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Huddle Up | Jaguars Players & New Leadership Get to Work · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields
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Speaker 1: Total Group, Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shatterick.
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Speaker 2: Where you the latest go.
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Speaker 3: Huddle Up starts right now and welcome man.
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Speaker 4: John Oser. We're at the Hyundai studios inside the Miller
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Speaker 4: Electric Center.
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Speaker 3: It's buzzing. The off season program is here.
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Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks joins us from Los Angeles, and it's finally here.
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Speaker 3: Bucky.
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Speaker 4: Players are back in the building. Culture is being established.
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Speaker 4: Football things are beginning to happen. Good afternoon, man.
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Speaker 2: I love the energy.
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Speaker 5: I feel like you guys are completely bought in. There's
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Speaker 5: a lot of energy. I feel like the effort is
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Speaker 5: gonna be great. Got great attitude, dude, and that is
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Speaker 5: one of the pillars being able to establish a positive
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Speaker 5: and championship culture.
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Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you guys are all in.
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Speaker 3: It starts with John. It starts here John.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and kidding aside. There is a there's a buzz
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Speaker 6: to it, there's an energy. When I asked Liam Cohen
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Speaker 6: last week at the owners meeting what he wanted players
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Speaker 6: to feel, it was exactly that that the energy was there.
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Speaker 6: I think what they're not saying there's also an underpinning
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Speaker 6: of hey, this is different. You know, we're not gonna
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Speaker 6: hit you over the head with it. But what what
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Speaker 6: was before was not good enough. I don't think it
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Speaker 6: has to be said, and I think it's hey, you know,
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Speaker 6: buckle up, we're going so all those things. I think
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Speaker 6: I think Liam Cohen would be the first one to
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Speaker 6: tell you all this stuff. All the talk is great,
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Speaker 6: it had to be done. But I really liked what
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Speaker 6: he said at the owner's meetings last week when he said, look,
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Speaker 6: I asked Hm about the offensive line, right, and he's
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Speaker 6: he sort of stopped himself and said, I gotta see it.
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Speaker 6: You know, Yes, I think it's tougher, Yes, all that,
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Speaker 6: but what matters is what's gonna happen on the grass.
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Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I do like that. That's his
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Speaker 6: sort of core where he knows he has to talk
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Speaker 6: right now, but he wants to go play and he
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Speaker 6: knows none of that. It matters until you're out there
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Speaker 6: on the field.
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Speaker 3: It's all about the ball. It's all about the balls.
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Speaker 6: A lot of grass right here.
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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of grass. I like that.
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Speaker 5: I like that the game has certainly played between the lines,
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Speaker 5: and all that talking and stuff is really meaningless until
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Speaker 5: you get on the field and you begin to see
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Speaker 5: the results. I think even I have had the temper
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Speaker 5: expectations coming off of the last two coaches and some
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Speaker 5: of the stuff like being really excited, and so now
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Speaker 5: you kind of want to see what it looks like.
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Speaker 5: Because everyone talks about doing it differently. Everyone talks about
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Speaker 5: how this is the reason why we're going to have
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Speaker 5: a lot of success. I can't wait to see how
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Speaker 5: we practice, how we put it together, how we stack it,
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Speaker 5: but more importantly, how do we perform? And the Lisa
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Speaker 5: on because we can do all of these things and
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Speaker 5: we can talk about it, but until we're truly about it,
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Speaker 5: when it matters, it means nothing.
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Speaker 4: Let's hear from Liam Cohen some of the highlights today.
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Speaker 4: Also Trevor Lawrence and Foyer. Lucan spoke with the media,
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Speaker 4: we'll start with the Jags head coach and what to
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Speaker 4: expect the next couple weeks. In phase one of this
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Speaker 4: offseason program.
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Speaker 7: Right now, we're trying to establish really two things are
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Speaker 7: the fundamentals and techniques of the schemes right we're not
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Speaker 7: truly diving into this.
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Speaker 2: Scheme at the moment.
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Speaker 7: Fundamentals and technique, and then as well our culture, the
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Speaker 7: way that we're going to play the game, our style
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Speaker 7: of play. Those are the two things that would like
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Speaker 7: to be able to get out of this, especially in
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Speaker 7: phase one where you're not on the grass with the players.
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Speaker 7: We're really installing our basic core fundamentals and principles and techniques,
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Speaker 7: and then also culture, our style of play, and our
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Speaker 7: commitments as well.
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Speaker 4: One of those core fundamentals is mental and physical toughness.
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Speaker 4: What does that mean for the Jaguars in twenty five
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Speaker 4: and beyond.
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Speaker 7: I know that this is not a physical time, it
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Speaker 7: can't be and it isn't. But the establishing of the mindset,
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Speaker 7: the way that we're going to do things, the way
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Speaker 7: that we want the meetings, like coach Camp brought up today,
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Speaker 7: our meetings should be tough. We're learning new information. It's
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Speaker 7: all very new for everybody. That's hard. It's hard to
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Speaker 7: do for a coach, for a player, it's hard to learn.
