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UK Column News Podcast 3rd February 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Monday, the third of February twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after a while o'clock. Welcome to the UK Column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Romson joining me in this you
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Speaker 1: do today, Brian Grish, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Brian, Thank you Mike.
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Speaker 1: And by video link we have Ben Rubin. Diane sadly
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Speaker 1: is not with us today. She's a bit under the
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Speaker 1: weather with a crooky voice and so on, so we
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Speaker 1: will see her back next week. But we're going to
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Speaker 1: begin with the lucy lepukis Brian.
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Speaker 2: We are, and I'll say to the audience I have
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a croaky voice as well. But
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Speaker 2: we're going to do our best today and for us,
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Speaker 2: this is a really important report. There is a lot
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Speaker 2: to talk about. We're going to take it in a
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Speaker 2: very measured way. But firstly, I want to absolutely thank
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Speaker 2: the unheard journalist David Rose, who contacted the UK Column
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Speaker 2: days ago to ask some questions about work that UK
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Speaker 2: Column had done way back in two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 2: And that'll unfold as we do this report. But I
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Speaker 2: want to say first of all that over the weekend
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Speaker 2: I was able to see David Rose's report Why the
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Speaker 2: let B Case Isn't Closed really excellent articles, simple, straightforward
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Speaker 2: but asking some key questions and UK column encourage all
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Speaker 2: of our viewers and listeners to go and have a
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Speaker 2: look at that. Now this was just a part of it.
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Speaker 2: We're encouraging you to go and read the full article,
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Speaker 2: but just one paragraph here and it's about doctor, sorry,
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Speaker 2: Dr dewey Evans, and let's have a look at this.
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Speaker 2: It says after offering his services to the police in
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Speaker 2: May twenty seventeen, the retired pediatrician claims it to in
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Speaker 2: ten minutes to work out that murder had taken place
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Speaker 2: at the Countess of Chester Hospital. The rest they say,
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Speaker 2: it's history. So this is picking up on something quite interesting,
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Speaker 2: which is the fact that basically Dr dewey Evans volunteered
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Speaker 2: himself to the police and took himself away from his
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Speaker 2: home area specifically to go and visit those Chester police
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Speaker 2: to then engage with them. So this was a comment
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Speaker 2: as part of that section by David Rose, and it's
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Speaker 2: very clear dewey Evans isn't shy about his role in
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Speaker 2: the conviction of Lucy Letb. And as we'll see in
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Speaker 2: this report, that's absolutely true. A little bit more, it
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Speaker 2: was Evans' analysis that led to a damning chart being
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Speaker 2: shown that let Be's ten months trial three years ago,
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Speaker 2: supposedly demonstrating that she'd been present whenever a baby died
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Speaker 2: or collapsed in suspicious circumstances in the unit between June
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen and June twenty sixteen. But David Rose then says,
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Speaker 2: but did the chart tell the whole story? This is
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Speaker 2: the key comment. I'm not going to put the chart up,
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Speaker 2: but I am going to say that if you read
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Speaker 2: the article, then what emerges is that Lucy let Be
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Speaker 2: was not there when ten out of twenty eight incidents
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Speaker 2: took place. So I'll just let the audience reflect on that.
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Speaker 2: But if we also just pick up a tiny bit
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Speaker 2: of the other media reports over the weekend. I've chosen
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Speaker 2: the Daily Mail here, but once it was out, the
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Speaker 2: unheard story started a really spread. So here's the Daily Mail.
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Speaker 2: Questions about Dr Evans, a retired consultant pediatrician, were raised
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Speaker 2: during Letb's trial. In an unusual move, appealed Judge Lord
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Speaker 2: Justice Jackson wrote to the trial judge, Mister Justice Goss,
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Speaker 2: telling how report doctor Evans drew up in an unrelated
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Speaker 2: case had been dismissed as quote worthless. I thought that
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Speaker 2: was a pretty outstanding comment, Mike, and one which I
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Speaker 2: think everybody should pick up on, because this wasn't a
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Speaker 2: member of the public making some random comment. This was
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Speaker 2: coming from another senior judge. And the report being mentioned
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Speaker 2: here also claimed that Evans had breached his duty as
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Speaker 2: an expert by deciding the outcome he wanted and then
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Speaker 2: working out an explanation to achieve it. And I'm going
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Speaker 2: to say to the audience, please remember this, because when
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Speaker 2: I read this sentence it took my mind back to
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Speaker 2: work we were doing in two thousand and eight. But
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Speaker 2: before we get onto that, let's just have a little
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Speaker 2: look at how the BBC dealt with Dr Dewey Evans
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Speaker 2: and what he had to say.
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Speaker 3: Much of the criticism of the scientific evidence used to
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Speaker 3: convict Lucy let Be has focused on one man, the
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Speaker 3: prosecution's main expert witness. He reviewed all the medical evidence
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Speaker 3: for the babies in the case.
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Speaker 4: I went through them all and I thought, oh my word,
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Speaker 4: there is something highly suspicious here. These babies should not
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Speaker 4: have died when.
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Speaker 3: There are people out there loudly saying this is a
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Speaker 3: miscarriage of justice.
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Speaker 4: That's entirely up to them. The evidence that led to
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Speaker 4: Lucy let Be being found guilty was very compelling, very consistent.
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Speaker 4: Babies who were stable and in her sole care collapsed
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Speaker 4: and died, and they shouldn't have collapsed, let alone died.
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Speaker 4: What we had on a number of occasions was a
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Speaker 4: stable baby who suddenly became unstable, crushed, failed to respond
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Speaker 4: to resuscitation, and died. And where there was compelling evidence
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Speaker 4: of air embolace backed up by X rays skin changes.
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Speaker 3: What would you say directly to skeptics who are arguing
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Speaker 3: that air embolism is an unproven hypothesis.
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Speaker 4: Well, I disagree with them. I disagree with them. Babies
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Speaker 4: don't suddenly drop dead.
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Speaker 3: The man whose evidence helped put let Be away has
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Speaker 3: no such doubts.
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Speaker 4: What is it about certain people that they are taking
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Speaker 4: the side of a murderer. I think the evidence is overwhelming.
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Speaker 4: I've no doubt at all that you is responsible for
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Speaker 4: the deaths of these babies.
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Speaker 2: So no messing around, boy, Dr jue Evans, He's absolutely certain.
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Speaker 2: And of course it's been his expert evidence that was
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Speaker 2: really a major factor in the case. And appears to
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Speaker 2: be to be a major factor in the ongoing inquiry.
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Speaker 2: So let's just first of all make a statement for
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Speaker 2: the UK Column. We think this is important because we
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Speaker 2: want to recognize the families who've suffered losses. In this
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Speaker 2: exclusive news report on the Lucy let Be case, UK
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Speaker 2: Column fully acknowledges the trauma, suffering and loss experienced by
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Speaker 2: those parents who experience the death of a loved baby
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Speaker 2: at the Counties of Chester Hospital. We understand that nothing
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Speaker 2: can replace their lost children or really ease their mourning
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Speaker 2: for that loss. And what we now need to say
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Speaker 2: is it's about justice. So whether we consider that Lucy
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Speaker 2: let Be is guilty or innocent, UK Column believes that
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Speaker 2: we must remember that each and every one of us
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Speaker 2: deserves a fair trial where no stern has been left
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Speaker 2: unturned improving our innocence or guilt. Failures in justice represent
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Speaker 2: not only a threat to the life and future of
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Speaker 2: Lucy let Be, to the lives and freedoms of each
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Speaker 2: and every one of us, and that also of course
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Speaker 2: includes our children. But here we really want to recognize
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Speaker 2: the emotions and the passions that are out there around
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Speaker 2: this case. We recognize all that, but we feel that
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Speaker 2: we must comment on areas that we think require further
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Speaker 2: investigation and consideration. And this is where things get interesting,
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Speaker 2: because it was that telephone call by David Rose that
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Speaker 2: prompted the UK Column to go back looking at work
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Speaker 2: that we did in two thousand and eight when we
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Speaker 2: were looking at a child snatching case in South Wales
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Speaker 2: which involved Dr Dewey Evans, and this is one of
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Speaker 2: the articles that we wrote at the time. It's part
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Speaker 2: of the article on screen. June two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 2: eath Port Talbot Social Services kidnapped Bonnie Lewis and the
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Speaker 2: start of this article was poignant at the time is
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Speaker 2: very poignant still because it revolved around this letter, which
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Speaker 2: was a little handwritten letter from Bonnie herself. It was
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Speaker 2: written to her mum, her mom, her nan, grandma and
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Speaker 2: her granddad. It's from June nineteen ninety eight and let's
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Speaker 2: just bring up the text so that we can read
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Speaker 2: it for you. It says, dear ma'am, nan and granddad,
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Speaker 2: please please help me. I am still in a lot
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Speaker 2: of pain and I want to come home. I love
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Speaker 2: you all so very much. No one is listening to me.
