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Elinor Wonders About the Universe · Daniel and Kelly’s Extraordinary Universe

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Speaker 1: Hey, Daniel, do you think humans will eventually discover all
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Speaker 1: of the deep secrets of the universe? I guess I
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Speaker 1: think it depends on what you know. It depends on
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Speaker 1: how curious future generations are. If the kids growing up
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Speaker 1: today are curious enough, who knows what they might discover. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's why I give my kids plenty of vitamin C
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Speaker 1: so they'll have a strong immune system to survive the
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Speaker 1: next pandemic. Actually, I mean C for curiosity, so they're
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Speaker 1: not immune to amazing discovery as long as they don't
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Speaker 1: get a C in science. But see for catching it
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Speaker 1: all right, that's right. Hi am or Hey, I'm a
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Speaker 1: cartoonist and the career of PhD comments. Hi, I'm Daniel.
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Speaker 1: I'm a particle physicist, and I'm super curious about what
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Speaker 1: our kids will discover. Welcome to our podcast, Daniel and
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Speaker 1: Jorge Explain the Universe, a production of I Heart Radio
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Speaker 1: in which we ride that curiosity wave. We take the
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Speaker 1: power of your curiosity and we take it all the
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Speaker 1: way to the end of the universe and look backwards.
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Speaker 1: We try to understand the very big the very small.
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Speaker 1: We ask all the questions from the littlest ones to
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Speaker 1: the biggest ones, to the hardest ones, to the weirdest ones. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it seems to be part of human nature to
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Speaker 1: ask questions, you know, to ask questions about their surroundings
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Speaker 1: and even about the universe. It seems like we're all
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Speaker 1: curious at some basic level, that's right. And sometimes we
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Speaker 1: want to know the way things work around us for
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Speaker 1: practical reasons like wow, how fast can that leopard run?
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Speaker 1: Am I faster than it? And sometimes we just want
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Speaker 1: to know. We want to understand the context of our lives,
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Speaker 1: how should we live, what does it mean, where do
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Speaker 1: we all come from. It's a deep seated need to
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Speaker 1: understand the universe around us, and it's translated into a
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Speaker 1: pretty impressive set of knowledge about the universe and how
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Speaker 1: it works. But it's also shown us how much we
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Speaker 1: still have to understand. Yeah, and it's not just scientists
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Speaker 1: who have curiosity. It's kind of everyday people, right, it's everybody.
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Speaker 1: When I talk to people about what I do from
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Speaker 1: my job, their eyes light up. Well, first they say physics, Man,
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Speaker 1: I did terrible of physics in high school. And then
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Speaker 1: they go, oh, wait a second, I want to note
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Speaker 1: the answer to that question. What is the universe made
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Speaker 1: out of her? Where did it come from? Everybody is curious,
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Speaker 1: and on this show, we believe that wondering and curiosity
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Speaker 1: belongs to everybody. Nobody ever confuses you for a psychic
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Speaker 1: instead of a physics person. That's never happened, not even once.
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Speaker 1: They can read my mind, so they can tell that
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Speaker 1: I can't read theirs. Well, today we have a very
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Speaker 1: special episode because we are announcing the release of our
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Speaker 1: television show. I don't know how many of you out
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Speaker 1: there follow us on social media on our Instagram and Twitter,
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Speaker 1: but Daniel and I have made a television show for kids.
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Speaker 1: That's right. It's the next step in our adventure of collaboration.
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Speaker 1: We started with online videos and then wrote a book
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Speaker 1: together and we've been doing this podcast and the next
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Speaker 1: step is this TV show which celebrates and supports curiosity,
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Speaker 1: especially scientific curiosity in children. Yeah, it's a show called
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Speaker 1: Eleanora Wonders Why, and it premiers this week on PPS
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Speaker 1: Kids dot org and on the PPS Kids app and
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Speaker 1: also on the pus Kids YouTube channel and also on
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime if you have the ppous Kids subscription. It
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Speaker 1: will dig into the details of what that show is about.
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Speaker 1: But basically It's about a bunch of curious kids asking
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Speaker 1: questions about the world they find themselves in and figuring
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Speaker 1: out the answers for themselves. It's a project that Daniel
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Speaker 1: and I are super excited about. We've been working on
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Speaker 1: it for years, kind of on the background of this podcast.
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Speaker 1: We're super excited to share with you and with all
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Speaker 1: of the kids in your lives, whether they are nieces
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Speaker 1: and nephews or grandkids or kids. So, if you're a
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Speaker 1: fan of science and you're a curious person, and you'd
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Speaker 1: like your kids or your friends kids to grow up
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Speaker 1: with a scientific mindset and explore the universe and answer
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Speaker 1: some of these deep questions that we all have about
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Speaker 1: the universe, maybe give it a try share with them.
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Speaker 1: And So the show is called Eleanor Wonders Why, and
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Speaker 1: it's based on our kids. But specifically, the main character
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Speaker 1: is called Eleanor, and she's the bunny rabbit in this
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Speaker 1: world of the show, but she's based a little bit
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Speaker 1: on my daughter Eleanor. And so today, to celebrate the
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Speaker 1: release of the show, we thought it'd be cool to
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Speaker 1: answer some questions that Eleanor has about the universe. That's right.
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Speaker 1: We were hoping in this show to model the way
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Speaker 1: that we talk to our kids about science. We answer
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Speaker 1: their questions, we reflect their questions back to them, but
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Speaker 1: also to tap into that curiosity that kids have in
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Speaker 1: its raw form. And those of you who have curious kids,
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Speaker 1: and I know many of you have written into the
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Speaker 1: show and sent in their questions, know that their questions
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Speaker 1: are wonderful because they asked the deepest but most basic
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Speaker 1: questions about the universe around us. Yeah, and it sort
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Speaker 1: of seems like once they can to school, a lot
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Speaker 1: of that curiosity gets sort of ground away or beaten
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Speaker 1: down a little bit. I don't want to say anything
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Speaker 1: negative about school or teachers, because they're having a hard
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Speaker 1: time these days, but it's true that that like joyful curiosity,
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Speaker 1: that wondering about the universe, there isn't always a place
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Speaker 1: for that in your normal, everyday school curriculum. And so
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Speaker 1: we were hoping this TV show would help supplement that,
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Speaker 1: would help inject that wonder and that excitement about the
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Speaker 1: very biggest questions and also just the world around Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And so we have two questions here today from the
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Speaker 1: real Eleanor. And these are questions that she totally just
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Speaker 1: came up out of normal conversation, like we were just
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Speaker 1: folding laundry and suddenly she had these She gave me
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Speaker 1: these two big questions about the universe. And she always
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Speaker 1: just like popping questions about the universe on you at
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Speaker 1: all times. Oh yes, did I mean? She inspired a
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Speaker 1: show called Eleanor Wonders Why. Those of you with curious
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Speaker 1: children will know what that's like. So we're happy to
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Speaker 1: answer Eleanor's questions today, and we hope that you and
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Speaker 1: or your kids have similar questions. Yeah, and if your
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Speaker 1: kid has questions about the universe, about planets, about Adams,
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Speaker 1: or anything related to science, please send them to us.
