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Eagles In Crisis: Is It Time To Panic? (PST Episode 689) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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  Speaker 1: the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Over 13 and a half years strong. Got a great
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  Speaker 1: show this week, as we do every week. I'm Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Warren here at my buddy Len Hunsicker.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing, pal?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing well. Hopefully, everybody's having a good week out there.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing, Jeff?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Things are great. Life is great.
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  Speaker 1: Like, last week, Eric and I, I think we had
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  Speaker 1: about an hour discussion. It's what we call our hour
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  Speaker 1: therapy discussions. Len, you and I, it's basically about 35
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  Speaker 1: minutes of discussions prior.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I need right now during my life.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I need. I need this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I need this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I need this connectivity here. This is what I need.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got 20 days, man.
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  Speaker 1: 20 days of us recording this until election day.
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  Speaker 3: Sweet Jesus. And then if you're successful, then you get
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  Speaker 3: to do it all over again, however many years from now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, two years from now, right?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 2: Two years. Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds fun. Ah, yes.
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  Speaker 4: I kid.
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  Speaker 1: I joke folks, honestly, honor of a lifetime.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: It is. It really is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. The position absolutely is. Um, and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's just the whole campaigning thing just is, seems wild
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 5: It is.
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  Speaker 1: And being on the front lines of this type of
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  Speaker 1: race and it being such a high, higher profile race
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  Speaker 1: here in Pennsylvania, like on the state level, it just, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's intense. I'll say that right now. It's, it's, it's intense.
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  Speaker 1: The negative stuff stinks. I'm going to tell you that
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  Speaker 1: right now. Negative stuff stinks.
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  Speaker 3: You are in a very negative field. As I say
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  Speaker 3: to you all the time, I don't know how you
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  Speaker 3: do that or why.
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  Speaker 1: Or why.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You take the good with the bad at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose.
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  Speaker 2: It's more good, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose. It's the chance to be able to
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  Speaker 3: do good.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely. End of the day.
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  Speaker 1: So you're doing pretty good, though, right? Everything's going good
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  Speaker 1: for you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, yeah, nothing crazy going on. I'm just
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  Speaker 3: kind of same stuff every week, which isn't necessarily a
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  Speaker 3: bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of stress in my life
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  Speaker 3: right now, so.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: We may have stress in our life after this weekend
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  Speaker 1: because Eric is hosting his annual fantasy basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Fantasy basketball league that we are in. And I, I just,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to pick and bead for the second
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  Speaker 1: year in a row. I'm not going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it. Probably. I don't, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you should take him before round six.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, not you personally. I mean, anybody, anybody. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I love how Eric said on the text or
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm taking all sixers this year.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's the thing, like with, with, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: talented as a team as that is, I I'm scared
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  Speaker 3: to take anybody on that team because like, you don't
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  Speaker 3: know how they're going to play. You don't know who's
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  Speaker 3: going to get the majority of the shots and all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. And it's like, Until you watch them for
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  Speaker 3: a month, you kind of don't really know what to
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  Speaker 3: expect in terms of who's the alpha, who's sacrificing, all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. So it's just, yeah, the concept of taking them,
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  Speaker 3: anybody on that team, is a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: mystery right now.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Well, next week, folks, just to let you know, we
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  Speaker 1: are going to have our Sixers season preview. Yes, even
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  Speaker 1: though the first game of the season is next Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: we're still going to be dropping the Sixers season preview tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Next Thursday for our main show, we're going to have
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  Speaker 1: our good friend Sean Bernard from DraftKings, Fox Sports, Philly's
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  Speaker 1: The Gambler. He's over at Crossing Broad too. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to be jumping on to dive into.
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  Speaker 2: That with us.
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  Speaker 1: But Len, before we get into our first topic, we
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  Speaker 1: got to mention some Philly's talk right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have it on the agenda. Don Mattingly is
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  Speaker 2: coming back, and.
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  Speaker 1: It took a while for this Phillies front office to
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  Speaker 1: actually get the next manager, and the interim manager from
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  Speaker 1: this year is going to be the manager for the
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  Speaker 1: next two years, Raul Abanez. wanted to stay where he
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  Speaker 1: was at. There was some interest the Phillies had in
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  Speaker 1: bringing him on board. He said, nope, no thanks. Alex Cora,
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  Speaker 1: as we know, nope, no thanks.
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  Speaker 3: For the second time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, for the second time. Philly is a destination place
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  Speaker 2: for managers.
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  Speaker 1: Lennon doesn't necessarily seem to be the place to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I didn't realize that they were looking
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  Speaker 3: at Ibanez. I knew once the second time Cora said no.
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  Speaker 3: I had a feeling it was going to be Mattingly.
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  Speaker 3: And I think a lot of it has to do with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the uncertainty of next year. You don't know,
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  Speaker 3: is there going to be a next year? If there is,
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  Speaker 3: when does it start?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so. Having somebody there that's familiar that you
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  Speaker 3: can kind of hit the ground running with, everybody knows,
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  Speaker 3: everybody knows what he expects out of them, isn't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: the worst thing in the world. I think he did
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  Speaker 3: a good job once he took over for Thompson. Did
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  Speaker 3: he make some mistakes? Yeah, but most managers do. That's
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  Speaker 3: going to happen. I don't– I'm not– I was never a, oh,
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  Speaker 3: got to get rid of Mattingly guy. If they kept him,
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  Speaker 3: they kept him. If they moved on from him, they
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  Speaker 3: moved on from him.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan just because of how he used
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  Speaker 1: the– I mean, it just is bullpen decisions. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they were pretty bad. They were pretty bad all season.
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  Speaker 1: And then again, the bullpen was bad too.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah. You were given a pack of options– And
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  Speaker 3: most of them are options that you have zero confidence in.
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  Speaker 3: So what do you do? I, you know, yeah, there's
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  Speaker 3: some decisions that, that, you know, could probably be made differently,
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  Speaker 3: but really I have a hard time, you know, blaming
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  Speaker 3: him for, for bullpen decisions when your bullpen is utter garbage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what the, you know, outside of Duran immune
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  Speaker 3: from a blow and a save himself, you know, every
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  Speaker 3: now and again, Um, there really aren't a lot of
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  Speaker 3: reliable options there. So, I mean, it is what it
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  Speaker 3: is there. It's nothing, nothing much you can do about that.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into more Phillies talk this coming
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  Speaker 1: Monday on the table talk interview show. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: have destiny Legardo from Phillies nation.com. We're going to kind
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  Speaker 1: of dive into some of this stuff a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more folks. Um, so on this particular show, Len and I,
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  Speaker 1: we want to dive into this Philadelphia flyers team.
