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Week 11 News & Updates + Would You Rathers | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  But what about Bow Bangor Management Fantasy Hockey
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  podcast Whoa whoa, Korean woo? Woo, I don't know where we're
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  gonna go with that, but yeah, I agree.
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  Korean woofer Jakey but the welcoming everybody to Bangor
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  management. The fantasy hockey podcast with
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  Kevin, me and Josh me other side of the screen.
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  Yeah, him. And be funny if the video like
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  sometimes it puts us on the opposite side know.
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  I'll try to fix it and make sure that we're pointing the right
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  direction. But yeah, only two hosts today.
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  If you listen to the previous episodes, you know that Jake is
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  pursuing a karaoke career and sulk South Korea, so we'll give
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  you guys updates on how that's going.
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  But for now, it's not working out for him, so he'll probably
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  be back in a few weeks. He's always still holding out
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  hope for. That I hope or tried to vote or
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  not letting me. But today we are covering the
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  week 11 news and updates from around the NHL and also covering
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  the famous would you rathers to end the podcast.
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  So they are gonna listen to the end.
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  You're not gonna wanna miss it. We got some spicy picks today.
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  Josh peaked on one of them. I didn't peek.
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  I've never peaked. I never will peak.
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  I haven't even begun to peak. Group no, he didn't pick, but he
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  he he was able to snipe which which duo I was going to pick.
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  So we already had a brief discussion, but we were saving
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  our thoughts for the rest of the podcast.
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  It's not gonna be the same as only two for the would you
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  rather is because of you. Thank you take but neither of us
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  are feel like are good at that so.
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  We just have to pull up everyone's junior numbers and
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  that'll be Jake's take. That will be Jake's take, but
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  OK, wait, we got some big things to cover today.
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  So I guess, listen, let's just get right into.
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  It. Yeah, let's get into it.
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  And we're going to spend I think the most time on this first one
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  and then the second one as well. And then we'll kind of zoom
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  through a lot of the other ones. But first, big news of the week.
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  I know we're a few days late, but that's just because that's
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  our recording schedule and nothing, nothing can be done,
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  fortunately. We mentioned already a little
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  bit. Though we didn't mention it on
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  another episode, but it belongs on the news episode because it's
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  news. Right before getting into it,
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  though, like I've been I've been going to war in the comments of
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  our latest TikTok because we we posted a tick tock of it was a
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  brief clip about us commenting on you know, we're going to get
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  into it. But like the Jerry and the
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  Skinner trade and I'm everybody apparently is the biggest Jerry
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  fan and they think he's the next coming to Stuart Skinner was the
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  worst goalie in the league. And basically we'll go more into
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  it after, but I'm like these two guys are basically the same,
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  just ones older and more injury prone.
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  And why are you giving up A and why are you giving up a goal
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  that's paid half as much a second round pick plus a player
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  to make up for the cap difference to make a lateral
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  move. Pretty much.
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  That's basically our take. Like not saying Stuart Skinner
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  is the. Best goal in the world?
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  Get it? You're skipping ahead of the
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  real big news, but I know you're battling it out and tick tock
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  comment sections. People are just like, you guys
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  don't know anything or like this is the worst thing I've ever
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  seen. And I'm just like, guys like,
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  are we watching the same players?
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  Like do we not all these guys are This guy was waved last
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  year. But anyway.
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  It's so funny when like we get some like comments like that,
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  like like, you know, see, like I was listening to your podcast
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  and just listening to 5 minutes and realize you guys know
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  nothing about puck or something that you know, And I'm like, I
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  know this is a ridiculous comment, but it still hurts my
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  feelings. Those are my feelings.
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  Like I do actually watch the games and I think I know what
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  I'm talking about. But yeah, the last that's,
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  that's my little segue into making sure you guys first of
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  looking at and give us a like as well.
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  If if you like what you hear. So let's get let's get right
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  into the news now, because I'm big trace to talk.
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  About dying, even like, even like.
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  I know I. Know I want to say like blue
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  ball in me here, but I just want to get into it already, OK.
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  Quinn, short for Quinta for Hughes, was traded to Minnesota
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  for Zeboim, Marco Rossi, Liam Ogren and a first round pick.
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  Minnesota is like the, you know, like that meme of like the WWE
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  guy comes out of nowhere with like the chair and just like,
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  you know, that's Minnesota. Or something.
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  We finally get to roast me for that because I have no idea.
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  We've got like, you know, New Jersey and Detroit, like, you
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  know, in the ring and whatever. And then I don't know where
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  Minnesota comes and it's like, yeah, no, it's a this is an
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  absolutely insane trade. The timing is insane.
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  Again, trade deadline is closed so fast.
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  Yeah, this came out of nowhere, really.
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  And I think it has huge, huge fantasy ramifications.
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  So let's let's try and take it person by person that it could
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  possibly affect. Let's start with the end of the.
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  1st Is this a good trade? Is this a good trade before we
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  get into the deep dive? OK.
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  I think looking at it from Cooper's perspective, they knew
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  Hughes wasn't resigning. They knew that his value would
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  only go lower because the closer they get to him being a free
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  agent. And if word got out that he was
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  for sure not resigning, they'd have no leverage.
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  So they had to make a trade now. It's never resigning like he
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  was, just exactly like in the recent months that is just like
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  he's for sure not coming back. Like they knew for a fact and
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  then you kind of have that, you know, it never feels good to be
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  trading the best player in a trade, especially when it's like
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  a superstar player like this, but with the background that
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  they had no choice. I think they had they got a
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  great return for someone who was leaving anyways.
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  So look, if you look at it pure value wise, I still think Quinn
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  Hughes is just too good to, you know, be traded, but with the
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  situation they were in, I think they made the most out of it
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  from Minnesota side. I love it as well because they
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  got the best player in the trade by far.
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  They gave up Rossi, who they didn't want Ogren's kind of a
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  first round bus so far a first round pick, but you got to give
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  up, you know, picks to to get a guy like Hughes.
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  I think Boyum obviously is the biggest piece that they're
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  losing, but with kind of like their cup timeline that they're
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  looking at and how they just cutting trees off like they're
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  they're all in. So why not go all in UR and try
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  and compete with the, you know, Dallas and Colorado and their
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  division? Yep, and I I saw that, you know,
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  obviously William is like a big piece and he's a top prospect
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  that was already coming to the NHL and everything, which is
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  nice. But the reason why Minnesota was
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  able to pull this off so fast apparently is because no other
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  team even came close to offering a similar package.
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  And because the other teams apparently just did not feel
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  comfortable sending a package of this magnitude for a player that
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  they had no guarantees would resign with them when the next
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  two years are up in the contract takes expired.
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  So I totally get it. It could be literally.
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  It's definitely a lot of future assets and mortgage for a
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  rental, But if it gets you a cup, then you're happy.
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  You know what I mean? And you're still getting the
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  you're still getting the best player by far.
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  It really made me think of like, remember when Jack Eichel got
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  traded and like they got it was like Crebs plus Tuck plus the
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  first rounder plus whatever. We were just like, Oh my God,
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  it's like it's a hall. And then you look back at it and
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  just like the first round, there was nothing.
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  Krebs is nothing. And Tuck is like a slightly
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  above average winger that they're they might not even pay
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  and they're going to trade. Meanwhile, Vegas got a cup with
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  Jack Eichel, and he's the main piece of their team for the next
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  decade, it feels like. 100% I mean, it's kind of like in
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  fantasy, right? It's like the team getting the
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  best player usually wins the trade, you know, every time.
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  It's like the consolidating, like always take the, you know,
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  it's it's similar to real life. You want?
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  Yeah. Especially when it's guys of
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  this magnitude that are like All-Star superstar players,
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  Like, you know what you're getting and you know, it's a
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  high level. Whereas, yeah, it might be nice
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  if you know, all these three guys, boom, Rossi and the first
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  round pick end up being studs, like you'll be really happy
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  about that. There's just so much ambiguity
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  and with the picks, it just feels like almost none of them
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  pan out. So unless they're a top five
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  pick and whatever. Like, obviously there's always
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  great picks that happen throughout the draft and even
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  later in the drafts, but it's just the probability when you
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  can have Quinn Hughes is just nuts.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it could be anything.
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  It could even be Quinn Hughes, you know?
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  Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
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  One thing to note is I did watch his postgame or post trade
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  presser and I think that there's a solid chance free science and
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  Minnesota. I think that I know everyone
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  just. Expecting to make decision
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  though. No, he doesn't have to make a
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  decision and I know everyone kind of expects him to just go
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  to New Jersey to play with his brothers.
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  And I think that's totally reasonable.
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  Either New Jersey or he has a home in Michigan.
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  That's why people are expecting Detroit as well.
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  But I think that first of all, he's a competitor, right?
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  He really just wants to win. So if Minnesota like the next
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  like year and a half while he's with them, if they can be really
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  competitive, which they should be with the team they have built
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  so far, then I think that was that could definitely sway him.
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  And then also I think he's the type of guy like, I mean, like
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  this is pretty much his words, not mine.
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  So when I say I think he's the type of guy, he's kind of
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  saying, um, he like takes into account, he's like, I won't
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  forget the package that that was sent for me.
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  You know, he's like Bill Garian, like stepped up.
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  He had the balls to do it. You know, if another team wanted
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  me, they could have offered a similar package, but they
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  didn't. And I felt that I felt kind of
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  targeted towards Detroit and New Jersey being like, look, I would
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  have loved to be with either of you guys.
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  You guys didn't, you know, you guys didn't step up to the plate
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  and make the correct offer or the the big enough offer.
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  And so he's like, I guess Matt, respect for Bill Guerin for
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  doing it, and I think he appreciates it as well.
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  Anything to get him out of Vancouver, right?
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  So all that to say, I don't think that it's a guarantee he's
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  leaving after two years. If he stays, I think it's a slam
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  dunk of a win. If he leaves but they win a Cup,
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  it's a win. If they don't win and he leaves
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  for nothing, then it's an L. So we'll have to wait and see,
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  but I like the move. Now let's talk about the fantasy
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  aspect because that's what people care about at the end of
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  the day. So first of all, for Quinn
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  Hughes himself, easy. It's just a huge win, right?
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  Getting out of Vancouver, getting play with Presov Boldy.
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  Don't eat the one question that I had that I recently in the
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  discord is like people were asking for, you know,
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  potentially for next year or even for this year.
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  They're like, is it? Is this now like, you know,
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  Mccarran, Quinn, Hughes and then.
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  Yeah, I you have to save your down for you have to save that
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  for our mailbag episode. OK, There's enough to talk about
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  that. We can save that specific
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  question for the mailbag. So my tease of an answer here is
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  that he was already a top three defenseman before this.
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  So it's just like, yeah, he might have stretches where he's
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  better, but he's always elite. And I can't feel, I can't
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  imagine his production like takes the even bigger jump if it
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  did he better than my car at that point.
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  So yeah, although he has been pretty bad the past two weeks,
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  so it'll. Definitely help them get back to
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  below. Yeah, so it'll get him back to
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  what he should be doing. So huge W for Quinn Hughes,
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  other guys involved in the trade, Steve Boyum.
