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Daikini Who · Large Nerdron Collider

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  Speaker 1: The Large Nerdron Collider podcast is a production of My
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  Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hi everybody, this is Large Nerdron Collider, the
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  Speaker 1: podcast that's all about the giky things happening in the
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  Speaker 1: world around us and how very excited we are about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Ariel casting, and with me is the very impatient
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. All right, peak behind the curtain because we
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  Speaker 1: have to explain what happened now. So yeah, I que
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  Speaker 1: Ariel when it's time to start, because I'm the one
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  Speaker 1: recording our episodes, and I was pointing at her and
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  Speaker 1: she was looking off camera for a second, and so
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  Speaker 1: that's why I was giving her a look. Now that
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  Speaker 1: I've explained all that, Hey, Ariel, Oh yeah, I've got
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  Speaker 1: a question for you. O. Great, what is it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: That's a pretty good that's a pretty good Randy Savage
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  Speaker 1: you got there. So Ariel, that that ties into your question.
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  Speaker 1: You find yourself as a professional wrestler, what is the
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  Speaker 1: name of your finishing move? All right? So, uh, it
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  Speaker 1: would be the object permanence because you just have your
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  Speaker 1: opponent close their eyes, you move out of their range
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  Speaker 1: of vision, and now they don't know where you are. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no. I would be an elbow to the head
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  Speaker 1: that would cause them to lose their vision and I
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  Speaker 1: would no longer know where I am. Okay okay, a
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  Speaker 1: variation on the bionic elbow, a famous finisher by the
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  Speaker 1: American dream Death De Rhodes. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to copy him. Either that or maybe the
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  Speaker 1: Reluctant Mermaid, where I awkwardly flail my legs until I
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  Speaker 1: make contact. I mean, there, listen. It sounds ridiculous, but
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  Speaker 1: there have been even more ridiculous finishers in the history
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  Speaker 1: of wrestling. So I think you're good, Oh excellent. Well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'll make a combo and that will be my
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  Speaker 1: finishing move. What about yours. So I've wrestled a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times um as as the Grammarian. That was my
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  Speaker 1: wrestling persona, and I did have a finishing move, and
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  Speaker 1: originally my finishing move was going to be the dangling participle,
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  Speaker 1: but I had to had to change that and it
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  Speaker 1: became the independent Iron Claus. What did that look like?
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  Speaker 1: Because I knew that you played the Grammarian in like
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  Speaker 1: a improv wrestling sort of a thing at Dad's garage,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't know you actually wrestle. Oh yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: we had a full ring and everything for the final
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  Speaker 1: show of this improvised comedy that was a wrestling show
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  Speaker 1: called Brawl. Uh. They had a local wrestling school get
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  Speaker 1: involved and it actually became a big storyline. And we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about wrestling more later in this episode, so
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  Speaker 1: that's why this is kind of foreshadowing. But they set
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  Speaker 1: up a ring in the parking lot of the Dad's
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  Speaker 1: garage theater space and at the at the second half
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  Speaker 1: of the show, it all took place in the ring,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the big final matches was a Royal
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  Speaker 1: Rumble style match that included every wrestler they could get
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  Speaker 1: who had wrestled in at least one match in Brawl,
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  Speaker 1: and I had done that and so I was one
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  Speaker 1: of them. It's funny because some of the improvisers had
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  Speaker 1: played multiple characters, so they pulled a Mick Foley and
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  Speaker 1: would get eliminated, run to the back, change costumes, come
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  Speaker 1: back out, joined the match again. It was chaos and
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  Speaker 1: fun and I'm glad I had a chance to do it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm glad that's not my my job all the
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  Speaker 1: time always, But did you actually describe what your your move,
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  Speaker 1: my my iron The independent Iron Claws was that it
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  Speaker 1: was an iron claw, which is, you've got this, you
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  Speaker 1: grip a person and your your hand goes across their
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  Speaker 1: face and like the thumb and middle finger hit the
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  Speaker 1: temples and you squeeze, and squeezing the temples causes such
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  Speaker 1: pain in your opponent and your your grip is just
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  Speaker 1: so incredible that they are forced to tap out and
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  Speaker 1: give up the shek used the iron claw, like there's
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  Speaker 1: there's all these different folks who were famous for using
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  Speaker 1: the iron claw as um as they're finishing move. H
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. It's um effective yet simple. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's the important part. Like it's it's a move that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't rely upon your opponent doing like half the work
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  Speaker 1: or more for you in order for the move to
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  Speaker 1: look good. Because a lot of wrestling moves are like that.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that more later in this episode. First,
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  Speaker 1: we want to get to some of the news stories,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna start off by talking about something that's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a bummer but it's imp yes, which
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  Speaker 1: is there are a number of productions that have paused
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  Speaker 1: production due to positive COVID cases. Among them, is the
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  Speaker 1: House of the Dragon, which is the prequel to Give
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  Speaker 1: of Thrones on HBO, as well as Matilda and Britain
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix. Um, you know, and it's unfortunate that we're
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  Speaker 1: still experiencing these pauses. Obviously with the delta variant, COVID
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  Speaker 1: is not over. But um, you know, as an actor,
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy that they are still taking precautions and testing
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  Speaker 1: casts and you know, making sure that if there is
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  Speaker 1: something that that they pause and get it under control first,
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  Speaker 1: because that means that all of us actors can keep
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  Speaker 1: working in film and television I suppose as possible, especially
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  Speaker 1: with like Matilda because that features children and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: some of them will be under twelve and they can't
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  Speaker 1: get vaccinated yet. Yeah, so this is you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a bummer news. It's a bummer to hear about anyone
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  Speaker 1: testing positive for COVID. But the the fact that these
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  Speaker 1: are productions that do take it seriously. Um. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could argue while they have to because of business
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  Speaker 1: or insurance or whatever, but I strip all that away.
