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The Kenny Report | 1 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of nonsense and some substance on the campaign trail today,
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  Speaker 2: as the leaders agree to go head to head for
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  Speaker 2: a Sky News People's forum next week. Malcolm Turbul reckons
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  Speaker 2: he knows what to do about orcus and submarines, but remember.
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  Speaker 1: He was the boke who gave us snowy two point zero.
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  Speaker 2: With the energy debate front and center, Labor is sticking
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  Speaker 2: with its failed plan and I'll speak with a visiting
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  Speaker 2: Canadian nuclear expert.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cross to Christian Take two.
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  Speaker 2: In the US, as Donald Trump prepares to announce a
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  Speaker 2: raft of new tariffs that could hurt Australia. All that
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  Speaker 2: plus Nazi slurs directed at former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack,
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  Speaker 2: current Nationals leader David Little Prowd joins me live, Tim Blair,
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  Speaker 2: Susio O'Brien and Stephen Smi Tempo two. Peter Dutton has
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  Speaker 2: made a big play in Victoria today, announcing he will
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  Speaker 2: scrap Canberra's four billion dollars of funding for the Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Labor Government's controversial suburban rail loop. Instead, he'll back the
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  Speaker 2: rail link to the airport and pump more money into
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  Speaker 2: Victorian road projects.
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  Speaker 3: We're not going to continue with the suburban rail loop
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  Speaker 3: because it's a two hundred million dollar pipe dream and
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  Speaker 3: just cid Roland and Anthony Albanesi and the CFMAU are
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  Speaker 3: the only ones that are in favor of it.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the opposition leader seizing the election agenda
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  Speaker 2: and it all spark our prolonged debate in Victoria over
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  Speaker 2: coming weeks where the state Labor government is on the
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  Speaker 2: nose and infrastructure stuff ups have been all too common.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton's four A came hot on the heels of his
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  Speaker 2: pub test in Brisbane last night, where he drew a
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  Speaker 2: sharp distinction with Labor over preferences and the Greens.
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  Speaker 4: They have a radical agenda otherwise, which is about everything
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  Speaker 4: but the environment.
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  Speaker 1: So no, they will go last for us.
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  Speaker 4: The Prime Minister, as each of his predecessors has done,
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  Speaker 4: will take the preferences, will give the Greens preferences ahead
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  Speaker 4: of us, and I think Australians see that it's a
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  Speaker 4: giant conjob because the Greens and the Labor Party are
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  Speaker 4: joined at the hip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the pub test was a great TV.
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  Speaker 2: It was a friendly environment on home turf for the
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  Speaker 2: opposition leader, but he made it count as he raised
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  Speaker 2: the stakes.
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  Speaker 4: Ultimately, the election is going to be about who do
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  Speaker 4: you trust to manage the economy, Who do you trust
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  Speaker 4: to address cost of living pressures and to bring inflation down?
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  Speaker 4: Who do you trust in this election to keep us
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  Speaker 4: safe and to keep our country secure in a very
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  Speaker 4: uncertain time. Who do you trust to provide young Australians
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  Speaker 4: with the hope of home ownership again and restoring that dream.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe that.
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  Speaker 4: We can win that contest, and I think for the
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  Speaker 4: future of our country we must Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And today Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanez he confirmed that
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  Speaker 2: they'll join the Sky News People's Forum next Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 2: a week from today. This event will be held in
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  Speaker 2: Western Sydney in front of an audience of undecided voters.
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  Speaker 2: It's likely to be a pivotal exchange in a tight
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  Speaker 2: election campaign. Meanwhile, the Reserve Bank met today and left
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  Speaker 2: interest rates on hold. It said they didn't even discuss
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  Speaker 2: the option of dropping the rates, further citing economic uncertainty.
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  Speaker 2: As for the Prime Minister, while he was onto the
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  Speaker 2: big issue of whether Peter Dutton should live in the
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  Speaker 2: Lodge or Kirabilly if he becomes prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: Now, we had an announcement yesterday from Peter Dutton that
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  Speaker 5: this Queensland who is going to be the prime minister
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  Speaker 5: for Sydney as well because there he is measure out
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  Speaker 5: the curtains at Kirabilly.
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  Speaker 6: I'll give you in the tip. Working from home.
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  Speaker 5: Is what he says is against Well, the office is
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  Speaker 5: in Canberra Parliament House.
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  Speaker 6: Is can I live in Canberra?
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  Speaker 1: Spare me?
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  Speaker 2: We know labor is stuck in the camera bubble. That's
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  Speaker 2: kind of the point, Okay. Lots of craziness on the
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  Speaker 2: campaign trail, mixed up with just a little substance, as
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned, and the Teals and their double standards were
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  Speaker 2: again on full display with revelations they're candidate for Bradfield
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  Speaker 2: on Sydney's North Shore. Had to apologize for a sexualized remark.
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  Speaker 7: I'm outside Nicolette Boller's campaign office in Gordon on Sydney's
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  Speaker 7: Low and North Shore. It's directly almost across the road
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  Speaker 7: from the hair salon at the center of the sex
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  Speaker 7: joke scandal. Envy Salon employees did not want to speak
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  Speaker 7: on camera, but a staff member confirmed Miss Boller had
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  Speaker 7: recently been banned over the remarks made after the teenage
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  Speaker 7: apprentice had washed her hair.
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  Speaker 8: She allegedly said that amazing, and I didn't even have
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  Speaker 8: sex with you.
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  Speaker 7: A staff member told me of the apprentice, she's okay.
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  Speaker 7: She obviously wasn't shock by it. In a statement to
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  Speaker 7: miss Boller said, it was a poor attempted humor and
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  Speaker 7: I've apologized.
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  Speaker 2: The things they get up to when they pop in
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  Speaker 2: for a blow dry. Just imagine if this episode involved
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  Speaker 2: a liberal male candidate, you'd probably have resigned by now.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of resignations, there was some good news today involving
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  Speaker 2: the renegade Victorian Senator Lydia Thorpe. She of the unruly
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  Speaker 2: protests during royal visits. She of the unruly protests in
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  Speaker 2: the Senate Chamber. She of the unruly protests rolling around
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  Speaker 2: the Parliament House lawns. She of the unruly protests after
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  Speaker 2: getting kicked out of the strip club. There's other episodes,
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  Speaker 2: but you get the idea.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Today, Senator Thorpe look to social media to announce that
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  Speaker 2: all the criticism of her on social media had convinced
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  Speaker 2: her to quit. To stand down, stand down from her
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  Speaker 2: position as a senator. Unfortunately, of course, this was an
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  Speaker 2: April Fall's Day joke, so that's a pity.
