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Normally Podcast: America's 250th, NYC Socialism & the Dangerous Rise of Democratic Socialists · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with
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  Speaker 1: normalis it takes, but when the news gets weird. I
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  Speaker 1: am Mary Cassin Camp and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you, Mary Catherine. I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to America Max. You know, we've been
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  Speaker 1: working on it all summer already, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do some more of it this week. I just told
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  Speaker 1: my kids, because we're leaving town, to go into your
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  Speaker 1: dresser and get everything you own that is red, white
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  Speaker 1: and blue.
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  Speaker 3: I love that we're going to try to you know,
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  Speaker 3: America Fest down here in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say it's definitely more muted than DC.
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  Speaker 3: I was just in Baltimore over the weekend, and even
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  Speaker 3: in Baltimore it's like they are hyped in a way
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  Speaker 3: that it's just it's not quite the same down here.
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  Speaker 3: I'll admit, Florida has this tiny, tiny little flaw.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I would like to see Philly before
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  Speaker 1: the year's out, because Philadelphia is really going to do
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  Speaker 1: it up, so that really it That will be fun
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  Speaker 1: as well, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I guess, so let's again, you know, let's normally
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  Speaker 3: from Philly.
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  Speaker 2: We can do this group trip, can we bring John,
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  Speaker 2: our producer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: So this is not an extra special July fourth episode,
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  Speaker 3: but we are heading into the fourth and communism is
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  Speaker 3: on the march in America and I have a.
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  Speaker 2: Problem with that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. We talked about the elections in Brooklyn last week,
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  Speaker 3: not just in Brooklyn, but in New York City last week,
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  Speaker 3: and some of them are you know, downright scary candidates
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  Speaker 3: who are going to Congress, who say insane things. I
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  Speaker 3: mean it's funny, of course, now the things that they say.
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  Speaker 2: Are really coming out right, Like Chevalier.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently is against interracial marriages. Like wow, that would have
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  Speaker 3: been something to know during the primary. But she's probably
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  Speaker 3: still gonna win. I don't even know if she has
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  Speaker 3: a Republican opponent. Like that's how things are over there.
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  Speaker 1: Some have suggested that a Spayatt should run as an
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  Speaker 1: independent candidate in that race. I'm not sure how that
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  Speaker 1: would work out. He does have a great name ID
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  Speaker 1: and maybe people would go, oh my gosh, what are
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  Speaker 1: we about to do?
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  Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, I'm sure he's already on a third
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  Speaker 3: party line because that's very common in New York. Like
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  Speaker 3: usually you're rutten on two different lines, so I you know,
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  Speaker 3: I can't I can't say for sure. I haven't looked
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  Speaker 3: that up, but I would bet he's already on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, but I'm concerned about this, I really am.
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  Speaker 3: We had a listener named Jesse sent me this story
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  Speaker 3: from Wisconsin and it's about a candidate. You know, progressive
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  Speaker 3: candidates in Wisconsin are running for office there. And she
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  Speaker 3: points out that, you know, in this article there's a
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  Speaker 3: candidate named Rep. Francesca Hang, a Democratic socialist who has
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  Speaker 3: unexpectedly seen a surge of momentum in recent weeks in
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  Speaker 3: a field that lacks a clear frontrunner. This is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a giant issue. This goes on in the heartland. If
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  Speaker 3: this goes on in Wisconsin, where are we going? You know?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't want to tie, you know. I talk
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  Speaker 3: about ant semitism a lot. We talked about end semitism
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  Speaker 3: a lot. To me anti semitism, and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get into the you know what happened to Scott Wiener
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  Speaker 3: in the next segments. It's such just the canary and
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  Speaker 3: the coal mine. It is like, I'm not that concerned
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  Speaker 3: about anti semitism as I am concerned about America as
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  Speaker 3: a whole, and that being the first symptom of a
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  Speaker 3: steep and rapid decline. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you're right, And I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: part of there's a part of me that says, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this doesn't play elsewhere. But you point out Wisconsin, which
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty blue state, but there are many sensible
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  Speaker 1: people within it. I do get worried because here's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think it does us any good to
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  Speaker 1: deny it. Mom, Donnie is very talented. He's very talented.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is he has a bit of that thing
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  Speaker 1: that Trump did when he's like waving from the McDonald's window.