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Speaker 1: We'd be happy to try to answer them and maybe
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Speaker 1: even possibly answering them on the podcast. That's right, We
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Speaker 1: answer all of our listener questions, So write to us
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Speaker 1: with your questions. Two questions at Daniel and Jorge dot com. Alright,
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Speaker 1: Eleanor has two questions about nothing short of the entire universe, Daniel,
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Speaker 1: she has big thoughts. She's a little seven year old girl,
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Speaker 1: but somehow she had these questions about the universe, And honestly,
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Speaker 1: as a parent, I don't know where they where they
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Speaker 1: came from, Like I don't know what books she's reading,
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Speaker 1: what what videos are showing to her at school? But
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Speaker 1: she had these amazing questions about the universe. Clearly, you
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Speaker 1: have interacted with physicists too much, or she's thinking about
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Speaker 1: this maybe probably is there such a thing as too
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Speaker 1: much interaction with the obviously I think not. Alright, here's
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Speaker 1: Leonora's first question. Yes, E has two questions, one about
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Speaker 1: the multiverse and the other one about the shape of space.
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Speaker 1: How can I how can there be more than one
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Speaker 1: universe if the universe is probably infinite because I thought
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Speaker 1: the universe was everything that existed. That's a big question, though,
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Speaker 1: such as my brain, such a big question. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know how she knows about the multiverse, Like we
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Speaker 1: don't talk about it over dinner. Yeah. Well, and she
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Speaker 1: has the idea of the infinite universe, which is hard
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Speaker 1: enough for me to hold in my head. What do
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Speaker 1: you think she thinks of when she talks about infinity? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a big question. I think I think she has
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Speaker 1: an understanding of like things that go on forever, like
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Speaker 1: they don't stop, you know, definitely they used in infinity
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Speaker 1: a lot, like you know, when they're When she's arguing
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Speaker 1: with her brother or something, you know, I want infinity
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Speaker 1: of these? Or how many cookies do want? For desert? Infinity? Infinity?
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Speaker 1: Yet it's definitely a concept she's familiar with. But what
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Speaker 1: do you think about her question? I think she's asking,
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Speaker 1: you know, how can there be more than one universe?
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Speaker 1: If the universe might be infinite? Like how, like where
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Speaker 1: are they? I think maybe she's sort of asking, like
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Speaker 1: where are these other universes if the universe is infinite? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Or do you think she's gonna be just asking it
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Speaker 1: like a semantics question, like why how can you have
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Speaker 1: a universe and a multiverse? Wouldn't it it all just
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Speaker 1: be the universe? Yeah? Well, I think the answer there's
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Speaker 1: a scientific answer and a semantic answer there, because you know, originally,
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Speaker 1: I think the universe is designed to mean everything that
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Speaker 1: there is. It's just like, instead of saying the phrase
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Speaker 1: all the stuff and all of the space and all
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Speaker 1: the matter and everything, you want a more compact phrase,
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Speaker 1: and so we have universe. But then that sort of
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Speaker 1: came to define a set of ideas, and when you
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Speaker 1: want to expand on those ideas, then you need to
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Speaker 1: add a new word for a new meaning. So like
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Speaker 1: if universe is sort of semantically flexible and means like
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Speaker 1: our current understanding of everything that could possibly be. Then, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's just one universe by definition. I guess you sort
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Speaker 1: of downgraded the definition of universe like youas mean everything.
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Speaker 1: But then because this were like maybe there's more to everything,
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Speaker 1: or where there's more everything everywhere else, and specifically we
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Speaker 1: had new ideas for how to get more everything or
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Speaker 1: where more everything could be, or in in other ways
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Speaker 1: you could have stuff, and so the sort of categorically
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Speaker 1: different kinds of stuff and places, and so that I
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Speaker 1: think is why we came up with a new word
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Speaker 1: for it. But maybe we should talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: about what it means to have more than one universe
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Speaker 1: or where that other stuff could be. Yeah, yeah, because
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Speaker 1: I think what's was sort of blowing her mind is
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Speaker 1: just this idea that there's everything and then there's other
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Speaker 1: Everything's like where are they? Are they next to the
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Speaker 1: other everything or are they on top? Or how does
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Speaker 1: that work? Yeah? And it's especially hard to understand if
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Speaker 1: the universe is infinite, because then how do you squeeze
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Speaker 1: all that stuff together? Right? And when people we'll talk
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Speaker 1: about universe, they often mean different things and so sometimes
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Speaker 1: it's just semantics. And sometimes when people say the universe,
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Speaker 1: they really mean the observable universe, like the part of
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Speaker 1: the universe that we can see, which goes out several
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Speaker 1: billions and billions of light years, right, And sometimes people
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Speaker 1: think of other universes as just like other observable universes.
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Speaker 1: If you're somewhere really, really far away, you would have
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Speaker 1: a different observable universe because you would see a different
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Speaker 1: like patch of the infinite universe. I think that's kind
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Speaker 1: of lame, because we already have a phrase for that
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Speaker 1: observable universe, sub universe. Yeah, exactly. It makes our observable
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Speaker 1: universe is like a sub universe of the whole universe.
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Speaker 1: So technically that's in the category of multiverse. Some people
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Speaker 1: call it multiverse, but I think it's sort of silly.