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Speaker 7: So when you do hard things and you come out
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Speaker 7: on the other end, usually you say, well I got
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Speaker 7: tougher from that. So we do believe that we can
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Speaker 7: start to establish that. You know, that was similar in
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Speaker 7: Tampa last year. When we got to the off season
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Speaker 7: program and got into it, you could start to see
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Speaker 7: the toughness come out, and the way that we broke
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Speaker 7: the huddle, the way that we communicated, the way that
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Speaker 7: we actually ran off the ball. You could see some
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Speaker 7: of that stuff come to life.
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Speaker 4: There's a couple from Liam coleen press conference at Jaguars
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Speaker 4: dot com Jaguars YouTube as well, and you know that's
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Speaker 4: we talked about this before, but now we're starting to
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Speaker 4: see it today. We heard from a Lucan and Trevor
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Speaker 4: Lawrence today about their initial impressions. And I mean today
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Speaker 4: and yesterday in the first few days of this are
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Speaker 4: huge to gain that trust to the team as a
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Speaker 4: coach and a coaching staff, Bucky, And you got to
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Speaker 4: set the tone right away.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you get to set the tone right away.
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Speaker 5: You want to establish that, you want to make sure
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Speaker 5: everyone understands the expectations and standards. You want to make
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Speaker 5: sure that's clearly communicated. You want to be very direct
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Speaker 5: with that communication. And then you have to hold players
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Speaker 5: accountable to meeting those standards every day. I love what
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Speaker 5: Liam Cohen was talking about in terms of how they
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Speaker 5: have to get it done.
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Speaker 2: Now, some of it sounds kind of like hokey when it.
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Speaker 5: Comes to like our meetings have to be tough, whatever,
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Speaker 5: but it is an expectation that hard things are hard,
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Speaker 5: and the only way that you're going to get to
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Speaker 5: the other side of some of the obstacles that lie
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Speaker 5: in is you got to go through it, and you
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Speaker 5: got to begin to prepare yourself mentally to know that
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Speaker 5: as adversity is going to come and we got.
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Speaker 2: To be able to deal with it.
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Speaker 5: So I love all of that, and then my reaction
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Speaker 5: to hearing like the players talk about it will be
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Speaker 5: a look, we've had similar things, but can you really
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Speaker 5: buy in? Can you give of yourself to the team
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Speaker 5: to really buy into whatevery to all the things that
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Speaker 5: are being uttered and say no, no, no, I believe in this.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to believe in this, and I'm gonna do
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Speaker 5: everything in my power to make all of these things
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Speaker 5: come to fruition. So it'd be interesting to see how
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Speaker 5: this stuff plays out over the off season. But one point,
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Speaker 5: the wouldn't getting training came in the regular season.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're on the second day of phase one. We're
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Speaker 6: not even the Buckie's favorite part of the year, which
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Speaker 6: is Ota.
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Speaker 3: That's coming soon, so coming, you know.
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Speaker 6: I love that they talked with energy. The players said,
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Speaker 6: this is clearly a young staff. Foyer said, you know,
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Speaker 6: you can embrace that. I certainly it's better that they
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Speaker 6: talked with energy than them being asleep at the wheel.
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Speaker 6: You know, you know, you know, you know what I'm
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Speaker 6: walking in here like we're already bored seeing you Densky
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Speaker 6: taking a nap, you know. So that everything feels right,
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Speaker 6: everything feels as it should, And we're gonna it sound
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Speaker 6: like a broken record if we keep saying we know
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Speaker 6: no it we know none of it matters, because we're
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Speaker 6: talking to a fan base that's heard this kind of
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Speaker 6: thing before. And JP, you know Bucky, you've been around
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Speaker 6: him a little bit at the combine. All I can
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Speaker 6: tell you is it it feels right. It feels like
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Speaker 6: it has a spine to go with all of the
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Speaker 6: bells and whistles. I'm optimistic about it working for the
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Speaker 6: long term. I get that if you're not buying it,
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Speaker 6: if you've heard it before, but something about it feels
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Speaker 6: real to me, and we'll see how it.
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Speaker 3: Goes, you know. And I kind of go back real quick,
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Speaker 3: Bucky though.
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Speaker 4: The last year we heard in the aftermath of all
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Speaker 4: this that there was rumblings pretty quick after the initial
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Speaker 4: meetings in the off season that oh, this is this
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Speaker 4: doesn't feel great in certain areas of the building.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well certain areas, yeah, so.
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Speaker 3: Important.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you don't feel that now, so well see god, yeah, no.
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Speaker 2: We'll see.
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Speaker 5: And here's what I say, Liam coyn and everyone associated
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Speaker 5: with the coaching staff and even the front office, they have.
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Speaker 2: To believe what they're preaching.
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Speaker 5: That's really really important because what happens, and I'll just
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Speaker 5: go based off of last year. Last year we talked
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Speaker 5: about the tough camp, the toughness, the tough that. Then
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Speaker 5: we got into the regular season and the first hiccup
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Speaker 5: everything kind of fell apart. And so it's really important
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Speaker 5: that if you are talking about being tough minded, you
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Speaker 5: want the team to be tough minded. Whatever as the leader,
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Speaker 5: you also have to embody those qualities. I love the
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Speaker 5: coaching staff that we have in plays like some of
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Speaker 5: those coaches are really good coaches know them personally, and so.
