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The Occult Rejects: PTK 1 · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby, you are my gamester too. It takes a little tangle.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want mess with me? Mess with me a
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  Speaker 1: gangster too, baby, game.
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  Speaker 2: Statoo for good warnings.
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  Speaker 3: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
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  Speaker 4: Listening Discretion is a vibe.
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  Speaker 5: What the fellas? This ain't my first time at the rodeo.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the cult rejects. This episode, we got a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of us here tonight. I got h we got
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  Speaker 4: the cult reject Midside Lisa with us tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And then we also got the spiritual gangster herself.
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  Speaker 4: We got Teresa, we got my favorite garbage can do
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  Speaker 4: JJ Advance, and we got the one and only headless
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  Speaker 4: Giant we got him, and we got my boy magic Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So we got a bunch of us here tonight, and
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna be talking on a topic that I think
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  Speaker 4: we are all interested in. And I have been hearing
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  Speaker 4: about how this guest that we have has been doing
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  Speaker 4: some amazing work on this book. Even a couple of
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  Speaker 4: people from this podcast has even said that they're really
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  Speaker 4: impressed with the work that.
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  Speaker 2: She did on it.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm very excited to have her back on too
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  Speaker 4: and it has been a long time since she's been on.
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  Speaker 4: So please, for all the new listeners that I've had
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  Speaker 4: since then, please let all of them know Julia, what
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  Speaker 4: is up with you and where they can find all
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  Speaker 4: of your work.
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  Speaker 2: Please.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I think
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  Speaker 5: the last time I was on the Occult Reject so
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  Speaker 5: I still used to color in my eyebrows. So it's
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  Speaker 5: been a while.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, I have the Cosmic Peach podcast. I'm available wherever
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  Speaker 5: You know. I don't have YouTube anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to look for that and I was
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they gave me. They gave me two strikes, and
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I'm quitting this relationship before we get
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  Speaker 5: to the third one. This was my decision, not yours.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so but anywhere else. And I do have Patreon
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  Speaker 5: really excited about this one. Thanks, thanks again for.
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  Speaker 4: Having me of course, of course, of course, and you
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  Speaker 4: know what, real quick, just for some of the other
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  Speaker 4: people here, totally forgot. I was going to let some
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  Speaker 4: of them plug themselves Headless. Let everybody know what they
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  Speaker 4: can find your show at, too, real quick please, and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're muted it again as usual.
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  Speaker 7: Foot me on on YouTube obviously, and I'm streaming this
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  Speaker 7: out now. You can also find me on x That's
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  Speaker 7: where I do most of my ship posting and sometimes
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  Speaker 7: I get on Instagram, so if you want to check
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  Speaker 7: Giant podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, and JJ Vance let everybody know
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  Speaker 4: where they can find your amazing work as well, Lisa.
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  Speaker 8: All right, Nick, appreciate the invite. JJ Vance, host of
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  Speaker 8: Operations GCD right there on the screen. Boo uh, looking
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  Speaker 8: forward to the conversation. I'm big mccount fan. I definitely big,
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  Speaker 8: a big fan of this book Program to Kill as
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  Speaker 8: well as far as an eye opening experience in my
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  Speaker 8: worldview for sure after I.
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  Speaker 3: Read that book. But no, it's great to see everybody
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, sir and Teresa. Last but not least, Joe,
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  Speaker 4: the other one with the show here.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, so have the Spiritual Gangster's podcast. People can
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  Speaker 6: check that out everywhere you find podcasts and YouTube, and
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  Speaker 6: they can find me on x and Instagram at ts
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  Speaker 6: Gangster's Plot.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much, and all of their links
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  Speaker 4: and Julia's linktree is already in the bottom. So if
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  Speaker 4: people want to go check out his stuff, go for it.
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  Speaker 4: I guess Julia will get to you real quick. What
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  Speaker 4: made you even, I guess, get into or start thinking
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  Speaker 4: about covering this, because I mean that had to be
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  Speaker 4: a task in itself.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well, yeah, I didn't take it on lightheartedly because
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  Speaker 5: I knew it was a huge subject matter. But I
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  Speaker 5: actually first read Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, which is
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  Speaker 5: another David McGowan book, and it has to do more
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  Speaker 5: with the Laurel Canyon and you know, all of the
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  Speaker 5: counterculture movement stuff and how it was just a big
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  Speaker 5: CIA project and pretty much every musician from the Laurel Canyon,
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  Speaker 5: their dad's we're all in the military, and of course
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  Speaker 5: everyone's familiar with Jim Morrison and his dad and the
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  Speaker 5: Gulf of Tonkin and all that. That's like conspiracy candy
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  Speaker 5: kind of at the point, like everyone really knows about it,
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  Speaker 5: but weird scenes inside the canyon like explodes, the whole
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  Speaker 5: thing wide open, and it's crazy and it's just as
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  Speaker 5: interesting as a read. But after I finished that one,
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to move on to another book that he wrote,
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  Speaker 5: which was Programmed to Kill, And I liked weird scenes
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  Speaker 5: so much that I was like, Oh, this is gonna
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  Speaker 5: be bomb, this is gonna be fucking fantastic.
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  Speaker 9: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 3: I was so.
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  Speaker 5: Excited to read it because it's all the things white
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  Speaker 5: women love. You know, it's conspiracy, serial killers, true crime.
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  Speaker 5: Like that's that's the white girls dream book right there,
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  Speaker 5: and so you know, yeh right, right right, you go
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  Speaker 5: to Starbucks and read program to Kill. That's like a
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  Speaker 5: wet dream or something. But well, yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: So, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was excited to read it. Anyways, and then chapter
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  Speaker 5: after chapter I just got more sucked into it, and
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  Speaker 5: I actually couldn't believe more people weren't talking about the
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  Speaker 5: stuff that was in this book because it was incredible.
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  Speaker 2: And he.
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  Speaker 5: Spends a lot of time at the back of the
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  Speaker 5: book talking about serial killers. But there's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: fifteen chapters or something like that in the beginning, where
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  Speaker 5: it's all about how there's these interconnected pedophile rings that
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  Speaker 5: are just running the country and he has receipts for
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  Speaker 5: stuff like it's very well researched, and it blew my mind.
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  Speaker 5: And then I kind of dove into it looking for
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  Speaker 5: kind of clues and stuff on my own, and I
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  Speaker 5: put together basically I did what was the first one.
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  Speaker 5: I did the Petaphocracy series, Uncle Sam Wants Your Children's series,
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  Speaker 5: Program to Kill series, and then I'm working on a
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  Speaker 5: series right now called blood Ties and it's all about
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  Speaker 5: stuff I've researched from the book Program to Kill. So
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  Speaker 5: I think I've done maybe what ten plus episodes just
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  Speaker 5: on this one book. So I mean, you guys have
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  Speaker 5: any questions or anything, but are you guys familiar with
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  Speaker 5: Dave McGowan at all?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I think the book is super important. I mean, if
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  Speaker 10: you want to lose all trust in our intelligence networks
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  Speaker 10: and really bring shine a light on it's like, is
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  Speaker 10: everything compromised? Well that Scott brings a receipt, So I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's important too, especially when you're writing a
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  Speaker 5: book about this kind of stuff. You want to be
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  Speaker 5: able to see where it's not just like baseless claims
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  Speaker 5: because everyone loves to jump to oh the pedophile, but
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  Speaker 5: it's like Dave McGowan actually shows you, like how this
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  Speaker 5: person is actually a pedophile. I mean, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: easy for us to be like, oh, that celebrity is
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  Speaker 5: probably a pedo, and oh he probably went to a
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  Speaker 5: Diddy party, and it's just, you know, it's our conjecture
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  Speaker 5: whether or not that stuff actually happens. But Dave McGowan
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  Speaker 5: lays it out like on a buffet, and he's like,
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  Speaker 5: look at this, look at this, look at this. And
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  Speaker 5: it's crazy because it actually turns out that these pedophile
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  Speaker 5: networks are so integrated. They're integrated with serial killers, they're
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  Speaker 5: integrated with the government, they're integrated with babysitting services, they're
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  Speaker 5: integrated with schools, they're integrated. I mean, it's just it's
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  Speaker 5: almost impossible for you to wrap your head around the
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  Speaker 5: first time you read it. That's how crazy it is.
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  Speaker 7: Well, another thing about Dave McGowan is he's got all
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  Speaker 7: of his resources just cited right there, so he's uh
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  Speaker 7: of cited resources. And I've heard people try and debunk
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  Speaker 7: this book and they've failed miserably at it, and so
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  Speaker 7: I mean that's a real test of time, right there
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  Speaker 7: is because these the you know, that's what we're up
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  Speaker 7: against is people are looking for a way to discredit
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  Speaker 7: this and they fail miserably. So I think that's that's
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  Speaker 7: a really important part some of Dave McGowan's Gwen's resources.
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  Speaker 7: He just leaves hanging out there. He doesn't draw any
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  Speaker 7: conclusions from it, which I think is important because it
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  Speaker 7: allows other researchers to go in there and be like, well,
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  Speaker 7: he left this hang and maybe there's something else that
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  Speaker 7: has developed since they're already get this book.
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  Speaker 6: So m h.
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  Speaker 5: And the crazy thing to me is a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people talk about, oh, they were probably suicided, you know,
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  Speaker 5: fill in the blank, Epstein whoever. They were all suicided. Right,
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  Speaker 5: Dave McGowan died a weird, crazy like fast acting cancer
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  Speaker 5: CIA type death, and nobody looks at that any further
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  Speaker 5: than oh, he he had cancer's natural causes, right, He's
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  Speaker 5: he died out of his own accord. But the way
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  Speaker 5: that he contracted it, the things he was saying leading
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  Speaker 5: up to that, it was like he knew he was
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  Speaker 5: on their list and if somebody, I get it. It
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  Speaker 5: was cancer, right, and we can't prove that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: somebody gave him cancer or whatever.
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  Speaker 7: But well, Lisa, Lisa, as a biologist, I was I
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  Speaker 7: was wondering if they can make immortal cell lines, which
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  Speaker 7: is cancer izing these cells, can't they just make cancer?
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  Speaker 11: So immortalized cell lines is a cancer cell or a
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  Speaker 11: cancer cell is let me repraise that a cancer cell
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  Speaker 11: is an immortalized cell line. And so you naturally make
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  Speaker 11: immortalized cell lines as kind of like an oops, but
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  Speaker 11: your immune cells kind of get rid of them, you know,
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  Speaker 11: kind of kill off anything that is showing some sort
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  Speaker 11: of anomaly. One of the things that the way the
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  Speaker 11: cancer cells came about is because they were doing biopsies
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  Speaker 11: and they were having problems maintaining cell lines to generate
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  Speaker 11: vaccines and what have you. And when they came across
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  Speaker 11: one of the cell lines, it was not showing the
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  Speaker 11: same type of decay over cell passages. That's when they're like,
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  Speaker 11: oh my god, we've hick gold. However, at the time,
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  Speaker 11: they kind of really didn't know about cancer so to speak,
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  Speaker 11: and that it was infectious, and so they're like, we
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  Speaker 11: found the holy Grail. We have a cell line that
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  Speaker 11: will never deteriorate and we can just mass produce it
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  Speaker 11: because it was allowing them to make so many passages
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  Speaker 11: with cell lines and testing everything without the decay of
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  Speaker 11: the chromosome and the telomeres and all that other stuff.
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  Speaker 11: So they use that initially to make vaccines, not knowing
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  Speaker 11: that they were injecting Well I don't know if they
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  Speaker 11: knew or not. I'm not going to say that did,
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  Speaker 11: but at the time they say that they didn't know,
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  Speaker 11: and so when they injected obviously they were injecting mortalized
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  Speaker 11: cell lines.
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  Speaker 5: Now so are you saying like they could just like
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  Speaker 5: inject somebody with this, they could squirt it in their
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  Speaker 5: coffee what so? So I'm just I'm curious.
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  Speaker 11: No, no, no, super fast. So what was coming about around
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  Speaker 11: in the sixties, There were a lot of scientists pointing
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  Speaker 11: evidence that the data was showing that viruses were responsible
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  Speaker 11: for mutating a cell to the point of immortalization. So
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  Speaker 11: if you kind of go back and look at the literature,
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  Speaker 11: it kind of points that viruses themselves could cause cancer.
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  Speaker 11: And now we have proof of that, like with HPV, Right,
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  Speaker 11: HPV is a virus. Oh yeah, longer you will get
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  Speaker 11: cervical cancer. Right, that's one for sure. Now you have
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  Speaker 11: other viruses that have now been alleged to cause cancer
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  Speaker 11: later on in life. We have throw cancer and all
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  Speaker 11: that other stuff. So if they were to inject someone
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  Speaker 11: with the virus fast acting virus and manipulated virus, I
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  Speaker 11: could see it happening.