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  Speaker 1: I say, the important thing to remember here is that
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  Speaker 1: people's health and safety is important, and these productions are
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  Speaker 1: treating that seriously. And with the goal of getting things
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  Speaker 1: back on track once things are under control. So you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree, like the Delta variant has really thrown monkey
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  Speaker 1: wrenches into everyone's plans. Like everyone is just ready for
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  Speaker 1: this to be on in the in the rear view
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  Speaker 1: mirror and for us to leave it behind. It's good
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  Speaker 1: for us to remember that we still need to be careful,
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  Speaker 1: we still need to practice you know, good safety measures,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, even vaccinated people can still come down
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  Speaker 1: with COVID. It's unfortunate, but it's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: that if we keep that in mind and we still
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  Speaker 1: are careful, we can get through this with you know,
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  Speaker 1: not so much catastrophe. So here's hoping. Yeah. I also
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  Speaker 1: to say, like some of the articles are saying indefinitely,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important that you said that their goal
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  Speaker 1: is to get back to production as soon as they can.
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  Speaker 1: They're just not putting it like video games who say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to release by this date, as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: making sure that their release is based upon when their
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  Speaker 1: video game is ready. I appreciate that these these production
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  Speaker 1: houses are saying we're pausing indefinitely, which doesn't mean forever.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people take indefinitely as forever, but it
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  Speaker 1: means until it's safe to start again. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: film and television is still a business. As much as
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  Speaker 1: the people who are in it are passionate about it,
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  Speaker 1: they'll start again as soon as I can. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be ready when it's ready is a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: philosophy to follow, I think. Otherwise we do get like
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  Speaker 1: you point out, we get like the video games that
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  Speaker 1: get really east and then on day one you've got
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  Speaker 1: like an eight gigabyte patch to download so that the
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  Speaker 1: game is playable, and even then it's still mass Effect
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  Speaker 1: and Drameda and it's terrible. So not as bad as cyberpunk. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we can alwaysmeda, we can always find worse examples. But
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  Speaker 1: a good example of a video game was The Last
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  Speaker 1: of Us. And now we have a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: fun news about the uh, the adaptation, the series adaptation
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  Speaker 1: of Last of Us. Yeah, I think it's super timely,
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  Speaker 1: not only because it's a video game, but it deals
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  Speaker 1: with the pandemic and it deals with business. So the
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  Speaker 1: news all around, great segue. The news is that the
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us might become They're they're saying it may
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  Speaker 1: become the most expensive television series to be produced, way
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  Speaker 1: more than the final season of Game of Thrones, which
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  Speaker 1: was six episodes, uh like, and millions of dollars. But
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  Speaker 1: we talked about recently the Lord of the Rings also
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  Speaker 1: trying to claim that title. So I think it's really interesting. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: if if it turns out that The Last of Us
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  Speaker 1: is a more expensive series to make than the Lord
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  Speaker 1: of the Rings series, I will be shocked because for
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  Speaker 1: those who have not played The Last of Us and
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  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it, it follows in the wake
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  Speaker 1: of a essentially a zombie outbreak. That's the idea. Hey fun.
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  Speaker 1: It also deals with the pandemic um. It involves this
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  Speaker 1: this disease. It's like this fungus that can infect humans
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  Speaker 1: and essentially take them over. It's it's based off a
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  Speaker 1: real thing that happens with insects, and the characters are
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  Speaker 1: living in a world where there's the classic zombie trope
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  Speaker 1: combination of you've got to worry about the monsters and
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  Speaker 1: you also gotta worry about the other people, because it
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  Speaker 1: turns out the other people where the real monsters the
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  Speaker 1: whole time. Any any sorry, little buddy trail, anytime there's
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  Speaker 1: a TV show where there are like monsters and the
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  Speaker 1: people who are acting like monsters, the people are always
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  Speaker 1: way scarier. The episode where it was just some crazy
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  Speaker 1: murderous people of Supernatural was way worse than any viathans, werewolves, vampires, demons. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you could argue that Negan was was way
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  Speaker 1: scarier and Walking Dead than any zombie was. Right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, he was way more effective in taking
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  Speaker 1: out primary members of the cast, so much so that
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  Speaker 1: I had to stop watching. But yes, yes, so so
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  Speaker 1: we are interested to see, like how does that end
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  Speaker 1: up becoming the most expensive series ever made? Because like
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  Speaker 1: Walking Dead is made or you know, had been made
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  Speaker 1: for a long time here in Atlanta. They tends to
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  Speaker 1: be made in the metro Atlanta area now and uh
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  Speaker 1: and you look at that and you think, well, they
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  Speaker 1: are telling a post apocalyptics worry, but it clearly doesn't merit.