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Speaker 3: I love that.
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Speaker 5: I love what I'm hearing in terms of the type
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Speaker 5: of team stylistically that we want to be, in terms
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Speaker 5: of tough and physical and discipline.
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Speaker 2: And details and all of that.
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Speaker 5: Now, it's about making sure that your behaviors match the
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Speaker 5: words that are being said, that all the actions match
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Speaker 5: the words, and that when we get to those tough moments, we.
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Speaker 2: Don't waiver, we don't buckle in those things.
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Speaker 5: And so this off season program is about preparing the
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Speaker 5: guys mentally and physically for the storms that are about
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Speaker 5: to happen, so they can push past those storms and
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Speaker 5: become the best versions of themselves as we.
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Speaker 2: Get into the late stages of the season.
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Speaker 4: Let's put a bow on this part of the conversation
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Speaker 4: with Foyer looking on the first impression on the defensive
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Speaker 4: side today.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, new energy to the team. Obviously a little bit younger,
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Speaker 8: but I feel like this resonates a little bit better
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Speaker 8: in the room and everything right now. But just you know,
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Speaker 8: the passion that they speak with. Every time they're speaking,
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Speaker 8: definitely rubs off on us the right way, and just
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Speaker 8: take that into all of our workouts. Take that in,
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Speaker 8: you know, when we get on the field together, a
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Speaker 8: lot of guys all willing to improve and get better
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Speaker 8: together the team.
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Speaker 4: The same idea in the strength and conditioning realm as well.
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Speaker 4: All that's new with a new baseline and everything getting started.
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Speaker 4: Only those guys can be on the practice field with
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Speaker 4: players in the first couple of weeks in Phase number one,
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Speaker 4: the biggest part of today outside of Liam Cohen establishing
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Speaker 4: the culture and everything well, Trevor Lawrence spoke with the
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Speaker 4: media as well and a few nuggets came out of that.
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Speaker 4: He'll be on a little bit of a pitch count
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Speaker 4: in the off season, but also some changes to footwork
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Speaker 4: and Trevor Lawrence explaining what that means.
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Speaker 9: There's some things that you know, there's some things I've
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Speaker 9: known about my footwork over the years of playing that
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Speaker 9: I felt like have been a little bit of a weakness.
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Speaker 9: So there's some things that we've talked about of just
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Speaker 9: what are those things, what are we identifying as things
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Speaker 9: to work on. And then the system is built around
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Speaker 9: timing and tying your feet to your progression and playing
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Speaker 9: on time, and so it allows you to get backside,
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Speaker 9: allows you to get to checkdowns or whatever it may be,
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Speaker 9: and you can feel comfortable playing on time. And more
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Speaker 9: than any system I've ever learned, it's structured and based
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Speaker 9: on that, and it's so everything's tied exactly to how
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Speaker 9: this route is on this timing, So then your next
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Speaker 9: progression is off of this footwork, off this timing, so
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Speaker 9: it all ties in perfect. You don't have multiple routes
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Speaker 9: clearing at the same time, which is hard as a
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Speaker 9: quarterback because then you're sitting back there and you got
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Speaker 9: to make a decision before really the guy's open or covered,
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Speaker 9: you know. So I think they've done a really good
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Speaker 9: job with the system of really thinking through how does
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Speaker 9: it tie into a quarterbacks feet And that's what we've
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Speaker 9: been talking about. And it takes some work and you know,
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Speaker 9: flipping my stands, just some little things like that that
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Speaker 9: are small that many people wouldn't notice, but it is.
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Speaker 9: I have so many banked reps of the other way.
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Speaker 9: I got to just get all these on my own
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Speaker 9: and work them so once camp comes around, I'm ready
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Speaker 9: to go.
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Speaker 4: Interesting thoughts from the quarterback Trevor Lawrence again all the
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Speaker 4: availabilities today at Jaguars dot Com and Jags YouTube.
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Speaker 6: John, Yeah, I thought that was a very interesting SoundBite
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Speaker 6: and something Trevor said later in his availability. I'm not
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Speaker 6: sure he was thinking about it in this way, but
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Speaker 6: he said, it's it's hard, you know. I mean, it's
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Speaker 6: gonna be a hard scheme to learn. But Bucky, I
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Speaker 6: think what I liked about what Trevor just said is
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Speaker 6: it certainly sounded like he believed in the scheme. He
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Speaker 6: believed in what he's seeing enough that during the hard process.
