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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Yes, indeed,
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Speaker 1: I'm here. I did not skip bail. No, you didn't, Chuck,
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Speaker 1: And if you had, something would have happened to you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: maybe a bounty hunter would have come after you. Part two, Josh,
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Speaker 1: our first ever. Well, I'm not true, but this is
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Speaker 1: a two part sweet Yeah, it's definitely not our first ever.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Steve reader, Steve who sent in the suggestion. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and again, it was an MPR three part series on
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Speaker 1: bail in the United States that kind of kicked this
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Speaker 1: thing off. It's like I said, it's worth reading. Go
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Speaker 1: to MPR dot org and you can check it out.
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Speaker 1: I think you'd probably just type bail in their handy
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Speaker 1: search bar. Yeah. Um, but yeah. We we asked the
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Speaker 1: question at the end of the last podcast that came
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Speaker 1: out on Tuesday. Here it is Thursday. The question was
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Speaker 1: what happens when you skip bail? And, as we've just established,
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Speaker 1: you get a bounty hunter sicked on your Yes, in
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Speaker 1: many cases that is exactly what will happen, is a
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Speaker 1: bondsman will hire what they like to be referred to
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Speaker 1: as a bail enforcement agent. But of course we like
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Speaker 1: to call them bounty hunters because it's just a cooler name.
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Speaker 1: It is a way cooler name, and it's a name
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Speaker 1: that goes back, um several centuries, right at least one
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Speaker 1: or two. Well, sure, are you talking about the Old West? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they had when the whole thing started was when um,
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Speaker 1: I believe in eighteen seventy three a Supreme Court case
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Speaker 1: Kramer versus Kramer, now Taylor versus Tainter, Taylor versus Tainter.
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Speaker 1: This case gave bounty hunters authority to act as agents
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Speaker 1: for bail bondsman and then starting then, and even if
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a bail bondsman, that would be the wanted
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Speaker 1: poster in the Old West, like bringing back dead or alive.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's just a bounty on someone's head, right,
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Speaker 1: because he brings me back dead, that's not gonna do
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Speaker 1: much good in court. It's dead is easier transporting. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: But that's the way it started. And I believe what
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Speaker 1: was Jesse James was worth five grand at his peak. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: did you go onto the currency converter? Yeah, I would
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Speaker 1: have thought more. Uh yeah, but the bill was different then,
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Speaker 1: like now, he would probably be like ten million. Oh sure,
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Speaker 1: Actually he's worth about a hundred million and adrennine dollars. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We're basing that on an article by Stephanie Watson who
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Speaker 1: talked to a very legendary um bounty hunter by the
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Speaker 1: name of Bob Burton. Right. Yeah, you saw the picture
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Speaker 1: of him, right, I didn't. He looks like a total
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Speaker 1: bad dude, carrying the shotgun and the cowboy hat. He Uh.
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Speaker 1: He has awesome quotes and I just wish we had
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Speaker 1: Sam Elliott in the studio to read them. That would
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Speaker 1: be pretty cool. Yeah. Bob Burton, Uh. And I believe
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Speaker 1: two thousand seven, yes, two thousand seven made uh twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand arrests. Yeah, he and his his agents and he's
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Speaker 1: personally made many, many thousand over the last twenty five
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Speaker 1: years that he's been in business. Yeah. He's director of
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Speaker 1: the National Enforcement Agency. Yeah. I guess that's just the
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Speaker 1: name of his company, right. Yeah, So we'll be leaning
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Speaker 1: on him a little bit for some pointers about bounty hunting, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: can we go ahead and issue the first quote? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: God if she had Sam Elliott. As bounty hunters were
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Speaker 1: driving around bad neighborhoods, talking to stupid people, drinking cold
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Speaker 1: coffee and looking for bad guys, and they talk about
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Speaker 1: the glory of it all. For every buck we make
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Speaker 1: arresting someone, we make a thousand and adrennal dollars. So
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Speaker 1: he's talking about just the rush of it all. Sure,
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Speaker 1: you run up on a bad guy and you've got
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Speaker 1: your gun in his mouth and you're saying like, try something,
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Speaker 1: try something, and you're pumping buddy. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So Jesse James would be worth about a hundred million
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Speaker 1: and adrenale or of that is what the bounty hunter
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Speaker 1: would earn. Right, Sure is the cat out of the bag.