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  Speaker 1: Mentioned is one of the most expensive series ever made,
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  Speaker 1: So what the heck is going on with the last
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  Speaker 1: of Us? Also, I'm curious to see what the adaptation
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  Speaker 1: is going to be like, because video games and movies
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  Speaker 1: and TV are fundamentally different. A sequence that can be
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  Speaker 1: really fun to play through in a video game that
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  Speaker 1: might take you an hour to get through. Doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: good television. You can't just you know, watch an hour
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  Speaker 1: of someone slowly sneaking through a junkyard or something that
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  Speaker 1: would be boring. So they're gonna have to create a
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  Speaker 1: lot of content to fill out the story for the
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us, which will you know, then you run
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  Speaker 1: into the danger of alienating the fans of the game,
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  Speaker 1: the people that presumably you were trying to attract to
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  Speaker 1: watch the show. So a lot of unanswered questions about
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  Speaker 1: this series, But the big one is how the heck
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  Speaker 1: is it so darn expensive? I mean, maybe what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing is they're filming everybody and then they're putting like
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  Speaker 1: a c g I overlay, so it's got like a
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  Speaker 1: sul rotos rotoscoping everyone, their rotoscoping everyone, even though it's
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  Speaker 1: going to, I believe, be live action. Yeah. Maybe maybe
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: they Maybe they just had to get really super expensive
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  Speaker 1: guitar lessons for Pedro Pascal, maybe to play Joel. Maybe
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: he broke like maybe he's a rage player and he
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: broke like it's a thing, it's a real thing. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: new new wrestling character. Maybe he's a rage player, and
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  Speaker 1: for every like three bars of music he plays, he
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  Speaker 1: breaks like seven guitars. Maybe maybe they wanted him to
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: be in the Mandalorian outfit the entire time, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just paying the licensing fees to Disney. I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: that might protect you against plant fungus. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It seems pretty effective art actually kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing that that armor would develop all sorts of fungus
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  Speaker 1: on the inside. But I don't know, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: why don't we Why don't we leave that behind and
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  Speaker 1: move on to something else? Sure? Ah, So our next
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  Speaker 1: story is that there was a prequel to Greece that
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: was being developed on HBO Max and then it got
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  Speaker 1: moved to Paramount Plus and now it's been picked up
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  Speaker 1: for ten episodes and that is has been renamed to
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  Speaker 1: be Grease Rise of the Pink Ladies. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: prequel all about French. She and Rizzo and the other
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  Speaker 1: two Jan and Marty, Marty is Marichino. Like the Cherry, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like the Cherry. I was like Cherry Cherry. No, that's
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  Speaker 1: just how people remember her name. Well, apparently it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: very effective. I like that all the different articles I
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  Speaker 1: read about this all referenced the movie as if that
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  Speaker 1: was the original story, But it's not. The movie was
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  Speaker 1: an adaptation of the musical that came before it. But anyway, um,
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  Speaker 1: and also, as dirty as the movie is, it's nowhere
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  Speaker 1: near as dirty as the original stage play was. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a pre well about some of the
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  Speaker 1: supporting characters of that story. And one thing we do
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  Speaker 1: not know, because none of the references that I found
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  Speaker 1: had any mention of it, is whether or not this
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  Speaker 1: too will be a musical or if it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be like no, I mean, it's about characters who appear
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  Speaker 1: in the musical book, why would we have them singing
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  Speaker 1: this one? Um? And we we know that originally this
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a show that followed various characters
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  Speaker 1: who show up in Greece, but they decided to really
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  Speaker 1: focus on the pink ladies. And uh, I think that
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  Speaker 1: that's a really cool decision that it means that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get a story that I think could be
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  Speaker 1: really interesting and compelling, particularly when it comes to uh
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  Speaker 1: specific types of social taboos that were even more pronounced
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties. I think that that could be
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  Speaker 1: really interesting. I was I was going to say the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. I think it will be very neat to
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  Speaker 1: see where where culture has changed and where it's really
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  Speaker 1: stayed the same between then and now. And and also
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  Speaker 1: like so the Greece the movie at least, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I've ever actually seen the stage play outside of
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  Speaker 1: when they did it live on TV, which is not
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. That was almost more like a stage
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  Speaker 1: adaptation of the movie. But yeah, yeah, yeah, And like
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  Speaker 1: it plays a lot to stereotypes, right, like all of
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  Speaker 1: the characters to stereotypes. But if you go back and
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  Speaker 1: you're watching, you actually watch the performances, like there is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of nuance to Rizzo and French Sheet that
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  Speaker 1: you can see that there's a lot going underneath there,
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  Speaker 1: like exterior shells, and they don't dive very deeply into it.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Rizzo. Rizzo was played by Stockard Channing, and
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  Speaker 1: she brought the type of nuance that only a thirty
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  Speaker 1: four year old can bring to the role of a teenager. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: I would not I'm not thirty four, but I would
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  Speaker 1: also not turn my nose up and playing a teenager.
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  Speaker 1: I also don't look like a teenager, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to happen, but you know there are There was
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  Speaker 1: an article I read recently this is the episode of
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Buddy Trios, and it was comparing actors when they first
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  Speaker 1: played a character to other actors in the show who
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: are now that initial actor's age. So like Ross was
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: twenty eight when he started in Friends in Cole Sprouse
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  Speaker 1: is now twenty eight, who played Ross's son. And I
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  Speaker 1: look at Cole Sprouse and I'm like, well, he looks
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  Speaker 1: like he's twelve. And I look at Ross at twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight and I'm like, well, he looks like he's forty.
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  Speaker 1: And I I don't know why these older people who
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  Speaker 1: played younger people still like look older than that to me,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: or they look older than the actual age they were,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: but nowadays they all look younger. And then you've got
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: people like ming now when and Paul Rudd who just
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: appeared to defy time. Yeah, Michelle, youo like time doesn't
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: happen to those people. I want some of what they've got. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's finish out with a couple of other stories
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  Speaker 1: that are going to tie into our mash up later
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  Speaker 1: in the episode. One is that the Willows series is
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  Speaker 1: on director number three. Yes, but unlike you know, some
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  Speaker 1: other some other Disney properties. It's not because there were disagreements,
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  Speaker 1: it's just um they had They had to do some recasting,
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  Speaker 1: and production got pushed and so the first two directors,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: John Shoe and Jonathan and Whistle I love that last name,
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  Speaker 1: both had to move on to other projects that they
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: were slated for. So Stephen Wolfenden, who worked on Outlander,
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  Speaker 1: stepped up. He was already involved with Willow, but he said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll direct these And so it hasn't stopped production, it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't slowed things down really good. I think, yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Outlander has a lot of faults. It's got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of faults, and there are certain storylines that
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely do not like. But I think that style
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  Speaker 1: of storytelling will transfer well to a Willows so well.
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  Speaker 1: And and in case you don't know what Willow is,
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  Speaker 1: it was a fantasy film from the late eighties that
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  Speaker 1: Ron Howard directed. It was from Lucasfilm, and uh, it
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  Speaker 1: was very sort of like Lord of the Rings Light right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I had a lot of elements that you would associate
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  Speaker 1: with Tolkien style fantasy, so much so that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are like oh this is you couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: the rights to the Hobbit, so you made a different
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  Speaker 1: Hobbit style movie. Um. So yeah, I'm actually really eager
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  Speaker 1: to to see this. I love Willow. I have a
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  Speaker 1: niece who's named after a character from Willow. So um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I can't wait to see how this turns out.