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Speaker 6: I think any new scheme is going to be, you know,
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Speaker 6: a task for a quarterback to learn, varying levels of
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Speaker 6: how difficult it is. But it certainly sounds like he
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Speaker 6: sees things in this scheme that when he's learning it
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Speaker 6: and going through it, he believes in it enough to
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Speaker 6: get through to the other end. If that makes sense.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, My takeaway was very similar to what you had
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Speaker 5: like in terms of him believing in it. My interpretation
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Speaker 5: of what Trevor said was he believes in the organization
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Speaker 5: and the structure of the offense that is sensible to him,
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Speaker 5: that the footwork matches the depth of the route, and
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Speaker 5: so for everyone to understand this is send three steps
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Speaker 5: and go and three steps in a hitch and all.
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Speaker 2: Of those things.
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Speaker 5: Because for the quarterback, if he trusts his feet he
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Speaker 5: gets to the back foot, the ball has to come
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Speaker 5: out on time. But for that to really work, the
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Speaker 5: receivers have to be running routes where they're breaking open
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Speaker 5: at the same time.
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Speaker 2: And it's one of these things where it looks like
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Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 5: It's all organized and choreographed, and so everyone has to
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Speaker 5: be on the same page. And when he talks about
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Speaker 5: like previously guys kind of getting open at the same level, well,
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Speaker 5: that's really hard for the quarterback to kind of figure out, like, well,
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Speaker 5: well who do I go to? Who should Who do
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Speaker 5: I think is going to come over? So there's more guesswork,
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Speaker 5: and it appears without seeing it.
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Speaker 2: It appears that.
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Speaker 5: Things clearly defined, and that makes life easier on the quarterback.
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Speaker 5: So I can't say that the system is quarterback friendly,
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Speaker 5: but I will say I've seen Baker Mayfield, and I've
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Speaker 5: also because office, according to it comes from Minnesota, I've
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Speaker 5: seen Sam Donald have a lot of success in this system.
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Speaker 5: And I also think about the rams and how Jarrett
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Speaker 5: Golf looked one way for a long time.
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Speaker 2: Sean McVay and that staff come in, he.
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Speaker 5: Becomes a Pro Bowl player and takes a team to
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Speaker 5: a super Bowl in that system. So I'm a believer
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Speaker 5: that there's something that they understand about tying it together
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Speaker 5: with the quarterback's feet to allow him to have a
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Speaker 5: lot of success.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and this sort of ties into it too. Liam
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Speaker 6: Cohen and his availability to day talked a lot about
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Speaker 6: playing with an unclouded mind I think was the word
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Speaker 6: that he used, or a clearly yeah. And so it
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Speaker 6: certainly will find out how it all looks. But I
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Speaker 6: think in those sound bites we certainly heard the beginnings
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Speaker 6: of the theme of what they're talking about and what
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Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence is going to be the storyline as we
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Speaker 6: go forward into this season, because to me, if he
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Speaker 6: takes huge steps, the fundamentals around him or the core
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Speaker 6: around him is capable of taking steps with him without
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Speaker 6: him taking steps, I don't know that this roster is
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Speaker 6: going to be enough to lift you to a twelve
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Speaker 6: and five season. If he takes huge steps, anything can happen.
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Speaker 6: He's the storyline, and I you know, I think we've
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Speaker 6: seen the basis of our discussion points.
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Speaker 3: As we move forward with him, the Jags are coming
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Speaker 3: to you.
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Speaker 4: Join us on April tenth, Thursday for an exclusive meet
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Speaker 4: and greet with Jaguars legend Josh Scoby. The VL will
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Speaker 4: be held at Lemon Bar at one twenty Atlantic Boulevard
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Speaker 4: from five thirty pm to seven pm.
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Speaker 3: For more info, call nine O four six three three
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Speaker 3: two thousand. That's your guy, John, That is Mike. You're
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Speaker 3: gonna be there.
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Speaker 6: I probably will not, but I'll text him.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that'll go well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Tuddle up with Bucky Brooks, J P. Shadwick of John
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Speaker 4: Hosier and Jackson Bill with the Miller Electric Center. Bucky
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Speaker 4: Brooks with us out in Los Angeles. Other Jaguars news
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Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker receiving the fifth year option, and then Liam
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Speaker 4: Cohen asked today about Devin Lloyd also in that draft class,
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Speaker 4: and no word on that yet. I got to kind
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Speaker 4: and see him in the building first, be around him
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Speaker 4: a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: That was what the head coach said today.
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Speaker 4: But really around here at least, no surprise on the
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Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker news with the production he's had the last
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Speaker 4: two years, especially John.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, not a surprise to me. And I think the
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Speaker 6: X factor becomes how soon and when do you approach
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Speaker 6: him about long term contract? To me, I mean people
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Speaker 6: who listen know I love Trayvon. I love what he's about.