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  Speaker 1: Taxpayers will still cough.
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  Speaker 2: Up about three hundred thousand dollars a year to fund
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  Speaker 2: Thorpe's unruling nonsense, and that's no joke.
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  Speaker 1: At all this April Fall's Day.
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  Speaker 2: The real joke is on taxpayers, or at least anyone
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  Speaker 2: who relies on electricity or has to pay an electricity
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  Speaker 2: bill because the renewable energy zealots remain in their fantasy land.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, you could say, the wind doesn't always blow and
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  Speaker 9: the sun doesn't always shine.
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  Speaker 10: Well, the rain doesn't always fall.
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  Speaker 9: Either, but we manage to store the water. We can
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  Speaker 9: store the renewable energy if we have the investment, and
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  Speaker 9: that is investment that has been lacking for the last decade.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The bad news is that Chris Bowen was serious in
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  Speaker 2: that clip. It had all the credibility of an April
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  Speaker 2: Fool's joke, but he's serious.
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  Speaker 1: He reckons we can.
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  Speaker 2: Store electricity like we store water, completely ignoring the massive
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  Speaker 2: cost of batteries and the fact that they can never
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  Speaker 2: store enough electricity for long enough to firm up renewables.
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  Speaker 1: And his solution, after the hundreds of billions of.
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  Speaker 2: Dollars being spent on renewables has pushed up prices, his
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  Speaker 2: solution is to spend more money, more money on the
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  Speaker 2: same policy, and yet he reckons that will bring prices down.
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  Speaker 2: Do the same thing but expect the opposite result.
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  Speaker 1: What madness.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Labour promised electricity price cuts based on its modeling.
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  Speaker 5: This is the most comprehensive modeling ever done for any
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  Speaker 5: policy by any opposition in Australia's history since federation.
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  Speaker 2: And now with power prices at unprecedented levels rising by
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  Speaker 2: more than three times the amount they were supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be cut, and with no sign of price reductions in
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  Speaker 2: the future, Labor is disowning the same modeling it built
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  Speaker 2: its policy and promises on.
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  Speaker 6: It's reputexas modeling.
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  Speaker 5: It's reputexas model co ownership of that modeling. It's reputexas
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  Speaker 5: modeling from that time. It's reputexas modeling based upon the
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  Speaker 5: circumstances at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is serious. This is not politics. This is
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  Speaker 2: the future of our nation. This is planning to ensure
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  Speaker 2: we have reliable supplies of electricity and affordable electricity.
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  Speaker 1: You know to run our homes, our.
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  Speaker 2: Schools, our hospitals, our factories, our entire society. And last
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  Speaker 2: night the Climate and Energy Minister too walked away from
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  Speaker 2: this modeling well.
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  Speaker 9: Nob because of twenty twenty five, not twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 9: And that was modeling done in twenty twenty one for
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  Speaker 9: a twenty twenty two election. It was the model the
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  Speaker 9: impact of our policies for the twenty twenty two election.
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  Speaker 9: We're now going to the twenty twenty five election. You
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  Speaker 9: don't go to every election with exactly the same policy documents.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is alarming because Labor has no new modeling.
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  Speaker 2: It's old modeling was wrong so far out that instead
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  Speaker 2: of prices going down by two hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year, they went up by one thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Dollars or more a year.
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  Speaker 2: So of course that modeling is ditched. It's rubbish, it's
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  Speaker 2: been debunked. But Labour has no new modeling. So Labour's
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  Speaker 2: power price modeling is cooked. Prices have skyrocketed and reliability
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  Speaker 2: has fallen. Yet Labor wait for it, Labour's plan for
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  Speaker 2: our electricity grid is exactly the same as it was
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  Speaker 2: under that old discredited modeling. They are still going ahead
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  Speaker 2: with exactly the s aime failed plan. Just incredible, just
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  Speaker 2: national energy self harm and have a listen to the
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  Speaker 2: lies they tell to try to justify their obsession.
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  Speaker 9: Let me make a couple of brief but important points, Sarah. Firstly,
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  Speaker 9: new transmission is necessary regardless of how the energy is generated,
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  Speaker 9: whether it's coal, gas, nuclear, or renewables.
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  Speaker 1: No, that is a lie.
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  Speaker 2: It is the renewables plan that needs all the new
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  Speaker 2: transmission lines, and he knows it. More than one hundred
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars needs to be spent on transmission lines to
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  Speaker 2: connect the hundreds of new wind farms and solar factories
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  Speaker 2: under Labour's renewables plan. That's a large part of what
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  Speaker 2: drives up power prices because every dollar spent on transmission
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  Speaker 2: is guaranteed a certain rate of return, a certain profit,
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  Speaker 2: and new transmission lines generally are not needed for gas
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  Speaker 2: plants or new plants. They can be built alongside of
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  Speaker 2: or at the end of existing transmission lines.
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  Speaker 1: That's a large part of their benefit.
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  Speaker 2: They plug into the existing compact electricity grid. Labour's renewables
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  Speaker 2: plan turns the whole Eastern Seaboard into a vast and
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  Speaker 2: disperse grid of transmission and generation networks, blighting landscapes, increasing
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  Speaker 2: costs and decreasing reliability our energy. Self harm cannot continue.
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  Speaker 2: We are undermining our entire economy and society. Clearly it
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  Speaker 2: will continue if Labour is re elected despite its failures.
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  Speaker 1: It is doubling down on the same plan.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of self harm, former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull spoke
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  Speaker 2: at the Press Club today, again focusing on national security,
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  Speaker 2: again seething that his plan to by submarines from France
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  Speaker 2: was trumped by Orcus, and again claiming that everyone has
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  Speaker 2: no idea except him. In particular, he said both Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton and Anthony Albaneasy were silly to have faith in
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  Speaker 2: the Orcus subs deal.
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  Speaker 11: Neither of them have any plan to take account of it.
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  Speaker 11: In other words, there's no recognition of this very high
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  Speaker 11: risk that in the next decade and much of the
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  Speaker 11: one after, will have no submarines at all. So speculating
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  Speaker 11: on whether Trump likes Orcus or not is pointless.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'd ask you this, why would anyone listen to
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  Speaker 2: his advice about defense procurement, which seems to be his
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  Speaker 2: latest hobby, because his previous hobby was renewable energy and
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  Speaker 2: what he gave the nation was snowy two point zero.
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  Speaker 12: Remember this, I am a nation building Prime Minister, believe me,
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  Speaker 12: and this is a nation building project. These are big
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  Speaker 12: in these mountains, real courage, a belief in the future,
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  Speaker 12: a confidence in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Now a cross between the Marlboro Man and the man
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  Speaker 2: from Snowy River. Turnbull announced this in twenty seventeen as
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  Speaker 2: a two billion dollar project that should be storing hydro
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  Speaker 2: electricity and feeding it back into the grid from twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just check in on that it is three
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  Speaker 1: years overdue. Already.