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  Speaker 1: And our final story is about a series about rassling. Rassling. Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Steven Amel, who many people know as Arrow in the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: CW Aero show he was, has been filming a new
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: show into called Heels. Yeah, and it's set in Georgia too.
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  Speaker 1: It's set in Georgia, and it's not about high heels,
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  Speaker 1: it's about well, the show is about wrestling in general.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he plays the heel. He plays the
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  Speaker 1: bad guy. Um in his wrestling troop Is that correct,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Jonathan troops wrestling tu Yeah, no, it's wrestling ensemble. Um.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: It's stable was what you would usually call it as
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a stable, and stable as roster is really more accurate
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: because the stable is like a specific small group of people.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: He has a wrestling promotion and he and his brother
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: are the top heel and top baby face of that
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: promotion and the story is about the two brothers and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: their struggles in how the wrestling promotion should be run.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So there's this whole idea of you've got the fantasy
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: rivalry that plays out in the ring, and then you've
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: got the real world drama and rivalry that's happening behind
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the scenes, and how those two overlap and interfere with
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: one another and influence one another. And this is like,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: this is something that actually happens with wrestling. I mean,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: there is obviously there's like backstage drama that can spill
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: out over onto onstage actions um sometimes to the benefit
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: of a show, sometimes to its detriment, and this is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: really playing with that and also just the idea of
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: what are the realities of running a small independent wrestling
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: promotion in like a rural region and what are the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: uh difficulties in making that a viable business, because that
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: is something that to this day, there are some small
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: regional promotions out there that you, unless you're like a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: hardcore wrestling fan, you just don't know about because you've
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: probably only heard of the w w E and you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: might have heard about a couple of others that have
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: most of which have come and gone since so uh.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And Emma Amel is like a bone fight wrestling fan.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He's he's appeared in other like wrestling shows. He is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: an in shape dude, So I expect the actual like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: wrestling sequences to be really athletic. I did too, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I'm always excited when the people in a show were
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: fans of what that show is about before starting. It
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't do amazing if you weren't,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but it always just adds a little bit extra. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you know, unlike Glow, which was which still had some
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: very real circumstances in it was based on a true
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: uh roster, I suppose this feels a lot more down
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to earth, so um. You know, it feels it feels
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: very slice of life considering it's dealing with wrestling characters. Yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and so we're going to take a break, but when
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit more
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: about rasslin. I'm gonna quiz miss Ariel on some rassling terms.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: See what she thinks about them, and is so good
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it should be fun. Listen, listen, there are no wrong answers,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: except there are totally some wrong answers. But it's okay
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: because wrestling is a very insular kind of profession, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: by its nature it is about you know, having this
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: exclusive language. But we're gonna come back, so you'll find
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: out how Arial does under quiz after we take this
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: quick break. All right, we're back in its team to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: talk about wrestling. Do I have to do that voice again?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Because you do not know? You do not you? You
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: occasionally have to do auditions and stuff. Let's not do
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that now. Originally, the idea for this segment Ariel had
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: put down as as talking about movies and TV shows
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: that are either about wrestling or feature wrestling, and whether
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: they are, you know, kind of accurate to what it's like,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: or if they really fictionalize it. Here's what I'll say
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about that, Um, Nacho libre obviously a percent accurate. It's like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that's it, that's it, that's all you need know. Not
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I mean Jack Black, Jack Black is a wrestler, right,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that guy can that guy can take a hit. No, um, Like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like I would say, like, there are only a few
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: movies out there that really deal with pro wrestling as
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a main part of the story. Some of them are
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: very much in the fictional world of wrestling, like no
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Holds Barred, which was the terrible Hulk Hogan movie. UM.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And then others are way more like brutally honest and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: truthful about what it can be like, especially for people
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: who never make the big times or have you know
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: their their era is over. And the best example of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that is Darren Aronofsky's The Wrestler, a phenomenal movie, heart
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: breaking movie. Also that was like the movie where Marissa
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Tomay made her comeback and was like, like, I was
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: floored by her performance. I mean, I love her. We're
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: just fighting with my family, fault fighting when my family
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is a fictionalized account of the history of Page, one
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of the women wrestlers who wrestled for w w E. UM,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and it's pretty entertaining, like it's it's it takes some
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: big liberties with the actual events that led to Page
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: joining w w E. It invinced a couple of things
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that just didn't happen. It evinced a person. There's the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: her mentor is not someone who actually existed. Um. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: guess it was supposed to be a a version of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Dutch Mantell, but it was like Hutch Morgan I think
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: was the name of the character. I mean much less silly. Yeah, well, uh,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: certainly not the increa credible mustache of Dutch Mantell, but
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the the the movies like it definitely shows how people
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: can get really wound up in the thought of joining
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the big times. And of course it stars Florence Pugh,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: who I adore. Now the more I actually, the more
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff I see of her, the more
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I love her. Yes, yes, I agree, she's she's a
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: really great actress. Even though I never watched Midsummer I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: watched so I watched the first couple of minutes of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Midsummer her she has an emotional breakdown. This is not
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a spoiler. The movie opens with a devastating event and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: her character has the most raw, heartbreaking emotional reaction to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that that I have ever seen on film. And I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: had to stop the movie because it affected me too much.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. I know the rest of the movie would
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: affect me too much. Like I know, that's a level
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of disturbing that I just cannot deal with. Um, But
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: she's a She's amazing. And yeah, kick Lawrence, if you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: ever want to join on the show, you've got an
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: open invitation. Yeah, well, we'll have you on we'll even uh,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: we'll even learn some British slang so that we can communicate. Probably,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you already know a whole bunch of British slang. Well,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: let's find out how much wrestling slang you know, alright, alright,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: so you you already know that he'll means bad guy, right, So,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: so like wrestling typically has like good guys and bad guys,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: although you know, depending on what area you're looking at,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the lines get kind of blurry. So do you know
