speaker 6: or things like YouTube.
32:02
Speaker 2: And I looked at that and I think, what are
32:04
Speaker 2: we doing?
32:05
Speaker 6: These kids are going to do lifelong harm potentially if
32:09
Speaker 6: they end up you know, when you're going through puberty
32:11
Speaker 6: or something and you don't feel comfort in your body
32:13
Speaker 6: and you go down that path. But we're not giving
32:15
Speaker 6: them access to social media accounts. It just just feels
32:19
Speaker 6: very wrong to me at them.
32:20
Speaker 4: Well, I agree with the social media ban, but I'm
32:22
Speaker 4: glad to see that happen. It's one of the few
32:24
Speaker 4: things I do agree with the government on because to me,
32:28
Speaker 4: protecting kids from the harms of social media, which are
32:32
Speaker 4: well documented and proven now, is more important than some
32:35
Speaker 4: people's say saying, oh, we're our rights to free speech. Well,
32:39
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, kids should be Kids don't have the right
32:42
Speaker 4: to smoke either.
32:43
Speaker 5: They don't have the right to drink.
32:44
Speaker 4: There are just some things that you protect them from,
32:47
Speaker 4: in harms from. But in terms of this, yes, I
32:50
Speaker 4: think it is obviously a great step.
32:51
Speaker 5: I've spoken out a lot about.
32:53
Speaker 4: This issue and we've seen Queensland now put in what
32:56
Speaker 4: has to be you know, it's a direction from the
33:00
Speaker 4: appamente because the court overturned the previous parents.
33:04
Speaker 5: At the moment, Yes, I mean there are a lot
33:06
Speaker 5: of that.
33:06
Speaker 4: We're hearing a lot more stories about people who regret
33:09
Speaker 4: transitions that they've made. But I think it will it
33:13
Speaker 4: will slowly, slowly trickle down here. We're just very far
33:16
Speaker 4: behind other places. I will say that just to play
33:20
Speaker 4: devil's advocate, because I don't think that children should be
33:23
Speaker 4: encouraged to transition. But once you have gone through puberty,
33:27
Speaker 4: if you did decide as an adult to then make
33:30
Speaker 4: a transition, you are always going to very much look
33:33
Speaker 4: like the sex.
33:35
Speaker 5: That you are.
33:36
Speaker 4: You know and say if that's the reason a lot
33:38
Speaker 4: of children say they, you know, are encouraged you or
33:42
Speaker 4: affirmed to because that's when you can stop it. But
33:45
Speaker 4: you're right, it does have lifelong effects. And I think
33:47
Speaker 4: that the key is more going is more about educating
33:51
Speaker 4: or helping children feel comfortable in their bodies.
33:54
Speaker 2: That they have to go through tough times.
33:56
Speaker 6: When you are a teenager, you go through awkward tough time.
34:00
Speaker 6: And nowadays people then a taught gender identity and what
34:03
Speaker 6: to do if you're born on the wrong body. So
34:05
Speaker 6: it does put things into children's head and they look
34:07
Speaker 6: at my kids and think they're not going to be
34:09
Speaker 6: able to grasp concepts like that. So they then can think, oh,
34:12
Speaker 6: I'm not feeling great. Maybe it's because I'm in the
34:14
Speaker 6: wrong body. And I just think we shouldn't be doing
34:16
Speaker 6: this to kids, especially when they're not.
34:18
Speaker 3: And if you have a mental illness, if you have
34:20
Speaker 3: an eating disorder, for example, we don't affirm that. We
34:22
Speaker 3: don't tell anorected girls, yeah you're really fat, you should
34:25
Speaker 3: starve yourself. No, we treat what's going on psychologically. That's
34:30
Speaker 3: how we should approach this. But just quickly, ladies, Christmas
34:33
Speaker 3: is rapidly approaching, and there is one trend that gen
34:38
Speaker 3: Z is pushing that has the internet very divided. You know,
34:42
Speaker 3: when you're a Christmas and you open a present and
34:45
Speaker 3: it's just not quite what you wanted. Well, young people
34:48
Speaker 3: have found a way to get around that. They're now
34:50
Speaker 3: creating gift mood boards, which are essentially a collage of
34:55
Speaker 3: all the things they would love for Christmas, and then
34:58
Speaker 3: they send that to all their family me and they
35:01
Speaker 3: can pick from the mood board what to get.