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  Speaker 2: Tunnel boring machines have been stuck for months on end
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  Speaker 2: and have been so much in action on and off,
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  Speaker 2: including a recent shutdown over safety concerns. A fourth tunneling
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  Speaker 2: machine is on order to try to rescue the project.
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  Speaker 1: The cost has.
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  Speaker 2: Blown out to at least twenty billion dollars, possibly more,
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  Speaker 2: and it won't be operational anytime before twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: If ever.
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  Speaker 2: The scorecard at the moment is that this project has
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  Speaker 2: run over budget by at least tenfold and its timeline
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  Speaker 2: for construction has at least doubled, probably tripled the initial
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  Speaker 2: five year plan. So you have to ask if this
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  Speaker 2: is Turnbull's record for his last big idea. Who would
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  Speaker 2: trust his advice on what to do about submarines. Let's
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  Speaker 2: bring in the Nationals leader David little Proud, who joins
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  Speaker 2: us from Mackay in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, David.
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  Speaker 2: I want to backtrack a little bit to where you
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  Speaker 2: were yesterday afternoon because you're in western Queensland where those
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  Speaker 2: floods are causing enormous damage. Give us an update on
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  Speaker 2: the situation there and tell us what needs to be
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  Speaker 2: done by the federal government.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Well, look we think in Faga Minda that we thought
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  Speaker 13: the river was going to peak last night. We don't
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  Speaker 13: think it's going to peak until tomorrow. It was the
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  Speaker 13: last report I got. The nineteen seventy four record is
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  Speaker 13: six point seventy five meters. It's already that and looks
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  Speaker 13: as I could peak at seven point three meters. Yesterday
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  Speaker 13: when Peter Dutton and I were there, they actually started
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  Speaker 13: to evacuate the evacuation center which is at the Council depot,
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  Speaker 13: to move everyone up to the airport. We're in uncharted territories,
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  Speaker 13: but I got to say the mayor out there, Attractor Ferguson,
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  Speaker 13: has done an amazing job and it's just about keeping
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  Speaker 13: everybody safe. And the Premiere in Queensland has lent into
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  Speaker 13: Western queens And the way that he did for cyclone Alfred,
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  Speaker 13: and he's made sure that every resource is available. He's
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  Speaker 13: made sure that local procurement is the first and foremost effort,
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  Speaker 13: but the Australian Defense Force is on standby. In the
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  Speaker 13: first instance, that's probably large haydrops into places like Fargo
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  Speaker 13: to then get choppers out onto stations to keep cattle
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  Speaker 13: alive when they're up on sandhills. So we're a little
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  Speaker 13: bit fortunate that it's not as cold as what it
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  Speaker 13: was in twenty nineteen with the cold front coming through,
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  Speaker 13: but there is real animal welfare concerns here.
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  Speaker 10: The Premier has given me every.
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  Speaker 13: Assurance that as soon as they meet a capacity point,
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  Speaker 13: the ADF is ready to go, and he's.
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  Speaker 10: Made that very clear.
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  Speaker 13: And I think it's also about just in the immediacy
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  Speaker 13: of keeping the people.
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  Speaker 10: Tharguminto about two hundred and twenty people.
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  Speaker 13: They're safe and I've got to tell you spirits were
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  Speaker 13: still high because of the leadership of Tractor and also
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  Speaker 13: some of the other mayors that have also been here.
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  Speaker 13: I saw the town of Adel, basically twenty seven people.
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  Speaker 13: They lost everything, mate, and they were within a matter
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  Speaker 13: of minutes of losing their lives, and Peter and I
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  Speaker 13: went out there to announce that we will put a
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  Speaker 13: new weather radar out there so that they do have
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  Speaker 13: the information. They've lost all communication with anybody in the world.
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  Speaker 13: They knew nothing about what was coming, but they saved
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  Speaker 13: themselves and because of the heroics of a couple of
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  Speaker 13: locals and the local policemen. For the grace of God,
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  Speaker 13: we would have seen some fatalities out there.
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  Speaker 10: So pretty haring stuff.
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  Speaker 13: But the devastation will be known probably in the next
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  Speaker 13: week or two when waters are aside and we can
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  Speaker 13: count those stock losses.
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  Speaker 2: Good to hear that those defense defence assets are ready
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  Speaker 2: to go when they can be used properly. I want
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  Speaker 2: to come back to the economy, and the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 2: today announced that interest rates will stay on hold. Here
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  Speaker 2: is what the governor had to say.
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  Speaker 14: We've come a long way, and it hasn't been easy,
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  Speaker 14: but we have made good progress on bringing inflation down
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  Speaker 14: and keeping unemployment low. This is a good position for
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  Speaker 14: the economy to be in as we approach a period
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  Speaker 14: of uncertainty, but we have to be careful not to
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  Speaker 14: get ahead of ourselves. Inflation pressures remain and cost of
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  Speaker 14: living pressures are still very real for many Australians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, David Little Proud.
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  Speaker 2: With these inflation fears are still around all the elections,
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  Speaker 2: spending isn't going to help.
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  Speaker 13: Well, We've been measured and what we've said is we
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  Speaker 13: want immediate support, not something that is on delay for
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  Speaker 13: fifteen months or seventy cents in fifteen months that costs
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  Speaker 13: seventeen billion dollars six billion dollars in something that actually
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  Speaker 13: also helps to put downward pressure on inflation by helping
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  Speaker 13: the trad sport industry as well in running their costs down.
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  Speaker 13: So we've been very measured around that. We're going to
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  Speaker 13: continue to be very measured. We just can't but we
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  Speaker 13: just can't keep kicking the nation's problems down the road.
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  Speaker 13: In your EDITORI you talk about the renewable race, the
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  Speaker 13: all renewable race that we have that's going to cost
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  Speaker 13: this nation a lot more than having an energy mix.
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  Speaker 13: In fact, our energy grid is going to cost two
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  Speaker 13: hundred and sixty three billion dollars less, which means you
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  Speaker 13: have to pay that pay less back into the future.
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  Speaker 13: What we've got to do is have the courage to
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  Speaker 13: say we've got to face into the problems of the
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  Speaker 13: nation is facing at the moment, not kicking it down
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  Speaker 13: and trying to pay per over the cracks.
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  Speaker 10: With now over.
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  Speaker 13: Seven billion dollars in electricity rebates, this government's given to
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  Speaker 13: try and meet that two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction.