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Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to announce. No, yeah, I know that's good.
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Speaker 1: Um yeah yeah. They usually get I think ten of
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Speaker 1: the total amount of bail, right, yeah, so they will
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Speaker 1: get this from the bail bondsman. So the bail bondsman
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Speaker 1: obviously doesn't have to pay or not pay the huge amount.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, let's recap real quick. When you go to jail,
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Speaker 1: if you contract the services of a bail bondsman. The
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Speaker 1: bail you pay them a ten percent premium, and the
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Speaker 1: bail bondsman tells the court I got this guy. Technically,
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Speaker 1: this person is in my custody and I will see
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Speaker 1: to it that he or she makes it to the
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Speaker 1: court appearance, right. Uh. And in the meantime, you're out free.
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Speaker 1: And if you skip, then that means supposedly that the
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Speaker 1: bail bondsman is on the hook for you, uh to
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Speaker 1: pay your entire bail. So that you gave the bail
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Speaker 1: bondsman a ten percent premium, say it was five thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: they're on the hook to pay the fifty dollars. Right.
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Speaker 1: If they are in a count only or a state
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Speaker 1: where they're not um, where they don't have the local
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Speaker 1: um court system and the local commissioners in their back pocket,
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Speaker 1: then they might actually have to pay that bail, And
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Speaker 1: so they send a bounty hunter after you. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: the bounty hunter works for the bail bondsman. Rarely are
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Speaker 1: they one and the same. Yeah, two different professions. Chuck.
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Speaker 1: You said, um, back in the wild West that there
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Speaker 1: used to be wanted posters that say dead or alive. Right, Um,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty infrequent these days. Yeah, the dead part, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because you want to obviously collect your money, and you cannot,
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Speaker 1: as a bounty hunter bring in a dead suspect because
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Speaker 1: that doesn't know one any good, You don't get any payment,
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Speaker 1: and you cannot even uh do the old rough them up? No,
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Speaker 1: because you can bring a roughed up fugitive to the
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Speaker 1: jail all day long and they're gonna say we're not
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Speaker 1: taking them because the fugitive could say, oh, actually it
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Speaker 1: was the county that did this to me, because they
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Speaker 1: have deeper pockets than the bill or the bounty hunter
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Speaker 1: who did right. So yeah, so you the idea is
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Speaker 1: to bring them in as gently as possible without excessive force.
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Speaker 1: And I think they said only three to four percent
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Speaker 1: of the suspects even put up a fight, and usually
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Speaker 1: that's just I'll try to run or I'll swarm around.
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Speaker 1: It's not truly like some big violent confrontation. That was
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Speaker 1: a Bob Burton's estimate. Okay, yeah, but I imagine that's
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Speaker 1: probably pretty pretty uh exemplary of the rest of the field,
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Speaker 1: right Yeah. And he also Bob pointed out that an
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Speaker 1: experience bounty hunter can make fifty eight and probably up
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Speaker 1: to a hundred grand a year, provided they don't have
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Speaker 1: like a TV show or a book deal, which we'll
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Speaker 1: get to in a moment as well. We said in
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Speaker 1: the last podcast that when you sign a bail bond contract,
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Speaker 1: you are signing a document that is unlike any other
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Speaker 1: you're going to ever sign for the rest of your life. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that you were waving some serious, serious
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Speaker 1: constitutional rights. For one, you are giving um, the bounty
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Speaker 1: hunter more jurisdiction over capturing you than any police agency. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You're basically giving them permission to come after you and
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Speaker 1: use almost any kind of means necessary to come and
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Speaker 1: get you. Right, you're waiving any right to extraditions within
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Speaker 1: the United States. Um, and uh, you're also saying that,
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Speaker 1: you know what, you don't have to read me my
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Speaker 1: Miranda rights. Yeah. And if you know where I live,
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Speaker 1: you can come into my house to try to arrest
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Speaker 1: me as long as you're sure that it's my house.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. This is amazing that bail I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: bounty hunters actually have way way more leeway than cops do.
