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"New York Times Acknowledges School Choice" (Wednesday December 17 2025, Hour 4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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Speaker 3: to get worse and worse and worse. So when The
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Speaker 3: New York Times, of all places, actually says school choice
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Speaker 3: might be the answer, it's notable to me. And we're
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Speaker 3: going on thirty five years since I've lived there, and
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Speaker 3: best friend in the world who's nearby. But you have
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Speaker 3: to have a sad because these are the things that
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Speaker 3: become who you are. And if you live online, Bob,
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Speaker 3: to go. Anyway, I wanted to get into this before
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Speaker 3: we ran out of day Today. Colleen Rancic is a
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Speaker 3: Educational Freedom. Colleen, thank you for joining us. She's the
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Speaker 3: one who brought it to my attention that the New
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Speaker 3: York Times, of all people, is out there saying that
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Speaker 3: school choice might be an answer to our problems, Colleen,
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Speaker 3: are these heady days? I mean, what happened to the
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Speaker 3: New York Times? Is this the sign of things to come?
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Speaker 20: Sort of?
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Speaker 21: They definitely had a little bit about that. It kind
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Speaker 21: of they alluded to it. I'm not sure if they
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Speaker 21: were quite in favor of it, but they they.
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Speaker 20: Brought it up, and as you know, it was almost
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Speaker 20: like they were acknowledging the need for it, but they
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Speaker 20: just couldn't quite get there.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm sure the teacher union money still
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Speaker 3: buys a lot of advertising, if anyone buys advertising in
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Speaker 3: the newspaper anymore. But to even acknowledge that it exists,
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Speaker 3: I'll bet you there are readers of the New York
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Speaker 3: Times that you saw the phrase school choice for the
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Speaker 3: first time in their lives in that newspaper because it
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Speaker 3: to call it, the paper of record.
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Speaker 21: Right, it's definitely not something that their audience probably thinks
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Speaker 21: favorably about at the very least, if they've thought about
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Speaker 21: it at all.
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Speaker 3: Is it a sign that the you know, as slowly
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Speaker 3: as it has been, the needle is moving regarding school
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Speaker 3: choice in the United States?
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Speaker 21: I definitely think it is because even I talked to
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Speaker 3: Colleen, we are coming up on our news here, but
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Speaker 3: I want to follow up on that that the teachers
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Speaker 3: are catching up because I've always maintained that the teachers
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Speaker 3: were going to be key to bringing real change to
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Speaker 3: We'll be right back, Colleen, hanging on. Let's see if.
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28:48
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Speaker 3: It's like the things that trigger people. Which person that
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30:02
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Speaker 3: Back to Colleen Ie, Colleen Raanciic from Cato. We were
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Speaker 3: talking about teachers and school choice and the fact that
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Speaker 3: Do you agree.
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Speaker 21: I suppose public schools themselves maybe are the contrary to
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Speaker 21: that take, because they moved pretty fast when it happened
31:01
Speaker 21: and they've stuck around for quite a while. But I
31:04
Speaker 21: think that because people are so wett into it. You know,
31:07
Speaker 21: we all grew up in the same system, and so
31:09
Speaker 21: I do think that's part of the reason that it
31:11
Speaker 21: takes people longer maybe to.
31:14
Speaker 20: See the benefits of having options.
31:16
Speaker 21: You know, it's just sort of part of the Americana
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Speaker 21: psyche these days is the neighborhood public school. But neighborhood
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Speaker 21: a very large school where kids from like you know,
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Speaker 21: you know, thousands of kids are coming together every day,
31:32
Speaker 21: So it's not really that same sort of thing. And interestingly,
31:35
Speaker 21: the kind of a micro school, hybrid school, all of
31:38
Speaker 21: these little innovative schools is much more like what we
31:41
Speaker 21: think of as you know, that neighborhood school and a
31:44
Speaker 21: lot of cases. So I do think it's just one
31:46
Speaker 21: of those things that as people get more exposure to it,
31:49
Speaker 21: it is changing. And hopefully that does mean, like you
31:52
Speaker 21: say that it will be a long lasting change, and
31:55
Speaker 21: I think it will, just because who gives up choice?
31:57
Speaker 21: If you have access to different options as uge options
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Speaker 21: for your kids and you see how well it's working,
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Speaker 21: you're not giving that up without a fight at.