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Speaker 6: I love what he brings. I think he's a guy
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Speaker 6: that you want in your building and on your team
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Speaker 6: for all the ways that he approaches it and for
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Speaker 6: what he does on the field. And my sense, Bucky,
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Speaker 6: I'm not surprised that they haven't done a deal yet,
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Speaker 6: because when a new regime comes in and you're committing
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Speaker 6: the sort of money that it will take, you know,
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Speaker 6: there's anything wrong with saying, hey, we love what we've
17:04
Speaker 6: seen on film, we love what you're about. Baselli tells
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Speaker 6: us all this stuff. Let's see it, let's make sure
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Speaker 6: the marriage works, let's live together first. Yeah. But I
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Speaker 6: have no doubt or very little doubt that once you're
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Speaker 6: around this kid, Bucky, he's the kind of guy you
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Speaker 6: want to be around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Man, you want to be around him. You love
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Speaker 5: what he's about. He's about the right stuff. And as
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Speaker 5: we think about championship teams having a core nucleus of
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Speaker 5: players that are built the right way, that fit the culture,
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Speaker 5: that fit how you want this team to ultimately perform
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Speaker 5: on and off the field.
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Speaker 2: Man, how can you not like him? And we have
17:44
Speaker 2: seen that is better to be on the.
17:46
Speaker 5: Front end, front end of these things as opposed to
17:49
Speaker 5: the back end, because the.
17:51
Speaker 2: Raid only goes up, it never comes down. So you
17:54
Speaker 2: feel great about him.
17:54
Speaker 5: You feel good about how he handles himself, how he's
17:58
Speaker 5: connected with the team, and importantly, how he plays on
18:02
Speaker 5: the grass since we're using grass analogies.
18:05
Speaker 2: Look, man, you make it happen.
18:08
Speaker 3: All right. Now, we're about two weeks away from the
18:11
Speaker 3: NFL draft.
18:12
Speaker 6: Ot as, no, no, yeah, we got waste for yet
18:16
Speaker 6: a little while before.
18:17
Speaker 2: We've got a mini camp coming. We've got a mini camp.
18:18
Speaker 6: Christ come out.
18:20
Speaker 4: There is a voluntary veteran mini camp after the first
18:23
Speaker 4: two weeks of the off season program.
18:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, right before the draft, right right, three days before
18:28
Speaker 3: the draft.
18:28
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, great opportunity.
18:30
Speaker 3: Do you have a boy?
18:31
Speaker 6: So there's that more mini camps, which is just what
18:35
Speaker 6: you want, John Well, I think it's what everybody wants.
18:38
Speaker 9: JP.
18:38
Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't I think something to look at.
18:43
Speaker 4: All? Right? So then the draft, Bucky, I mean, what's
18:46
Speaker 4: uh what's the latest scuttle this week on in draft
18:50
Speaker 4: circles in the top five.
18:52
Speaker 3: I know it changes daily.
18:53
Speaker 2: It feels like I can't say it necessarily changes daily.
18:58
Speaker 5: But I think the limma that we're going to have
19:02
Speaker 5: as we look at the top five is how many
19:04
Speaker 5: guys are really worthy of being top five picks, meaning
19:07
Speaker 5: who are the true elite prospects in the draft. And
19:12
Speaker 5: people are talking about the quarterbacks, cam Ward, they're talking
19:14
Speaker 5: about Suedar Sanders. But then if you took a consensus,
19:17
Speaker 5: how many high level scouts really believe that those guys
19:21
Speaker 5: are elite players? I would say that when I talk
19:26
Speaker 5: to people, they're about five or six guys that they
19:30
Speaker 5: say are slam dunk elite players, meaning they're the best
19:33
Speaker 5: of the best, regardless of it. So it's always Travis
19:35
Speaker 5: Hunter's in the conversation, after Carter's in the conversation, Ashton
19:39
Speaker 5: Genty is in the conversation, Jayden Walker is always in
19:42
Speaker 5: the conversation, and then Tyler Warren is in the conversation.
19:45
Speaker 5: When people talk about elite, regardless of year, regardless of
19:49
Speaker 5: draft class, those guys would be considered the elite prospects
19:52
Speaker 5: in any class.
19:53
Speaker 2: So they're transcendent. That's where we're at.
19:55
Speaker 5: And so it's really important that as we talk about
19:57
Speaker 5: being in the top five, that you want to take
20:01
Speaker 5: a player that his performance and production and value matches
20:05
Speaker 5: where you're picking him at because if not, you can
20:07
Speaker 5: be disappointed when you take someone at five and they
20:11
Speaker 5: don't have those traits, and so you're like, man, he's
20:14
Speaker 5: the top five pick. He should be a perennial Pro
20:16
Speaker 5: Bowl player and All Pro player, someone that anchors the
20:19
Speaker 5: franchise as a high level star for five or so years.
20:24
Speaker 5: If you don't put the right player in that fifth slot,
20:28
Speaker 5: you can be disappointed and ultimately you're going to have
20:30
Speaker 5: to redo it because he's never going to live up
20:32
Speaker 5: to what your expectation is. So that's why it's tricky
20:35
Speaker 5: in terms of making sure not by need but by
20:39
Speaker 5: best player available, that you take a player that is
20:41
Speaker 5: available at the fifth spot that gives you all Pro
20:44
Speaker 5: caliber production for the next four or so years.