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  Speaker 13: What we're saying is we're going to fix the grid
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  Speaker 13: in the short term, that's bring gasing in the In
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  Speaker 13: the medium term, that's transitioning some of our coal fighter
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  Speaker 13: powered assets across the nucle energy and if you have
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  Speaker 13: that mixed grid, it's two hundred and sixty three billion
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  Speaker 13: dollars cheap. And what upsets are and upsets me Jim
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  Speaker 13: Chalmers and Anthony Albanesi is saying our energy grid costs
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  Speaker 13: six hundred billion.
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  Speaker 10: It doesn't.
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  Speaker 13: Frontier Economics has put it just over three hundred and
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  Speaker 13: thirty billion, and they say that it's only four percent
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  Speaker 13: of the grid. Frontier Economics, again an independent body, not
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  Speaker 13: Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albaneze and Chris Bowen have put
• 19:17
  Speaker 13: it at thirty eight percent of the grid. So we're
• 19:19
  Speaker 13: replacing baseload power with common sense. And that's the courage
• 19:23
  Speaker 13: you're going to need of a government, not to keep
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: spending your money on paper out of the cracks, but
• 19:27
  Speaker 13: other courage to say enough's enough.
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: We're going to fix these problems.
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: We've been blessed with all our resources and we'll fix
• 19:32
  Speaker 13: them with common sense and courage. And that's why a
• 19:35
  Speaker 13: Duarton Little Proud government will do.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, David, appreciate it, David Little Proud
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: there in Mackay and Coeensland. On the transition to nuclear
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the debate that is central to the election campaign, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: thought it would be worth catching up with a visiting
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Canadian expert on this topic. Tracy Primo has had a
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: lifelong career in nuclear energy as a plant operator, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: she now sits on the board of Ontario Generation in Canada.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Given the similar between the Australian and Canadian economies, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: asked her whether she found it incongruous that nuclear energy
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: is actually illegal in Australia.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, it sure is.
• 20:11
  Speaker 15: You know, I've grown up in a nuclear family, A
• 20:14
  Speaker 15: nuclear town and a nuclear country. So it's been feeding
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: my family for over fifty years. And I do struggle
• 20:22
  Speaker 15: with the band here in Australia because we have so
• 20:24
  Speaker 15: much in common in so many other ways. You know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 15: our history, our history of colonization and being a Commonwealth country,
• 20:31
  Speaker 15: and our story with indigenous people. So yeah, I do
• 20:35
  Speaker 15: struggle with the band here in Australia, and I'm happy
• 20:36
  Speaker 15: to talk to anyone and try to change their mind
• 20:39
  Speaker 15: about it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Australia and Canada are very similar in many ways.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: You have a lot of renewable energy resources in Canada
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: as well a lot of hydroelectricity in some parts of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the country, and of course you go ahead with the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: wind turbines and the like.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: What is it about nuclear though, that's so.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Important, especially for a heavily industrialized province like Ontaria.
• 21:01
  Speaker 15: Well, you know, the refurbishment of the last couple of
• 21:04
  Speaker 15: reactors at the Bruce site in twenty twelve actually allowed
• 21:08
  Speaker 15: Ontario to completely come off coal. And this movement to
• 21:13
  Speaker 15: clean energy and reliable twenty four to seven, three hundred
• 21:17
  Speaker 15: and sixty five days a year energy is a real
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: attractive you know, a thing we offer in Ontario to
• 21:25
  Speaker 15: data centers, you know, factories, manufacturing. People are interested in
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: coming to Ontario or if they're already there, staying in
• 21:33
  Speaker 15: Ontario because we have this reliable you know, every day
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: of the year, every hour of the day energy available.
• 21:42
  Speaker 15: And although we do have hydroelectric and it's a big
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: part of Ontario's grid as well as other provinces, it
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: is affected by climate change and it is affected by
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: the seasons. So we really do rely on both of
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: those for our baseload, and then we use renewables like
• 21:57
  Speaker 15: solar wind for for you know, peak times and to
• 22:03
  Speaker 15: support those base load generators we have. We also have
• 22:06
  Speaker 15: nuclear gas at Ontario which we use when needed.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So that mix of having a nuclear base load and
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: then hydro and other renewables wind and sol plus gas peaking.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, that mix is what makes everything work.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: You get full reliability as well as presumably the best
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: cost outcome that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 15: Is one hundred percent correct. You know, nuclear plants has
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: run at a very high capacity factor over ninety percent
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: and sometimes sometimes very close to one hundred, and so
• 22:38
  Speaker 15: we're always putting out power, whereas wind and solar, as
• 22:40
  Speaker 15: you know, Chris, they change with the with the weather.
• 22:44
  Speaker 15: With the sun and the wind, and so their capacity
• 22:46
  Speaker 15: factor is much less. So that capacity factor alone, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: the and the price of the fuel which is quite
• 22:54
  Speaker 15: low in the reactors you run in Ontario because they're
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: unenriched uranium. It really does make ensure that the cost
• 23:01
  Speaker 15: stays low. For nicclar it's the only cheaper kind of
• 23:05
  Speaker 15: electricity in Ontario is hydral with natural gas being about
• 23:10
  Speaker 15: a third more, win two times more and solar five
• 23:13
  Speaker 15: times more in our province.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Well, let me show you a summary, I suppose of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: what Labor the Labor Party's criticisms of the nuclear option
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: are for Australia.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And I'll get your thoughts on that. Here's Chris Bowen.
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: The thing about nuclear is, apart from being expensive and
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: very slow, is that it's not flexible.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: You can't turn it on and off.
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: Once a nuclear power station is operating, it's operating twenty
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: four to seven.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he says it's too expensive. Does that make sense?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Is that the Canadian experience?
• 23:43
  Speaker 15: You know, it's expensive to build the uprop cost to
• 23:46
  Speaker 15: build a nuclear plant is where all of the expense is. However,
• 23:51
  Speaker 15: we run them for sixty to eighty years. You know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 15: we're refurbing reactors right now at the Bruce site and
• 23:56
  Speaker 15: at Darington that are going to add another forty years
• 23:58
  Speaker 15: to plants that have been run means since the seventies
• 24:01
  Speaker 15: and eighties. So when you look at the long lifespan
• 24:04
  Speaker 15: of nuclear and the cheaper cost of fuel, it does
• 24:09
  Speaker 15: the cost the cost argument doesn't win.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: On top of.
• 24:13
  Speaker 15: That, the once it comes on, you can't turn it off.
• 24:17
  Speaker 15: You know, nuclear can can actually respond to the grid
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: by putting their steam back into the into the ocean
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: or lake wherever it is, or out the roof and
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: uh and not use every and not use every single megawat.