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  Speaker 5: Or could they just send somebody like coffin Dave's faith
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  Speaker 5: and like just get him. You know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, you.
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  Speaker 11: Know what kind of cancer specifically.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it was probably like fucking anus or something
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  Speaker 5: that's probably.
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  Speaker 3: Which work in environment. It was susceptible to lung cancer.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, wait, let me just fact check myself before everybody
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  Speaker 5: runs around saying he had anus cancer. Okay, it was
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  Speaker 5: it was lung cancer. It was lung cancer and r
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  Speaker 5: I P. By the way, I'm not trying to make
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  Speaker 5: light of it, because it was really terrible. But he
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  Speaker 5: was really looking into some crazy ship there at the end,
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  Speaker 5: and he knew like his days were numbered. He pretty
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  Speaker 5: much said so to a lot of his friends and family,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm pretty sure they're going to come get me
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  Speaker 5: after this one. And it's for stuff like this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: this real controversial stuff.
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  Speaker 11: So one of the things if you look back at
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  Speaker 11: the hit not to go off on a tangent on
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  Speaker 11: this and promises it. But if you look at the
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  Speaker 11: weaponization of viruses, it's around the same timeline when people
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  Speaker 11: are publishing this stuff and the technology was there. So
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  Speaker 11: when did he die.
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  Speaker 5: He did like twenty thirteen or something, twenty fifteen. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: I just had it pulled up. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 5: think it was twenty It was within the last like
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  Speaker 5: ten years now. But he was actually working on something
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  Speaker 5: on the Boston Marathon bombing, and he was putting together
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  Speaker 5: a book on that, and then you know, next thing
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  Speaker 5: you know, Dave's got cancer and he's dead.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the most.
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  Speaker 3: Famous great series he did go ahead EDLs.
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  Speaker 7: The most famous case of injectable cancer was SB forty,
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  Speaker 7: which they put into the polio vaccine and lots of
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  Speaker 7: people got tumors from that. They're like, oh, it's not
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  Speaker 7: not fatal, but they really know.
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  Speaker 11: Grow a virus, you know, because we get into the
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  Speaker 11: whole coaxpostulates and all that other stuff. Viruses cannot be isolated.
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  Speaker 11: They can only grow inside of a cell. They have
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  Speaker 11: to infect a cell and then well, I say live
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  Speaker 11: viruses are not alive. You can't kill them because they're
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  Speaker 11: not alive. They're just basically inserts, and so the only
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  Speaker 11: way to grow them or to propagate them is to
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  Speaker 11: put them inside of a cell. And so once you
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  Speaker 11: have a cell, now you can go ahead and whatever.
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  Speaker 11: So SB forty was the actual kidney cell line, and
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  Speaker 11: it was from a monkey, and so again you have
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  Speaker 11: the immortalized cell line that was able to be used
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  Speaker 11: and passage without deterioration, because I think with normal cells
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  Speaker 11: you passage them I think anywhere between five to ten
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  Speaker 11: and it depends on the tissue. And then now you
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  Speaker 11: start to see degradation of the cell, the cells not
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  Speaker 11: holding correctly, the cells not replicating correctly, and now you
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  Speaker 11: run into all these other problems. But with an mortalized
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  Speaker 11: cell line, it never dies.
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  Speaker 5: So that's fucked up.
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  Speaker 6: Do you know the same thing as in the COVID
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  Speaker 6: jobs too.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna say that would be so easy for
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  Speaker 5: them to sneak into stuff, so I mean, I could
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  Speaker 5: totally see that. But yeah, so rip Dave McGowan. He
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  Speaker 5: was a really cool guy. I think his daughter still
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  Speaker 5: has like an online book store. And if you're gonna
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  Speaker 5: order Program to Kill after listening to this episode. Don't
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: order it through Amazon, go through his daughter, because I
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: think that helps support like his you know whatever for
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  Speaker 5: the Dave McGowan memorial thing or whatever. But he starts
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: the book off, and just break in if you have
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: any questions. But he starts the book off by talking
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  Speaker 5: about out this pedophile guy in Belgium. They called him
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  Speaker 5: the Belgium Beast. His name was Mark Dutreaux. Have you
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  Speaker 5: guys ever heard of this fucker?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Is that he associated with the Mothers of Darkness Castle
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  Speaker 7: as well over there in Belgium.
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  Speaker 5: He's involved in all kinds of stuff and he's wrapped
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  Speaker 5: up in all of these pedophile rings and shit. But
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  Speaker 5: what the crazy thing is about this guy is like
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  Speaker 5: I think he like raped or molested a couple of
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  Speaker 5: young girls, and then he went to prison but was
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  Speaker 5: able to get out within like I don't know, eight
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  Speaker 5: months or something real like slight like that, instead of
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  Speaker 5: serving out his whole sentence.
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  Speaker 6: And then.
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  Speaker 5: It was almost as if someone wanted him out, like
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  Speaker 5: he was getting released for a reason. And so he
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  Speaker 5: gets released and then he goes right back at it.
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  Speaker 5: He starts raping and murdering and doing all this shit,
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  Speaker 5: and even his neighbors would call the cops and be like,
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  Speaker 5: we hear fucking girls screaming from this house, and somebody
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  Speaker 5: better come check this out. And the police would supposedly
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  Speaker 5: drive by and they would see like, oh, nothing's wrong here,
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  Speaker 5: and just you know, totally dismiss everything. Even this guy's mom,
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  Speaker 5: Mark Dutrou's mom called the police and said, I think
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  Speaker 5: there's something wrong. You need to go check out my
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  Speaker 5: son's house. And whatever. The police go, they say, they
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  Speaker 5: see nothing wrong. Time goes by and they discover that
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  Speaker 5: he's got little girls buried all over his property. He's
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  Speaker 5: got a dungeon in his basement. He's been chaining bitches
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  Speaker 5: up down there. He's been making snuff films. He's been
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  Speaker 5: making like child porn.
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  Speaker 2: All.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Huh.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Guy's busy, Yeah, he's busy.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: He's fucking busy, and he's probably on welfare, so he's
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: got nothing better to do than to be at home
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: raping and killing bitches.
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: In Belgium, he was definitely the Belgian Epstein. And what
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: ended up, what ended up causing him to go to jail,
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: was that the people of Belgium were so sick of
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: it that they took to the streets and had a
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: national Day of protest, which actually into looking into this
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: guy and putting him in jail. But they I mean,
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: they didn't execute him, they didn't do nothing like that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: And he's still rotting in jail to this day. But
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: you know, it's just overwhelming amounts of evidence. And the
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: thing I've seen about him is that he's associated with
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: this Belgium castle they call the Mothers of Darkness Castle.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: So he's basically running an Epstein network out there for
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: blackmailing Belgian politicians. And I think that's pretty important because
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: you know, this is like the heart of NATO and
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: all the rest of this globalism is right there, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: he's associated with all of it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to ask, what's his NATO connection?
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: I mean it's Belgium, so it's.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was definitely connected, and I mean headless put
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: it perfectly, because they use people like Mark Dutrow to
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: kind of like act vicariously through He procures the girls
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and then they make these you know, blackmail tapes, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: they make snuff films and they do all this stuff
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: and they probably sell them too, and so they use
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: a guy like Mark dutrou They see that he's already
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: into this shit, he's already been raping and molested in
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: his way through. They let him out of jail early,
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: and they almost kind of recruit these men to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: a part of the of the scheme. You know. It's like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: before I move off of Mark Dutroux, I just want
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: to say, it's like the same concept of the serial killer.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: There's they They probably look for people who fittest specific profile,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: who already are somewhat psychopathic, and then they weaponize them
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: to do their bidding. And so the idea of the
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: program to kill it's not very unlike programmed to pedophile
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: because it seems like they're also connected in these circles.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys had any questions on
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: that though, before I go to the next part of it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And there was no Satanism connected to the de trou affair.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: I think Dutrow from what I can remember, they said
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: like maybe his parents were into it, and it was
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: like a generational thing, kind of like generational satanism.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: They take the little boys, they dress them like girls,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: they make them eat shit, drink, piss, it's all part
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: of like the trauma, and then they grow up and
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: then they become Mark Dutrow because it's like generational Satanists them.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: They sure, so there was evidence of that then with
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: the De trou affair as well, because it seems to
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: have the hallmarks of it. But I'd never recall there
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: being anything in the investigation too much toward the book
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: for that matter, regard the satanic elements of it, but
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: certainly has all the hallmarks.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd have to go back and read it to
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: be sure, but I'm pretty if I'm remembering right. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: think it was like a generational thing and like his
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: grandma or something. It's always like the grandma who's the
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Satanist to like dressism, like girls and stuff that it's
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: all fucked up. But I mean, as far as I
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: can tell, this dude Troe guy, he had like a
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: bunch of like people under him and then there was
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: like people under them and it was literally like a
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: spider web and they were all producing child porn and
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: you know blackmail stuff with politicians.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, that sort of goes back into the Mothers
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: of Darkness angle. So the predominant theory is that this
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: castle is where you've got a lot of these, I guess,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: highly psychic women that act as like the generals of
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: this kind of pedaphocracy, and so basically they're getting orders
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: from this Belgium castle, and the castle to this day
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: people have tried to infiltrate and everything else. They've got
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: massive security around it, and there doesn't appear to be
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: any you know, overt reason for it other than the
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: fact that all of these you know, politicians and everybody
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: else can be seen driving up there and basically getting
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: orders from headquarters.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah it is. And actually the next one that
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you guys about it's governmentee too.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: But it's not in Belgium, obviously, it's here. But like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: have you guys ever to the Franklin cover up? The
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Franklin scandal?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We covered that, oh you did, yeah, when lux was.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Around okay, ancient history b C.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, b L before looks the show has
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: been around longer than he was, so at least that's
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: good now without it's been around without him.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: But yeah, so the Franklin scandal, it was a lot
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: like what was happening in Belgium with Mark Dutreau, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: it was over here and it was a politician guy
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: is black Republican guy, Larry King, not the top show
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: fucking house.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, you know what it was greater, you know, it
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: was great about that when Julia that was all Republicans,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: right right, right, people. That's that's why it's not that
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: popular because it wasn't all Democrats.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Oh, speaking of Republicans, let me just throw this in there,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: because it's in Program to Kill. I don't know what
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: side of the fence anyone's on. I am not on
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: either side, okay. But Donald Trump, okay, was friends with
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: this guy he's mentioned in Program to Kill. His name
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: was Roy Kohane, and he was a known gay pedophile
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: and he got other gay people removed from their positions
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: in the office. They called it like the Violet Scarer,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: the Violet Scandal or something like that, and then turned
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: out he was the biggest gayest pedophile out of all
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: of them, and he was besties with Donald Trump. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: also Donald Trump is besties with Epstein, although he doesn't
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: seem to remember that shit. And it's like, I'm sorry,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna convince me that he's just oblivious to
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: all this shit. His best friend, this Roy Cone guy,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: he wasn't to have like little boy parties at his house.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: You didn't invite all of his politician friends over and stuff.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: You remember Bill Barr, that was, you know, supposedly Trump's boy,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: that was gonna, you know, help take down all these
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: pedophile rings.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: He he was around.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: He was around during the Franklin scandal and somebody brought
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: stuff to him and said, Yo, we think something's going
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: on here. He looked at Nope, nothing to see here.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Same thing he did with Epstein Ship. I'm telling you,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I swear to God that guy's put in position to
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: let ship slide. Bill barrright, yeah, Bill Barr, Yeah, Bill Barry, Yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Bill Barr, Yeah, Bill Barr.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Will Bar's neck team, whatever neck he has. He's a
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: nect eve in the rank concert scandal.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: He was out at his having an undercover intelligence name
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: there and seen it multiple sites, including me in Arkansas,
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: so by numerous witnesses. So that dude is definitely scandalous.
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: But yeah, speaking of roy Cone, he's a court of
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: Maury Terry, the files of Molitary had Ron, member of
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: the process.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Are you talking about, uh, the Maury Terry? Are you
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: talking about the ultimate evil or sure yep yep.
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: And within his files he didn't mention it in the book,
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: but within his files he has Roy Cone listed as
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: a member of the process of the children there, the
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: unter Meer cult, contingent of the process. And also in
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: that group is a fellow that grew up in Westchester
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: County and part of the children there listed in the
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Terry Files who happens to be a banker out in Omaha,
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: Nebraska to day.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: And he gets off Scott for you, right.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Not only that, he's in a site where you know
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: where the Franklin scandal was the headquarters of it is
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: with bankers and Omaha, Nebraska.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: So you have a member of the children identified in
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the Terry.