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: what good guys are called in wrestling? Only because of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the heels or heels trailer, which is the face? Yes,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: do you know what face stands for? Uh? Freaking awesome champion,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: ego nice? It's non acronym. No. Face is short for
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: baby face because if your baby face, then you're gonna
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: have to be a good guy because no one's going
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to buy a baby faced heel. I just figured if
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you were a baby face, you were green because nobody
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: let their out of the ring emotions come into the ring,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: which is really scary in stage combat, by the way,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: which I consider wrestling. Um, yeah, we haven't messed you
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: up yet. Yeah. First of all, using green is great
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: because that's also used a lot intersting. Okay, here's here's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a big one. K thebe. What is k thebe Uhrian,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: don't think about it as an acronymic, like it's just
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a turn kbe y f a b okay alright, because
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: k fabe sounds like K pop. So um kafabe um
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm fabulous. Not quite. It's it's you say
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it when you're when you're when someone thinks you took
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a real hint instead of a pretend hint, and you're
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: telling them you're all right, nope, nope. So k thebe
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: is the doll, that's the show. That's like, that's that's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: like the veil between the show and reality. Right, So
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: with Kathy, you would be putting on the front that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: this face and this heel really hate each other. And
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: back in the day, like in the early days of wrestling,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: all the way up through the eighties and into the nineties,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: kithbe was taken very seriously to the point where in
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: some promotions it was expressly forbidden for wrestlers who were
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: heels and faces to travel together. They could not be
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: seen together because that would break the illusion of kabekfbe
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: essentially means fake kabe, So it's kind of like, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: pig Latin or something along those lines. And this stems
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: back to the times when wrestling was part of the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: carnival circuit. So way back in the day, wrestlers, professional
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: wrestlers would take on local folks to you, you know, like,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, last three rounds and you win twenty five bucks,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing, right, And occasionally you would run
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: into a guy who might actually be able to put
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: up a decent fight against a trained professional wrestler. So
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: typically they take those people aside and say, hey, we're
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and pay the money, and you're just
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: gonna take the fall in the second round, and but
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna tell anyone that you did. You're gonna,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna present the illusion. And CABE just
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: kind of continued after that and it existed along everything else.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So here's your next term, jerk the curtain. What does
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it mean to jerk the curtain? I guess it means
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to blow your cover and to travel with a face
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and a heel together. It's it's an interesting take on
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that that is not what it means but I like
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that guests, is it when is it when you pant somebody? No, No,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's ribbing, no jerk. The curbit curtain is
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: when you open a show, it's your first you're the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: first match, jerking the curtain in the side to be
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the first match. Typically you're setting the tone for the night.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people think about, like going on
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: first is kind of being low on the order of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: things because you know, maybe people are still coming into
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the show, maybe they're not really paying attention. Other people
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: look at as a challenge to really like set a
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: bar so high that no one else can meet it. Look,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it's like being the opening act at a big concert. Yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: which sometimes like you can put the headliner to Shane,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Like that does happen? All right? What is enhancement talent?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: That this is a kind of almost a family show.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I can't really not that kind of enhancement. What what
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: would enhancement talent? It's it's a sidekick when you can't
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: when you when you when the audience loses interest in
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you and they bring on a second so that they
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: are renewed in their vigor for you. What's funny is
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that you're you know, there are people who do that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: They typically are either valets or managers. But they are
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: not no enhancement talent. They have another name, jobber. Does
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that tell you what they are? If they're a jobber
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: doing the job, do you have any idea what that means? Oh?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So they put on a latex mask of the wrestler
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and they go out when the wrestler is sick or
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: on vacation, tend to be there the replacement wrestler. No
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a job a jobber or in well, in a way
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they do. The jobber or an enhancement talent is someone
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: who's hired to lose. They are they are there to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: make the other person look good by being the guy
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that gets thrown around the ring and totally destroyed. Right. So,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: back in the early days, like again in the eighties
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and nineties, you saw enhancement talent or jobbers on wrestling shows. Eventually,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: shows like w w E and w c W started
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to have more known wrestlers facing off against other known wrestlers,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: which meant that there is less of a demand for
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: enhancement talent or jobbers. Um, I'll just get do a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: couple more because I don't want us to go on forever.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: All right, how what do you what do you think
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a dusty finish is when it's a really old wrestler
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and you actually kill him in the ring? Okay, funny,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that was very grim. I'm so sorry everybody, now,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So a dust finish is about the American dream, Dusty Rhodes,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: who used the book these finishes all the time, baby,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: let me tell you what they are. So a dusty
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: finish is this is something that drives fans crazy because
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: especially if you do it too many times, like with
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that accent. That's that's the American dream, Dusty Rhodes. That's
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: how he talked. Uh. I met him once and he
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was exactly the same in person as he was on TV,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and he was incredibly nice to me. Um. But the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: dusty finish is where you finish a match where it
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: looks like the good guys going to win, like the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: good guy has won the match, when suddenly someone rushes
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: in and because of some other element, there is a
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: disqualification instead, like, oh we thought that the good guy won.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Like every the crowd's really happy, they're all excited, but
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: then someone rushes in and steals the win away because
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: of some technicality like like maybe uh, someone else interfered
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: at just the right moment, so it ended in a disqualification.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So if it's something like a title match, traditionally the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: title does not change hands. If the victory came by disqualification,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you have to win by count out or or tap
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: out that kind of thing. Um, I'll do just a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: couple of well, one one, tiny one. This is the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: last one I'll do for you. What what does pop
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and heat mean? They are similar things, they relate to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: one another. Was pop and heat? So a heat is
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: like around, like a around in the match, like you
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like you have rounds in boxing or UFC, which I'm
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: assuming there's a lot less actual injury and wrestling, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: if there's actual injury they kind of hide it as
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: opposed to you have c your boxing where they delighten it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'm going to pretend, so, uh, a heat
