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The Jesse Ventura They Don't Want You To See Pt. 1: Plum Island (Repost) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 4: Adam Todd Brown. Who are you Hi, I'm Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 3: the things are finally starting to chill out a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they might be starting to chill out. But
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  Speaker 4: once we dig into the subject of today's episode, and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: your life might get a lot more exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, because who knows.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about the Jesse Ventura that the government doesn't
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  Speaker 4: want you to see. Season two of Conspiracy Theory with
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  Speaker 4: Jesse Ventura, it.
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  Speaker 3: Exists, it does, It's there. They didn't just go from
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  Speaker 3: one to three, which would be a move.
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  Speaker 4: It's what the Traveling Willberries did.
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  Speaker 3: They did.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's not an unprecedented move.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great call. I would have never thought to
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  Speaker 1: compare Jesse Ventura to Roy Orbison.
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  Speaker 4: He replaced Roy Orbison and the Traveling Willberries. People don't
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  Speaker 4: know that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean totally.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: He's just as good with a guitar as Roy.
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  Speaker 4: He sure looks good on a motorcycle. But I'm getting
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  Speaker 4: way way ahead. That's yeah, you're interesting thing about the season,
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  Speaker 4: Like we said, you can't find it anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been canceled, like banned, Yeah, banned from TV.
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  Speaker 4: reached out in an effort to help find these episodes.
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  Speaker 4: And we're going to try and get through all of
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  Speaker 4: it before the Feds shut us down.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you would reveal the secret location of
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  Speaker 1: our video files. Adam, what's just a venturer.
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  Speaker 4: They don't want you to see. That's what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: And he's in fine form, get it. He's really getting
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  Speaker 4: to the interesting stuff. This the first The topic he
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  Speaker 4: covers first is one I've always been pretty fascinated with
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  Speaker 4: for sure, which is Plum Island. Had you ever heard
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  Speaker 4: of this before?
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  Speaker 3: Well? I had, Like I've heard about it just in general,
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  Speaker 3: like as an adult, you know, uh, reading about weird
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  Speaker 3: like the you know, these weird conspiracies and shit. But
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  Speaker 3: I've known it for a long time because it's like
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  Speaker 3: a plot point in Silence of the Lambs.
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  Speaker 1: Uh oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: That's the place where like Clarice is trying to like
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  Speaker 3: tempt Lecter with like being able to take vacations at
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  Speaker 3: Plumb Island, and he's like, you think you've you think
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  Speaker 3: you're being clever, But I know that Plum Island actually
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  Speaker 3: is a disease testing center, you know it's and so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've just known about it like passively because of.
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  Speaker 1: That for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: It's very close to New York City. I've heard a
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  Speaker 4: lot of conspiracy stuff about this place before. And I'll
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  Speaker 4: be honest, I don't trust it. I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 4: like that we have an animal testing facility. It's like
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  Speaker 4: a government run animal virus testing facility.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I like, look, I don't trust it inherently
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  Speaker 3: because I don't generally trust government.
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  Speaker 1: Institutions like as a whole.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's tough for me, but also I understand why
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  Speaker 3: we would need a national animal disease testing center. We like,
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  Speaker 3: if something were to happen to you know, a large
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  Speaker 3: portion of our you know, livestock, we would be in
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  Speaker 3: huge trouble.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's an animal where to pass some sort of
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  Speaker 4: pandemic onto people?
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  Speaker 1: Well you no, I mean yeah, what that happened?
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  Speaker 3: I mean sure, But what I mostly mean is that
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  Speaker 3: if like, you know, if all of our cows die,
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  Speaker 3: then there goes milk and there goes you know, fresh
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  Speaker 3: milk and fresh beef like that, and that's like huge.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like that's one thing you rarely get in
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  Speaker 4: these episodes is there's never even just one person to
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  Speaker 4: step in and be like, hey, you ever think of
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  Speaker 4: the food supply chain, right, Like maybe we need to
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  Speaker 4: keep a tab on animal diseases also so we can
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  Speaker 4: all eat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is something we're I mean, we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: it before, We're going to talk about it again throughout
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  Speaker 3: these episodes. But like they've got this skeptic character who
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  Speaker 3: just constantly makes these shittiest skeptic arguments that don't make
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  Speaker 3: any sense when like it would you know, like this,
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  Speaker 3: like it would be a perfect thing for him to
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  Speaker 3: bring up, like perfectly reasonable thing would be, well, there's
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  Speaker 3: a reason for us to have this, And that's not
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  Speaker 3: ever his position. It's always like, well, no, I think
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  Speaker 3: we should just trust the government.
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  Speaker 4: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: We onlyed a question what they say, Do.
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  Speaker 4: You think the government is working on bioweapons somewhere?
