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The RED SOX trade Rafael Devers to the GIANTS! · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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  Believe the Mets are going to give him a significant You're
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  going to have a ton of money to spend.
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  Why not pulling in one of the top three offensive players in
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  the league? We're going to be looking at
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  Aaron Judge and saying that he can't win the big game, Michael
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  Jordan said. I played 80. 2.
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  Games. You don't see LeBron doing that
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  a game. Where you got to go for four?
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  I told you, giant feet. Saquon Barkley at.
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  This point. Let's do it.
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  You're listening to Java and the mouth.
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  Mouth. Welcome, welcome.
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  Welcome, everybody to another episode of Jabba and the Mouth.
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  I'm filling in here, Aaron Fishman filling in for the one
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  and only Errol Marx on a cruise right now, but we're still here
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  live with Speedy PD and Jabba Chamberlain on scene from Omaha,
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  the College World Series. What's up, boys?
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  What's happening? What's going on, guys?
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  Well, tonight is a very special edition.
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  Again, Errol is on vacation. He doesn't take many of them,
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  but he trusts us enough to to do so.
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  He's on a cruise. So I want to start off talking a
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  little bit about cruises. Guys, if you are going to
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  interested in calling in tonight before we get into any of that
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  So please reach out on socials and text if you're trying to get
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  involved into it. And we'll have you guys contact
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  back and forth in DMS and we'll try to get one of you on.
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  Thank you as well. Our first comments are Sean
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  Browning subscribing to our page as well.
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  Yeah, we saw some comments. People want to have more
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  callers. Well, it's just a little bit
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  tricky. You know, we have, some of us
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  are in upstate New York, some of us are out in Long Island.
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  We got people in Nebraska. It's a little bit tricky to also
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  have a phone call and go through the system.
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  So we'd like to try to do more of that going forward.
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  Absolutely, for sure. So we welcome everybody that's
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  coming in. Look, this is the day after
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  Father's Day. We're going to have a little bit
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  of Father's Day talk in the middle of this episode tonight.
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  A lot of interesting stories we'll get to later.
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  But first, Jabba, how many cruises have you ever been on?
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  I've actually never been on a cruise.
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  So I've been on a few speedy You go.
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  Ever go on a cruise to your family?
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  I have not. Speedy, I don't.
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  I think you would love a cruise. It's like you're in like an
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  indoor mall and they have like places to party inside.
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  They have casinos inside. They got all you can eat
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  throughout the entire place and the everyone's mission is just
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  to be hammered the entire time and sit out by the pool when
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  it's nice out and dance and party when it's when it's dark.
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  Out I've been on. I've been on a few boats I've
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  been on. When I was in Maine back in 2022
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  I went whale watching and did a fishing boat.
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  One of the other times when I was in 2013 and we actually
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  encountered a bald eagle pretty close to us.
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  But no, never been on a cruise. Bald eagle.
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  Yeah, there's actually a bunch of bald eagles up by where I
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  coach football by West Point. You see them sometimes driving
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  up in the fall, which is really cool.
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  The, the interns are, are right on top of this in the chat.
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  Errol doesn't drink yet. He's on the cruise right now.
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  And I, I when I was 19, I went on a no booze cruise with my
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  family. Do you think that's something a
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  19 year old just finished freshman year college is
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  interested in doing? Doesn't seem like it.
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  What was the circumstance? The circumstances it was, oh, we
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  have a trip, let's go. We'll have, I think it was like
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  Cozumel, Mexico, but as you just stop there for a day, you don't
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  get to actually go to Cozumel. You don't get to experience much
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  culture unless you do like these excursions.
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  And we got to go to like Mayan ruins and it was really cool.
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  But I didn't really appreciate it because I was 18 or 19 and
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  all I want to do is party and I'm there with my parents and
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  there was like nothing to do. My little brother, there were a
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  bunch of little kids running around.
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  He had a great time. I was talking to him about it at
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  Father's Day. He came on over, We grilled up
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  some food, some shish kebabs. I've got into big shish kebab
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  kick recently. Marinate them and some teriyaki
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  marinade I make myself. You get they always seem to come
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  out good. You know, just some vegetables.
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  Pineapple by the way, pineapple and and teriyaki sauce.
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  Match made in heaven. I don't know if you ever knew
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  that, guys. Interesting.
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  I will give a shout out to our intern Zach with the word of the
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  day, Philosophobia. Yeah, What?
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  I Zach, why don't you turn your camera on just for a second?
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  Because you got to tell us this word.
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  I've never heard this before. I do.
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  I I have taught AP history and I thought I've seen pretty much
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  everything in an essay. What?
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  What's pronounced this and tell us what this is.
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  So the last of phobia is a fear of very deep water.
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  It stems from the movie Jaws because I'm terrified of sharks,
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  which has nothing to do with deep water, but.
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  So does Errol. Errol is also terrified of
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  sharks, another reason why this is a crazy trip for him.
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  Yeah, like I'm like, I find sharks so fascinating.
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  I find any sea creature fascinating, but I won't go in
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  the sea because I just, if I can't touch the bottom of
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  something, I'm not going in it. I'm just not.
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  I don't like it. Like I remember 2 summers ago I
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  went out to the beach with my friends who surf and they wanted
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  to go to the sandbar. And those of you who don't know
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  what a sandbar is, it's basically like a pile of sand
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  kind of far out in the water. And I didn't realize how far out
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  it was. And I started swimming and I
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  couldn't touch the bottom of the ocean.
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  And I was freaking out. I was like hyperventilating.
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  It was the worst song of my life.
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  It was so terrifying. They have plenty of those here
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  with the beaches on the South Shore, and I'm sure Nathan's
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  experienced bunch of them in New Jersey as well.
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  Yeah, it's. It's not fun.
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  It's not fun. Jobby, you got it.
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  You got any sandbar experiences? Some nice nice little bars out
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  in the middle of nowhere. Not necessarily in the middle of
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  nowhere, maybe some swim up bars at some hotels and resorts, but
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  no, no sandbars. I I, I'd love I swam with
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  dolphins. I want to do, Speaking of you
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  being scared of sharks, I want to do like a shark cage where
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  you go down and like get to take pictures like that would be
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  super, super. Cool Jabba versus the.
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  Jaws yeah, I I just, I just hope somehow it doesn't come on loose
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  and they, they can come get me. So it's like.
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  But no, I love it. I remember I was a sophomore in
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  college and you know, we got to, I got snorkeling for the first
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  time because being in Nebraska, you don't really get these
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  oceans and stuff. So it's like, you know, our,
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  our, our lakes are just fishing and, and ripping lips.
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  That's about all we do here. So I'll never forget.
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  I learned what coral was real quick when I wasn't paying
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  attention and I went over it. No, that wasn't it.
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  That wasn't it. That it's as sharp as like
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  anything could be. Yeah, wasn't it?
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  It's like knives of sandpaper. Almost it was.
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  So I went back-to-back years. I went as a player in college
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  and I got drafted. And then I, I played in winter
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  league in Hawaii. And so when we were there my
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  sophomore year, it was whale mating season.
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  So we got to see like you could hear the noises under the water
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  and then you could literally like then watch them jump and
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  like how, how does something that big jump out of the water?
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  Like how does that happen? There's definitely some
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  scientific explanation to behind how they can get that much
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  force, but I imagine once they start moving it's hard to stop
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  that train. Java.
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  Oh. Java.
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  In the simplest of terms, it's evolution.
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  Oh, thanks Speedy, that helps. We are going to be without the
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  sound board tonight, aren't we? It's.
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  Going to definitely. Be a different.
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  Field to bring Nathan in just to fill in his sounds.
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  He can do it themselves. Yeah, Nathan is like a walking
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  sound board. That is true, guys.
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  We're going to talk about a whole bunch of stuff tonight.
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  Obviously Stanley Cup Finals Game 6 is tomorrow.
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  Florida's up 32. We'll get to that later tonight.
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  There was a wild NBA trade between the Magic and the
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  Grizzlies for Desmond Bain, something around 5:00.
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  First round picks were either traded or swapped in it,
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  including a pick this year and a very coveted pick next year if
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  I'm not mistaken. We are going to talk about
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  Shohei of time before he starts tonight.
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  He's going to be the opener, it looks like for the Dodgers as
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  part of his rehab. He's going to be starting
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  tonight and nobody thought we were going to see him until much
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  closer to the All Star break. But most, most of us thought
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  after the All Star break. So we're going to get into that
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  and we're going to get right into some of our big stories
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  right now. The Yankees were swept by the
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  Red Sox this weekend, but I don't know if I've ever seen a
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  situation as similar to this where the Red Sox trade a guy
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  who's their best hitter after sweeping the first place team,
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  getting within 6 1/2 games back and and yes, trade star, I
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  guess, still third baseman. Technically some hybrid deserts
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  to the San Francisco Giants. That's where we're starting
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  tonight. So Devers to the Giants fan
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  side, it's Robert Murray. Reports that the Red Sox have
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  traded Raphael Devers to the Giants.
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  The Red Sox get back left-handed pitcher Kyle Harrison, who's
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  like a top prospect that really didn't show much his first
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  years, his second year now relief pitcher Jordan Hicks
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  who's tried to start, he was a closer, he went from Saint
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  Louis. He ended up bouncing around a
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  little bit himself. Outfield prospect James Tibbs,
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  who's their 4th overall prospect, and rookie ball
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  pitcher Jose Value. The Giants will take on the
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  remainder the entirety of Dever's contract, which has $250
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  million left on 1/4 of a billion dollars over the next nine
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  years. ESP NS Jeff Passan reports the
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  Red Sox endeavors grew tired of each other in regards to Dever's
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  wanting to stay at third base when the Red Sox wanted him to
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  be the designated hitter, passing as at the Red Sox as
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  Devers if he would move to first base after full time full time
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  after Tristan Cassis suffered a sneezing ending injury earlier
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  this year, Devers said no and this was the final straw in the
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  relationship, the debt. The Red Sox are sitting at 37
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  and 36 right now. 6 1/2 games back in the Ales, half a game
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  back in the AL Wild card. The Giants themselves two games
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  back of the Dodgers in the NL W, currently second NL wild card
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  spot. Devers currently this year
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  batting 27 929-O5OPS15 homers, 58 RBIs.