• 24:31
  Speaker 15: But even more importantly, you know, nuclear has the economy
• 24:34
  Speaker 15: of scale. Not every nuclear plant needs to be a
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: thousand megawatts. We can build three hundred megawap plants. We
• 24:39
  Speaker 15: can build fifty megawap plants, and we can run them
• 24:43
  Speaker 15: as what they call in Canada and around the world
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: a four pack, where you have a number of different
• 24:48
  Speaker 15: plants and you just bring on the ones that you
• 24:50
  Speaker 15: need for the support that you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Need also the renewables that it's really called out. Sorry, sorry, apologies,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: we're talking over again the tracy.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But the point is that with renewables, you don't get reliability.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: So no one's talking about a one hundred percent nuclear grid.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: But if you have thirty or forty percent of the baseload,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you need all the time coming from nuclear. The fact
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that it's always there is a plus, not a negative,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: And you know, in Ontario over fifty percent of our
• 25:22
  Speaker 15: grid is supplied by nuclear. In Canada as a whole,
• 25:26
  Speaker 15: it's only around fifteen percent currently. However that I truly
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: am a believer in nuclear with renewables, you know, I
• 25:35
  Speaker 15: don't think it has to be one or the other.
• 25:37
  Speaker 15: I think working together they can provide the electricity and
• 25:42
  Speaker 15: the power of that Australian needs.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Spot on, And thanks so much for sharing your experience
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: with us, Tracy.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Look, it's also obvious if we don't want to have emissions,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: we will have nuclear energy. We'll have it in this country.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That is inevitable. So let's get cracking home now. Coming
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: up after the break, let's get into some of the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: latest campaign antics with Tim Blair don't go away. So
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: with thirty two days to go to election day, let's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: do a recap on the big questions for the campaign
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: and add a new one. Are you better or worse
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: off after three years of alban easy labor? Has labor
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: secured our power and cut electricity prices?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Or has it made things worse?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Is labor curbing government spending, public service numbers and union power?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Have they got the country, security, defense and immigration under
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: control and have labor taken any responsibility? Why don't they
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: front up to talk and this new question? Would you
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: prefer seventy cents a day less tax from July twenty
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: twenty six or twenty five cents a.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Leter off your fuel bill? Immliate immediately.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They're the big tax offers now, just on responsibility too.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: You know that Albo's always ducking it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I've been traveling in the car so I haven't been
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: advised about that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: So state bail schemes are run by the state.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Well, the Commonwealth Grant's Commission operates at arms length from
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: the government. There is a big Australia and independent body
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: and the government doesn't direct them on what to do.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: This is not my proposal, This is the Australian People's proposal.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: State and Church of governments are responsible primarily for those issues.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always somebody else's problem, and there was a
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: new one yesterday.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: It's reputexas modeling.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: It's reputexas model ownership of that modeling. It's reputexas modeling
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: from that time. It's reputexas modeling based upon the circumstances
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: at that time.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, this not responsible thing is a theme, all right,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: so we might as well give it its first campaign run. Yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it's funny because it's true. Let's catch up with Tim
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Blair from the Daily Telegraph.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Tim. He's just the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: accidental prime minister. He's not responsible for anything.
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: Oh absolutely. I loved his line about reputects. These are
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: the people who came up with the modeling that Albow
• 28:25
  Speaker 16: based his twildred seventy five dollars power price savings on.
• 28:29
  Speaker 16: And he said, as you would have seen in that clip,
• 28:32
  Speaker 16: that was based on the circumstances at the time, that
• 28:35
  Speaker 16: time being when he was running for election.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Different Now this is the muddling to get me into power.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Please just outrage now.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I love your column today picking up some of the
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: reminders that were in election mode, and one of them was.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: The friends of the ABC.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It's always an important election for them, and they're saying
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the stakes are high for the ABC in this election.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: We must remind our political representatives that people across Australia
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: care about the ABC's future. In other words, vote Labor
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and Greens to give our favorite station more money.
• 29:11
  Speaker 16: Yes, as usual, And it's it's surprising that for certain
• 29:15
  Speaker 16: categories of people, certain groups, certain certain pressure groups, such
• 29:19
  Speaker 16: as the Friends of the ABC or ABC Friends as
• 29:21
  Speaker 16: then they have now rebranded themselves. All these concerns about
• 29:24
  Speaker 16: misinformation just go out of the window. I mean, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 16: THEBC friends are claiming there's moves to private privatize the ABC.
• 29:31
  Speaker 16: Now I wish, but there aren't any such moves. The
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: same way you're allowed to say if you're if you're
• 29:37
  Speaker 16: a climate alarmist, you're allowed to say that the planet's
• 29:40
  Speaker 16: about to die, and no, misinformation doesn't.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Apply in some cases exactly. Now we all get to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have a sausage seas or two.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I look forward to footy season because I get it
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: every weekend at the footy, but we.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Always have the Democracy sausage.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It always reminds us that Bill Shorten is the most
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: UnAustralian sausage eater in the country.
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: Sideway as sausage. Go look at this, it's a It
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: didn't cost him the election. I don't think that was
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: the election against Malcolm Turnbull, but it was as close
• 30:09
  Speaker 16: as short and got to replicating Mark Latham's handshake. That
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: was that was not a good look, well, not a
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: good look at all.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And look at these post wars are a name.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But the stuff from money Ryan's husband was was particularly embarrassing,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: partly because he was just so dishonest.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: About it, not saying who he was.
• 30:30
  Speaker 16: Look at the size of it, like, he's kind of high.
• 30:35
  Speaker 16: You could make a you can make a garage out
• 30:37
  Speaker 16: of that, but no, he's just wandering around with the
• 30:40
  Speaker 16: I also like the fact that it's only during an
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: election campaign that you hear the word core flute. So
• 30:44
  Speaker 16: if you did a Google word word search and just
• 30:47
  Speaker 16: look for the spike and the use of the word
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: cor flute, that's when you be able to detect the
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: elections on You don't need any announcements at all, You
• 30:53
  Speaker 16: just need the word core flute. But yeah, the signs
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: are great and there's been many disputes, mostly Victoria about
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: the scigence, so that that might be something to watch
• 31:00
  Speaker 16: going ahead.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Now A man with such a beautifully trimmed beard as
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: your own and lovely quaft hair. Obviously you're a regular
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to the hairdressers. I'm wondering whether you've ever sat in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the hairdresser's chair and said anything like this.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: She allegedly said that was amazing and I didn't even
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: have sex with you.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the Teal candidate for Bradfield. What do you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: think of this one? The Teals sort of showing their
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: double standards again.