35:04
Speaker 4: It's like a teenage list for Santa, isn't it is?
35:07
Speaker 4: But it does seem quite entitled. You know, you just
35:10
Speaker 4: suck it up, just been lucky you're getting in.
35:13
Speaker 2: But what if you don't like what you get?
35:16
Speaker 6: Take it back without telling everyone? Because in that article
35:19
Speaker 6: it does say that the parents feel as though it's
35:21
Speaker 6: like a wedding registry list because they're so extravagant some
35:24
Speaker 6: of the gifts that are on.
35:25
Speaker 2: This But whatever is that. It's just that's part of it.
35:28
Speaker 2: You get to go off and try and think what
35:29
Speaker 2: that surprise like.
35:31
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always nice to have a surprise on Christmas.
35:34
Speaker 3: Someone if someone actually told me here it's sky that
35:37
Speaker 3: they caught their nieces selling the Christmas gifts that they've
35:42
Speaker 3: given them and a second hand flea market. So I
35:46
Speaker 3: guess you know, you can always repurpose gifts you don't
35:50
Speaker 3: like exactly, Sorry, get out the mood boards A.
35:53
Speaker 5: Put of money on the side.
35:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
35:56
Speaker 3: Well, coming up after the break, we're going to get
35:59
Speaker 3: into the papers were new details about the alleged terrorists
36:04
Speaker 3: and their access to weapons have been revealed. Welcome back
36:16
Speaker 3: to the program. Let's get into tomorrow's papers, Caroline. Dramatic
36:20
Speaker 3: scenes in southwest Sydney.
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Speaker 4: Yes, well, our colleague Charity Markson broke the story earlier
36:26
Speaker 4: in the evening, but pictures on the front page of
36:30
Speaker 4: the Daily Telegraph shows some of these dramatic scenes you mentioned, Freyer.
36:34
Speaker 5: The headline has.
36:35
Speaker 4: Stopped in their tracks and it's all about how counter
36:38
Speaker 4: terror cops have been involved in this dramatic Sydney bus. Now,
36:43
Speaker 4: the story goes on to say that there was a
36:45
Speaker 4: police operation.
36:47
Speaker 5: In Liverpool, which is in the city's.
36:49
Speaker 4: Southwest, in which tactical operations police responded to information that
36:55
Speaker 4: a violent act was possibly being planned. Now Sky News
36:59
Speaker 4: has reported that it's believed that these men were headed
37:03
Speaker 4: to Bondi Beach, which of course was the scene of
37:06
Speaker 4: Sunday's terror attacks and where a vigil has been continuing
37:11
Speaker 4: throughout the week. Police intercepted two cars as part of
37:15
Speaker 4: this investigation. They say that men may have been coming
37:19
Speaker 4: from Melbourne and heading towards the beach, but we don't
37:23
Speaker 4: know a whole lot more in relation to this. There
37:27
Speaker 4: is an updated report that I just saw on the
37:29
Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph website that no weapons are understood to have
37:33
Speaker 4: been found in the car. But seriously but serious enough
37:37
Speaker 4: clearly for the police to respond in such a heavy handed,
37:40
Speaker 4: dramatic way in broad daylight.
37:44
Speaker 6: They just won't want to be taking any risks off
37:46
Speaker 6: the back of what happened on Sunday. But I think
37:48
Speaker 6: it's also a reminder to show so many of these
37:53
Speaker 6: potential incidents are stopped by our police force and ASIO
37:56
Speaker 6: who are working very hard in the background.
37:59
Speaker 2: No doubt more effication will be coming through overnight about this. Yeah,
38:02
Speaker 2: I remember.
38:03
Speaker 3: I think it was some Israeli diplomat that was talking
38:06
Speaker 3: just a few days ago after the Bondai massacre saying,
38:09
Speaker 3: you have no idea the amount of terror plots that
38:13
Speaker 3: our intelligence agencies foil. So we think the world is
38:17
Speaker 3: precarious now. If we knew the full extent of the
38:20
Speaker 3: threats that we're facing as a country, I don't know
38:23
Speaker 3: how any of us would be able to sleep at night.
38:25
Speaker 3: So well done to the police on some amazing work there.