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  I guess they don't want to win. I guess they decided we don't
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  want to have a good team this year.
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  We want to bottom out as best we can.
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  We don't want to spend the money.
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  We want to get rid of all our bad contracts and we think we
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  did it. We have the best farm system.
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  We are ready to start over with these, with the great three guys
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  they brought up Christian Campbell, Roman Anthony and
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  Marcelo Mayer. It's hard to argue with that
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  philosophy, except you just traded a guy who's when Clayton
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  Kershaw heard this on the air when the right after he was
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  traded, he said he's easily one of the top 10 hitters in all of
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  baseball. He also started the year
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  horrifically. Do you remember how bad his
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  April was? Rafael Devers, we did a segment.
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  Back. Didn't it go over over like 20
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  something? Yeah, at one stretch.
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  Strikeouts to start the season I'm.
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  Pretty sure and he mentioned it in his segment, yeah.
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  We did a segment of like the people.
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  It's the guys who had the worst stats in all of April and Devers
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  was like one of the worst players in the league.
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  The fact that his numbers are now 272 with a nine O 5 OPS that
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  tells you just how good he's been since May 1st.
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  You can argue he's a top five hitter in all of baseball since
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  May 1st. He's been that good.
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  In fact, he destroyed the Yankees again like he always
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  does. He's one of those Yankee killers
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  like David Ortiz generations ago.
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  Every time this guy got up, you knew that he was going to have
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  something for even our best pitchers.
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  That's who Devers was. Garrett Cole, I'm sure is happy
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  even though he's not pitching this year.
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  Doesn't have to see him anymore, or at least more than every once
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  in a while. Garrett Cole, I mean, I don't
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  have the stats in front of me, but I don't think he did very
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  well against Devers. My memory is a little.
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  I seem to just remember it being really bad.
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  This is a fascinating trade. I don't know if I've ever seen
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  this happen. Jabba, when was the last time
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  that you have seen anything like this happened from a team that
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  just swept the first place team? I, I honestly had no idea and
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  shout out to my guy, Jared Carabas.
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  Follow him on Jared unscore Carabas on next Twitter and in
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  his podcast. And he's, he's a Red Sox guy.
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  And you know, I, I try to go to the source when I can and he
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  even didn't have any idea. And I don't know the time that I
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  seen it. I don't know if it was if there
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  was something internally that was going.
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  On it had to be there were no other rumors.
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  Yeah, and we didn't hear anything.
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  And it was like, oh, OK, they kind of got through it when when
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  they signed Bregman, we obviously talked about that and
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  kind of how that went, but we hadn't really heard anything
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  about it. And then obviously he made the
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  turn and, you know, as, as Kyle stated in our chat, he was, oh,
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  for 19 with 15 KS. Like that's, that's, that's an
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  awful start. As bad as you can start.
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  In an awful stretch. And so, you know, I'm just
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  asking guys that no, because we hadn't heard anything and if we
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  hear something, we're obviously going to talk about it and
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  understand, you know, kind of where they're coming from.
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  But this after a sweep and still obviously, you know, people are
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  panicking, but they're still 42 and 29.
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  Like let's let's just be honest. And but for it to happen in this
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  way, I think what really says it and you said it fish, is the
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  fact that they're like, you know what, we got rid of the entire
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  contract. And I think that tells us
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  something. I don't know what that is, but
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  they definitely told us something there and that and is
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  that is that Craig Breslow in in what they were doing in the
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  front office either trying to get rid of it or saying like our
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  farm system is good enough to where we can replace these guys.
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  I think there's a little bit telling factors in kind of
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  pieces, not necessarily the whole tail of it, but I think it
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  comes down to the lingering effect that I think this all had
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  from the start right when Bregman came in and did that.
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  So it's it'll be interesting to see how it plays out and it and
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  it really will be and see, see what happens.
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  Sweetie, I got the analytics for you that I wanted to you to
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  focus on as we go through this. I read something that Devers
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  like contract value is like, like if there was like the way
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  there's a specific measurement where they said that his
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  contract's so bad it's like he's worth -40 million to his team.
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  Really. I wonder why?
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  Is that why are people saying this about Devers when we see
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  the offense? Well, but, and especially when
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  Clayton comes out and says he's one and and you got to put
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  respect on Clayton's name for what he's done right.
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  And you would think a left-handed Hall of Fame
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  left-handed pitcher would know who the good left-handed hitters
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  are. Yeah, and he's one of the better
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  pure hitters for a lefty, too, at least at the beginning of his
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  career. So maybe they'll strike out
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  numbers, I guess. Got that number down.
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  I was thinking, yeah, OK, there's going to be a negative.
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  I would never have thought -40 million like that.
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  I would maybe 2015 but. Well, it's a massive contract.
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  Right it is. It is 11 years, 331 for a player
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  that's young, durable and left-handed, though is still
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  something that is going to spawn value.
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  Now, I guess the power numbers for somebody like that have been
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  a bit inconsistent, but he still is it mostly 25 or higher and I
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  think five of the seven years of his career.
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  So it's still not something that is that worrisome for a guy that
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  is super durable. Yes, his defense is a concern,
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  but I think everybody knew that even when he came up as a third
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  baseman. And that's where I don't know if
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  the value still stems for the Red Sox to be able to trade him
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  as drastically as they did. So maybe I think it's exactly
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  what you're saying. Java is something internal that
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  got worse relationship wise where it's driven them to think,
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  all right, is there an ulterior motive we can use this money for
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  that? The problem is why couldn't they
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  try that in this trade? Like, you have a month to do it.
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  If this was like right at the deadline, all right, maybe you'd
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  say all right, you don't want this to get worse.
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  That's that's the part, Speedy. That kind of like boggles my
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  mind too, is this wouldn't be such a big conversation if it
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  was closer to the deadline, right?
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  Yeah, because I think they have time.
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  Like I think especially with the kids already up, all three kids
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  of the top prospects, we talked about the start of the year all
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  up now, like you have leeway of maneuvering other contracts.
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  They traded the one kid, the catcher for crochet, but the
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  rest of their other young kids are still there in the top top
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  seven of their farm system that year.
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  So they have enough time to maneuver something where you
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  trade one of them, you maybe trade him and you can still even
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  get a better player. Or the other option is you trade
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  him and then pack it like package a deal when you know
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  your weaknesses to try to get the combined value in that,
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  whether it's from other line of depth or whether it's from
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  bullpen, whatever, whatever it'll need.
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  Or you get another star that's maybe a slight drop off and
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  another depth pitcher. And then all of a sudden you're
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  in a better spot or in just a good of a spot as if you had
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  Devers there. And maybe it wouldn't cause the
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  same kind of culture issues. I don't know if he had any bad
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  relationship with any of the younger players.
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  I don't think that was revealed as much.
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  But you mentioned the tension with Bregman.
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  Maybe that ended up getting to it.
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  And with even with Bregman hurt, though, that's what's the
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  biggest thing that was surprising.
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  He's hurt like you would think, all right, you don't have to
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  have it deal with him for a month or anything like that.
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  And I guess it was still enough with the front office or it was
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  a big issue. And I want to just relay Kyle's
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  comments as well is to remind you of the guys with the Red Sox
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  offloaded Adrian Gonzalez and Josh Beckett to the Dodgers.
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  I think it's a little different. They were really badly over the
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  the cap at that time. And that's when the cap I ever,
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  I think first started with the with the luxury tax.
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  And the Red Sox were one of the most disappointing teams in the
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  league that year. And that was later in the
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  season. Like they were big favorites in
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  that division definitely, and one of the biggest in the
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  American League at the time when they did that.
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  I think it's a different circumstance than this year when
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  there's a lot of mediocre teams in the American League right now
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  that they could still make a run in the playoffs.
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  They have these kids coming up. Maybe it's a spark for them.
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  We've seen younger teams do very well in today's game.
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  So here's what I remember growing up at the Java and we're
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  the same age, so you remember this guy too.
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  There was a guy on Seattle that didn't play the field after
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  starting his career as third baseman, and I remember him
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  recently getting into the Hall of Fame as ADH named Edgar
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  Martinez. Now I'm not saying Rafael Devers
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  is the hitter of Edgar Martinez, but if you're trying to get a
• 20:35
  left-handed power hitter into a lineup that doesn't really have
• 20:38
  a dude in it, because let's face it, that Giants lineup, if it
• 20:42
  was missing something, it was missing a centerpiece.
• 20:46
  It was missing a dude. Now he's wouldn't play first
• 20:50
  base. Maybe he'll play first base for
• 20:52
  the Giants. He'll play third right now
• 20:53
  because Chapman had a weird injury to his hand.
• 20:56
  You know, Chapman like sprained like 3 of the fingers in his
• 20:59
  hand. He's going to be out a little
• 21:00
  bit. So he'll play some third.
• 21:03
  But once they come back, you know, those are, you know,
• 21:05
  Chapman and Bregman were two of were they both Gold Glover
• 21:09
  winners last year? I think they may have been
• 21:12
  right. So it's the exact same scenario,
• 21:16
  right? He's going to have to either
• 21:18
  become just a full time DH or learn how to play first base.
• 21:21
  And I think that probably is what he'll do next year.
• 21:24
  And he can always back up at 3rd.
• 21:25
  I mean, even if I, Guerrero Junior started out playing third
• 21:28
  base too, we know that guys and guys that are a little bit
• 21:30
  bigger in size, they gravitate to 1st as they get into their
• 21:33
  30s. It's just a natural thing.
• 21:35
  You don't want guys getting hurt all that much.
• 21:36
  There aren't that many big dudes that play, you know, that level,
• 21:40
  you know, for a long time. I guess Machado getting into his
• 21:43
  30s right now, still playing great defense out there, one of
• 21:46
  the best I'd ever seen. Third base a Rod's another one
• 21:49
  that comes to mind, playing really good defense at third
• 21:51
  later in his career. You know, so the bigger guys you
• 21:56
  like a like endeavors, you want to try to see them protect
• 21:59
  themselves and just hit because he's had a bad shoulder.