20:47
Speaker 6: All right, a question then for the draft philosopher. Yeah,
20:52
Speaker 6: and I wonder about this, Jalen Walker. Yeah, you know,
20:58
Speaker 6: if a edge guy is elite, nobody has any issue
21:03
Speaker 6: with them in the top five. What's weirder to see
21:07
Speaker 6: in the top five in this era running back or
21:10
Speaker 6: tight end, because both of them historically. That's how there
21:15
Speaker 6: are people in the league who would feel weird about
21:18
Speaker 6: either of those positions. Top five, right, Yeah, I.
21:22
Speaker 5: Mean there are people that they kind of stick to
21:23
Speaker 5: that quote unquote positional value stuff. But what I would
21:26
Speaker 5: tell you is good players are good players, and great
21:29
Speaker 5: players are great players.
21:30
Speaker 2: And there's a difference between good and great.
21:32
Speaker 5: And I would rather have a great player at any
21:35
Speaker 5: position than a really good player at a marquee position,
21:38
Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, it's a star
21:41
Speaker 5: driven league, and the team that typically accumulates the most stars,
21:45
Speaker 5: so the teams that win.
21:46
Speaker 2: Year after year after year.
21:49
Speaker 5: So regardless of whether it's a position high value position
21:52
Speaker 5: or not, I want to get a star at pick
21:54
Speaker 5: number five. And I think is really important that when
21:57
Speaker 5: you're evaluating the player, it pops and you can envision.
22:00
Speaker 5: Dave Getlman got in trouble a few years ago when
22:03
Speaker 5: he took Saquon Barkley number two, but he said, when
22:05
Speaker 5: I'm picking at the top of the board, it's a
22:07
Speaker 5: boardant and I can close my eyes and envision this
22:09
Speaker 5: guy eventually donning a gold jacket.
22:13
Speaker 2: That is kind of how the Jaguars have to operate.
22:15
Speaker 5: Who are the players in the draft that you can
22:17
Speaker 5: see being perennial Pro Bowl players and eventually evolving into
22:21
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame caliber player. That's who should be
22:24
Speaker 5: on your radar when we're picking fifth overall.
22:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, And a funny discussion or email I received somebody said, well,
22:33
Speaker 6: you know the running back GENTI, he's not AP, He's
22:37
Speaker 6: not Adrian Peterson. And my thought was, is he Saquon?
22:42
Speaker 6: Because I mean, and those are the discussions, right, and
22:45
Speaker 6: I understand that's what you talk about with running backs,
22:50
Speaker 6: you know, and there is a long term that I
22:53
Speaker 6: sort of fall into the other side of it. I
22:55
Speaker 6: would have trouble taking running back that early just because
22:58
Speaker 6: I'm that guy. We touched on that last But I
23:00
Speaker 6: kind of get what you're talking about.
23:01
Speaker 2: Bucky.
23:02
Speaker 6: If he's.
23:04
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let's not even tell what if what
23:08
Speaker 5: if he what if he's Christian McCaffrey, what if he's whatever. Like,
23:11
Speaker 5: when you really look at the history, the bus factor
23:15
Speaker 5: in the top ten with running backs is not really
23:19
Speaker 5: what we make it out to be. Like the guys
23:21
Speaker 5: that have really been taken up. Even when people talk
23:23
Speaker 5: about Todd Gurley, Oh my god, Todd Gurley, tdd Gurley
23:26
Speaker 5: was Offensive Player of the Year, Like we would we
23:28
Speaker 5: would take that kind of production. I'll say this because
23:31
Speaker 5: you mentioned what if he's Fred Taylor, Like, like, what
23:39
Speaker 5: if he's Fred? What if he can give you where
23:40
Speaker 5: Fred Taylor gave the franchise as RB one. Now I
23:44
Speaker 5: would say this, The thing that I would suggest doing
23:48
Speaker 5: is make sure we backstop him with another high level back.
23:51
Speaker 5: Maybe that's Tant Bigsby or whatever, But I'm just saying,
23:55
Speaker 5: we have to grade the talent for the talent, and
23:59
Speaker 5: what we don't want to do is force somebody into
24:01
Speaker 5: that spot that we know, in our heart of hearts
24:04
Speaker 5: is not a potential superstar. I would rather swing and
24:08
Speaker 5: miss on a guy who exhibits star like straits than
24:13
Speaker 5: to settle for someone that is just okay, he's a
24:16
Speaker 5: starter in the top five.
24:17
Speaker 2: You want more than just a starter in the top five.
24:19
Speaker 6: You want special And is this the kind of back
24:21
Speaker 6: and forth, Bucky that most teams are going to have
24:24
Speaker 6: for a month leading to the draft, Like how does
24:28
Speaker 6: a draft room work like that?
24:30
Speaker 9: Or is it?
24:31
Speaker 6: Hey, you know what we believe this, and this is
24:34
Speaker 6: what we're going with. You know what I'm saying.
24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, this is what we're doing. We're scrimmaging it out.