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Speaker 1: I think more interesting is this concept like that our
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Speaker 1: universe could be infinite and yet there could also be
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Speaker 1: other universes, right yeah, because like, well, how do you
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Speaker 1: fit it all in? How do you fit it all
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Speaker 1: in exactly? And to fit it all in you have
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Speaker 1: to have like other kinds of space. Because remember that
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Speaker 1: what we think about is our universe is the space
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Speaker 1: we live in the space and all the matter and
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and that could go on forever, right,
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Speaker 1: But then also there could be variations on it. And
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Speaker 1: really the only way to reconcile having an infinite universe
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Speaker 1: and having multi verses is to go for the quantum multiverse,
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Speaker 1: the one where our universe is splitting into different possibilities
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Speaker 1: at every moment. So this is the idea that every time,
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Speaker 1: like a particle makes a decision, another universe pops out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: exactly is to try to answer the question like when
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Speaker 1: the universe makes a seemingly random decision for quantum mechanics,
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Speaker 1: why is it that one and not another one? When
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Speaker 1: the electron has to decide do I go left or
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Speaker 1: do I go right? Then you know, why is it
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Speaker 1: go left? It seems weird, It seems arbitrary. And as
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Speaker 1: you know, physicis don't like beings the same art jury.
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Speaker 1: We want an explanation, kind of like chilled in right,
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Speaker 1: They always want to know why why can't I have
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Speaker 1: cookies at nine pm at night? What's what's going on?
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Speaker 1: The show is really called Physicists Wonder Why, But we
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Speaker 1: wanted to make a kid's ship. It seems arbitrary, then
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Speaker 1: it seems arbitrary. So we invent this other universe to say, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's balanced. You know, we're in the left direction,
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Speaker 1: but there's another universe where the electron went to the
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Speaker 1: right direction, and that somehow satisfies your need for symmetry,
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Speaker 1: for balance, to say that it's not just arbitrary that
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Speaker 1: it went left, because it went in every direction and
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Speaker 1: we just ended up in one of those right. And
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Speaker 1: the idea is that there weren't two universes before, but
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Speaker 1: once that particle makes a decision, whether it's been right
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Speaker 1: or it's been left, then now there are two universes.
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Speaker 1: So before there was one, now there are two. And
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Speaker 1: that happens every time a particle in all of existence
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Speaker 1: makes a decision. Yeah, and it's crazy, right, It's hard
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Speaker 1: to imagine because there's ten to the eight particles and
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Speaker 1: they're doing stuff every you know, nanosecond or whatever, and
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Speaker 1: so the number of universe it just becomes absurd very
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Speaker 1: very quickly. Plus the universe is billions of years old,
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Speaker 1: so like, how do you even fathom the number of
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Speaker 1: different universes in this scenario, It's like infinity to the
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Speaker 1: infinity to the head explosion power. You know, it's just
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Speaker 1: it's just the number. We can't even really think about.
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Speaker 1: It's more cookies than even your kids could eat, even
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Speaker 1: at nine pm. Even at nine pm, they'll happily take
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Speaker 1: the challenge. I'm sure you gotta take data right. You
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Speaker 1: can't just make assumptions. You've got to do the experiment.
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Speaker 1: Can put limits. Doesn't really answer her question right, like
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Speaker 1: say that that's true, say that's actually happening, that that's
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Speaker 1: our reality. Then where are those other universes? You know,
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Speaker 1: where are they in space? Right? And that's not easy
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Speaker 1: to answer. They're not really like anywhere. You know, we
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Speaker 1: have branched. We are in the left universe and not
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Speaker 1: in the right universe. It's not like the right universe
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Speaker 1: is one we can ever interact with. We can't like
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Speaker 1: send a message to that universe. We're not causally connected.
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Speaker 1: We're separated from that universe, so we can never interact
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Speaker 1: with it in any way. It can't influence us, we
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Speaker 1: can't send messages, it can't change us. So from our
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Speaker 1: point of view, it doesn't exist in our space at all. Well,
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Speaker 1: how do you know that, Daniel, I guess how do
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Speaker 1: you know there that there's no way that there we
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Speaker 1: can make a connection to them, because in sciences fection
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Speaker 1: you see it all the time, like spreaking the walls
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Speaker 1: between the different universes, and you can travel to a
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Speaker 1: different universe. Are you saying I saw this in a movie,
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Speaker 1: So how do you know it's not possible? Basically, I
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Speaker 1: also saw flying saucers and jet packs Daniel episode. We'll
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Speaker 1: get to those later. Well, it comes from the very
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Speaker 1: construction of the multiverse. Rights the multiverse. The other universe
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Speaker 1: is created when the universe splits, when you make a
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Speaker 1: different decision. So then our universe is inconsistent with that universe.
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Speaker 1: It's like a copy of our universe, but with a
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Speaker 1: different decisions. So the two have like the same history,
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Speaker 1: but now a different future. And so how did the
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Speaker 1: two even talk to each other? They have like an
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Speaker 1: inconsistent history for what has happened. It's like an alternative.
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Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, a different fork in the
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Speaker 1: path while I'll go left and you'll go right, and
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Speaker 1: maybe the paths will meet again. It's like you know,
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Speaker 1: once you decided to press the button, you can't unpressed
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Speaker 1: the button. All right? I think now I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of questions about this Daniel, and so let's get
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Speaker 1: into where these other universes might be. But first let's
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Speaker 1: take a quick break. All right, Today we're asking questions
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Speaker 1: from Eleanor, my daughter, who is also the inspiration for
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Speaker 1: our new kids television show called Eleanor Wonders Why, which
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Speaker 1: is all about getting kids interested and curious about nature
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Speaker 1: and all the amazing things in it, like animals and
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Speaker 1: bugs and lizards. Maybe mosquitoes actually came over from the
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Speaker 1: multiverse because I hate them so much, but I love nature.