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  Honestly, I think this is a W for him because he wasn't locked
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  on to power play one in Minnesota.
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  Look, it's a worst power play one he's going to.
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  But when you make a trade like this, you have to, you have to
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  showcase player who you made the trade.
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  You have to show your fans and the everyone the organization
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  have to show them like this trade was worth it for us.
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  So they have every reason to want to make an incentive.
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  Exactly. To make them once, they're just
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  a bad team, yeah, that are not competing for anything, right?
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  Like they're not, they're not trying to make the playoffs
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  anymore. So might as well let your young
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  guys develop and develop chemistry with, you know, the
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  other guys on the unit. Absolutely.
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  So I'd say it's a win for Boyum. Not necessarily rushing to pick
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  him up, but I'm willing to take a flyer on him.
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  He got two points his first game.
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  They're both pretty fluky. I was watching the game and it
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  was against New Jersey, who's in a free fall right now start
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  planning the parade if you grabbed him, but I think he
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  could be a solid pickup. Um, guys who got traded the
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  other way, Marco Rossi. I see this as a win for him as
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  well. He is on power play one
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  currently in Vancouver. We'll see what happens when
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  Patterson comes back. But it's kind of like you were
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  saying that team is so bad that anyone who can play who like
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  plays well will make their way into that.
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  You know, top six and power play 1.
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  So he has an opportunity he didn't have in Minnesota.
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  So I like this for him. Ogre's kind of a nothing for
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  fantasy and first round pick is is nothing fantasy.
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  So I guess everyone in the trade kind of wins.
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  Let's talk about the surrounding cast.
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  I'd say this is a loss for everyone else on Vancouver.
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  In fact is getting you know, even if William becomes a queen,
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  he's like player right now. You just lost queen hugs and
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  replaced him with a rookie. So it's going to be less points
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  all around for that power play, for even strength, just
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  everything. I think it sucks for Vancouver
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  guys, not that they were doing well already anyways.
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  And then for Minnesota, obviously it's a massive win,
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  right? If you have a Presov or Boldy
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  Erickson, Eck Zuccarello, when he comes back, like I'm super
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  happy right now. It just it just.
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  Feels like the I don't, I don't necessarily see it as like the
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  ceiling got much higher, but I feel like the floor got much
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  higher. Yeah.
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  So like the range of outcomes of like the value of your players
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  went from like, you know, this could be the range to like this
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  could be the range, you know what I mean?
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  I mean, like Minnesota power Play was already really good
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  this year. That's what I'm saying.
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  And they were alternating between like Boeheim, Faber and
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  Spurgeon on Power Play 1. And you replace that with Quinn
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  Hughes. It's like boat turns into
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  spaceship turns into you know what's more than spaceship like?
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  Demigod is just flying over whatever.
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  Exactly. So I think that's, I think that
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  covers all the aspects of that trade, but that's just massive,
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  very exciting and fun. That's just a general hockey
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  fan, Would you? Trade high on the Queen's hype.
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  After the trade I saw some people.
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  What can you do that? OK.
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  I wish I had the scored that I saw on hand.
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  Let me let me give me a little bit, but let me OK.
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  So I love anytime I have a guy who's like involved in a trade
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  like this. If you can trade on the
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  potential that everyone sees in them, then absolutely you do it.
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  So like everyone's minds, Quinn Hughes just became Kyle
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  Mccarter, right? Like that's that's it.
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  Like everyone, just like Quinn Hughes already second best
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  defenseman in the league, now is getting put in a way better
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  situation. There's no question he becomes
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  the best defenseman in the league.
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  So if you can trade on that value before he even proves it,
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  then it's an automatic win because even if he proves it,
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  you already traded on that value.
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  So there's really no law. So absolutely, if you can trade
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  him where everyone assumes in the trade that he's all of a
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  sudden like the best defenseman in hockey, you do it.
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  And then even if he becomes the best defence in hockey, it's
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  still 1. Somebody somebody traded 4 Quinn
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  Hughes and they got Quinn Hughes and Joel Erickson egg and they
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  gave up. They gave up Jarvis, Gunther
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  left Shanov and Boyum now. Easiest.
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  I'm assuming this is a keeper league or something or cause
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  not. Even.
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  OK, well. This is only just.
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  Really needed help. That's nice.
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  So the original. Trade was Queen Hughes and
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  Ericsson Ek for drivers Gunter and Rasmus Andersson which I was
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  like slam dunk but then he was able to like Flip Anderson out
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  and put in Lev Shanov plus Boyum instead.
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  Crazy. That's actually crazy easy one.
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  OK, let's move on to the next the next one.
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  But that was that was super fun talk about because it's such a
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  massive trade. Another more massive trade yeah,
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  Tristan Jarry traded to Edmonton for Stuart Skinner, Brett Kulak
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  and a second round pick. I know we discussed this a bit
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  on a previous episode, but let's just, uh, first of all, hockey
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  wise, like you said with the previous one, I feel like
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  Pittsburgh police Edmonton here. I think the police Edmonton as
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  well in terms of like value for trade.
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  And if you agree with us, please go on a tick tock and defend us
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  in the comments because it's brutal out there guys.
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  Like it's a whole other world like we have.
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  I feel like we're living in our little equal sphere here and
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  just like people that trust stuff and that know us and like
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  all tick tock and just feel like people think we're like a random
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  content creators. I'm just trying to get clicks.
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  It's horrible. My feelings are hurt, but to me,
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  I'm like for fantasy, if we're talking fantasy right now, it's
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  like, OK, we saw Jerry play one game for Edmonton thus far and
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  it wasn't anything too crazy. Like I think he just below 1900.
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  They won the game. It was it was a blowout.
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  Skinner has yet to play for Pittsburgh, but they're playing.
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  Each other, yeah. This episode is going live
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  tomorrow morning and they are, we are recording this like right
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  before, literally right before Pittsburgh and.
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  Actually feel like I have to watch this game like.
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  It's like it's like a WWE event like people are.
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  It's not Crosby versus McDavid. Tristan.
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  Jarry versus Stuart Skinner. But if I'm just looking at the
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  fantasy ramification, we're just gonna talk about the goal is
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  because the only thing relevant here, I mean, Jerry is worth a
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  pickup because he's going to be the starter.
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  He's gonna be the starter for the foreseeable future now.
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  Like same reason. Skinner was still like 60%
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  rostered even when he was playing awfully.
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  The goalie on Edmonton is always gonna have some sort of value
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  because they win so many, yeah. And I think Stuart Skinner is in
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  the same boat like he's going to be.
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  I mean, I think he has less of a chance to be like the the full
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  starter compared to Jerry. Like Jerry, like Picker is not
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  not stealing any games from him. Yeah, whereas Skinner, I could
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  see them being like, alright, let's give she loves the game
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  here or whatever. But I still expect Skinner to
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  get the bulk of the workload. And also he could be trade bait
• 17:01
  as well for another goal if another team like needs a goalie
• 17:04
  near the deadline. Like they could flip them like
• 17:05
  they have no ties or allegiance to him long term.
• 17:08
  Right now. He doesn't have a contract.
• 17:10
  Yeah. And.
• 17:10
  The day they've got Sheilas and Marisha off yeah, you know
• 17:13
  cupboard kind of marinating so so but they also.
• 17:16
  Want it to be like during the third in the playoff picture
• 17:19
  right now, which we did not expect to be the case at all
• 17:21
  thus far. So that's surprising in itself.
• 17:25
  But for Skinner, I still have scanner on my roster.
• 17:27
  I had it when he was on Edmonton.
• 17:28
  I'm holding him through the trade and I'm going to see right
• 17:31
  now, like I'm giving a peek into the league of record right now,
• 17:34
  but I'm holding 3 goalies. I need to hold only two goalies
• 17:38
  and my goalies right now are or Jet, Grieves, Skinner and
• 17:41
  Askarov, Askerov safe. But right now it's kind of feels
• 17:44
  like a little tryout for Grieves and Skinner on my roster.
• 17:47
  Right now I'm leaning towards keeping Skinner just because I
• 17:49
  think the Penguins should have more wins and I do like Grieves
• 17:53
  as a goalie and I think he has better quality in him.
• 17:55
  Like he's putting up good percentages is just a team
• 17:57
  around him letting him down like they cannot buy.
• 17:59
  It's like he's had like 7 straight starts without a win.
• 18:02
  It feels like they always choking in the third period.
• 18:04
  It's honestly horrible. Yeah but I feel really bad
• 18:07
  dropping him an hourly. There's nobody on waivers right
• 18:09
  now that's good so. Yeah, anyway, so that's a super
• 18:12
  interesting one. We'll see.
• 18:13
  I can see it working out for both teams this year at least.
• 18:16
  Um, but yeah, it kind of just feels like a lateral move it.
• 18:19
  Does. So let's let's move on.
• 18:21
  Those were the two big trades from the week.
• 18:23
  So back to your regular scheduled injuries and health.
• 18:27
  Patrick Kane is out at least two games with an upper body injury.
• 18:30
  He's on my teams. That sucks.
• 18:32
  JVR is taking his spot on power play 1.
• 18:36
  James van Riemsdyk for the newer the newer folk who don't
• 18:39
  remember him from his Toronto days 14.
• 18:43
  And long hold like people, I feel like people were only
• 18:46
  recently starting to be like, oh, this can like actually worth
• 18:48
  holding besides streaming. I'm just like, bro, like we've
• 18:51
  been we've been talking about team being a valuable asset for
• 18:53
  like months. It feels like it's crazy.
• 18:55
  I drafted him in like the 15th round in our league and he's
• 18:58
  like been point per game, like .4 power play points, three
• 19:01
  shots all season. It's just that he's old and gets
• 19:04
  injured a decent amount that people are, and you know, people
• 19:06
  don't believe it. Like line 1 all the time, yeah.
• 19:09
  Exactly, but still producing very much a season long hold so
• 19:13
  definitely sucks see how long he's out for.
• 19:15
  It said. Like what I read is that he
• 19:17
  retweeted whatever he entered last time he got injured.
• 19:20
  So Tweak makes it seem like maybe it's not a big deal, but
• 19:23
  we'll see what happens. Every time I have a guy who's
• 19:24
  day-to-day, he's out for like 3 weeks.
• 19:26
  So we'll see here. First, he's about to miss a
• 19:28
  month. But I'll have to say what.
• 19:31
  What I'm doing with Kane is if I have IR plus, I'm just easily
• 19:34
  stashing and if I don't have IR plus and he's basically a dead
• 19:38
  spot if he's not playing, I'm still holding for the moment.
• 19:41
  Just until we get a clearer timeline, because it's just two
• 19:43
  games, I'm biting the bullet. It's like Josh Norris last week
• 19:46
  they got sick, they missed two games.
• 19:48
  I'm not cutting a guy like that that I see that has future value
• 19:51
  just for these two games, you know what I mean?
• 19:52
  So I want King and my roster. JVR, I'm not really tempted into
• 19:56
  picking up. I think even if he's on PP 1, I
• 19:59
  don't really have interest in him unless let's say Kane, they
• 20:02
  disclose that he's out for like a month plus, then we'll see.