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: is an actual round, and then a pop is like
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: around that doesn't count as around, Um, like like a
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: baby round. I like how I like how you've you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: created rounds and wrestling. Usually wrestling matches don't happen in rounds.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: They usually just go until Sometimes there's a time limit,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: but I mean sometimes there's a stated time limit to
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the audience. There's always a time limit. By the way,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like the bookers of the show know how long these
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: matches have to go, right, Like they're like, okay, well
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to get you know, twelve minutes, do your match,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and then the referee. The main reason the referee is
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: there is to communicate to the wrestlers like, hey, matches over,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you need to go home. Go home means to go
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: into the final sequence of a match. No. A pop
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: is when the crowd has a big positive reaction. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like a beloved, heroic wrestler comes out, the crowds cheers
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and stands on its feet, and that's a pop. Uh.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: There's also the cheap pop. Cheap pop is when you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: do something really like obvious just to get applause. So
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Mick Foley would do this all the time. He'd be like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it's sure as great to be back here in Atlanta, Georgia,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and everyone would cheer, and like he would call it
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: out that it was the cheap pop. Uh. Heat is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the opposite. Heat is a negative audience reaction. It's what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the heels want to get right, the heels want to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: come out and have people just hate them and boo
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and yell, and if that's happening, that means the heel
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is doing their job correctly. So uh. Heat can also mean,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: by the way, animosity between people, and that can either
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: be you know, fictional, or it could be real, like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, these two people really don't like each
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: other and there's heat between them. One of the interesting
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: things about wrestling is that this terminology and by the way,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they're like dozens of other terms, like I could talk
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: about marks for example, which is another term that comes
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: up from the carnival days. But a lot of the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: interesting things is things about this is that they will
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: use these terms outside of the context of wrestling to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: refer to other stuff. And if you ever listened to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like Stone called Steve Auston, he uses the word gimmick
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to describe pretty much anything. At this point, they got
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to pay these gimmicks they call bills. Um like it's
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it's just funny, like it's it's really interesting. It's it's
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: really a subculture within the wrestling community. And then there's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: an even you know, tighter subculture among the wrestlers themselves.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Um I have studied it for years, uh and I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: love it. I think I think it's really fast state.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I also have a complicated relationship with wrestling because on
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the one hand, I find it entertaining. On the other,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: it is undeniable that the the entertainment has tremendous wear
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and tear on the people who are in it, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it can lead to some serious injuries and worse down
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the line. A lot of sports do though. Um it's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: interesting because wrestling does does crossover with geek hum a lot,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: but it's not one that's often like talked about, not
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: not nearly as often as it actually crosses over. Like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: when Skyrim came out and they made that they made
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the mod where the dragon we go, oh yeah, you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: know every time we breathe fire, or you know, like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the fact that the Rock is doing Joyne Johnson is
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of media. John Cena Macho Man, played
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Boned faws Ready in the Spider Man movie. Yes, yes,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Or you know that John Cena has to really broken
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the k fab and it's coming back Kabe but I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: like that k fab fabulous fabulous that he's coming back
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: um to wrestling apparently, is he a baby face or he'll, uh,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: technically he's a baby face, but he's he was. He
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: was elevated so frequently and pushed so hard. Pushed means
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like you're you're kind of put into the spotlight and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you're given like a very prominent spot in the in
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the wrestling promotion. He was pushed so hard and presented
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: as such an unbeatable baby face that a lot of
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: fans kind of turned on him and especially the dudes,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: and would boo him when he would come out, even
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: though his character hadn't really changed. And the interesting thing
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: is that, like he has consistently presented himself as someone
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: who talks about perseverance and you know, really putting in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the work, and the dude is legit like crazy strong,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like it's you can't fake strength. He has picked up
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the Big Show, one of the largest guys ever and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: slammed him multiple times. So he's a and he seems
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: like a really decent dude too, Like he does like
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: make a wish stuff all the time and seems like
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a genuinely nice person. So it's kind of a shame
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that he gets he gets crapped on by the fans,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: But he's he's too technically a baby face. Do you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: think he'll wear his peacemaker helmet when he goes back
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: in the ring. I have a feeling from mostly because
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Batista never came out in full drags makeup in order
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to wrestle, So I'm so sad. Anyhow well, when we
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna do a mash up um which
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't have wrestling in it, but it does have something
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: else we talked about in it. That was graceful, Jonathan,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that was a graceful segue for the for the break.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit one. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: like I honestly, I don't know that wrestling is not
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: in it because I don't know what your mash up
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: is like yet. Well, I have already proven that I
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: am the utmost authority on all things wrestling, so obviously
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it's very wrestling centric. We should have done something more
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: wrestling centric, but instead we're doing a match up with Willow,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: who he kind of already talked about, and Doctor Who.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: And the way around to Doctor Who was kind of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: a long one, partially because they've announced it. Christopher eccleston
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and Billy Piper are both going to be at Dragon
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Con this year where also they often have wrestling. We're
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: often you know, I have a childhood friend who has
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: wrestled at Dragon Con, so I thought it was just
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: just tie wrestling in so that there would be some
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: connection there. There you go, There you go. Christopher Eckleston
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite Doctor Who's and Doctor Who's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: filmed in England, where uh where people speak with British accents.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And another news article we didn't talk about is that
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: kids have been watching pepper Pigs so much during the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: pandemic that American children are starting to speak with British
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: accents to their parents and using British slang. So I'm
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: asking for things like mince pies, which just aren't a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: thing in America, saying Mommy, I'm going to the optometrist
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah. So so you know, the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: long way around. But we're we're mixing up Doctor Who
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: with Willow. I thought this was going to be an
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: easy challenge, yeah, but it was not. So so again,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Willow is that fantasy film from the nineteen eighties where uh,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Warwick Davis plays the character of Willow of Good. He's