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: Well, I can't recall saying anything to leave my personal
• 31:33
  Speaker 16: and very excellent hairdresser. But it wasn't the fact that
• 31:37
  Speaker 16: it was a lame sort of joke. It just kind
• 31:39
  Speaker 16: of inexplicable. I can't imagine on which level that gag
• 31:44
  Speaker 16: was meant to land, and especially to someone who's I
• 31:47
  Speaker 16: think the staff was nineteen years old. Got to be
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: careful and yeah, there was a bit. Perhaps she was
• 31:54
  Speaker 16: reaching for a gag that just alluded her somewhat.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: Let's give the doubts a small amount.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, said skiff Nicolette Baller, the benefit of the doubt.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Perhaps perhaps not our vote though, and you must have
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: been excited that when Lydia thought tweeted today that she
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was quitting politics, but finally she got something wrong.
• 32:14
  Speaker 16: Yes, this is an April fool's gag.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm assuming sadly, yeah, I know.
• 32:19
  Speaker 16: Well everyone sort of braces themselves for these sort of
• 32:22
  Speaker 16: things on April one, and yeah, it's good when they
• 32:27
  Speaker 16: The best Apra fool's gags are the ones you really
• 32:29
  Speaker 16: want to believe, and I'd put that, I'd put Lydia's
• 32:32
  Speaker 16: Lydia's line in that category. We desperately wanted it to
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: be true and sadly.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: At least she at least she knows what to say
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: when the time comes. Thanks for joining us, Tim exactly,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair. They're alive from Victoria. We're going to get
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: to a break. On the other side, Donald Trump preparing
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to announce.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: A raft of new tariffs.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: They're going to hurt some countries. Will they hurt Australia
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Across to Christian Tate. I just want to squeeze. In
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: another example of campaign ugliness, a shop owner in Wogga
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Wogger in the New South Wales River Arena has come
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: under fire for these posters portraying Clive Palmer, Gina Reyinhart,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack in
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: German World War II or Nazi uniforms. It's vile stuff
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: in the window there on the street front. Let's go
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: live to Wogger and catch up with Michael McCormack.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir Michael.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: You tell us that this shopfront is for an advertising
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: agency and he's often got highly political and aggressive slogans there.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But surely this is going too far. Oh, it is.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: Going too far, Christ And unfortunately the school bus pulls
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: up just out front of his main street business. We
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: can't resolve and solve the Middle East crisis from Fitsmorrows
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: Street Woggle Wogger. Law's the pity, but we cannot. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: for people to see these sorts of profanities, these sorts
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: of images, I mean, we know that the Nazis killed
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: six million Jews, one of the worst mass murders in
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: human history during World War Two, and to have this
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: shown in a shop front window in the main street
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: of Wogga Wogga is beyond the pilot's abhorrent. It incites
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: hatred and it shouldn't happen.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Now, are there any actions?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Have you got police complaints in on this, and I'm
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: thinking of hate speech laws about the Nazi references.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Why is this legal? You would wonder, wouldn't you.
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm told that I'm a public figure, so
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: therefore all's fair in love and politics. But this isn't right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: I have complained to the police have referred it to
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: their legal term in Sydney, which came back and said
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: sid Well, it doesn't quite reach the threshold of the
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: new laws passed in February this year by the new
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: South Wales government. But if that's the case, maybe we
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: need to review the rules. You know, we shouldn't be
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: seeing uniforms like this. The only uniform that we should
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: be showing is Australia uniforms like Richard Norton, Victoria Cross
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: winner from under guy who they're the sorts of people
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: who we should be honoring. We shouldn't be having Nazi
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: uniforms that anybody a dressed them shown in Australia.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it. Michael
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: McCormack with the final Deputy Prime Minister and he's the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: member for that area. He's had the police complaint and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: they say nothing they can do about it. We reached
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: out to the shop owner and we didn't get a response.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: But it's just shocking stuff. Take it out of your window.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: May get back to your day job.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: US politics is going to inject itself into our election
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: campaign come Thursday, when we find out what tariff's Donald
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Trump is going to impose on trading partners with the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: US right around the world.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Possibly including Australia.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's one issue where Peter Dutton and Anthony Alberiez he
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: seemed to be in agreement.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: I'll stand up for Australia's national interests. That's my job.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: The president of the United States is going to stand
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: up for America. I'm going to stand up for Australia.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I asked Kristen Tate about the conflict here between President
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Trump appealing to his domestic constituency but harming friends in
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world.
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 17: I mean, look, Australia does not have many significant tariffs
• 36:05
  Speaker 17: on many US products, and in fact, the US has
• 36:09
  Speaker 17: a trade surplus with Australia. Having said that, Albanizi has
• 36:13
  Speaker 17: said some very unflattering things about Donald Trump in the past,
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: and personal relationships are very important to Donald Trump. Chris
• 36:21
  Speaker 17: I would say, personal relationships are prioritized more by Trump
• 36:25
  Speaker 17: than our political similarities or differences, So it would have
• 36:29
  Speaker 17: been smarter to have, for a long time now been
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: working to build a strong relationship with President Trump to.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: Figure this out.
• 36:37
  Speaker 17: Trump is also obviously irritated by the discounted purchases that
• 36:41
  Speaker 17: Australia is making through its pharmaceutical benefits scheme. But look,
• 36:46
  Speaker 17: I think that at the end of the day, things
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: are going to work out here. The President is i think,
• 36:52
  Speaker 17: mostly trying to project strength to the world that America
• 36:56
  Speaker 17: will no longer be taken advantage of and that we
• 37:00
  Speaker 17: here at home in the US need to be more
• 37:03
  Speaker 17: self sufficient and produce more of our own products.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty strong domestic message. Here's the president.
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  Speaker 18: We have some big things we're going to be announcing
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: over the next two days, and you know very well,
• 37:15
  Speaker 18: Peter and I think it's going to be something that's
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: going to bring a lot of wealth back to our country,
• 37:20
  Speaker 18: tremendous wealth back to our country actually, and other countries
• 37:23
  Speaker 18: are understanding it because they've been ripping us for fifty
• 37:28
  Speaker 18: years longer, but they've been ripping us for years right
• 37:31
  Speaker 18: from the beginning.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about America hitting back at countries that
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: have been ripping it off, so to speak. But Christian,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you're going to understand a country like Australia are a
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: strong ally of the United States. We have a free
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: trade agreement with the United States. We don't put tariffs
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: on products coming into our country.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: We're an open trading nation.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: The pharmaceutical benefits scheme that you mentioned, that's just a
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: way of government subsidizing downwards the vital.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Medicines that people need.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So any attack on that will be really saying as
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: an attack on Australians by America, because what you're talking
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: about here, what Donald Trump needs to understand is the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: wrong move will really damage a very important relationship.