• 20:05
  Maybe he'll have more standalone value.
• 20:07
  But right now I'm not taking the shot on him.
• 20:09
  Yeah. Thing with him is that, first of
• 20:10
  all, he's not good. But also like, even if Kane is
• 20:13
  out long-term, like, it's like guaranteed to have that power
• 20:15
  play one spot the entire time. Like they have plenty of other
• 20:17
  guys who can take it if he doesn't perform.
• 20:19
  So see, I'm not rushing to pick him up.
• 20:21
  Let's move on to something that doesn't make me depressed.
• 20:23
  Charlie McAvoy returned from injury and bumped Hampus
• 20:26
  Lindholm power play 1. He came back pretty early.
• 20:29
  What I'm learning, honestly, is that everybody's out a schedule.
• 20:33
  Everyone's. Ahead of schedule and anytime I
• 20:35
  in my mind, I'm like, should I be sending Billows for this guy?
• 20:37
  He's out indefinitely. I don't know, send the buy low.
• 20:40
  That's what I've learned. My missed the Rasmus Dahlin
• 20:42
  opportunity, this Mackoy opportunity actually sending out
• 20:45
  non-stop offers. So this one I'm not putting on
• 20:47
  myself. The owner just didn't wanna
• 20:48
  trade with me, which is fair enough.
• 20:50
  Um, but uh, but no like like who else?
• 20:53
  OK, Timo Meier singing leave of absence right now.
• 20:55
  That's actually the next point bullet point post team admires
• 20:59
  taking a leave of absence will be out indefinitely.
• 21:01
  Are sunny grits. You got a spot on perfect.
• 21:02
  But then he got injured too. So now it's Stephen Mason.
• 21:05
  But as I was saying as part of the last point, I'm absolutely
• 21:07
  sending billows for Timo Meyer. And I know that indefinitely is
• 21:10
  scary, but what I've learned over the past few weeks and
• 21:13
  honestly from previous years, indefinitely is like never as
• 21:17
  long as you expect, but people get a lot scared.
• 21:19
  But it depends. It could be, it could be like 3
• 21:21
  months and ends up being like 2 months or whatever, which is
• 21:24
  still a month of value. But yeah, you know I.
• 21:25
  Don't wanna say a blanket statement, but if you're in a
• 21:28
  good position where you could take on a guy who could be on
• 21:30
  you will be on your IR for a bit then.
• 21:32
  I love buying low on these indefinitely because people get
• 21:34
  freaked out and we're. Talking about buying low also,
• 21:36
  we're not sending fair value as if he was healthy to try to get
• 21:39
  him off the other teams roster, right?
• 21:40
  Like you, you can send like we're not doing the buy low
• 21:43
  episode right now, but like Timo Meier, like you could probably
• 21:46
  send, maybe you could send a package of like Bertuzzi plus or
• 21:49
  like Bertuzzi is like a major cell high.
• 21:51
  Like I'm like get him off your roster right now.
• 21:53
  Obviously one for one that's not happening.
• 21:54
  But would you trade like Gunther for team one wire?
• 21:58
  No, cuz healthy. I'd rather get there than Meyer.
• 22:00
  Wow. OK, I still think I'm pretty
• 22:02
  high. On get there, I mean I'm still
• 22:04
  curious to see what happened like Myers an interesting one
• 22:07
  when I'm not sure he's gonna be power play one when everything
• 22:09
  shakes out. So that's the only reason.
• 22:11
  But let's say instead of team, let's say when Charlie McAvoy
• 22:13
  was out, right, Like I'm super into like I'm, you know, yeah.
• 22:17
  Anyways, all that to say, would you guys go?
• 22:19
  14 more. Um, assuming like that's gonna
• 22:25
  be a bullet point later, but Hagel just got injured.
• 22:27
  Assuming assuming he was healthy or just or in like real time
• 22:30
  resuming. Like he comes back next game
• 22:32
  like he goes after the head. It was just a concussion.
• 22:34
  But no, I think. I think I still just prefer
• 22:36
  Hagel to Meyer. OK, That's it.
• 22:38
  We're talking about, like buying low, right?
• 22:39
  So that's why I love you. I love your Bertuzzi one.
• 22:41
  That's a perfect one. You can make happen, yeah.
• 22:45
  Eventually attend for Meyer I'd even send this one might seem
• 22:47
  crazy, but outside for Hagee, he was a he was our cell high from
• 22:50
  that doesn't. Seem crazy at all.
• 22:52
  I wanna give her Aggie off my roster.
• 22:53
  Yeah, very For Timo Meyer right now.
• 22:54
  That seems like a slam dunk, I think.
• 22:56
  OK, that's that can get done. Yeah, absolutely.
• 22:59
  However, he would. 14 Meyer, Yeah.
• 23:03
  I think religions. To either of those guys, I fully
• 23:05
  agree and. I think you get Timo Meyer plus
• 23:06
  if you're sending those guys. Definitely is really like it,
• 23:11
  packs more of a punch if the team is like near the lower the
• 23:13
  bottom 100%. Like the guys the bottom?
• 23:15
  Three team who is out indefinitely, though, you can
• 23:17
  send a trade like those guys in first place and you lose the
• 23:19
  team. Meyer just wanna hold, Yeah.
• 23:22
  Exactly, but also it depends like every person and every
• 23:25
  manager has different risk tolerance right?
• 23:27
  So you send out the offer, you try and get what you can and you
• 23:31
  can gauge how they feel about the situation.
• 23:33
  If you're in a league where the guys like indefinitely, I don't
• 23:35
  care about that. Like I can hold on to him, then,
• 23:37
  you know, maybe doesn't get done.
• 23:38
  But if you're a league guys like panicking, being like, Oh my
• 23:40
  God, this guy might just be worth nothing all year.
• 23:42
  Like that's when he counts. So it's leaked dependent.
• 23:44
  But yeah, talking about Devils, we've got CMON Nemic is was
• 23:48
  injured at practice and will be out at least two weeks.
• 23:50
  But it seems like a while. Luke Hughes and Dougie Hamilton
• 23:53
  are back to splitting power play one.
• 23:54
  It also makes no sense. It's not even game in game out
• 23:56
  anymore. Like I was watching the last
• 23:58
  like devils game. They're on the power play.
• 24:00
  Luke Hughes is on power play 1. They get A5 on three on that
• 24:03
  same power play immediately they swap him with Dougie like it's
• 24:06
  within the same power play lightning thing, Like they're
• 24:08
  just, I don't know. I don't even know wireless swap.
• 24:11
  Model type of thing like I don't know, it was like. 20 seconds
• 24:13
  into the power play it became A5 on three and then they swapped.
• 24:15
  Like, I really don't know why you're trying to write.
• 24:18
  A game and it's not working. Honestly like he's just terrible
• 24:23
  coach but I'm also salty because I'm a druggie owner and it's.
• 24:28
  Been like the word fantasy world he's actually been.
• 24:30
  Awful yeah, he's been like 0 point just garbage.
• 24:32
  But anyways, yeah, so they're splitting it right now.
• 24:35
  I don't want to own any of these guys, but like Doug is getting
• 24:37
  dropped in a lot of leagues. If your league is a deep league,
• 24:40
  as much as I hate having him on my team, if you're in a good
• 24:42
  position, I would scoop him up for free if you can.
• 24:45
  I just think that like there's got.
• 24:46
  To be better, there's a head can get worse than it is right now.
• 24:48
  It literally. Can't get worse and he's been in
• 24:51
  trade. I know he's gotta know like no
• 24:53
  trade clause like partial or something, but I know the team
• 24:56
  wants to ship him and wherever he goes.
• 24:58
  The only team that would take him as a team that wants to put
• 24:59
  him in power play one. In my opinion, I just don't see
• 25:01
  a team grabbing him with that salary cap and not putting on
• 25:04
  power play 1. So we'll see what happens.
• 25:06
  Honestly, I'm kind of holding I'm in a decent spot in our
• 25:09
  league so I'm holding until around the trade deadline.
• 25:11
  And if if he doesn't get traded and he's been this garbage this
• 25:14
  whole time, then I'll just drop him.
• 25:15
  But he has the potential to be someone you're really happy to
• 25:18
  get for free. Yep, Anyways, let's move on
• 25:20
  again, more things that that are pissing me off this year, so
• 25:23
  let's get away from that. Jared McCann got injured again
• 25:27
  and will be out for three weeks. Ely Tolvanen taking his spot on
• 25:30
  line one power play one. I like Tolvanen as a bangers guy
• 25:33
  and with the deployment it's solid.
• 25:35
  Nothing too exciting though. Seattle I think is the worst
• 25:37
  offence in the league, but McCann, I think this is just.
• 25:41
  Yeah. Just like a certified squishy
• 25:44
  boy at this point he just can't stay healthy.
• 25:47
  I don't even know following him at this point like when he's
• 25:50
  healthy. He's actually good and he likes
• 25:51
  being a little bit too. So it's just I think the more
• 25:54
  the question here is like people didn't really have McCann on
• 25:57
  their on their rosters. It felt like before this.
• 25:59
  So if you can stash dash, if you can stash drop, I'm not I don't
• 26:02
  feel bad about it. Absolutely.
• 26:04
  Tolvanen, I feel like, let's not forget, it's not like you guys
• 26:07
  getting this deployment and he's a direct replacement.
• 26:09
  Like McCann was missing a lot of time before and it wasn't there
• 26:13
  the whole time either as a permanent replacement.
• 26:16
  So he has the deployment is good.
• 26:18
  You, you you're interested, but somebody asked Tolvanen or
• 26:21
  Toffoli and I went to Foley. Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:24
  So I I still feel like that's kind of the range of guys we're
• 26:26
  talking about right now. And if he gets bumped off, like
• 26:29
  if hits is a big part of your league, maybe I do favor 12 and
• 26:32
  a little bit because he does have that element to his game.
• 26:34
  But in general, this is not a blockbuster move for me.
• 26:37
  I'm not rushing to pick him up, no.
• 26:39
  And I mean, in that specific scenario, like let's say hits
• 26:41
  are involved right now, I'd rather have Tolvanen, but I'm
• 26:44
  much more likely to drop to Alvin in the next two weeks than
• 26:48
  I am to, Foley said. That makes sense.
• 26:50
  So like, sometimes there's a guy who you'd rather have right now,
• 26:52
  but he's, uh, more likely to be dropped.
• 26:54
  So, you know, you'd probably go with the safer bet.
• 26:56
  OK, here's a big one. Connor Bedard is out with an
• 27:00
  upper body injury. It's a separated shoulder until
• 27:02
  at least January. Nick Lardis got called U and
• 27:05
  getting his spot on power play 1 and Frank Nazar is getting his
• 27:09
  spot on line one. But this is massive.
• 27:11
  Before, like earlier in the season, I was saying that anyone
• 27:14
  who has any exposure to Bedard is worth holding because of how
• 27:17
  unreal Bedard was. Like anyone on that power play
• 27:19
  one, we're talking like Bertuzzi, we're talking
• 27:21
  Burkowski, we're talking left Shanov, right.