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  Speaker 2: They are horrendous. And I don't think any of us
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  Speaker 2: expected this.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about them, but then we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about something good, which is the Philadelphia Union.
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  Speaker 1: They're the only team that is giving us any sort
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  Speaker 1: of hope. We're going to give our thoughts on this
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  Speaker 1: incredible run by this team. And I believe they're playing
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  Speaker 1: right now as we are recording this Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 3: Game's over. They have won. They won three to one.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, another, another win in the bank.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. We're going to talk about this team and just,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they are the hope.
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  Speaker 1: They are the hope within the Philadelphia area for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Because then we're going to be ending our discussion, not
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  Speaker 1: just with Len, but it's what we're throwing down on
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  Speaker 1: the table this week. Some Eagles talk here. Eagles are
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  Speaker 1: having major issues with, There's so many of them. Len
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  Speaker 1: and I are going to give our thoughts on this
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  Speaker 1: team as they're getting ready to play some important divisional
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  Speaker 1: games after this upcoming Panthers game. And then Lou DiBiase
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  Speaker 1: from the Locked On Eagles podcast is going to join
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  Speaker 1: us for a very in-depth discussion about the birds, offense, defense,
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  Speaker 1: and all these problems that they're having heading into week six. So, Len,
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  Speaker 1: let's start with the Philadelphia Flyers here. Holy freaking crap.
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  Speaker 1: Holy crap. As of us recording this, on Wednesday, October 14th, folks,
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  Speaker 1: the Flyers still have not won a game.
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  Speaker 2: They have still not won a game. And they have played, what,
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  Speaker 2: seven at this point?
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  Speaker 3: Eight. I'm sorry. They lost in overtime to Seattle last night.
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  Speaker 3: So zero wins, five losses in regulation, three losses in overtime.
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  Speaker 3: They have as many wins as we do in the
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  Speaker 3: NHL right now.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot believe Rick Tockett is still... On this payroll.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe it, Len. I can't believe he's still here.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't they? Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Who was the coach that they let go after like three,
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  Speaker 1: three loss, three or four losses years ago?
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  Speaker 3: Was it lobby?
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  Speaker 2: There was a lobby. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, cause he had a couple of good
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  Speaker 3: years and then they, they got off to a really
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  Speaker 3: bad start and they were like, okay, let's cut the cord.
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  Speaker 3: At what point do they do that? I, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know when to put this in there. in terms of
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  Speaker 3: when to mention it, but you said we're going to be,
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  Speaker 3: cause we're going to be talking about the Eagles should,
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  Speaker 3: should draft Kings or somebody open up a thing of
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  Speaker 3: who gets fired first, talk it or Sirianni. I mean, it's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, both of them have, you can
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  Speaker 3: make arguments for both of them at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Look, the worst winless streak to begin a
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  Speaker 2: season is 11 games. Looked it up.
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  Speaker 1: It was held by the New York Rangers in 1943,
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  Speaker 1: 1944 season.
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  Speaker 2: And that streak lasted. nearly a full month.
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  Speaker 1: It actually began on October 30th, 1943.
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  Speaker 2: Running through November 27th, 1943. So I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, look, this team, the way that they are playing
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  Speaker 1: and yes, they did look a little bit better against
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  Speaker 1: the Kraken, but the way they're playing, they could, they
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  Speaker 1: very well could take that Rangers 1943 streak and, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they can, they could give that streak a run for
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  Speaker 1: their money here. I think, I think it could happen
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  Speaker 1: because this team looks like complete dog shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there have been some games where they're, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, where, where they, they look somewhat competitive. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there was a game against Ottawa a little while back.
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  Speaker 3: There was this game against Seattle last night and other
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  Speaker 3: games where they are just getting mauled and and not
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  Speaker 3: that they're getting mauled because they're less talented which you
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  Speaker 3: know they are we're against some of these teams but
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  Speaker 3: they're getting mauled and they're not giving any effort at
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  Speaker 3: all um and and they're not showing any fight at.
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  Speaker 2: All it's the way they're playing yes is the.
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  Speaker 3: Cardinal sin amongst the flyers fan base if you're not
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  Speaker 3: showing any fight like i think um A couple of
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  Speaker 3: nights ago, like Tyson Forrester was getting kind of pummeled
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  Speaker 3: a little bit and nobody jumped in. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: nobody made that guy pay for it. So stuff like
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  Speaker 3: that where it's just like, I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to accuse, you know, them of laziness, but like
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  Speaker 3: it almost feels like there was this thing of like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we broke through, we made the playoffs. We even won
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  Speaker 3: a round. We're it. This is what we're going to,
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  Speaker 3: this is perennially. This is what's going to happen now.
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  Speaker 3: All we got to do is just show up and
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  Speaker 3: we'll be a playoff team. And, and they're, they're, they
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  Speaker 3: were a bubble playoff team that essentially ran it back.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't make any changes, you know, to the roster
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  Speaker 3: really that much.
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  Speaker 2: Because the hope is development. That's what it is. The
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  Speaker 2: hope is that they were.
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  Speaker 3: Actually going to develop. But you're going to have some
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  Speaker 3: regression of the mean. You're going to have some other
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  Speaker 3: teams that are going to come up that maybe had
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  Speaker 3: a bad year last year that are going to have
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  Speaker 3: a good year this year. And that's going to maybe
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  Speaker 3: come at the expense of your spot. So that's all stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there should never have been any kind of
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  Speaker 3: feeling of, okay, we're a playoff team now. We're good.
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  Speaker 3: They are the very definition of a bubble team. And
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  Speaker 3: it's funny because I still, even with this awful start,
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  Speaker 3: it feels like the Flyers are always a team that
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  Speaker 3: are good for like one or two, 10 game streaks
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  Speaker 3: where they don't win a game. And then also in
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  Speaker 3: the same season, one or two, 10 game streaks where
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  Speaker 3: they don't lose a game. Like they're very streaky and
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  Speaker 3: you usually get one or two of those streaks, you know,
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  Speaker 3: of each of them per season. So there's, it's, it's
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  Speaker 3: funny to say, and cause it's so hard to see now, But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe it'll take Tockett getting fired for that
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  Speaker 3: to happen. But there's going to come a time in
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  Speaker 3: the season where I know it because it happens every
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  Speaker 3: year with them where it's like, OK, they suck. Let's
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  Speaker 3: start looking at who the big prospects are. Let's you know,
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  Speaker 3: who could they draft as their number one defenseman or
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  Speaker 3: number one center of the future? Yeah. And right when
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  Speaker 3: you have that thought. That's when they get hot as
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  Speaker 3: shit and they, and they, they go on one of
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  Speaker 3: those 10 game, you know, win streaks and then they're
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  Speaker 3: kind of middle of the pack again. And that it
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  Speaker 3: happens every year. And I fully expect it to happen
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  Speaker 3: again this year.