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  Speaker 1: He does fun things.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like.
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  Speaker 1: He's having Believe. Yeah, he looks like he's being himself.
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  Speaker 1: And joy is not a strategy, as we saw with Kamala.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're actually yourself and you're enjoying yourself, it
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  Speaker 1: can communicate well with people. And so I think it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't help us to deny that he has a lot
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  Speaker 1: of talents. Now, the people he's pushing are not nearly
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  Speaker 1: as charismatic as he is. But I think cute communists
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  Speaker 1: doing cute things on social media every now and then
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  Speaker 1: can win over quite a few people because we won't
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  Speaker 1: have as much discussion about that. They don't believe in
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  Speaker 1: interracial marriage, which we'll be talking about the cute things
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  Speaker 1: they did on social media, or at least the media
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  Speaker 1: at large will be doing that. And we've got a
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  Speaker 1: couple generations of an economic illiteracy and ignorance about how
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  Speaker 1: communism fell and how socialism doesn't work. That is work
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  Speaker 1: looking against us. I would love to give basic Economics
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  Speaker 1: by Thomas Soul to every American and like everyone actually
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  Speaker 1: understand that information, because who we can get in the
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  Speaker 1: rent freeze? Next, but let me let's do a clip
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  Speaker 1: of Mumdani first pitching what he thinks, which is that
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  Speaker 1: this can work anywhere?
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  Speaker 4: Can democratic socialist get elected president? I think a democratic
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  Speaker 4: Socialists can get elected anywhere across this country for any position.
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  Speaker 4: What I think we need to bring is a focus
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  Speaker 4: on working.
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  Speaker 2: People and that's the direction that the party should go in.
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  Speaker 4: And in terms of a selecting a candidate for twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty eight, I think the direction that the party should
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  Speaker 4: go in is how best to fight for working people.
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  Speaker 4: I think we need to have a platform and a
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  Speaker 4: vision that doesn't sound as if it was cooked up
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  Speaker 4: by consultants, but instead one that you would say in
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  Speaker 4: response to someone who's asking, why can't I afford my rent?
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  Speaker 4: Why can't I afford my groceries? Why can't I afford
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  Speaker 4: my childcare? We need to make clear who we stand for,
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  Speaker 4: how we're going to stand for them, and that we're
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  Speaker 4: actually willing to fight for them when the going gets tough.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that I believe the Democratic Socialists can win
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  Speaker 3: anywhere I met few years, like with the rise of
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  Speaker 3: Bernie and Bernie Burrows and all that. You know, when
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  Speaker 3: I would say bad things about socialism on X, I get.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of like, oh, are you're afraid of socialism?
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  Speaker 3: You're afraid of like free rent and healthcare and whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I like, totally, Yes, I am actually afraid of all
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  Speaker 3: of these things, and.
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody should be. It is not a blue
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  Speaker 2: state phenomenon.
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  Speaker 3: And I know, you know, I got a lot of
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  Speaker 3: jokes about how amazing Florida is and all of that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was talking to some friends again on
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  Speaker 3: this Baltimore trip this weekend, and who are despondent about
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  Speaker 3: what's going on in New York. And as I'm talking
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  Speaker 3: to them. I'm like, we should be shoring up places
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  Speaker 3: like Florida. We cannot take for granted that this ideology
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  Speaker 3: can't take hold here.
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  Speaker 2: And it is.