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Speaker 2: I told the Guardian that I was still in pain
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Speaker 2: and I wanted to talk to the judge and to
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Speaker 2: go home. She told me no, She said, who's going
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Speaker 2: to believe you now? Why are the social workers so nasty?
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Speaker 2: And the Guardian Social workers that's the Guardian social workers
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Speaker 2: told me, I am not allowed to tell my mother
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Speaker 2: I am in pain, not allowed to tell you that
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Speaker 2: I love you, Not to say that I want to
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Speaker 2: come home, Not to talk to my friends in school
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Speaker 2: about my pain, not to say I love my Nan
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Speaker 2: and granddad and my pain. If I say it to
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Speaker 2: my mum, they will stop contacts and never see you again.
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Speaker 2: Julie Resnachek and the Guardian have told me I'm never
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Speaker 2: coming home. I love you loads and Nan Granddad, I
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Speaker 2: love you loads. That was the emotional letter written by
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Speaker 2: a little girl that had been taken away from her parents.
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Speaker 1: And sorry, Bran, just to clarify, when we're not talking
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Speaker 1: about the Guardian newspaper here, this is Guardian ad Litta,
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Speaker 1: which is a.
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Speaker 2: Per or, her guardian social.
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Speaker 1: Somebody assigned by the Steer to be her guardian.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, yeah, And.
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Speaker 1: The background of this kiss was that she had been
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Speaker 1: complaining about extreme stomach peans for a very long time.
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Speaker 2: This is absolute right and that's emphasized that by bringing
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Speaker 2: a picture. This was in our first article. This is
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Speaker 2: a small selection of the huge cocktail of drugs prescribed
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Speaker 2: for Bonnie, some of which were not even approved for
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Speaker 2: use on children. And as Mike has just said, the
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Speaker 2: key issue was that Bonnie had a lot of pain.
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Speaker 2: We're going to come onto the details of this, but
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Speaker 2: I wanted first of all to let the wider audience
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Speaker 2: here in UK and hopefully worldwide understand the plight of
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Speaker 2: a little girl in pain taken away from her loving
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Speaker 2: mother by social services. And this was an incident which
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Speaker 2: also involved Dr Dewey Evans. So in the article we
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Speaker 2: listed some of the NHS authorities involved in this very
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Speaker 2: sad affair. Singleton Hospital in Swansea and Eathport, Talbot, County,
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Speaker 2: Boroughshop Council, Social Services, Children's Legal Services, Princess of Wales Hospital,
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Speaker 2: Bridge and Neath General Hospital, University Hospital, Cardiff, alder Hay Hospital,
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Speaker 2: Liverpool apologies for that original spelling eraror there, Royal Free Hospital, London,
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Speaker 2: the Home Office, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, MPs and
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Speaker 2: local counselors. This was a web of clinical and child
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Speaker 2: protection failures in the Bonnie Lewis case, and central to
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Speaker 2: that case was Dr Dewey Evans. So let's just have
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Speaker 2: a look at a little bit of a talk that
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Speaker 2: I gave after that first editional, that first article of
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Speaker 2: the UK column came out. This was a talk in
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Speaker 2: Port Talbot, South Wales. It was a private audience assembled
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Speaker 2: by the mother and the Linda Lewis family, and I
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Speaker 2: present the facts of the case because Mum was too
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Speaker 2: distraught to do it herself. We're just going to look
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Speaker 2: at a few seconds just to give you a feel
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Speaker 2: of what I had to say back then in August
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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to explain a little bit about myself and
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Speaker 5: then we're going to talk about Bonnie and what's happened
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Speaker 5: to her. And we're trying get and we're basing it
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Speaker 5: on evidence, and we're going to show you documents. This
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Speaker 5: is a list of the medical situation. We had a
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Speaker 5: young girl, Bonnie, who became ill, and she became so
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Speaker 5: ill that mum had to take her to the GPS
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Speaker 5: and later it took Bonnie into the hospital, and it
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Speaker 5: took her into a series of hospitals where a series
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Speaker 5: of doctors failed to actually diagnose what was the matter
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Speaker 5: with her. She was in pain, she was in constant pain,
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Speaker 5: and yet they couldn't had a diagnosis, and they couldn't
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Speaker 5: get a treatment. And these are some of the things
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Speaker 5: that were done to this little girl. Her illness wasn't diagnosed.
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Speaker 5: They took a healthy appendix out and left a huge
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Speaker 5: abcess which nearly killed her. They gave her a huge
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Speaker 5: cocktail of drugs. Some of the drugs given were of
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Speaker 5: such quantity that if Linda had actually given her daughter
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Speaker 5: those drugs, she would have killed her or close to it.
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Speaker 5: And an overdose of oral morphine was one of the
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Speaker 5: prescriptions made for this little girl. They were given the
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Speaker 5: run around to doctor to other doctor, to another doctor,
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Speaker 5: to another hospital, back to the same doctor. Unbelievable incompetence,
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Speaker 5: or maybe it was orchestrated. There were lies. There were
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Speaker 5: lies in what was said about her diagnosis. There were
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Speaker 5: lies about the subsequent treatment. There were lies about what Linda,
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Speaker 5: her mum, had actually said. And the worst thing for
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Speaker 5: me when I came looked to the documents was the
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Speaker 5: fact that eventually, in this horrible saga where this little
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Speaker 5: girl had endured so much, she had professional adults, doctors
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Speaker 5: and social workers telling her that she wasn't in pain,
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Speaker 5: it was imaginary. Now we are very sure we know
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Speaker 5: what was the matter with her, and we also know
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Speaker 5: from the medical books that that condition gave rise to
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Speaker 5: a huge amount of pain, a throbbing pain that goes
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Speaker 5: from your chest all the way through to your back.
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Speaker 5: But this girl was told it was in her mind.
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Speaker 5: And these are very cruel people.
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Speaker 2: So that was just part of a presentation in the
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Speaker 2: evening with a select group of people, including the family,
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Speaker 2: where we presented the evidence. People also spoke out on
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Speaker 2: behalf of Linda and her daughter, and we also had questions.