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  Speaker 1: You used the word. And I don't think it's this word.
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  Speaker 1: And you also said you don't think it is either,
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  Speaker 1: like laziness. There's a difference between laziness and, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they're being lazy, but there's no fire.
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  Speaker 2: There's no spark. There's a difference between those two things.
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  Speaker 2: And when you have no spark and when you don't
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  Speaker 2: have that fire, I think that comes down to the coach.
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  Speaker 1: Coaches need to do that for their teams, especially this
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  Speaker 1: team where expectations were There's going to be development happening
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  Speaker 1: this year. And that's probably why they're running it back
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  Speaker 1: with the same guys. Younger core of guys are going
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  Speaker 1: to end up developing more. So we need to have
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  Speaker 1: that spark coming from a leadership perspective.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not there. Rick Tockett should be gone at
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  Speaker 2: this point. That's where I'm at.
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  Speaker 1: He should be gone to get and bring somebody in
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  Speaker 1: who is going to be able to give this young
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  Speaker 1: core a spark.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they need.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, or I don't know if it's accountability
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  Speaker 3: thing or, or what you have to do, but, or,
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  Speaker 3: and not, you know, not trying to be like a,
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  Speaker 3: you know, old school meathead fan, but like, get in
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  Speaker 3: a fight, like get, you know, like when, when Forrester's
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: getting his ass kicked, somebody should jump in and maul somebody.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to go back to thug hockey
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  Speaker 3: or anything like that, or, you know, 1975 or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: but like, you know, when something like that happens, that
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  Speaker 3: should be a galvanizing thing where somebody steps in and
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  Speaker 3: handles business and make somebody pay for doing something like that.
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  Speaker 3: And then the team, galvanizes a little bit and comes together. And, and,
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  Speaker 3: and that kind of gives everybody the kick in the ass, like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, let's go. Like, but I just, I don't
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: see it. It's, it's, it's a very lifeless team right now.
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  Speaker 2: It absolutely is. That's a great way to describe it. Lifeless.
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  Speaker 1: They are completely lifeless, but I'll tell you right now,
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  Speaker 1: as we are segueing into the next topic, there's a
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  Speaker 1: team that is not lifeless here.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the only one in.
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia thus far, you know, six or season hasn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: started yet.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But the Philadelphia union, holy cow, everybody, the Philadelphia union,
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  Speaker 1: thank goodness for them again, again, the only team that's
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  Speaker 1: really giving us any hope here.
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  Speaker 2: My gosh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they, uh, real salt Lake. Uh, they took
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: it to them winning two, one. Did they win two,
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  Speaker 1: one tonight as well?
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  Speaker 3: No, it ended up being three to one, three to one.
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  Speaker 3: And the good thing is, you know, it's, it's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's a team taking advantage of an opportunity. So there
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: was a point in the, at the end of the
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  Speaker 3: first half where Chicago scores a goal, um, goes up one, nothing, uh,
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  Speaker 3: shortly afterward, one of their players, Jack Elliott, gets a
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: red card and gets booted from the game. So they're
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  Speaker 3: now down a man for the rest of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: And the union, okay, there's an advantage. We're going to
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: take it. We're going to make them pay, and that's
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: what good teams do. That's what you should always expect
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: your teams to do when they're given an advantage and
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: they came back in the second half with three goals,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: one from Malosky and two from Bruno Damiani. So, yeah,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what you need to have in a
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: good team. This team is going to, okay, this happened.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: This is something we can capitalize on, and we're going
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: to do it. And when somebody gives you something, You
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: take it. Yeah. And you you you make it, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: work to your advantage. And that's what they did tonight.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Bruno is absolutely killing it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And look, before this particular game on the night of
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the 14th of October here, you can go back to
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: right before or I'm sorry, right after the World Cup break,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: 13 games unbeaten going all.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: The way back to July 22nd.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: It's 14 now, yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Now it's 14.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, my gosh. What is it? They've won eight
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: games in a row here, I believe, at this point.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Franchise records. Franchise records here at this point. The 2020,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the 2022, the 2025 teams never put streaks like this together.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how many points they actually have
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: right now at this point, but they took 35 of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: 39 points during that run, during the 13 games.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is. right now with the
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: 14th game, which is absolutely insane.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: It is crazy. 45 points on the season. They're in
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: sixth place in the East. They were in 15th. They
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: were in dead last. Now they're in six. So yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, they, they've man, everything, everything you can ask
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: a team to do. And it's, it's, it's kind of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a lesson, I guess, for, um, you know, the flyers,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: anybody who's well, because the team.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Completely saved their season because they weren't afraid to fire
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: their coach. And yes, it helped that they brought back
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Kai Wagner, who's a top three union player of all time,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: maybe top two player of all time, but they weren't
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: afraid to fire their coach and look what happened.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's also a lesson for, you know, maybe
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: some of us in the fan base, you know, you
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: take a guy like, like Damiani who, you know, had
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: a couple of goals tonight. He's had during this run,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: he's been scoring quite a bit. And it's like earlier
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: this year before the world cup break. And even last
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: year it was like, he's not doing anything. It's like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: who the hell is this guy that you brought in
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: to be your striker? That's just not doing anything. And then,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes maybe, you know, you know, As somebody
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: that's always trying to learn more about this sport that
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to watch more of, it's just like, okay,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: is it something with a fit where it takes a
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: while for a new guy to get into a system?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Or maybe it was once they changed managers, maybe this
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: system works better for him. But yeah, Damiani is going
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: from a guy who was like, oh my God, this
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: guy was terrible that they brought him in to. Now
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: he's scoring for him all the time. Yeah. It's great.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Just goes to show you.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And when we get back, folks, we're going to get
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: into some Philadelphia Eagles talk. We're going to bring things
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: down a bit. We're going to bring things down with
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: this Eagles team. Stick around for the bitch fest. Stick
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: around for the negadelphia. It's coming your way.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Stick with us. We are back to talk about the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And this season, as we are looking towards week six,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: this team's going to be facing the Carolina Panthers, who
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: has a quarterback, by the way, on an incredible hot
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: streak and has seemed to actually hit his stride, is
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: really understanding the game of football in his fourth season.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: He's looking at a contract year. And I'm talking about
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young. My gosh, he's one of the best quarterbacks
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: in the league heading into week five. He's coming off
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: a bye week. The whole team coming off a bye week.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles coming back from London after a horrendous
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: loss that was Nick Sirianni's fault, and rightfully so, admitting
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that it was his fault, having Jake Elliott not kick
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the ball into the end zone at the end of
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the game, which led the Jaguars to, and the Eagles
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: special teams failing, led the Jaguars to kick a last-second
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: field goal where the Eagles are now two and three
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: on the season. It's a disaster, Len. There's a lot
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: of rebuild going on in the middle of the season
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: with the offensive line. Jalen Hurts not always looking as