38:28
Speaker 3: Well let's move on to what's making headlines in the
38:31
Speaker 3: Australian tomorrow. First up, we have Security Oversight Body left
38:37
Speaker 3: in limbo. Anthony Albinizi has refused to allow Parliament's powerful
38:43
Speaker 3: Intelligence Committee to operate at full capacity since twenty twenty three,
38:48
Speaker 3: leaving a position vacant on the critical Oversight body amids
38:52
Speaker 3: soaring terrorist d espionage threats. The Australian can reveal the committee,
38:57
Speaker 3: which can receive top security information from spy agencies, regularly
39:02
Speaker 3: struggles to achieve a quorum and has not specifically probed
39:06
Speaker 3: whether agencies are properly resourced.
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Speaker 2: Under the Albanesi Parliament.
39:13
Speaker 3: Every time we get more news about how this government
39:17
Speaker 3: has treated our national security, it has painted a picture
39:21
Speaker 3: of sheer negligence. Negligence, that's how I would describe this. Clearly,
39:27
Speaker 3: national security is just simply not a priority of the
39:31
Speaker 3: Albanese government.
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Speaker 4: Well, when you consider that they had agreed to take
39:35
Speaker 4: the biggest amount by far of gardens from a terror
39:39
Speaker 4: hotspot with minimal to no checks until reporting emerged, like
39:45
Speaker 4: some people were.
39:45
Speaker 5: Being checked within a day.
39:48
Speaker 4: There's no way you can do proper checks on whether
39:50
Speaker 4: someone has links to terrorism within a day.
39:54
Speaker 5: This doesn't surprise me at all.
39:56
Speaker 4: National security is clearly not a priority for this government
40:00
Speaker 4: and look where that has led us.
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Speaker 2: Yep, exactly right.
40:03
Speaker 3: Well. Also in the Australian Tomorrow, cops detain Bondai.
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Speaker 2: Sorry no, we've already done that one.
40:09
Speaker 3: The headline is identical shotgun buys should have seemed strange.
40:14
Speaker 3: Bondai gunman Sajid Akram bought three identical shotguns over the
40:19
Speaker 3: past eighteen months, the most recent in September this year,
40:23
Speaker 3: giving authorities a clue about when the terror plot was hatched.
40:27
Speaker 3: Sources have told The Australian that Akram bought the ten
40:30
Speaker 3: shot straight pool shotguns in June and August twenty twenty
40:34
Speaker 3: four and September this year. This is shocking. This should
40:40
Speaker 3: have raised ilam bells. Why do you need three of
40:44
Speaker 3: the same gun if you're supposedly a recreational hunter.
40:49
Speaker 6: Or having six in total when you live somewhere like
40:52
Speaker 6: Bonnie rig And this is certainly going to be making
40:55
Speaker 6: out part of the investigation to see how things like
40:57
Speaker 6: this are allowed or when you have a sun that's
41:00
Speaker 6: been investigated and on azo's watch list, how you're allowed.
41:04
Speaker 2: To live in a house with guns.
41:05
Speaker 6: Why they're not flagged when they then go to the
41:07
Speaker 6: Philippines and not watch when they come back.
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Speaker 2: All of this will be forming part of the investigation.
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Speaker 4: But surely, and even if you're if you're not an
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Speaker 4: Australian citizen, you shouldn't be able to own a.
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Speaker 5: Firearm here because you're loyalties.
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Speaker 4: Clearly, you can't prove if you're not having become a citizen,
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Speaker 4: you can't be proved loyal enough to be able to
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Speaker 4: have a gun. I'm sorry if that might some people
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Speaker 4: might say racist, but I'm rather ensure the protection of
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Speaker 4: citizens and Australians and others who live here, then to
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Speaker 4: care about whether or not that seems racist.
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Speaker 5: Clearly that shouldn't be allowed.
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Speaker 4: I still think gun reform is the secondary issue here,
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Speaker 4: but clearly it does need to be tied it up
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Speaker 4: because this.
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Speaker 2: Is absurd, exactly right.
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Speaker 3: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, Dutton calls for national all
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Speaker 3: out war on anti Semitism. Former Home Affairs and Defense
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Speaker 3: Minister Peter Dutton has called for the establishment of a
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Speaker 3: national task force of the Commonwealth and States, akin to
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Speaker 3: Operation Sovereign Borders Force that stopped the boats to combat
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism and radical Islamist terrorism. The former Liberal leader
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Speaker 3: said such a task force should be set up immediately
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Speaker 3: with steely resolve and complete commitment to declaring an all
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Speaker 3: out war on anti Semitism. Bring back Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 6: It wouldn't have been a different difference.