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Speaker 2: But a powerful evening, very very sad, very tragic, and
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Speaker 2: it's an evening which I will never forget. After that event,
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Speaker 2: the UK column produced another article and that article has
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Speaker 2: never been seen before. We're going to show it to
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Speaker 2: you today. It's on screen. October two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 2: Bonnie lewis kidnapped by the state and it's part two
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Speaker 2: of our investigation into what we described as this scandalous
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Speaker 2: abuse of a young girl by then Neathport Talbot State
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Speaker 2: child protection machinery. And will take a couple of excerpts
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Speaker 2: out of this we listed child that we had made
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Speaker 2: against basically the NHS, but also neathport Talbert's social services,
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Speaker 2: failure to diagnose, the removal of the healthy appendix, a
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Speaker 2: cover up of the severe post operative access, excessive prescription
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Speaker 2: of drugs, the oral morphine, incorrect discharge and prescription forms,
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Speaker 2: confused and incompetent hospital referrals, examination and treatment, false denial
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Speaker 2: of Bondi's pain by doctors and social workers in favor
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Speaker 2: of psychological accusations against the parents and child. So if
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Speaker 2: we go on to page two and we just bring
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Speaker 2: up a little bit more, there's more than just the
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Speaker 2: incompetence and negligence. Bonnie was first admitted to Singleton Hospital
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Speaker 2: on the twenty third of November nineteen ninety six via casualty,
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Speaker 2: with the pulse of one hundred and forty and a
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Speaker 2: temperature over one hundred. Five days later, she was discharged
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Speaker 2: by doctor Dewey Evans, who considered nothing wrong. On the
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Speaker 2: ninth of December nineteen ninety six, and still in pain,
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Speaker 2: Bonnie was readmitted to Neath General Hospital. In his letter
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Speaker 2: to Dr Roberts on his GP day to the ninth
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Speaker 2: of July nineteen ninety seven, Evans again ignores the medical
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Speaker 2: shambles and talks about investigations. He gives no definitive diagnosis,
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Speaker 2: but does put himself forward as the primary point of
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Speaker 2: contact within local pediatrics and Mike, when I've seen this again,
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Speaker 2: now at the similarities for me on a personal level
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Speaker 2: with what's taking place around the lucy lepie case or
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Speaker 2: overwhelming we say in this article later. This central role
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Speaker 2: effectively allows him to steer the subsequent direction of Bonnie's case,
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Speaker 2: labeling the mother with false psychiatric diagnosis, covering up medical misdiagnosis,
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Speaker 2: and incompetence. And we'll add a bit. At the end
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Speaker 2: of his letter, doctor Evan stresses that he considered that
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Speaker 2: the conference's decision should channel all medical referrals through the
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Speaker 2: two of us, and that decision was absolutely correct. So
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Speaker 2: he's happy here because he's forced an important panel looking
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Speaker 2: at the case that all of the medical information is
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Speaker 2: going to be channeled between two doctors and he is
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Speaker 2: one of those. And then he ends the letter by
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Speaker 2: suggesting Bonnie needs now needs her own representative in the
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Speaker 2: form of a guardian ad littin. So this is a
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Speaker 2: very very serious case, and the man at the heart
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Speaker 2: of it was Dr Dewey Evans. We also printed evidence
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Speaker 2: in the form of letters and we commented on some
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Speaker 2: of these. So the third page a tiny fraction of
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Speaker 2: the evidence. If we just have a look about the
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Speaker 2: flow of the story here, we're actually mentioning the business
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Speaker 2: of Dr robertson Dr Dewey Evans from Singleton Hospital. Evans
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Speaker 2: is saying that nothing was wrong with Bonnie, but the
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Speaker 2: mother has problems. This isn't alluding to Munchausen by proxy,
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Speaker 2: which was being bandied around by many medical people at
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Speaker 2: the time, and this one here into nineteen ninety eight.
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Speaker 2: The eighteenth of February was the date at which the
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Speaker 2: Social Services actually took Bonnie herself. Now, if we look
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Speaker 2: at some of the material here, we've taken extracts. But
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Speaker 2: this is Dr Dewey Evans twenty fifth of July nineteen
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Speaker 2: ninety seven. He said that the conference was of the
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Speaker 2: view that the threshold of significant harm Bracket's emotional abuse
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Speaker 2: has been crossed. We've got a young girl in serious pain,
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Speaker 2: but Dewey Evans is focusing on the mother and suggesting
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Speaker 2: that she has got problems. He says, however, agency's prepared
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Speaker 2: to give the family the opportunity to work in partnership. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: the Conference is making this statement, not Dr Dewey Evans,
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Speaker 2: but you see where this is leading. And then here
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Speaker 2: we've got in a paragraph too. The Conference recommended that
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Speaker 2: the supervision of any medical support intervention is undertaken entirely
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Speaker 2: under the auspices of the family GP Dr Roberts and
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Speaker 2: consultant pediatrician Dr Evans. Any referrals to other specialists CG
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Speaker 2: psychiatrists should only should occur only after positive consultation between
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Speaker 2: Dr Roberts and doctor Evans. So my thoughts here, Mike
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Speaker 2: are that he is absolutely controlling the case by taking
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Speaker 2: control at this sete part of how matters are discussed,
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Speaker 2: and if we move on to other documents here this
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Speaker 2: is again dialogue between Dewey Evans and Dr Roberts. Pleased
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Speaker 2: and beat up with you. I thought I should summarize
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Speaker 2: the factors that I consider significant which makes me certain. Firstly,
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Speaker 2: there is significant psychological problems here, and secondly, the family
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Speaker 2: dynamics are contributing to this girl's illness, so no diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: But his view is that the family are to blame,
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Speaker 2: and then he criticizes the family because they took action
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Speaker 2: to try and get a diagnosis for Bonnie. They took
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Speaker 2: her in a van to order Hate Children's Hospital in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night instead of arranging admission to
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Speaker 2: a local hospital. This is both reckless and irresponsible. But
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Speaker 2: here he is commenting on the actions of a mother
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Speaker 2: who by now was desperate that neither GPS or hospitals
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Speaker 2: go actually deal with the girl's illness and producer a diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: And at the end of this paragraph, doctor Dewey Evans
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Speaker 2: is now saying I can only describe this as a
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Speaker 2: tension seeking by proxy, and this is an attempt to
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Speaker 2: label Linda Lewis, the mother, as having Munchausen by proxy,
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Speaker 2: that this was a psychological issue of the mother, not
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Speaker 2: a physical issue of the girl. I find this might
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Speaker 2: particularly seeing it again after all these times, and in
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Speaker 2: light of the Lucy Leby case, I find this appalling.
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Speaker 2: So we'll continue through and the well being of Bonnie
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Speaker 2: and the Rawal Free hospital. Children normally relax when their
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Speaker 2: mother is around at various physical symptoms become less for
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Speaker 2: them to get worse when she was around and improve
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Speaker 2: when she was not there. It's very telling and a
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Speaker 2: consistent feature suggesting a psychosomatic problem. But this is comment
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Speaker 2: by individuals. This isn't a diagnosis by a psychiatrist on
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Speaker 2: the mother. This is comment within the NHS and the
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Speaker 2: medical sphere. And this goes on. We've got another document
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Speaker 2: here between Dr dewey Evans and here he says, writing
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Speaker 2: regarding the latest developments of Bonnie. She's missed two appointments.
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Speaker 2: She's not at school, but it's having some informal home tuition.
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Speaker 2: Social services were trying to get Bonnie to school even
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Speaker 2: though she was in pain. And what is being said again,
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Speaker 2: I feel that there are now very strong grounds for
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Speaker 2: suggesting that Bonnie's health is being avoidably impaired by a family.
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Speaker 2: If she's unwell, she should be seeing the appropriate medical specialist.
24:53
Speaker 2: The option has been refused, but it's still open. That
24:56
Speaker 2: option was refused by the family because by this age
25:00
Speaker 2: they had no trust in Dr dewey Evans or the
25:04
Speaker 2: medical system. And it goes on here with again a
25:08
Speaker 2: key attempt in my personal opinion, by Dr dewey Evans
25:13
Speaker 2: to take control of this case and the family and
25:16
Speaker 2: the girl. By he's suggesting exploring the possibility of appointing
25:22
Speaker 2: a guardian at lttin to represent Bonnie, and he says
25:26
Speaker 2: he'd welcome your advice regarding the appropriate procedures. So here
25:31
Speaker 2: he is at the center of the case with a
25:33
Speaker 2: girl in extreme pain, no diagnosis, and he is controlling
25:39
Speaker 2: what is happening. So if we come into the key facts,
25:43
Speaker 2: just to end really with a summary, Bonnie suffered severe pain,
25:48
Speaker 2: consistently undiagnosed by Dr dewey Evans and others. He was,
25:56
Speaker 2: essentially my opinion, failing in his clinical care. And he
26:00
Speaker 2: deliberately labels the mother as Munchausen by proxy, this is
26:05
Speaker 2: the term being used at that time in the medical profession,
26:09
Speaker 2: a diagnosis which he wasn't fully qualified to make. Bonnie's mother, however,
26:14
Speaker 2: was continually striving and failing to get a diagnosis for
26:19
Speaker 2: Bonnie's pain. Dr dewey Evans takes control of the child
26:23
Speaker 2: protection team, effectively blocking the mother from independent medical advice.