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: Files who was part of the Westchester cult, contingent of
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: the process. The minute at Utremeyer Park, you know, it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: largely responsible attributed to the Son of Sam murders and
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: additional murders on top of what is known as the
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: Son of Sam murders. But yeah, one of those guys
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: from the is a banker out now all today, a
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: VP has been out there for almost thirty years.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: He runs a bank out there. So I find that
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: very odd.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Well fucking nuts. Oh sorry, go ahead.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: One of the most interesting parts of Roy Khone's history
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: is his acting as a legal counsel to a lot
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: of the mobsters in New York. So the mobsters would
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: hire him, He'd come into the courtroom, and everybody in
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: the courtroom would now stop badgering the mobsters and started
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: treating them with some more respect because Roy con had
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: dirt on all of the court officers, and so he
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: was very influential in the late eighties when the FBI
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: was going after all the mobsters.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: He's a fucking piece of shit in what he is,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: and I just I you know, sometimes the company you
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: keep says a lot about you. And so I'm not
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: friends with any pedophiles that I know of. I'm not
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: friends with any murderous douchebags that I know of. So
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: if your friend group includes more than one murderous pedophiling douchebag,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: I mean you start wondering maybe this guy is a murdering,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: pedophiling douchebag. That's all I'm saying. Again, I don't you know.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I know a lot of people are trumping and a
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: lot of whatever, but it is what it is. As
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: far as that goes. And it's the same with this
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Franklin scandal stuff, because it was basically a black Republican
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: guy who was invested in a bunch of like loans
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: and savings companies, and he was also doing like charitable
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: stuff with Boystown I think it was, And so I
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: guess they were funneling boys out of this Boystown, which
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: was like a halfway house or an orphanage of kind,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: and they were taking him and doing all this blackmail
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: stuff with them. And one of the most known survivors
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: of this, I guess you could call him is a
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: guy named Paul Banassi, which I'm sure a lot of
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: you are familiar with. And this guy's incredible because if
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: he's telling the truth, if everything, it almost makes me
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: wonder how he's able to say the amount of stuff
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: that he says and get away with it. But if
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: half of the stuff he says is true, holy fucking
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: shit balls. I mean, have you guys heard this guy talk.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: He's got like seventeen personalities.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Oh I've seen yeah, Yeah, I watched his Yeah, we
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: kind of covered his interviews on the show.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some wild stuff story list.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: You said you saw it?
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, I've seen the book on the Franklin cover up,
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: and the stuff that Banassi was saying went right back
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: to the very first kid they ever put on a
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: on a milk cart.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So he's like.
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: Johnny Gosh, Hey, john Anton Pats is the first milk
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: card boy, I think though, But ye, Johnny Gosh.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Was the first, second one.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: You was the first paper boy.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: It was that paper boy craze of going missing their eighties.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: He was the first one of that that whole scare.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: I remember that scare.
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: Now? Is he the one who was taking to the
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: Elephant Rock in Colorado? Was that Johnny Gosh?
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Supposedly?
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: Right, so that some of that story from Bonanci seems
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: to check out, I know, and following some of that
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: story in years with the author, they found that house
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: that Bananci tells about in Colorado.
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and shout out the thrash on this one. That's
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: right by Monarch Mountain, so you know, you know with
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: the whole clockwork orange thing going on, you know, the
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: Monarch Mountain or not clockwork orange, but the shining the
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: monarch poster. So it's just a little same there. The
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: house is right by that mountain out there and there's
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: a lot of weird stuff that goes on in that area.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: So, I mean, Paul Banasi says all kinds of stuff.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: He says Bohemian gross stuff. He says stuff about Hunter S. Thompson.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: He brought up a Quino, didn't didn't he bring up
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a queen?
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I believe the stuff.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty sure he brought up Michael Aquino specifically, Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: He did.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: He he addressed him as the colonel and he was
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: supposedly in charge of all this bullshittery. So the way
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Paul Pinnasi, and again it does go back to the
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Johnny Gosh kid because he says that they they Paul
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Banassi was there when he was taken, they did all
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: kinds of messed up stuff.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: To him, and.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Maybe they killed him. I don't remember if he said
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: so or not. But Paul Banasi they always talk about,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: well he didn't, there was no trial, there was no
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: case or whatever. He actually took Larry King to civil
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: court and did end up winning that case against him,
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: and I think Larry King had to pay him like
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: a million dollars or something like that. But when people say, oh, well,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: there's nothing to support this Paul Bannasi's crazy and he
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: made all this up. He won his case in civil
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: court against Larry King, so I mean he was able
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: to convince a jury obviously or a judge that this
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: all happened. So it just gets you to think, and maybe,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: you know, all the stuff he's saying is true. I
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: don't know, maybe it's a little true and a little lies.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's at least partially true. Have
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: you guys heard about any of that stuff with the trial.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Well, I've I've heard about some of the stories that
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: he just even you know he told, especially with that
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: girl too. But uh, in my opinion, even if you
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: think about the day's in the time that it was at,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: like the date I forgot how long ago, my opinion,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Like when he gave descriptions of like where these places are,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: he would be telling you, like what's on the corners
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: of the streets. Oh, it's over that's on the other
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: side of the street, Like he just give painting a
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: visual picture like so like you could tell he was
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: probably really there, you know. So it's like I don't
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: think they had map quest then and he I don't
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: think he was like Google Earth, you know, Google Earth.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: So odds are then like the unless it was scripted
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: for him to read and to know prior my opinion,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: some of the stuff he says I do think is
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: true because it's just the it's almost as if you
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: like he's describing it as he really was there.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: That's That's one of the things about Paul Banasi is
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: he would actually document things like graffiti, yeah, inside of
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: a McDonald's, and it's like, well, how could he possibly
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: know that? People went back and checked out his work
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: and found all of the things that he was talking
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: about in that book about the Frankly cover up.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: And that kind of leads me back to Michael Achino
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: because he talks about Michael Aquino, like I said, he
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: calls him the Colonel. And then if you really get
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: to dig it into the colonel quote unquote, there's this
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: stuff about the Presidio Air Force Base daycare. I want
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: to say, was it the daycare or a first grade,
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: second grade something like that?
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the city Army Okay, it was a daycare.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So in Program to Kill it kind of outlines
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: how the Presidio Air Force Base basically if Michael Aquino
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: is the colonel or whatever, and he's running all this. Basically,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: they have an understanding that these kids are easily drug
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: and taken to Michael Aquino's house for programming, and a
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: couple of the kids started talking about it, and they
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: would say like, we'd drink a pink, sleepy drink and
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: then mister Gary touches our no no spot, and then
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: we're taken to the colonel's house quote unquote, and they
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: would say that he looked like Mickey Mouse. If you
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: look at a picture of Michael Achino how he used
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: to style his hair and shit, he did look like
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: fucking Mickey Mouse. It was fucking ridiculous. Go and look
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: at a picture of it. But anyways, they would say
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: that he looked like Mickey Mouse. They would say that
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: they were watching videos of animals getting torn apart, that
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: they were getting asked to tear animals apart. They were
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: eating shit and drinking piss and getting shit and pissed on,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: and then they were coming home. Of course, they cleaned
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: him up and stuff and sent him home, and a
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: couple of the kids started remembering this shit and telling
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: their parents, and the parents filed a suit against Michael
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Keino and Michael Keino was like, fuck you, I'm going
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: to do you for defamation, and guess what, he walked away.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Scott Free didn't have to fucking you know, own up
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to any of this shit. And Paul Banassi, I mean,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: it's crazy, Actually, do you guys know about this stuff?
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Right? Well?
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: At the presidio he claimed that they were coming after
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: him because he was a Satanist. They're like, oh, this
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: is all just satanic panic. But that it turns out
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: in the documents related to what's that cult called in DC,
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: you know this one JJ, But there's this called document Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: the finders called there you go, and the finders called
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: documents they actually talk about the presidio and talk about
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: that there were these tunnels under the daycare that these
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: children described, and that didn't come to light until, you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: twenty years after the fact. But there was somebody at
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: least on that case. I believe it was the guy
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: who was a customs official who was looking into it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: That the FBI and the CIA were feuding over, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: who gets to release it, and the CIA was covering
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: up all the stuff about the the finders. But the
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: exact same type of methodology talked about in The Finders
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: with these sacrificed animals was one of the things that
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: was also used by the the Akino cult out in
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: the Presidio. So there's a huge crossover between the two
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: that apparently the CIA doesn't want coming to light because
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: the Finders was basically a CIA front group.
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: Well, they're rumored to make the best born the best
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: child for in the CIA is they sell to everybody.
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: It's a big profitable scheme for them. The other foreign
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: intelligence agencies.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: M I actually have the Oh so America is good
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: for something right here in America.
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: One of the things, dude, there was oh go ahead, no, no, no,
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: it's okay, go ahead, go ahead, Oh no, I'll.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Just say it really quick. There was something in Program
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: to Kill about There was a child porn website and
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: they had like a whole HR department and a fucking
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: receptionist for the front desk and all this ship. It's like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: who's calling with an HR complaint? Who's calling with a
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: fucking I issue? Like, are you serious? Anyways? Go ahead, Lisa.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: No.
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: One of the things that that to me stuck out
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: with Bonacci's whatever his telling was, is that if you
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: kind of now like look back and so much has
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: come to light now with these quote unquote serial killers,
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: these quote unquote cults, the ones that have this tie
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: to intelligence. Cult serial killers or anything like that, all
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: have the same hallmark, the cannibalism, the satanic, the child
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: the snuff, the everything. And so to me, the way
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: I grew up and I grew up in doctrinated that
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: serial killers are real. And you know, this was a
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: thing that they all have their own signature, right, they
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: all have their own methodology, they have their own fingerprint,
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: so to speak. And yet no one's looking at the
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: fact that the government's fingerprint is all over this. This
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: is how they do business, right, and no one has
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: kind of really tied all that, you know in with
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: it all, I mean, except for this book. But it
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: seems like it's over and over. Everything is redundant in
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: the same mo.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Well, I agree.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: What are the reasons why Michael Aquino was so protected
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: by the US Army and so integral to their work
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: was his book mind War and Mind War was part
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: of the army curriculum about how to engage in psyops,
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: and so he was so influential because of the fact
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: that he had the experimental knowledge to sort of transfer
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: all of this child abuse into working propaganda techniques, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: he claimed it was a way to put an end
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: to war, and he was doing it peacefully, but really
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: what he wanted to do is to use basically wind
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: ups and children that had been abused as a method
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: of assassination and all the rest of the stuff that
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: the NATO forces and everybody else can now use in
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: times of great civil strife to try and push these
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: societies into either civil war or regime change or any
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: of the rest of the stuff that would be useful
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: around the world.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Going and go to the next one, unless you guys
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: are okay. So it kind of dovetails with the Presidio
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Michael Lochino stuff because in another part of California there
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: is this McMartin preschool trial thing, and it's just like
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: the Presidio daycare. These kids are coming home, preschool aged
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: children coming home and telling their parents that they're getting touched,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: that they're stuff going on. And one of the first parents, gosh,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I'm forgetting her name, Judy Johnson, I think is her name.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: She was the first parent of one of these kids
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: to step forward and say that I think there's something
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: going on here. My kid is saying this stuff, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: she took him to like a primary care physician or
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: a pedes doctor whatever, and they did a bunch of
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: tests on him. And there's one test. I'm not making
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: this up. It's called the anal wink test. And they
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: do it on kids or whoever as part of like
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: almost like a rape kit type thing. And these kids
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: are showing clear and evident signs of being sexually abused,
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: and they're talking about getting taken under the school in tunnels,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: and you know, it's it's getting crazy, and so this
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: whole trial gets started up. I can't remember the number
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: of kids, but I think it was like over fifty,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: maybe one hundred kids. Parents are part of this trial,
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: and they hire like this court appointed psychiatrist to talk
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: to all these kids and verify their claims. And they
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: talk to all the kids. They come back and they say,
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: you know what, we think these one hundred and twenty
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: six point two children are all suffering from false memory syndrome.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: And they've been all convinced that this is reality, but
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: it's just a dream and they're all having false memory syndrome.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what you guys have to
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: say about that. But imagine your kid preschool age, coming home,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: you take them to the doctor, there's like, yep, there's
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: been stuff going on here, and then you go to court,
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: you get all the way to the trial and they
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: say we're sorry you in one hundred and twenty six
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: of your kid's friends are all suffering from false memory syndrome.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Like you tell me what preschool age kid knows to
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: put those type of details into a story, and what
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: type of pre school age kid knows about sexual stuff?
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: You know that it definitely insane. Yeah, it's crazy. I
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: would I would be going to jail, Let's put it
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: that way, because I would do something.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: I should be down there tearing bitch's faces off. I
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: would be that, uh if my kid said something like
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: that to me. But I mean hadless you guys heard
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: of this stuff?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I think yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I mean didn't some of the.