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Speaker 1: Think they come from a dark, dark universe. I imagine, like,
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Speaker 1: who would suffer if we just deleted mosquitoes from the universe? Really,
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Speaker 1: nobody would be harm Can't we just all vote to
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Speaker 1: do that? You know, I think bads eat mosquitoes, Daniel,
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Speaker 1: so that would be bad news for bad, which, by
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Speaker 1: the way, is also a character in our show. So
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Speaker 1: Eleanor in the show is a bunny rabbit, and she
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Speaker 1: has two best friends, are a funny and very active
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Speaker 1: bad and also Olive, who who's an elephant. And all
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Speaker 1: of it's sort of based on your daughter, right, Daniel
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Speaker 1: Alive is partially inspired by my daughter, That's right, All
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Speaker 1: of the character in the show is a real reader
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Speaker 1: and likes words, and my daughter Hazel is like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so she helped inspire us. And the curiosity of all
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Speaker 1: of our children and of all the children we've met
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Speaker 1: out there helped inspire us. I give sometimes lectures to
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Speaker 1: elementary schools about science, and my favorite bit is the
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Speaker 1: question period afterwards, when they ask any question they have
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Speaker 1: in their mind, and they're always like surprising, mind blowing,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes it's difficult to answer questions. Yeah, So if
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Speaker 1: you have young kids, or if you have friends with
17:02
Speaker 1: young kids or nieces or nephews or grandkids, we would
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Speaker 1: really encourage you to tell them about the show. It's
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Speaker 1: called Eleanor Wonders Why, and it's available right now in
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Speaker 1: the US at PBS Kids dot org, slash Eleanor E
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Speaker 1: l I n O R and also the PBS Kids app,
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Speaker 1: which you can download for free and watch all these
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Speaker 1: episodes for free. They're also available on the PBS Kids
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel and also on the Amazon Prime PBS Kids subscription.
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Speaker 1: Those you can put on repeat, which we hear a
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Speaker 1: lot of parents are appreciative of. So today to celebrate that,
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Speaker 1: we are answering questions from Eleanor, the real Eleanor, and
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Speaker 1: she had a question about the multiverse. So, Daniel, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about the multiverse. If the multiverse is real,
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Speaker 1: where where are all these other universes at? So you're
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Speaker 1: saying we can't access them, we're not connected to them,
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Speaker 1: because it's more like we're different possibilities. Is that kind
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Speaker 1: of what what do you mean? It sounds very abstract,
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Speaker 1: like are you saying we're an abstraction in that theory
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Speaker 1: the multiverse where there's a different universe created every time
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Speaker 1: a quantum mechanical particle has to roll the dice, Then yes,
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Speaker 1: we are just one of those many many many many
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Speaker 1: many many many to the many power universes. And so
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Speaker 1: two people in or creatures in one of those other multiverses,
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Speaker 1: we are that abstraction. And that's the part of this
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Speaker 1: theory that I don't really like because it tries to
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Speaker 1: answer this question of why are we in this universe
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Speaker 1: and not in another universe where other random decisions were made.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't like randomness and tries to answer that by saying
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Speaker 1: every random decision is made. But to me, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: really answer it, because you know, I'm in this universe
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Speaker 1: and not in any other one, and so it's it
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Speaker 1: goes back again to that question of consciousness, like why
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Speaker 1: am I experiencing this universe and not those universes? So
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Speaker 1: to me philosophically, it's pretty unsatisfying. Plus, it's just hard
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Speaker 1: to think about, like where are all those other universes?
18:54
Speaker 1: Eleanois question is a great one. You know, how do
18:56
Speaker 1: you have multiple infinite universes? Where are they? And you know,
19:01
Speaker 1: the best way to think about it is that we
19:03
Speaker 1: have an infinite pocket of space to play in here,
19:06
Speaker 1: our universe, our quantum slice of the universe, and those
19:10
Speaker 1: other ones they have their own inefinite pockets of space
19:14
Speaker 1: to play with, but they're not connected to ours. The
19:17
Speaker 1: only way to answer the question where is something is
19:20
Speaker 1: to think about their physical relationships, you know, like where
19:23
Speaker 1: is your neighbor's house? It's next to yours, Because our
19:26
Speaker 1: brains are sort of hard wired to think about space
19:28
Speaker 1: like that, right, like spatially, Well, that's what space is. Remember,
19:31
Speaker 1: there's no absolute locations anywhere. It's all relative. And so
19:36
Speaker 1: if there is no relative position between this universe and
19:40
Speaker 1: the other universe, then you can't put them in any
19:43
Speaker 1: space together. So they really have their own spaces. So
19:47
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is that I should tell
19:49
Speaker 1: eleanor that Daniel doesn't know. Daniel definitely doesn't know if
19:53
Speaker 1: those universes exist and if they do, where they are.
19:56
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure that if they exist, we can
19:59
Speaker 1: never talk to them or interact with them, or even
20:02
Speaker 1: prove that they exist. And a lot of people say
20:05
Speaker 1: that makes this not a very scientific idea because if
20:07
Speaker 1: you can't test it, how could you prove it's true.
20:10
Speaker 1: And if you can't prove it's true, then it's really
20:12
Speaker 1: just speculation and not even really science, right. Yeah, you
20:16
Speaker 1: need to be able to formulate it, right, like as
20:18
Speaker 1: a hypothesis, and be able to prove it or disproven
20:21
Speaker 1: or a design a test to prove it or disprove it. Yeah,
20:23
Speaker 1: a lot of people like Carl Popper's theory of falsifiability,
20:26
Speaker 1: that is an idea is not scientific if it's not falsifiable,
20:30
Speaker 1: And then some people think that's garbage. But I just
20:32
Speaker 1: feel like, how are you going to pick an idea, Like, sure,
20:35
Speaker 1: you have this idea of quantum ultiverse, somebody else has
20:37
Speaker 1: another idea. If you have competing ideas, to me, the
20:40
Speaker 1: way to pick between them is to do the experiment.
20:42
Speaker 1: That's what experimental science is about, is a way of
20:45
Speaker 1: cornering nature into revealing what's happening by constructing a situation
20:50
Speaker 1: where different things happen based on the reality. You know,
20:53
Speaker 1: the experiment, that particle goes left if it's this way,
20:55
Speaker 1: or it goes right if it's that way and that way.
20:57
Speaker 1: The universe gives you a clue. But if there's no
21:00
Speaker 1: way to interact with the rest of the multiverse, there's
21:02
Speaker 1: no way to prove it's there, then is it really there?
21:05
Speaker 1: And if it is, doesn't really matter all right, Well,
21:08
Speaker 1: it sounds like the answer is we don't know, but
21:11
Speaker 1: we may never get to these other universes. And also
21:14
Speaker 1: maybe the answer is a little bit like don't think
21:16
Speaker 1: about it as these other universes being anywhere like on
21:21
Speaker 1: top of us or next to us or below us,
21:24
Speaker 1: But think about it more like there's just sort of
21:26
Speaker 1: like there as well as us, right, Like it's it's
21:30
Speaker 1: just there. They're just they're just like we are here.