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  Speaker 3: Again the left and the right horseshoe thing where they
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  Speaker 3: could easily unite and get enough votes in certain places,
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  Speaker 3: like we've talked about Graham plattn or On here and
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  Speaker 3: Tucker Crawlston, and I believe as a main resident, I
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  Speaker 3: could totally see Tucker Carlson voting for Grand Platinar. I guess,
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  Speaker 3: yeah him. I could see him having him on his show,
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  Speaker 3: and then like the normal part of the country will
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  Speaker 3: be governed by this fringe. And again, the focus on
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  Speaker 3: anti Semitism just kind of obscures how bad it will
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  Speaker 3: be for America, not just for Jews.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and so let's take one policy because mom Donnie says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in office for six months and everybody sees
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  Speaker 1: that everything's going great. Okay, Well, six months in he
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  Speaker 1: stacked the rental governing board with all of his people
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  Speaker 1: so that they would vote for a rent freeze. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was funny. Some lefties are like, we're just doing
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  Speaker 1: this little experiment with rent freezing again. Yeah, let me
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  Speaker 1: give you the book Basic economics.
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  Speaker 2: Let this see what happened.
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  Speaker 1: This has been this has been tried before. It's been
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  Speaker 1: tried before in New York, in the Bronx in the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: And what happens is, obviously, if you cap the price
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  Speaker 1: that landlords can charge, they as inflation goes up, they
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  Speaker 1: have less money for doing the things that the law
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  Speaker 1: requires them to do to do upkeep on these apartments.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't upkeep them. Sometimes the properties become run down,
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  Speaker 1: and as they realize that they can't make a profit
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  Speaker 1: on them, they have to get out. Because if you
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  Speaker 1: can't make a profit on an asset and you're a
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  Speaker 1: small landlord and you end up being underwater on your mortgage,
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  Speaker 1: what happens next. I know that progressives have issues thinking
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  Speaker 1: past the first order of consequences, but they do have
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  Speaker 1: other ones down the line. And so I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: three years from now, when the supply of housing in
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  Speaker 1: New York is lower, when prices are higher, particularly for
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  Speaker 1: market value and outside of the rent freeze, who's he
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  Speaker 1: gonna blame. I guess like capitalism, right, that'll be the
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  Speaker 1: plan capitalists.
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  Speaker 3: Let this happen, and you just hear ideas from his supporters, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you can't afford the upkeep on this
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  Speaker 3: artificial rent number that we've decided to let these you
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  Speaker 3: know you charge, then you can't afford to be a landlord.
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  Speaker 3: And that's true, but who can.
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  Speaker 1: But they also they'll also call you out by name
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  Speaker 1: if you're paying real right prices like uh, like who
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  Speaker 1: was the billionaire that he pointed to his penthouse? Right,
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  Speaker 1: if you're paying the market rate? Uh, they'll get mad
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  Speaker 1: at you for that too, Like they don't want ultra
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  Speaker 1: rich landlords, but.
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  Speaker 2: They also don't don't want, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, the private equity companies coming in and turning it
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  Speaker 3: into a you know, a business that has thousands and
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  Speaker 3: thousands of apartments.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want anything.
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  Speaker 3: They want free stuff, and they want it now well.
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  Speaker 1: And they think that if these buildings fail and the
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  Speaker 1: government takes them over, that then they will get the
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  Speaker 1: free housing. They've all been living in grad school coffee
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  Speaker 1: shops over twenty years, Daria Lisa Chevalier almost literally. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I think she's been in school for fourteen years,
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  Speaker 1: college and then graduate and then postgraduate like several versions
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  Speaker 1: of it. So that's what they think. But where where
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  Speaker 1: is the public housing working super nicely and being very
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  Speaker 1: well maintained.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, nobody wants to live in the projects
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  Speaker 3: is the reality of New York.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, it's bad, it's worrisome.