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: what they call Annelwyn, which is kind of like a hobbit.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He wants to be a sorcerer, he's not terribly good
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: at it yet, and he comes into the charge. He
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: becomes the guardian of a baby named Laura Dannon, who
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: has prophecied to bring about the end of an evil
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Queen Bavmorda's rule over this fantasy land. Um, it's a
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: fun movie. Uh, You've got a lot of fun performances
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in it, including Vell Kilmer as a totally not trying
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to do an accent mad Mortigan. Um, kind of a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: kind of a Han Solo type swashbuckling sort of character. Uh,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the rogue ish sort of guy. And it's
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it's a fun film. And then you've of course got
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Doctor Who, the character of the time Lord who travels
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: through space and time, having adventures, helping various people and
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: aliens and occasionally kidnapping humans to act as companions. Important
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: for my mashup, Doctor Who is a Gallifran. Gall Frans
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: have two hearts. It comes up occasionally in the show
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: if you don't watch it. Yes, so would you like
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to go first? Uh? Yeah, because I have a yes,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go first. Okay, So this is
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: called Daichini. Who Daichini in the world of Willow means
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: human human, So uh yeah, that's the apex of this
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: mash up. But cool. Evil Queen bav Morda is trying
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to keep a child from being born, one who was
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: four told to be her downfall, the child born with
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the birthmark shaped like two hearts. Despite the evil queen's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: best efforts, when the child is born, it is whisked
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: away to safety and out of her clutches. The queen
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: has no idea how the baby manages to survive the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: horde of how, and she sends after it to kill it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But if you were near to the baby, you would
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: have heard a faint hum come from the baby swaddling. However,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: that hum also subconsciously attracted the attention of Willow and
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: no one living in a nearby village, who then took
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: on the task of returning the baby to its family,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: having no idea how much danger it was in. Shortly
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: into his journey, he runs into a roguish fellow named
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: mad Martigan and agrees to give him the baby. All
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, will Here is well, then that's enough
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of that. Come from the baby's carrier when he goes
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: to uncover the baby. A grown woman steps out. She
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: introduces herself as the Doctor and holds aloft her rattle
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: sonic screwdriver, which makes an odd humming noise. All of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a sudden, everything around will Ooh and Mad Martigan shimmers,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: and they find themselves nodded across roads or forest or
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: even in the mother world. Willow and everyone else is
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: in a large metal room, and that Martigan isn't Mad Martigan,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: he's some sort of person in a long wool gray peacoat.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Willow is confused and also disoriented and asks what's going on.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: The doctor explains that she was in the middle of
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: a partial regeneration to heal some bad wounds that she got,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: but not enough to make her change bodies completely, just
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: enough to kind of put her out of it for
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit, so she had to heal, and that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the Master a k a. Missy a k a. Queen
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: bav Morda combined forces with the evilist aliens and the
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Galaxy to capture the doctor mid regeneration and put all
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of the Doctor's energy into a tiny neutralizing vessel the baby.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Then Missy in the their aliens put that vessel into
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: a simulation and placed a hologram over everyone in that simulation.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: So the knock Mar Hounds weren't really knock More Hounds,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: they were Reapers. Brownies weren't brownies, they were at opposed
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: abrascous monsters were really in an alien called the drash
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Higg and vav Morda's army was consistent entirely of Cyberman
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and Slavine, led by Davros, who she called General Kale,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and Matt Martigan was none other than that Jack Hartness
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: who ran torch Wood. Thankfully, the vessel didn't neutralize the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: doctor for as long as Beth Morta was hoping, and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the doctor regained her senses as the doctor always does,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just in time to avoid being put into Jack's care,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: because well, that would be a recipe for disaster. The
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: news was all very confusing to Willow and made him
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: question who he was or was he even real, but
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the doctor told him not to worry. He was, in
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: fact real. He was plucked from his home planet to
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: care for her in her helpless vessel form in an
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: effort to keep her from realizing everything was off and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: regaining her wits, The doctor said, now that you know
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you could return home, or you could just travel the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: stars with me. Your a choice, but first let's make
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: things right, and she and Jack and Willow rushed into
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: stop the army of space villains. At the end of
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the battle, while Willow missed his home and his friends,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: he felt he couldn't return knowing everything he knew now,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: so he opted to become the Doctor's new companion and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: traveled with her until he was so tired of seeing
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the stars that he could travel no more, at which
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: point the Doctor put him on one of his favorite
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: planets that they ever traveled to during their adventures in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the Outer Rim Sector, where he became a freedom fighter
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: under the alias Weasel and No. No, I know you're
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: thinking it. You think that Laura Dannon is the Doctor's
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: real name, But it's not the end I like well
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the couta at the end, all right, thank you. Mine
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: is called doctor Willow. Who uh Queen bav Borda has
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a problem. There's this prophecy. See at one day a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Daichini with a particular birth mark will spell her doom,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and so she has decided to imprison all pregnant women
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in knock Mark Castle's dungeons. Sure enough, one woman gives
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: birth to the child, and the mother, terrified for the
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: life of her baby daughter, is distraught, and then she
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: hears this weird sound, wow wow wow. Deep in the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: castle dungeons a blue structure that says call box. On
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: it appears where previously nothing had been, and a door
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: opens and outsteps a slightly mad looking da Keini. Ah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: there you are, he says to the mother. Who are you?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Asks the woman, Well, it would take thought too long
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to explain, and we haven't the time, if you'll just
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: excuse me for her moment. And then the stranger reaches
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: into his jacket pulls out what looks like a wand
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: it's like a silver wind with this glowing blue tip,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and he holds into the jail cell door, which immediately opens,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: So if you would be so kind as to follow me,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and the mother, desp it to save the life of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: her child, agrees, steps out of the cell as there's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: noise in the hall that's indicating the approach of guards. Right,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: come along, says the stranger, opening up the door to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: this blue call box thing, and the mother and her
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: baby rush in, and then as the stranger steps into
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: follow he says, everybody lives. The door shuts, the noise returns,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the box bades away, and then we get the killer
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: music that introduces Dr Willow who after the theme song.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: We are in this idyllic scene. It's a lovely field
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: with a castle in the background, and then we hear