• 22:02
  They said that the start of the season his shoulder was messed
• 22:04
  up and it's not surprising. And at the end of the last year,
• 22:06
  it wasn't. And then they didn't really fix
• 22:08
  it well enough. And he was kind of weak on the
• 22:11
  bat late last year and he's good now.
• 22:13
  So what are they saying? Are they saying in Boston that
• 22:17
  they're they're the schedule doesn't line up with having
• 22:21
  Devers and these three young kids, Roman Anthony, that was
• 22:24
  the top prospect in all of baseball coming into the season,
• 22:26
  not named Roki Sasaki, who by the way, it doesn't look like
• 22:29
  we're going to see Roki Sasaki again this season.
• 22:32
  They just said that they'd shut him down again.
• 22:34
  Look, I, I traded for him in fantasy.
• 22:37
  I, I wanted to just, you know, as a shot in the dark, maybe
• 22:40
  that guy can just come back and be like a shot in the arm for
• 22:43
  the playoff run. You never know, He still might
• 22:44
  be. Probably not.
• 22:47
  You've got three guys. Roman Anthony, top prospect.
• 22:50
  Mayor was the top prospect a couple of years ago and you
• 22:53
  know, kind of slot slid down a little bit, but not exactly
• 22:56
  consistent hitting lefties right now.
• 22:58
  So he's platooning while he's up, playing third base while
• 23:01
  Bregman's out. He'll probably move over the
• 23:03
  short. They're going to have to figure
• 23:04
  out what to do with Trevor story, but I would imagine the
• 23:07
  story with stories going to be similar to Devours.
• 23:09
  They're going to move his ass out.
• 23:10
  Jabba, are they just getting rid of the vets right now?
• 23:13
  It's sometimes you get, you get aged out.
• 23:17
  And I think now when you're starting to bring these, and I
• 23:20
  think Craig is probably trying to bring a different like maybe
• 23:24
  perspective to the front office and kind of what he's doing
• 23:27
  with, you know, contracts and how like now you're going to
• 23:31
  have control of these young kids and try to develop.
• 23:34
  And you're not going to have to pay them unless you pay them
• 23:36
  early. And so it, it may be a little
• 23:40
  bit of that, but that also tells me too.
• 23:44
  And it makes me think, are you really trying to win right now?
• 23:49
  Because I'm not saying Young Energy doesn't bring
• 23:52
  championships, but when you have a top caliber like that and you
• 23:56
  get rid of them and you don't really get much of anything back
• 24:00
  other than getting rid of your payroll salary dump.
• 24:03
  Yeah. And and obviously with Jordan
• 24:05
  Hicks, it's when he was with the Cardinals and, you know, it's
• 24:11
  kind of the conversation everybody had about me.
• 24:13
  It's like should have left him there, but he wanted to be a
• 24:15
  starter. They did that kind of understand
• 24:18
  his circumstances, but really when you're getting rid of a guy
• 24:22
  of that caliber, then you don't really get a lot for it.
• 24:27
  It it makes it feel like it's a salary dump to be like, OK, now
• 24:30
  we we've got these young guys, even though Tristan's hurt, but
• 24:35
  you still got control of him too.
• 24:37
  So it's not like you're paying him either.
• 24:40
  So I think it's this is weird. And when when I talk to a Red
• 24:46
  Sox guy, which, you know, it's hard to reach out as a Yankee to
• 24:50
  a Red Sox guy, but if I don't know the answer, I'm going to
• 24:53
  try and find the right answer. And I messaged some other people
• 24:57
  too. And it's just it, it was kind of
• 25:02
  off the grid because as Speedy touched on, like if it was
• 25:05
  closer to deadline, you could kind of understand a little bit
• 25:09
  more of how it makes sense, but now did not get a lot in return.
• 25:15
  And basically just make it look like a salary dump.
• 25:18
  Then it's like, OK, are you trying to win now?
• 25:20
  Are you trying to rebuild? And we, we've talked about that
• 25:23
  before in like the rebuilding process.
• 25:25
  So are you, So what are you doing?
• 25:28
  And I don't honestly know what the hell they're doing to be
• 25:31
  honest with you. You know, I we, we talk about
• 25:35
  Craig Breslow, speedy and the former player now in the front
• 25:39
  office. We were giving a lot of
• 25:41
  congratulations earlier this year, but we keep hearing, you
• 25:44
  know, the Red Sox are don't play very good fundamental baseball.
• 25:49
  They're not there. Was an issue last year too.
• 25:51
  You know that that maybe things aren't all good on the farm and
• 25:55
  we see Campbell coming up. He had a good first three weeks
• 25:58
  of the season and he has struggled the rest of the way.
• 26:02
  And they were talking about maybe he'll play some first when
• 26:04
  Dever said no, he's going to stay at 2nd Mayor again.
• 26:08
  They're platooning him. They don't even want him to see
• 26:10
  lefties right now because Toro's been playing well.
• 26:13
  You know, he's one of those guys that's a good.
• 26:15
  He was pretty good at Seattle the year they made the playoffs.
• 26:17
  Toro. Toro Look, if he's one of those
• 26:20
  players that if you had to play him, you know, 500 at bats,
• 26:23
  you're not going to like what you see.
• 26:24
  But if you can get 350 of him on one side of the plate, you're
• 26:27
  probably going to like what you see out of him, right?
• 26:30
  But then you play in with with mayor.
• 26:32
  So that's that's fine. So that's your decision.
• 26:34
  You still have Trevor story for now.
• 26:36
  I guarantee you he's gone and it's it's A-Team that has a good
• 26:42
  foundation. If they had Devers, maybe they
• 26:43
  were be a playoff team. Yeah, I want to bring up
• 26:46
  something Jabba mentioned too, because you're talking about the
• 26:48
  player relationships with somebody that's a newer general
• 26:51
  manager. And I want to bring it up in
• 26:53
  comparison to the 2021 Mets when Jacob degrom was under, like,
• 26:58
  was he going to get paid? What is he not?
• 27:00
  And I think that was something that I think was a big focal
• 27:03
  point right after he got hurt the second time to where I think
• 27:06
  that relationship got damaged very quickly after it seemed
• 27:09
  like it was going well. And I think this is very similar
• 27:12
  because the Mets at the time weren't the the big spending one
• 27:14
  they are now. That was before they went after
• 27:16
  Scherzer and Verlander and obviously now getting Sodo.
• 27:18
  But like the Red Sox are in that same boat where they're trying
• 27:21
  to recreate the identity, is still trying to be the bigger
• 27:25
  market team at one point, but then they want to be to avoid
• 27:28
  the reckless spending they used to have.
• 27:30
  But then at the same time try to be this like, cute, I'm going to
• 27:34
  develop organically. And then they go to the other
• 27:36
  extreme where they just trade Devers.
• 27:37
  And the term salary dump is supposed to imply something
• 27:40
  that's you trade other either salaries or you trade a
• 27:44
  prospectus to get rid of a guy. And Devers is not the type of
• 27:47
  player to be considered a quote UN quote salary dump because
• 27:49
  he's younger. If it's a 37 year old guy that's
• 27:53
  eating up a lot of money, yeah, okay, that's considered a salary
• 27:56
  dump. Obviously, the Nationals did it
• 27:57
  with all their players, trading Rendon, trading Serzer, trading
• 28:01
  Trey Turner when their window closed.
• 28:04
  That's not the same case here with the Red Sox.
• 28:06
  That's not what you should be considered a salary dump.
• 28:08
  And if that's the way the front office perceived it, then they
• 28:12
  just rushed into the process of doing it and didn't go into the
• 28:16
  methodology of what you could really get for Devers.
• 28:19
  Now I told you this texting yesterday, Fish, I always
• 28:22
  expected the Giants to make a swing like this.
• 28:24
  So it's not surprising they were team jumping in on that because
• 28:26
  they were lacking a big power bat for a while.
• 28:29
  Even the 2121 Giants that won 107 games did not really have
• 28:32
  that type of power bat to that same level.
• 28:35
  So it's not surprising they jumped in on this quickly.
• 28:37
  But the Red Sox, knowing that could have gotten a bidding war
• 28:40
  across the National League to with enough good teams that need
• 28:44
  power to get that kind of bidding war where they could
• 28:47
  have gotten much better value. I like Harrison.
• 28:49
  I think he still has a lot of room to improve to possibly be a
• 28:52
  higher end pitcher. But like you were saying, Jabba
• 28:55
  Hicks, you don't really know what you're going to get out of
• 28:56
  him because especially when you're trained by the Cardinals,
• 28:59
  they have not been the model organization of developing young
• 29:01
  players recently. And the other two were OK
• 29:04
  prospects, not great. If you're going to get a
• 29:08
  potential #3 in your staff with Kyle Harrison say he develops at
• 29:13
  the high end, they think he might be a number 2, but it's
• 29:16
  still a couple years. It's still years away.
• 29:18
  It's still years away for him. Hicks.
• 29:21
  I don't think anyone thinks thinks Hicks is going to be
• 29:24
  anything at this point. And I I don't know that outfield
• 29:26
  prospects was the 4th. Top He was the first round pick
• 29:29
  last year so he's still very raw.
• 29:31
  So maybe he's maybe he'll be good.
• 29:33
  But again, that's for down the road to me when you send a
• 29:37
  message to your like, they just swept the Yankees.
• 29:41
  They just swept the Yankees with a guy who's having a historic
• 29:45
  season and held him to one for 12 in the series, and they're
• 29:50
  like, you know what? Most most strikeouts in a series
• 29:53
  with 9. Right, He was terrible in the
• 29:56
  series. They got to him.
• 29:57
  They were able to to solve him for three days and yet no, let's
• 30:03
  give up this year where a half game out of the wild card and
• 30:06
  they'll say they're not giving up.
• 30:07
  I'm sure they're not going to. They're saying they're not
• 30:09
  giving up, but how are they better without that bat in the
• 30:13
  lineup? And again, he was terrible in
• 30:14
  April. Last I heard, if you're over a
• 30:17
  900 OPS, you're a good damn hitter.
• 30:20
  And he has 15 homers and 58 RB is now.
• 30:23
  We went from talking about Craig Breslow.