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel like there's enough of an alarm being
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  Speaker 3: rang about it. And you know, that's what we're here
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  Speaker 3: to do on normally, We're here to say, as America
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  Speaker 3: turns to fifty, let's not keep trying ideas that have
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  Speaker 3: failed over and over and over again and failed spectacular spectacularly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Diana de get is the next target on the
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  Speaker 1: DSA list. Look for that in the Denver area. She
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  Speaker 1: up in till now would have been considered one of
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  Speaker 1: the more progressive members of Congress, but she's been there
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  Speaker 1: for a while, which is actually hit against you in
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  Speaker 1: this environment on the left. Because you have some seniority,
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  Speaker 1: because you have some experience, you must therefore be part
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  Speaker 1: of the establishment that they have to knock off, no
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  Speaker 1: matter how progressive you are. So the nominee there or
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  Speaker 1: the challenger there is me lot Kiros, who's just calmly
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  Speaker 1: in an interview with the local Denver anchor the other
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  Speaker 1: day explaining how nine to eleven was our fault. I
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  Speaker 1: mean's like it's dressed up in some postgrad coffee shop words,
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  Speaker 1: but she's just like, yeah, we brought this on ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like, why is that even controversial?
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  Speaker 3: This whole post truth era is also just a problem
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  Speaker 3: where it doesn't matter what you say. You could say
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want, you could say.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Again, on the right, it's Tucker just says things like
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  Speaker 3: that Israel is responsible for nine to eleven or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and then the next day, when he's asked about something,
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  Speaker 3: he says, I didn't say that, and he would like
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  Speaker 3: literally play the clip and it doesn't matter he didn't
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  Speaker 3: say that, and people buy it. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how we get to the next two hundred fifty years
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  Speaker 3: with Americans just believing conspiracy theories that are completely untrue, unproven.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the idea that America, you know, cause nine
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  Speaker 2: to eleven is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: It's just all around, it's scary, and it does not
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  Speaker 3: portend well for our future. If these people gain a
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  Speaker 3: foothold and gain control and grow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a clip going around of Chevalier saying what
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  Speaker 1: we need is a mentality of people over profit, like
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  Speaker 1: sounds nice at the beginning, Right, You can't tell me
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  Speaker 1: there is no money for schools, there's no money to
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  Speaker 1: address childhood property, there's no money to address this housing crisis,
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  Speaker 1: while voting time and time again to send billions to
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  Speaker 1: a war machine to a country that's currently enacting a genocide.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, genocide has an actual definition. I know
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  Speaker 1: they don't observe that has one fact wrong. There's also
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  Speaker 1: the idea that New York City doesn't spend money on schools.
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  Speaker 1: New York City has a forty three billion dollar school system.
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  Speaker 1: It is, you know, rife with problems and administrative staff
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  Speaker 1: who are paid out the wazoo. They spend forty k
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  Speaker 1: a year or more on each student, which is a
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  Speaker 1: very nice private school education in most parts of the country.
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  Speaker 2: Like Way Way way more than in most parts.
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  Speaker 1: Of the country, and twenty eight to twenty nine percent
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  Speaker 1: of students test proficient in math and reading on the
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  Speaker 1: National report CARDE. So she doesn't know anything, yea. Also
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  Speaker 1: the fraction that we send to other countries for aid
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  Speaker 1: versus what we do for social welfare programs in our
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  Speaker 1: own countries. She doesn't know that either, right, making it up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then there's you know, the whole thing with
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  Speaker 3: when we talked about this a little bit, but Elon
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  Speaker 3: Musk could sell World Hunger with six point six billion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a story today that's circulating that Jeff Bezos
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  Speaker 3: ex wife Mackenzie Scott has given over twenty six billion.
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  Speaker 2: Dollars to charity.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm rounding down because you can't even mention that
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  Speaker 3: the twenty six billion, three hundred million to charity. So
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  Speaker 3: that's already quite a bit. And somehow we still have
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  Speaker 3: world hunger, and somehow we still have all the problems.