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Speaker 1: They don't have to have warrants. They can just bust
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Speaker 1: into your house. They can go through your mail, go
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Speaker 1: through your trash. Obviously they can tip off, go behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes and do some more unscrupulous things. As long
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Speaker 1: as no one knows about it, then it's all well
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Speaker 1: and good. Yeah. Burton mentioned that he'll he'll tip anywhere
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Speaker 1: from fifty to bucks for like a motel clark or
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Speaker 1: bartender or a bouncer to give him a call if
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Speaker 1: you show up. And what do they need to do this, Josh,
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Speaker 1: very very little, not very much. No, it depends. Um,
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Speaker 1: it depends on the state. And uh, in Kentucky, Illinois,
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Speaker 1: and Oregon, you're not gonna find any bounty hunters. You're
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Speaker 1: not gonna find any bail bonding companies either. Um. But
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Speaker 1: like we said that, you're you waive your right to
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Speaker 1: extradition or right against extradition within the United States. Um.
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Speaker 1: So these these states are aware that people do come
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Speaker 1: to their states to flee as fugitives because and a
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Speaker 1: bounty hunter is going to come into their state after him.
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Speaker 1: Now say like Kentucky, Um, you can make an arrest
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Speaker 1: as a bounty hunter in Kentucky, but you have to
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Speaker 1: go to their court system first and say I need
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Speaker 1: a warrant. Yeah, this is actually a pretty uh. I
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Speaker 1: think it would be the ultimate deal for the bounty hunter,
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Speaker 1: as if you're suspect goes to Kentucky because basically you go,
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Speaker 1: you get a court order and then the judge will
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Speaker 1: have a police officer do the dirty work and yeah
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Speaker 1: that's an Illinois and arrest the person and then you
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Speaker 1: can have them remanded to your custody, so you get
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Speaker 1: the award, right, so you don't even have to capture them. No,
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Speaker 1: you don't, but I imagine it's probably. Um, if you're
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Speaker 1: a bounty hunter, you probably hate working with the cops,
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Speaker 1: you think, because it slows things down, derecratic and you're
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Speaker 1: not used to playing by the same rules that they are. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I imagine it probably is a fly in the
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Speaker 1: ointment when you have to go get somebody in Illinois
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Speaker 1: or something like that. Can they do anything Josh they
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Speaker 1: want to? Are they completely above the law? No, definitely not.
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Speaker 1: There's um what one sterling example of what you can't do,
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Speaker 1: um is cross international lines in pursuit of a fugitive.
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Speaker 1: One place you don't want to go is Mexico. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that is Dog the uh alleged racist bounty hunter who
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Speaker 1: has a TV show on an E And I call
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Speaker 1: him that because he was famously spouted a bunch of nasty,
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Speaker 1: racist things. Did you hear that recording? Yeah, he seems
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Speaker 1: like a big jerk to be honest, allegedly, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: he actually um caught a very famous criminal in Mexico.
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Speaker 1: Yeah it was um Andrew Luster, who was the Max
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Speaker 1: factor air back into three. You remember that. It was
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Speaker 1: a big deal. Oh yeah, and he got in big
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Speaker 1: trouble for it. He first he recoups some of his
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Speaker 1: share of the million bucks, and then Mexico said, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, it's illegal here. You are under arrest, sir,
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Speaker 1: but we'll let you out on bail. Well they, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they they they did let him out on bail. And
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Speaker 1: the entire job is to bring people back who skip
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Speaker 1: out on bail, and he skipped out on bail. So
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Speaker 1: Mexico wanted to extradite this guy. But by that time
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Speaker 1: he'd already made a name for himself. He's a famous
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Speaker 1: TV star, So condo Liza Rice writes a letter on
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Speaker 1: his behalf to Mexico saying, just drop extradition in Mexico
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Speaker 1: is like, no, I'm gonna I'd like to vouch for
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Speaker 1: dog yeah, if that's what the letter said. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: sure Mexico said, no, we're not gonna extradite and uh,
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Speaker 1: they court said send him to us. He's yet they've
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Speaker 1: been sent to him. But well they dropped the charges.