• 30:25
  I think we deserve to talk about another former player that's
• 30:28
  Buster Posey. Buster Posey with this move he
• 30:33
  gets rid of some pitchers that may are probably prospects that
• 30:38
  were not as hyped as they should or over hyped.
• 30:41
  Not only that, there's not a lot of room.
• 30:43
  They have a lot of good people. You know, they have a lot of,
• 30:45
  they have a lot of arms. They don't need it.
• 30:46
  It's like like extra players. They just have to spend the
• 30:50
  money. And now they get again, DH and
• 30:52
  ENL. They, I mean, who's their first
• 30:55
  baseman? Mets legend Wilmer Flores.
• 30:59
  Yeah, that's not a long term solution.
• 31:00
  I'm sure he's having a good year.
• 31:01
  He's actually. He's actually tied for their
• 31:03
  team lead in home or no second on their team lead in home runs,
• 31:05
  only behind Chapman. Yeah, so clearly Devers is going
• 31:10
  to help, right? So if this is what you have, and
• 31:14
  in the long run, this guy now has a long contract and he's
• 31:17
  going to give the power, left-handed power.
• 31:19
  I saw a spray chart of his home run, Speedy.
• 31:22
  It's kind of hard for lefties at Fenway unless they're going up
• 31:26
  and. It's gonna be even harder in San
• 31:28
  Francisco. Well, they said it would be the
• 31:31
  exact same amount of home runs if he hit it in San Francisco.
• 31:33
  Maybe compared to? Because they did like the home
• 31:37
  run chart to see like distance wives, Yeah.
• 31:39
  Extra basics, though, double S and he's not going to get any
• 31:43
  triples. But double S in that right
• 31:44
  center in San Francisco's hard, though.
• 31:46
  Yep, no, you're not wrong and but it's about the same.
• 31:49
  So it's not like he doesn't have the power to get it out.
• 31:51
  We know the balls aren't traveling the same way that they
• 31:53
  did in previous years either. You know that that'll probably
• 31:56
  change back the other way next season and watch he'll have an
• 31:59
  extra 10 home runs, right? This, this is a great move by
• 32:03
  Buster Posey. This is, it's like the saying
• 32:06
  the exact opposite thing to your fan base.
• 32:09
  Craig Braslow is telling his fan base not right now.
• 32:12
  You guys can be middling for another couple of years.
• 32:16
  We'll get there eventually. And Buster Posey says screw
• 32:19
  that. I'm adding one of the best
• 32:21
  left-handed bats because they're undervaluing him.
• 32:23
  I don't care if we have to spend money.
• 32:25
  I want to win. And guess what?
• 32:27
  Fans love that your team. I mean, Jabba, you tell me that
• 32:30
  what the mentality of that Red Sox clubhouse has to be after
• 32:34
  this deal, because I can't imagine it being positive.
• 32:36
  And I bet it's exactly the opposite in that San Francisco
• 32:39
  clubhouse where they're all jacked up.
• 32:41
  I think it's it's two different dynamics, especially as you
• 32:45
  said, like if you're a player on that team, like you look at like
• 32:51
  a Walker Bueller or whatever. And what like what are we doing?
• 32:56
  Like are we are we trying to win?
• 32:59
  I under like I said, I understand bringing young
• 33:02
  talent. I I get that and bring young
• 33:04
  energy like that's it makes sense to me.
• 33:06
  But to what capacity are you? Are you really like OK, now I'm
• 33:11
  like, I'm going out and pitching for myself.
• 33:14
  Yeah, I got a contract. I hope.
• 33:16
  Contract. Not a big one.
• 33:17
  But it's still a contract. He's not he's not under the
• 33:21
  arbitration level yet to where like he's getting paid league
• 33:24
  minimum. No, So that's that's the hard
• 33:28
  part. I have no idea what that would
• 33:32
  be. But then on the other side, when
• 33:34
  you bring in guys like when we bring in Ichiro and don't really
• 33:37
  give up much and they're like, all right, we're trying to win
• 33:41
  again. And so the giants in what you
• 33:45
  have, you have two front office guys that are former players
• 33:49
  doing the complete opposite, like 1's bringing in something
• 33:53
  and not giving away everything. And like you bring a guy like
• 33:59
  that in, it's like, all right, well, well, here we go.
• 34:03
  And then on the other side of the fence, you're like, well,
• 34:07
  what the hell is going on here? Like and, and did Craig come in
• 34:12
  and talk or did they have a conversation?
• 34:16
  Did he bring some guys in and be like, hey, this is kind of the
• 34:19
  direction we're going that we don't know because we're not in
• 34:23
  the clubhouse and we don't have those answers.
• 34:26
  But it's two opposite sides of the spectrum and it's very, very
• 34:31
  interesting. I love it that it's early enough
• 34:36
  where let's see how it plays out.
• 34:39
  Let's see what happens on both sides of it to see.
• 34:46
  Let's not look long term right now.
• 34:48
  Let's like look at it just right for what it is right now for
• 34:51
  this year, then we can talk about it as we go down the road.
• 34:54
  Well, the Giants are going to jump started on quickly because
• 34:57
  they they know the Padres are also a very aggressive front
• 34:59
  office and obviously. The Dodgers are, duh.
• 35:02
  We've seen him everything, yeah. And he's awesome because he he
• 35:07
  don't care. He'll he'll pull the trigger on
• 35:08
  whatever. So and.
• 35:09
  He knows too, that this Giants team, they're not going to be
• 35:12
  able to win the same way that his Giants team won with.
• 35:15
  Obviously they still have the pitching, which is not as good
• 35:17
  as the World Series core, but like it's still a good pitching,
• 35:20
  but they're not going to be able to win with those types of just
• 35:22
  like every hitter is a scrappy hitter type thing.
• 35:25
  You need some level of power in today's game.
• 35:26
  You need some level of the extra base hits, guys that can
• 35:29
  generate all those walk, which is another thing that Devers
• 35:31
  does very well at his peak where there's a reason.
• 35:34
  And he he actually had, I think the at one point during the 2023
• 35:37
  season, the lowest chase rate for a guy with that many home
• 35:40
  runs, too, which those are the types of hitters that the Giants
• 35:43
  have lacked for a while. And like you were saying, fish
• 35:46
  Wilmer Flores, 11 home runs. Helio Ramos goodies boy that he
• 35:50
  doesn't remember who he was as has eleven home runs, but they
• 35:53
  don't have any money. Other guys healthy double digit
• 35:55
  home runs. Talk about fantasy boss.
• 35:56
  My biggest one in my league with Josh Adamus.
• 35:59
  Yikes. His numbers are horrible this
• 36:01
  year. 624 OPS, eight runs, 30 two RBI's.
• 36:04
  And so far you need a veteran presence to make up for that
• 36:07
  kind of move. And so far you're getting that
• 36:09
  with bringing endeavors, which they're sprinkled in a couple
• 36:12
  good youngsters, but it just they have depth, but not a lot
• 36:14
  of stardom and not a lot of like who's the scary guy in the
• 36:17
  lineup where the Dodgers and the Padres are sprinkled with a
• 36:20
  bunch of those guys. Well, I wouldn't give up on a
• 36:24
  damus speedy. I do.
• 36:25
  I didn't drop him. I'm just saying it's
• 36:27
  disappointing. Well, look, it's a, it's a new
• 36:31
  team. You never know.
• 36:32
  Sometimes you, I mean, look at what Lindor did that first year,
• 36:35
  how how struggling, how much he struggled right off the bat with
• 36:38
  the Mets. And then, you know, he found his
• 36:40
  groove. I think bringing a guy like
• 36:42
  Devers into this clubhouse, I mean, it's going to give him new
• 36:46
  life, but it's also going to give a guy like Adamus new life.
• 36:50
  I want to hear what our intern Aaron has to say about this.
• 36:53
  What what do you, what is your take on this trade?
• 36:55
  Because this is certainly a one-of-a-kind type of the deal
• 36:57
  man. No, absolutely.
• 36:59
  Honestly, the only way you can really compare it is to the Luca
• 37:02
  trade. Now that was a bigger in the
• 37:04
  sense of like, whoa, that, you know, Luca is a one of the best
• 37:07
  stars in in the NBA, but you compare it because you're
• 37:11
  trading your home, your home grown guy, you know, in the
• 37:14
  middle of a season where again, you just swap the Yankees.
• 37:16
  You got they're kind of getting off to a good start.
• 37:19
  But then also other teams are going.
• 37:21
  He was he was he was available. Like why, why wasn't I known
• 37:25
  this right? And I heard on the MLB Network
• 37:27
  that they said if teams called and they asked about Devers,
• 37:31
  they were willing to listen. So it wasn't that he wasn't
• 37:34
  available or he was they would you just had to ask and they you
• 37:37
  kind of just start talking and then stuff came out from there.
• 37:41
  But then also like, why? Like why now I you know what?
• 37:44
  And even go back, going back to the offseason, everyone was
• 37:46
  saying Boston was going to be this great team, which look, I
• 37:49
  mean, they haven't lived up to their potential, but it all
• 37:52
  started when they signed Bregman.
• 37:53
  Bregman they didn't need, they needed Bregman offensively, not,
• 37:57
  I'm sorry, defensively at both on the both sides of the ball,
• 38:00
  but you already had Devers there.
• 38:02
  So if you don't sign Bregman, which they kind of did in my eye
• 38:05
  to make a splash because they did get Crochet and they did get
• 38:10
  Bueller. So then you get Bregman and then
• 38:12
  you make this whole mess of a of a problem when with your home
• 38:15
  grown guy. So it is a lot of confusing
• 38:17
  things for me when I when I look at this trade, But then you also
• 38:20
  look at it from a wide league standpoint.
• 38:22
  And now the now the Giants are going, we're here, we're ready
• 38:25
  to win now. And now the Dodgers are going,
• 38:29
  well, we have to try to maybe pivot.
• 38:31
  And there's so many different things, teams that are involved,
• 38:34
  even though they're not directly involved with the trade, like
• 38:36
  the Yankees. Now they're going, hey, we can
• 38:37
  kind of sit back now because honestly, this trade makes
• 38:40
  Boston worse right now. I mean, is it coincident?