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  Speaker 3: I mean probably, but I would like, personally, I would
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  Speaker 3: imagine they're gonna do it off of the mainland. It
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  Speaker 3: would probably not. And I don't mean like Plumb Island
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  Speaker 3: off of the mainland. I mean, like, you know, we've
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  Speaker 3: got all these territories, We've got like military bases all
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  Speaker 3: over the world. You know, I would imagine that we're
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  Speaker 3: probably doing some sort of chemical weapons or biological weapon
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  Speaker 3: research in some place like that. But in I just
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  Speaker 3: feel like in the mainland that's tough. Even the most
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  Speaker 3: dedicated shithead politicians would be like, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: I want that in my state, you know, Like it's
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  Speaker 3: like if we're trying to get through the Senate.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that is a thing that comes up in
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  Speaker 4: this episode, them trying to move Plumb Island to Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: Which makes sense, like that actually like they they you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, they're very suspicious of it, because they're very suspicious
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  Speaker 3: of everything about this facility, because that's the premise of
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  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 1: But like it makes sense for it to be in
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  Speaker 1: Kansas because that's where a bunch of animals are, like
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  Speaker 1: we would be, that would be kind of in the
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the ship as it were. They kind
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  Speaker 1: of got to get it, you have to.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of importing a lot of these I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's obviously livestock in upstate New York, but like they've
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  Speaker 3: got to be chucking these things for a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they do talk about some weird aspects of this place.
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  Speaker 4: Oh for sure. The fact that it was founded by
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  Speaker 4: a Nazi is disturbing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's awful, but like and unfortunately true
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  Speaker 3: of a lot of our agencies, some of which are
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  Speaker 3: like legitimately beneficial, like NASA, like you know, we just
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  Speaker 3: you know, unfortunately, Yeah, that's what our government decided to
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  Speaker 3: do after World War two.
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  Speaker 4: Hard fact of life. We teamed up with the Nazis
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  Speaker 4: after World War two a fight communism. Yep. So this
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  Speaker 4: episode opens with Jesse Ventura and that fucking skeptic. His
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  Speaker 4: name's Alex Piper I believe, yeah, or that's just what
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  Speaker 4: I've named him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just know Alex.
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  Speaker 4: They're on a boat to Plumb Island, and they set
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  Speaker 4: it up like they're being chased by the coast Guard.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a classic conspiracy theory cold open.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he often opens with like, I'm getting rounded
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  Speaker 3: up by the fits because I've asked too many hard
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  Speaker 3: questions and then you get to that part of the
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  Speaker 3: episode and it's always like, yeah, they just kind of
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  Speaker 3: asked him politely to leave.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were just there doing the coast Guard's job
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  Speaker 4: guarding the coast. Things like yeah, of all the government
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  Speaker 4: agencies like the coast Guard, I'm like, they just fucking
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  Speaker 4: deal with water. That's not even we shouldn't be there
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  Speaker 4: in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, I just don't find the coast
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  Speaker 1: Guard threatening. I find them. They have a helpful image.
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  Speaker 1: They're like the sea firefighters to me.
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 4: Right out of the gate, he delivers a real sad
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  Speaker 4: monologue about being chased because he's a governor, he used
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  Speaker 4: to be a governor, and uh, oh man, you can
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  Speaker 4: tell I did these notes with voice dictation software because
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  Speaker 4: there's Yeah, some translation errors.
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  Speaker 1: I did notice that it.
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  Speaker 4: Says I used to be a governor. What are they think?
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  Speaker 4: I am a flocking terrorist? That's not actually Jesse Venture's
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  Speaker 4: quote from the episode. He said, well, like one of
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  Speaker 4: these things, I am I a fucking terrorist?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Might that is a that's gonna be a running theme
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  Speaker 3: at least over the next couple episodes, where he just
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  Speaker 3: is so indignant that as a former government governor and
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  Speaker 3: current TV show host, he is not allowed to go
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  Speaker 3: literally anywhere he wants to go.
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  Speaker 4: And who would want that? There have been some bad
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  Speaker 4: governors in history exactly, you want to give them all
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  Speaker 4: unfettered access to everything in the world.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like, honestly, you're just a like
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  Speaker 1: you're a governor, you run a state.
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  Speaker 2: They declared this Jesse Venture a day here in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty nine, let me in.
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  Speaker 4: He describes being chased as like a raid out of
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  Speaker 4: his Navy front man days. Yeah, only this time he
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  Speaker 4: didn't have a gun or a knife, right, but from
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  Speaker 4: what he'd already found, they wouldn't be much help anyway. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: what were you gonna do? He's gonna get a gunfight
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  Speaker 4: at Plum Island on TV he.
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  Speaker 3: Is gonna shank some coast guards. Yeah, yeah, I love
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  Speaker 3: whenever he brings up his navy days. I'm glad he
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  Speaker 3: was talking about being a frogman and not a seal,
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  Speaker 3: which is more accurate. Still cool, but yeah, but also
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  Speaker 3: comparing what happens in this episode to something that happened
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  Speaker 3: during your frogman days really makes your frogman days seem
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  Speaker 3: not that dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of undermines the machoness of that brag.