• 27:24
  So Spencer Night also has definitely benefiting from
• 27:27
  Bedard so that whole team just becomes a dumpster fire now.
• 27:31
  Like he literally was the only thing keeping that team afloat.
• 27:35
  It's honestly really sad because like he was, he was playing like
• 27:38
  a first round draft pick in fantasy leagues where you
• 27:40
  probably got him in the third round or even later potentially
• 27:43
  in some leagues. So it was tremendous value.
• 27:45
  And also he's just like fun to watch.
• 27:48
  Like he's a great player. He made the league, He made this
• 27:50
  Blackhawks team, like really fun to watch as well.
• 27:52
  So right now I'm just like, if I have Blackhawks players on my
• 27:55
  roster, I just want to get them off my roster.
• 27:57
  And because none of the guys were released super valuable
• 27:59
  already to begin with. But like the number 2 sees the
• 28:02
  Nazars like these are probably only gonna get potentially a
• 28:04
  boost of this. But he's got line one.
• 28:06
  He's not even on P1. So what's what are we?
• 28:09
  What are we doing here? You know, like why is why is
• 28:10
  Nick Lardis no shape to Nick Lardis?
• 28:12
  But why is he getting P1 when guys like I think.
• 28:15
  NASCAR is on top one. I think he had it before the
• 28:17
  last checked. It he wasn't there.
• 28:19
  Because I was seeing seeing. Auto on Internet on TV 2 on P2.
• 28:26
  I was seeing as power play one I was seeing Nasar for Tuzi,
• 28:30
  Berkowski, Lardis and Love Shanov.
• 28:34
  OK, Yeah, as as we speak right now.
• 28:36
  Bertuzzi, Nazar. Lardis, Burkowski, Grayslake.
• 28:40
  Yeah, the production office getting scratched because he
• 28:42
  missed a he was showed up to the wrinkled.
• 28:43
  So yeah, he's still. Classy one.
• 28:44
  But yeah, we'll be there. So the main, the main guys are
• 28:47
  not on there is Teravainen and Donato.
• 28:49
  So yeah, if it stays like this, listen, I think Nazar gets a
• 28:52
  boost. But the guys around them, I'm
• 28:55
  not too thrilled to hold these guys right now.
• 28:57
  Like they were already over performing.
• 28:58
  I'm trying to get them off my roster.
• 29:00
  Absolutely. All right, Jason Zucker is out
• 29:03
  again with a lower body injury. Zach Benson takes his spot on
• 29:06
  power play 1. This sucks, right?
• 29:08
  What a sucker. Was a guy that we were talking
• 29:11
  about a lot on the pod. People picked him up.
• 29:13
  People were loving him because he was putting up a ridiculous
• 29:15
  points in power play points for a random guy that most people
• 29:18
  haven't heard of, unless you listen to us in the offseason
• 29:20
  where we talked about him. But but yeah, I mean, it just
• 29:23
  seems like he's having one of those seasons that sometimes
• 29:25
  players have where they're just really in and out with injuries.
• 29:29
  So again, if you have the IR spot, I'm happy to stash him.
• 29:32
  If not, I'm happy to drop him. And then I'm not running to pick
• 29:35
  up Benson either. I know like earlier in the
• 29:37
  season he looked like he can be like legit, but right now I'm
• 29:40
  not seeing it seems like more of the guys in that realm.
• 29:43
  It seems like Josh Stones more the guy to own than Benson.
• 29:45
  But but yeah, I mean, watch list him and see if he could go back
• 29:49
  to what he was doing at the start of the season.
• 29:50
  Yeah, if he. Gets a little hot and he still
• 29:52
  exposed to you know, the changes the Josh Norris then I'm I'm
• 29:55
  interested. But right now, I think this
• 29:57
  honestly gives a boost to to Alex Tuck, who we've been trying
• 30:00
  to get shipped off our our rosters as much as possible
• 30:02
  because a lot of his situation is just a little bit squishy.
• 30:06
  But would right now this seems to be line 1P1 and that might
• 30:11
  stick for a little bit. So they.
• 30:12
  Have you think he's power play one over Benson he.
• 30:15
  Was power play one over Benson lost last game.
• 30:19
  OK, so. That's what, super smooth,
• 30:22
  fluid. Yeah, exactly.
• 30:24
  They just really, there's just some teams, no reason.
• 30:27
  They know like as of the practice today, they put a Mac
• 30:29
  PB 2. So let's yeah.
• 30:30
  It's just it's I would always. Bet on Tuck being still trying.
• 30:34
  To yeah, I want to do is like Hegel and probably one.
• 30:38
  Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, so that's definitely
• 30:42
  interesting. And on topic of of the Sabres,
• 30:45
  they hired a new GM. They finally fired Kevin Adams
• 30:48
  and hired the worst. Gym in the league.
• 30:50
  I'm sorry. Like, honestly, like it was just
• 30:52
  it's like every time I see a trade, I'm like, why is Buffalo
• 30:55
  doing this? Yeah.
• 30:56
  So they hired Jarmo Kekalainen, you may remember him from
• 30:59
  Columbus. And yeah, I mean, I think he he
• 31:03
  recently like had a press conference and said, I think we
• 31:06
  can be playoff contenders this year, you know, like stuff like
• 31:09
  that and say, what's he going to say, right?
• 31:11
  But I mean, look, it could only be better for Buffalo, right?
• 31:14
  Like any change is a good change for them I think.
• 31:18
  This is like a breath of fresh air for the team and they feel
• 31:20
  like rejuvenated a little bit because honestly, guys, he was
• 31:22
  like the worst gym. He was actually the worst gym in
• 31:25
  the league. And the fact that they were able
• 31:27
  to swap him out for somebody like it was about time he got
• 31:29
  fired. I think the players are going to
• 31:30
  be happier. I think there's like a new era
• 31:34
  kind of in Buffalo right now. I'm not saying kick line is
• 31:37
  going to be the solution and it doesn't have his faults either,
• 31:40
  but I I don't, I don't my house, he's not worth it.
• 31:44
  Kevin Adams. So yeah.
• 31:45
  I I agree and well, it'll be interesting to see how he
• 31:47
  handles the Byram and the tough situations.
• 31:50
  I know he said that his goal is to sign Tuck, but they have to
• 31:53
  agree on a number. If they don't agree, then he'll
• 31:55
  be shipped and environs gone. So we'll see.
• 31:57
  We'll see how that shakes out over the course of the season.
• 32:00
  I would. Love to be in this playoff race
• 32:02
  though because I feel like it makes all their fantasy assets
• 32:04
  even more valuable. Fair share because honestly been
• 32:07
  right. Now, like every single team is
• 32:09
  in the playoff race, six points out of a playoff spot, but
• 32:12
  they're like 8 teams out because of how close it is.
• 32:15
  It's super fun. I love it.
• 32:16
  It makes it makes it super interesting.
• 32:18
  So so they definitely not out of it.
• 32:19
  People like to clown on. They're clowning on him saying
• 32:22
  we're a playoff team, but like 6 points out.
• 32:24
  Super reasonable. Yeah, look at the hubs last
• 32:26
  year. We were last place in the league
• 32:27
  and we made the playoffs like at this point.
• 32:28
  So yeah, moving on to some news that breaks my heart because
• 32:32
  I've been a believer all year is Dylan Holloway is out six weeks
• 32:36
  with a high ankle sprain. Jig Neighbors is taking a spot
• 32:39
  on power play 1 Holloway. Like I know his points haven't
• 32:42
  been there this year, but he was starting to turn it around and
• 32:45
  the bangs have just been unreal. Like he he has been continuing
• 32:48
  with that. So this is a big loss in any
• 32:50
  bangers league. And this is similar 1 to a lot
• 32:53
  of the others where if you have the spot, you stash him and if
• 32:55
  not, then I think you have to drop with just the turn, how
• 32:57
  long term the injury is and how he's been this year.
• 32:59
  So it sucks. I mean, also like Saint Louis
• 33:01
  looks like they were finally kind of getting going.
• 33:03
  Like, Robert Thomas is on a little point streak and yeah,
• 33:07
  it's just a brutal timing. Very.
• 33:09
  Brutal timing. I am interested in Jake
• 33:11
  Neighbors. However, I feel like with he's
• 33:14
  already kind of like a low-key bangers type of guy.
• 33:16
  Like he he does hit a lot. His shots were not always super
• 33:18
  consistent, but he could be a double, double.
• 33:20
  And I think with the increased role, he has a better shot of
• 33:24
  not than being a valuable asset for your bankers categories
• 33:26
  leagues, which we love. But even in points leagues, I
• 33:29
  feel like with the line 1P1, he has some good upside to him,
• 33:33
  yeah. Absolutely, and I'm playing him
• 33:34
  this week so that's guaranteed. Just an insane week.
• 33:36
  So go pick him up. He already put up a point and
• 33:39
  four hits against me anyways and one thing.
• 33:41
  I lost Patrick Kane and I picked up Jake Neighbors and he won me
• 33:45
  hits in my last match up in the in categories and this this week
• 33:49
  he's I think he's already out of the system.
• 33:50
  So nice. Here's another big one.
• 33:54
  Will Smith is out with an injury, William Eckland taking
• 33:57
  his spot on power play 1 and or I don't know if it's to Foley or
• 34:01
  Eckland that like they kept shuffling.
• 34:02
  Around it was on there was been there.
• 34:04
  I know. He was on power play too for a
• 34:05
  bit, but but maybe he was there most recently.
• 34:08
  So so I'll say to fully taking his spot on power play one for
• 34:11
  some reason, the one guy who's a lock there is Alexander
• 34:13
  Weinberg. But I guess he needed
• 34:15
  philosophies. Yeah, exactly.
• 34:18
  But I know this is a massive, massive loss for them.
• 34:21
  But so far what I want, I think they're only guaranteeing he's
• 34:24
  out for one week. So he might be out for more, but
• 34:27
  it's at least a week, you know, but that's not too bad, right?
• 34:31
  It looked like he can be out much longer term than that.
• 34:33
  So hopefully it's a it's shorter term because they also were kind
• 34:36
  of I mean, first of all season they've been outperforming, but
• 34:39
  him and celebrity have been, you know, buds on and off the ice
• 34:42
  killing it points wise and they've been just doing really
• 34:45
  well. So hopefully he comes back soon.
• 34:47
  And in the meantime, Eckland and Toffoli both get a boost.
• 34:50
  Whichever one of them, you know, wouldn't have been on power play
• 34:53
  one now gets it. So definitely.
• 34:58
  Echelon power play one full stretch it was Will Smith on P2
• 35:02
  or Toffoli on P2. OK.
• 35:05
  I thought I'd seen acting on PowerPoint 2 at some point, but
• 35:08
  maybe he was a plugged into the. Situation.
• 35:10
  Yeah, I. Know, I know you have a lot of
• 35:13
  stakes in that so, but. I'm mostly interested in seeing
• 35:18
  who ends up playing online one because I feel like San Jose is
• 35:21
  just like, their lines are a little weird.