• 38:14
  Speaker 17: I agree with you. Look on the medicines, what makes
• 38:16
  Speaker 17: Americans so angry is that so many foreign nations pay
• 38:20
  Speaker 17: less for pharmaceuticals than we do here in the United States.
• 38:24
  Speaker 17: But look, I just go back to this, alban Easy
• 38:26
  Speaker 17: made a severe mistake by not working to develop a
• 38:30
  Speaker 17: stronger relationship with President Trump in the past. That would
• 38:33
  Speaker 17: have made things go a lot more smoothly here. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: I actually do feel good about the relationship moving forward
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: and about the situation. We do have a very good
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: relationship with Australia. You have a lot of natural resources
• 38:45
  Speaker 17: that we depend on, So I actually am pretty optimistic.
• 38:49
  Speaker 17: And yet remember Donald Trump is a very pragmatic president.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: He sure is.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So we can't wait for Liberation Day as it code.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It will be Thursday here and we'll be all over.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, though, the good news about the US
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Australian relationship is you're sending some entertainment now.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Way have a look to.
• 39:09
  Speaker 19: See what can be unburdened by what has been, What
• 39:14
  Speaker 19: can be unburdened by what has been? To see what
• 39:18
  Speaker 19: can be unburdened by what has been?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Kristen Kamala Harris is coming to Australia talking in some
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: real estate conference on the Gold Coast, obviously collecting a
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: big fee for this. Presumably, is this what she's reduced
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to now, spooking herself at real estate conferences?
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: I mean, but I'm actually shocked that Kamala Harris was
• 39:42
  Speaker 17: invited to speak of this property conference. I'm not sure
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: if your friends down under ally understand how embarrassingly ignorant
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: our former Vice president truly is. She speaks like a child.
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: And I do not even mean an intelligent child. Everything
• 39:59
  Speaker 17: she says as just a word salad, a bunch of
• 40:01
  Speaker 17: words that don't make any sense at all, And she
• 40:04
  Speaker 17: is literally an expert in nothing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 10: I mean.
• 40:06
  Speaker 17: She only became vice president because Joe Biden boxed himself
• 40:10
  Speaker 17: in by saying he was going to choose a female
• 40:13
  Speaker 17: female of color that severely limited his options. It was
• 40:16
  Speaker 17: the classic example of DEI hiring. But to all my
• 40:20
  Speaker 17: Australian friends out there, please don't judge us too harshly
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: on Kamala Harris's speech. And if you are hoping to
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: gain some pearls of wisdom from Kamala, you are going
• 40:29
  Speaker 17: to be severely disappointed.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, you won't get any wisdom from her, but
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: she might get to enjoy the beach unburdened by what
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: has been there before.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: We shall see.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I got to get your thoughts on women and Donald
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Trump because there's been this great little social media clip
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: being put out from the White House.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: If you look at feminism today, it doesn't make sense.
• 40:51
  Speaker 17: The left to try to erase what it means to
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: be a woman.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: It is so important that our future generations understand.
• 40:58
  Speaker 10: That there are two sexes.
• 40:59
  Speaker 19: What a incredibly refreshing change to have President Trump back
• 41:03
  Speaker 19: in the White House where we are seeing women, real
• 41:06
  Speaker 19: women recognized once again.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Well, this is a flip around, isn't it, from the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: misogynist in Chafe to the man who's liberating women in
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the US. What's your take on this one, Kristen.
• 41:18
  Speaker 17: This is just so significant because for decades the GOP
• 41:22
  Speaker 17: has failed to attract women, and that's mostly because of abortion.
• 41:25
  Speaker 17: Women in the US generally tend to favor abortion rights,
• 41:30
  Speaker 17: as the Democrats call it. But the Democrats really shot
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: themselves in the foot by making this transgender issue such
• 41:38
  Speaker 17: a big deal by telling Americans that they need to
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: accept biological men entering women's and girls' bathrooms and locker rooms,
• 41:48
  Speaker 17: and that if you say anything about it, you're a bigot.
• 41:50
  Speaker 17: I mean, this is like a ninety five percent issue
• 41:54
  Speaker 17: here in America. Ninety five percent of voters agree that
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: men should not be in these spaces for girls and women.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: And same with the sports issue.
• 42:00
  Speaker 17: Girls need their own sports. And this is just a
• 42:05
  Speaker 17: great example of the Democrats just shooting themselves in the foot,
• 42:09
  Speaker 17: and Trump is seizing on that beautifully spot on.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Hard to stand up for women's rights when you won't
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: even agree on what a woman is.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you as Ava Kristen.
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, the teals they're still I tell anybody who that'd
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: support after the election if there's a hung parliament.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: We all know though, don't we. I'll follow that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Up along with some other issues with Susie and Stephen
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: in just a moment. Okay, let's cut through the spin
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: with Susi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempi. You can read
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Susie in the Herald Son in Melbourne and you can
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: listen to Stephen on two Double C and Canberra in
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the morning.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Is great to talk to both of you.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: First up from you, Susie, with a big play from
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton in Victoria today. Will be interested to get
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the Victorian angle on it, the announcement on the rail
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: link to the airport and giving up on the suburban loop,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: but also later in the day sharing a community crime forum,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: obviously figuring that crime is a really big issue in Victoria.
• 43:12
  Speaker 20: Yeah, these are both really hot button issues for Victorians
• 43:16
  Speaker 20: at the moment. We've waited sixty years to get a
• 43:19
  Speaker 20: rail loop, So people are definitely wanting to see firm commitments,
• 43:23
  Speaker 20: maybe even bringing forward some of the commitments on the
• 43:26
  Speaker 20: suburban rail loop. People are saying the upgrades to Sunshine
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: rail station needs to come forward so that they can
• 43:35
  Speaker 20: have a better station there, but also set the set
• 43:39
  Speaker 20: things in place for the sixty year pipe dream that
• 43:43
  Speaker 20: we've all had to put up with. Also, as you
• 43:46
  Speaker 20: all know, crime has been a massive issue. We've had
• 43:50
  Speaker 20: record crime rates, particularly in terms of home break ins,
• 43:53
  Speaker 20: theft of motor vehicles, a lot of teenagers to blame.