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  Speaker 2: I know a thing or two about being lightly followed
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  Speaker 2: by the coast guard, and he never really elaborates on
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  Speaker 2: the guns.
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  Speaker 4: Wouldn't help much anyway, because then we just cut to
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  Speaker 4: oh for sure. The first person he talks to, who's
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  Speaker 4: Kenneth King, an expert on biowarfare. He talks about how
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  Speaker 4: there are thirteen hundred and fifty six germ containment facilities
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  Speaker 4: around the country and if there are accidents happening regularly.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing about that number, I'd rather there be
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  Speaker 4: more than less, because if he was like, listen, there
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  Speaker 4: are two germ containment units for the entire country, I'd
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  Speaker 4: be like, fuck, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's that doesn't seem like enough. I mean, like again,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to take the government side. That is
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  Speaker 3: not something that I'm trying to do. But like I
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  Speaker 3: think the last couple of years have shown that we
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  Speaker 3: need facilities in our country to study these things like
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  Speaker 3: they're they're important to know about.
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  Speaker 1: They're not like you have there.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone in this episode is constantly take immediately leaping to
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  Speaker 3: the most negative possible assumption about what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: And I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I get that, and I'm not saying there's not.
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  Speaker 3: Anything nefarious happening with regards to this stuff, but like
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's also rational explanations.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and what they're getting into in this part is
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  Speaker 4: a little timely because he's basically talking about a lab leak,
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  Speaker 4: which the lab leak theory when it comes to COVID
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  Speaker 4: is not a popular one, but it's one that exists. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It well, it's tough because it's so loaded.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on what version you're talking about. If
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about the Chinese government created COVID in a
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  Speaker 4: lab and then unleashed it on the world, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think so. But yes, of course it's possible for someone
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  Speaker 4: to work in a lab like this and accidentally spread
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  Speaker 4: something to the outside I mean, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, but also lots of things are possible, Like you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just that's just a huge leap to make from
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  Speaker 3: outbreak to bioweapon.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, and with they're not necessarily saying the government's
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  Speaker 4: making bio weapons, but they do hint at it a
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  Speaker 4: whole lot, and uh, that's mostly what they're focusing on,
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  Speaker 4: is the chances that something like this or that one
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  Speaker 4: of these facilities something could escape and make a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people sick. But you're just kind of rolling the
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  Speaker 4: dice on life in general, like that could happen with
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  Speaker 4: so many things, I mean for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And again like there's no other way to develop
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  Speaker 3: things ways to combat these viruses and different kinds of
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  Speaker 3: infections than studying the germs and like the viruses and
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  Speaker 3: the bacteria that cause those infections, Like that's the only
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  Speaker 3: way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Really, you can't do it without them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of those things where you got a weigh
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  Speaker 4: the risks against the benefits, right, Like, yes, there's some risk,
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  Speaker 4: but the benefits of knowing how these things work, should
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  Speaker 4: they get out at some point, are obviously gonna outweigh
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  Speaker 4: those risks well.
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  Speaker 3: And also, you know, if you think about, like what
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  Speaker 3: is in the government's best interest, and you know, even
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  Speaker 3: just on a financial level, like the pandemic has been
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  Speaker 3: disastrous for our country's economy, and so they're going to
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  Speaker 3: have If we do have these facilities that are studying
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  Speaker 3: you know, viruses and you know, these different kinds of things,
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  Speaker 3: the security on these things is gonna be insanely tight
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  Speaker 3: because the government in charge doesn't want an outbreak because
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  Speaker 3: it would cost a shit ton of money and like
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  Speaker 3: be hugely damaging to whoever's in like to the president's reputation,
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  Speaker 3: like and everybody involved.
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  Speaker 1: It would just it just doesn't make any sense for
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  Speaker 1: it to be any other way.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. That that's a running theme with this series in general.
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  Speaker 4: That frustrates me is it always comes back to, well,
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  Speaker 4: why want the government let us in to see what's
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  Speaker 4: going on? It's Liker, and that's not how government works,
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  Speaker 4: I mean for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with this Plumb Island thing, when every time
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  Speaker 3: he kept being like, I just want to I just
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  Speaker 3: want to go in and see what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I just need to know what's going on. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, what do you know about disease?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Control what you know?
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  Speaker 3: About it. How would you be able to tell what's
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  Speaker 3: happening in a lab like this? And also if you
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  Speaker 3: think that they're developing these things, why would you want
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  Speaker 3: to go into there? Yeah, like it's if it's that dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, imagine if you were fighting to get in this
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  Speaker 4: place and they keep saying no and keep saying no,
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  Speaker 4: and then suddenly they're like, all right, come in. I
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  Speaker 4: feel like at that point I'd be like, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: it's going on.
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  Speaker 3: I actually changed my mind. I'm sorry, you're not putting
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  Speaker 3: me in that room, Like I mean seriously though.