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Speaker 1: Oh they did, Yeah, a couple of years ago. They
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Speaker 1: dropped the charges. So he's off. He's off, Scott free,
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Speaker 1: and he's doing his thing. His TV show was can't
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Speaker 1: suspended for a little while because of the racist remarks
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Speaker 1: in this whole Mexico thing. But it's going strong again
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Speaker 1: because the American public is they'll forgive you if you
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Speaker 1: will bust Downdoors on TV for them. Yeah, who wrote
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Speaker 1: this actually this is uh Stephanie Watson. Stephanie Watson wrote
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Speaker 1: about Dog the bounty Hunter his mulleted militia. I thought
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Speaker 1: that was really good. Um. The other thing, Josh I
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Speaker 1: thought was interesting that they cannot do, and this seems
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Speaker 1: like a pretty big loophole, is they cannot enter the
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Speaker 1: home of a friend or family member to catch you know,
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Speaker 1: so it seems like you should just hide out with
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Speaker 1: a friend or family It's becoming quite clear that if
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Speaker 1: you or I ever jump bail, jump bond, right, sure,
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Speaker 1: we should go stay at the house of a friend
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Speaker 1: or family member in Kentucky. Okay, Yeah, I actually do
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Speaker 1: know people in Kentucky. Okay, I need their address. I
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Speaker 1: could go stay with Stacy Horn's parents. They chuck, but
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Speaker 1: they can't come and get me. Who cares. They can
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Speaker 1: sit outside the house in the moment you come out, buddy,
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Speaker 1: I'd just I'd be a shut in. Okay, the Chuck's
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Speaker 1: got it all worth out do alright, chuck. Um. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: they just about everything else they can do. I can't
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Speaker 1: rough you up, can't go into Mexico, although they can
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Speaker 1: they do, and they can't go into the houses of
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Speaker 1: friends or family members. What are they doing, like, they're
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Speaker 1: using everything else at their disposal, right, Yeah, they're doing
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Speaker 1: stuff that probably a good detective might do. They're accessing
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Speaker 1: your files and your records, phone records, maybe credit card receipts,
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Speaker 1: asking around on the street, trying to find out where
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Speaker 1: you like to hang out and shoot pool that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, and then you stake it out like
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Speaker 1: cop would you know? Yeah, um, some of them use
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Speaker 1: like spy gadgets like pinhole cameras that kind of thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then but yeah, it seems like a stackout is
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Speaker 1: probably one of the um bigger parts of the job
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Speaker 1: of a bounty hunter. Yes, several hours, several days, I
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Speaker 1: would imagine hours if you're really, really lucky. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: then you make the arrest, right Josh. But that's not
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Speaker 1: the most important thing they have to their advantages it, no,
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Speaker 1: Stephanie points out. It is what the element of surprise. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I like this. Um, you can you're not a police officer,
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Speaker 1: so you can totally trick anybody anyway. You can dress
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Speaker 1: up as a meter reader to get into that house
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Speaker 1: of your friend or family member, right, yeah, and all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden they open the door. You say, you're
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Speaker 1: a ups guy, and then no, Miranda, no nothing, They
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Speaker 1: just bust in there and put you down the ground.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty hanky. It is a little hanky, but it
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Speaker 1: is a real job. It's bona fid And you're saying,
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Speaker 1: you guys can do this to me when you sign
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Speaker 1: your bailbond contracts. Well, exact, that's the key, Josha. They
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Speaker 1: carry guns. Oh yeah, they carry guns. Depending on the state,
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Speaker 1: you may have to license it with the state. In
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Speaker 1: Georgia where we live, you have to be you have
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Speaker 1: to um, have a gun license, no check. You have
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Speaker 1: to work for only one bail bondsman. This is kind
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Speaker 1: of a big deal. There are freelance bounty hunters who
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Speaker 1: will work for anybody, non Bushido code bounty hunters, right, um,
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Speaker 1: And a lot of states say no, no, no, you
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Speaker 1: you can't do that. You can be a bounty hunter,
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Speaker 1: but you have to work for an express bail bondsman
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Speaker 1: and they have to have you on their books, and
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Speaker 1: it can only be him, and if you show up
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Speaker 1: in someone else's books, you're in huge trouble. Right, So
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Speaker 1: you're still a freelancer. Technically you're not on their on
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Speaker 1: their staff in some independent contractor, but you exclusively work
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Speaker 1: with that person, right. I think you can go either
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Speaker 1: way legally speaking. I don't know practically speaking, but legally speaking,
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Speaker 1: you could either be on their staff or you could
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Speaker 1: be an independent contractor. But once you're contracted with one
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Speaker 1: bail bondsman or bail bonding company, yeah, that's it got you,
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Speaker 1: you know? Okay? But there are states that allow freelancers.