26:29
Speaker 2: And if we carry on through, Bonnie's mother and grandfather
26:33
Speaker 2: eventually take Bonnie to Florida where they do achieve a diagnosis,
26:39
Speaker 2: and that is Solinger's disease. And this is multiple ulceration
26:43
Speaker 2: of the gut, intensely painful. But what happens is that
26:49
Speaker 2: Neathport Talbot's Social Services arrive with US police. They snatch
26:55
Speaker 2: Bonnie in Florida from her mother and the grandfather. The
27:00
Speaker 2: mother has now become the risk and that girl is
27:03
Speaker 2: then brought back to the UK on a false passport
27:08
Speaker 2: for on a false passport Mike, because the application carried
27:12
Speaker 2: out by the local authority was flawed and deceptive, so
27:19
Speaker 2: that even the Home office issuing the passport was not
27:22
Speaker 2: fully aware what was going on. But this is something
27:26
Speaker 2: which is so cruel. Bonnie was taken from her mother,
27:29
Speaker 2: extremely distraught, still still in pain. She was flown back
27:36
Speaker 2: to the UK, placed into psychiatric facility and told the
27:41
Speaker 2: pain was imaginary, and then Neathport Talbot Social Services permanently
27:47
Speaker 2: Bonny from her mother in family court proceedings. So what
27:52
Speaker 2: is the ultimate irony, Well, the mother achieves the diagnosis
27:57
Speaker 2: in America, but once the social services have that diagnosis
28:02
Speaker 2: for Zollinger's disease, they treat the girl using the diagnosis
28:08
Speaker 2: obtained by the mother, and the mother is then falsely
28:14
Speaker 2: branded as having psychiatric problems. Bonnie is taken away and
28:19
Speaker 2: Linda Lewis never sees her daughter again, and Dr Dewey
28:24
Speaker 2: Evans central to all the key decisions of the team
28:28
Speaker 2: around Bonnie Lewis. Now, our article was never published because
28:36
Speaker 2: we were gagged by Neathport Talbot at the time for
28:42
Speaker 2: the material that we wanted to publish. So I'm going
28:46
Speaker 2: to say that as soon as we started to report
28:48
Speaker 2: the real facts of the Bonnie Lawyer's case and Dr
28:52
Speaker 2: Dewey Evans failings, Neathport Talbert local authority threatened to UK
28:57
Speaker 2: column with legal action. So that is the end of
29:01
Speaker 2: our special report today. But I'm going to say that
29:06
Speaker 2: key for us is the fact that when we go
29:09
Speaker 2: back to two thousand and eight and look at that
29:12
Speaker 2: dreadful case and the sheer cruelty as to how Bonnie's
29:16
Speaker 2: case was handled, the man who was making key decisions
29:21
Speaker 2: or failing to make the right decisions was the man
29:25
Speaker 2: to be used seventeen years later as an expert witness
29:29
Speaker 2: in a highly sensitive case around Lucy. Let be Ben.
29:35
Speaker 2: I can see you, I can see the expression on
29:38
Speaker 2: your face as I've been delivering this. Can I just
29:41
Speaker 2: ask for some brief comment for the audience?
29:44
Speaker 4: Please?
29:47
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you, Brian, Hello, everybody. I just find this
29:51
Speaker 6: incredibly distressing, really, and it's so depressingly predictable in a way,
29:57
Speaker 6: the amount of times now that we hear of the
30:00
Speaker 6: people the institutions who are supposed to be caring for us,
30:03
Speaker 6: safeguarding us, our children, our society being the ones who
30:07
Speaker 6: are actually inflicting abuse.
30:09
Speaker 7: It just bows the mind, it really does.
30:13
Speaker 1: Yes, Ben, let's leave that then for and I I'm
30:17
Speaker 1: quite certain we're going to be coming back to this
30:19
Speaker 1: in the future, but let's move on to well secretive networks.
30:25
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and in a way we're not really moving on
30:28
Speaker 6: because it's the same issue ultimately, and we're going to
30:32
Speaker 6: talk a little bit about some of the issues that
30:34
Speaker 6: were raised in the interview that I carried out a
30:37
Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago with rajer Meha Mbe and it
30:41
Speaker 6: was broadcast last Thursday on UK column. If you have
30:45
Speaker 6: a chance to go and watch it, I'd highly recommend
30:47
Speaker 6: that you do. It's a really striking interview. We get
30:51
Speaker 6: into some extraordinarily important issues relating to one of the
30:55
Speaker 6: defining issues I think of the current moment in the UK,
30:59
Speaker 6: this issue of Asian grooming gangs, Pakistani and Bangladeshi grooming gangs,
31:04
Speaker 6: what Rajamir describes as cartels essentially who are trading in children,
31:10
Speaker 6: white working class children across the north of the UK,
31:14
Speaker 6: particularly in Lancashire, the west of the Pennines where Rajamir
31:18
Speaker 6: is based over in Oldham, and the fact that this
31:21
Speaker 6: is taking place under the full watchful eye and with
31:25
Speaker 6: full knowledge of senior politicians, the police, social services, all
31:31
Speaker 6: of the people who are supposed to be looking out
31:33
Speaker 6: for us ultimately, and this runs right the way up
31:36
Speaker 6: to the top level of the UK political system, as
31:39
Speaker 6: we're going to get into in a moment, and it
31:41
Speaker 6: also connects directly into two secretive networks, not so secretive
31:47
Speaker 6: in that we know about them, We know they exist,
31:49
Speaker 6: they issue public statements, but we don't know what actually
31:51
Speaker 6: goes on behind the scenes and how these networks are
31:54
Speaker 6: run and to what purpose ultimately, and there'll be well
32:00
Speaker 6: known to.
32:02
Speaker 7: UK column viewers.
32:04
Speaker 6: The first one I'm going to talk about is common
32:06
Speaker 6: Purpose and this is something that has been a focus
32:11
Speaker 6: of UK column for many, many years. And I'm going
32:14
Speaker 6: to direct your attention and provide links to two articles.
32:18
Speaker 6: This first one the Rotherham Common Purpose Effect and also
32:23
Speaker 6: the Nottingham Common Purpose Effect, which highlight issues of systemic
32:29
Speaker 6: abuse in Rotherham and Nottingham where children are subject to
32:35
Speaker 6: abuse by gangs and or people in the social system,
32:39
Speaker 6: and all of that happening under the watchful eye of
32:42
Speaker 6: members of the Common Purpose network.
32:45
Speaker 7: Right, So, people.
32:46
Speaker 6: Who have been trained and reframed by Common Purpose to
32:51
Speaker 6: become part of what they view as a new generation,
32:54
Speaker 6: a new class of managery or elite who are going
32:57
Speaker 6: to be running the country, but appear to be perfectly
32:59
Speaker 6: happy to allow this kind of abuse to take place.
33:03
Speaker 6: Let me just define for you quickly what the Common
33:06
Speaker 6: Purpose effect is. So this comes from this Nassium article.
33:10
Speaker 6: It says here we've long stated that by blurring the
33:13
Speaker 6: boundaries between people, professions, public and private sectors, responsibility and accountability,
33:21
Speaker 6: Common Purpose encourages graduates to believe that as new selected leaders,
33:26
Speaker 6: they can work together outside of the established political and
33:29
Speaker 6: social structures to achieve a paradigm shift or change. That's
33:35
Speaker 6: a familiar word, isn't it. They call this doctrine leading
33:38
Speaker 6: beyond authority. In doing so, the allegiance of the individual
33:42
Speaker 6: becomes reframed on Common Purpose colleagues and their network. I'm
33:47
Speaker 6: just wondering, Brian, if you might want to step in
33:51
Speaker 6: and give a little bit of insight into Common Purpose.