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: I was just gonna say, I mean some of the
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: parents that made enough noise ended up getting taken out,
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: didn't they? Or miss Mysterious things happened to some of them.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: So that Judy Johnson, the first mom that came forward
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: with her kid a week before she was set to testify.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: She showed up in her home dead of what they
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: call a heart attack. And then they were like, well,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: you know, Judy was a fucking alcoholic, she was a
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: fucking prastitute, choose Flashner's shit all around town. None of
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: that shit was true, and she wasn't an alcoholic. And
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: actually she only had started drinking a little bit here
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: and there after the trial started. I mean, you could
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: imagine you'd want to stiff one, like, with all that
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: shit going on, you cannot tell me that makes you
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: an alcoholic. That's it's just ridiculous. They say that she
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: was such an alcoholic that she had a heart attack
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: in her house and just died a week before she's
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: supposed to testify.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, come on, guys, Well, the False Memory Syndrome
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: Foundation was started by these abusive parents whose daughter had
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: remembered these memories of being abused as a child and
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: blamed her parents for it. And so not only did
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: you have the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, which brings up
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: another angle is the foundations and all these I guess
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: nonprofit organizations have their fingerprints all over this stuff. As
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: soon as something comes up, you get descended upon by
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: all these different organizations that are now there to discredit
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: the children. And what's interesting too is not only did
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: you have the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, you also had
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: a psychologist from out in Utah, one of these uh
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: I guess fixers for the the you know, Utah chapters
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: of these different organizations, that was literally implanting memories as well.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: So you have both sides of the equation being forced
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: on these kids, so that there are some kids with
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: false memories. And then you also have a False Memory
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: Syndrome Foundation. Ralph Underwagger for the False Memory Syndrome Foundation,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: he was one of the clergy that they would use
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: as sort of their cover was actually hot with child pornography,
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: so the entire organization was was completely corrupted. Still, look
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: up the False Memory Syndrome Foundation website where they're you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: basically saying, we need to stop these psychologists from implanting
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: memories into our children. Now, if you think about the
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: improbability of having the type of conspiracy that would create
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: these false memories for children, you have to also understand that,
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: you know, there would be an industry there that would
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: be exploited. So you've got both sides of the coin
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: sort of working together, just obscure and throwing much garbage
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: on top of this whole thing, sort of the industry moving.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Mhm, JJ, were you going to say something earlier? I
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: don't know if I cut you off or.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Anything, JJ, he might be stuck.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Actually, oh okay, I was going to say. I thought
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: he was going to say something, but maybe he's frozen.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: The head was the psychiatrist you were talking about. Is
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: that Barbara Snow.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: I forgot her name, but that's.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And then she worked wissle with that Teal Swan
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: who's like, uh, you know, life guru, now tell you
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: to just kill yourself so you reincarnate and come back.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Your life is ship ah fuck, people have done it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: Teal Swat is all over these ads, all over Facebook
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: and Instagram.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: I'm sure she is. Yeah, yeah, but you know what
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: they did to these cities. Oh no, I'm not gonna
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: cut you off again this time, you go, Lisa.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: No.
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: I was gonna mention something about the false mentionory, some
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: false memory syndrome. But I don't know if JJ is
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: going to say something, and so I don't want to
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: take his thunder, So go ahead. I think we're gonna
• 49:46
  Speaker 11: probably say the same thing. So I'll let you go
• 49:49
  Speaker 11: no no, go go go.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: No by all means okay.
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: So, and we've covered this on the Occult Rejects. So
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: and please JJ, please in because you were on the
• 50:01
  Speaker 11: show at the same time. So we kind of talked
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: about the psychiatrist Elizabeth Loftis, who is well known for
• 50:09
  Speaker 11: the false memory syndrome. And so Elizabeth Loftis, might I
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: mention got her PhD from Stanford, which we all know
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: that Stanford's very well connected to Esslon all kinds of
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: think tanks, cults, what have you, right, But she's also
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: been you know, somewhat of a consultant on the O. J.
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: Simpson trial, on I think Weinstein's trial, and then believe
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: it was her that was asked for specifically by name
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: by Gailaine Maxwell. The other person that was asked for
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: by Gislaine Maxwell was Park Deats and Elizabeth Loftis belongs
• 50:50
  Speaker 11: to the firm of Park Deats. Park Deats is the
• 50:54
  Speaker 11: forensic psychiatrist that was called in for the following trials
• 50:59
  Speaker 11: Robert John bart Do, John W. Hinkley, Betty Broderick, Jared
• 51:04
  Speaker 11: Lee Lofner, and other serial killers like Joel Rifkin, Jeffrey Dahmer,
• 51:11
  Speaker 11: Ted Kaczinski, Richard Kazinski. I don't know the list goes on,
• 51:16
  Speaker 11: but anyway, so it's all connected, yes, to that whole
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: false memory syndrome.
• 51:22
  Speaker 12: Oh my god, have you guys ever heard of this
• 51:29
  Speaker 12: debunker guy from the eighties, the amazing Randy.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what was he?
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: What was he debunking?
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: Debunk psychics, psychic phenomenon or whatever. And so he was
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. I think
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: he was a board member. And this guy, uh, he said, well,
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: he called some teenagers up on the phone and tried
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: to solicit sex from them. He said he was doing
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: it as a sting operation for the False Syndrome Foundation.
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: So it's like you're trying to sting thirteen year old
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: boys into what there's.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: The only research, it's only research, right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: Memory Foundation is deeply rooted in CIA activities and and
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: Satanic activities because the head of the Satanic temple, the
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: old boy who goes by the name Lucy and Greeves,
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: mister Doug Mashenko. He's a Harvard graduate specializing in false
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: memory syndrome psychology, and he's also he also runs the
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: process dot org website and very likely the uh satanic
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: element of the process today. But hey, that's a different
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: story together. So it seems like very processed CIA satanic
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: stuff pushing these current false memory syndrome aspects today. So
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: it's a very shady, very shady element.
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: And yeah memory, Oh I'm so sorry.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Oh no, I was just gonna say, yeah, they got
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: a but they got to get these kids in the
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: fucking cult as soon as they can. Sorry, Lisa, go ahead, no.
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: No, no, that it rings a bell because y'all did
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: a show last night with the Idaho four. So Elizabeth
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: Lofts back to the false memory syndrome. She was married
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: to the chief guy for the psychology department University of Washington,
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: and so she has a lot of connections to a
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: lot of the forensic psychology whatever that whenever these huge cases,
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: you know, start getting huge coverage, these people are somewhere
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: in the background of it all, at least the departments
• 53:35
  Speaker 11: or people that are consulting or anything like that. Now
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: we have the guy who's supposedly Coburger has been implicated.
• 53:43
  Speaker 11: He was a student there at the psychology department. Correct
• 53:46
  Speaker 11: forensic psychology department, absolutely yep, or whatever.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that is strange, and there's a lot of weird
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: funding speaking of kind of CIA kind of funding to
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: those schools. I mean I often asserted the Air Force,
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: the CIA, and NASA are the same organization because I
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: just used to manage the budget for Air Force cops,
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: you know, headquarters in DC, and I kind of came
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: to these conclusions through budgetary meetings. But because they're also
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: created by the same legislation, the National Security Act of
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: nineteen forty seven, and weirdly enough, University of Washington University
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: or Washington State University there in the University of Idaho.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Get weird NASA funding.
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: I have some strange NASA research programs there, which to
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: me is again just the CIA. So I often wonder
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: I had no idea often set of connections there. That's interesting.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I still think Coburg is a SiO.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Well, look, it's certainly I see I saw some more
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: comments about that from our show.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I don't I still think something.
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, there was never any bodies taking scene taken
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: out of the house, so I mean there is an
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: argument to be made.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's uh. I think Coburg is running like
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: a show and then.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Tracking it all that's right. Look, it's twenty twenty five.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: All bets are off, so we're passing me in World
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. That certainly could be going on. I wouldn't.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't rull it out.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: It's not a bad idea, And that's exactly what he
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: was focused on, right, analyzing the psychology of criminals and crime.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: All right, you want to go on to uh, who
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: are we talking about again? Before we got onto coburger,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: that probably said to me bringing.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: In the McMartin false memory syndrome stuff.
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, in Hollywood, Hollywood's whitewashing the entire subject real quick
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: with James Woods mister right twixter Hero didn't start in
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: the whitewashing of that.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I think it was Oliver Stone.
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: I think Oliver Stone directed it and James would start
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: in it, and they completely actually entire subjects.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen it, but I will tell you if
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: you look at the wikiped for the mc martin preschool trials,
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: it's nothing. Even they they're like, oh, well, you know
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: that basically the parents didn't win against mc martin. You know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: so no justice. None of these kids got any justice.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: And you know if you look at the Wikipedia, it's
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: like they didn't win the trial. So nothing to see here, folks,
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: Look away, look away, you know, let's pretend that this
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: didn't even happen. They used like some kind of ground
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: penetrating radar later over the school grounds and they found
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: collapse tunnels under the school and I think one person,
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: independent researcher or independent investigator something dug down there and
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: found like a Mickey Mouse lunch bag down in the
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: collapse tunnels and shit. So it's like the kids, where
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: how do you justify the false memory syndrome? Now there's
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: actually fucking tunnels and actually fucking Mickey Mouse fucking lunch
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: boxes down there.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: So it sounds like the Brooklyn Synagogue.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't when we.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Brought when we talked about Barbara Snow, wasn't there also
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: in some way she attached to Mormons. Wasn't that one
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: of the reasons why she was brought up, like to
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: the like the elders of Zion or some shit like that,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: which was like some Mormon stuff.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: There we go with the elder again some some stuff.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: There was something like that with these zion I can't remember,
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: but I do know that when she's been brought up
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: twice on the Occult Rejects. One time it was because
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I was covering Mormons.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: So because of the the old Warren Jeff's thing like
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: the Zion. Isn't that what he called it?
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: I can't remember. It was like a rabbit hole. It
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: was kind of like a thing that came off of
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: like a topic, and it was just like, oh yeah,
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: and somehow it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Can beave it victims it.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it might have been that.
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: Boy had to go take that press conference and say
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: he wasn't a cannibal and his wife didn't did okay,
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: and they didn't need kids?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: David leave it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Well, didn't like he tell on himself.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: He said the police are investigating him, and they're like, well,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: I actually we weren't until you just said all that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no one asked the questions like I don't need kids,
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: and they're like, whoa, what's the weird thing is?
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: That's oddly specific?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was weird. Yeah, Yeah, it's like he rad
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: it on himself.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: He did for sure.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, why would you say that? Of all
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: the things, just like I don't need asparagus? Okay, neither
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: to Rye, but no, I don't need kids. That's what
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: you went when that's gonna suck, you totally sold me
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: on it. You don't need kids, got it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Funny thing is that could be some slime bowl away
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: that he got, like like maybe some of the police
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: force tipped them off and said, oh, they're going to
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: charge you. So then he comes out and says that
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: ship and then like, oh, well there's a probable cause,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: you know, saying like they couldntroll them into doing that,
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: and that gave them a reason to actually look into
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: them sure, because I mean they do you like the criminals.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: I mean they you know, I could see them doing
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: that to their own Well.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: I think what's interesting is that Utah is not only
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: the home of the Mormons, but it's also the home
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: of a really vibrant New Age scene. And what a
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: lot of people about that New Age scene is that
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: that's basically the release valve for the Mormons. So as
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: soon as you run away from the Mormon temple and
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: you lose all your family and stuff, you've got these
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: Mormon controlled new agers right there with open arms, ready
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: to take you back into a new call. So they
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: open both sides of this equation, And I think that
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: really is symbolic of how most of these things are managed.