• 38:44
  You know, we'll talk about it later, but is it coincidence
• 38:46
  after as soon as we heard this deal went down within a couple
• 38:49
  hours we're we hear Shohei Otani's pitching the next game
• 38:53
  for the Dodgers. That NL W speedy.
• 38:56
  That's if I don't know if there's a more competitive
• 38:59
  division in baseball. Yep, those those three teams,
• 39:02
  Arizona is not far behind where they're kind of stuck in
• 39:04
  mediocrity right now. But yeah, but those three are
• 39:06
  definitely the best like top three grouping this year because
• 39:09
  again, we know the Padres when healthy have enough pitching.
• 39:12
  Their bullpen is still very strong.
• 39:13
  The Giants bullpen I think is the best in the National League
• 39:15
  right now. And then the Dodgers are just
• 39:17
  like filled with all the talent. They just have a bunch of
• 39:19
  pitching injuries. Probably why they had to bring
• 39:21
  Otani to pitch now, like you were saying, Fish maybe month
• 39:25
  ahead of schedule type thing. But their offense is still, I
• 39:27
  think now surpassed the Cubs for the most runs scored in the
• 39:30
  league, the the most home runs. Obviously, Ohtani's still in the
• 39:33
  unbelievable year. But yeah, that's there's a
• 39:35
  reason the Giants jumped on this earlier is to not be that kind
• 39:38
  of all right, We'll wait on this kind of wannabe high spending
• 39:42
  team and then miss out on it like they were in the air.
• 39:45
  And Judge sweepstakes when the Yankees ended up still getting
• 39:47
  him in the end, like they were with joining the Mets in the
• 39:50
  Carlos Correa sweepstakers. Thank God they both dodged a
• 39:53
  bullet on that one. But nevertheless, they still
• 39:55
  tried. But they haven't been able to
• 39:57
  get there with their past regime and now Buster Posey's.
• 40:00
  Whatever he's doing in that front office is getting players
• 40:03
  to want to buy into that, at least the team culture
• 40:05
  perspective. Last year, they just didn't have
• 40:07
  enough talent on the offensive side.
• 40:08
  Now they have the talent to be able to make it work with
• 40:10
  Devers. And who says this is the last
• 40:12
  one either? Devers is again him and Logan
• 40:14
  Webb. They're kind of the only big
• 40:15
  contracts that they have right now.
• 40:17
  It's not, and Adamus looks bad because he hasn't played well,
• 40:20
  but it's not like an egregious contract.
• 40:23
  I mean, I remember so like I played playing fantasy baseball
• 40:28
  guys since I was 11 years old on an AL, only ESPN.
• 40:32
  You have to pay 2995 for it. And it was very simplistic
• 40:37
  stats. There's two guys that I ever
• 40:39
  watched that I was, I watched like a handful like their first
• 40:43
  at bats and I just was obsessed with watching these guys play.
• 40:46
  I never saw young players have at bats like that.
• 40:49
  And the number first guy I'm talking about was Mike Trout.
• 40:51
  When Mike Trout came up, I'd never seen anyone with that kind
• 40:54
  of power. And I made sure in the league
• 40:55
  where you're allowed one, we called it a bonus pick, one
• 40:58
  waiver pick all season. I went and got Trout and the
• 41:01
  year that I won, I took Buster Posey because I just watched
• 41:05
  Buster Posey play. Guys, this is a legend and this
• 41:09
  might be the Jerry West of baseball coming forwards because
• 41:13
  the first big move he makes, in my opinion, is a genius move.
• 41:18
  I mean, look at this highlight. Do you remember the the type of
• 41:21
  crap that he used to pull when he was catching?
• 41:23
  I mean, he came up to the league as one of the best game callers
• 41:26
  already. But you, you also know too,
• 41:28
  you're something special when you when you get these guys.
• 41:32
  They created a Buster Posey rule so you couldn't run over a
• 41:34
  catcher anymore. Yeah, and honestly, if that
• 41:37
  didn't happen to him, I think his career is a bunch of years
• 41:39
  longer. He doesn't have to play first
• 41:40
  base. The last bunch of years of his
• 41:42
  career, you know, he's still a Hall of Famer.
• 41:45
  It's just it like we kind of got robbed of some of that peak.
• 41:48
  Now, obviously that happens to catchers.
• 41:50
  That's part of the position, I guess.
• 41:51
  Now, it's not the Buster Posey rule, but like, I mean, we have,
• 41:55
  everyone knows the story of Pete Rose running over the catcher
• 41:58
  and the guy was never the same in the All Star game, right?
• 42:01
  So it's probably something to take out of baseball.
• 42:04
  One of one of my favorite ones, though, is AJ Brzezinski and
• 42:07
  Michael Barrett. Tell me a little bit more about
• 42:11
  it, I don't remember it too well.
• 42:12
  They get into it and they, they, they push each other and do
• 42:16
  whatever and then all hell breaks loose.
• 42:18
  There's been some good ones, but I'd love that part of the game
• 42:22
  and that there, there are certain parts of the game that
• 42:25
  we've talked about where I wish they wouldn't have taken away
• 42:28
  some of these things because it's like taking a guy out at
• 42:32
  second. I mean, we saw it in the College
• 42:34
  World Series how a game ended and it was interference.
• 42:38
  And I'm like interference as long as you touch the bag.
• 42:41
  But sometimes they didn't touch a bag and they're just trying to
• 42:43
  take your legs out so you don't get a double play.
• 42:46
  And there are certain parts of the game now that have been
• 42:48
  taken away. And Buster Posey is one of those
• 42:50
  guys that change it. Yeah, you slide in hard, take
• 42:54
  him out as 1/2 slide, half hit him and he blows his ACL out.
• 42:58
  And now you changed the entire rules for that reason.
• 43:03
  I just it it it's weird to me because I still want to see
• 43:06
  dudes get run over. Like, I love that part of it.
• 43:09
  Chase how it remains #1. I think it's like the hockey
• 43:11
  fight though. It's like the hockey fight.
• 43:14
  Like it's the only thing that's truly left from like the old
• 43:18
  school days of sports is they're still going to settle it with a
• 43:22
  fight. I think everything else that was
• 43:24
  kind of like schoolyard rules has been taken out of all of our
• 43:27
  favorite sports that you just mentioned.
• 43:29
  And no, you can't run over the catcher, can't slide hard in a
• 43:32
  second. I mean you can slide hard in the
• 43:34
  second, but you have to hit exactly.
• 43:36
  Right on the bag. That'll be perfect, right?
• 43:40
  But of course, that's like not great for the second baseman
• 43:43
  coming over and his foot, you know, like, so there's, there's
• 43:46
  a bunch of stuff that you know, is reason why they did in the
• 43:48
  1st place like that, that I think people forget that there's
• 43:52
  all those things. But guys, this Red Sox trade, I
• 43:56
  as a Yankee fan, they just blew the doors off of us this weekend
• 44:00
  and they decided to tank their team.
• 44:01
  Thank you very much. I'll enjoy your fans being
• 44:04
  miserable as a Yankee fan. I guess it's like some it's like
• 44:08
  we lost every game, but we sort of won in a way, but they're not
• 44:12
  our main competition. I can't believe they're punting
• 44:14
  on the playoffs, though. It feels like they're punting on
• 44:16
  the playoffs. If I was on their their
• 44:19
  clubhouse, that's what I would say and I and I would want
• 44:21
  answers like, are you serious? Where do you?
• 44:24
  Where do you go with the like, if you're if you're that guy,
• 44:29
  you have very few guys in that clubhouse that can actually
• 44:32
  like, like, what? What are we doing?
• 44:34
  Like what? What direction are we going in?
• 44:38
  Like what did I sign up for A. Team that's getting young all at
• 44:42
  once, apparently. I just hope it's not an ego
• 44:45
  thing with Breslow, Like we don't know how he is as a
• 44:47
  general manager. He wants to put his stamp on it.
• 44:50
  Maybe he's right, maybe this will work and it's just a very
• 44:53
  strange timed thing to do. And you can't, you can't tell me
• 44:58
  that that's the best offer you thought you were going to get
• 45:01
  for Devers. I just don't get it.
• 45:03
  I it's not that good of an offer.
• 45:06
  If you really thought he's that much of A toxic asset that you
• 45:09
  had to dump him. How does he have a 900 OPS with
• 45:12
  15 homers and 58 RB is by the middle of June.
• 45:16
  That means he's on pace for over 100 RB is and he was terrible in
• 45:20
  April. The only thing I can think of
• 45:21
  that probably with a rally around the younger player, like
• 45:24
  not being there recently, but this was more of just the off
• 45:29
  field incident related. It's not the not him getting
• 45:31
  traded was the Padres and 22 with all the stuff with Tatis
• 45:35
  with the motorcycle accident and then the random thing drugs he
• 45:38
  got caught for and that they rallied around and they went to
• 45:40
  the NLCS as a five seed. But again, besides that, that
• 45:44
  wasn't a trade circumstance. That wasn't a front office
• 45:46
  saying, all right, we're going to throw you away.
• 45:47
  There were trade rumors after that, but that's the only thing
• 45:50
  I could think of. So that's best case scenario for
• 45:52
  the Red Sox. You would hope, but it's still a
• 45:54
  long shot. Let's hope for the worst case
• 45:57
  scenario for those Red Sox. All right, well, we got someone
• 46:00
  else to talk about. Put it up for.
• 46:03
  Valdez deserves a golf clap. No doubt golf.
• 46:06
  Clap, golf clap. OK guys, today's golf clap of
• 46:14
  the day goes to Yankees designated hitter returning hero
• 46:19
  John Carlos Stanton activated from the IL on Monday to make a
• 46:25
  season debut tonight, giving the Yankees yet another big power
• 46:29
  hitter again. He missed the 1st 70 games this
• 46:32
  year with tendon injuries in both elbows.
• 46:35
  I've yet to hear how that happens.
• 46:39
  At some point, maybe we'll find out that story.
• 46:41
  Jabba, I, I maybe you'll have some inside information.
• 46:44
  I I we've been perplexed by this injury all year.
• 46:47
  Never never heard of it so I don't know.