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  Speaker 3: But Elon Musk is killing kids by the billions because
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  Speaker 3: he is a trillionaire, and because he used DOGE to
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  Speaker 3: cut USAID programs, the money is being misspent. That's the
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  Speaker 3: other part of communism. It's that the money that you
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  Speaker 3: do have goes to corruption. And that's the way it's
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  Speaker 3: been and that's the way it is. And all of
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  Speaker 3: these charities, everybody knows they don't do anything. Everybody knows
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  Speaker 3: that they're like just a scam largely. And if she
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  Speaker 3: can't solve it with twenty six billion, who's solving it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Also, you have entitlement to how other people spend
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  Speaker 1: their money's I mean, that's the fundamental thing, right, is
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  Speaker 1: that first of all, Americans are great at charitable giving,
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  Speaker 1: They are great at volunteering. Let's not again, being a
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  Speaker 1: progressive requires that you just ignore all of this about
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  Speaker 1: the American character. But yeah, yeah, the American people don't
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  Speaker 1: want to give you all their money involuntarily for whatever
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  Speaker 1: random thing you want to do. And the problem with
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  Speaker 1: socialism is that it is at its heart it must
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  Speaker 1: be compulsion. You must be part of the ideology even
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  Speaker 1: if you don't want to be, and your stuff will
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  Speaker 1: be part of the ideology with no thought to like
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  Speaker 1: spending it effectively or actually fixing problems.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, note to communism, Yes, to everything that's made America
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  Speaker 3: great over the last two hundred and fifty years. It
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't be hard, can I say?
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  Speaker 1: Also, I do think it's probably helpful to have people
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  Speaker 1: like you, other immigrants who have lived in repressive societies
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  Speaker 1: under socialism and communism in the past, to speak about
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  Speaker 1: this because and I also think the World Cup experience
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  Speaker 1: from Europeans that we keep talking about is helpful because
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  Speaker 1: it shows you what the things are that we take
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  Speaker 1: for granted. We are an incredibly prosperous nation. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: come from nowhere. I know Chevalier thinks it comes from
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  Speaker 1: the grad school coffee shop.
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  Speaker 2: It does not.
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  Speaker 1: Those people are actually just costing a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: It gets created elsewhere, and it gives us all these
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  Speaker 1: things on our doorstep. And so to be reminded of
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  Speaker 1: that is very important, and to be reminded of about
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  Speaker 1: it by people who suffered under these regimes is very
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  Speaker 1: important as well.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we're going to take a short break and
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  Speaker 3: come right back with more on Normally. We are back
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  Speaker 3: on Normally where an incident over the last few days
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  Speaker 3: has really captured the imagination of the internet. Scott Wiener,
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  Speaker 3: he is running for Nancy Pelosi's seat in California, was
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  Speaker 3: harassed at as March and so just so people know,
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  Speaker 3: Scott Wiener is one of the most leftist members of
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  Speaker 3: the California State Senate. He votes incredibly left on everything. Recently,
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  Speaker 3: he was asked to call what's going on in Gaza
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  Speaker 3: or what happened in Gaza a genocide. He incorrectly, you know,
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  Speaker 3: leaned into it and said it was a genocide. He
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  Speaker 3: will do whatever the left wants, and yet this is
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  Speaker 3: his second such accosting over the last week, where the
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  Speaker 3: first one was. He was in a restaurant and same thing.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, say free Palestine, and it did his credit.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't say it, which is almost surprising because I
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: think like the Bradlanders of the world would be like
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: free Palestine, of course, like they would just you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: give in. He didn't give in, and then this happened
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: to him at the trans march.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It's really.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: A long it's a long clip, so we're going to
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: cut it off somewhere in the middle. But this person
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: is that shit. Okay, here we go, Scott.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: I think your legislation on trans on trans issues, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: your legislation specifically protecting queers on the sex offender Registry
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: is fantastic, Like I really applaud you for that, and
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: I think you deserve to be here for that. But
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: I think you're leg I think you're you're housing policy
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: and specifically your housing policy aligning with Gimbi's. And I
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: think your your policy, and I think your policy on
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: the genocide and PASA. I think your policy on the
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: genocide and LASA it's terrible.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I think you do not belong here.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: I think you do not belong here. You do not
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: belong here.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: It's ty anymore.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: It sucks because you've been wonderful, You've been wonderful.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: For trans people.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Then you've been terrible.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: When you've been terrible, you've been terrible.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: You've been terrible.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: On God's right, you did not go on here anymore,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Scot like fucking hart.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: It's insane. Other people join in real madness of crowds moment,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and Scott Wiener just keeps walking and you could see he's,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously affected by it. It's it's a crazy