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that weird sound again, and the police call box appears
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and the door opens, but now a very different person emerges.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: It appears to be a knell win of people similar
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to Hobbits in tokey and a ginger to boot. He
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: looks about for a moment, getting his bearings and says
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: hah back again. He strolls over to the castle, which
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: is decorated in grand display, and he's greeted warmly by
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a guard. Helen will up my ends as a fellow.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Have we met before, asks the NL when I don't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: think we've actually had the pleasures, says the guard. But
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: you're a friendly face and all are welcome here today.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Well the neil one then beams brightly says I was
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: hoping to have a word with one Laura Dannon on
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: her birthday, says the guard. Well, you might try, but
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I suspect she is quite busy. Who should I say,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: is calling so the nell One smiles and produces some
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: sort of badge from his robes, and it seems like
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it's completely blank. And the guard stares at and says,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: willow off, goood magician extraordinaire, you're the entertainment. I'll show
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: you to her right away. And in short order, that's
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: a kind of a unintentional pun that did not mean
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to make. The Nlwin is ushered into a beautiful but
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: not opulent chamber. Moments later, a young woman, perhaps in
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: her late teens appears, Master of good. She says, yes,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: well that was more of a convenience, says the nil one.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: You may call me the doctor. The young woman's face
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: transforms from uncertainty to joyce. The doctor, but you look
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: nothing like how mother described. Ah, well I have changed
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a bit a couple of times, actually smiles the doctor.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: How is your mother, Well, she's well, she'll be so
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: pleased to see you. She has told me the stories
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of how you saved us and how you helped vanquish
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the evil bath more though when I was still a baby, Well,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I just did the old disappearing pig trick, says the doctor.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I hear it's your birthday today. It is, says a Laura,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and you are welcome to join us with the celebration.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Mother and I will be giving gifts. Well, I thought
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it was traditional to receive gifts for your birthday, says
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the doctor. Well it maybe so, but we have a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: few needs here and much thanks to gifts, says Laura
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: from outside the room. There's a sound in a moment later,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a Laura's mother, who does in fact live in this version.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, shows up. We have much to
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: be thankful for. And who do I have the pleasure
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of meeting, asks the older woman. There you are reacquainting yourself.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: This is the doctor, says Laura. The doctor says Laura's mother,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: who keep calling her Laura's mother. She doesn't actually have
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a name in the script, so I'm just gonna call
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: her Barrew no reason. And then we get a scene
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: in which the mother Burrew reconciles that the recognizes rather
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: that the nl Win before her is in fact the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: same person as the human the Daichini who rescued her
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: years ago. So what brings you back to us? When
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you left, it sounded as though we would never see
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: you again, says the mother. Well, see, here's the thing.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: My travels are long and lonely, and I was looking
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: for a traveling companion, one who might help balance out
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: my somewhat mercurial nature. And you, Laura Dannon fit the bill,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and Laura says, but I'm I'm to be princess and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: rule in just a year's time. Said, well, that's precisely
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: why in one year's time we shall return. Think of
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: all the wisdom will gain in a year's worth of
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: exploring space and time. Well, the prospect appears to appeal
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: to the young Laura, who turns to her mother, And
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: he has never steered us wrong. And the mother agrees
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and says, there's also the disappearing pig tricks, so you
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: can get out of anything that, trust me, seeming works
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: every time, says the doctor. So the young woman smiles
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: and says, when do we leave? So well, you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the party has to happen, so after the party short,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't want to shock anyone. And so it began
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the adventures of A Laura and the Doctor, which would
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: be filled with wonder and curiosity and fear and triumph
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and tragedy, and indeed, one year later, a wiser, perhaps
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: sadder Laura Dannon would return, but a's for what happened
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: in between? Well that will be our next tale. So
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: tune into Netflix or Amazon or you know whoever will
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: pay me to do this new series. You know where
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to find me. The end was was Breu a reference
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to Star Wars? Maybe will? It was also a lucasfilm
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: project it was? It was yeah, definitely, uh and you
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: know better than Anakin's mother's name? Me? Yeah, well I
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: was trying. So here's the peak behind the curtain again.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: When I was writing this, I was like, what was
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the mother's name? And I looked. I was like, huh,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: she didn't have a name in the in the script.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder what her name was say in the novel,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: which I have not read. Couldn't find that. I looked
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: at the WICKI just listed as mother in every every
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: single source I could find. I'm like, Wow, no one
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: bothered to name this character. She literally only exists as
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a plot device. That's sadness. But thank you for giving
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: her a name, and thank you for treating a property.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I love so well Doctor Who and Willow, but mainly
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Doctor Who. So well, even though you don't like it,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I don't dislike Dr who. I just don't have the
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: reverence for it that a lot of my friends have,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and I do recognize, like there are certain episodes that
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I do find incredibly entertaining and effective. You know, we
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: talked about the Everybody Lives episode is one of my favorites. Um,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the Weeping the first Weeping Angels one was really effective.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I thought I felt like they went back to that
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: too much, like Weeping Angels once terrifying more than once.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Uh that's a shame. Whereas the more you visit the Cybermen,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the scarier they get. Yeah, I mean it's you know,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: it would have been fun to put Dalex into Willow,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: but there are a lot of stairs, and there's lots
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: of stairs. It's also it's really hard because Dalles are
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: very single minded and there's a lot of subterviews in Willow.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: So but this was kind of fun to do. Like
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, what would the Doctor do? Like that
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: in my mind, the Doctor essentially lives out the story
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: of Willow just as the Doctor, including the disappearing pig trick,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: which actually is a thing in Willow. Um. And then
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the real story for us is him coming back and
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: taking on a Laura as his companion. That's just that
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: just seems to fall into doctor who kind of very much. Well,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: that's it for this episode, and uh, we're looking forward
• 55:12
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• 55:14
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• 55:17
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• 55:20
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• 55:22
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• 55:24
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• 55:26
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• 56:00
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• 56:04
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• 56:06
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• 56:18
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• 56:21
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