• 46:49
  But it was it like bilateral elbow weakness or something,
• 46:52
  something ridiculous like that. But he wasn't, couldn't swing
• 46:56
  the bat. The elbows were bad, you know,
• 46:58
  He had, you know. But again, remember in the
• 47:01
  postseason he had seven home runs in 14 games.
• 47:04
  He's batting 5th tonight. He's 35 years old.
• 47:07
  Look, he's Adhi. Don't think they're going to run
• 47:09
  him out in the outfield anymore. But the Yankees have a whole
• 47:11
  bunch of options on DH. They got somewhere to play Ben
• 47:14
  Rice. They're not going to play him
• 47:16
  too much at first because he got Goldie.
• 47:18
  You're not going to play him too much at DH because now you got
• 47:20
  Giancarlo. Jason Dominguez doesn't play the
• 47:22
  field everyday. He's not a great outfielder, so
• 47:24
  they want to give him some DH at bats.
• 47:26
  Grisham, is he going to lose that bats because of this?
• 47:28
  I think probably. But again, we get Giancarlo up
• 47:33
  to speed because we know that all that matters is the
• 47:37
  postseason and when he's healthy in the postseason and he's got
• 47:40
  that timing because let's face it, if you've ever rooted for
• 47:43
  Giancarlo, stand is very tough guy to root for.
• 47:46
  When you're watching him go and he's in a slump, it looks like
• 47:49
  he's swinging A toothpick and like has no chance of hitting
• 47:54
  the ball. And then he seems like he can't
• 47:56
  miss it and he doesn't look like a normal swing.
• 47:59
  There's not too many guys that swing a bat that that look like,
• 48:02
  I guess he's holding some kind of like ninja baton or something
• 48:05
  because it's so small and he's so strong.
• 48:07
  He just swings it so hard. And we know he's got one of the
• 48:10
  top exit velocities in all of baseball.
• 48:13
  The Yankees can use his back back.
• 48:15
  He's back tonight. So excited to see what happens.
• 48:19
  Now. Just think of all of the
• 48:20
  different protection we have. Judge hasn't had Santa hidden
• 48:23
  behind them all season. Now he does.
• 48:26
  He's hitting fifth. Judge, I think is hitting third
• 48:28
  who they have 4th. I know Rice is hitting second,
• 48:32
  but regardless of who it is, that lineup gets a lot better.
• 48:36
  I think they have Volpe hitting eighth tonight or 7th and then
• 48:39
  Wells 8th and DJ 9th. If that's the bottom third of
• 48:43
  your lineup, we're pretty good. The golf clap of the day, boys.
• 48:48
  Let's give it up to the Yankees, then Giancarlo Stanton, clap it
• 48:53
  up. Golf clap, the golf clap.
• 48:55
  The Dodgers are starting Shohei Ohtani tonight.
• 48:59
  The game starts in about 1/2 hour.
• 49:01
  He's going to return to the mound versus the Padres.
• 49:04
  He's only going to throw, you know, a couple of innings,
• 49:06
  probably tonight, no more than two.
• 49:09
  They were saying that it's actually a little bit easier for
• 49:12
  him to play to rehab this way instead of ramping up to pitch
• 49:17
  and then having to take a day off to be ADH.
• 49:19
  This is actually easier for him and I'll let him get more at
• 49:22
  bats. The organization thinks it's
• 49:24
  better for his body as well. The Dodgers have 14 pitchers on
• 49:29
  the IL, including four of their starters.
• 49:32
  It's been 21 months since the Tommy John surgery, his second
• 49:37
  on his pitching arm, and he hasn't pitched since August
• 49:40
  21st, 2023. Otani in his career has a three
• 49:44
  O 1 ERAA, one O 8 WHIP and 608 strikeouts and 86 starts.
• 49:52
  Wow. Shohei Otani is back to being a
• 49:56
  two way superstar for now. For the first time the Los
• 50:00
  Angeles Dodgers. He's only going to be an opener.
• 50:02
  He's probably not going to be ramped up until after the All
• 50:05
  Star break. But again, he's pitching.
• 50:08
  There's a video and I think I'm going to get one of the interns
• 50:10
  to put it up in a little bit. It's him pitching the new pitch.
• 50:14
  I guess it's a 2 seemer. We'll have to get Jabba on it.
• 50:16
  Fascinating, but it's like breaking down and in to a
• 50:21
  right-handed hitter coming from a right-handed pitcher, almost
• 50:23
  like a screwball, but it's I'm pretty sure it's like similar to
• 50:27
  the chin Ming Wong 2 seamer, just going a lot harder than
• 50:31
  chin Ming went ever threw it here.
• 50:33
  Here's the clip right here. If we can get it up, just take a
• 50:35
  look at some of this movement on the actually, that's just him
• 50:38
  celebrating it, but it dives. Yeah, that's definitely. 2 feet
• 50:42
  inside, if he can pitch at, let's say by the time he gets to
• 50:49
  the All Star break, he's going 5 innings a game, right?
• 50:51
  Say he's about 5 in a six inning guy.
• 50:53
  I don't expect him to go deeper into games than six innings at
• 50:57
  any point this season, right? I don't think that's the mission
• 50:59
  for them. The mission is they need
• 51:02
  pitching. He can pitch.
• 51:04
  He can help, at least right now. And when he's fully healthy, he
• 51:08
  might be their best pitcher because he's that good.
• 51:11
  Now, if he's the best pitcher, Speedy, and he's doing what he's
• 51:15
  doing at the plate, which by the way, isn't bad, in case you
• 51:18
  haven't noticed, his stats at the plate, speedy, I'm sure
• 51:20
  you're going to give them to me in a minute.
• 51:22
  There are literally maybe three people in the world that can do
• 51:27
  what he's doing at the plate, and then there's no one who
• 51:31
  could do it at the same time while he's at the Mount.
• 51:34
  Will he stay healthy? Will he be able to do this for a
• 51:38
  long time? Well, the Dodgers bet a whole
• 51:40
  lot of money, deferred money, that he would.
• 51:43
  So this is the beginning. This is what the real test is.
• 51:47
  Look, 5050 was great as ADH. It was good enough for the for
• 51:51
  the MVP. But what you could do as a top
• 51:54
  three hitter in the league and perhaps a top ten pitcher is
• 51:59
  what would even surpass Judge what he's doing this year.
• 52:03
  I know Errol when he's on. Errol doesn't want to say that
• 52:05
  Judge isn't as good as Otani, but if we get the top ten
• 52:08
  pitcher and a top three hitter, that's more value, especially in
• 52:12
  WAR to a team then just as a good outfielder who's one of the
• 52:18
  greatest hitters we've ever seen.
• 52:19
  Yeah, I have to admit that. Yeah, the two way, the two way
• 52:21
  player was always a fascinating dynamic when he came into the
• 52:24
  league as it was. And I had a actually oddly
• 52:27
  enough at the time, he loves them now.
• 52:28
  I had an argument with with Jeff because I was thinking he, I was
• 52:31
  very high on Otani's like always going to get hurt.
• 52:33
  Is it going to work? And obviously he has gotten
• 52:35
  hurt, but his peak form has been still very good to look at.
• 52:38
  Yeah, you look at a top ten pitcher, I think the biggest
• 52:40
  stat with him is strikeouts per 9 innings have been over 11
• 52:43
  pretty consistently his whole career and 608 strikeouts you
• 52:47
  mentioned total. And now you add another pitch in
• 52:49
  your arsenal. If that two seamer is as
• 52:51
  effective as it could be. It's definitely interesting.
• 52:54
  It shows that he's working in his craft too.
• 52:55
  Like he knows that even his peak form as a pitching is still
• 52:58
  could be something that could be redeveloped, especially after
• 53:00
  two surgeries. We see it all the time, like how
• 53:03
  good pitchers will be able to come back from having surgeries
• 53:06
  like that, having it multiple times as well.
• 53:09
  So adding that in your arsenal to go along with the amount of
• 53:12
  hard curveballs, hard fastballs that he has had and that level
• 53:16
  of pitching is going to create it.
• 53:18
  In addition, like you said, the hitting stats where he had an
• 53:20
  OPS of one point O3 four this year, OPS plus is 189 on the
• 53:24
  year. So you're dealing with stats
• 53:27
  that are little bit far behind, a little bit behind the previous
• 53:31
  two years, his last year with the Angels, OPS1O66 and he won
• 53:35
  the MVP last year, obviously winning the MVP with the
• 53:37
  historic 5050 year. And now you're adding some
• 53:40
  pitching into that. Now you're right, he's not going
• 53:42
  to be like driven for length. I don't think any of these
• 53:45
  Dodgers pitchers really at this point are going to be driven for
• 53:47
  length because they feel like they have the enough rotational
• 53:50
  depth, they have enough organizational like versatile
• 53:53
  relievers type. And I think that's a good thing
• 53:54
  for the mindset too, for somebody that could either be
• 53:57
  like a super, I guess you would call it like a super reliever, a
• 54:01
  super opener, however you want to do it for post season
• 54:03
  strategy because we've seen Dave Roberts do that a lot.
• 54:06
  So we've seen him bringing starters out of the bullpen in
• 54:10
  playoff game. Sometimes it's works, sometimes
• 54:12
  it hasn't. And that's the weapon that Otani
• 54:15
  can bring if he gets back to that peak form as a pitcher.
• 54:17
  And it's like I said, especially if it develops into that 2
• 54:19
  starter, 2 seamer, the extra pitches that he could do, it
• 54:23
  brings him another weapon in the post season.
• 54:25
  Now, like you were saying, they have 14 other pitchers hurt
• 54:28
  right now, so they're going to have to play around with the
• 54:30
  depth as it is. How they did it last was very
• 54:33
  impressive because I I was, I was high on them the way they
• 54:37
  were doing it in 23 and they still lost in the playoffs.
• 54:39
  So I was picking against him a lot last year in the postseason
• 54:43
  and the Dodgers pitching, we knew their bullpen was good, but
• 54:45
  their starting pitching was still questionable.
• 54:47
  It would it proved me wrong. But again, it's another
• 54:50
  challenge, just like you said, with Sasaki hurt.
• 54:52
  Now Snell, he's always streaky as it is.