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: Is that you've got the false memory syndrome foundation, and
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: then you've got the new agers that are implanting false memories.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: So at the intersection between the two, you can just
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: see that it's nothing but confusion, which is a really
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: processed thing to do. You've got the you know, the
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: Jesus side of the processed church and the devil signed
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: the process church.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: And that's true.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: Oh. I think the way Barbara Snow was connected is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: that they were saying that she was putting false memories
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: of child bless station into Mormon.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Kids heads, right into Mormon kids.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were saying, all they really weren't touched. She
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: put these things into their heads.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, I've if I've watched one documentary on
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: Warren Jeff's I've watched a fucking thousand of them, and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: that piece of shit, asshole motherfucker was fucking doing all
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: kinds of stuff. There's no way they have false memory anything.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Did you see his face? He looks like the end
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: of a cigarette. He looks like a cigarette. He's disgusting. Okay,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: there's no seeing like if you looked up just it
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: everyone in your mind. Just imagine you're opening a dictionary
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: and you're flipping to the word Pedophile's the fucking picture
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: of Lauren Jeff's Like, that is what I imagine a greasy, skinny, weird, disgusting, lyuntic.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: But the crazy thing is, though, most of these pedophiles
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: are like people you wouldn't even ever imagine, and that's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: how they get away with it for so long. Politicians, celebrities,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: people you love, people you look up to, people you idolize.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: They all end up being parts of this shit. Even
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: your kids preschool teachers are part of it. I mean,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: think of that scary because you know, you always look
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: for like the monster with like the drool like dripping
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: from their things, but it's usually your kid's preschool teacher.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: And so one of the last things I had down
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: in my notes that I wanted to talk to you
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: guys about was something called the Country Walk Babysitting Service.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: I know, if you guys are familiar with.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: This at all, No, this is news to me. Nope,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: the first time on.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: Right, Okay, well, somebody knows. Hey, we're doing all right
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: as a society as long as one other person besides
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: me knows about like Save.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: The Day Disney, which is business right it's.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 10: Registered with.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: So there was.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: This guy's name is Frank Fuster. Anybody can look this
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: ship up and there's receipts in program to kill on
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: all this stuff. He was running a babysitting service with
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: his wife out of his home in Florida. He was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: a twice convicted either raper or molester of some kind,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: and he was let out early on some kind of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: parole and decided to open this country walk babysitting service
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: out of his house with his wife. Like I said,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: but it's like, is there no papers? You got a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: file to get some type of a like I work
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: from home thing, and like I have a company out
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: of my house. Like who's letting this guy who's been
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: convicted twice and on parole of similar crimes around children?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: Like who's doing this? But I guess everything's fine and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: he gets his license to open up this babysitting service,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: and guess what the kids are coming home talking about
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: how they have to cut cats' heads off, and how
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: they're watching snuff films and how they're taking a pink
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: drink like fucking Starbucks shit and fucking falling asleep and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: all this stuff is happening to them.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: And.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: The parents, you know, try to sue or whatever. They
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: don't get very far. And it comes out later that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: this Frank Fuster, the Country Walk baby sitting Service is
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: a subsidiary of Walt Disney Company, And so this guy
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: who's been twice convicted of similar crimes and is now
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: raping and pedophiling his way through neighborhood kids is an
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: employee of Walt Disney. Essentially.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: Wow, So I mean it's again Walt Disney.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, you want to talk about some fucking raping,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: pedophiling weird shit there. I mean, I've covered Disney almost
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: that nauseum. But he was, you know, involved with all
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: those weird secret Germans and shit and fucking NASA stuff.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: And it's like the list of pedophiles in Program to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: Kill Us so long, if I went through all of them,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: we'd have to be here for six more hours. But
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think Disney was mentioned specifically, but Lewis Carroll was,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: and you know, Lewis Carroll's real name is Charles Dodgeson,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: and he was, you know, very influential to the pedophile crowd,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: and he used to take pictures of naked children and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: say that he was just studying them, and people were
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: grossed out by it, so he started sketching them, and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: you know, he he's got all this stuff. Thank you, Suzanne,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: I fucking appreciate that. But you know, he's got all
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: this stuff. This with the girl that was the inspiration
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: for Alice in Wonderland, the real little girl's name was
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: Alice Little And before the book even dropped, Lewis Carroll
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: had been banned from the residents forever coming back there
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: or being there near the children again. So you know,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: he clearly had some weird shit going on. And I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: think if you really read the Walrus and the Carpenter poem,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: it's dank with suggestions about pedophilia. I mean, Lisa, you're
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: shaking your head. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 11: Nick and I have gone back and forth with the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 11: Lewis Carroll thing because he was a huge proponent of marorscript.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: So he wrote a lot of things backwards because he
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 11: had the Iowas condition of like seeing things backwards, or
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 11: he would, you know, have that whole imaging thing, and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 11: that's where he gets the whole premise for doing things
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 11: backwards in Alice in Wonderland, and there is speculation that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 11: he may have been keeping the company of certain occultists
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 11: at the time. Whenever he was, he was a quote
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 11: unquote brilliant mathematician. He was very well respected in the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 11: academic setting, so to speak, which kind of brings it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 11: all back to when we talk about academics. We talk
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 11: about Robert Maxwell, who was Gilamed Mactwell's dad, and how
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 11: he had all of these academics under his umbrella as well.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: And we're talking about, you know, all kinds of scientists,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 11: and then we get the connection of scientists to pedophilia,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 11: scientists to mental manipulation, brain type of experimentation, and so
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 11: to speak. But yes, Lewis Carroll and most of his
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 11: poetry has kind of been censored from what I understand
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 11: because of it. It's not very pretty.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: I do think it's fucked up, is what it is.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: I think, Nick, go ahead.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: I do think Crawley ripped him off. He's another person
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: that I think Crawley ripped off and reused for you know,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: I mean you could even say maybe some of his
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: you know, creepy, perverted style shit could even be somewhere
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: kind of like from Lewis Carroll.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: But I even think the Iowas.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: I think that's I think he's I think he ripped
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: off Iowa from Lewis caw Yeah, because that's the.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: Name Louis Carroll is is so interesting to me too. Sorry,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: go ahead, Lisa, No.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: No, no, I was just reiterating what Nick was saying,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 11: is that the actual syndrome is called Alice in Wonderland
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 11: syndrome anything. Yeah, it's Iowas with you go to Crowley
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 11: and he got all of his divination from a guy
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: or a spirit named Iowas. Right.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that shit. I knew
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: about the Alice in Wonderland syndrome though, because I did
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: like a thing about Disney. I think I don't know
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: who I was talking to, But that's crazy, Like the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: there's an actual condition you can have called alis in
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: Wonderland syndrome, and it's it's interesting to me that a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Disney wanted to produce Alics in Wonderland. You know, John
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: Lennon was obsessed with the guy. He had a fucking
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: stiff one for fucking Lewis Carroll and John Lennon said
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: that if he ever had had the chance, he would
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: have been incestuous with his mother. So that's that's, you know,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: to take that for what it's worth. But these people
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: who become obsessed with Louis Carroll are into some weird shit.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: And you know, Johnny Depp was in like the live
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: action when that's perfect role for fucking his ass. And
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: so if you look at the Alice in Wonderland, and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: actually before I forget, I just have to say this.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: When John Benney died, which is another episode, Nick, you
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: already know this, but when John Beney died, there was
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: these things that broke out in the nineties called the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: Wonderland Raids and they were going after pedophiles and they
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: called them the Wonderland Raids. So I mean, like this
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: whole tie in with Lewis Carroll, it's very I mean,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: it's it's crazy.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: One thing I want to mention too, just real quick,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: that I I remember just now, uh when we call
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: it covered the Fellowship of Friends. That's another old one
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: that was when Lux was on the show, and I
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: highly suggest people to go check that one out who
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: are kind of new listeners. It's an old show. But
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: it's really interesting cult that we covered. It's called the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Fellowship of Friends, and we showed how there was a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: connection to them owning some like it was almost like
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: a kid's type of pod school, and it was called
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Lewis Carroll School m And we were like, Yo, that's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: a little weird.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: That's pretty creepy.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: Lewis Carol definitely hung around with a lot of other
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: pedophiles too, like Roll Doll, the author, Roll Doll, you know,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: Willie Walker.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Charlie the chocolate factory.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, in that story he has the kids eat
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: the snosberries in the in the Wonka factory.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: In one of the books he describes he described Snosberry's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: as being dicks.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Fuck doesn't really try to hide it, did.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: That's another, by the way, fucking asshole.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah right.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And and honestly that book is creepy as fuck,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: which is I'm just saying.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, you know, Johnny Depp's got ties to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: all these fucking weirdos, fucking Marilyn Manson and ship.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: Well, I think I think the real innovation behind Lewis
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: Carroll and the and the children's books that are like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: that is that it creates this liminal space between what
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: is understandable and what makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: so what what it does is it creates a patterning
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: in the kid's mind that there's a place that they
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: might end up where they don't understand anything, and if
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: they just play along that they can get out of it.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 7: And if you if you look at like the Mad
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: Hatter and all these other things, these are not you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: stable people, which would you know, be representative of all
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: of the pedophiles that they might come into contact with.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: And everybody is off. Everybody has something strange about them.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: Everybody has something that makes them unique and interesting and weird.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: And in showing these kids these these patterns, you can
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: actually use this as sort of like a background trigger.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: So if something's going on that the kid doesn't understand,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: they go back into the into the rabbit hole, you know,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: and they're not really in that sort of conscious frame
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: of mind that would normally give them the ability to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: you know, say, you know, enough is enough. So if
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: that's the if that's the pattern, you can look at
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: stories like Pinocchio and all these other ones where it
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: sort of takes them outside of the norm and puts
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: them into a thoroughly confusing place, and then somehow at
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: the end of it they can come back into reality
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: to make it sort of obscure from anybody else who
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: would be looking into the patterns of abuse.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, you hit it right on, because I've done
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: a lot of research on SRA. I got a friend
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: in podcasting. His name is Sean McCann or you guys
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: know who he is. He has to Wake the Dead podcast.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: He does a lot of research into SRA. And the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: thing is, they use movies like Alice in Wonderland. I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: think the og in my opinion is the Wizard of Oz,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: But they use films like this to trigger dissociative states
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: in children as they're going through serious trauma, usually sexual trauma,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: so they almost send the kid down the rabbit hole.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: That's like the dissociative state like Paul Binassi talks about
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: and a lot of these survivors talk about, is basically like,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: you know, you have a trigger in some type of
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: phrase something like that, and you go to this disassociative state.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: But in order to do that, you have to go
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: through pretty serious trauma. And I mean Paul Banasi had
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: like fucking I don't even know how many personalities, like
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: twenty or something like that. So you can imagine what
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: they would have to do to a person to get
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: twenty alter personalities into one person, you know. And there's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: even people who have come out and said, like Barbie
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: dolls have played a really big role in traumatizing and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: disassociating girls because they take a Barbie doll, which is
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: a whole other episode in and of itself, but they
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: take like a Barbie and they're like, you're not Teresa tonight,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: you're Britney, and you know, it's like a trigger for them,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: and they go to somewhere else and then Britney comes
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: out and gets raped, and then you know, Teresa comes
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: back later and has it's no idea what happened. That's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: the type of shit that they do. That's what they
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: work on. I don't think you know, the mind control
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: aspect of it and the personality aspect of it. It's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: hard for some people to believe, but they probably have
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: it down to a science, and it probably didn't take
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: them that long to figure it out. And now it's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: just a process. It's like we're getting at a factory
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: pumping out fucking you know whatever soap like they just
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: bring the kids in, they do this to them next.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: It's a process and they have it down to a science,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: like it's easy to do this at this point, what
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: do you guys think.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: It might be? The process?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 11: Oh, right, right, process?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: In my opinion, I've had some I've had friends who
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: have had d I D before, and what ends up
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: happening is you'll have a single traumatizing event that the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: kid cannot come to grips to, and so as a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: self defense mechanism, the mind splits off and creates another
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: sort of personality that will protect that original personality from
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: anybody harming it again. Because at the very core of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: this whole thing is the idea that the mind will
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: protect the ego that started and it'll do so by
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: creating these personalities. So Paul Bonacci, he could still be,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: you know, spiraling off these other personalities as a method
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 7: of keeping that original safe from anybody harming it again.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: Because the one thing that the mind can control is
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: the thing that the body can't control. You know, if
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: you can control your mind, and that's what this all
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: goes into, is if they can create these personalities that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: are hyper reactive and hyper aggressive. Then they can use
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: those other personalities to then carry out things that the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: personality would never.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: Dream of doing, like a Venturian candidate type ship, right,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: mm hm.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: M hm, anything else.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 10: That's the whole thing with.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: Oh Go Ahead, Mike.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that's the whole thing with the Satanism.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 10: I mean, they might not believe it, but why is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 10: the intelligence involved in it, and why does it work?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Why is it effective?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 10: It's because it's so evil, it's so insane that the
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 10: child can't comprehend it. I mean, son Cat's Heads Off
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 10: is just the beginning. So that's why they do it,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: is because it's so terrible and it's so scary that
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 10: the kid will just completely shut off.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. Another state, OH Go Ahead is.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: An exact science, So they need a constant stream of
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: victims until they can find the kids that can be
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 7: influenced into creating these alternate personalities. So it's it's even
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: sicker when you think about the factory level or the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: industrial level that they're doing this child abuse on to
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: try and find one or two of these individuals that
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: can then be influenced to harm other people using these