24:40
Speaker 5: And at some point there's this overall philosophy of how
24:44
Speaker 5: we draft players and what we believe in, and that
24:46
Speaker 5: is set and established by the general manager. Hey, this
24:49
Speaker 5: is what we believe in philosophically when it comes to
24:52
Speaker 5: who we draft, how we draft, how we attack the
24:54
Speaker 5: top of the board. Then is the conversation that you
24:58
Speaker 5: he has to manage between need versus best player available,
25:03
Speaker 5: because what happens is the need tends to get into
25:07
Speaker 5: your grades and it impacts who we end up putting
25:10
Speaker 5: it at the top of the board because it just
25:12
Speaker 5: so happens to coincide.
25:13
Speaker 2: With the position of need that we have.
25:16
Speaker 5: And what the general manager and the leadership team they
25:19
Speaker 5: have to do is no, no, let's take the position
25:23
Speaker 5: out of it.
25:23
Speaker 2: How good is this player? What does he have?
25:27
Speaker 5: What is superpowers? How can we utilize those superpowers to
25:30
Speaker 5: maximize him? Is he worthy of being a top five selection?
25:34
Speaker 5: That's where the conversation should start. And then if you
25:37
Speaker 5: stack the board based on that. I always tell people
25:40
Speaker 5: it's really as simple. If we are all at the
25:41
Speaker 5: park and we're about to play pickup in a Turkey
25:44
Speaker 5: day ball and we're going down, Hey, give me Johnny,
25:47
Speaker 5: give me this, give me that. That's as simple as
25:49
Speaker 5: it really should be. Who do I want on my
25:52
Speaker 5: team that I know is going to help me win
25:54
Speaker 5: the turkey ball? That's what I want and it should
25:56
Speaker 5: be as simple as that. Don't make it.
25:58
Speaker 3: Harder than what it is.
25:59
Speaker 2: I know, we talk about it being rocket science is.
26:01
Speaker 5: Not pick really good players, and the really good players
26:05
Speaker 5: pop on tape, spend less time projecting how they're gonna be.
26:08
Speaker 2: Look at the players that are really good.
26:10
Speaker 5: Take those guys, and more times than not, whatever they
26:12
Speaker 5: showed you in college, they're gonna replicate.
26:14
Speaker 2: It when they becomes when they become pros.
26:16
Speaker 3: That kind of goes to the philosophy of not having
26:18
Speaker 3: them visit. I mean, take that a little bit out
26:20
Speaker 3: of the equation and focus on the tape.
26:23
Speaker 5: That's the influence, because what happens is we're trying to
26:28
Speaker 5: keep So there's some coaches that believe in keeping distance
26:31
Speaker 5: from the players because if you get emotionally attached, it
26:34
Speaker 5: clouds how you feel about them.
26:36
Speaker 2: Same thing with the draft process.
26:38
Speaker 5: There are guys that man we gravitate towards there's some
26:41
Speaker 5: kind of connection that we have, but it may impact
26:44
Speaker 5: our ability to really take the bias out and evaluate.
26:48
Speaker 2: The player for the player.
26:49
Speaker 5: I understand why you wouldn't want to have a lot
26:52
Speaker 5: of people in the building because you're like, no, no, no,
26:54
Speaker 5: I don't want this to cloud because I love the person.
26:57
Speaker 2: I don't want the cloud. How I really rate the player?
27:01
Speaker 6: Yeah, like JP, I'm not taking her play left tackle.
27:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, good idea.
27:08
Speaker 2: Don't need that.
27:10
Speaker 3: Nobody needs that. Certainly Trevor Lawrence doesn't need that.
27:13
Speaker 6: A lot of the egg Yeah, look at.
27:15
Speaker 4: Duck, Trevor Duck run. Hey, I got some bad news, guys.
27:21
Speaker 4: T Pain is out, but Kodak he's out. He's been
27:25
Speaker 4: replaced as the headliner for the May thirty first show
27:28
Speaker 4: by Kodak Black.
27:29
Speaker 6: Well that's fine.
27:31
Speaker 2: Oh you know that might that might bring out. That's
27:34
Speaker 2: gonna bring one.
27:34
Speaker 5: It's gonna bring out a different it's gonna bring out
27:37
Speaker 5: a different element in terms of the young.
27:39
Speaker 2: People are gonna show out more so than they would
27:41
Speaker 2: have shown out for T Pain.
27:42
Speaker 5: So our players probably appreciate Kodak Black coming more so
27:47
Speaker 5: than T Pain they made out of faded They might
27:49
Speaker 5: have been like a throwback to the odies for our guests.
27:53
Speaker 4: Well, if you had a ticket for T Pain, any
27:58
Speaker 4: previously pursued tickets are still valid, by the way, but
28:01
Speaker 4: if you need a refine, you'll get emails directly through
28:05
Speaker 4: Ticketmaster with instructions for that, so check out your email
28:10
Speaker 4: for that. Plenty of great shows coming up this spring
28:12
Speaker 4: and summer at Dailiesplace dot com.
28:14
Speaker 6: I'll say this, I am just as big a fan
28:16
Speaker 6: of Kodak back.
28:18
Speaker 2: Oh look, it doesn't change my plans, change plans.
28:20
Speaker 3: We're still going.
28:21
Speaker 2: We're still my plans were to be there when T.