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Speaker 2: Right now.
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Speaker 4: He was thrown out of his seat and Anthony Albaniz
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Speaker 4: he came in with such a resounding reduce, well, this
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Speaker 4: is what you get for what you vote for. People,
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Speaker 4: you get what you vote for, and this is what
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Speaker 4: we've got now and what we're stuck with. So I
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Speaker 4: have a lot of people are regretting what they casted
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Speaker 4: the ballot box.
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Speaker 3: And there were definitely issues with the campaign, issues with
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Speaker 3: Dutton's performance, but something no one could ever fault that
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Speaker 3: no one was conviction and he really truly did believe
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Speaker 3: in our country and he took defense and national security
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Speaker 3: extremely seriously.
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Speaker 5: And he was such a staunch supporter of the.
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Speaker 4: Jewish community and he really understood the threat that the
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Speaker 4: community and thereby every Australian, because Jews are just the first,
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Speaker 4: they're always the kamera in the coal mine. Every Australian
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Speaker 4: faces the same threat. And there were plenty of non
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Speaker 4: Jewish people who were.
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Speaker 5: Caught up as victims. The couple have been identified among
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Speaker 5: the dead, So it is something that affects all of us.
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Speaker 6: And I must say, before I moved to the Herald's Son,
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Speaker 6: whenever I was out campaigning with Peter Dutton, the amount
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Speaker 6: of people from the Jewish community that would come running
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Speaker 6: over to him and shake his hand and hug him
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Speaker 6: and just thank him so much for all of the
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Speaker 6: support that he showed them.
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Speaker 2: So it's sad he didn't get in.
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Speaker 6: Well, let's have a look now at the Herald's Sun
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Speaker 6: where the front page story here is Bondai lawsuit, a
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Speaker 6: landmark class action is being prepared over the evil Isis
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Speaker 6: inspired Bondai Beach terror attack that saw fifteen p people
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Speaker 6: shot dead in cold blood. The Jewish Center for Law
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Speaker 6: and Justice is offering to arrange pro bono legal advice
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Speaker 6: for anyone, regardless of ethnicity, that was impacted by the massacre.
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Speaker 6: The far reaching legal action has been considered against the
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Speaker 6: federal government agencies such as ASIO and the Australian Federal Police,
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Speaker 6: New South Wales Police, hate preachers and the social media
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Speaker 6: giants that publish their abhorrent speech.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we see this sort of thing
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Speaker 4: quite often in the United States with civil lawsuits. It's
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Speaker 4: not as common here, but they may have to wait
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Speaker 4: until any criminal prosecution is completed.
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Speaker 5: A lot of.
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Speaker 4: Stuff is going to come out at during the court
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Speaker 4: process for the younger gunman who's still obviously facing charges.
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Speaker 4: As we've talked about tonight, it also says that a
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Speaker 4: key issue will be how sudjid the father who's been
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Speaker 4: killed God who's gone license, which I think is entirely
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Speaker 4: fair because that seems entirely negligent.
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Speaker 5: So someone has to take responsibility.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's the core issue there. I think
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Speaker 3: they could definitely have a claim. Well, I don't want
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Speaker 3: to say, don't want to give legal advice, but you
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Speaker 3: would seem as an outsider. There's got to be something
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Speaker 3: there and someone's got to be held accountable.
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Speaker 4: Well, just very quickly, a front page of the anti
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Speaker 4: news Crime Fight packs punch and this is all about
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Speaker 4: how the government there its hardline approach on law and order,
45:28
Speaker 4: continues to have more encouraging results in certain areas nineteen
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Speaker 4: percent and thirty nine percent falls, respectively, which just goes
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Speaker 4: to show when you have a state or territory government
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Speaker 4: which cares about being tough on crime.
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Speaker 5: It does make a difference.
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Speaker 4: You can improve crime rates, which is exactly what has
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Speaker 4: happened there.
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Speaker 3: Take note, Victoria, Yeah, you don't have to live like this.