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: good as a Super Bowl MVP looks. You got a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: talent in Giad Campbell. who looks horrendous in pass coverage. Thankfully,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the pass rush is coming on a bit. Jalen Carter
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: looked really excellent last week, looking like his 2024 form.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: But man, it's tough to watch this team because they're
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: doing the same shit over and over every week. Second
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: half of games, they are the worst in the league
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in terms of offensive productivity, number 32 in the league.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Same shit over and over, man. I'm going to be
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: talking about it with Lou, but man, it's tough to
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: watch this team.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad. I mean, I was at work and
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I was watching the game against Jacksonville. It was 9.30
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: kickoff because it's in London. I was like, oh, okay, cool.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'll watch the whole thing. And I did. And yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: especially in the second half, there was really points where
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh my God, this offense is so hard
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: to watch. And it's tough because you're doing basically an
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: offensive line rebuild on the fly. And it's just like
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Hurst can't do anything without getting sacked. And it's tough,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you know. You think of those Super Bowl years, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: you went from Prime Lane Johnson and Jason Kelsey at
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the end of his career and ascending Jordan Mailata and
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: healthy Landon Dickerson to what they have now, which is just... Man,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: it's just a.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It's an assorted cast of characters, it seems.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not even the same thing. So it's just like...
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much of it I put on
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. I mean, it's really... it doesn't seem fair
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: to put that much on him because, you know, he's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: got a bunch of guys that are basically learning their
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: way through the NFL, protecting him. And it's just, it's
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: not a good situation. And the play calling isn't great.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: You know, and I know Mannion's already like, didn't he
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: leave and not speak to, you know, reporters because basically
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Sirianni started calling the plays.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: This is what I understand. So, so, okay. So there's
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: a riff there that's now starting. Um, it's just bad. It's,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: it's bad all the way around. Um, yeah. And then
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: it feels like this is two weeks in a row. Cause, um,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it feels like two years in a row, but I mean,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Sirianni can, can be blamed for basically losing the games
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: with the way he coached. I mean, and, and.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to be, I'm going to be
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: talking to Lou a little bit, a little bit later
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: here in the show about this. And I, I, See,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I go back and forth with this because I'm like, man,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: they've been to the playoffs every year. Two of those
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: years went to the Super Bowl. And I'm going to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: bring this up to Lou and see what he has
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to say. But I wonder if after a certain period
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of time, certain things just get old and they get stale,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: no matter what the resume says.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And that's how I'm feeling right now.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, my God, this guy was able to not
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: just go to two Super Bowls in Nick Sirianni.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: He was able to go to two Super Bowls, win
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: one of.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Them, Jalen Hurts being an MVP and in that game
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: where he played lights out and yes, he had a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: fantastic offensive line in front of him, but I wonder
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: if it gets stale after a while, even with the successes.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: It could be, it could very well be. Um, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: it's tough cause I have that same thought of like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: you know, if you go, let's say, you know, you
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: go back in time 15 years and you, you talk
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: to all of us and you say, you're going to
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: have a coach, who in his first five years, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: go to the playoffs every year, you go to two
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Super Bowls, you win one, you lose one, you're good
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: every single year, and then in year six, you fire
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: him partway through. The majority of us would be like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: he did all that and you're firing him? What? But
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I get it. I get it. And I saw another
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: thing where it's like, this is the Eagles record under
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Sirianni when you had Shane Steichen and Kellen Moore as
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: your offensive coordinator. really like gaudy record and this is
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: their record with every other offensive coordinator and it was
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: just like it was was it maybe their scheme and
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: and what they did and obviously the talent around them
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: too yeah because those teams were way more talented than
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: it seems like this team is right now particularly with
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: all the injuries right so you know is is is
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: maybe some of that some of that success that sirianni
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: had should it be more attributed to some of his
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinators that came and went once they won a
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl and got a better job.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It's a very good point. It's a good point.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But I mean, the biggest theme, and again, I'm going
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to talk to Lou about it too, but I think
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it's important for us to really hone in on is
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the third down issue, the third and out rate at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this point. Look, you go back to 2022, the third
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and out rate for the Eagles, again, 2022, 28%. That
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was seventh in the NFL. Then move to the next year, 2023. 31.1%.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That's 11th in the league, 2024, 32%. That's 17th in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the league. See where this is trending. Things are getting
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a little worse. 2025 last year, it was 38.2%, which
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was 28th in the league. Now this year, their third
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and out rate is 45.3% last in league 32nd league.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It's it, this isn't sustainable.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: It's not sustainable and you know, Jeffrey Lurie is not
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: going to be happy with this at all. He's an
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: offensive guy. He wants to see passing yards. You need
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: passing yards during the course of your second half. That's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: not happening, especially when you have, well, and with the injuries,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: especially once, especially once.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: You get down in a game and you have to
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: throw the ball and the other team knows you have
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: to throw the ball. Yes. Yeah. It becomes much harder
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: because you're, you're more predictable as an offense. And also again,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Your line sucks. So, you know, he's got to stand
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: back there and get time to fall that he's not getting,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: you know, what do you, what do you do? How
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: do you, how do you fix that in season? I
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you do it because the Eagles
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: offensive line has allowed a 45.6% pressure rate this season.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That is 31st in the NFL.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Like, and you're also doing it when, when, you know, your,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: your first wide receiver and your first running back are,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: are out injured.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Like you can't get the run game going.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You can't get the run game going, especially with this
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: past week in the second half.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: When they carried the ball, your best offensive linemen are gone.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: They carried the ball.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Best makers are gone. Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: When you carry the ball eight times for six yards
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and a half, that's not good.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It's hard to do.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It's hard to do.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: You're, you're essentially asking Hertz to make chicken salad out
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: of chicken shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's just not going to work.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, we could sit here and bitch and moan
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: about this team until the cows come.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Home even more.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Do you have any more? I, I, I just, I,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just tough because you're just like, you know, your,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: your team can always go through a rough patch and
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. But if you can like look down
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the road a little bit and maybe see something, it's like, okay, they're,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: they're going to get untracked at this point. But you
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: look at, again, your offensive line is gone. Your playmakers
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: are gone. How does that happen? I don't know. At
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: what point does it just like, okay, every team has
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: that year where everything goes wrong, everybody gets hurt, and it's, okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: it's a reset year. It's going to be a rebuild
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: year kind of a little bit. Yeah. And this might