21:33
Speaker 1: But even the word there implies a space. You're like,
21:36
Speaker 1: they're over there. Well, I would say they are what
21:40
Speaker 1: they are and we are. Yeah, I would stop it
21:42
Speaker 1: are not they are there? Just they are? They are?
21:45
Speaker 1: We are they are? Where are there? We don't know?
21:48
Speaker 1: All right, well, awesome question. We also have another question
21:51
Speaker 1: from Eleanor here we're going to try to answer, and
21:53
Speaker 1: it's about the shape of space that's hard to shape
21:59
Speaker 1: and event like, oh, a giant wall that is like
22:04
Speaker 1: curves and you can't come out of it. Alright, awesome questions.
22:08
Speaker 1: She's asking about what the shape of space is, and
22:12
Speaker 1: if it has the shape, what's at the edges of it? Like,
22:16
Speaker 1: if if it has the shape, it must have an end,
22:18
Speaker 1: and so what's at the end. Is it a curved wall,
22:20
Speaker 1: is it a flat wall? Is it a stuckle wall?
22:24
Speaker 1: Who knows? I think she's been stuck inside too long.
22:27
Speaker 1: She's thinking about edges and boundaries. Oh boy, you know
22:32
Speaker 1: another I think about it. I do kind of see
22:34
Speaker 1: the inclings of these questions, where these questions that have
22:38
Speaker 1: came from. Like I'm thinking back over like the last
22:40
Speaker 1: couple of months or years, I've seen her sort of
22:44
Speaker 1: formulate this question a little by little, Like she asked
22:46
Speaker 1: a little bit about the universe, a little bit about space,
22:49
Speaker 1: a little bit about this, and I think it all
22:51
Speaker 1: just been sort of marinating inside of her head. Well,
22:53
Speaker 1: it's awesome. As kids grow up, they understand more and
22:56
Speaker 1: more about the world around them, and then they're sort
22:58
Speaker 1: of mental context rose and they can imagine this city,
23:02
Speaker 1: other cities, the country, the whole world, the solar system,
23:05
Speaker 1: and eventually, you know, inside their minds, they're creating this
23:09
Speaker 1: model of the whole universe. And that's when this awesome
23:12
Speaker 1: thing happens that they have questions about it. They're like,
23:14
Speaker 1: wait a second, this model in my head doesn't really
23:18
Speaker 1: make sense or what do I put here? And that's
23:20
Speaker 1: where these questions come from. And that's you know, that's
23:22
Speaker 1: science in action, right, And it's pretty cool that she
23:25
Speaker 1: just blurted out this question, like we're just folding laundry
23:28
Speaker 1: and she just suddenly pops out this question like it's
23:30
Speaker 1: been building up inside of her and she just had
23:31
Speaker 1: to let it out. Like isn't that cool that? I
23:34
Speaker 1: feel like as adults, we would just a lot of
23:36
Speaker 1: us just keep it to ourselves, Like if you're a
23:39
Speaker 1: dinner with the date, you wouldn't be like, you know,
23:41
Speaker 1: talk about one thing and then suddenly be like, hey,
23:43
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about the shape of the universe.
23:45
Speaker 1: But then again, maybe I'm not a physicist because I've
23:48
Speaker 1: done that. It depends on the kind of person you
23:50
Speaker 1: want to date, that's for sure, But it also depends
23:53
Speaker 1: on the kind of person you are. If you encourage
23:55
Speaker 1: these kind of questions and your children, if you enjoy
23:58
Speaker 1: exploring them with your kids, if having kids helps you
24:01
Speaker 1: renew this like naive curiosity, which still is driving basic
24:06
Speaker 1: questions in science. So I think it's wonderful to tap into.
24:09
Speaker 1: And you know, that's what we try to tap into
24:11
Speaker 1: for our show. A lot of the episodes for our
24:14
Speaker 1: show come from real questions asked by real kids about
24:17
Speaker 1: their universe. Yeah, and every episode in our show, Eleanor
24:20
Speaker 1: Wonders Why. We try to think about a question that
24:22
Speaker 1: kids would have and we try to answer it, like
24:25
Speaker 1: why do birds have feathers? And why do lizards like
24:28
Speaker 1: to sit out in the sun, and all kinds of
24:30
Speaker 1: fun kids questions, And why does my dad not know
24:32
Speaker 1: the answer to my physics questions? Why does he have
24:36
Speaker 1: to ask his friend? Why does he have to ask
24:39
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of thousands of people out on the internet. Well,
24:42
Speaker 1: let's try to give Eleanor an answer. Yeah, so she's
24:45
Speaker 1: asking what is the shape of space, like the space
24:48
Speaker 1: does the universe have a shape? Like, if you keep
24:50
Speaker 1: going long enough, what happens? Do you run into a wall?
24:54
Speaker 1: And what does that wall look like? Is it like
24:56
Speaker 1: a physical barrier? Is it curved? Does have a texture?
24:59
Speaker 1: The has it heard if you slam into it? What's
25:03
Speaker 1: going on? Well, it's fascinating that she asked this question
25:06
Speaker 1: just after she asked the other question where she's assuming
25:09
Speaker 1: an infinite universe. Now she's wondering like could the universe
25:12
Speaker 1: not be infinite? Right? How do you understand anything other
25:16
Speaker 1: than infinity for a universe? Right? Well, this one was
25:18
Speaker 1: kind of a follow up question, Like she asked the
25:20
Speaker 1: first question and then she sort of thought about it
25:23
Speaker 1: for a second, and then she has this one. So
25:25
Speaker 1: I think maybe she's also grappling with this idea of infinity.
25:28
Speaker 1: Like you said, like infinite doesn't make sense to her,
25:30
Speaker 1: There has to be an end to it. Actually, I
25:32
Speaker 1: think the opposite. I think infinity is much more natural
25:35
Speaker 1: than an edge, right, Like, as weird as infinity is,
25:39
Speaker 1: it's hard to grapple with, but it seems sort of
25:41
Speaker 1: natural because then you get to avoid edges and then
25:44
Speaker 1: we don't have to explain the edge or the weird
25:46
Speaker 1: shape of the universe because it just goes on forever.