• 54:55
  Could he come back the same? But Otani now being here, at
• 54:59
  least if he gets back to that form, like he said, top 10, top
• 55:02
  15 pitcher form with that high strikeout rate, it gives you
• 55:05
  options to be able to be that either super open or super
• 55:08
  reliever come playoff time. No matter what seed they end up
• 55:11
  in the playoffs. Because we were talking about
• 55:12
  before, it's a very competitive NLS.
• 55:14
  But obviously the Dodgers, with all the all the talent and all
• 55:17
  the deferred money they have, still the favorites.
• 55:21
  I I, it's just interesting to me like when Errol says like the
• 55:27
  best if, if he, if he can go both sides, it might be a little
• 55:33
  early, but at the same time, like, I don't know if it is
• 55:38
  because we have somebody that's doing something that nobody's
• 55:45
  ever done. Babe Ruth is the last person to
• 55:48
  do it. And so if we get that is it's is
• 55:56
  he that is he that dude and can he keep and fish?
• 56:02
  I agree. Like if he can give you like
• 56:05
  he's going to open and they're probably going to give him what
• 56:08
  probably I would, I would say 6060 pitches probably is.
• 56:12
  What? He had 44 in a simulated start
• 56:15
  his last time out in 3 innings. So I would be 65. 60 something.
• 56:20
  Like that, yeah, be 65 and that's kind of the progression
• 56:24
  of what we've done. Like when we have Tommy John and
• 56:29
  he hasn't thrown since 23. So I think he's I think he's
• 56:34
  going to get probably 65. And if he goes out and shoves it
• 56:43
  up their ass. But does that really mean
• 56:47
  anything? I look at it two ways.
• 56:49
  Yes, he's on the mound and yes, he is a presence.
• 56:54
  But if they're going to extend him, what is that going to mean,
• 56:59
  You know, And I honestly don't know what that is because, shit,
• 57:06
  my first at bat, JJ Hardy hit a home run off me.
• 57:09
  And coming off Tommy John, you just don't know.
• 57:13
  Because yeah, I can throw against my teammates and I can
• 57:17
  throw in rehab games and I can do that.
• 57:20
  But it's different when you get to the big leagues.
• 57:23
  It's a different when you get to the big leagues.
• 57:25
  So what's he going to be able to do?
• 57:29
  Let's see what happens. And I know Errol will argue this
• 57:33
  with me and I hope he's having a fantastic time on his cruise
• 57:37
  with Brittany and everybody. But if he comes back and does
• 57:41
  the shit that he has done on the mountain, because you look at
• 57:45
  his lifetime ERA, the man balls out.
• 57:54
  And so it just, I don't know what he's going to do.
• 57:59
  I don't know how he's going to respond.
• 58:03
  So let's see what happens and he's going to do it.
• 58:06
  And I, I'm excited, obviously. And I'm waiting for it to come
• 58:11
  on because they're they should be on here in about an hour or
• 58:17
  so. And he's he's just a different
• 58:24
  anomaly. And I just think we haven't seen
• 58:27
  a character like this. And that's what I've said.
• 58:29
  I was like, I am not discrediting judge by any means
• 58:33
  being the best player by any means.
• 58:37
  But if he comes back and does maybe does half of what he does
• 58:43
  right half, he's still the best player in the fucking planet.
• 58:50
  How do you deny that? You know what's crazy?
• 58:54
  He separated his shoulder in the playoffs and.
• 58:57
  Yeah, sliding in second. Sliding in 2nd and wasn't
• 59:00
  particularly good in the World Series.
• 59:02
  That was terrible. Well, I mean, he's playing with
• 59:04
  one arm. You know what?
• 59:05
  I. Mean Judge hasn't been good in
• 59:06
  the playoffs either so. No but like what I'm saying is
• 59:09
  we didn't even get a healthy Otani and lost the World Series
• 59:12
  to them. Now they get this guy perhaps at
• 59:16
  the peak of his powers again. He's, I mean, he was a killer.
• 59:21
  If I'm not mistaken, the Mets had trouble with him in the
• 59:24
  NLCS. Speedy.
• 59:26
  I'm not. Mistaken.
• 59:27
  The Mets had trouble with him in the beginning of the series.
• 59:29
  He kind of cooled off a little bit after that, but there were
• 59:31
  other guys that heated up. Maximum C and Tommy Edmond and a
• 59:35
  bunch of other guys heated up after that.
• 59:37
  And the Mets. And the Logan.
• 59:38
  Player Look, Otani Otani is this is the the superstar for a team
• 59:45
  that didn't need him to win the World Series.
• 59:48
  Now they have him. The pitching needs to get
• 59:50
  healthy. I expect Snell to come back in a
• 59:52
  month or so. We I think this was always going
• 59:55
  to happen with Snell at some point early in the contract he
• 59:57
  was going to miss. We knew he's going to miss time.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah, he's always like at the first year of like a new team.
• 1:00:03
  It's bad. That's good.
• 1:00:05
  Lazno. I don't know if he's, you know,
• 1:00:07
  look, he's damaged goods. We know that.
• 1:00:09
  Hopefully he can get himself healthy.
• 1:00:11
  They got a lot of guys that they have so much, they spent so much
• 1:00:14
  money, they can keep putting guys out there.
• 1:00:16
  It's amazing. No other franchise would have
• 1:00:19
  lost 14 pitchers, 4 starters and still be at the top of their
• 1:00:23
  division the way that they are unless they had this murderous
• 1:00:26
  row. Freddie Freeman, you know, he
• 1:00:29
  didn't have a great regular season last year, is battling
• 1:00:31
  some injuries. He's pretty good again.
• 1:00:34
  I mean, we saw it in the World Series.
• 1:00:36
  He hit that Grand Slam in game one that none of us are going to
• 1:00:38
  forget for a long time. You know, he hit he hit one of
• 1:00:41
  those home runs in every single game of the series.
• 1:00:43
  Doesn't even matter. Didn't even need to because he
• 1:00:45
  killed us. It was it was almost the same
• 1:00:47
  thing as Halliburton hitting that shot against the Knicks or
• 1:00:50
  even game one against the Thunder where that Grand Slam at
• 1:00:54
  that was the biggest momentum bust.
• 1:00:56
  Just absolute kill shot that I've seen in the World Series
• 1:01:00
  game one a long time. You would have to go back to
• 1:01:03
  like what's the biggest game one or we get to go back to the the
• 1:01:06
  Kurt Gibson, you know, on one with two bad legs, as Vin Scully
• 1:01:11
  said at the time, right, hitting that walk off home run all those
• 1:01:14
  years ago. Was it 35 years ago now?
• 1:01:17
  I mean, what he did is remarkable and they didn't even
• 1:01:20
  use Otani. This Dodger team is just they've
• 1:01:26
  got to be prohibitive favorites. If you can get good money on
• 1:01:29
  them right now, when guys are hurt, do it now at this.
• 1:01:33
  We don't have let's parlay till till Thursday, but I'm telling
• 1:01:35
  you right now I don't. See.
• 1:01:39
  I don't see it. I no no other team really blows
• 1:01:43
  me away. The giants are trying.
• 1:01:44
  They know Buster Posey knows that he's not getting past the
• 1:01:47
  Dodgers unless he beefs up that lineup.
• 1:01:49
  Now he's got Devers. I don't think it's enough yet,
• 1:01:52
  but I I like to see teams do that.
• 1:01:54
  The Padres didn't really add this year and Michael King this
• 1:01:58
  they just said don't expect him back anytime soon.
• 1:02:01
  We might not see him. Jabba.
• 1:02:02
  He's one of the guys that we. Mentioned.
• 1:02:04
  I don't, I don't, I don't think he's going to pitch this year.
• 1:02:07
  I don't think so either. It's some kind of shoulder
• 1:02:10
  thing. Upper scapula.
• 1:02:12
  They don't know exactly. Those are those are tough too
• 1:02:15
  you. Know that's three months
• 1:02:16
  regardless, Louise Heel has been out with something like that all
• 1:02:19
  year You. Know I don't think we'll get him
• 1:02:21
  back to after probably after the All Star break.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, probably I, I would say August.
• 1:02:27
  Honestly mid to late July, early August I would think cuz like
• 1:02:31
  what how you supposed to like job.
• 1:02:32
  I've never had that injury and try to throw a baseball, you
• 1:02:35
  know, Have you ever had like an upper, like upper latch strain
• 1:02:39
  like that? I've never had that.
• 1:02:41
  I've had an oblique and a shoulder and obviously having an
• 1:02:45
  ankle. I've had an elbow, I've had a
• 1:02:47
  knee. I've never had that.
• 1:02:50
  So I, I can't speak on that and I don't know, but if they're out
• 1:02:56
  this long, it it's going to be extended because if it wasn't,
• 1:03:05
  it'd be like, oh, my night. I mean, I get knots in my
• 1:03:09
  shoulder. But like when you get it in your
• 1:03:11
  scalp, it, it throws both things off.
• 1:03:18
  So if they're not doing it and they're out this long, why are
• 1:03:24
  they not back yet? It's it's deeper than that.
• 1:03:27
  And that's why we've called the last three Tommy Johns in what
• 1:03:32
  we've talked about. Oh, it's a flexor strain.
• 1:03:35
  No, it's you're getting Tommy job.
• 1:03:38
  Sorry about your luck like. The the flexor is strained
• 1:03:41
  because you've been throwing with a torn elbow, dummy.
• 1:03:44
  Like that's why the flexor tendon strained.
• 1:03:47
  Not not you've strained your flexor tendon.
• 1:03:49
  If you keep going, you might hurt your elbow.
• 1:03:51
  Your elbows already hurt, dummy. It's it's hurt.
• 1:03:55
  You're done. You're like, how many of them,
• 1:03:59
  like you were able to pitch through it?
• 1:04:00
  Tanaka's the only one that comes to mind.
• 1:04:02
  They shut him down for the whole season that year.
• 1:04:04
  Well, no, Tanaka, he he didn't. Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  So he did not get Tommy John. He got an injection.
• 1:04:13
  It was like, I'm going to pitch through it.
• 1:04:16
  Some people can, some people can't.