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  Speaker 4: So the next thing that happens in this episode, it's
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  Speaker 4: time for a patented team meeting. Yes, they have these
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  Speaker 4: all throughout the episode. Sometimes they kick off the episode.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes Yeah, Jesse's just in a Starbucks and someone walks
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  Speaker 4: up and slides a paper across the table and he
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  Speaker 4: brings that back to the team meeting. In this meeting,
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  Speaker 4: they're talking about the mon talk Monster. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to completely shoot this down, but like
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  Speaker 3: if you've ever seen like biologists have like done composites
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  Speaker 3: of a raccoon, an image of a raccoon like over
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  Speaker 3: the image of the montalk monster and it's like one
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  Speaker 3: to one, and you know, I just kind of know
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  Speaker 3: what dead animals look like and.
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  Speaker 1: I know it, but like it just looks like a
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  Speaker 1: dead animal, you know, Like, why.
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  Speaker 4: Won't you help me look at your dead animals?
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  Speaker 3: I Like, again, I don't want to be like a
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  Speaker 3: total downer, but I don't know, I just can't go there.
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  Speaker 3: On the on the Montalk Monster, that's just one where
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is just so obviously a raccoon.
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  Speaker 4: Well, my question and with the mon Talk monster, because
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  Speaker 4: the argument people make is well, that escaped from Plum
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  Speaker 4: Island where they're testing animals. What would they be making
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  Speaker 4: that for?
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  Speaker 3: What? Also also this like this is why it's weird
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  Speaker 3: that they brought it up in this episode because they've
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  Speaker 3: the entire rest of the episode is about bioweapons basically,
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  Speaker 3: and then they have this Montague monster thing, which is
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  Speaker 3: about like genetic engineering or something, and like that's just
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  Speaker 3: a totally different conspiracy theory, Like it doesn't really connect
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  Speaker 3: to the bioweapon aspect except that it involves animals.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a confusing tangent, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 4: That thing does look creepy when it's weird. I mean
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  Speaker 4: dead animals are freaking freaky. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 4: Like I just I just can't go there on them.
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  Speaker 4: And I love that cryptozoology stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's cool, like, but the Montalk monster is
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  Speaker 3: just it's a dead animal and it's been rolling around
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  Speaker 3: in the surf. It's got all it's for, you know,
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  Speaker 3: stripped off, and it's got the a skull with like
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  Speaker 3: missing teeth and a broken nose, and it looks like
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  Speaker 3: it's got the raccoon shacks, like it's got the little
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: puffy butt and puffy but.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: It's got the little puffy butt, but like not as
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: cute because it's been decomposing in the ocean.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: They send June sarpalm to Kansas, and I'm not sure why. Yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: what's she gonna do stop? Like this isn't the XL pipeline,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: and even if it was, you're not enough protesters to
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: stop it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like June is kind of like the field trip person.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Really, She's the one who always kind of goes to
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: like you know, meet someone or or you know, do
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: some sort of trip to places being discussed to investigate.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And I think they just needed her to do something,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and so they sent her out there.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Jesse and Alex get on a plane to head
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: to plumb Eyeland, which was confusing because it seemed like
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: they just drove there, but or they were on a
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: boat at one point. I don't know why we even
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: needed to know about the plane. Alex the Skeptic goes
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: to the beach to talk to a guy about the
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: mon Talk monster, Nicholas cut Naro. He's a local and
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: he said he's the first one who reported on the
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: mon Talk monster on his website and he thinks it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: a hybrid animal of some sort. But he also says
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: another one on shore.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a manimal if you will, right, yeah, which again,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: for what exactly, what's the purpose of that, just for
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: funds for kicks and shit.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: The giggles like, I don't understand.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: We've got hybrid animals and they can't even cure cancer.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yet they're making bio weapons out of hybrid animals. They're
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: infecting the hybrids with hoof and mouth disease.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Jesse Ventura is talking to Carl Grossman, a professor
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: and investigative journalist, and this is who brings up the
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: fact that plumb Island was started after World War Two
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: by a former Nazi named Eric Traube, and he was
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: brought here under Operation paper Clips. So that's cool.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's super dope. Love history.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: And his idea for Plumb Island was that he would
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: be able to weaponize bugs basically. And here's the thing.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen Wormwood? Did you watch the Wormwood document?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: No? No, we've talked about I do need to watch that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: That's one that's been on my list for too long.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: One of the theories that comes up in Wormwood is
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: that we used biological weapons in Korea, and the type
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: of weapons we used were bombs that when they hit
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: the ground instead of exploding, they just kind of broke
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: open and released weaponized bugs into the area to introduce
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: diseases to the area. Yeah, so I don't completely doubt that, No, I.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Mean, that would be an efficient way to spread a
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: weaponize disease, Like that's just you know, that's how the
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Bubonic League spread. So it makes sense that that would
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: be something under consideration.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: But they don't really stay on that for long. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe Jesse Venture has never heard that conspiracy maybe,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: but like the CIA did throw a guy out a
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: window to keep it quiet.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: We know that, right, Yeah, And they said that the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: overdose sun LSD or so.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: They said they they claimed they gave him too much
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: LSD and it drove him crazy and he jumped out
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: a window. And you know, when the CIA has taken
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: responsibility for something like that, something much much worse actually happened.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I think the reason why they don't spend much time
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: on the flea thing is that they don't really spend
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: too much time on any one detail of this.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: It's kind of scattershot. It's probably my big biggest problem
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: with the episode is it just kind of jumps all
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: over the place.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the problem with a series like this in general.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Like when you're getting into area fifty one, Yeah, which
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: they do on the next episode, there's so much to