25:49
Speaker 1: But then you have to explain forever, Daniel, see how
25:52
Speaker 1: this helps you. We'll have a very long answer for
25:55
Speaker 1: why forever makes sense. It goes on forever. It just
25:58
Speaker 1: goes on and on. This bit on, and then there's
26:00
Speaker 1: that bit, and there's other bit and then yeah, this
26:03
Speaker 1: is the longest podcast every but usually falsely before they
26:06
Speaker 1: ask you for a follow up. And so to answer
26:09
Speaker 1: her question, like one possibility, one very real possibility is
26:13
Speaker 1: that the universe is infinite, that space is infinite, and
26:16
Speaker 1: that it's always been infinite. The thing that's hardest for
26:19
Speaker 1: people often to understand about the universe being infinite is
26:22
Speaker 1: that they imagine the Big Bang having started the universe
26:25
Speaker 1: from a point, so then how would stuff get that
26:28
Speaker 1: far away? But instead, all you have to do is
26:30
Speaker 1: imagine not just that our universe is currently infinite, but
26:33
Speaker 1: that it always has been infinite. That the Big Bang
26:36
Speaker 1: was just a period where the universe was denser and hotter,
26:39
Speaker 1: and since then it's been expanding and becoming more dilute.
26:42
Speaker 1: But it went from an infinite, hot universe to an
26:45
Speaker 1: infinite cold universe. So that's one very real possibility, and
26:49
Speaker 1: that's my sort of personal philosophical preference for which I
26:52
Speaker 1: have no evidence. That's the Daniel interpretation of total guessing
26:57
Speaker 1: about the universe. Total guessing is step one in science though, right,
27:03
Speaker 1: all right, so that's one possibly. But I think she's asking, like,
27:06
Speaker 1: what if instead of having an infinite universe, we have
27:09
Speaker 1: a finite universe? And so if it's finite, what's the
27:13
Speaker 1: shape of it? Like is it a big sphere? Is
27:16
Speaker 1: in the shape of a duck? Is in the shape
27:19
Speaker 1: of a giant squirrel? Is it a cube? You know?
27:23
Speaker 1: And also like what's at the end? Like if you
27:26
Speaker 1: keep going in one direction of the universe, what happens
27:29
Speaker 1: when you hit the end of it? Do you stop existing?
27:32
Speaker 1: Do you bounce back? What happens? Well, the basic idea
27:36
Speaker 1: to get in your head before we get into the details,
27:38
Speaker 1: is that space is not as simple as you thought
27:41
Speaker 1: it was. Space is not just a place for matter
27:44
Speaker 1: to be, like an emptiness you know, on which stuff happens.
27:48
Speaker 1: Space itself can have shapes. And this is something we
27:51
Speaker 1: already know because we see that space bends. Right. Our
27:54
Speaker 1: understanding of gravity now is not a force between objects,
27:57
Speaker 1: but the interaction of matter with space. Matter bends space,
28:02
Speaker 1: and then space changes how matter moves. What that means
28:05
Speaker 1: is that space can have a weird shape. It doesn't
28:08
Speaker 1: just have to go on forever. It can curve, it
28:11
Speaker 1: can bend. It has weird pockets in it. These things
28:14
Speaker 1: space traps, which most of the rest of the community
28:16
Speaker 1: calls black holes, are weird pockets of space where space
28:20
Speaker 1: sort of has like a discontinuity and edge and like
28:23
Speaker 1: a loop, right, Like in a black hole, you can't
28:26
Speaker 1: you can't leave it because it's it's pulling on you.
28:28
Speaker 1: You can't it's it's a you can't leave it because
28:31
Speaker 1: space around a black hole is like loop right, Like
28:34
Speaker 1: it's a doughnut kind of like a circle. Yeah, space
28:37
Speaker 1: is one directional inside and black hole. So space can
28:41
Speaker 1: do all sorts of really weird things. So first get
28:44
Speaker 1: your sort of like mental idea of space be a
28:46
Speaker 1: little bit you know, squishy and flexible, and so we
28:49
Speaker 1: can fold and do weird stuff, and then we can
28:51
Speaker 1: insert into your mind other ideas for the shape of
28:53
Speaker 1: the universe and sort of The simplest is that the
28:56
Speaker 1: universe is finite but it has no edge because it's
29:01
Speaker 1: sort of constructed in a loop. Like if you just
29:03
Speaker 1: keep going in one direction, eventually you'll come back to
29:06
Speaker 1: where you were, right, kind of like a satellite in
29:09
Speaker 1: orbit around the Earth. Or even if you just travel
29:12
Speaker 1: on the Earth in one direction, you'll come back to
29:14
Speaker 1: the same spot. Yeah. If you build a road around
29:16
Speaker 1: the equator and you just keep driving on it, you'll
29:18
Speaker 1: come back to where you started. And that's because of
29:21
Speaker 1: the geometry of the Earth. Right on the surface of
29:23
Speaker 1: a sphere, you can just keep going, you'll come back
29:25
Speaker 1: to where you are. And you wonder where, Well, how
29:27
Speaker 1: do you do that for three dimensions? Well, if space
29:31
Speaker 1: is complicated, if space is a thing which can bend
29:34
Speaker 1: and twist and be connected in weird ways, right like
29:37
Speaker 1: around a black hole, then it can be connected in
29:40
Speaker 1: this way so that one bit of space is now
29:42
Speaker 1: connected to another bit of space on what would be
29:45
Speaker 1: the other side of the universe. You can arrange space
29:48
Speaker 1: in sort of a three dimensional equivalent of the surface
29:51
Speaker 1: of a sphere, Like you can take a universe and
29:53
Speaker 1: kind of wrap it around and connected to itself. Yeah,
29:56
Speaker 1: and and then so you would have a shape. Yeah,
29:58
Speaker 1: and the key thing to avoid is trying to understand
30:01
Speaker 1: this by putting the universe into a higher dimension. Don't
30:04
Speaker 1: think about the three D universe on some four dimensional sphere,
30:08
Speaker 1: because I would create another dimension of space, which we
30:11
Speaker 1: don't have any evidence to believe exists. Just think about
30:14
Speaker 1: the relative connections between things in space. If this point
30:18
Speaker 1: in space is connected to the next pointed space is
30:21
Speaker 1: connected to the next point in space, and then just
30:23
Speaker 1: imagine a ring of these points. Each one is connected
30:26
Speaker 1: to one to the left and one to the right,
30:28
Speaker 1: and together they construct a ring. And then imagine the
30:31
Speaker 1: three D analog of that ring. Again, it's not like
30:35
Speaker 1: on the surface of a three D sphere. It's just
30:38
Speaker 1: about the ordering of the points relative to each other.
