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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC CO/Lieutenant (Part 2) (5/21/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to die of
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  right back in to the interview given by the unnamed
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  COO from MCC to the OIG investigators. Question, okay, answer,
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  and in special housing unit, we should be walking every
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  single tier, speaking with every single inmate as a lieutenant
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  making rounds in a special housing unit? Question, can you
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  kind of explain that a little bit? Answer? Okay? Question?
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  So during the shift should a lieutenant be going to
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  the special housing unit? Answer that is correct question and
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  actually doing that answer? Yeah, So in general population, that's
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  the opposite of special housing. When you make around like
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  you don't have to hit. So let's say that they
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  have eight tiers tier one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
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  You make around, you check on the officer, and then
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  you're in the unit. But you're not because inmates are
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  out and about. So it's not about walking every tear
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  because the inmates are out. But in special I'm sorry,
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  I'm just dramatic with my hands. So in the special
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  housing in major lockdown, so it's our responsibility to go
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  up on the tier and go to every door and
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  speak to every inmate. Because it's not general population. It's
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  not like they can when you come out to the unit.
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  When they come out and say, hey, Lieutenant, I got
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  a question. That's the reason why we've got to go
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  to them. Question. So the lieutenant does that though? Answer? Yeah,
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  question all right? Answer for a round wants a shift? Question?
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  So every shift to lieutenant should be actually in the
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  Special Housing unit checking on the he gets cut off
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  by the guard. Yes. Question is that in policy or
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  is that something new? Question? It's now a post order.
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  It was the post order at Danbury, I know that
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  for sure. Question And who is it that's actually responsible
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  for doing that? Which lieutenant? So, for instance, each shift,
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  which is the LOUTI tenant that should be doing like
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  a rounder account? Did you say it was a rounder account? Answer?
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  Either one one is good enough. So Operations Lieutenant is
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  the highest ranking officer on shift on evening watch. So
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  as an aid acting as a lieutenant, like when I'm
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  finished with my shift, I'll go check in with him
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  and I'll say, hey, do you need me? He'll go, okay,
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  I need you to take the count and control that four.
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  I need you to move this inmate from Special Housing
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  Unit to Suicide Watch. I need you to move this
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  inmate over here, and then after that, I need you
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  to make sure that all the food cards get up
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  on time. So I'm kind of like taking direction from
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  the operations lieutenant. And then we'll say something like Hey,
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  who's going to shoe me? Or you? Oh, you go
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  to the shoe hit all of this, I'm going to
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  be doing this. It's kind of like you guys are question,
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  but every shift a lieutenant should be in the Special
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  Housing unit checking in with each inmate. Answer yes, question,
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  even like midnight to six am. Answer well, overnight is
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  kind of different because you're not You're making around, but
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  you're not tapping on every So like if you're making
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  around in Special Housing unit and I'm walking past to
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  sell and he's like writing a letter or something, right,
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  and the other one is like doing some jumpin jacks
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  and I'll show my face at the door. You guys good, Yeah,
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  I'm good. I'll keep it moving. I'm not like, hey,
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  do you have any issues? Tell me now. It's like
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  you know what I'm saying. You make yourself present. They
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  know who you are, and that's the opportunity for them
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  to say what they need to say. If they have
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  any issues or anything like that. Question but even from
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  like ten pm to six am, because they're probably sleeping
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  between then, right. Answer yeah, But so you're still making
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  around and basically looking for live breathing bodies. Question Okay,
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  so and the lieutenant should be doing that every night?
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  Answer yeah, question all right. Answer, I'm not really sure
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  about the morning shift. I'm not a fan of morning Watch.
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  I didn't work too much of the morning watch. Question
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  so that ten to six am you're not exactly sure? Answer,
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  I'm not sure. And nine they don't work overnight anyway,
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  because there's only one lieutenant on and that's only an
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  eleven nine leaves at ten every day. Question but basically
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  from the hours of six am to ten pm, a
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  lieutenant on each shift is going to check in. Answer yeah.
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  Question on August ninth from when you were acting, when
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  you were activities, lieutenant, did you supervise any counts? Answer No,
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  I don't remember supervising any counts. Question Okay, when you
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  came on. What are the count times at MCC? Answer
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  on weekends and holidays, it's ten am every day, four ten,
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  twelve oh one, three am and five am. Question what
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  about weekdays? Answer? The same time, but a ten am
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  count in the morning. So the four, the twelve, and
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  the five. Excuse me, it's every day. But in addition,
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  on the weekends and holidays we have a ten am count.
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  So you said you did not conduct a count on
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  August ninth. Answer, I don't remember. I can't say I
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  don't remember that question. I'm only following this up because
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  you said that you were supposed to answer no, no.
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  He cuts her off. Maybe one of the other lieutenants
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  did answer I don't remember who specifically, me or redacted
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  took the count to control question and control answer yeah,
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  in the control center. Question I thought you said that
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  they're also supposed to go to the doors and knock
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  and see a lieutenant's face in the shoe. Answer in
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  the shoe. But that's not a count question. Okay, that's
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  around answer. That's just when you make your lieutenant rounds.
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  Question Okay, so did you do a round? Answer? Yeah,
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  I didn't observe the count in the special Housing unit,
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  but I do recall making a round and hitting every tear.
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  Question do you remember around when you conducted that round
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  on the ninth? Answer? I remember around my eight, So
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  I want to say it was between like maybe five
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  and eight around that time. Question somewhere between five and
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  eight pm you were in the attorney conference room before that? Right? Answer? Yeah,
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  Question was Jeffrey Epstein in there? Answer yes, Question who
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  was meeting with them? Answer? A bunch of attorneys on
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  a daily basis. He always met with a bunch of attorneys.