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: people verbally and apparently also physically assaulting him. You know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: can't see that in the video.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: It's tough to watch. I would say that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I you know, it's not that I feel he deserves it,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: but I have a hard time feeling sorry for somebody
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: who let this go on for so long. This happened
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: to conservatives over and over again, and people on the
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: left didn't say a word. Our friend polymath on X says,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: this is such an interesting scissor moment. Is it bad
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: that Scott Wiener is being verbally and physically assaulted for
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: participating in an ostensibly non political event? Oh yeah, yes
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: it is that's very bad. But this has been happening
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: to the people Scott hates for close to a decade,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and Scott has encouraged it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: The best option.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Would be to stop it completely, but we all know
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: that if we stop it for Scott, he will simply
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: tell everyone to do it to his political enemies. Oh well,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: it sucks that we have eroded the norms that are
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: necessary for a functional society. Have fun with that, Scott.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I hope no one treats you as badly as you've
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: encouraged people to treat your political enemies.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Sort of where I am here.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do think it is hard to watch,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and it's scary to see. The person who starts this
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: is You can you can feel him trying to save
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: himself as well, because he ramps up as soon as
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the crowd comes in and focuses on something completely different,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: because that's the issue on which they demand submission rights.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: He's saying, you know, regrettably, I disagree with you on
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: these things, and then he starts debaelling genocide at this man.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Perhaps this is a lesson for others who you are
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: as far left as you can possibly get. Wien or
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is as far left as you can possibly get. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: he has done all the things, as you note, he's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: put it in writing, all the things they want to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: see on Palestine. I actually am also surprised he didn't
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: just say the thing when he was faced with the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: mob that way, this is not going to stop.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he knows.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Also he's being targeted like this because he is Jewish.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: On the left, he already agrees with everything.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: What else could there be and it is because he's Jewish?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: What is the issue?
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Would you say, just say right, yes, yes, this is.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: With mcdonni's wife, who endorsed two of the three candidates,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: but not the Jewish candidate who agrees with her on everything.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like okay, right exactly. I think again,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Jews on the left have to really check themselves. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I see liberal friends, liberal Jewish friends posting to their
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: social media like you know this, this is happening on
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: both sides, and it's so terrifying, and I keep saying
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: like it's not actually happening on both sides. I believe me.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I'm very concerned about the fringe right and how crazy
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: they're getting, and that they'll grow, and you know, all
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of that is very very concerning. But as I pointed out,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: you know, New York had more physical attacks against Jews
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and all of the Red States combined, And everybody immediately
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: starts looking for reasons for that, like, oh, there are
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: more Jews. No, they're not, just you have to like
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: even by per capita, it's a problem. They Jews get
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: attacked in blue areas far more than in red. This
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: is something that is happening, and Jews on the left
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: cannot protect themselves by pretending it's not. Ben Shapiro also
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: had something similar to say about Scott Wiener. He said,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: no one more richly deserves this humiliation than Scott Wiener,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: who learns the hard lesson that you can be a
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: militant for trans radicalism, a full scale Israel hater, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: an all around moral derelict and the hard left will
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: still yell at you for being a Jew. Ten out
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: of ten, No notes.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's quite disturbed to watch, just as it wasn't twenty
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: twenty when people did the BLM lift your fist thing
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to people at restaurants. I just hate this kind of behavior,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and the left is pretty into it, and this is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the way it's being directed now. And I just don't there,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of course, about a lot of other things. I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that the main thing is just political power and compulsion.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But you cannot deny that this movement is animated by
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: this issue. And when you see the most passion which
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you used to see for like climate, and they're like, nah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: we're done with that. We're just yelling at people about
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a genocide that does not match the definition of genocide.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: That's what we're doing most passionately now, right.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: The cause has really become one cause, one cause.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna take a short break and be