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Speaker 3: Least well, and you get very frustrated with the lack
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Speaker 3: of choice when it does come around. If you've given
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Speaker 3: choice in other areas, you're like, well, why can't I
32:13
Speaker 3: have choice in this The article.
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Speaker 21: Well, and parents, is say, and parents like I live
32:20
Speaker 21: in Pennsylvania, we don't have a lot of choice. The
32:22
Speaker 21: number of times that I talk to just random parents
32:24
Speaker 21: who aren't involved in any of this stuff, and they
32:27
Speaker 21: tell me, Oh, I have a family in Florida, I
32:29
Speaker 21: have friends in Arizona. They have these amazing scholarship programs.
32:32
Speaker 21: Why don't we have something like this? So word spreading
32:35
Speaker 21: that way too, And parents in these other states are
32:38
Speaker 21: They're seeing what they're missing out on, and I think
32:40
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32:43
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Speaker 3: I want to stick a pin in the difference between,
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Speaker 3: I want to get into one of the premises of
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Speaker 3: chic And am I saying that correct? Colleen?
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Speaker 20: That's good enough for me.
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Speaker 3: Okay, No, it's phonetic as far as I say, raunchic U,
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Speaker 3: and I appreciate you taking your time with Cato Institute
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Speaker 3: Center for Educational Freedom. And the premise of the article
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Speaker 3: really is a lot about adhd h and attention issues
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Speaker 3: in the classroom. And I guess that's their leap of
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Speaker 3: I was in New York it was forty kids. I
33:36
Speaker 3: presume it's smaller now. But you know, one kid with
33:41
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33:44
Speaker 3: for a centralized classroom system, isn't it.
33:49
Speaker 21: Well it is, but not just that. But why are
33:51
Speaker 21: these kids having these attention problems. It's because we're sticking
33:54
Speaker 21: them in a classroom where kids have a wide variety
33:57
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Speaker 21: bored and so they're not paying attention. They're going to
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34:09
Speaker 21: they don't know what's going on, and so they're going
34:10
Speaker 21: to act up. And I was just talking to the
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Speaker 21: leader of a micro school. She was a longtime public
34:15
Speaker 21: school teacher. She left and created a homeschool hybrid you know,
34:19
Speaker 21: where it's some days a week in person.
34:21
Speaker 20: She's starting a full time option. This is in Tennessee.
34:24
Speaker 21: And she said, I don't have these issues anymore because
34:27
Speaker 21: now she's able to teach kids where they are, So
34:30
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34:33
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34:36
Speaker 21: kid that's further behind, she can pull that child out
34:39
Speaker 21: and work one on one with him or her. So
34:41
Speaker 21: they just they're not in that situation anymore where they're
34:44
Speaker 21: bored because they are advanced beyond what the whole classman
34:48
Speaker 21: is doing, or they're left behind because.
34:50
Speaker 20: They can't keep up.
34:52
Speaker 21: And it's just completely transformed her class and experience. And
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Speaker 21: even though she's not even taking a salary yet from
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Speaker 21: her school that she started, the teachers that she's hired
35:03
Speaker 21: are being paid less than they were in their public schools,
35:06
Speaker 21: but they're all happier, she said, one hundred and happier
35:09
Speaker 21: that I wouldn't trade it for the world. So it's
35:11
Speaker 21: not the unions want us to think it's all about
35:13
Speaker 21: the money and we just don't pay pages enough. But
35:15
Speaker 21: that's really if you talk to teachers, that's not usually
35:17
Speaker 21: their complaint. Usually their complaint is the bureaucracy, the lack
35:21
Speaker 21: of autonomy and flexibility that they are in these classrooms
35:25
Speaker 21: with these regulations that don't meet what the kids need,
35:28
Speaker 21: and they're kind of stuck with it. This lady she
35:30
Speaker 21: was teaching second grade and had to do seventeen days
35:33
Speaker 21: of standardized tests right before Christmas one year second graders.
35:37
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, second graders, and we wonder, you know.
35:42
Speaker 3: And that's interesting the teachers aspect of it, because in
35:45
Speaker 3: all the years I've been working in the field, you know,
35:48
Speaker 3: and talking with folks and trying to promote the idea
35:50
Speaker 3: of school choice, It's always struck me that teachers that
35:54
Speaker 3: I knew generally complained about working conditions and salaries and
35:59
Speaker 3: things like that. And they said, well, what's your union
36:01
Speaker 3: doing about it?