• 43:57
  Speaker 20: So yeah, it's clear he needs Tourians and we probably
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: need him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to see that crime forum today late today, Stephen,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: and it came off the back of the pub test
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in Brisbane last night when Peter Dutton focused on crime
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: pretty strongly.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: The bikes are the biggest distributors of drugs in our
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: country and I stopped some of those networks and canceled
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: countless fees as of bikis and deported them.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: From our country.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: This government has done nothing like it and nowhere near
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: that number. It's not anything they talk about, but again
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's an issue that Australians should consider when
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: they voted this election, who do you trust to keep
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: our country safe?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got applause for that, Stephen. The thing
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: is that Laura and Lauda is generally a.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: State government issues, so it's you know, but he's definitely
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: trying to play himself into it in all the states really,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: but particularly in Queensland and Victoria. And I guess he's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: record as Immigration Minister stands him in good stead.
• 44:58
  Speaker 21: Yeah, and as the next copper too, obviously got experience there.
• 45:01
  Speaker 21: But I think when you say it's a state problem, Chris,
• 45:02
  Speaker 21: it's clearly a national problem because they're seeing youth crime
• 45:05
  Speaker 21: right across the country. I mean Alice Springs, Darwin Country, Queensland,
• 45:10
  Speaker 21: Regional Year, South Wales, all over Victoria. This is a
• 45:12
  Speaker 21: problem that's happening nationally. It's much like the anti Semitism crisis.
• 45:16
  Speaker 21: We need national leadership on it and I think it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 21: great that he's moving in this direction. But with regards
• 45:20
  Speaker 21: to the Forum and then the pub test last night,
• 45:23
  Speaker 21: I actually spoke to Paul Murray about this this morning.
• 45:26
  Speaker 21: I think the coalition's campaign has been fairly lackluster so far,
• 45:29
  Speaker 21: but where Peter Dutton really hits his strength is when
• 45:31
  Speaker 21: he's amongst normal people talking to them on that one
• 45:34
  Speaker 21: on one level. I think he needs to get out
• 45:35
  Speaker 21: and do more of this kind of stuff over the
• 45:37
  Speaker 21: next four weeks.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, h We've got to see more of
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: him and we've got to see him ham a home
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: these messages now, Susie, I think give credit to one
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: of the independent MP's, Rebecca Sharky, who's got the seat
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: of Mayo in South Australia. She's come out very clearly
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: and said if there's a hung Parliament, her predisposition would
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: be to speak with Peter Dutton first. Voting for her
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: know that she would favor a coalition government if something
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: could be coupled together.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Why won't the tials be so.
• 46:08
  Speaker 20: Honest, Well, most of them are in liberal seats and
• 46:14
  Speaker 20: I think they are trying to distinguish themselves from the liberals.
• 46:19
  Speaker 20: I mean, tills say that they transparency independence is a
• 46:22
  Speaker 20: massive thing. Transparency is something that they don't seem to
• 46:26
  Speaker 20: be so fond of when it comes to their own
• 46:27
  Speaker 20: voting intentions. I mean, the majority of them are in
• 46:32
  Speaker 20: conservative seats and yet they're not willing to back a
• 46:35
  Speaker 20: conservative potential government, and this is a huge issue for
• 46:39
  Speaker 20: voters in these seats, most of which are on a
• 46:41
  Speaker 20: knife edge, because the election itself is on a knife
• 46:44
  Speaker 20: edge and it could easily come down to a very
• 46:48
  Speaker 20: small number of swing seats determining who's in government. So
• 46:54
  Speaker 20: I think people want to know and deserve to know.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I think the lack of transparency is absolutely shocked, Stephen,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: especially when they campaign on transparency and honesty.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It's clear they are leftist candidates. They are Greens.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: They are a lighter shade of green. They will always
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: support a labor government.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: They are there to keep the Coalition out of power.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yet they won't say it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 21: Well, Chris, the Gucci Greens can't afford to say it because,
• 47:20
  Speaker 21: as Susie says, most of them pretended to be disaffected
• 47:24
  Speaker 21: liberals at the last election to get themselves elected in
• 47:26
  Speaker 21: traditional liberal seats. Now Rebecca Sharky knows which side her
• 47:29
  Speaker 21: but her bread's buttered on. I mean Mayo was a
• 47:31
  Speaker 21: Liberal seat for years. I mean your old boss was
• 47:33
  Speaker 21: the member there for quite some time, you know. I
• 47:37
  Speaker 21: mean she's done the right thing here and come out
• 47:39
  Speaker 21: and said to her electric Look, if it comes to this,
• 47:41
  Speaker 21: this is who I'll support. But the rest of the
• 47:43
  Speaker 21: Gucci Greens can't afford to do that because we know
• 47:45
  Speaker 21: which way they'll fall, and they're electrics will turn on
• 47:48
  Speaker 21: them if they come out and admit.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: It they're Gucci Greens. I do love it now, I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: got to. I'm very pleased that it's almost twenty years
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: since I've smoked.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: A cigarette, Susie.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what the nanny state it's getting
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: out of control because I know, first it's very hard
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to find cigarettes. Now you're going to find a shop
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and where they're hiding them. Then when you buy the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: packet there's going to be horrible photos and warnings on it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Now they're going to put warnings on the actual filter.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So while you're sucking on the gaff, you've got to
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: be reading this message.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Aren't we going a bit too far?
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: I've got to be really, really, really drunk these days
• 48:22
  Speaker 20: to have a cigarette. So that's my admission for you.
• 48:29
  Speaker 20: But as someone who whose partner used to be quite
• 48:32
  Speaker 20: a heavy smoker is now somewhat better a vapor, I
• 48:36
  Speaker 20: don't even get me started on that. You know what,
• 48:38
  Speaker 20: sixty six people dot a day die of smoking related illnesses,
• 48:42
  Speaker 20: and I don't care. They can write whatever they want
• 48:44
  Speaker 20: on a cigarette, every single cigarette if they want. If
• 48:48
  Speaker 20: it's going to make one person quit, save one life,
• 48:51
  Speaker 20: go for it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know who's reading it on the filter, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: it'll be there.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Good to talk, We'll catch you. We'll catch you next week.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Stephen Senna, Timpopex and Susio O'Brien. Honestly, they're not going
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to be room for all the warnings. So if you
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: buy a cigarette, look just a bit of time for
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit of.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Feedback from what I had to say last night about
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Palestinians in Gaza protesting against Hamas and Humus murdering them.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: In response, one viewer says that Hummas supporters must be
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: so confused right now.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're very quiet too.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Another viewer says where other protest marches in Australia for
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the Gazans opposing Hummas spot on and Manny says, where's
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: the coverage on CNNBBC, MSNBC all the other leftist media crickets?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ABC as well. And that is all the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: time I've got for you tonight.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Peter Crevelin coming up next, I have a very special
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: guest for you tomorrow night on the program Don't miss it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Former Prime Minister John Howard will join me to talk
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: about the election campaign.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I'll see you then