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 7: alternate personalities.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's definitely satanic because I mean, if
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: you think about it, it was like Mike's saying. I've
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: always said, like wherever on the spectrum you are, if
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: you're like Christian, atheist, agnostic, whatever, you have to admit
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: that they're doing this shit and they got to be
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: seeing results because they just keep doing it and keep
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: doing it and keep doing it into varying degrees of horribleness.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: So I mean, if these satanic rituals are working, which
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: they must be because they keep doing them, if there's
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: a bad, then there's a good. And that is what
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: I I always try to remind people about, Like there's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: some really fucked up shit, but at least, thank God,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: there's also a good side of the world.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well even a lot of exorcists you talk about
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: that where like that's the moment that sort of gives
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: permission for like a entity to enter is like through trauma,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: you know, So that's when you get d id bipolar. Like,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: not all mental illness is actually mental illness. This is
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: sometimes a spiritual problem or a trauma based problem. Unfortunately,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: So like you know, we all know people who've been
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: probably abused in our lives, and it's like they didn't
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: go through a specific program, but that shit still happened
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: to them, right, or even like us just watching these films,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: like even as a kid, I hated The Wizard of Us.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: I didn't know why. I just really fucking hate that movie.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: But then it's like somebody, some adult is telling you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: this is a great movie. You're gonna love it, sit
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: and watch it. You're like, feel so uncomfortable the entire time,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: but you're like, this is good for you. You're gonna
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: love it. Or read The Witches it's a great book. No,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: actually that book is shitty and it's very uncomfortable. So
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: it's like you are already being taught to sit through
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: discomfort and be like yeah, that's okay, Like this is
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: good for you, and you're like, so, it's like we're
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: all being mildly traumatized, like on a mass scale regardless,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: you know, fucking yeah, or you said one hundred fucking
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: I actually you.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: Know, And they say, oh, it's for kids. Look, it's
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: made just for you. You're gonna love this. It's a
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: kid's movie. Fucking half of the half of the Disney
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: shit is got like, if you watch it as an adult,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: you're like, is this really for fucking kids?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: Yo?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: Well a movie.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: A movie just came out this Christmas. It was all
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: over streaming your stand up with Jack Black.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: Then oh they walk off.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: I watched it by my kids were like. My older
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: one was like halfway through, he's like, should we really
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: be watching this? And I was like, no, you can
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: turn it around. I was like, this is fucked up.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: It's basically fucking literally Satan literally running around and he's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: like making friends with him, like he's a fucking leprechaun
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: or some shit, like oh, let me take you to school?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: Is showing tel day everybody, This is my friend, fucking
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: Satan iconjured. This is what kids are watching. This is
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: the kid's Christmas baby.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: Now a normy say, like a normy family, so like
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: not to like put my relatives under the bus, but
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: like my sister in law was like, oh yeah, the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: kids thought it was so funny, it was so cute,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: and I was like.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: Are you fucked It's the devil. It's literally the.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: This isn't cute. Let's make friends with the devil and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: like he's funny Jack Black guy, you know, I don't know.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: I love Jack Black. I really that he fucking did
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: that Shitjra for God's sake, you know, fucking yeah, it
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: was weird. Sorry, I digress.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 11: One thing I was going to say, just to insert
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 11: real quick, is that when I went to go do
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 11: a quick study of some of Croly stuff at the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 11: UT Library, they have I think a majority of his
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 11: estate there at the UT Library. You know what other
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 11: estate they also have the Lewis Carroll one, oh shit,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 11: which I found interested because I was there whatever and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 11: they were like, oh, are you doing a biography? And
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 11: I was like, oh, I'm just doing a quick study.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 11: And they're like oh, They're like, we're really excited. We
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 11: just got the Lewis Carroll estate whatever. And I was like, well,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 11: that's random.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: The Lewis Carroll estate.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 11: Well, like part of his books, some of the paintings, oh, biographies,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 11: I mean a journal that guy literally thought it was
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 11: just how they also mentioned that and I was like, yeah,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 11: people have also not only come seqrally but also looks
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 11: at Lewis Carroll.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: At the same time.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 11: I don't know, I mean just it was just very random.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: Well, Lewis Carroll is fucking he's fucking you know. He sorry,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: I just have to say this. He was sketching naked kids,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: like fucking Leo and fucking the Titanic type shit, and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: like fucking sketching him laying on couches and shit, fucking naked.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: So everybody who thinks like his all separate the art
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: from the artist. Some shit you cannot Alice in Wonderland
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: your way out of just saying, right, what are the.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: Deep patterning techniques that Disney movies use. Is the death
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: of the parents at the beginning of the movie, so
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 7: automatically it becomes a trymatizing event that then the kids
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: sort of like, you know, are like, where's where's my stability,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: where's my you know, stasis point. And once they've you know,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: symbolically in the movie taken the protagonist's parents away, that's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: when things start to happen to that character that then
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: sort of compounds into this storyline where then they have
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: to make sense of this event and on a subconscious level,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 7: it can be very traumatic for the kids, and they're
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: always doing it in these Disney movies like Bambi and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: several others. It's like the parents die right off the bat,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: and so the kids feel without any security, even if
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: they're not really paying attention to the movie. That's something
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: that sort of pops up in the background. And how
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: many times do kids watch these Disney movies over and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: over again?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: You know, yeahve frozen. The parents are dead too, but
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: it almost like normalizes the child to be okay with
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: the parents not being around. And it also kind of
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: can conditions the kid to think like, oh, all the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: fun happens when the parents aren't around, because you know,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: it's always like, oh, my fucking parents died and then
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: I fucking went on this amazing adventure and fucking did
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: all this shit. Thank god my parents died at the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: beginning so I could do all this fucking Peter Panning
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: shit or whatever it is. That's not Peter Pants specifically,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: but you get the idea they program the kids into
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: thinking that's when the fun stuff happens. You don't need
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: mom and dad. They're dead to you, Like, that's that's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: important to put in there at an early age.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 7: Peter Pants specifically, the freest, most awesome hero ever is
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: an orphan who lives in this land that has no time.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: So it's it's still that sick.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: It's like kids watch that, they're like, fucking sign me up,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: fucking make me an orphan right now. I want to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: go do it and be fucking Captain hook and shit.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: But even like The Goonies, where the fuck is the parents?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: When the Goonies is happening, we're literally like, where the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: fuck are the parents? But that's what they want you
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: to think. They want you to find One Eyed Willie's
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: treasure chest when your parents are around. What did you
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: think about it? You can ye?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: He breaks the He breaks the statue in the beginning.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: Of the movie too. What in thees? Yes, you know
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: he falls off the One Eyed Willie. No, I never
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: never made that connection till right now.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: Thanks Julia.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well thanks no to Spielberg, because that motherfucker is
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: up to some ship. But like, you know, speaking to Spielberg,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: he's not mentioned in Program to Kill or anything, but
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: somebody ought to add him to a list of pedophiles
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: because I'm so sure. I mean, look at his fucking
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: cast of characters. He's got Heather or Rourke disteriously and
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: there's all this these stories about what really happened to her,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: Drew Barrymore, She's pretty fucked up. If you ask me
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: and if you if you've got her to say the truth,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: she'd probably tell you all kinds of stuff. I mean,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: he literally only makes movies where it's focused around kids,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: or there's like a lot of kids in it or
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: some shit like that. I literally I don't know the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: guy from uh Back to the Future, the guy that
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: played Michael J. Fox's dad. His name is Crispin Glover.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: He wrote this big, long thing to Steven Spielberg, like
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: why do you touch kids? Why do you have kids
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: in scenes with shit and piss all over them? And
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: why do you and like, you guys need to go
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: look at up. Crispin Glover he wrote this whole thing
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: to head Loose. You're nodding, do you know what I'm
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: talking about?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: It's horrendous, and nobody paid any attention to it. After that,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: it's like, oh, Crispin Glover, he's a crazy guy. But
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 7: it's like, dude, he's making very specific allegations against one
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: of these untouchable directors. And if you notice a lot
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: of the directors that got you know, in trouble on
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: Twitter for all these pedophilic statements, they're like Hollywood's favorite directors,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 7: you know, the guy who directed. He got in trouble
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 7: for all these pedophilic statements, and you know what happened
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: to him? Nothing? You know, James Gunn again, he got
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 7: promoted again saying it, but nobody does anything.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: No, he got promoted.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Congratulations, you're a pedophile. You're the CEO of Marvel.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: That Dan Schneider guy too, right, what did he say something?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about the guy that's in all the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: Happy Gilmore and all that ship weird. What's his name? Steve? No,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: don't say Steve.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: Schneider character would have hot dead parties with people.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: In the cast, and like, yeah he would, he would.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: He had a foot up session and you can see
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 7: what happened to one of his most famous stars. What's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: what's her name? The the one that's basically living on
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: the streets now, she had her own show. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 8: Love She also became best friends with J. J. Bryan,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: the head of one of the process cold off shoots,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 8: So I really think her a lot of or down.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: It may include Dan Schneider, but it also includes the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: processed Church of the Mandavines.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: Is Dan Schneider also the one involved with Britney Spears's
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: sister Jamie.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: Ly Zoey or what was that show called zoe Want Oh.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know those sitting of the show, but
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: I think I don't rumor to be the dad, right, Yeah,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: it's like her baby daddy or whatever. It's weird. And
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: then yeah, the Nickelodeon logo is the foot Well it
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: was for the longest time back.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: In the day. But I mean, if you think about it,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: there are other actors who have tried to come out
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: and say stuff like this, this Crisp and Glover guy,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: and it's like they get this and they're reading it
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: and they're like, oh, who the fuck are you the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: dad from fucking Back to the future? Fuck you? Like, oh,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: because you're not the fucking level of star or something
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: like you can't be taken for your yeah, for your
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: word or what I mean. But I mean, Steven Spielberg,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have heard about what
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: could have possibly happened to Heather or work, but he's
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: a fucking douche packer, right.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: Uh was that Poltergeist?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard some yeah m hm theories.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: I think the girl, the young actress from Jurassic Park,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: the original one, played the granddaughter. She also came out
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: and said stuff about Spielberger, and she like refuses to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: go to any like cast like you know, get togethers
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 6: or do any interviews. Nothing. She was one and done,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: one and done movie after that because of Spielberg.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: Wow, I mean think about that. That that's fucking nuts,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: and like it's still you know, I hate to say this,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: but some of them, the people that we idolized the most,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: that we hold on some type of pedestal that like
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: they're all usually involved in some weird shit like this,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: And I mean that's pretty much so for the first
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: part of Program to Kill, that's pretty much what he
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: goes into. It are these pedophile rings and stuff. And
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: I know it's hard to believe, and I know it's gross,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: and I know it's hard to talk about, and people,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: you know, dramatize shit sometimes, but if you're going to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: Reprogram to Kill, this is very important information. And I
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: think that the first like I said, I think it's
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: like ten chapters or something about these pedophile rings. Nothing
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: else will make sense to you about the rest of
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: the book unless you understand this first. And it's like
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: our government is and other governments are run by pedophiles
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: and serial killers, and it goes back a long time.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: Benjamin Franklin had little kids buried in his yard. I
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 10: mean they just excavated his house and found stuff like that.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 10: He was in the hell Fire Club. So it seems
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: like this has been the way for a long time too.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: Oh for sure.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Is there anythink anybody else wanted to bring.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: Up well about the serial killer tip? It's so interesting.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: He points out in the book that all of these
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: serial killers are connected to high level politicians.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: You've got.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm blanking on his name. They got you
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: dressed up like a clown.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: John Wayne Gacy, Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: John Wayne Gacy taking pictures with Carter's wife at the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: White House, and nobody seems to ask any questions about that.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: Ted Bundy was real high up into politics. Jeffrey Dahmer Military.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: A lot of these serial killers are military, the ones
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: that like to collect bodies and like fucking necrofile them
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: and split them up into pieces and shit. They're usually
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: turned out to be military. And one question that I
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: did want to ask you guys before we kind of
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: sum everything up was I recently spoke with a guest
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: and he asked me this question, and it's been lingering
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: with me, but he said, what do you think about
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: the possibility that a lot of these high level politicians
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: or actresses, musicians, whatever, serial killers, they're all just characters, right.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: They play this character of Ted Bundy, the mass murderer
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: that killed all these girls, and the real person who's
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: playing Ted Bundy, his name might not even be Ted Bundy,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: but he's just playing the role of the serial killer.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: And a lot of these victims could be fake and staged.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: Some of them could be real murders, but it's all
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: just like a big show because at the end of
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: the day, you can't convict Ted Bundy of murder because
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: Ted Bundy doesn't exist. That's a character, right, So the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: person who is committing all these crimes doesn't exist. And
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: so the same thing with the pedophile stuff. It's like,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: if they're just a character playing a role, then they
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: can do any crime any way they want to do it,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: pedophile as many kids as they want, because they're just
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: a character and they don't exist. It's an interesting thought.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: I agree. I think that can be part of it.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: I think one of the benefits of the serial killer
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: phenomenon is that you can kill somebody who's really your target,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: and they'll just get swept under the rug of this
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: was just a random act by a serial killer who's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: going around, you know, terrorizing the place, so you can
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: sneak a bunch of real targets for an establishment that
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: wants to get rid of these people into the deck
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: of all these random killings them. It's the difference.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, they're literally like employees. They're like characters
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: in the CIA, and they get all these bitch and monikers, right,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: the Green River Killer, the fuck BTK, buying torture kill like,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: they get some kind of zodiac and so they're they're
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: like characters. They're literally created and they're employed by the CIA,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: and they're they don't the people behind these serial killers,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: like it's just a guy playing a part. Their part