33:53
Speaker 6: This is an issue that you've personally been very focused
33:56
Speaker 6: on over the past fifteen or twenty years.
33:58
Speaker 2: Now respond by saying that definition that you've given their
34:03
Speaker 2: still stands and something that was very important to say.
34:07
Speaker 2: We've said it from the earliest reports about Common Purpose.
34:11
Speaker 2: Of course, most people involved with the organization have little
34:16
Speaker 2: idea as to what it's really doing. So we've stressed
34:21
Speaker 2: several times that when people have been involved in Common Purpose,
34:24
Speaker 2: some of them have come to us to tell their stories.
34:27
Speaker 2: But we regard people as not understanding fully what this
34:34
Speaker 2: pernicious charity is up to, and it takes looking at
34:41
Speaker 2: the broader picture to understand what they're up to. But
34:44
Speaker 2: it certainly changed. It's changing established society, not to what
34:50
Speaker 2: we've voted for, No, it's for what Common Purpose thinks
34:54
Speaker 2: a new society should look like.
34:59
Speaker 6: Right, And they don't seem particularly concerned about the methods
35:03
Speaker 6: that they use to implement this new society. They obviously
35:06
Speaker 6: present this as a great altruistic act. So you've got
35:09
Speaker 6: this quote here from Robert Ker, who's chair or was
35:12
Speaker 6: formerly chaired the Common Purpose Charitable Trust, saying there is
35:15
Speaker 6: no doubt that people who constitute Common Purpose, the alumni
35:18
Speaker 6: the networks ultimately can fulfill the purpose of providing leadership
35:22
Speaker 6: in our communities, whether monist or at.
35:24
Speaker 7: A high level.
35:25
Speaker 6: When we do, the world will become a better place. Apparently,
35:29
Speaker 6: according to Robert Care, maybe they should let some of
35:32
Speaker 6: the victims of these child abuse networks understand what's better
35:38
Speaker 6: about allowing that kind of activity to take place, which
35:41
Speaker 6: is what we've seen Common Purpose doing. Now let's link
35:43
Speaker 6: this back to the conversation with Raja Meir and what's
35:46
Speaker 6: happened over the past few years in the North of
35:49
Speaker 6: England specifically and older and well, actually it turns out,
35:52
Speaker 6: and thank you to Martin Edwards, the author of those
35:55
Speaker 6: two articles and UK columns Stalwart for drawing my attention
35:59
Speaker 6: to this announcement on the Common Purpose website at the
36:02
Speaker 6: University of Manchester Partnership sparks hope for tomorrow's leaders. Our
36:07
Speaker 6: generation will be pivotal in shaping a greener future. So
36:11
Speaker 6: this is the change Agenda, the Greener Future, the greener
36:14
Speaker 6: change a ender. This came from twenty twenty three. This
36:18
Speaker 6: was an event, as it says there, that took place
36:19
Speaker 6: in Manchester. They're looking at how Greater Manchester can be
36:24
Speaker 6: cleaner and greener where they brought together a group of
36:27
Speaker 6: eighteen to twenty five year old So they really recruit
36:30
Speaker 6: people into these networks from a very young age, from
36:32
Speaker 6: different cultures and backgrounds, in order to make change.
36:35
Speaker 7: Happen in their communities.
36:37
Speaker 6: Right, So this is exactly has just been described there,
36:40
Speaker 6: young people in this instance being brought together in order
36:43
Speaker 6: to form part of a new network where they can
36:46
Speaker 6: drive change across their communities as part of an external
36:50
Speaker 6: entity essentially. And Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Greater Manchester, closed.
36:54
Speaker 7: The program on the day.
36:57
Speaker 6: So Andy Burnham, who has been leading the very poor review,
37:02
Speaker 6: the assurance review into the grooming gang issue in Greater
37:06
Speaker 6: Manchester and it's currently still today the Mayor Greater Manchester
37:11
Speaker 6: is directly linked into Common Purpose by that event, right.
37:15
Speaker 6: And I don't think that we should be surprised by this,
37:17
Speaker 6: to be honest with you, given what we know now
37:19
Speaker 6: has been happening in the Northwest and what we've seen
37:22
Speaker 6: historically has been taking place in places like rather than
37:25
Speaker 6: in Nottingham over the past twenty or thirty years. So
37:28
Speaker 6: that's the first network Common Purpose they appear to be
37:31
Speaker 6: in the mix here, and I think we need to
37:34
Speaker 6: continue to scrutinize them. They're extraordinarily important and powerful, and
37:39
Speaker 6: equally is important, potentially more powerfully Evan, I'm sure that
37:43
Speaker 6: these things overlap quite closely. We also have the second
37:46
Speaker 6: network I'm going to talk about, which is the Fabian Society,
37:49
Speaker 6: and the Fabians were established in eighteen eighty four. They
37:53
Speaker 6: are the future of the left in the UK and internationally.
37:57
Speaker 6: This is an agenda to implement a global socialist state,
38:01
Speaker 6: to communist state.
38:02
Speaker 7: That's what they're working to do. Their AGM was held
38:05
Speaker 7: in Manchester.
38:06
Speaker 6: In twenty eighteen. Andy Burnham was the keynote speaker. He
38:11
Speaker 6: was the guest of honor at the Fabian Society event.
38:14
Speaker 6: He's also very heavily referenced on their websites. If you
38:17
Speaker 6: go to the Fabian Society website and search for Andy
38:20
Speaker 6: Burnham you get sixteen pages of references to him. I
38:23
Speaker 6: actually don't know if he is a member, but he's
38:25
Speaker 6: certainly very active in their community and is being held
38:29
Speaker 6: up by them as a leader. They certainly stamp side
38:34
Speaker 6: that they're happy to have their representing them and doing
38:38
Speaker 6: so alongside in this instance Kate Green can get that
38:41
Speaker 6: back on screen quickly. And who is someone the writer
38:45
Speaker 6: and I spoke about last week at some length, because
38:49
Speaker 6: she is currently today the Deputy Mayor of Greater Manchester
38:52
Speaker 6: for Policing and Crime, so she's overseeing the supposed reviews
38:57
Speaker 6: into the grooming gang's issue, whether in Oldham or further Afield,
39:01
Speaker 6: supposedly working for Andy Burnham, but I get the sense
39:04
Speaker 6: that she might be pulling his strings behind the scenes
39:07
Speaker 6: because as I said, she was formerly she's now today
39:11
Speaker 6: doing that job in Greater Manchester. Before that, she was
39:13
Speaker 6: the chair of the Fabian Society, which is something that
39:16
Speaker 6: Roger and I touched on in that interview last week.
39:18
Speaker 6: So from twenty seventeen to nineteen they have these two
39:22
Speaker 6: year terms that they do. Kate Green was the chair
39:25
Speaker 6: of the Fabian Society. Also on the Executive Committee. There
39:29
Speaker 6: are about ten members of the exec Committee. I've just
39:31
Speaker 6: pulled out too that I thought were of interest. Sarah
39:33
Speaker 6: Sackman Labor MP, currently Minister for Courts and Legal Services
39:38
Speaker 6: and actually from last year from July on was she
39:41
Speaker 6: was the Solicitor General, so the top one of the
39:43
Speaker 6: top lawyers in the country. She's a Fabian and also
39:46
Speaker 6: importantly Jim McMahon, who we spoke about last week, who
39:51
Speaker 6: was the leader of Oldham Council between twenty eleven and
39:54
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen when much of the abuse that was described
39:57
Speaker 6: by Roger Mere was taking place as essentially over solved
40:00
Speaker 6: at oversaw the abuse based on what was described to
40:05
Speaker 6: us in writers testimony last week, and he has then
40:09
Speaker 6: subsequently been elevated to these ex committee of the Fathan
40:12
Speaker 6: Societies we can see as we can see here, and
40:16
Speaker 6: he's now a serving Minister of State, Yes, is one
40:19
Speaker 6: of the top people in the government. He's the Minister
40:22
Speaker 6: of State for Housing, Communities, Local Government and English Devolution importantly,
40:26
Speaker 6: so this is the guy who is rolling out the
40:28
Speaker 6: complete transformation of local government, implementation of the Metro Maare system,
40:33
Speaker 6: which is a template for global governance. They're presenting it devolution,
40:37
Speaker 6: but that's actually not what it is at all. It's
40:39
Speaker 6: just a distributed, centralized system where they're going to implement
40:44
Speaker 6: a completely a new order ultimately, and this man, Jim McMahon,
40:48
Speaker 6: who was intimately involved in the cover up of systemic abuse,
40:54
Speaker 6: is the man responsible for implementing that new system of governance.