30:41
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's I have questions about that, and also, Daniel,
30:46
Speaker 1: let's get into maybe a little bit more of the
30:47
Speaker 1: specifics and also maybe think about the alternative that maybe
30:51
Speaker 1: space space is flat. What are the possibilities there? So
30:54
Speaker 1: let's do that, But first let's take a quick break.
31:10
Speaker 1: All right, we're answering questions from Eleanor, my daughter, who
31:14
Speaker 1: is the inspiration for like one of the characters in
31:16
Speaker 1: the show Eleanor Wonders why, which is our new kids
31:19
Speaker 1: showing that is out right now and we're celebrating its
31:21
Speaker 1: release this week. And so Eleanor had a question about
31:25
Speaker 1: the shape of space, and Danna you were saying that
31:27
Speaker 1: maybe space is bendable, and well, it is bendable, but
31:33
Speaker 1: maybe the shape of spaces that it loops around onto
31:36
Speaker 1: itself like it's wrapped around itself. Yeah, And that's more
31:39
Speaker 1: like the topology of space than the shape of it.
31:42
Speaker 1: It's like about how the points are connected to each
31:44
Speaker 1: other rather than like, you know, how it's bent by
31:47
Speaker 1: mass in any sort of local configuration. It's sort of like,
31:51
Speaker 1: you know, how you put the whole thing together, And
31:53
Speaker 1: that I think is sort of the easiest one to
31:55
Speaker 1: understand because it lets you have finite space, like it
31:58
Speaker 1: doesn't go on forever without having any sort of edges,
32:02
Speaker 1: because people feel weird about the edge, Like, you know,
32:04
Speaker 1: you can't imagine that coming to a brick wall with
32:06
Speaker 1: a sign on it. This is like the universe ends here,
32:09
Speaker 1: because then you wonder like, well, what's on the other
32:11
Speaker 1: side of the brick? Right? Yeah, Well, yeah, I think
32:14
Speaker 1: you know, that's a little bit of where her mind
32:16
Speaker 1: is coming from, and that you know, she's probably not
32:20
Speaker 1: aware of these ideas about bending of space, So to her,
32:23
Speaker 1: space is just sort of like this infinite emptiness. And
32:27
Speaker 1: so is that a possibility? Could it be that maybe
32:30
Speaker 1: space is not curved but it does have an edge, right,
32:33
Speaker 1: because I think we know that space is not generally curved.
32:37
Speaker 1: We think it's flat. Our local part of space at
32:39
Speaker 1: least is flat, and we think there's enough stuff in
32:42
Speaker 1: the universe to make space generally flat. But yeah, space
32:45
Speaker 1: could be flat, and it could be finite, and it
32:49
Speaker 1: could have an edge. And we don't like the idea
32:52
Speaker 1: of an edge because it's a discontinuity. We have to
32:55
Speaker 1: explain it. What would it be like? But it's not impossible, right,
32:59
Speaker 1: Space can do really weird things and and have edges,
33:02
Speaker 1: Like you know, the event horizon of a black hole
33:04
Speaker 1: is basically like a boundary of space, and so you
33:08
Speaker 1: could come to some boundary and you know, it wouldn't
33:11
Speaker 1: be some like weird thing with like flashing lights and
33:14
Speaker 1: blue stripes or whatever is they would put it in
33:16
Speaker 1: a movie. It would just be like, you know, space
33:19
Speaker 1: does something weird here, so like there just isn't any
33:21
Speaker 1: more space to go into, like you know, the way
33:24
Speaker 1: in a black hole, you can't just move in any
33:26
Speaker 1: direction you want, because space has a single direction you
33:29
Speaker 1: can go in. It could be you come to a
33:31
Speaker 1: point in space where there just is no more space
33:34
Speaker 1: in that direction. It's like coming to the north pole.
33:37
Speaker 1: There is no more northiness to go to. So that
33:41
Speaker 1: is the possibility, is that space could be kind of
33:44
Speaker 1: flat and its curving nows meanings has kind of a volume,
33:48
Speaker 1: and that it does have an edge to it like
33:51
Speaker 1: it does it does end like a blob. It's a possibility.
33:54
Speaker 1: It's not a frequently discuss possibility or a popular possibility
33:58
Speaker 1: among like current cost oologists. There's no like reason for
34:02
Speaker 1: space to have an edge, and so it's not something
34:05
Speaker 1: you need to add to your theory. It's much more
34:07
Speaker 1: natural to just say every point in space is the same,
34:10
Speaker 1: and therefore the universe should be infinite. But it's not
34:13
Speaker 1: against the laws of physics as far as I'm aware,
34:15
Speaker 1: and you know, we imagine the universe having an origin
34:18
Speaker 1: in time. There was a moment in time when things
34:21
Speaker 1: were created and then inflation dot dot dot dot, and
34:25
Speaker 1: so it's not that outlandish to imagine a discontinuity or
34:29
Speaker 1: an edge. Also in space well, and and then her
34:32
Speaker 1: question was sort of like, what's the shape of it? Like,
34:35
Speaker 1: if it is like this and it does have borders,
34:38
Speaker 1: do you think it'd be like a sphere like a potato?
34:41
Speaker 1: Like I think it'd be like a huge question mark,
34:45
Speaker 1: question mark? What would be in the dot? I'll read
34:47
Speaker 1: the dot, Daniel. We're in the dot. We're the dot.
34:52
Speaker 1: That's right, that's my philosophy. No, we have no idea,
34:56
Speaker 1: we have no idea of space as an edge, and
34:58
Speaker 1: if it had an edge with that shape would be
35:01
Speaker 1: I mean, your intuition would say it should be a sphere,
35:03
Speaker 1: because that's the simplest thing, right, But we were just
35:07
Speaker 1: really we're just really don't know how awesome would that
35:09
Speaker 1: be though, to discover the universe had an edge and
35:12
Speaker 1: to map it out and to understand it. You know,
35:15
Speaker 1: if it's not a sphere, then probably it would be
35:17
Speaker 1: like a randomly shaped blob controlled by some like early
35:20
Speaker 1: quantum fluctuations or something crazy. I'm gonna go with banana.