• 35:23
  Yeah, Weinberg is centering Toffoli and Eckland, who are the
• 35:27
  best, both best wingers on this team outside of Will Smith and
• 35:31
  celebrating kind of left hanging on to dry with Colin Graph and
• 35:36
  Chernyshov. Yeah, at the moment, that's
• 35:39
  what's the situation is like. Yeah.
• 35:41
  Yeah, we'll see. If they consolidate into one
• 35:44
  bigger line or whatnot, I'd be interested to see that.
• 35:46
  But as long as everybody's on PP1, I'm interested in those
• 35:48
  guys, yeah. Joseph Wall is healthy and he'll
• 35:52
  bump that is held to be from the starting job again.
• 35:54
  The Toronto starting job is not what it used to be.
• 35:56
  It's not that coveted, like I must must have that guy on my
• 35:59
  team, but was a solid goalie when he could stay healthy.
• 36:02
  So I definitely like him as a pickup.
• 36:04
  If he's available in your league, I like him better than
• 36:06
  most goalies that are probably available on waivers.
• 36:08
  Yep, I I just recommended somebody to pick up Tristan
• 36:11
  Jarry for Joseph Wall I. Think that's fair though.
• 36:13
  I think I like Jerry better than Wall right now.
• 36:16
  Just like I said, like if you ask me that a year ago, if
• 36:18
  you're like Wall is there and stole ours is not coming back
• 36:21
  anytime soon. Seawall, but but now it's just a
• 36:26
  kind of lower stakes with how the leaves have been.
• 36:28
  Yeah, On that note, stole ours is not nearing a return.
• 36:32
  He's going to get a second opinion.
• 36:33
  Things are not resting well. It makes it sound like he could
• 36:36
  be out almost the whole season. That's kind of the vibe I'm
• 36:38
  getting, which is. Really sad because like we saw
• 36:40
  him like when he was healthy, he was actually a really solid
• 36:42
  goalie for them. So absolutely.
• 36:44
  But it means Wall is the undisputed starter again, not as
• 36:47
  long as it can handle. The workload and.
• 36:50
  The load as long as he can handle all the loads let's move
• 36:53
  on John Carlson returned from injury but did not take his spot
• 36:57
  back on power play one who could have predicted that your
• 37:00
  federally underhood Bangor management podcast hosts that's
• 37:03
  who yeah so we really hope that everyone sold high on him when
• 37:07
  we when we recommended it about I don't know if it was 2 weeks
• 37:09
  ago or one week ago but but yeah I really hope you guys sold high
• 37:13
  because he's only going downhill from from what he was doing
• 37:16
  before the injury if. You listen to us.
• 37:18
  We were just like this was a get must get off your roster because
• 37:22
  you know he was banged up so he wasn't in the lineup, but he
• 37:25
  wasn't on P1. You could have used it to your
• 37:26
  advantage when trading. A lot of people were able to get
• 37:29
  them off their roster, which I'm really happy about that We saw
• 37:31
  in the discord. But if you're still holding, I'm
• 37:34
  still trying to make a deal happen for whatever I.
• 37:35
  Don't think it's too late to sell.
• 37:37
  It might not be as high as you could have sold, you know, a
• 37:39
  week ago, but like he still has has some value.
• 37:42
  So I would still try and sell and.
• 37:44
  Does this mean that he's never going to be on P1 again?
• 37:47
  No, obviously there, there's, there's.
• 37:49
  I feel like it's a 5050 chance that he ends up back there at
• 37:52
  some point. I mean.
• 37:53
  Ethan Frank is not a lock, you know.
• 37:54
  No, Ethan Frank is not. A lock, but the fact that he was
• 37:56
  injured came back, Leonard got hurt, and Ethan Frank is holding
• 37:59
  up the spot and not just immediately putting him there
• 38:01
  raises eyebrows already. So absolutely.
• 38:03
  So I'm not, I'm not enthused to have John Carlton on my roster,
• 38:06
  no. Alright, let's dive into a few
• 38:09
  Tampa Bay Lightning tidbits here.
• 38:11
  So Victor Hedman is getting elbow surgery, will be out until
• 38:13
  February. Darren Radish is the undisputed
• 38:15
  power Play 1D on this team until February and then he'll still be
• 38:20
  the powerful 11 Headman comes back, but maybe it'll be a bit
• 38:22
  more disputed. But look, we we highlighted
• 38:25
  Radish as a cell high in our last episode and that was with
• 38:28
  the full knowledge of Hedman's injury.
• 38:30
  So I think that this injury increases Radishes value, but it
• 38:35
  might increase his value in people's minds more than it
• 38:38
  should be increased. And that's where you take
• 38:39
  advantage. So he's going to be great season
• 38:41
  could be one of the free agent pickups of the year.
• 38:43
  But if you can sell high on what he's been doing, then absolutely
• 38:45
  do it. Talking about the Lightning
• 38:48
  again, Brandon Hagel was injured in yesterday's game.
• 38:50
  I don't know if you saw Kevin, but he got.
• 38:52
  The right to elbow to the face. Yeah, and it was honestly like,
• 38:57
  I'm glad he does not suspended because I haven't won my team.
• 38:59
  But it was bad. It was all elbow he was.
• 39:01
  Leading with the elbow? Like coming for you?
• 39:04
  Exactly. He was coming from a mile away
• 39:06
  and it was just straight elbow. But yeah, so this is.
• 39:09
  Like locking loaded, like ready to go, Yeah.
• 39:12
  This is the third time that Hagel's getting a head injury
• 39:15
  playing against Florida in the past, I think season and a half
• 39:18
  ever since he had that hit on, on bark of I think they're just,
• 39:21
  they have his number and Florida just never has to pay the price
• 39:25
  for anything. So this sucks as a Hegel owner.
• 39:27
  We'll see what happens. Like with Tampa, you know, they
• 39:30
  always make everything sound like they're dead and then they
• 39:32
  come back like 2 games later. So we'll see what happens.
• 39:35
  Would you? Rather be a concussion or like a
• 39:37
  jaw injury. I'd.
• 39:39
  Rather a jaw injury. Even though that might knock him
• 39:42
  out longer term. Vilica.
• 39:43
  Like, look at Macavoy, you're not gonna get a worse draw
• 39:45
  injury than he got. And he came back within like two
• 39:47
  or three weeks. And I don't know, concussion is
• 39:51
  just, it's more, Yeah, exactly. If he's a lot more.
• 39:54
  Ambiguous because there's not like a injury timeline.
• 39:57
  It's all. Yeah, it's.
• 39:58
  Also like jaw injury, like you get it fixed, whatever you come
• 40:01
  back doesn't like let's say you're back your feet.
• 40:04
  Yeah. And also like your back, you
• 40:05
  know, concussion, like, like if you take a bad hit and you just
• 40:08
  came back from a jaw injury reporting the full cage, you're
• 40:10
  not gonna reactivate your jaw injury, you know?
• 40:12
  But like concussion, you take like, it doesn't even have to be
• 40:14
  a bad hit. You can't.
• 40:15
  You take a awkward hit or something like that and you can
• 40:17
  reactivate your concussion. So yeah, definitely prefer that.
• 40:20
  And then again, but on some good news for Tampa, Vasilevsky is
• 40:23
  back from injury and Yonis slash, Jonas Johansson, Josh
• 40:27
  Johansson still don't know which one it is, is back to backing
• 40:30
  up. So that's really exciting for
• 40:31
  Vasilevski owners, Johansen owners.
• 40:34
  I mean, it was a great stream while it lasted.
• 40:35
  He he really put up good numbers for you.
• 40:37
  Doesn't give a lot. Of value yeah a. 100% so enjoyed
• 40:40
  it while you could and now he's gone.
• 40:42
  But that's how these things work.
• 40:45
  And left it, they left it kind of ambiguous because, I mean,
• 40:47
  since since Vasilevsky has been activated from IR, he hasn't
• 40:50
  actually played a game yet. Yeah.
• 40:52
  And then John Cooper was like hoping he'd play.
• 40:54
  And they were like, oh, we just hope he plays before the
• 40:56
  Christmas break. So it's just kind of like he was
• 40:58
  activated from IR means like, OK, the injury is not long term
• 41:01
  anymore. By the time listening to this,
• 41:04
  maybe he already played one game.
• 41:05
  So hopefully there's no issues and there's no lingering
• 41:08
  anything with Vasilevsky. But I feel like they wouldn't
• 41:10
  risk anything with him, no? No chance.
• 41:12
  OK. Matt Zuccarello is injured
• 41:14
  again. Honestly, it's just like a lot
• 41:17
  of these guys who keep getting reinjured.
• 41:18
  It's just the older guys, right? That's just facts.
• 41:21
  Age comes for all of us. So definitely something to be
• 41:23
  said about, you know, sometimes avoiding the older guys, maybe
• 41:28
  less avoiding. But if you have the choice
• 41:29
  between 2 equal guys and ones younger, maybe go with the
• 41:31
  younger ones to avoid injuries. But I really like Zuccarello as
• 41:35
  an IR. She's only 18% owned.
• 41:37
  I think in any league where you have an IR spot available,
• 41:40
  mostly still be available. And I would absolutely go stab
• 41:42
  him with the Quinn Hughes trade. I think his value is going to go
• 41:45
  up a lot. In the meantime, Tarasenko's on
• 41:47
  line one Power Play 1, and I'm not really interested.
• 41:50
  And I know it's crazy because of that deployment, but I was gonna
• 41:53
  pick him up. But I decided to do a bit of a
• 41:55
  deep dive. And first of all, I don't think
• 41:56
  he has a lock on that spot. I think, you know, right now,
• 41:59
  Marcus Johansson also injured, If he comes back from injury, I
• 42:01
  could see him bumping Tarasenko. And then also, wild fans hate
• 42:05
  Tarasenko. They say he's been awful for
• 42:06
  them this year and all that made me feel like I don't want to
• 42:09
  pick him up. Since the two games of him being
• 42:11
  landed on Power Play 1, he hasn't done anything.
• 42:13
  So I'm feeling pretty good about my avoiding that pickup.
• 42:15
  We'll see how he does this following week though.
• 42:18
  As long as he's P1, I feel like he's going to look into at least
• 42:21
  a few points there given how how good that power play is.
• 42:25
  But this is a straight swap with Zuccarello comes back now.
• 42:27
  Listen it depends how much time Zuccarello is is missing.
• 42:30
  I saw zuccarello. Was skating on his own so I
• 42:32
  don't know what that means in terms of timeline, but probably
• 42:34
  around. The corner.
• 42:35
  So by the time you're listening to this, maybe he's already
• 42:37
  activated. And yeah, I mean, listen, is
• 42:41
  there a single a worth a stream for like a game or two with the
• 42:45
  exposure game? Week.
• 42:48
  Exactly, you could do worse. Rather than terrorist anchor
• 42:51
  like Evangelista, I'd probably lean Tarasenko just for the
• 42:54
  power play 1 exposure. I would take evangelist 6 of the
• 42:57
  shots but you know, probably more likely Harrison.