36:02
Speaker 2: Now?
36:03
Speaker 3: It's just and and they shrug, and I said, you know,
36:06
Speaker 3: let's get out of this. Are more teachers, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: taking the plunge this is the right way to say it, Colleen,
36:16
Speaker 3: and and realizing that they've been kept from really fulfilling
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Speaker 3: what their calling was, which is to, you know, help
36:24
Speaker 3: kids figure out how to get along in the world.
36:27
Speaker 3: I don't know anyone who doesn't teach that didn't get
36:30
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36:33
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36:37
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36:41
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Speaker 21: I think that's happening slowly, you know, step by step.
36:49
Speaker 21: But from Esmas, I've heard some seventy five percent maybe
36:53
Speaker 21: of micro schools are founded by former public school teachers.
36:56
Speaker 20: So it's you know, it's it's slow going, but I
37:00
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37:01
Speaker 21: And then they talk to each other and they talk
37:03
Speaker 21: to their friends, and one leeds the school and the
37:05
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37:09
Speaker 20: Know, that kind of spreads it.
37:10
Speaker 21: So the woman I was talking to Tennessee today, she
37:12
Speaker 21: had a former colleague reach out to her recently who
37:15
Speaker 21: wants to start the same sort of thing in a town,
37:17
Speaker 21: you know, twenty minutes from her. And this woman's like, yeah, absolutely,
37:21
Speaker 21: go for it, and I'll help you, and you know,
37:23
Speaker 21: it can be part of my group, but its own
37:25
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37:28
Speaker 21: collaborative movement, and it's just you know, I think once
37:32
Speaker 21: public school teachers kind of dip their toe in the water,
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Speaker 21: they do, they're just much happier. All the ones that
37:38
Speaker 21: I've talked to, there's only one that I've talked to
37:40
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37:44
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37:46
Speaker 21: it was a financial thing where she wasn't because she
37:48
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37:51
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37:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that, Colleen. Thank you so much, Cato Doodle.
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Speaker 2: First Thing today on the Talk Media Network by Joe Thomas,
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Speaker 2: the second most famous Thomas and Charlottesville.
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Speaker 1: But you also had people that were very five people
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Speaker 1: on both sides.
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Speaker 3: So I was asked why I'm why am I using
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Speaker 3: that clip? So because almost from the drop, almost from
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Speaker 3: the drop of the green flag and the Trump era
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Speaker 3: of American governance, have we been subjected to interpretations, excerptations.
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Speaker 3: Why they even started to invent dog whistles, So when
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Speaker 3: President Trump didn't actually say something, they could just say
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Speaker 3: he said it anyway because as a dog was So
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Speaker 3: when many of you write in saying, well, Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: has pushed it too far with this social media post
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Speaker 3: about Rob Reiner and Trump derangement syndrome, A couple of
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Speaker 3: people liked my point about Trump derangement derangement syndrome that
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Speaker 3: I think may infect the president because it does have impact.
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Speaker 3: People who support the president were like, yeah, is it?
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Speaker 3: But you don't know all the details and like a slogan,
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Speaker 3: like a hashtag, there's much more nuance there. But twenty
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Speaker 3: four hours ago, it seemed much less likely that maybe
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump knew something about the murder of Rob and
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Speaker 3: Michelle Reiner at the hands of their son, Nick, who
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Speaker 3: has now been charged yesterday in the murders, apparently in
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Speaker 3: their bed while they slept. I mean, there's small miracle.
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Speaker 3: If there's if there's some grace for what happened to them,
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Speaker 3: it's the fact that they were most likely unaware of
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Speaker 3: it even happening, if at all. But as more comes
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Speaker 3: out about this, because it's Hollywood, because this is like
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Speaker 3: the OJ situation was buttoned up tight compared to this.
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Speaker 3: This is Hollywood. And people who were at this party
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Speaker 3: that was being held by Conan O'Brien, and I said
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Speaker 3: this earlier. Conan Conan O'Brien was holding a party under
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Speaker 3: the premise of forgetting what a bad year it was.
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Speaker 3: This is a year in which he won the most
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Speaker 3: pre eminent award given to a comic ever, the Mark
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Speaker 3: Twain Award. It's like the the Nobel Peace Prize, conan
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Speaker 3: of prizes for comedians, saying and this was a bad
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Speaker 3: year for you. So the theme of the party must
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Speaker 3: have been Trump sucks anyway, and a fight over what
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Speaker 3: we don't know broke out between Rob and Nick Reiner.