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: right back with more on normally.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: All right, We are back on normally, And it is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the weak of the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: this amazing country. And we did something on the big
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: weekend show when I was on Fox this week where
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: we talked about what historic moment in American history you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: would like to have been there to witness. So I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: was wondering, Carol, what would yours be? And feel free
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to cheat and have several because I definitely did.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: It look very tough. It's tough, you know. My first
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: instinct was end of the Revolutionary War. You're about to
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: build something. You don't know how it's going to turn out.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: It's all very tenuous. You don't know if the country's
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: going to last at all. You don't know if Britain's
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: not going to come back and you know, take over again,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and you have no idea what's going to happen, but
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: there's so much promise and possibility. I just that was
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: my first thought, and then my second one was and
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this one might be a little unusual, but Ronald Reagan's
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: reelection nineteen eighty four, the idea that nine states voted
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: for one guy, it's hard to wrap my mind around.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I've my entire adult life has been in a very
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: divided country. I would say that the first election I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: really paid attention to was the election of two thousand
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and that, you know, came down to a few votes
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in Florida. And that's how I've seen elections throughout my
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: you know again, entire adult life.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: The idea of a.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Landslide like that where the country is so united kind
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: of would love to see that.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good one, because I was like
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: barely sentient that year, and so I don't remember it
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: having any sort of impact. I just, in fact, my
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: main memory from back then is because I lived in
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Tobacco Road, where it's all basketball all the time, I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: was confused about who the president was because Mike Krzyzewski,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Jim Valvano, and Ronald Reagan were all on TV all
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the time, and they all had the care it could
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be any one of those three. I was like, they're
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: all very important. I know that two of them.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I have a brother named Ronald who was born in
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two, so it was a big deal in
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: my household when I was very young, But it was
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: still like just Ronald Reagan was everything.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That's a great one. I have a couple one I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: would even though it's very cold and very hard, like
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to be there on Christmas for the crossing of the Delaware.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Like I want to stand back and watch them kick,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure I want to be like super.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Another thing that's interesting about thinking through American history as
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I was doing this is how many of these moments
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: require so much bravery and sheer physical stamina to be
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: part of. Like to actually be there would have been
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: so cold, so horrify, so scary. I'm just like, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: just kind of want to float above and observe, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: it would be nice to see that surprise attack. Number
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: two for me was to watch Booker T. Washington build
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Tuskegee Institute with his students with their literal hands in
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: American South, against all odds and create something that still
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: exists and has this legacy another place where you would
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: have required extreme bravery, right physical stamina to do a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: very simple thing that you weren't allowed to do in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: many places in the US, and that would have been
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: very cool. And then my last one was because I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: got a shout out my home stayed in North Carolina.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Two guys from Ohio coming down to the beach to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: make humans fly.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: That's so good. We're such a baking going.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: That's a cool one. And I do have to give
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: credit to the Ohio guys because you know, North Carolina's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: license plates has first in flight, but Ohio's think about
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it because the right brothers were from Ohio and their
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: shop was in Ohio and their research was done there.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But we had the wind baby. Yeah, yeah, so I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind that trip to the beach.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh man, that's good. That's a good one. Those
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: are all great. I think, you know, we have. We
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: really have an amazing thing. I think the World Cup
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: tourists have brought that into focus for a lot of us, like, wow,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: we really have something good. And the air conditioning. Let's
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: not discount the air conditioning.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: It's very important. It's going to be very hot this week,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: so as moms, we must tell you to hydrate and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: put on your sunscreen. We have the tools, we have IC,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: we have ice, and it's very beautiful that this country
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: is unified in using both of those things. And let's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: not let this other mindset creep in at all.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: That's right, God bless America. Happy fourth of July. Here's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to two hundred and fifty more.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, have a good one.