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: is the serial killer. They're supposed to murder these bitches because.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I think they do that
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: with other people.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: Politicians for sure. I mean, how many how many Joe
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: Biden's have we seen. There's a tall one, a short one,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: one that has detached ear lobes, one that doesn't Okay,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: I mean like there's multiple characters playing the same role.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: Or like multiple people playing the same character. So I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: think that it's true with celebrities. I think they swap
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: bitches out. I think, you know, goes across the board.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: So maybe we're all suffering from Alice in Wonderland syndrome.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: Maybe I wouldn't put it fast.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 11: Do you think that maybe could be a way of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 11: disguising contract killing.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: It definitely would be helpful, you know what I mean.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 11: Like if you kill a whole and then throw in
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 11: one that you really needed killed plain but you only
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 11: wanted one.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely. It definitely helps with the confusion because
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: a lot of people, and this goes back to something
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: we spoke about earlier in the episode, a lot of
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: people have done some interesting research that the Zodiac killer
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: was Michael Achino, and there's all these military boot prints
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: found on all the Zodiac victims crime scenes, and they
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: describe him as being clean cut, crew cut, military style,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: this and that. And one of the victims was killed
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: very close to the Presidio area, the cab driver. There
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: was some kids that called into the police and gave
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: a description of the assailant, and instead of giving the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: truthful description, they said, there's a freaking black guy running
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: around with a gun. Somebody come and get him. He
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: just shot a cab driver. They didn't even give the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: actual description that the kids had provided to the police.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: So they were at a wild goose chase chasing a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: black guy that didn't exist, while Michael Lakino's probably getting
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: off fucking you know, out of sight.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 11: Well, i'll plug one of your first episodes with PTK.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 11: You mentioned Hinckley and how he supposedly confessed to what
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 11: three to six hundred murders or something like that, but
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 11: that in reality and then he got off right, Bush
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 11: pardoned him, But in reality there was no real evidence
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 11: pointing to his death. And they think that maybe he
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 11: was confessing and he was giving actual evidence and it
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 11: allowed for them to close cases, but that maybe perhaps
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 11: he was being fed the information on these crimes and
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 11: he was just going to sit down.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: For a while.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 11: So serial killers themselves may not, be, like you said,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 11: the actual person doing it, but just a character that
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 11: is playing the part in it to allow for everything
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 11: else to be swept under the rug, and no one
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 11: is the wiser.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: Well, Lisa, did you see something on Netflix called The
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: Confession Killer?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 11: I have not yet.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, it's about It's just like what you were
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: saying is about Henry Lee Lucas. They called him the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: confession killer. Okay, yeah, I was gonna say Henry Lee, like,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: this guy's a fucking enigma. This guy they could say,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: we'll give you a happy meal box in two strawberry
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: milkshakes if you say you did these five crimes, and
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: he'd be like, okay, he And it was like Lisa
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: was saying, he admitted confessed to a number of murders
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: that he probably wasn't even in town, in the state,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: in the fucking country when they happened, but he would
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: admit to it as long they'd be like, hey, we'll
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: get you some cigarettes, We'll get you a fucking biscuits
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: and gravy. What do you want and they bring it
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: into him and then he would just start confessing shit and.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 11: So stuff like legit evidence. How would know if he
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 11: wasn't part of it?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: Right? And he did say Henry Lee Lucas did say
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: that he was trained by a military group that was
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: involved with the death Hand of death is what he
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: called it, and they were training serial killers essentially. That's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: what Henry Lee Lucas said. I mean, it's fucking wild,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: and I mean it. I really do think that a
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: lot of these guys are just playing the role of
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: the serial killer and there's somebody else that's doing a
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: lot of these murderous things, and then it's just getting
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: blamed on one person. When we get into it a
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: little bit further, I want to talk about it more
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: depth in like a future episode. But some of these crimes,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: you guys, like with gaycy Even and Bundy, like it's
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: not even possible for them to have gotten from one
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: crime scene to the other in the allotted amount of
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: time that they say it happened. It's like Ted Bundy
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: abducted this girl and this girl they live so teven
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: thousand miles apart, but he got there in fifteen minutes
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: and he killed both of them and they're both Bundy victims,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: and it's like, what the fuck? Slow down, Like this
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: is this not making sense? So these these serial killers, politicians, celebrities, whatever,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: they're usually characters playing a role, and they happen to
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: be murderous, psychopathic pedophiles most of the time. But I
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: don't know what you guys think about it.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I think so well, it goes sure. I think, yeah,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: for sure, some stuff goes on like that.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: I think it goes to the multiple faceted aspect of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: these serial killers. So you've got these police who are
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: looking to close as many cases as possible to make
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 7: themselves look good, and try and take all this evidence
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 7: and plant it on one guy so that well, now
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: our closure rate is back up to what like seventy
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: percent or whatever they what they claim. I know, like
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: a third of the murderers that happen in the country
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: go unsolved, So they have to have a serial killer
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: to sort of base all of their stuff on because
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: it makes them seem more competent than they are. And
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 7: then you know, at the same time, you've got the fear,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: and the fear is what produces this response of people
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: that gets them to look to the government as being
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: the answers, because you know, we're all a bunch of toddlers, basically,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: we can't do anything for ourselves, right.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: And I do think there are some grassroots just psychopathic
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: murdering people out there. You know, I've watched true crime
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: shows since I was like ten years old. I get it.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: There are actual psychopaths that actually fucking murder their pregnant
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: wives and shit like Scott Peterson, And there's actually fucking
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: pieces of shit out there that are murdering. But these
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: ones that get turned into superstars and get Netflix shows
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: based on them, gaycy Dom or Bundy, zach Efron playing Bundy.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: Are you serious? They got the kid from from American
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: Horror Story playing Dahmer. They're making celebs out of them
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: because they're homegrown. They're proud of what they've done, and
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: they're proud of the fact that they're getting one over
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: on everyone. And you know, I just think it's so interconnected,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: and at the root of all of this is usually
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: Satanism and doing stuff to kids. I mean, like that's
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: the sad truth of it. Even these a lot of
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: these Gacy victims and shit, it's like, I mean, he
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: wasn't even in town for a couple of them, So
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: it's like, why why do they always they're always needing
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: young men and children and doing weird stuff with them,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: Like it just I don't know.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 11: One more thing I wanted to insert because it just
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 11: occurred to me what you just said. So these profiling
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 11: of these serial killers that gave them their names, that
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 11: gave them their fame, so to speak, is the behavioral
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 11: science the what is it, the behavioral forensic science unit
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 11: of the FBI. M Ready, those people are already you know,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 11: questionable in of them themselves. I think the Netflix documentary
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 11: or the series or whatever, I thought it was great.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 11: I thought it was great acting, whatever. But yes, it
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 11: is a promo for the FBI. For sure. I wanted
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 11: to sign up. Let's just put it that way. It
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 11: was that well done. But now we see how the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 11: FBI knows every single school shooter or mass shooter, and
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 11: they were always on their radar list. What's not to
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 11: say that they didn't know about these people before they
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 11: were serial killing? Like it's just a trend. It's like
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 11: we've now moved on from the serial killing and we
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 11: are now embracing the mass shooter you know era of
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 11: the FBI, or at least.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: Right because it feels like just when one thing is ending,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: something else pops back up. So, for example, when the
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: Zodiac murders had quieted down and people were getting back
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: to normal, Ted Bundy got on a plane, flew to
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: San Francisco, where the Zodiac murders were occurring, did something
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: unknown there, flew back to Seattle, and then became Ted
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: Bundy and started fucking murdering bitches all up and down
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: the coast. So Zodiac ended, Ted Bundy started. There's a
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: lot of fucking shit I'll talk about in upcoming episodes
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: that's really fucking suspect about him even being a murderous killer.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: And you know, it's like it's really easy for them
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: to get us, through social media and Netflix documentaries and
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: true crime shows, to accept a specific narrative and just say, yep,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: that's the bad guy. We got him, he died, fucked him,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: and just be done with it, because nobody wants to
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: think the bad guy got away. Nobody wants to think, like, oh,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: the actual serial killers who were murdering all those bitches
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: is still out there. I don't want to think that.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: So they're happy to pin all this shit on one
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: character just to be done.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: With it, right, And you can see where it messes
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: up to like the Gilgo Beach murderers. Like clearly you
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 7: could really you know, capitalize off of the serial killer
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 7: who's dumping all these bodies in the beach. But then
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: once they realized, oh, this points directly back to the police,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 7: they had to kind of scale it back and make
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 7: everybody forget so you can see these patterns of you know,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: how they try to make these narratives, then the narrative
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 7: falls apart, and then everybody forgets about it, you know,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: mm hm.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: And you know, the whole introduction of the serial killer
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: went down in the nineteen sixties, in my opinion, the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: same time they started the counterculture movement, the same time
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: they started up all this Laurel Canyon shit with the
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: fucking you know, military kids becoming star musicians, and it's like,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: what a fucking time to be alive, Like in the
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: middle of the sixties when you're getting introduced to counterculture.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: Jim Morrison, fucking uh, if you can't love the one
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: you want, love the one you're with, don't take birth control,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: fucking grow your fucking armpit, hair out, and serial killers.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're in one breath telling women to become
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: liberated and do stuff on their own and like break
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: free and do all this, and at the same time
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: they got a guy murdering all the women who are
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: doing those things by design.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: I think it's so important to look at the Manson
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: family as being the sort of prototype of the serial
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 7: killer model that they used over and over again, because
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: you've got this guy who supposedly had a lot of charisma,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 7: who was clearly on the FBI or CIA radar. He
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 7: was working with a lot of these guys. I mean
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: that's something that Dave McGowan goes into detail and the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 7: weird scenes of the canyon, and he's just connected to
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: so many different people inside of the scene that it
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: once you put the pieces together, you can't unsee it.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 7: And you know, meanwhile, Charles Manson never killed anybody, you know, right,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 7: is the serial killer like model poster boy, And it's
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: almost like that actor thing, like he played the perfect
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 7: role for them to use as a springboard into all
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 7: these other areas.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Charles Manson is a character that he's playing.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, he was m k Oltred, he was you
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: know he Oh my god.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: And like.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: The new series that I'm working on called Blood Ties,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: I go into it in a little bit more detail
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: about Charles Manson. But I mean, I'm starting to think,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: in my personal fucking opinion, that Roman Polanski was probably
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: pulling the strings behind that whole shit. And he got
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: out of town so it couldn't look like him. Oh
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: I'm out of town. Shooting a movie while my pregnant
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: wife and all of our friends are getting massacred at
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: the house just so happened to be out of town.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: And like Rosemary's Baby shit there is. They found footage
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: of Roman inviting people over to the house to run
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: train on Sharon. They were filming like weird you know,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: pornographic shit at their house. They were doing wife swapping
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: and like weird rituals and shit at their house. And
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: so again, I think Charles Manson is a character that's
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: taking credit for a bunch of shit that people just
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: wanted swept under the rug.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 7: Directors. It's all about directing, and I think that's that's
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: where the crossover is because you see a lot of
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 7: it now. During the uh, the impeachment trial of Donald Trump,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 7: they brought in Hollywood direct to film this squad or
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 7: whatever they call themselves, the Special Prosecutors of J six,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: you know, And so they had to have this this
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 7: director come in and fit everything into the perfect little
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: package for all the normies to eat.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: Up, you know, mm hmmmm mm one hundred. I mean,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: I hope this gets people to want and to read
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: this book, because, like I said, there's so much in
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: it that if I sat here until fucking two in
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: the morning, we couldn't even get through the first couple
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: of chapters. But I mean, I feel like this is
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: a good taste test for the beginning of the book.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that was great. Did anybody want to
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: add anything?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: I think one thing that's not necessarily in The Program
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: to Kill a book that's come to light since McGowan
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 8: wrote the book, but kind of fits right in line
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 8: with what we're talking about here with the Satanism the
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 8: Program to Kill, you know, the.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: The Hand of Death.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 8: Bolt is a fellow by the name of Edward Wyn Edwards.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 8: He was formerly the in fact that the Zodiac Killer.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 8: He fits into that that conversation as well. So I
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 8: think a lot of these are all Satanic cult murders.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 8: Manson family included. Polanski was actually in Rome with the
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 8: Processed Church when his wife was getting murdered, and they
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: had all sorts of Processed Church connections along with Manson
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 8: there too. So I think a lot of these Satanic
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 8: cults largely wrapped up within this process umbrella, you know,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: function around all these murders. Edward went Edwards though, so
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 8: the Zodiac Killer was one of the surviving one of
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 8: the surviving males in the one of his attacks. You know,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 8: I think I think it was actually a team of killers,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 8: part of a satanic cult. They're operating in around the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: presidio where Michael Aikino was. But Edward Wyn Edwards, the
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 8: guy in the hood at Lake Briessa. All the details
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: that killer gave to the victims. The male surviving victim
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: who was an attorney, has been an attorney ever since then.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: He was in law school. All the details given to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: that guy are all details of Edward Winn. Edward's life.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 8: He escaped to State prisid in Montana, he murdered a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 8: prison guard, he fled to Mexico. You know, these were
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: all things that made him the number one person on
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 8: the FBI's most wanted list in nineteen sixty one.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: He just happened to do all those things ten years
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: prior to.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 8: The Zodiac when the Zodiac described as activities, that was
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 8: nineteen sixty nine.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: Edwards did all that nineteen fifty nine.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: So Edward Win Edwards also at the same time Henry
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: Lee Lucas is dancing around the US claimed to murder
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: all these folks. Edward Winn Edwards is making parole for
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: an insurance for Audrey burnt down a house in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think he's one of the fuck
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: in this core of folks.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, fuck that guy. I do think it
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: could be a team though. For the Zodiac murders, I do.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: I think it could have been a team.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: Ritchie Tennant bops.