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: talk about and it's like, really, you're going to knock
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: us out in forty minutes. It's gonna be interesting. So
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Carl Grossman is very worried about al Qaeda striking Plumb
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Island and I am not, and I never was.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm yeah now is well, I guess that you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: twenty ten or whenever this was made, is I guess
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: a slightly more relevant time to be worried about al Qaeda.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Now that's two years into Obama, I think he and
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I then most most people were like all right, there's yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: they're not like I was.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: The freid of al Qaeda like the day after nine
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: to eleven, Like I just like I was like fourteen
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: years old, and I was like, this is a one
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: and done, right, this seems like they probably shot their
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: wat on this.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: This is huge. Yeah, nothing else is really gonna impress
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: after finally exactly.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, like we had like the fucking anthrac shit,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: which turned out to like everything we've had since then
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: has been domestic rorism. Yeah, it's been every major incident
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: since nine eleven. So yeah, I am not personally afraid
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of al Qaeda or ISIS or whoever's the big one
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: now attacking Home Islands.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The anthrax attacks are a very sad and interesting story.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: It's like another Richard Jewel story basically a little bit, yeah,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: because they identify the suspect and name him publicly and
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: then just kind of harass him until he finally kills himself,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I believe, and then almost as soon as he died,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: they're like, oh are bad. It's actually this other guy.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: We think, whoopsie, that's their official like that was their
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: press release. It was just like, so sorry, the office
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: of the FBI.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Whoops a little shrug emojis. Did we have those back then?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I think I don't think so, but they just did,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: like the written out one with like the slashes.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: So next they get into the tick theory. Right, this
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: is a theory. It's been around quite a while, it
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: has this is one that this is an example of
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: what you were talking about, where you're really getting into
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: a complex theory with this tick thing. To just gloss
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: over it in the course of this episode is bad planning,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: if nothing else, because this should be its own episode.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: It's very strange theory, which it's kind of the same thing,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: which is that in this case, lime disease escaped from
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a facility I believe, Plumb Island and made its way
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: to Connecticut and then spread to the rest of the world. Yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: and I spent a lot of back and forth on
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: this theory over the years.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest fourth and probably the reason why
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: they're not gonna they wouldn't do a full episode on it,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: is that, like there were reported cases of lime disease
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: before like this was before Plumb Island existed. Yeah, there's that,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: but also the way technicality, but the way it popped
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: up in the region when it did and how it
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: did there's like yeah, I mean obviously there's that contention,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: but there are I think we've done an episode on it,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: but there are answers to that contention also, Like sure,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if something like it's a thing
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: that can happen, like things can state, I mean facilities
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's true.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: And again I'm not going to say that, you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: when it comes to the government doing heinous things that
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: anything basically is off the table. But I like, for me,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: like just the fact that Plumb Island didn't even exist
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: when the first cases of lime disease were documented is
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: just that's just kind of an open and shut thing
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's that's a tough one to overcome.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Well, what if they were studying lime disease in that facility,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: what if they had been able to get access to
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: lime disease, which yeah, there had been cases of.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: It before, right, so they're studying it, and so you're saying, like.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: That's why it goes from a thing that existed to
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: being in a concentrated out in one area.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: And that's that's a fine like that, I understand how
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: that could happen, but that's not really the theory that
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: this show positive like posits or that the biggest theory is,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and the theory that most people say about line disease
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: with Plumb Island is that they created line disease at
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Plumb Island. That's like what this guy's saying and what
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the major theory is, and that is just it can't
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: be true, right that. I mean, yeah, but those are
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: two different theories. No, something I've escaped and that something
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: was intentionally released as a bio weapon.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Those that's two different things.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Oh no, totally I agree, But I just I'm at
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: least what I understood from from what this guy was
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: saying is he's he's of the camp that believes that
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: it was created there, and that's kind of what they're implying. Yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: with a lot of this, and I just that it
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: can't be true.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I wouldn't be inclined to believe that, but
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I do believe if it's something that escaped the government
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: would have a very vested interest in covering that up
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: because they absolutely for the financial liability if nothing else.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean that, Yeah, that's what we were
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Lime disease almost broke up Hall and Oates, how seesus
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the federal government encroach on our rights like that?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that alone would have caused a fucking riot in
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: The cost of the economy come on exactly exactly. It's
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: in the world, I mean, and and look and lime
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: disease is fucking horrific. And you know again, I wouldn't
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: be like, that's also a disease that you would probably study,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: like an animal disease. Yeah, center, that makes sense, Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: because ticks are gonna, I think, can contract the form
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: of it, right, like probably so.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: They also get into suggesting that there are human experiments
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: happening roy Plum Island. And it's on account of how
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: this body washed ashore and it had weird elongated fingers, right,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: and there are newspapers articles out there about this body
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: washing up. But I don't know people there's there was
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: a lobster boy was a real boy, right, and he
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: was a man who got murdered by his wife in
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: a murder for higher plot after she left him, married
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: the world's Smallest man and then divorced him and went
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: back to Lobster Boy. That's all true? Wow?