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: just be what we're walking into here with this team.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: The trade deadline is less than a month away. November
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: 10th is the NFL trade deadline. I would not be
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: surprised at all if we see a new offensive lineman,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: somebody who's a bit solid, because if you look at
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the Eagles' 2028 draft picks, two first-rounders, two second-rounders.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: There are assets there.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: So you're saying you're, you're thinking that they, that they
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: might be buyers.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I think, I think they're definitely going to be a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: buyer before the trade deadline this year to get somebody
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: who is a really good either center or left guard
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: who can say, or even right guard. I mean, Tyler Steen,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he's not really developing into a, I mean, this team
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: misses McKay Becton big time.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: They really do. Uh, But I think.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: He's going to be a buyer, and I think he's
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: going to be using some of those draft picks perhaps
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: to get a top-quality center or even, who knows, maybe
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: even a right tackle.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's tough because I thought maybe they'll sell a
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: little bit in order to get more picks and kind
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: of build the team out. Yeah. But it's tough because
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I have guys in my work that are Cowboys fans,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and we'll go at each other a little bit and
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: make fun of each other. We're laughing because it was
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: just like, your team sucks, my team sucks. Washington and
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: New York just tied. It was like, nobody wants to
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: win this division. So, I mean, that's the weird thing
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: is as bad as things are for the Eagles right now,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: technically it's still there in front of them if they
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: can get right. I mean, it is technically still there.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is one of those years where like, it
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: feels like every year there's a division where like the, the,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: whoever wins the division and makes it in the playoffs
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: is either like 500 or a game on the 500. Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: That might be the NFC East this year. Who knows? Yeah.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: We've seen it before. It's happened before in the past.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Look at the giants. I mean, giants are leading the division,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: but they're starting quarterbacks out for the year. So, You know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: The Panthers, who the Eagles are playing this week, last
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: year they were 8-8 and won their division and went
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it can happen. It can happen, folks.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, let us know what you're
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: thinking about this Eagles team. The Flyers, who we talked
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: about earlier, leave us some comments below about the union
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: as well. And we'd love to hear from you. In fact, Len,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't have it on the agenda because I was
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: just checking the PST email a little later in today.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But we got an email from a gentleman, Francis Sweeney,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: who has emailed us on occasion before. He was over
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: at the London game. And he was describing it. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: just want to read it really quick here. He said, Howdy, gents.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Not sure if you could tell from the broadcast this
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: past week, Eagles-Jags game, but we absolutely took over that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: stadium and the city. Birds fans everywhere all weekend. It
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was incredible to be a part of it. And we
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: were clearly getting to the Jaguars offense as they were
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: doing silent counts for the majority of the game. Probably
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: about 80% Birds fans inside, 10% Jags fans outside. and
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: 10% general football fans wearing random jerseys are just happy
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to see a game. They actually ran out of draft
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: beer in our section by halftime.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: London is such an awesome city. Not that much more
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: travel time than flying to the West Coast for the game.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I'd be pumped to do another trip like this next season.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe not if it meant costing a home game. Our
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: fan base travels so well, and I would not be
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: surprised if the league asked Laurie to support this on
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the reg today. Hopefully we can get this offense sorted
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: out fast. Yes, absolutely with you, Francis. Thanks so much
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: for shooting us off an email there. Francis Philadelphia sports
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: table at gmail.com is where you can email the show.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: We'd love to respond to it here on the pod.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, great email.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I love hearing from folks that go overseas like Francis
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: did talk about his time there out of beer by halftime.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can, you can say a lot of
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: things about the Eagles and how they're doing, but they're, Man,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: their fan base travels. I've seen plenty of games where
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: it's like, even out on the West Coast, where it's
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: like the Eagles fan base is noticeably there. You can
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: hear them. They've had some games against the, I think
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: one or two games against the Chargers out West where
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: it was like, this sounds like an Eagles home game.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: They definitely travel and they represent the team well for
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: as much you know, uh, flack is, is that fan
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: base gets, you know, over the years, you know, Oh,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: they're thugs, blah, blah, blah. I mean, they travel, they
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: support the team.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Um, they, they do everything you could want as a fan. So, uh,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: that the, the fan base is the least of the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Eagles problems right now.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: One of the best fan bases in the world, for sure.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Arguably the best fan base in my opinion. So that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: being said, buddy, I'm going to let you go. And
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: then we're going to get to our conversation with, uh,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Lou DiBiase. You got, you got anything, uh, as you're
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: heading out of here?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Um, yeah, maybe if you're, if you're going to contact
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the show and who gets fired first, Sirianni or talk it,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: maybe we make it a poll question.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You know what? I should put a poll question up on, on,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. I'll do that for sure.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: All right, buddy.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to let you go, folks. We're going to
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: take a break.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: When we get back, Lou DiBiase from the locked on
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Eagles podcast joins the show.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Stick with us. And now on the table.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Joining us this week to dive into this Philadelphia Eagles team. Yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we have to get into it because the expectations were
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: high coming into this season. As we head into week six,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: we know where the expectations are for this team. The
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: confusion surrounding the Philadelphia Eagles. with us fans and also,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I would imagine, with the team in the front office
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: as well as we are moving forward here.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Joining us from the.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Locked On Eagles podcast over at the Locked On Network.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Always enjoy listening to his voice on the Locked On
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Eagles podcast. I subscribe on Apple Podcast. You can also
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: subscribe on YouTube if you're watching us there and whatever
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: audio podcast platform you're listening to us on. We've got
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the one and only Louie DiBiase, my friend. Thanks for
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: joining us here for this discussion that I'm not sure
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: how it's going to go, but man, what a season.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it, man. It's been a tough five
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: weeks for sure. It just feels very Groundhog's Day-like compared
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: to 2025. It just feels like we're kind of covering
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: the same game over and over, and.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to lose my mind.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Over and over and over.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It's great to see you, buddy, and it's great to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: hear your voice as well. Look, we've got to get
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: into the first storyline here. And I really want to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: talk about the injuries on this team. And from the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: standpoint of, yes, some teams get very unlucky with injuries
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: during the course of their seasons. You know, we've seen
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: this time and time again with teams like San Francisco 49ers.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But I do wonder, Lou, how much of this really
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: has to deal with the starters not playing during preseason
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: games and really kind of getting into that quote football
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: shape to start the season. What are your thoughts on
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: this storyline in this narrative as this team has been
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: just decimated by injuries as we head into week six?