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  Speaker 8: That's all like that comment now And yeah, So Edward
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 8: win Ewards was directly connected to the Atlanta child killings.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: For example, he infiltrated.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about that in an upcoming episode
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: with you guys see Atlanta Child Murders. I'm going to
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: Podcast MS an interesting topic.
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  Speaker 8: But he's documented as infiltrating that task force. He was
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 8: not a cop, he was not anything. He was a
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 8: high school dropout. He joined the RNs at sixteen and
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 8: got thrown out because he faked a birth certificate. So
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 8: the guy was never He had no qualifications at all
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: remotely even to be there. Somehow he infiltrated the Atlanta
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 8: Shy Killings Police Force or the task Force Rial Marietta
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 8: Police Department sargeant's uniform. The uniform was found in the
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 8: home that he burned down in Pennsylvania that he was
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: doing time for, when all of a sudden he's getting
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: out and Henry Lee Lucas has taken a hit for.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 8: I think a lot of the murders that Edward Way
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 8: Edwards was responsible for ordering in participating in.
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  Speaker 5: Oh shit, that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 7: And I really can't be downplayed how integral the military
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: is and all of this, because this is where you
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: can filter out and find the most psychopathic people who
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: joined the military to get away with murder. So when
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: I was in that there were several people in my
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 7: unit that really wanted to go to war because they
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: wanted to get away with murder. And if you're profiling
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: on that level, you're going to find a bunch of
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: them who then can be used as a state side
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: kind of a psychopath that they can you know, use
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: as these serial killers or they're the hit squad working
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 7: in the background of these serial killers so that they
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: can take out the targets that they want to take out.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmmm hmm.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: They like mental institutions as well. They do a lot
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: of poaching from there too, Like prisons, military mental institutions,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: those are there frequented hot spots for these.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: Assholes, especially experiments on people?
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm yeah, like American Horror Story Asylum but like
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: on steroids. Should you guys watch that season?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: You did?
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: You know the German guy that does all experiments on
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: him in the basement and ship? Yeah, yeah, that was
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: a weird real season for dude. It gives it gives
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: me the fucking he be. GB's just talking about it, like,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: out of all the seasons, that one just stuck with me.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: It's really fucking disturbing.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 9: But I mean, I think.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: Anyone can agree the last place on Earth you'd ever
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: want to end up, Like, I'd rather get hit by
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: truck before somebody admitted me into a mental institution, like
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: straight up, like girl interrupted fucked that ship and.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: That was like a religious place too, so that makes
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: it even worse, right, right, all right? Uh, everybody's good?
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: Oh good?
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 7: That there the M K and M culture. Isn't that
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 7: a German word? So it really does go back to
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 7: a lot of this Operation paper Clip, where they brought
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 7: these Nazi scientists who were doing this work back to
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: the United States and started using go ahead.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: Oh Lisa, were you gonna say some no, no, no,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: keep going headless.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 11: It was just something that triggered me about some conversation
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 11: Nick and I had about them WO, the O assassin CIA.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: That's all?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, well go ahead Germany.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: Oh do you know what the words are?
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 7: I'm looking it up right now.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Say some of us should have known that, one of
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: us at least.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like conspiracy. I lose fucking stars right
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: now for not knowing.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: I like Krystle's over the Secret sun Logs interpretation of
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: m K being magic.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: Oh is that what he said?
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: So?
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Just an abbreviation from the word magic.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 6: O are.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: That's interesting?
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 11: Interesting?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 6: I like that one. That's good.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: He's done a job doctor around. I don't want to
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: misquote it, but he makes a good argument for it.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: Oh what our argument for what? Oh? The magic?
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah? The MK is really just abbreviations from magic.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: Well, uh, Lisa, tell me about this OSS thing because
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: I might have something to add on to that real
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: quick before we before we.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 11: Go, So we Nick and I were discussing because you
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 11: had made mention about I remember which show, which episode
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 11: you had, but you you basically had said how I
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 11: thought you put it brilliantly that people like to think
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 11: that serial killer or any kind of these ritualistic abuses
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 11: or anything like that. They're like, oh, it's the government. No,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 11: it's satanic, and it's oh it's one and the same. Right,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 11: So Nick and I were talking about that. I don't
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 11: know if Nick, you want to interject or anything about that.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of them kind of use
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: the same technique. Like I do think like these especially
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: the CIA, are intelligence agencies. I think they look from
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: occultists or they use, my opinion, like kind of stuff
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: with like what we're covering tonight. I would say, like
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: kind of using magical techniques forcing them on people could
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: technically be am akay ultra in my opinion, Well that
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: could help like fracture somebody's mind, you know, if they
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: don't know what's going on and you're kind of forcing
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: it upon them. So I do think like sometimes there
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: are one of the same and they go hand in hand.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: I do think the CIA is heavily interested in the
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: occult and they're interested in occultists.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: Well, I actually just said that the other day, and
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: I promise I'm not stealing this from Nick, but I
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: went on the cult of conspiracy to kind of wrap
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 5: up this top. And I said, people get confused because
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 5: they say, is it the government or is it Satanists
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 5: or And I'm like, you're already you're already lost by
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 5: asking that question, because the government and Satanists are one
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: and the same thing. I mean, it's like you don't
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 5: have to separate that shit out. You can't say, oh, well,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 5: this is governmental and this is satanic. Now that shit
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: is pretty much like two wings of the same diseased bird.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 11: For and all of the episodes that we're going through,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 11: I mean, we're seeing that the OSS has Nazi ties
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 11: and if you look back at the Nazi Party, where
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 11: are their origins? OSS? Backtrack to Nazi backtracked to what
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 11: the occult? The occult is the premise of the entire
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 11: Nazi philosophy. And so you look at OSS and then
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 11: up until nineteen forty seven, what happens to the OSS
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 11: It morphs into the CIA, Right, I mean, I don't
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 11: know if I'm saying that correctly, JJ, but you know,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 11: you have all these intelligence agencies just basically repackaged, rebranding,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 11: and now we're you know, wearing new suits, We're wearing
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 11: new Yeah. But it's still the same philosophy, it's still
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 11: the same practice, it's still the same memo. And so
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 11: to you know, to your point, it proves it right there.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 11: This is the this is the actual pedigree.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: Really well, and you know the OSS is just like
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: you said, the precursor for the CIA. But fun fact
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: of the day, do you know who Jackson Brown is?
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: He's big in the Yeah, Jackson Brown, who's big and
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 5: kind of like the Laurel Kenyan era. His dad was OSS.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: So I mean, like, you're not gonna you're not gonna
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: get away from any of these counterculture like these major
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: artists having some type of military connections or somewhere and
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: ship like that.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: Julia Child is always.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: What are you making a joke?
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: Ye? Oh my god. Hey, you know the guy that
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: hosted the Gong shows he said he was a CIA
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: operative and that he killed thirty three people and that. Yeah,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 5: and he said he hosted the Gong Show as his
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 5: side job. I just learned about this, So, I mean, dude,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: and I think a lot of these celebs, by the
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: way that get murdered or they commit suicide, I don't
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: think they're actually dead, most of them. And they go
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: on there they killed a character off, right, and the
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: actual person goes on to do something else. Elvis, Michael Jackson,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: fucking h Robin Williams, like a lot of these. They
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: kill Jim Morrison, Yes, I believe that one for sure.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: A lot of people say Jimmy Hendrix as well. They
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: kill right, they kill off their main character and then
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: they just go on to either A play another character
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: or b they just live out the rest of their
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: life totally anonymous.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 6: So Bill Hicks Alex Jones, you cannot convince me that
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 6: that is not Alex Jones.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 5: Where the god?
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 9: Oh my god, come on, girl, I agree with you.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: That one seems pretty uh, pretty on point with that one.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 8: The details between the two guys, I mean, the mere
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 8: fact Alex Jones accepts comedy awards and Bill Hicks's name
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 8: should be enough evidence.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 6: What's that about?
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on video doing it. He's on video accepting
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: a warden Bill Hick's name.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 6: How does that make it?
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 5: Oh my god? Well, I mean, hey, I'm definitely not
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 5: going to put it outside the roma possibility because I'm
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: the one who thinks this grand theory about people playing
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 5: characters is sucking true. But it's an example, maybe yeah,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: it's easy.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: I love I love Jim Morrison's Rush Limball though he
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: was great.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, I heard that one just recently.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: They have so many similarities, even down to the gold microphone.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: I heard that one. That's a good one.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 11: Oh my god.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 8: Fad Jim Morrison looks identical to Russian Lamball, one of
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 8: the last known fellows of Morrison before he died, identical
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 8: to a young Limball, and Limball is deeply connected to
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 8: Spook xav.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: He's for generations.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: I was just talking to my boyfriend Kolby about this
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 5: the other day, and we were talking about, you know,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: the Val Kilmer movie where he plays Jim Morrison. All right, yeah, yeah,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: the Doors. Okay, so he looked exactly like him, performed
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: exactly like him, sounded exactly like him, and it was amazing. Right,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 5: But wouldn't it be a cooler movie if somebody took
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: the actual story of Jim Morrison and made a fucking
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 5: movie about it. Like your dad is fucking high level military,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 5: fucking tnking golf shit, Vietnam War is all your fault,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: and you become like this superstar, fucking Jim Morrison, fucking
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 5: light my fire bullshit and then you fake your own
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: death and then you become resal in bah and liked.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a fucking movie right there. The val
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 5: Kilmer one was cool, but somebody fucking make that a
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: movie because that's the what did they say, like, reality
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: is stranger than fiction?
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, we would be a better tea for sure.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 4: I love more entertaining interesting, I'm sure. All right, I
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: guess we'll wrap it up now, right, everybody's good, all right,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much again, Julia for coming on. There
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff that was really fun and interesting.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: Please let everybody know where they can find your stuff
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: one more time.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Thanks. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts. It's available wherever
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: you listen to podcasts. If you want ad free exclusive stuff,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: you can go on Patreon and look for Cosmic Peach.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: I'm actually working on a new series. I'll give you
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: like a little teaser for it. But I watched this
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 5: show called The Dark Side of the Nineties and it
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 5: was just like this a Hulu thing. It was like
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 5: kind of retarded but kind of interesting at the same time.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 5: And they were talking about the dark side of the
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 5: nineties and like the darkest they went was like somebody
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: killed somebody else over a beanie baby, and I was like,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: this is not the dark side of the nineties. Can
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 5: we talk about like Courtney Kurt Cobain and like all
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: this great ohj and fucking like, that's the dark side
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 5: of the nineties. So I got like a little project
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 5: bruin with that, and I think some of you might
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: be nineties babies, but I think it's all super nostalgic
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 5: and it's interesting and fun to talk about anyways. But
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: there's like Heaven's Gate cult and like all kinds of
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: shit that broke clues in the nineties. So yeah, so
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 5: you can look forward to that eventually. I'm going to
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 5: try to have it done by February.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 7: Well sounds good.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Thank you very much. I'm pretty sure.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: I'm almost positive your stuff is already in the bottom
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 4: of my show notes on my end. Yeah, so if
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: anybody wants to go check your stuff out, it's there now.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: Thank you all again for jumping on the show. Thank
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: you Lisa, thank you Headless, thank you JJ, thank you Teresa,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 4: thank you Mike, and thank you everybody who jumped in
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: on the chat.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: That's what's up.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 4: They had a bunch of people here and just nice
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: seeing some new names from I guess JJ side Headless.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you all, and that's the end of another Occult
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: Rejects until the next one. Everybody be well, La