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Speaker 3: The Finocchiara government in the NT shows you what's possible. Well,
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Speaker 3: coming up after the break, if you're looking for a
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Speaker 3: last minute yet Christmas present and you've heard about the
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Speaker 3: La booboo craze, well, an iconic Australian retailer is partnering
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Speaker 3: with La Booboo and delivering the ultimate Christmas gift for
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Speaker 3: just twelve dollars fifty.
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, Welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 3: Jamie tell us about these Bogan La booboos.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that's the name that they are being called, because
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Speaker 6: Bunnings has jumped on to the massive craze of La
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Speaker 6: booboos and they have launched the Bunnings Mini Bears and
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Speaker 6: they are four different bears. There's also a secret version
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Speaker 6: which you got the chance of one in sixteen. So
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Speaker 6: each box costs twelve dollars fifty, which is about half the.
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Speaker 2: Price of a real labooboo.
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Speaker 6: But it's perfect if you've got a family where maybe
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Speaker 6: there's a few of them that are really into the
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Speaker 6: La Boo boos go by the Bogan Labooo. For someone
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Speaker 6: else in the family.
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Speaker 4: I think my son would be much more into this.
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Speaker 4: He loves Bunnings and we used to go there all
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Speaker 4: the time instead of the playground.
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Speaker 5: He'd choose to go to Bunnings. Even had a b party.
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Speaker 5: So maybe I'll have to get you need to go.
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Speaker 2: Get money tomorrow and get a bus.
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Speaker 6: I actually looked online and they are sold out in
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Speaker 6: most funnings.
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Speaker 2: Really well, there's a few.
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Speaker 6: They still have a few available, but most are sold
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Speaker 6: Outn't get this craze, no, I'm with you, especially the
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Speaker 6: full priced ones like thirty five bucks or something for
47:17
Speaker 6: a piece of plastic.
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Speaker 4: The people que up for it and then they'll pay
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Speaker 4: hundreds of dollars online and for ones that they haven't
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Speaker 4: been able to get in mystery boxes.
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Speaker 5: It's crazy.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk about a Koala on a bus, because how
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Speaker 4: much more Aussie can you get than that?
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Speaker 5: Maybe a koala on in a coombe.
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Speaker 4: Or something, But anyway, a young adventurous Koala has ended
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Speaker 4: up hitching a ride on a Brisbane bus after it
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Speaker 4: dodged traffic on a busy road in the city's inner
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Speaker 4: East on the weekend.
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Speaker 5: The local council buses grab rails.
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Speaker 4: Normally they used when you need to, you know, hold
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Speaker 4: yourself stable and steady as the turning corners.
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Speaker 5: This time that's where this tree dwelling muscle.
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Speaker 4: He's been named as Perry, he found refuge on the
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Speaker 4: weekend and Kwala Rescue Brisbane South South Brianne Barkler said
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Speaker 4: she was in disbelief when she heard about this native
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Speaker 4: animal on a bus. But you know, he at least
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Speaker 4: he wasn't being hit by a car. He found refuge
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Speaker 4: somewhere and he's safe. So good on your Perry.
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Speaker 3: That is just the cutest thing and he is so brave.
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Speaker 3: Good on that little Koala. Well, this might be good
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Speaker 3: news for pet owners, or maybe it's just showing how
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Speaker 3: crazy pet owners have become. But a woman in the
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Speaker 3: United States has applied to the irs they're basically their
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Speaker 3: tax office, to have her golden retriever classified as a
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Speaker 3: legal dependent, so the dog would effectively become her child
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Speaker 3: for tax purposes. Now, loving your dog is one thing,
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Speaker 3: but trying to use them to if a taxes that's novel. Well,
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Speaker 3: I mean the dogs are expensive.
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Speaker 6: I have got a dog, and you know you got
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Speaker 6: to pay for its insurance and all of its food.
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Speaker 2: So maybe they're onto something pills.
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if it's I wonder if it's
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Speaker 4: a tax evasion scheme or someone who's like seriously deluded
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Speaker 4: about pets being equal to children, because there are plenty of.
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Speaker 5: The problem mothers women especially out there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not it wouldn't be tax evasion, but definitely
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Speaker 3: tax minimization. But I'm with her on that point. Well,
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Speaker 3: that's all that we have for you tonight. Coming up
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Speaker 3: next is the Reader Panahy Show.
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Speaker 2: Have a good night,