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Speaker 1: Which ones are those? Do? You know? I think it's
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Speaker 1: more most states allow it rather than fewer states. I know, Florida,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina and South Carolina. UM have rules about freelancing. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's all we care about because we're likely to get
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Speaker 1: arrested in here in the Southeast, okay, but not by
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Speaker 1: a freelancer. I got another quote from Mr Burton, Josh,
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Speaker 1: you ready, let's hear it's very difficult for a wife
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Speaker 1: to say to her husband when he's walking out the
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Speaker 1: door at midnight with a shotgun, have a nice day
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Speaker 1: at the office. Yeah, so he said. The worry factor,
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Speaker 1: it's still even though it's usually non violent, it's you know,
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Speaker 1: you're going out on your own without the protection of
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Speaker 1: a police officer as well. That's a little scary. And
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Speaker 1: there was one other trick that um that Burton points out,
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Speaker 1: and it's called finding out the judas. Yeah. Remember we
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Speaker 1: said that in the bail bonding episode that in most
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Speaker 1: cases the bail bond company takes something in collateral from
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Speaker 1: say your parents, say the title of your parents house.
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Speaker 1: Let's say you skip bail anyway, your parents are probably
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Speaker 1: gonna be fairly pissed at you for doing that. And
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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden they may say, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I want him back here because I want to keep
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Speaker 1: my house. So Burton figures out who you've wronged by
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Speaker 1: jumping bail, or possibly who you wronged in the first
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Speaker 1: place to get arrested, like a drug deal or something
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Speaker 1: like that. Uh, and then he'll go he'll find that
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Speaker 1: person and get the information of where you are, where
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Speaker 1: you like to shoot pool as you put it, all right,
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Speaker 1: that's the Judas obviously named from the Bible. I was
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Speaker 1: about to say Bible character, but I guess Judas is
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Speaker 1: a real person sold out Jesus. That's probably not a
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Speaker 1: real popular name. Baby name would you think? I don't
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Speaker 1: like Judas? Right? Yeah, it's in Lucifer and Chuck. Lastly,
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Speaker 1: how do you get to be a bounty hunter? Well?
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Speaker 1: Even or not? Dude, there are schools who are starting
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Speaker 1: to have programs and bounty hunters and degrees. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure what schools, oh, I can guess, but they're out there.
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Speaker 1: And is it like evening and weekend schools that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing, probably or maybe online schools, which I have
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Speaker 1: to say are gaining more and more accreditation and credibility. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Before we leave, though, I wanted to point out one
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Speaker 1: of the cool little tricks I saw is they'll they'll
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Speaker 1: rig certain things ahead of time to make it harder
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Speaker 1: for you to escape, Like if they know they're going
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Speaker 1: to go to your house, they'll go to your car
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Speaker 1: first and like jam something in the keyhole, like paper. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so if they if they get away out the back door,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're at their car fumbling with
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Speaker 1: their keys and you walk up with your taser and
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Speaker 1: put them down on the ground. Or if you just
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Speaker 1: run and put your your gun in their mouth. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can do that too, and you can be a female.