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is crazy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: It feels like the Eagles have been the healthiest team
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: in football since 2021. It's been a big reason they've
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: been able to sustain a certain level of success, you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: making the playoffs every year, going to two Super Bowls
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: and winning one. They've got a younger roster. Their medical
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: staff has improved and they've been very healthy. But it
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: does feel like, you know, you mentioned the 49ers and.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: even going back to 2018 and 2019, 2020, the Eagles,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: there's just certain times an NFL team deals with an
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: insane amount of bad luck with injuries.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: And maybe you're right.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: That part of it is just, these guys are not
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: ready to go as much as they used to be
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: in September.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: But again, I don't know.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, just when you see how many injuries there
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: are on both sides of the ball and it's some
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: older players, right? Like, uh, you know, Jonathan Grenard, a veteran,
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Atlanta Dickerson, a veteran, but then it's, you know, younger
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: players too. It's tough to pinpoint exactly what the main
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: reason is. There's just sometimes seasons like this, where you're
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: not always going to have the bill of health you've
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: had for the last six years. And we saw that
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: after super bowl 52, sometimes you have to overcome injury
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: adversity and And right now the Eagles are dealing with
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: that the same way they did those three years.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: When you're looking at your fourth string running back to
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: start games, I mean, you're really in a crappy situation.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Third string center. I mean, it's, it's a lot to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: overcome for sure.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Well, look, the next storyline Lou, I want to dive
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: into is the constant theme that everyone is discussing. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: we even, we even touched on it before we hit
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the record button as well. The drop off in the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: second half of games where this offense can't do a thing.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: A recurring theme over and over and over again, it seems.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Like for the past two years, At this point, this
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Eagles offense is currently ranked number 32 in yards during
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the second half of games. And as Zach Berman recently reported,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the difference between them and the number 31 team, who
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: is actually Minnesota, is greater than the difference between the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: number 31 team and the number 12 ranked team in
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: this regard. That is how far behind they are. And
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it is a huge problem as this team is moving
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: forward this season. Just this past week in the game
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: against the Jacksonville Jaguars, there were eight carries, eight carries
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: for six yards in the second half, which is it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: really hard to do for a professional football team, quite frankly. Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Can they actually fix this with when the offensive coaching
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just hasn't done anything.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: To alter this trajectory here?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: This is the main storyline here heading into week six.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And again, been prevalent over the past couple of years.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here, Lou? I wish I could say, yes,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: there's a way to fix it. But like you said,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: this has been an issue since week one of 2025.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And the old identity of the Eagles is not coming
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: back anytime soon. They're not going to get back to
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the 2024 elite rushing team that was able to put
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: games away easily. Like that offensive line is not coming back.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Prime Lane Johnson is back.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Gone.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: He's retired, right? Landon Dickerson, I think is a shell
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: of who he used to be. You traded away. Cam Juergens,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Tyler Steen is not McKay Becton. Jordan, my Lada is
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: still great, but that's the only constant you still have left.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: And these coaches, this quarterback, they've not been able to
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: find a new identity. They've not been able to find
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: different answers than the one. It's like a pitcher in baseball.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, they had a fastball But they don't have
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: a change up. They don't have a curveball. They don't
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: have those other answers. And that is why you've seen
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: what you have seen these last two years. When a
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: team adjusts at halftime, the Eagles offense just completely breaks.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: And it's so unique in the history of football because
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: you've seen a lot of inept offenses.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: In the league throughout league history, right? When they just
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: can't move the football at all.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: It amizes what you just said. And I don't even
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: think we've seen this from the Cleveland Browns.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: And the difference is like, we've seen teams this bad
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: in the second half of games, but I've never seen
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: a team that's very productive in the first half that
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: has the track record. The Eagles do that are this inept.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Like I did not know that stat. You said of
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: the difference between 31 and 32 is more than 12
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: to 31. Like that's how bad the Eagles are. But
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: in the first half of games, Jalen hurts is actually
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: fourth in the league and EPA per play.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It's crazy quarterback.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: And then in the second half, he's 31st.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: That is that kind of dramatic shift in a half
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: is one of the most unique things I've ever seen
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: in football. But it is a direct connection to the
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: quarterback and the head coach just not being able to
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: find answers and elevate this team when an offensive line
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: in a run game cannot carry you. And now they're
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: asking a first time play caller again, two years in
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: a row to solve things for them. And it's too
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: much for that coach. And that is why you're in
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: the situation you're in. And if it does not change,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: if it continues in this dramatic way, I don't know
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: who's going to get replaced at some point, but jobs
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: will be lost. Knowing the way Jeffrey Lurie thinks about offense,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: dealing with this for two years in a row, he
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: won't deal with it for a third season.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting how you mentioned the fact that they
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: have a first year play caller again in Sean Mannion,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: as they did last year with Kevin Petullo. but we
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: really do kind of see the same type of schematic
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, prowess, you would say, you know, from coach
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to coach. And it leads me to believe, really, is
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: this Nick Sirianni's offense that's being run? Yes, we are
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: seeing more pre-snap motion. Yes, we are seeing some more
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: intermediate routes being run. And Jalen Hurts completing those passes
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: on a weekly basis, which has been welcoming. But I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: don't know if the overall offensive schematic, again, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: direction this team is going is really any different.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that is also on
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: the quarterback too, though. I think Jalen hurts, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: they're calling more plays over the middle of the field,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: but he's actually attempting less plays over the middle than
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: he was last year.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Even though Sean Nannion is hiked up the percentage of
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: routes going over the middle by like, I think it was.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: according to next gen stats, like seven or 8%. And
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: so I don't think Jalen is evolving enough either. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: the problem is not only is he, he is a
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: much better passer than he used to be earlier in
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: his career, right? But the trajectory, the improvement as a
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: passer is not going as high as the regression is
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: for Jalen as a runner. That's another reason for these
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: second half issues. When a team adjusts and your coaching
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: cannot get it done, finding answers for you, Jalen used
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: to be able to problem solve with his legs. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: it's been kind of a non-factor these last two years.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's because of injuries wearing on
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: his body. I don't know if it's a reluctance to
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: do it, but Jalen is also just not making plays
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: outside of structure with his legs anymore consistently enough.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: And so I think a lot of this is on
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: the quarterback too.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Like he is just, an inconsistent pocket passer and I
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: don't think he'll ever improve enough to justify not running
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: like they need him to move more this year if
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: they're going to fix this thing well we.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Also need him and this offense in general to do
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit more on first down and I want
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: to talk about first down a bit before we get
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to break here their first down success rate is 31st
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: in the NFL their EPA on first down is 28th
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: in the league, Lou. And I said during our post-game
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: podcast show this past weekend, I would just love for
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: this offense and this team to gain just five yards
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on first down. Every now and again, it would make
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: an incredible difference offensively for this team. What are your
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: thoughts about how and why their success rate on first
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: down is just so dismal?