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean the world is a strange and
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: wondrous place, and that all happened at Plumb Island exactly. Yes,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Lobster Boy born at Plum Island.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: But like you know, again, we're talking about a dead
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: potty that's been rolling around in the ocean for a while.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: It's probably gonna look pretty fucking weird. I think any
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: of us would look pretty fucking weird.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Next, they do a thing, a really signature thing of
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: this series in general, where they go to get answers
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: from someone who you should know ahead of time is
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: not going to be in a position to give you answers.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: And in this case, Alex, the skeptic, heads to a
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: local police department to ask about the mon Talk monster.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: And it's like, man, if that was a real animal
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: hybrid that escaped from a government lab, these cops have
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: been hit with that men in black flashing thing a
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: time ago.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: You think the mon Talk police department like their biggest
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: struggle is dealing with like some drunk millionaire. It's like
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: causing a riot at Cracker Barrel. Like, they just aren't
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like gonna be a real big help in
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: this situation.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not gonna be in a position to jeopardize that,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that's for surely. So then they go talk to Randy Sykes,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: who contracted lime disease fifteen years ago. He believes it
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: was created by the government and that they were doing
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: it to create a weapon, and he says he found
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: the smoking gun, which is a document showing that the
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: FEDS are working on biowarfare agents at Plumb Island and
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: that lime disease is one of them. Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I it's terrible that this guy had
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: lime disease. It's really, like I said, that's a vicious,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: vicious disease. And it's understandable that when you have something
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: that's that debilitating you want answers like this.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Is something we run.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: You know. The first episode that we talked about of
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: this show was nine to eleven and they had oh
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I forgot, they had a woman who was like the
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: mother of one of the nine to eleven victims, And
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, I understand how someone in that position
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: might turn to some sort of theory that can give
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: closure to them. But like I said, I mean, like
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: this document, where did this document come from? Like, how
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: do we know that it's real?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: That's the thing. Whenever they talk to anyone like this
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: on this show, it's like, well, where did Randy get that? Right,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: he's with all the journalists and investigative reporters and whatever
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: in the world intelligence agencies. How did Randy get it?
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Because we talk about this documentary all the time called
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Mirage Men, which is about a guy whose job it
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: was when someone would find evidence of an actual thing
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: the government was working on, like a top secret project,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: he would go out to them and give them additional
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: evidence that was fake, so then they would go publish that,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: and then the government could just be like, no, this
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: is very demonstrably false. This person's crazy. Don't pay attention
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: to anything they're saying. Again, if lime disease just accidentally leaked,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: as opposed to being a weapon the government created, they're
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: gonna have a whole lot of liability if that comes
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: out right. And one thing we know the government does
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: is they will send you on a whole other trail
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: that's not going to be provable in order to hide
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: that actual truth, and for sure I would be suspicious
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: that that might be what's happening here.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I mean possibly, But also, like, so, who's Randy other
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: than a guy who had line diseas.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: That's That's what I'm saying, though, is they if he
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: had been pushing this theory that lime disease is a weapon,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: someone could have just come to him and been like, a,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: r yep, here's your proof. Yeah, I should go public
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: with that. And then now his whole focus is this
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: is a weapon as opposed to oh no it wasn't.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: But the government's respond for sure well.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Like and and and just in general though like and
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: this is a problem with with the show is I
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: don't understand like Randy's influence, like how how wide his
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: influence is. I don't know how well known he is
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: in any community, like any conspiracy community or you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: the local community or anything. And so I also he
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: might just be saying whatever, and he's like the person
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: with lanme disease who believes in this stuff, who was
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: willing to talk to them, or I mean, but I
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: don't know, like it, he might not have even been
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: well known enough to have gotten a visit by the
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: mirage you know, like that isn't even necessary, Like he
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: could just be a guy who made up this document.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the possibilities are endless.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Andy's Sykes, Yeah, I looked it up.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: There's not much out there about him. Yeah, I don't
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: doubt that he's like probably some kind of activist when
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: it comes to stuff like this. But but what I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: getting at is that is the kind of person the
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: government would target with absolutely misinformation and be like, yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: you got your audience, go run with this stupid theory
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: as opposed to what we don't want you to know. No, totally,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and I agree with that, but and it's it's for
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: the same reason, like, who the fuck's Randy? How's he
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: gonna get his hands on shit like this?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: So, now Jesse and Alex the Skeptic are getting on
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: that boat so they can head to Plumb Island. The
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: boat's called the Coyote. That's that's cute.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: But then they get on the boat and the captain
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: refuses to take him because police and Homeland security start
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: showing up right as they were about to pull off.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: They're one step ahead of me at all times, and for.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Some reason, they cut away from that so we can