• 43:00
  They could. Both get two shots, but one on
• 43:02
  P1, so it's kind of yeah. I guess that's fair.
• 43:05
  OK. That's what we're talking about
• 43:06
  here. We're not.
• 43:07
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 43:08
  Alright, I think I've got a lot of let me do one more player 1
• 43:11
  and then it's just all goalies. So Bo Horvat is day-to-day with
• 43:14
  a lower body injury. Anthony declare taking a spot on
• 43:17
  power play one match. Barcelona also day-to-day but
• 43:20
  he's a game time decision so he should be back.
• 43:23
  This is all day-to-day stuff, so I'm not overreacting to any of
• 43:25
  it. To Claire, got two points, but
• 43:27
  it's the Islanders. If their best players aren't
• 43:29
  there, I'm not dying to pick up their replacements.
• 43:32
  No, and none of these injuries seem super long term either.
• 43:35
  So it's kind of like you gotta bite the bullet while they're
• 43:37
  out right now, but you know, they're back soon, so.
• 43:40
  Yeah, alright, let's do a quick. Barrage.
• 43:43
  Wait, we got one more player 1 we have.
• 43:46
  One more player, right? Thomas Harley returned from
• 43:48
  injury but is still power play too.
• 43:50
  Yeah, now we can. Now we can go through all the
• 43:52
  goals. Take calls alright Connor
• 43:54
  Hellebuyck returned early from entry and bumped Eric Comrie
• 43:57
  from the starting job. Comma kind of sucked.
• 43:59
  So this is not a Johansson situation where you're Thanks
• 44:01
  for the good work. I'll see you next time the guy
• 44:03
  gets injured. This is a you suck and you did
• 44:05
  not do what I wanted you to do while Hella Buck was out type
• 44:08
  the thing Helbock owners rejoice.
• 44:10
  Not much to say about that just makes the whole team better.
• 44:13
  Doctor Demko returned from injury and bumped Kevin Lincoln
• 44:16
  from the starting job. It's only a matter of time till
• 44:18
  he's back on IR. I don't know if that's
• 44:20
  deliverable, it feels inevitable but and also Vancouver sucks so
• 44:25
  I'm not dying to pick him up or anything like that.
• 44:28
  I. Put them going the same
• 44:29
  conversation as like a UC saros like it just we're at the point
• 44:31
  where the team is horrible. They should I take most of the
• 44:34
  stars Yeah it also takes arrows over them.
• 44:36
  Code Sarah doesn't have a LinkedIn problem and also
• 44:39
  honestly less injury prone like. I'm pretty, pretty low on them
• 44:43
  go like I'm thinking about some of the goodies that I would take
• 44:46
  over him you. Have fallen like yeah, like
• 44:48
  would you rather just Amco or Markstrom and Mark come on over
• 44:53
  head case I take. Markstrom but he's awful.
• 44:56
  Like, yeah, of course, Stuart. Skinner.
• 44:59
  Skinner for sure. Yeah.
• 45:01
  Well, you you want to hear a low one that I would take over
• 45:03
  Demko. I would take Danville Bar over
• 45:05
  Demko. I mean, I feel like I do the
• 45:08
  same, yeah. And that's just like crazy.
• 45:10
  Look, I I will probably take Jack grieves over them.
• 45:12
  Go Yeah. I would too like.
• 45:14
  Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like his stock has
• 45:18
  fallen significantly. The injuries plus the team being
• 45:20
  awful just don't do him any favors, OK?
• 45:23
  Scott Wedgewood returned from entry and is back to splitting
• 45:25
  Starts with Blackwood. If you have what you're super
• 45:28
  happy. If you have Blackwood you're
• 45:29
  like damn less starts, but the stats are still gonna be
• 45:31
  quality. So not too worried about
• 45:33
  anything over there. I think at this point is pretty
• 45:35
  much a 5050, so we. We highlighted blocked as a
• 45:38
  potential cell high just because he's had the quality as well as
• 45:42
  the quantity. Well, which one has been out so
• 45:44
  but he's black with still fantastic goal.
• 45:48
  He's probably like top five, top seven rest of season.
• 45:52
  Yeah. So you know you're shooting
• 45:54
  high. So I'm not trying to get rid of
• 45:55
  him off my Ross, but you do have an opportunity to potentially
• 45:57
  get like a hell of a or a vessel loves you or something with his
• 46:01
  hand on the other hand. On the other hand, Blackwood
• 46:03
  could also be it all depends the the mindset of the managers
• 46:06
  right? He could also be a buy low if if
• 46:08
  people. Buy low on Blackwood with how
• 46:11
  he's performing on the ice. Not, not.
• 46:12
  Not Bill is the wrong word, but maybe like people see, OK, you
• 46:17
  take advantage of other people trying to sell high, if that
• 46:20
  makes sense, because sometimes when people sell high on a
• 46:22
  player, they start in their head thinking about getting worse
• 46:26
  than they are, like, if that makes sense.
• 46:28
  So like you see a guy being like kind of rushing to sell
• 46:31
  Blackwood to get value on since Westward returns, then maybe you
• 46:34
  can take advantage of that. And so it really depends on how
• 46:36
  the manager, how the managers, you know, treat.
• 46:38
  It's a very case by case basis, but there's definitely
• 46:40
  interesting stuff to be done there.
• 46:42
  Here's an interesting one. It's gonna be one of our hot
• 46:44
  topics, so we won't dive into it too much.
• 46:45
  But Jacob Colour got called up for the Habs.
• 46:47
  But here's another interesting thing that just happened today.
• 46:50
  I saw Timbo has been sent down to the NHL for conditioning
• 46:53
  stint. Guys the.
• 46:54
  Falloff creed to be studied like what is this is I mean.
• 46:58
  To be fair, he was a waiver pickup, right?
• 47:00
  Like he was supposed to be a nobody and then he had the
• 47:03
  opportunity to be the half starter because we had just all
• 47:05
  our main guys were injured and we didn't really have anyone in
• 47:07
  the pipeline. He excelled at it and like ran
• 47:10
  with it and now it just seems like I don't know way.
• 47:13
  Better than this that we saw last year, Yeah.
• 47:16
  In the last few years, he's single handedly like stopped us
• 47:18
  from getting top picks. Absolutely.
• 47:20
  No, he's been really, really good.
• 47:22
  It's just goalies are crazy, you know, like sometimes they can go
• 47:24
  on like a couple of years where the best goalie and then they
• 47:26
  become like Tristan Jarry, you know what I mean?
• 47:28
  Like. Boilers.
• 47:30
  Yeah, exactly. So now this is crazy.
• 47:32
  It's just crazy that like Montana was the one who got sent
• 47:35
  down and not Dobish like assuming.
• 47:38
  His confidence back, that's what it is.
• 47:40
  It's just, I don't know, I feel like sometimes like sending
• 47:43
  these guys down to the AHL. It's not like a slam dunk.
• 47:46
  They go to the like I remember Carrie Price had a one game in
• 47:49
  the NHL because like he was came in coming back from like a huge
• 47:51
  injury and he didn't have a great game.
• 47:53
  Like obviously doesn't matter, you know, doesn't still like the
• 47:55
  one of the best goalies of all time.
• 47:57
  But like it's not like a slam dunk that just because you're an
• 47:59
  NHL goalie, you're gonna kill it in the NHL.
• 48:01
  So we'll see. We'll see what happens with
• 48:04
  that. It's a very interesting
• 48:05
  situation. But more on that in our next
• 48:07
  episode. Fowler.
• 48:08
  Is the big question here though, Like what do we then?
• 48:09
  So are we just assuming he's the starter?
• 48:12
  We just assuming he's splitting reps with Dobesh like.
• 48:15
  I think we'll save that for our hot topic.
• 48:16
  So we're running long on this one.
• 48:18
  So, OK, we'll. Need to know about Jacob Fowler
• 48:21
  though there is OK. I'll give it a quick, quick
• 48:23
  blurb is I don't trust any of these three goalies to be the
• 48:26
  starter going forward. I think it's gonna be until
• 48:29
  someone runs away with it, it's just gonna go back and forth all
• 48:32
  around. Although if Fowler plays bad,
• 48:34
  he's going to get sent down for the rest of the year like.
• 48:37
  Just to follow since he's the youngest like they just brought
• 48:39
  him up. They want like save the
• 48:41
  situation. They also don't wanna ruin his
• 48:42
  development like he's the one they like.
• 48:43
  They have the least allegiance to him this year.
• 48:45
  They have the most allegiance stem long term, Absolutely.
• 48:47
  So he's the most likely to get sent down for the rest of the
• 48:51
  season. But if he can run with it, then
• 48:53
  it's also like haven't been that great lately and they started.
• 48:55
  Off the season, but. Yeah, so like, it's not like I'm
• 48:59
  dying to pick up any of these guys, but who knows?
• 49:03
  You can do worse. He had a good first game and
• 49:04
  then a bad second game. So, yeah, we'll see how he does.
• 49:06
  He's playing again tonight, so keep an eye out on that.
• 49:09
  Two more goalie news. Lucas Dostall returned from
• 49:11
  injury and bumped Ville Husso from the starter job.
• 49:13
  Not much to say there. It was always still Styles job
• 49:15
  when healthy. And then Darcy Kemper is injured
• 49:18
  and Anton Forsberg will be the starter while he's out.
• 49:21
  I have come from my team. That's why I'm so lost.
• 49:24
  But yeah, so I mean, this one just happens.
• 49:27
  I just tossed it on. It looks like a concussion.
• 49:29
  Probably. At least he got pulled by the
• 49:31
  concussion spotters. He got put on IR, which means
• 49:33
  he's at least missing the next week.
• 49:35
  We'll see what happens. I'm not dying to pick up Anton
• 49:37
  Forsberg. I don't know if you're following
• 49:39
  the Kings, but literally the only reason they're getting any
• 49:41
  points is because of temper. Like they're losing all their
• 49:44
  games, like 2-1 in like overtime, and it's only because
• 49:47
  of Kemper. So it's like one of those
• 49:48
  situations where you see like the Kings are actually a decent
• 49:51
  team. Like I should definitely pick up
• 49:52
  their backup. It's like, no, the only reason
• 49:53
  they're decent team is because their starter has been really
• 49:55
  good. So if you need a goalie who's
• 49:57
  getting starts, then yeah, you can grab Forsberg.
• 49:59
  But this isn't like a pickup that's going to save you or
• 50:01
  anything like that. This is.
• 50:03
  Like a I'm, I'm, I see it as the same situation as as Windhelm,
• 50:07
  but got injured and comrade. Exactly.
• 50:09
  So it's like, yeah, you pick up comedy because you need a hot
• 50:11
  body to fill up your thing. And they're on a team that's
• 50:13
  supposed to be good. And we got a hot body, you know
• 50:15
  what I mean? No, no, no, no shade at all.
• 50:22
  But you know, yeah. Oh, no.
• 50:25
  It's. The exact same situation.
• 50:26
  That's yeah, it's a great way to put it.