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: I still think they're too committed to running the ball early.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: And I think easy yards, you have to be able
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: to find like that. You said, you said that five
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: to seven yard play, right?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: To set up a second and five, a second and
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: three manageable situations, right? They don't often find those answers
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: in the passing game. That's normally come from the run game.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: If I'm the Eagles. And I think there was actually, uh,
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: as miserable as it was. And they only had one
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: field goal drive all half. I actually think they against
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville discovered a little bit. They move the football a
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: little bit more in this game. Comparatively speaking, right?
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Um, I think they need to come out of these halves,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: aggressive throwing from the shotgun. It's going to be a
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: rollercoaster ride in that way. Jalen's always going to be
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: inconsistent if you throw 40 plus times a game, but
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: when they've moved the football this year, It's come from that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Like Sean Mannion, the one thing I believe he can
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: really do right now is call plays to create separation
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: for receivers when they're throwing the ball from the shotgun.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I want them to almost start spreading it out, maybe
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: doing some no huddle empty set.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's what we were talking about on the postgame show.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, why not start first down on empty set?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: And Devante Smith, you have Don Tavian, Wicks, McKay, Lemon, Darius, Cooper.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Those are four reliable receivers. Maybe use some more four
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: receiver sets. I think that's the identity they need to
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: switch in the second half is be aggressive. I just
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: think they're still too conservative and you're right. There's a
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: direct correlation there with their first down struggles. I just,
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: I want them to go for it more. You know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: they've won the turnover battle two weeks in a row
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: and they're so committed to taking care of the ball.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: But when you don't score points, you're Winning the turnover
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: battle doesn't matter.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: You're still going to lose these games.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Again, folks, we're talking to Lou DiBiase from the Locked
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: on Eagles podcast. Lou, tell everybody where they can find
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you on the interwebs out there if they want to
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: connect with you.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I do a daily show on Locked on Eagles.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: You can find our show on YouTube or wherever you
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: listen to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast as well. And
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: then I'm on X at Locked on Birds is our
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: show page.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Very good, folks. We're going to take a break when
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: we get back. More Eagles talk coming your way. We
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: are back with our good buddy Lou DiBiase from the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Locked On Eagles podcast.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And as we continue to.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Talk about this Eagles team, as we're heading into week
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: six of this very disappointing season. Of course, obvious that
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the offensive line is in the midst of this restructure here.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Lane Johnson retired midseason, as you mentioned earlier. Cam Juergens
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: was traded down to our third string center on this team.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So I guess a two part question here, Lou, is
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: how much of the offensive line issues are actually because.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Jeff Stoutland is no longer the O-line coach?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And what's the level of pain that we may actually
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: be feeling with this rebuild of this offensive line this
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: season and into the foreseeable future? So I guess let's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: start off with the Stoutland University part of this.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, is that a big issue here that we're
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: not really talking about too much?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's definitely a part of it. Jeff
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Stoutland is maybe... He's one of the greatest offensive line
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: coaches in the history of football. And you look at
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: not just his scheme, which really always worked for this
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: football team, running the ball, throwing the ball, but also
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: just his hands-on development of talent.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: I thought you saw.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: every time the Eagles brought in a raw offensive lineman,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: it felt like Stalin got the most out of them.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously Jordan, my, a lot is the story
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: that we'll always talk about, but even look at McKay
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Beckton in 2024, he was a bust of a tackle
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: with the jets, a first round pick. And then Stalin
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: gets his hands on him, plays him at guard and
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Beckton has a career year in 2024. So I think
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: you're missing that part more than anything is the hands-on
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: development of talent. And you especially need that right now
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: when your depth is being tested, like when you don't
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: have Lane Johnson anymore, when you, and I thought Markel
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Bell was solid last week, but when you don't have
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: a healthy Landon Dickerson and now Cam Juergens is gone
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: and there's a lot of young pieces here up front
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: and a lot of moving pieces.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Having that kind of mastermind coach at offensive line would
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: really help, but I don't think that's the main reason
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: because last year with Stoutland, this offensive line was still
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: in shambles. I just think, cam jurgens and landon dickerson
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: i don't know if it's because of the injuries they
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: played through they sacrificed for that super bowl run but
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: they just haven't been the same and lane johnson retired
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: right and tyler steen is not who mckay beckton was
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: so it was just kind of a group effort of
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: this whole unit collapsing and now for the first time
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: it feels like in howie roseman's career he's gonna have
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: to replace the majority of starters on the offensive line
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: yeah in the next season or two and That's kind
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: of a new, you know, for the NFL, that's not rare.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: It's a new feeling for us.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: The Eagles have been spoiled the entire 21st century.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, even look at left tackle. They go from
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: Trey Thomas to Jason Peters.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: To Jordan, my Alana, the kind of harmony they've had
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: in the trenches is very rare. And it feels like
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: for the first time in like 26 years. they really
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: have to completely rebuild this thing from the ground up.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Hopefully a, a drew Kendall, a Markel bell show. They
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: can be long-term pieces, but they're going to have to
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: replace at least two, maybe three starters up front the
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: next couple of years. And that's, that's one of the
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: biggest reasons if this Eagles era kind of falls off,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: if you will, that'll be maybe the biggest reason is
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: it was kind of an offensive line led golden era.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: And now that's, that's changing.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: The success that this team has had has been because
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of the trenches and specifically on the offensive line for sure.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: And look, I want to transition now over to the defense.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Defense played really well this past week. I mean, they
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: were the bright spot. against that Jaguars offense, a very
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: high-powered offense. This is a unit that has been up
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and down for sure throughout this season. And another two-part
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: question here for you, Lou. I want to talk about
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: what the biggest strength you think is on this defense
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and also the biggest weakness on the defense as well. Because, again,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: we're seeing some ups and downs. And, again, they really
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: took care of a lot of business. in terms of
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars a high-powered offense here let's talk about
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the biggest strength on this defense because I I I
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I I think it's Jalen Carter I think it is
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: yeah you know it was last week yeah what are
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: your thoughts here let's start with the biggest strength here.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: I still think it's the past coverage.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: I think when you're on Mitchell and Rick Wolin, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: if you look at the advanced analytics, they've been to,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: and I know Wolin from time to time, we'll give
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: up an explosive play. He was in coverage on that.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: I think it was more about the one handed catch,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: but you know, he was right there, but yeah, the
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: touchdown of Parker Washington, we'll instill up and down, but
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: he's had a really good year. All things considered as
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: your third corner, Quinn, John Mitchell has been a first
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: team all pro again, finally got a pick in the
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: regular season last week. That was great to see. And
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: Cooper Jean has really bounced back these last two games.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: I thought he was great. against the Rams and the Jaguars.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: So I still think that's their identity on defense, but yeah,
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: if you get that world breaking version of Jalen Carter,
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: you got on Sunday, I still believe, even if this
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: offense continues to not have answers in the second half,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: they're in a position to win these games. Still like
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: they're only a couple of plays away and they have
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: no right being nearly four and one, but they're almost
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: four and one instead of two and three. And in
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: a bad NFC East, as long as you have this defense,
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: which now the four man pass rush is getting going
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: and I think they're still going to have a chance.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: So they have a lot of strengths on defense. I
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: still believe they're a pass coverage first kind of unit,
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: but now the four-man rush is getting there. And if
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: those things start to marry together, you're going to get
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: that 2025 version of the defense that was able to
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: drag this dead offense to 11 wins in a division title.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: All right, let's flip the coin. What's the biggest weakness
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: on this team here, buddy?