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  Question how many attorneys were with them? Answer that day?
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  I can't even tell you how many, but it's never
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  just one. It's always more than one attorney. Question did
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  you interact with them that day, like when you were
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  doing attorney conference? Did he speak to you? Answer? He
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  had a bladder issue. So because I'm a female staff,
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  he had to use the restroom frequently, so I would
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  call a male staff over to help me. So in
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  that time, I would have to call him to the door,
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  put the cuffs on him, pop the door, and he
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  would use the bathroom. But a male staff would be
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  with me and him to do that, and it would
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  be the same. Jeff So I remember him being an
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  attorney conference. Question when you were doing the evening count
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  what evening rounds, Lieutenant rounds? Was he back in his cell? Answer? No,
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  he was still and he always did open to close
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  an attorney conference. Question Okay, we'll come back to that.
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  Do you have any other questions on that topic? Answer
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  if you're going to come back, But I would just
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  say that the time did he leave? Well, I just
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  said it. Answer yeah, question what time did he leave?
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  Answer about eight because attorney conference ends at eight and
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  ninety five percent of the time when I was there,
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  he was always there from start to finish. Question okay,
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  answer with attorneys though, those were attorney conference hours, and
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  he always did all the hours. Question when you were
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  as a lieutenant, when you supervised employees, how many employees
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  did you have under you? Answer on the evening watch
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  shift or day watch. It just really depends. If you're
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  working day watch and have more staff on, it would
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  be over fifty. Have you ever had any instruction or
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  anything that came from up above, any orders and you
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  had to pass it on to people that report to you. Answer? Yeah,
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  question how would you do it? Answer? We would usually
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  do conference calls. Question how do you do conference calls?
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  And how does that work? Explain that? Answer yep. The
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  phones that we have we just press three times, and
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  then whoever presses three we all hear each other. We
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  call those conference calls. Question okay. Answer, we make announcements
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  over the PA system, but if it's like pertinent information,
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  we do the conference calls. And also the kind of
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  individual where I repeat the same thing over and over again.
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  So when I made a round and I saw every officer,
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  I would say the same thing over and over. You know,
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  sometimes people miss conference calls. I was in the bathroom,
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  I was doing this, So this is pertinent information. So
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  face to face and conference calls. Question Okay, if there
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  was any instruction or guidance from upper management, how would
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  they give it to you? How would they pass it
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  on to you? Answer? They would pass it on to
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  me as an officer or as a nine lieutenant. Question
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  let's do both, since you can speak about both. Answer okay.
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  Question as an officer, how would you get it? Answer?
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  As an officer, they would tell the captain, who would
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  then tell the operations lieutenant and then inform the officers
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  if the officers needed to know. I mean, as an officer,
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  we all have a line staff. We didn't always know.
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  We didn't need to know the gist of everything. So
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  like say, for instance, that night we had a high
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  profile inmate coming in, we would find out, then we're
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  doing around and or working the unit, like, oh, you're
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  the one that was on the news. Okay, so we
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  didn't know everything that was going on. Question Okay, and
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  that's an officer. What about as a lieutenant answer being
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  a nine. I mean, if you happen to be in
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  the office at the time that the captain was telling operations,
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  then you'll get wind of it. If not, then if
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  I was walking around or out and about, and I
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  would see the opera and here she will call and say,
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  I've got some information to tell you. Come on down here.
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  The captain just told me X and Y and Z,
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  so we're going to do Z, Y and Z tonight.
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  Question okay. Answer. So it's basically the captain tells the absolutenant,
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  the obsolutenant disseminates to everybody else. Question all right, so
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  it's not like the captain's responsible for telling everyone else. Answer,
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  no question, the absolutenant really is answer that is correct?
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  Question okay, answer. I mean the captain communicates with staff
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  as well, but you know, the chain of command is
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  informed an operations lieutenant. Question okay, and then it's really
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  the operations lieutenant position. Okay. Question, So what if it
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  was a different shift. Something got passed down to the
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  operations lieutenant in the morning from the captain, and now
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  it's coming up on evening shift. How does that get
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  passed down? Because what if the captain doesn't get a
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  chance to meet with the operations lieutenant that works the
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  evening shift. Answer you're saying that like at eight in
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  the morning. Question. Let's say at eight in the morning,
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  there's an order of guidance that comes down to the
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  operations lieutenant, and now that needs to be spread out
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  to the evening shift and the night watch, right answer? Yeah, question, Well,
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  let's talk about specifics. So if you got right here,
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  you're looking at August ninth, and you've got redacted who
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  I'm assuming sorry redacted? Who would be here from it
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  looks like eight to four? Answer? He was seven to three.
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  Question seven to three, So he's on duty and right
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  there he's got who's the obsolutenant there? That's the captain.
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  Answer opps, lieutenant is redacted? Question so redacted? Is what
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  he's asking is if there's no overlap with redacted since
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  he starts at eight, how does the information get to redacted? Answer?
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  So redacted would be responsible to let redacted know everything
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  that has happened and what needs to be done? Question?
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  All right, and is that every day? Is it? If
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  redacted is or what am I saying? If redacted? Sorry,
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  I'm reading this upside down? Is redacted always gone by three?
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  Or does he ever have to overlap with the four
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  o'clock Lieutenant answer? I mean people stay, you know, when
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  they need to, whether it's paperwork or whatever. But I've
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  never tracked a captain's body, you know. Question. So your understanding, though,
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  is pretty much that this is redacted would be like
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  the primary answer, oh, yes, question and then he understands,
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  and then Redacted's role and he understands it would be
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  to relay whatever information needed to redacted answer yes, question, Okay,
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  all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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  pick up where we left off. All the information that
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