• 50:27
  It's gotta fill. Up your goalie spot but not
• 50:29
  this. Not gonna excel.
• 50:31
  You're more reaping the rewards of the team as opposed to his
• 50:33
  quality. Absolutely.
• 50:35
  All right, let's get to what everyone is waiting for, which
• 50:38
  is the would you rather is would.
• 50:40
  You rather. So today I'm going to try to
• 50:42
  split the difference between me and Josh, but that's very hard
• 50:45
  because usually Josh, we're always on the same side about
• 50:47
  everything. So Jackie will miss you.
• 50:52
  You know, it's always hard to split.
• 50:53
  The difference was definitely harder between me and you then
• 50:55
  between me and yeah, yeah. I feel with just the part of his
• 50:58
  players on, he's always gonna pick up.
• 51:00
  Alexi Produce or Connor McDavid easy split the.
• 51:04
  Difference yeah exactly, but for for those that are new here, if
• 51:08
  you're listening for the first time, we got 5 would you rathers
• 51:11
  we go through one of every position so centre left wing,
• 51:13
  right wing, defenseman, goalie. I tried to pick names that are
• 51:16
  kind of you know, in the conversation around the league
• 51:19
  right now so hot names that could maybe be more contextual
• 51:22
  for you guys and just try to see where we're drawing the line in
• 51:24
  the rankings. So and also hopefully causing
• 51:28
  some thought provoking, you know, insight and hopefully
• 51:32
  makes you guys. I have some makes you.
• 51:34
  Think yeah makes. You think of it, well, let's get
• 51:37
  right into it. We're talking goalies right off
• 51:39
  the bat. You gotta know I gotta throw at
• 51:41
  least one of them in here. So would you rather Tristan
• 51:45
  Jarry or Spencer Night rest of season?
• 51:48
  I feel like I was generous with this one.
• 51:50
  I'm going. Jerry I mean, I thought I know
• 51:53
  that night started off the season super hot, but he was a
• 51:56
  cell high from the second he started flying, spreading his
• 51:59
  wings and flying this year, you know, he's definitely gone
• 52:02
  downhill in the. Sell high for a long time from
• 52:05
  us telling you guys like he cannot keep this up guys I know
• 52:08
  it's been like 2 months but he cannot keep this up.
• 52:10
  Absolutely so he's definitely starting to dip where we expect
• 52:14
  more this Bidart injury definitely doesn't help.
• 52:17
  Obviously that's only for the next you know, month hopefully,
• 52:20
  but you never know and Jari just you know he's been solid on
• 52:24
  Pittsburgh. He's the undisputed starter on
• 52:26
  Edmonton. And look, I'm not saying Jerry's
• 52:28
  the savior or anything like that, but I would prefer him
• 52:31
  overnight. My.
• 52:32
  My other my other honorable mentions that we're going to be
• 52:35
  harder, but I didn't want to go too.
• 52:36
  Word was Bobrowski or Tristan Jari.
• 52:41
  I gotta go with Bob on that one. OK, Yeah, I think.
• 52:44
  What about Lucas the Stylo? That's a good one, actually.
• 52:48
  I like that a lot, and that's really important.
• 52:51
  With Jerry, Yeah, yeah. No, no.
• 52:53
  It's good. I think I'm going.
• 52:57
  It's tough because I think like Jerry has so much upside, but
• 53:00
  it's hard to forget that he was on waivers like a season ago.
• 53:03
  And it's not like Edmonton has good defence.
• 53:05
  You know, they're a good team. They're gonna get wins, but I
• 53:08
  think I'm going to stall. I the way I've see it is Dostal
• 53:11
  has a much safer floor and Jari has a much higher ceiling.
• 53:15
  I'm also going to style, but actually that's where you can,
• 53:19
  you know, because I feel like the whole season has been
• 53:21
  ductile and Spencer Night are kind of in the same
• 53:23
  conversation. You know, just like goalies are
• 53:25
  excelling on teams that are below average, let's say.
• 53:28
  Yeah, but Anaheim, we're looking at them and I just believe.
• 53:30
  In Anaheim, a lot more, yeah. So yeah, but Jari, I feel like
• 53:34
  he's in that conversation where he's like one of the the mid
• 53:37
  level starters. I feel like at this point until
• 53:39
  the wheels fall off and everybody laughs at them.
• 53:42
  But for the moment, you gotta you gotta be a little more
• 53:45
  optimistic. Yeah.
• 53:46
  All right. #2 We're talking left wingers, OK?
• 53:52
  2. Guys that are on the same team
• 53:55
  for one of our fantasy teams, Seth Jarvis or Brandon Hagel,
• 54:00
  rest of season OHP. Jarvis for me.
• 54:02
  Easy is it? Just the power play deployment,
• 54:05
  even though Carolina just gets no power play points you.
• 54:07
  Know that I'm a power play slut, but yes I am.
• 54:11
  Also. The same.
• 54:13
  That's a big part of it, for sure.
• 54:15
  I just think everything Hagel's been doing is unsustainable.
• 54:18
  I think that. Hasn't been like a firing
• 54:21
  outfielders either. So yeah, I mean.
• 54:23
  Jarvis has been a bi lo and Hagel has been a cell high way.
• 54:26
  Like the way I see things shaking out is Hagel gets one
• 54:30
  point per game, maybe 1.1 over the like over the course of the
• 54:34
  season with pretty much 0 power play points, and then Jarvis
• 54:38
  gets also 1 to 1.1 but with power play points.
• 54:42
  So let's say similar points PowerPoint that goes to Jarvis,
• 54:46
  then Jarvis, how many more? Do you know how many PowerPoints
• 54:50
  Jarvis has this season? I.
• 54:52
  Know I know, Carolina is an off. You know how to play.
• 54:53
  How many power play points he has on the season?
• 54:58
  OK, well, I feel like anything ridiculously 11, Yeah, 10. 10 I
• 55:07
  got. Five try.
• 55:09
  Again. Three.
• 55:11
  Try again. One he's got. 2 He's got 2 power
• 55:18
  play points on the season. Guess how many short handed
• 55:20
  points he has on the season? 2 Yes.
• 55:24
  Isn't that crazy? What do you think about
• 55:25
  actually? Yeah, that's nuts for someone
• 55:27
  who's a lock on power play 1 to have that few PowerPoints.
• 55:29
  But Caroline has an awful power play.
• 55:30
  So OK, that's what I'm saying. Like he, like he still, I still
• 55:34
  have, he has the edge because he's on there, you know, as
• 55:36
  opposed to the eagle. Has four power play points, you
• 55:38
  know. I know, which is nuts.
• 55:41
  I'm still giving Jarvis the edge on power play points, but maybe
• 55:43
  it's not as big of a difference. And then Jarvis has.
• 55:46
  I think Jarvis has the hits advantage over Hagel and then
• 55:50
  the shots are. Definitely close, the shots are
• 55:52
  close, but he's got more chances.
• 55:54
  Hard drive says the triple eligibility um, but that's
• 55:57
  getting more into the weeds. They both have good the same
• 55:59
  place, but they're. Both left wing, right wing
• 56:00
  eligible, yeah. Look, honestly, you know, at
• 56:04
  first to me was a slam dunk, but actually it's a lot closer than
• 56:06
  I think. I'm still leaning Jarvis.
• 56:08
  I just think that like, he only has up to go from here and Hagel
• 56:11
  only has to go down from here. So even though it's super
• 56:13
  similar right now, by the end of the season it won't be as
• 56:16
  similar. The the Carolina power play
• 56:19
  needs to be studied by like professionals, first of all.
• 56:21
  But I'm with you. I'm on the Jarvis.
• 56:23
  I'm not. Currently running it Yes please
• 56:27
  but. Yeah, no, obviously I'm also on
• 56:29
  the drivers side. I just feel like the deployment
• 56:31
  is, you know, is like he has two power up on the season, but he's
• 56:35
  never been on P2. So it's kind of just like, you
• 56:37
  know, what do we what are we doing here?
• 56:39
  Like there's better days ahead. Obviously, even if they're not
• 56:41
  going to be one of the best power plays in the league.
• 56:44
  Yeah, Hagel is still a massive sell high.
• 56:46
  Like I said, I think he's he's my favorite entry point into
• 56:48
  like top three level kind of player because he's playing at a
• 56:53
  very high level. Has a little bit of name pull,
• 56:55
  but he's been slowing down. We've been talking about him
• 56:58
  being a cell high for a long time.
• 56:59
  So hopefully you guys are trying to do that.
• 57:01
  Hopefully it's done already. Hopefully.
• 57:03
  It's done already. Alright, what's next?
• 57:05
  Talking defenseman? We're going with some high
• 57:07
  rollers here. I'm trying to find the line
• 57:10
  between Evan Bouchard and Jake Sanderson rest of season.
• 57:14
  Wow. That's a really good one.
• 57:16
  That's right. We're.
• 57:16
  Talking banger categories, leagues, the best kind of
• 57:18
  leagues, guys. So that's why I'm talking, you
• 57:20
  know, you gotta take into account shots, hits, blocks,
• 57:23
  Yeah. Power play, OK.
• 57:25
  So in terms of back hats, Bouchard has the shots and
• 57:28
  Sanderson has the edge of blocks and then neither of them hits.
• 57:31
  So that's right off the bat then power play is actually similar.
• 57:36
  You'd think that Edmonton is like so much far and far and
• 57:39
  above, like beyond whatever, but it's actually Ottawa has an
• 57:42
  unreal power play as well. So I'll just say that's a wash.
• 57:45
  And then points wise, I think I still gotta give an edge to
• 57:47
  Bouchard. So at the end of the day, it's
• 57:50
  very similar. And I know you're gonna want me
• 57:52
  to say, you want me to say that Sanderson is a better playoff
• 57:54
  schedule. And so you gotta go.
• 57:56
  And you know what? I don't hate that.
• 57:58
  I think you can get Sanderson plus a small plus in a trade or
• 58:02
  even a big plus because of the name value.
• 58:04
  And I think you should do that. So I'm actually going Sanderson.
• 58:07
  I think Bouchard is always like for some reason, no matter where
• 58:10
  you draft him, when people talk about Bushard, he's like he's a
• 58:12
  top three defenseman. He's always he's a top three
• 58:14
  defenseman. Like you don't do the math on
• 58:16
  like who's who's there with him? It's like it's always Macar
• 58:18
  could use Werenski. That's already three guys and
• 58:20
  we're always Bouchards top three defensemen.
• 58:23
  So yeah, I definitely think that him and Sanderson are, are very
• 58:27
  similar in terms of, you know, fantasy value.
• 58:31
  But you always have to think about when you have a guy like
• 58:34
  this on your roster come playoff time, who are you going to want
• 58:37
  to have on your team? Is it the guy with three games
• 58:39
  or is the guy with four games if they're in a similar tier?
• 58:42
  If you're a team that, you know you're gonna make the playoffs,
• 58:44
  you know, playing a competitive league, these are type of
• 58:46
  decisions you have to make throughout the season that can
• 58:48
  actually influence, you know, how likely you are to win the
• 58:50
  championship. And it might not be pretty right
• 58:52
  now. It might be splitting feathers
• 58:53
  or whatever, but these are decisions that can win you a
• 58:57
  championship. So I think if you have Bush, you
• 58:59
  could potentially get Sanders in.