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Speaker 1: We keep saying him a lot. Yeah, he pointed out that, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's a judgment call in the use of force.
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Speaker 1: He said, if you're coming up to a twenty five
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Speaker 1: year old girl who uh was wanted for cuding checks,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna say, look, just come with us. We don't
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Speaker 1: want to handcuff you. That's probably how it usually goes down. Sure,
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Speaker 1: not like in the movies. Have you ever seen a
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Speaker 1: good Bounty Hunter movie? Dead Man? Yeah? Dead Man is
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Speaker 1: a good When we talked about that, what about my
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Speaker 1: favorite Josh was besides Midnight Run on the comedy end,
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Speaker 1: was The Hunter. Steve McQueen's final picture. I never saw that.
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Speaker 1: It's a good one. I don't know they've ever seen
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Speaker 1: a Steve McQueen movie. Yeah, you've never seen Bullet. No,
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Speaker 1: you've never seen The Great Escape. I think I have
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Speaker 1: seen most of the Great Escape. Isn't Dustin Hoffmann. There
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Speaker 1: Chuck to listener mail. Not yet, sir. Now, first we
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Speaker 1: ever official apology. That can't be right to people. Well,
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Speaker 1: we apologize over the place all the time, but this
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Speaker 1: is official because we uh inadvertently offended Jehovah's witnesses and
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Speaker 1: the listener mail segment from last week where the kid
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Speaker 1: wrote in about his uncle who gave the blood transfusion
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Speaker 1: to the Jehovah's witness even though they refused at first.
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Speaker 1: The Portuguese doctor in Brazil. Yes, and uh, we just
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Speaker 1: it was this week, it was tuesday, was it okay? Well,
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Speaker 1: we just want to apologize officially, uh to them, because
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Speaker 1: we had quite a few Jehovah's witnesses right in and
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Speaker 1: it came across as us saying that, you know, they
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Speaker 1: were just willing to let their kid die and they
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Speaker 1: were callous and this non Jehovah's witness saved the day
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Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, And that is not what we
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Speaker 1: were thinking at the time. It is. It was just
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Speaker 1: like a nice hero letter in my mind. So sorry, guys,
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Speaker 1: we didn't know we had so many of you out
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Speaker 1: there listening to us, and uh you Also they also
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Speaker 1: pointed out bloodless surgery would be a good topic and
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Speaker 1: that too, so you feel better, I do, okay, So
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Speaker 1: for listening. Now, Yes, Josh, this is from I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: is from James K in Calgary, Alberta, which is in Canada.
20:51
Speaker 1: We've been chided for saying Calgary, Canada. That's like saying Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: United States. So that's in Alberta. And he is a
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Speaker 1: end of September. Like so many people do. They'll discover
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Speaker 1: the podcast and listen like a hundred and fifty of them,
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Speaker 1: and then they hate us, and uh not the case
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Speaker 1: It hurts more than you'll ever know, so please please
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Speaker 1: give me more the Habit might be destructive, It might
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Speaker 1: be pulling me down away from everything I formally held
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Speaker 1: dear and into the pit some cesspool of intellectual fervor.
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Speaker 1: But I don't care. I want my fix. I need it,
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Speaker 1: and you're the only ones that can hook me up
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Speaker 1: yours forever, James, she could. James has send us some money,
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Speaker 1: and he actually pointed out a few stats. A hundred
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Speaker 1: and eighty three podcasts and there's a few more since
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Speaker 1: come really stay in your stomach for seven years? Remember
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Speaker 1: those days when we recorded in tin Can five minutes
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Speaker 1: and tin Can and episodes without me? He says, nineteen.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know there that many without me, But yeah,
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Speaker 1: we should probably re record those nineteen or just erase them.
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Speaker 1: There were some good topics in their checker. Okay, uh,
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