40:59
Speaker 6: Just think about that, like how is that happening? How
41:02
Speaker 6: can that possibly be acceptable to us as a nation
41:06
Speaker 6: to allow people with this track record to be given
41:10
Speaker 6: that amount of power, right, and it is an extraordinary
41:13
Speaker 6: amount of power because we can see the influence that
41:15
Speaker 6: he is already having on the UK. So in a
41:18
Speaker 6: situation now where we've got council elections being canceled, right,
41:23
Speaker 6: so we also have elections coming up in May this year,
41:26
Speaker 6: they're being canceled. Obviously this is just being positioned as
41:28
Speaker 6: a delay. So the BBC is saying that these are
41:32
Speaker 6: going to be rescheduled. Yeah, but it's all part of
41:34
Speaker 6: a major redesign of local government which was in Thats
41:36
Speaker 6: in December that Jim McMartin is responsible.
41:38
Speaker 7: For rolling out.
41:40
Speaker 6: They are being canceled, but obviously the fact checkers are
41:43
Speaker 6: in there to reinforce the official narrative. Oh, this year's
41:47
Speaker 6: local elections being canceled and it isn't quite right. According
41:50
Speaker 6: to full fact, some councils with elections scheduled for May
41:53
Speaker 6: twenty five of us to postpone them.
41:55
Speaker 7: So it's just a postponement. You really shouldn't worry about it.
41:58
Speaker 6: Then, obviously we should be aware that full fact on
42:02
Speaker 6: its board as a director has this guy James Harding,
42:06
Speaker 6: who is we can see they're an active director of
42:09
Speaker 6: Full Fact. And also in the bottom right hand corner
42:11
Speaker 6: you can see founder and editor in chief of Tortoise
42:13
Speaker 6: Media Limited. And we believe that Tortoise Media the name
42:17
Speaker 6: is a reference to the mascot or the Fabian Society.
42:23
Speaker 6: So you can see the level of control and the
42:25
Speaker 6: level of which that this network is operating. They're right
42:29
Speaker 6: across cabinet, right across the top levels of the media,
42:34
Speaker 6: and the Fabian Society is a Tortoise. It relates to
42:39
Speaker 6: Quintus Fabius Maximus, who was a Roman senator whose strategy,
42:45
Speaker 6: his approach to fighting the war with Hannibal, was about
42:47
Speaker 6: avoiding direct confrontation. So he would attack the supply lines,
42:51
Speaker 6: he'd go after go after your ability to feed yourself
42:57
Speaker 6: and to support yourself. He'd avoid direct conflict. And actually,
43:01
Speaker 6: I think that you can directly correlate that approach to
43:05
Speaker 6: a lot of what we're seeing happen in central government
43:08
Speaker 6: at the moment. If what's happening in the energy system,
43:10
Speaker 6: the attacks on farmers, the importation of thousands of a
43:15
Speaker 6: legal immigrants on an annual basis. I think that that
43:18
Speaker 6: absolutely fits into the strategic approach that the Fabian Society
43:24
Speaker 6: are very happy to represent their other schedule. By the
43:27
Speaker 6: way talked about the tortus, there are other sied always this.
43:30
Speaker 6: There are wolves in sheep's clothing. It's very telling that
43:33
Speaker 6: they are communicating to you who they are and there
43:37
Speaker 6: are loads of them, one hundred and forty one MPs
43:40
Speaker 6: all across the UK, extraordinarily well represented at the top
43:45
Speaker 6: level in the cabinet with Angela Rayner, Rachel Reeves, a
43:47
Speaker 6: bit cooper. We're streeting Ed Milliband over there, currently in
43:52
Speaker 6: the process of destroying the energy system. And of course
43:55
Speaker 6: Starmer is a Fabian as well as let's not forget
43:58
Speaker 6: this man arch Fabian Tiny Blair, who's probably pulloon the
44:02
Speaker 6: strings behind the scenes.
44:06
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Speaker 8: Oh, my friends, you're very, very welcome here at Checkers.
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Speaker 5: And I think we've made real progress. The Trinity House
47:15
Speaker 5: Agreement has been signed, and of course we've reached agree
47:18
Speaker 5: in the Flame migration.
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Speaker 3: So thank you for that leadership.
47:28
Speaker 1: So we don't know whether that's any more than a
47:29
Speaker 1: goodbye before Shoulds leave's office in the upcoming elections in Germany,
47:34
Speaker 1: but it does follow on from the most recent UK
47:37
Speaker 1: German Defense Pact as he was talking about there, the
47:40
Speaker 1: Trinity House Pact that was signed last October. And this
47:44
Speaker 1: took place when the Defense Secretary John Healey and German
47:48
Speaker 1: Defense Minister Boris Pastorius signed what they described as a
47:52
Speaker 1: landmark Trinity House Agreement, was billed as quotes bringing the
47:56
Speaker 1: two nations closer together than ever before. They claimed the
48:00
Speaker 1: agreement would boost the economy, investment and jobs, and pave
48:03
Speaker 1: the way for a new artillery gun barrel factory open
48:06
Speaker 1: in the UK. I'm not aware that that's happened. Strangely enough,
48:09
Speaker 1: German aircraft operating from Scotland. And so let's just have
48:12
Speaker 1: a look at a little bit of the detail of
48:14
Speaker 1: what they were talking about at the time, and this
48:17
Speaker 1: is this agreement that they were talking about this weekend.
48:19
Speaker 1: New long range strike weapons, new boosts for British industry,
48:23
Speaker 1: new cooperation to strength in the Eastern Flank, to land
48:27
Speaker 1: industrial cooperation as they described it, protecting critical underwater infrastructure,
48:33
Speaker 1: German aircraft based in Scotland, new drones, new maritime ncrewede
48:38
Speaker 1: air system capabilities, new Ukraine support, joint work with partners
48:43
Speaker 1: to integrate air defense systems. So the core of the
48:48
Speaker 1: of EEU defense then is Britain, France and Germany working together.
48:53
Speaker 1: So between Britain and France, we've got the twenty ten
48:56
Speaker 1: Lancaster House A Treaty, we have the twenty eighteen Centers
49:00
Speaker 1: Treaties between Britain and Germany, we've got the twenty eighteen
49:02
Speaker 1: Joint Vision Statement of the twenty twenty four Trinity Highs
49:05
Speaker 1: Agreement that we've just been talking about. And between France
49:08
Speaker 1: and Germany we've got the twenty nineteen treaty. So you know,
49:13
Speaker 1: in the meantime, that's what the core looks. But it
49:17
Speaker 1: should come us no surprise that Starmer seems sees defense
49:22
Speaker 1: as being at the heart of a reset as he's
49:25
Speaker 1: describing it between the UK and EU relations, And with
49:29
Speaker 1: that in mind, he'll again be skipping off to Brussels
49:32
Speaker 1: today and this evening in fact, to join the informal
49:36
Speaker 1: leaders meeting which is happening.
49:38
Speaker 7: And so the.