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: go so June Sarpong can talk to some fucking guy. Yeah, Kansas.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, this episode is oh scattershot, and.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: He's he's very worried about hoof and mouth disease, which
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: was super duper in the news in twenty ten, but
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: to twenty twenty one, and I feel like those fears
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: were a little unfounded for sure.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, this is an awful disease that I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: would hate.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: To have, like human to get it. I don't think
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: humans can get it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Can they put in? I believe so.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I believe there's foot in mouth disease is the but
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I could be totally wrong. But also like in like
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I was saying at the top of the show, like
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the even if it's just something to affix cows in livestock,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: like that could be a huge crisis. But yeah, no, yeah, kids,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: people can get it. Yeah, you can get It's it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: not as bad as in as in animals, but but yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: like if something were to happen to that, we would
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: be fucked.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: The editing in this section is maddening. They just keep
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: cutting back and forth between Jesse Ventura and June Sarpong.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: They're completely different parts of the country, talking about completely
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: different shit snouts back to alex and they finally found
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: a captain willing to take him to Plumb Island. A
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: real renegade. He's got a skull and crossbones flag on
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: his boat. He's a pirate essentially.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: He's accompanied by a former Plumb Island employee named Jim McCoy,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: who alleges he was fired after threatening to blow the
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: whistle on what they were doing there. And uh, this
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: is where we learned the boat chase was a lot
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: less dramatic than they made it out to be.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: It wasn't so much a chase as it was like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: two boats.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Passing in the Yeah, just two boats going out to
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: do their respective jobs. The coast guard. Yeah, they just
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: followed them for a little bit, didn't stop them. Jesse
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Venture at one point gets on the edge of the
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: boat and starts shouting at him.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: That is just his vibe, like that is it feels
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: like he could start doing that at the drop of
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: a hat. And basically in these situation And I.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Don't wish government assassination on anyone, but God, that would
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: have been a funny time for it. Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem with government assassins is they don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: have any comedic timing exactly like they shot Kennedy while
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: he's in a car.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, next because next to his wife have some respect?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you could.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: There's so many funnier moments to kill JFK. Like how
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: about while he's banging Marylyn Row right? Uh?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Anyway, anyway, moving on, so Jim McCoy. He says he
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: interrupted a meeting at the Administration building while working at
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Plumb Island, and it sounds like maybe that's why he
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: got fired for crashing this meeting as opposed to asking
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: you know, he asked about security and monitoring inside the
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: bio containment area. So it sounds like he just kicked
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: in the door of this meeting and it was like
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I have questions. Yeah, I feel like it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Basically any workplace, if you barged in on a managerial
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: meeting and we're like, look, I have some very serious
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: concern about the security at this movie theater, they would
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: fucking fire you.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna be like, HR will address them, thank you.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: But he says that for for bringing all this, all
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: these questions up, he was fired. Huh, but who knows? Yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: and then there's so many people on.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Here who are who just say shit and then provide
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: no evidence, and then you're just like, who knows, I
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big part of this series in general.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: So Coastguard shows up again, so they decide they need
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: to leave. He's very mad that as a former governor,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: he's not allowed access to Plumb Island. As we discussed,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: how come we the people aren't the boss anymore.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: We're the ones paying salaries of these people, and they
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: deprive us of letting us know what they do on
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: this island.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And you know what, He's right, They should just let
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: anyone into the war room. They should just you should
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: just have like a velvet road that you can stand
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: behind and watch the top secret meetings.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: You couldn't go to Buffalo Wild Wings headquarters and do that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: That is so true.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: There's basically no like there's security at every corporate headquarters,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: every building, every major skyscraper has fucking security.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And here's how I know that because I have a
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: friend in Clint, who was absolutely obsessed with Buffalo Wild Wings.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: He would go multiple times a week. He would buy
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: like hundreds of dollars in gift cards around Christmas because
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: if you bought like twenty five dollars worth, you got
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: a five dollars gift card. So it was like just
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: free money. He could spend at Buffalo Wild Wings And
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: at one point they're headquarters is in Minneapolis, and at
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: one point he called them and was like, look, I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: an investor, which he is. He was like, I love
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the store. What do you say? I get like a
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: tour of the headquarters and like the test kitchen and
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. They were like absolutely not. Who do
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: you think you are?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: That's extremely funny.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I So if Clint can't get into B dubs HQ,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Jesse Venture is not getting into Plumb Island.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Nobody could get into Willy Wonka's chocolate factory for decades
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: after he closed the gates exactly.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: No one went in or out. You gotta have that
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: bioweapon ticket to get into.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Plumb Island, Yeah, the radioactive ticket.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: So they Jesse Ventura goes to ask some questions. He
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: loves talking to a congressman.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're accessible, Like congressman got time.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's gonna be another one. In the next episode, Yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: he goes and talks to Congressman Timothy Bishop. He brings