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Speaker 3: This is multiple sources of people who were at the party,
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Speaker 3: and because they're in Hollywood, their business is to get
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Speaker 3: them mentioned in the newspapers. We're not going to bother
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Speaker 3: and all that because the natilists will get But people
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Speaker 3: are all calling Variety and all these magazines to say, well,
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Speaker 3: I was there and oh they had a big fight.
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Speaker 3: And so there's some there there to the fact that
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Speaker 3: Rob and Nick Reiner were fighting about something. The presumption
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Speaker 3: is its drug use. It's been in rehab multiple times.
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Speaker 3: Once you've been into rehab fourteen fifteen times, you're almost
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Speaker 3: becoming a caricature of Hollywood. But there's certainly scholarly evidence
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Speaker 3: that could lead you to believe that it was about
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Speaker 3: Nick's struggles with sticking with programs after he gets out.
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Speaker 3: We talked about this a little bit here yesterday that
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Speaker 3: what you really need as a family to kind of
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Speaker 3: continue the immersive recovery if you're going to try to
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Speaker 3: battle those demons. But maybe they were fighting over Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump or the theme of Conan's party. I'm just saying
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Speaker 3: that twenty four hours ago it seemed less likely that
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was right than it does today, where just
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Speaker 3: like that clip from twenty seventeen, I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: sit out here and say, nah, it never happened too
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Speaker 3: frequently in the sixteen years he's lived in the political zeitgeist.
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Speaker 3: Has Donald Trump actually been right when he said something
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Speaker 3: just like he did back in August twelfth of twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 3: in a phrase that many people are like, Oh, no, there,
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Speaker 3: weren't you saying Nazis were greatest? And no, I'm saying
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Speaker 3: my listeners who were there because they were catfished into
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Speaker 3: believing it was a free speech rally by David Duke
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Speaker 3: and the rest of his Knights in White Satin were
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Speaker 3: fine people. And Hawk Newsome, who came to my defense
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Speaker 3: while he was there with his Black Lives Matter contingent
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Speaker 3: because he knew me was a fine person. He's gotten
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Speaker 3: his never Trump thing on now because everyone's got to
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Speaker 3: perform their roles to get paid, I guess. But whether
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Speaker 3: it's things he's actually said or excerpts of things he said,
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Speaker 3: you've got to You've got to take to the point
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Speaker 3: where Donald Trump could say absolutely nothing at all and
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Speaker 3: somebody in the press would have a comment about his
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Speaker 3: lack of a statement. When Donald Trump was missing for
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Speaker 3: that week and they shows up in Bedminster for the Gods,
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the story went from Trump's doing
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Speaker 3: too much to Where's Trump? Is Trump dead? You can't
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Speaker 3: you can't win. So I don't think Donald Trump tries anymore.
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Speaker 3: He says what he thinks based on the available evidence.
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Speaker 3: And I have to think whether Dan Bongino is still
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Speaker 3: in the FB high or not that he has access
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Speaker 3: to better intel than the rest of us. So maybe
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Speaker 3: it was a fight over the theme of the party.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Nick was all there for the bat Trump bashing
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Speaker 3: and Rob. Maybe it was over the marijuana declassification. We've
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Speaker 3: had some very very ardent conversations about President Trump's ideas
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Speaker 3: about declassifying marijuana. Maybe that triggered it, given that Nick's
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Speaker 3: issues with substance abuse. But just like I had a
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Speaker 3: young lady at this event we were at last night
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Speaker 3: and get up and start asking a fellow who has
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Speaker 3: done incredible medical work in the United Arab Emirates. She
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Speaker 3: got up and said, well, don't you think that this
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Speaker 3: country's fixation with Israel is And of course I stopped
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Speaker 3: listening at that point because it was going to be
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Speaker 3: you know, Hamas is a marginalized community, et cetera, et cetera,
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Speaker 3: et cetera, And yes, there are you know, there are
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Speaker 3: people out there who believe these things, and that's why
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Speaker 3: the media goes out and portrays them the way they do.
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Speaker 3: So we just try to lay it out for its realities.
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Speaker 3: I don't care who you vote for. I care that
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Speaker 3: all the folks who went to one and have told
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Speaker 3: me how great it was. Really it's an honor for
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Speaker 3: so long, and thanks for all the fish.
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