49:39
Speaker 1: Question is why this is because Britain Europe must, as
49:45
Speaker 1: they said, double down on its efforts to crush Plutin's
49:48
Speaker 1: war machine as Russia's economy shows signs of weakening. The
49:55
Speaker 1: press release says that they will urge EU leaders to
49:58
Speaker 1: step up and shoulder more of the burden in order
50:01
Speaker 1: to keep Europe safe against Russia's increasing campaign of sabotage
50:04
Speaker 1: and destruction on the continent. And they say it's necessary
50:08
Speaker 1: on top of the sanctions that they've already put in
50:10
Speaker 1: place to as they like to describe it, increase Putin's difficulties.
50:16
Speaker 1: He will, of course, this is Starmer is going to
50:19
Speaker 1: be arguing for sustained military supports to support to Ukraine
50:23
Speaker 1: because that, he says, is going to put Ukraine in
50:25
Speaker 1: the strongest possible position this year. But Starmar is also
50:30
Speaker 1: going to be continuing this notion that defense and security
50:35
Speaker 1: are at the heart of his plan for change, and
50:38
Speaker 1: this is ensuring that the UK Armed Forces, he says,
50:42
Speaker 1: will have the cutting edge equipment they need. I mean,
50:44
Speaker 1: this is going to be the biggest joke. The UK
50:46
Speaker 1: Armed Forces are so short of equipment that even their
50:49
Speaker 1: primary public relations tool, the Red Arrows, is going to
50:52
Speaker 1: be gone by the end of this decade because of
50:54
Speaker 1: shortage of aircraft. You know, this is the stage that
50:57
Speaker 1: we are at. So tomorrow afternoon, sorry, this afternoon, actually
51:02
Speaker 1: he was going to be meeting with NATO Secretary General
51:04
Speaker 1: Mark Ruder, who's also in Brussels. But the sorry, the
51:09
Speaker 1: key outcome of this special appearance in Brussels and he's
51:14
Speaker 1: going to set out his stall for what he's described
51:16
Speaker 1: as an EU An ambitious EU UK defense and security partnership.
51:21
Speaker 1: And this is something as we've mentioned many times before,
51:24
Speaker 1: but I just want to bring it on screen once
51:25
Speaker 1: again if you're not aware of this drive for EU
51:29
Speaker 1: military defense, union military unification. This is absolutely key part
51:35
Speaker 1: of the European Union structure and something that the UK
51:39
Speaker 1: wants to be involved in, no matter how much rhetorical
51:42
Speaker 1: they might put behind the idea of NATO still being
51:46
Speaker 1: the key driver or the key sort of mechanism for
51:49
Speaker 1: defense cooperation. But the biggest question then that we have
51:53
Speaker 1: is where's Nigel. Because Okay, Nigel is talking about as
51:58
Speaker 1: Ben was talking about the fact that the local elections
52:02
Speaker 1: are being withdrawn and so on at the moment, and
52:07
Speaker 1: he is therefore going to be launching this massive election
52:11
Speaker 1: rally and so on for reform, But he is strangely
52:14
Speaker 1: silent on what Keir Starmer is doing with the EU
52:17
Speaker 1: at the moment, and I find that absolutely fascinating.
52:21
Speaker 4: Ben.
52:21
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got any thoughts on on
52:24
Speaker 1: why he's silent. But this is not a topic, this
52:27
Speaker 1: idea of defense and security partnership with the EU, this
52:30
Speaker 1: is not a topic that he has ever really taken seriously.
52:33
Speaker 1: But even this whole idea of a reset between the
52:36
Speaker 1: UK and the EU is something that he seems to
52:39
Speaker 1: be just missing. And the discussion about.
52:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, fascinating, isn't it? Could could farage be being He's
52:51
Speaker 6: honest about his actual intentions here.
52:52
Speaker 7: I don't know, it's difficult to tell.
52:54
Speaker 6: I think he's striking that he's completely missing on that front.
52:58
Speaker 6: And you know, for my money, he looks like he
53:00
Speaker 6: works for himself basically and probably his mates in the city.
53:04
Speaker 7: I think that's fair to say.
53:06
Speaker 1: Well, then, speaking about the city, let's just talk a
53:09
Speaker 1: little bit about the city of London.
53:12
Speaker 7: Has a nice segue, wasn't it.
53:14
Speaker 6: So yes, I'm going to look at what's the city doing,
53:17
Speaker 6: what's the city up to, and are they dictating British
53:21
Speaker 6: economic policy at the moment?
53:23
Speaker 7: I think they might be.
53:24
Speaker 6: You're going to introduce you to a few characters and
53:27
Speaker 6: I'll let you make your own minds up about what
53:29
Speaker 6: I've just said. So this relates to the World Economic Forum,
53:33
Speaker 6: and I've been speaking about this for the past few weeks.
53:35
Speaker 6: Obviously happened in Davos at the end of January, and
53:40
Speaker 6: they're improving the state of the world by delivering ever
53:43
Speaker 6: more money and power into the hands of a global
53:45
Speaker 6: one percent.
53:46
Speaker 7: Basically what they're doing.
53:47
Speaker 6: And last week I talked about them using a fascist system,
53:51
Speaker 6: and actually I think that it's more accurately described as
53:55
Speaker 6: a woke fascist system. I've talked about this last year,
53:58
Speaker 6: this idea that actually, you know, it's not the nineteen
54:01
Speaker 6: thirties anymore. Mussolini isn't still around. They've got to evolve
54:04
Speaker 6: their ideas to adapt with the times. And actually, what
54:07
Speaker 6: we're looking at now is this sort of multi headed
54:09
Speaker 6: beast of intersectional Marxism combined with the integration of the
54:14
Speaker 6: market in the state what I call an unholy alliance
54:17
Speaker 6: between money and power that I personally believe to be Fabianism.
54:20
Speaker 6: I think that's what Fabianism is. We talked about the
54:23
Speaker 6: Fabians earlier, and I'm going to bring them back into
54:27
Speaker 6: frame a little bit later on in this section as well.
54:30
Speaker 6: Before I do that, let's just talk about money and power.
54:33
Speaker 6: Power and money, and they are best exemplified at Davos
54:38
Speaker 6: in this image again that I showed last week. So
54:40
Speaker 6: representing power, we have Rachel Reeves, the UK Chancellor and
54:44
Speaker 6: Jonathan Reynolds, the Business Secretary, who are both Fabians by
54:47
Speaker 6: the way, so they're part of that networker talked about
54:50
Speaker 6: earlier on in the show. And representing money, we have
54:53
Speaker 6: Jonathan Holtz there, UK managing partner with KPMG, who loves
54:58
Speaker 6: doing this sort of funny how and science things. One
55:01
Speaker 6: of these guys, Yeah, that's a bit weird, Jonathan, Why
55:04
Speaker 6: are you doing that anyway? And also representing money because
55:08
Speaker 6: this was a jointly hosted event between KPMG and the
55:15
Speaker 6: City of London, right, so the City of London Corporation
55:18
Speaker 6: ran this with KPMG. Rachel Reeve Jonathan Reynolds were both there,
55:21
Speaker 6: Money and Power, the unholy alliance on stage there in
55:25
Speaker 6: front of you, and here we see Chris Hayward representing
55:29
Speaker 6: the City of London Corporation.
55:31
Speaker 7: He's the policy chief, very powerful.
55:34
Speaker 6: Guy, meeting global business and political ledias to champion the
55:38
Speaker 6: UK as a world class destination for investment, but actually
55:41
Speaker 6: ultimately to champion the City of London as a world
55:44
Speaker 6: class destination for investment.
55:45
Speaker 7: That's what he's there to do. They've got this whole program.
55:49
Speaker 6: Running in a minute about the Global City, right, and
55:52
Speaker 6: we could do a whole hour long section on that.
55:54
Speaker 6: I haven't got time to dig into it right now,
55:56
Speaker 6: but go to the Globalcity dot UK and you'll see
55:59
Speaker 6: what the City of London are up to. You can
56:01
Speaker 6: see this here from Chris Hayward saying that they want
56:05
Speaker 6: to make the UK the best place in the world
56:07
Speaker 6: to raise private capital to fund the global transition in infrastructure,
56:11
Speaker 6: markets and technology to support a net zero future. Right
56:14
Speaker 6: so again talked about this last week, net zero climate change,
56:17
Speaker 6: that whole thing.