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: up all this stuff about Plumb Island, like the Nazi thing.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: That's great, But what's Timothy Bishop gonna do? Like he yeah,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: he doesn't. He doesn't have any answers. Like he says,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: he trusts what the government tells him. It's like, oh,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: which does which?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Fucking pissed Jesse off. He repeated that line.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: He repeats that line five This is the very end
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: of the episode, and at least five more times after this.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: He says, but I guess I'm just not the type
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to believe whatever the government tells me. Like that really
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: got under his skin. He was all over that one.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I did edit an older episode of this podcast recently.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I think you were on it. Danger Van Gorder was
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: on it, and I think Rivers Langley. At one point,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Danger said he's pretty sure we know everything bad the
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: government has done because of the Freedom of Information Act
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: request and the room exploded. Everyone was like, what the
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: fuck are you talking about? You think we know everything
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: because of the Freedom of Information Actress? Oh my god.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: And here's the thing about Dan. He has a run
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: for office a couple of times, so take a job
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: to be like, yeah, man, government works exactly like they
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: say it does exactly. Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I was on that episode, but
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I you are definitely jumped to a bunch of retorts
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: As soon as you said that, it's like, wait a minute,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: what we know everything? There's like a fifty year like
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: gap onoy. You gotta like have a bunch of time.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, they talk about Plumb Island some more. With
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: this congressman, he just talks to more people. I don't
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: know nothing, Yeah, nothing really happens.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: After he goes to the congressman.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: That's basically it like he talks to like one or
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: two more people about the same shit and just keeps repeating.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe some people would believe what the government
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: tells them, but I'm going to keep asking questions.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I love that the last line is, uh, if you
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: have a pet, make sure to check it for tics.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That's just good advice. You could, like Bob Barker the
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: end of every.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Episode with that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I was just about to say, it's just like Bob
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Barker telling you is Spey and Dooder.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Nine eleven was an inside job. Check your pets for ticks?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that should just be his regular sign off.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: That would be great. That's gonna be the sign off
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: of this podcast from now. Oh yeah yeah, check your
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: pets for ticks everybody. So that's the end of the episode.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Jesse Venture is very angry. Yeah, uh, Plumb Island. I
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: don't know. Yeah, I don't doubt that we're working on
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: bio weapons somewhere. Maybe it's at Plumb Island, maybe it's not.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I really don't think off the coast
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: of like the Hamptons is gonna be a place where
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: they put a bio weapons facility because there's a lot
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: of rich people, and rich people will fucking destroy the
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: government if they can.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be a risky place to put it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: We would almost certainly put it in another.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Country, That's what I'm saying.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: It's probably in one of those Pacific islands that we
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: send all the spam to, yeah, or it's.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, or it's probably fucking Guantanamo, like you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying that the government isn't doing awful shit,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: but Home Island, you know, we do need places to
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: study animal diseases.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: It's an important field of work.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And if all that's ever washed ashore is lime disease
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: and a weird looking raccoon, Kevin, how long it's been there,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: that's not bad.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I mean, oh, there is one thing.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: The one thing we didn't talk about is that, like
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: some I can't remember which guy tells a story about
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a cow breaking loose from the facility, Yeah, and infecting
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: all of the other cows in the pin and so
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: they had to kill all of the cows. And they
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: make it sound like this is like horrific, like this
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: is like, you know, government corruption gone. While I'm like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: that's what literally any form would do. You can't keep
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: them alive.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am. When they said that, I was like,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I imagine that happens all the time. Exactly. If one
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: cow makes a bunch of cows sick, then right, that's
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: a good way to spread it. You're gonna kill them anyway.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Right, There's there's not really any other way to handle
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: that situation, honestly, Like, you know, it's unfortunate but true.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: You handle it with a well thought out campaign of
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: awareness on social media.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, tell the cows to wash their hands.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: And.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: So that's the episode next week I think I'm doing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I'm going to finish out the I've been doing some
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: solo episodes about a book called the CIA and the
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Cult of Intelligence, because I'm not going to ask people
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: to read a whole fucking book. And then we will
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: continue this series after that with part two Area fifty one,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: which how did that not come up on season one?
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: That's such a big one.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Seriously that that's wild. They must have been like, we'll
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: wait till we have a bigger budget in the SEC
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: season so.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: They can storm Area fifty one exactly. I'm surprised that
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: exact phrase isn't used at all in that episode.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, Jesse venturin Naruto runs into the area
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: fifty one.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: So until then, do we have anything to plug Olivia?
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: How about it?
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at high there Hidar
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: if you would like to other than that, not not particularly.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Patreon, dot com, slash on Pops on Pops networked out,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Supercast dot tech. You can subscribe for bonus episodes there also,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck out
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: of here, Olivia, say goodbye, bye, goodbye. Everybody, We love you.
• 47:00
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• 47:02
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