35:23
Speaker 1: I bet it's shape like a banana, and then I'll
35:26
Speaker 1: be justified in all of these discussions about bananas, Daniel,
35:30
Speaker 1: because you knew it the whole time, it wasn't just
35:32
Speaker 1: a random guess that was later proven out to be true.
35:35
Speaker 1: You knew because the universe was speaking to me. It
35:37
Speaker 1: was crying out for, you know, some sort of recognition
35:40
Speaker 1: of its banana. Yeah, and you know, there is another
35:43
Speaker 1: sense in which the universe kind of does have an edge,
35:46
Speaker 1: and that's again just back to like our observable universe.
35:49
Speaker 1: There's only a portion of the universe that we can see.
35:52
Speaker 1: And so if you think about the universe is like
35:55
Speaker 1: the stuff that we can see, everything that's around us
35:57
Speaker 1: that really does have an edge because there's parts of
35:59
Speaker 1: the universe that are so far away that light hasn't
36:02
Speaker 1: had chance to reach us from them, and so we
36:05
Speaker 1: haven't seen them. And because the universe is expanding and
36:09
Speaker 1: that expansion is accelerating faster than the speed of light,
36:13
Speaker 1: we may never see them. And so this sort of
36:15
Speaker 1: like a spherical wall past which we cannot see and
36:20
Speaker 1: past which we may never be able to see or go. Right, Yeah,
36:23
Speaker 1: but that's part of a philosophical wall, isn't it. Or
36:27
Speaker 1: do you think maybe it's the same thing, And let's
36:29
Speaker 1: not get philosophical on the podcast, right, Gosh forbid, we're
36:33
Speaker 1: talking about the universal questions. No, I mean it's not fundamental, right,
36:37
Speaker 1: Like you can imagine that there's a point out there
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Speaker 1: in space beyond which we cannot see, and if we
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Speaker 1: look at that point, we're seeing like the early universe
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Speaker 1: because light is taken forever to get here from there.
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Speaker 1: But it's sort of unsatisfying because there's something recent happening
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Speaker 1: at that point right now. You know, we see old
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Speaker 1: light coming from that point, but you know, stuff's been happening.
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Speaker 1: There's things going on. Alex Scenes are forming alien civilizations,
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Speaker 1: hopefully are inventing cool podcasts. So what we're seeing in
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Speaker 1: that direction, it's always happening now, so we think the
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Speaker 1: universe continues on even though we can only see this aging,
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Speaker 1: observable shell that surrounds us. So in that sense, it's
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Speaker 1: it's observation more than philosophical. All right, Well it sounds
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Speaker 1: like that again. The answer for Eleanor is Daniel doesn't know.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows, Daniel doesn't know, the new name for our podcast,
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Speaker 1: Daniel doesn't know things. Daniel doesn't know. Basically, nobody knows, right,
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Speaker 1: I feel like we don't know at a very fundamental level,
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Speaker 1: Like it could be infinite or it could not be infinite,
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Speaker 1: and there's a big difference between infinity and non infinity.
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Speaker 1: And that's the joy of these questions. That the questions
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Speaker 1: that children ask, the very basic questions, the first questions
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Speaker 1: that come into your mind when you hear about these ideas,
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Speaker 1: those are questions scientists are still asking. So if you're
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Speaker 1: six years old or you're sixty years old and you're
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Speaker 1: on the forefront of cosmology, you're asking the same questions.
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Speaker 1: And that's what makes physics shockingly accessible. I would say
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Speaker 1: that our cluelessness, our lack of progress, makes us accessible.
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Speaker 1: Or if you're six years old and an alien and
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Speaker 1: do have the answers to these questions, please let us
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Speaker 1: know so I can tell eleanor what the answer is.
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Speaker 1: But that's one of the reasons why we wanted to
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Speaker 1: make this show is that we felt like this kind
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Speaker 1: of curiosity is wonderful and it powers scientists in their career,
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Speaker 1: and also it powers children. And we see it in
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Speaker 1: the very youngest children, and we want to nurture it,
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Speaker 1: we want to protect it. Sometimes it feels a little
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Speaker 1: bit fragile, and so in our show, we wanted to
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Speaker 1: encourage this kind of curiosity by showing kids on screen
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Speaker 1: how curious kids can ask questions and how they can
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Speaker 1: find the answers for themselves. And that's why we love
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Speaker 1: the show. That's why we love the show. And if
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Speaker 1: you like a mix of science and kind of corny
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Speaker 1: dad jokes, then hopefully you'll also like the show. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so help us celebrate the release and the premiere, at
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Speaker 1: least the US premiere, and we're still trying to get
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Speaker 1: the show in other countries. But help us celebrate the
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Speaker 1: US premiere of Eleanor. There's why the show that Daniel
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Speaker 1: and I co created. It's for kids. It's about a
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Speaker 1: cute bunny rabbit and her friends about and an elephant
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Speaker 1: and this really beautiful and gentle but also curious and
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Speaker 1: funny world. And it's out now on PBS Kids dot org,
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Speaker 1: slash Eleanor, E l I and o R and also
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Speaker 1: the PBS Kids app, and also on Amazon Prime ppious
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Speaker 1: Kids subscription, and also I think they're posting episodes on
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Speaker 1: the ppous Kids YouTube channel, So there are plenty of
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Speaker 1: ways for you to watch the show, and it's all free,
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Speaker 1: and please help us celebrate and tell your friends, your
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Speaker 1: nieces and nephews and grandkids about the show. We think
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Speaker 1: they'll really enjoy it. That's right. It's a world we
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Speaker 1: created filled with people who are curious, who ask questions,
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Speaker 1: and who find answers to those questions. So if you
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Speaker 1: want to spend half an hour in a gentle world
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Speaker 1: filled with curiosity, please go check it out. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed Eleanor's questions today about the multiverse
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Speaker 1: and about this shape of space at really kind of
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Speaker 1: stretches your mind, right, Daniel, it definitely does. And you know,
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Speaker 1: just because the question comes from a young kid doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean it's easy to answer. As we ran today, those
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Speaker 1: are my favorite questions. We invite Eleanor to a seminar
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Speaker 1: at you see your vines physics department, she'll stump. They're
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Speaker 1: open to the public, so come on in. All right, Well,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, see you next time. Thanks for listening,
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Speaker 1: and remember that Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe is
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