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: I think the weakness right now is still probably that
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: second linebacker spot, Jihad Campbell. And I still believe in
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: him long-term. I still think he's a raw player that
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: was dealing with an injury too. I don't know if
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: he's at a hundred percent.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I still think he's a high ceiling and I wouldn't
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: give up on him.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: His coverage is horrendous. Oh my gosh.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. The drop off.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: He was one of the, when you look at the
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: advanced analytics from the first half of last year, Jihad
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Campbell was one of the best coverage linebackers in football.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: And this year it's just, it's not working for him.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: And I think he's struggling to get off blocks in
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: when it comes to misdirection, play action, his eyes, it
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: just doesn't look like they're always in the right place.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: And Vic Fangio said in his press conference yesterday that
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: Trotter Jr. was supposed to rotate in if he didn't
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: get kicked out of that game. And I imagine that'll
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: be the plan against Carolina. So figuring out that linebacker
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: spot next to Zach Bond, the edge rushers could be
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: better too. I think they need to be more consistent.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: But I think the weakness, if you had to pinpoint one,
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: I think is still on that second level. They're still
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: getting some inconsistent play from their linebacker is more so
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Campbell than I thought blonde was great last week. So
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: I would say it's unfortunately Jihad Campbell.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Well, Lou, before I let you go, and I guess
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: it's a theme and storyline and discussion point that we're
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: all going to be talking about within the future. Lots
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: of folks talking about the need to get rid of
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni and Sean Mannion at this point due to
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: the massive offensive and overall team failures up until a
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: week five years, we're looking at.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Week six, but Let's play devil's advocate here for the
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: sake of it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: While it is a win-now, quote, win-now league, and that's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: what fans want, this is an Eagles organization and coaching
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: staff that has been to the playoffs every year since
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Sirianni took over as head coach.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: That is a reality.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: They've been to two Super Bowls, won one of them,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: another reality. There's definitely something to be said for that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, in my opinion. I
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: am not happy with where the offensive coaching is certainly
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: at this point. So what do you think about this
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: storyline as we are moving forward? Does Nick Sirianni deserve
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: some grace or is it all about, you know, show
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: me what you've got right now? What are your thoughts here?
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: It's an interesting situation to be in. If you're Howie
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie, because you've kind of gone through
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: this before. So you kind of know what it looks
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: like when a team is just done. If a coach
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: just doesn't have the answers anymore, You look at Doug
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Peterson after 2017, right? They win a playoff game in 2018.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: They win the division again in 2019. But you could
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: see the offense was going down, right? And I think
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of that was the roster wasn't as good.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: There were injuries. But the coaching was still a problem.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: And then in 2020, they fired him. With Nick Sirianni,
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: it's different, right? I mean, he's won a Super Bowl
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: and he's been to two. But I think, again, their
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: leash is normally pretty tight with offensive football.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: If it's this inept.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: And this was never a problem this bad of a
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: second half offense with Doug Peterson. So if they continue
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: this for another year, even if they win a bad division,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: but they lose in the first or second round.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: I think what they did with Doug Peterson almost confirms
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: to them they made the right decision moving on because
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: it worked.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: And I think they would bring in.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: I think they'll see the inherent flaw of this organization
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: that as long as Nick is the head coach, we're
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: always going to have this inconsistency with the offense.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't I don't know if there's a
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: way to save his job, maybe how he justifies it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: It's easier to just rebuild the offense like I've done
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: it before. I can do it again. And Jalen and
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Nick with the right pieces can get it done. But
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: I just think you're always going to have to make
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: up for the weaknesses of this coach.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: And so because we've never seen this in the second half,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: like we've said, that's what I mean. Never seen it
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: in the second half. And I don't know if you've
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: ever seen this.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: It's the extreme of it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: If they were like a middle tier off because the
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: 2018 and 2019 offenses, they were very inconsistent, but you
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: still had some high highs. Like they didn't just disappear
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: for an entire half every single week. It's the extreme
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: uniqueness of this situation that makes, even with Nick Sirianni's
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: resume and the style of coach he is, he's not
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: helping the situation. That to me is what puts his
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: job in jeopardy. So yeah, I mean, I would love
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: to say that, I'm going to stand here and defend
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: him and say he should be the coach next year.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: I just prefer to have a play calling head coach
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: to help solve this issue. I just think this is
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: a really tough product of football to watch every single week.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: We've been doing it almost for a year and a
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: half now.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Great way to end this discussion.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: He is Lou DiBiase from the Locked on Eagles podcast.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: My friend, always great talking with you. Thank you so
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: very much for taking the time to jump on here.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Let's talk again in the future.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I'd love to do it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you too, man.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Hopefully next time we're talking, the offense scores some points
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: in the second half of a game.
• 55:44
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• 56:11
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