28:24
Speaker 2: Paine was in the building.
28:24
Speaker 5: So now I just have to like update my playlist,
28:27
Speaker 5: make sure I'm up on Code at Black and his
28:29
Speaker 5: latest stuff.
28:29
Speaker 2: But we're good to go. Nothing changes good to go.
28:32
Speaker 4: I wonder if locked in, can we get the couch
28:34
Speaker 4: from Baseli you think one of those lounge couches things.
28:38
Speaker 6: Not if he's on it first.
28:40
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the e v P. He can make
28:42
Speaker 2: anything happen. He's like the Wizard.
28:44
Speaker 5: I feel like we can go down as we can
28:45
Speaker 5: go down to Yellow Bick Road and be like, hey,
28:47
Speaker 5: here's what we need.
28:48
Speaker 3: Tony, who make a phone call?
28:51
Speaker 6: You keep feeling that way.
28:55
Speaker 2: It's like Aladdin, we get some wishes and whatever we want.
29:01
Speaker 3: All right, We've got you got an EV podcast coming
29:04
Speaker 3: up soon, right, I do.
29:05
Speaker 6: I think it'll probably air post whatever you call it now, Uh,
29:10
Speaker 6: probably next week, I believe. I talked to him today
29:13
Speaker 6: and I think there's gonna We're gonna give some time
29:15
Speaker 6: for the production crew to dress up a little bit.
29:18
Speaker 6: But it's it's good stuff. He as people know. The
29:24
Speaker 6: EV podcast is what we're gonna do periodically with Tony.
29:28
Speaker 8: Uh.
29:29
Speaker 6: He's high end in terms of verbalizing and saying what
29:33
Speaker 6: the direction of the franchise. So I'm excited about it
29:35
Speaker 6: and it's a good one.
29:36
Speaker 3: I love that. Paths of the Draft still going on, Bucky.
29:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, Path of the Draft is do going on. But
29:42
Speaker 2: make sure you also pants.
29:43
Speaker 5: And I know you guys are infatuated with mock drafts.
29:46
Speaker 5: Mock Draft Live also goes on on Tuesdays. Path to
29:49
Speaker 5: the Draft is daily. You can check all that out.
29:51
Speaker 5: We're doing great. A little content. We did like a
29:54
Speaker 5: little mini mock draft yesterday where I was able to
29:58
Speaker 5: put a jail and Walker with the Jaguar at five
30:00
Speaker 5: just because it happened to work out that way.
30:02
Speaker 6: So who knows who are you married to at five bucks?
30:05
Speaker 5: Not married to anybody. We're just gonna make sure that
30:07
Speaker 5: we get the best player. Not married to anybody. We
30:09
Speaker 5: can take the best player.
30:10
Speaker 2: We gotta be number. We can't be married.
30:12
Speaker 3: We can't be married.
30:13
Speaker 6: People come on down the hall.
30:15
Speaker 7: And give that.
30:17
Speaker 5: Can't be We can't be married to anybody because we're five.
30:20
Speaker 5: We got four people that determine our fate. So I
30:23
Speaker 5: can't say, hey man, I'm locked in on this player.
30:25
Speaker 2: He may not be there. So we got to go
30:27
Speaker 2: with an open mind. In fact, we got to get open.
30:31
Speaker 6: I'll bet we could get even as guarded as glass.
30:35
Speaker 6: I bet you would give us more than that.
30:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean look, I mean back back in our day,
30:39
Speaker 5: I think like it's like going to the sock cop.
30:42
Speaker 5: You can't go to the sock cop with with one
30:44
Speaker 5: girl in mind. You got to make sure that you're open.
30:46
Speaker 5: You don't know who's gonna say yes. You got to
30:48
Speaker 5: take a couple of shots before you get the bell.
30:50
Speaker 3: Of the ball hold on.
30:52
Speaker 6: So I looked at the other one sock cop this
30:55
Speaker 6: is nineteen fifty two.
30:57
Speaker 3: What are you talking about.
31:00
Speaker 6: I'm guessing you didn't listen to t Payne at the
31:02
Speaker 6: sock Hop probably or cod or Kodak.
31:06
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Bill Haley in the comics played your
31:12
Speaker 3: sock hop? Is that what happened?
31:13
Speaker 2: Come on, man, do all that. I still like driving
31:16
Speaker 2: movies and all that other stuff. Like some things should
31:18
Speaker 2: never go away.
31:19
Speaker 6: It's a kid from Raleigh, right there, no doubt.
31:23
Speaker 4: Thursday, it's Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock logging and
31:27
Speaker 4: and I will have a recap of everything that happened today.
31:30
Speaker 3: Once again, Bucky, have a great week. We'll do it
31:32
Speaker 3: again next week.
31:34
Speaker 2: Man, let's do it all right.
31:35
Speaker 4: Bye, Bucky Brooks, John O's MJP Shadwick Our thanks to David,
31:39
Speaker 4: Joe and Joe Fortunato. Thanks to you for listening and
31:42
Speaker 4: watching to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.