• 1:04:19
  Yeah. He's he's one of the few in
• 1:04:22
  probably the last that I've been through.
• 1:04:26
  So it would have been what since covering baseball and playing
• 1:04:30
  baseball, so probably the last 15 years, that's somebody that
• 1:04:36
  probably should have had it that didn't get it.
• 1:04:38
  I always thought he should have because, you know, after the
• 1:04:41
  end, before the injury, we saw that splitter.
• 1:04:44
  That splitter was filthy. After the injury, it wasn't the
• 1:04:49
  same pitch. You just couldn't get it, no
• 1:04:51
  how. Hard.
• 1:04:51
  A splitter is on your elbow. I can only imagine.
• 1:04:54
  I can only imagine. I tried to do it and it fucking
• 1:04:57
  hurt. Wow.
• 1:05:00
  And I'm like and I couldn't do it like and always, always hold
• 1:05:03
  a baseball in my hands as a split finger, but I never did
• 1:05:07
  because to spread my fingers apart because how we do in
• 1:05:11
  baseball is we manipulate a baseball.
• 1:05:13
  Like I put pressure on different fingers on how to do things and
• 1:05:20
  I tried to throw it a couple times and I'm like, I don't want
• 1:05:23
  to do that. Like no, it doesn't feel good.
• 1:05:28
  I mean, I I just remember him when he came up and just
• 1:05:31
  watching that pitch by Otani that we showed a little earlier
• 1:05:33
  of that two seamer. It remind me of the Chin Ming
• 1:05:36
  Wong Tombs 2 seamer job of just going about 10 to 15 miles an
• 1:05:40
  hour faster, just diving like in and down off the plate.
• 1:05:44
  It was if he can throw like that in the game, I mean speedy.
• 1:05:50
  He didn't have a pitch like that when he was he was throwing a
• 1:05:53
  couple years ago, did he? Not that I remember.
• 1:05:56
  The hard 2 steamers, you see a lot of them with the younger
• 1:05:58
  pitchers when they come up because you have you want to
• 1:06:01
  have like a second type of fastball like that, whether it's
• 1:06:03
  that or a harder cutter and or a sinker.
• 1:06:06
  So you want to have that as a secondary pitch when you come
• 1:06:09
  up. But I don't yeah, I don't
• 1:06:09
  remember Ohtani having to rely on that.
• 1:06:11
  He was like he was mainly the 100 mile an hour fastball when
• 1:06:15
  he came up and then the curveball.
• 1:06:18
  Yeah, you saw the curve, you saw the the the four seamer at the
• 1:06:21
  at the letters. You saw a whole lot of that.
• 1:06:24
  We're seeing a whole lot of that on this clip when he was
• 1:06:25
  pitching with the Angels, you know, and then some of the, you
• 1:06:28
  know, there's a lot of that breaking stuff that you start
• 1:06:31
  seeing. It's not exactly a change up,
• 1:06:33
  but they kind of use it in a similar way, don't you think?
• 1:06:35
  Jabba with a lot of the Asian pitchers, they have a curve,
• 1:06:38
  they have a fastball and then everything else is some kind of.
• 1:06:42
  I don't know. Well, I mean, if if you want to
• 1:06:44
  go back and look at it and like, and when you know, you bring
• 1:06:49
  guys in like that and from the Japanese side and you look at
• 1:06:53
  guys in like the gyro Ball, think about that.
• 1:06:57
  And so it's like you're really not creating a pitch.
• 1:07:01
  It's it's just something that they do different because it's
• 1:07:05
  it's a different lead, it's different hitters.
• 1:07:09
  It's like it's just a different dynamic as a whole.
• 1:07:14
  And it was like, oh, Dice, K's going to come in and throw the
• 1:07:19
  Gyro Ball and, and I think he posted for 54,000,000.
• 1:07:24
  I'm like, really? What does that do?
• 1:07:29
  Didn't do much for him. And I'm like, well, he didn't
• 1:07:32
  stay long. And we?
• 1:07:35
  Finished off with the Mets. Yeah.
• 1:07:39
  And so, I mean, it just doesn't like for me, I loved it.
• 1:07:44
  Like I got to play there. There was one dude that I
• 1:07:47
  thought it was going to be really, really successful.
• 1:07:51
  And this was 2006. It's at Sushi Nomi, and he
• 1:07:55
  played for the Hossian Tigers. And I was with obviously the
• 1:07:59
  Yankees at the time. And we had signed Kay Yawa.
• 1:08:04
  And he told me he sucks. And I'm like, you played with
• 1:08:11
  him. I don't know, like I don't know,
• 1:08:14
  but know me and he never, he never posted, he never did
• 1:08:19
  anything. But he was 10 times better
• 1:08:25
  because I matched up with him in Hawaii probably 4 times and it
• 1:08:34
  was a battle. And that's the fun thing that I
• 1:08:38
  love. I got a dude next to me going,
• 1:08:41
  going, going like I got to beat you.
• 1:08:45
  I can't make a mistake. I can't do this because he's not
• 1:08:49
  going to. And I went two and one against
• 1:08:54
  him because I made a mistake one time and gave up A2 run Homer.
• 1:09:01
  But AAA in Japan to the big leagues is completely different
• 1:09:10
  because they are paid very similarly, but they also are
• 1:09:17
  very similarly the same context. And K gal.
• 1:09:23
  I'm like, I played with K gal and I was like, I would take a
• 1:09:29
  sushi know me any day of the week twice on Sunday.
• 1:09:35
  And it's just, it's crazy to see these things.
• 1:09:39
  And then you got to, you got a guy like Otani and it's like you
• 1:09:46
  throw your hands up because you can't do anything.
• 1:09:48
  Because we've had a Nomo, we've had an Arabu, we've had Kad
• 1:09:53
  Matsui. I mean, we've had so many.
• 1:09:56
  We've had an Ichiro, There's so many of them.
• 1:10:01
  Hideki Arabu was was great, Hideo Nomo when they first came
• 1:10:07
  in. But it's it's just completely
• 1:10:09
  different. It's completely different on
• 1:10:13
  what this man can do. And Errol hope, I'm hope you're
• 1:10:19
  having fun on the cruise and I'm still going to shit on you even
• 1:10:23
  though you're on the cruise. The show is the best player in
• 1:10:32
  the major leagues right now. Love Aaron Judge, love him.
• 1:10:36
  He's on a record-breaking season right now, but go throw pitches
• 1:10:43
  and see what happens. It's like Jabba Aaron Judge is
• 1:10:48
  putting up historic numbers, but if Shohei pitches the entire
• 1:10:52
  second-half, I think he'll have more war than Judge and Judge is
• 1:10:55
  going to have more war than anyone since Barry Bonds and and
• 1:10:59
  that that's how crazy this is. Well, he.
• 1:11:01
  He's on. He's to do that.
• 1:11:03
  No, that's what I'm saying like. Is he going to finish that?
• 1:11:06
  Well say he does, right? Say he does say he finishes at
• 1:11:09
  like 370 with like Babe Ruth type numbers, right?
• 1:11:13
  He's not going to hit their 70. No, I'm just saying like best
• 1:11:15
  case scenario, right, Say that's best case scenario.
• 1:11:19
  Even if he does that, if Otani pitches like a top ten, top 15
• 1:11:22
  pitcher the entire second-half of the season and continues at
• 1:11:26
  his pace offensively, he's going to have a higher WAR at the end
• 1:11:29
  of the season. And Judge, I think he is, and
• 1:11:32
  that's. What is that conversation
• 1:11:34
  though? That the conversation is if you
• 1:11:37
  can do both of those things, you're more valuable than the
• 1:11:39
  best hitter of all time having that season.
• 1:11:44
  That's that's kind of a crazy conversation to have.
• 1:11:46
  You could see Errol's side of it because he's pitting like 100%
• 1:11:51
  A. 100% I see that side of it. And that's the thing that he
• 1:11:55
  said early when we talked about this, like he shouldn't pitch,
• 1:12:00
  he shouldn't do this. And OK, that's yours.
• 1:12:04
  But at the same time, you aren't him.
• 1:12:09
  So how can you say, like, if he comes back and does this and he
• 1:12:14
  could be an average pitcher. An average pitcher shoves at a,
• 1:12:23
  gets 10 starts, or gets 5060 innings.
• 1:12:32
  How do you even compare that? You can't.
• 1:12:36
  It's tough and I think he'll get more than that.
• 1:12:38
  I think he'll get around 80 innings the rest of the way if
• 1:12:41
  he did. It I'm going to my my peak was
• 1:12:45
  when they said because it originally and I talked to a
• 1:12:49
  couple guys and they're like, because I originally thought he
• 1:12:53
  was just going to do a SIM game again and then they put him in
• 1:12:59
  the game, right. Yeah, well, I mean, they said
• 1:13:01
  it. You know, that would be speedy.
• 1:13:03
  I don't know if you saw this, but they said that and we got to
• 1:13:06
  move on to our next segment. But it would be easier for him
• 1:13:11
  to rehab by pitching in games than having to stop and gear up
• 1:13:16
  for a simulated game, then rest for a day and then.
• 1:13:20
  Preach. Sound familiar, Jabba?
• 1:13:24
  Yeah, been through it. That is tonight's show.
• 1:13:29
  We made it. We got through the second ever
• 1:13:32
  fish cast. The fish cast strikes back.
• 1:13:35
  It is over on Thursday. We're going to have another
• 1:13:39
  episode of the fish cast because Arrow is still there, so that
• 1:13:41
  one will be the return of the fish cast.
• 1:13:43
  Yes, that'll be if you guys follow along with the return of
• 1:13:46
  the Jedi type of motto I'm going on with here.
• 1:13:49
  If not, that's quite all right. We have sweetie, who do we have
• 1:13:53
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• 1:13:58
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• 1:14:03
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• 1:14:07
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• 1:14:09
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• 1:14:28
  going on rest of this week we're going to have, you know, more
• 1:14:32
  recaps of maybe the Stanley Cup Final.
• 1:14:34
  We'll wrap up before our next show.
• 1:14:35
  Maybe same thing with the NBA Finals.
• 1:14:37
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• 1:14:39
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• 1:14:41
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• 1:14:47
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• 1:14:50
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