• 59:01
  Plus I have Sanderson. I feel like it's hard to get
• 59:04
  busted if you have Sanderson because he was drafted ahead of
• 59:07
  him. They're playing the same.
• 59:08
  So it feels like you need somebody playing better to kind
• 59:10
  of get it. Yeah, but if I have should much
• 59:13
  rather make a trade for Sanderson and maybe make it 2
• 59:16
  for two and make it seem like you're getting a double upgrade.
• 59:18
  So I. Love it.
• 59:20
  But that was a tough one, I feel like.
• 59:22
  Are you confident that the, you know, Ottawa PowerPoint may be
• 59:25
  better than the other power play rest of the season?
• 59:27
  It's definitely close. I really.
• 59:29
  Like the auto power play, I mean, that's why I mentioned.
• 59:31
  So I think it was last week or two weeks ago as my bi lo
• 59:34
  because the power play wasn't clicking and we know that they
• 59:38
  should be like a .4 power play points per game type of power
• 59:41
  play. So yeah, I have no doubt in my
• 59:43
  mind. Look, the Edmonton power play
• 59:44
  unreal as well, but but Ottawa are right up there with them.
• 59:48
  Or this next one might be spicy. It's a it's a little bit of a
• 59:52
  reality check because if you, if you guys have listened to
• 59:56
  previous, you know, news and updates and would rather
• 59:57
  episodes. I don't like repeating names.
• 1:00:00
  I like making, I like putting fresh blood into the
• 1:00:03
  conversation. But at some point actually.
• 1:00:04
  That's a good point. I mean I.
• 1:00:06
  I'm not trying to use the same players over and over.
• 1:00:07
  So unless it's been a while in the situation has changed.
• 1:00:09
  But this one I'm kind of making an exception because I feel like
• 1:00:12
  I've talked about this player either it was 2 episodes ago or
• 1:00:14
  maybe 3 episodes ago. OK, but the line is changing.
• 1:00:18
  I feel like we're updating our our information, but would you
• 1:00:22
  rather Mitch Marner or Kirill Marchenko rest of season?
• 1:00:26
  The last time I brought this up, it was Tage Thompson and
• 1:00:30
  everybody went Tage. So I feel like I'm lowering the
• 1:00:32
  bar a little bit and seeing where where's the pulse at?
• 1:00:36
  I think I gotta go Mariners still, Um, and I'd gone to each
• 1:00:40
  so like, yeah, not still, but I gotta go Marner on this one.
• 1:00:43
  If Marchenko was popping off like he was last year, hmm, then
• 1:00:48
  I'd be a lot more, a lot more difficult.
• 1:00:51
  The fact is that he's kind of a bi lo right now.
• 1:00:53
  So even though Martin's underperforming, so is
• 1:00:56
  Marchenko. And when two guys are
• 1:00:57
  underperforming, I'll go with the guy who has the higher
• 1:00:59
  ceiling, obviously. Just had a 3.9 yeah.
• 1:01:03
  You also. Just like lifting eligibility.
• 1:01:05
  He's left wing, right wing now, so.
• 1:01:07
  OK, that's that's very nice. Yeah, now I gotta go Mariner.
• 1:01:10
  It's just too big of a gap, and I know that matters.
• 1:01:13
  It sucks because when he doesn't put up points, he's literally
• 1:01:15
  like straight zeros, whereas Marchenko is like a shooting
• 1:01:17
  beast. But Vegas should be one of the
• 1:01:20
  top power plays and Columbus is honestly kind of a a bleep show
• 1:01:23
  right now. So I do like Marchenko as a
• 1:01:26
  Bilo. I still really like him, but I
• 1:01:27
  think Martin's too high on the. Season Mariners at 1.03,
• 1:01:31
  Marching was at 0.93. So Mariners actually has the
• 1:01:35
  edge on points over the season on average, but Marchenko has
• 1:01:38
  more power play points 0.36, Mars has 0.23 and the shot smart
• 1:01:43
  check almost double s him. It's like 1.7 to like 3.2.
• 1:01:47
  So the shots are obviously like a big question is just are we,
• 1:01:50
  do we expect the gap in points to be wider than it currently
• 1:01:54
  is? And do we expect the PowerPoint
• 1:01:56
  to be more even thanks to the power play?
• 1:01:59
  To be more even, I guess one kind of I guess pro and
• 1:02:02
  Marchenko fever for the power play because like there's no
• 1:02:04
  doubt in my mind that Vegas power plays way better than
• 1:02:06
  Columbus power play. But we love to talk about
• 1:02:09
  talismanic and you know, Marchenko will be involved in
• 1:02:13
  pretty much every single power play point that Columbus gets,
• 1:02:16
  which is why you see such a high average for him.
• 1:02:18
  Or as Vegas power play is so good that like all five players
• 1:02:22
  could get involved on any one of the points, which means more to
• 1:02:25
  spread more welcome to spread around.
• 1:02:27
  So less for anyone. So I'm still going Marner, but
• 1:02:29
  that is an argument for why the power play points might might
• 1:02:32
  play out like this. Yep.
• 1:02:34
  Definitely this definitely is a more of a slam dunk in a points
• 1:02:37
  league, but in a bangers league like those, those extra shots
• 1:02:40
  are like very valuable for the for the dipping, the dipping
• 1:02:43
  points when the gap it could be larger, it could be smaller.
• 1:02:46
  So yeah, absolutely. Alright, last one.
• 1:02:50
  We're talking centres here. This is the one that Josh sniped
• 1:02:54
  before recorded the podcast. But would you rather John
• 1:02:57
  Tavares, who's a major by low right now?
• 1:03:00
  We highlighted this on the recent Buy Low, Sell High
• 1:03:02
  episode, So go listen to that. Or the new hotness, Joel
• 1:03:06
  Erickson Eck, who is now playing with King Quinn Hughes.
• 1:03:10
  Yeah. I mean, I not to be the type of
• 1:03:14
  guy to just buy into the hype, but I gotta go with Eric snack
• 1:03:16
  here. The way I see it back, cats
• 1:03:18
  wise, they're almost an identical player.
• 1:03:19
  They're both unreal for for shots, face off wins, hits.
• 1:03:23
  So I'm not going to give either one of them the edge on that.
• 1:03:26
  And then it just comes down to points and power play points.
• 1:03:29
  No doubt in my mind Minnesota, like Ericsson is getting more
• 1:03:32
  power play points than Tavarus. Look, I think we all think that
• 1:03:35
  Toronto is going to improve their power play and I fully
• 1:03:37
  agree with that. But Minnesota's power play
• 1:03:40
  already one of the top in the league.
• 1:03:41
  You add Quinn Hughes, I don't see any way where it doesn't end
• 1:03:44
  top seven in the league and I don't think Toronto sniffing
• 1:03:47
  that. So power play points.
• 1:03:48
  I give the edge Derrickson ex currently playing line one with
• 1:03:51
  capris off and Boldy. I don't think that's gonna last,
• 1:03:54
  but I think it's going to flip back and forth throughout the
• 1:03:56
  season or as far as is never going to be line 1 because
• 1:03:59
  Matthews is line 1. So I think Eric Snack has will
• 1:04:04
  have better deployment for half the season when he's on line one
• 1:04:07
  on those who put in. Line on the Ross, Sir.
• 1:04:10
  So now you're off there. Like, I mean, he's, I don't
• 1:04:13
  think he's. Holding down the spot though, I
• 1:04:15
  don't think. Either of them are, I think the
• 1:04:17
  reason they're doing this right now is they're just loading up
• 1:04:19
  the first line. But when Marcus Johansson and
• 1:04:21
  Matt Zuccarello come back, they're going to be able to have
• 1:04:24
  two good lines. And I could see Erickson neck
• 1:04:26
  being on line 2 with let's say they split up bolting Kaprizov
• 1:04:30
  and they go Erickson act Boldy and Johnson and then they go
• 1:04:32
  you're of Kaprizov and and Zuccarello.
• 1:04:36
  So like I think that it's not it's not on lock, but the fact
• 1:04:39
  is he actually has a shot at having line 1 forest fires never
• 1:04:42
  will get it. So for all those reasons, I'm
• 1:04:43
  going Ericsson Ek. No it's crazy because Taurus is
• 1:04:46
  like almost always a point per game player even though he's
• 1:04:49
  never lined one anymore because obviously Austin Matthews is
• 1:04:52
  there but the power play usually is better and it helps like
• 1:04:55
  right now is a point 9.97 points per game on the season with .12
• 1:05:01
  power play points. Eric next .7 on the season of
• 1:05:04
  points .2 power play points. So like he has more power play
• 1:05:06
  points with less points healing. So it just goes to show like.
• 1:05:09
  Tavarius was still had such a good season with how bad he's
• 1:05:12
  been the last like a few weeks and if you.
• 1:05:14
  Look at the last few weeks, he's been abysmal.
• 1:05:16
  So that's why I'm kind of like, I feel like the points gap could
• 1:05:17
  be like realistically I'm expecting tomorrow to be better
• 1:05:21
  than .12 right now for Taveras. Like he could get to a point
• 1:05:25
  2.25. Yeah, I feel that's very
• 1:05:27
  reasonable. I don't see Ericsson egg getting
• 1:05:29
  to the .4 as I can see him getting like .3.
• 1:05:32
  Yeah, but then how much is the points gap?
• 1:05:34
  Difference between the points is terrace point per game player
• 1:05:37
  and Eric's next .8 point 7.75. It's honestly close given the
• 1:05:43
  back cats are also the same. They both have the same playoff
• 1:05:46
  schedule, so it's at least fair to compare that they both have
• 1:05:49
  about 333. Um, I'm still like you.
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  You almost playoff. Schedule to to Toronto though,
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  because they have off nights. That's well, you know, but we
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  also talk about. Doesn't move the needle so much
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  for me. In your shallower leagues.
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  It is tiny. Yeah, but.
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  But yeah, like you almost had me honestly convinced me to go
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  next. I'm just like about the
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  situation as well. It's just fun to be exposed as
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  well. Toronto feels like everyday like
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  more bad news happens but my gut is still tomato virus.
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  I think that's the that's the best one.
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  No, I mean, these are all great ones, but this was that was the
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  best one. I think I see your point of view
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  as well. So that's a super, super
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  interesting one. But all right, so that's gonna
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  difference between you guys as well, not only me, Josh and
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  Jake, you know? You can do also is you can do
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  polls on Spotify right? Yep.
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  Yep, so you can. Put the What your Father says
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  polls and see what people think there I.
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  Usually put one of the choices like the one that was the
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  hottest debate, put them there and see who picks what.
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  But but I, I honestly like people comment on Spotify and I
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  That's fair. That's podcast before.
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  I just feel like I didn't even realize it was a thing until we
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  started uploading podcast episodes and being like, oh,
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  It gives me another way to interact with you guys.
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