56:18
Speaker 7: This is a racket, This is a marketplace.
56:20
Speaker 6: This is designed to make huge amounts of money for
56:23
Speaker 6: private investors and people like Chris Hayward frankly at the
56:27
Speaker 6: City of London, right, and a lot of this. They
56:29
Speaker 6: also love to talk about impact investing and this is
56:33
Speaker 6: basically gets spun as being socially responsible. But actually I
56:37
Speaker 6: think that when you understand that these people think that
56:40
Speaker 6: the human population needs to be reduced by about ninety
56:43
Speaker 6: to ninety five percent, that is really what you need
56:45
Speaker 6: to understand when they're talking about social and environmental benefits
56:49
Speaker 6: and impact, that's the kind of thing that they're talking about, right,
56:51
Speaker 6: And again it's been driven by people like this. There's
56:54
Speaker 6: Chris Hayward talking to Tony Blair and he was making
56:57
Speaker 6: big statements. This guy's very, very active and I'm just
57:01
Speaker 6: going to listen now to a quick video statement he
57:03
Speaker 6: made about the future of the UK economy at Davos
57:07
Speaker 6: last week.
57:10
Speaker 8: I'm back in Davos, Switzerland once again for the World
57:14
Speaker 8: Economic Forum. Together with our Lord Mayor, we will be
57:18
Speaker 8: promoting the City of London as the global financial capital
57:23
Speaker 8: of the world, and together we will meet investors and
57:27
Speaker 8: potential investors from allow the world who will realize that
57:30
Speaker 8: Britain is open for business.
57:36
Speaker 6: The City Line is the financial capital of the world.
57:40
Speaker 6: Racial reason was there, Jonathan Reynolds was there with him
57:43
Speaker 6: presenting that message.
57:44
Speaker 7: That's who these people work for.
57:46
Speaker 6: I believe ultimately, you know, when they talk about growth,
57:49
Speaker 6: when they talk about economic transformation, it's all designed to
57:54
Speaker 6: deliver for the city and private investors. He just said
57:58
Speaker 6: that the country is open for business, Britain is open
58:02
Speaker 6: for business. And just a few days after he made
58:05
Speaker 6: that statement, what do we see in London? We see
58:08
Speaker 6: Kits Starmer in the city repeating that message with Rachel
58:13
Speaker 6: Reeves saying Britain is back and open for business. That
58:16
Speaker 6: we just bring that up slightly bigger. There's the message.
58:18
Speaker 6: You can see it. Yeah, so city says this, a
58:21
Speaker 6: Davos Starmer says it in London. There's a total parallel
58:25
Speaker 6: there between the two messages. And let's have a little
58:27
Speaker 6: look at his piggy little face.
58:28
Speaker 7: Look at him. He's loving it. These are his people.
58:31
Speaker 7: He loves.
58:32
Speaker 6: He loves this kind of setup starma, and he loves
58:35
Speaker 6: going to big city events. Actually you can see we'll
58:37
Speaker 6: put them in the room together. There's Chris Hayward and
58:39
Speaker 6: Starmer talking to each other, brothers in arms, money and power.
58:43
Speaker 6: There the unholy alliance between the two at the Lord
58:46
Speaker 6: Mayor's banquet back in December last year. Hashtag growth unleashed
58:51
Speaker 6: yet again, growth equals bottom line growth for the City
58:55
Speaker 6: of London. That is who Starmer was working for. And
58:58
Speaker 6: none of this is new. It's been going on for
59:00
Speaker 6: thousands of years. Here is the Remembrancer, So this is
59:05
Speaker 6: the This is Paul Double. This guy is called he
59:08
Speaker 6: was made the remembrance which is basically the original corporate lobbyist.
59:12
Speaker 6: They literally sit behind the Speaker's chair in Parliament to
59:16
Speaker 6: represent the interests of the city. And actually Mike was
59:19
Speaker 6: talking about checkers being the official residence of the UK
59:23
Speaker 6: Prime Minister. Well look there's a checkerboard behind him as
59:26
Speaker 6: a Masonic symbolism. He goes right the way up to
59:29
Speaker 6: the name of the official residents of the UK Prime Minister.
59:33
Speaker 6: We're going to talk about this guy an extra I've
59:35
Speaker 6: got a feeling right because this is just astonishing really
59:38
Speaker 6: when you understand how embedded the City of London and
59:42
Speaker 6: the banks and the financial system are into the mechanics
59:47
Speaker 6: of governance in this country. It's absolutely astonishing. And this
59:52
Speaker 6: goes right the way back to the Fabian Society I've
59:56
Speaker 6: been talking about earlier on. I think this seg and
1:00:00
Speaker 6: the earliest segment that I did, because we say wed.
1:00:03
Speaker 7: This is just last week.
1:00:05
Speaker 6: He's there talking to the Fabian Society New Year's meeting,
1:00:10
Speaker 6: saying the roads to Britain's future, the one of the
1:00:12
Speaker 6: economic growth and shared prosperity, runs through the City of London.
1:00:16
Speaker 6: This was a message shared at the New Year Conference
1:00:18
Speaker 6: at the Guildhall, right, and he's talking about the importance
1:00:23
Speaker 6: of stakeholders like the Fabian Society in order to unlock
1:00:26
Speaker 6: UK growth.
1:00:27
Speaker 7: That's the Guildhall.
1:00:28
Speaker 6: This is basically the key administrative building of the City
1:00:33
Speaker 6: of London. That's where the Fabian Society held their New
1:00:36
Speaker 6: Year's conference. Money and Power, Power and Money, total integration. Interestingly,
1:00:42
Speaker 6: and I haven't got a huge amount of time overseeing
1:00:44
Speaker 6: the Guildhall.
1:00:45
Speaker 7: We have these two.
1:00:46
Speaker 6: Characters, so this is Gog and Magog, who in the
1:00:49
Speaker 6: Book of Revelation are named as evil forces that will
1:00:52
Speaker 6: fight with Satan in the Great Battle in the end
1:00:55
Speaker 6: times against God.
1:00:58
Speaker 7: That's who's running at the moment.
1:01:01
Speaker 6: And before we finish, let me just close by introducing
1:01:04
Speaker 6: you to this fella. So there's Chris Hayward meeting another
1:01:07
Speaker 6: dignitary at the Mayor's dinner back in December. This guy
1:01:13
Speaker 6: is sneaking into frame in.
1:01:15
Speaker 7: The corner there.
1:01:16
Speaker 6: Who is Ian Thomas CB who is the chief executive
1:01:21
Speaker 6: You can see at the top this of the City
1:01:23
Speaker 6: of London Corporation as his current job. If you whizz
1:01:27
Speaker 6: down to the bottom you can see that for a
1:01:28
Speaker 6: period of time from twenty fifteen he was Strategic Director
1:01:32
Speaker 6: of Children and Young People at Rotherham Council. So he
1:01:37
Speaker 6: was the guy that was sent in to do the
1:01:39
Speaker 6: cleanup job bury the bodies, maybe we could say metaphorically
1:01:43
Speaker 6: speaking of course, in the wake of the grooming gang
1:01:47
Speaker 6: scandal in Rotherham, and he's basically been given the bump
1:01:51
Speaker 6: up to the chop job in the city several years,
1:01:54
Speaker 6: ten years down the line. Amazing how all this stuff
1:01:56
Speaker 6: comes together.
1:01:58
Speaker 1: I'm sure Ben it was just a coincident. I'm going
1:02:01
Speaker 1: to say thank you very much for that. That was
1:02:02
Speaker 1: an amazing report. Well we've got to leave it there
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Speaker 1: for today, did you have some comment.
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Speaker 2: Just to at Mike that we will be talking more
1:02:12
Speaker 2: about the Bonnie Lewis case in Extra. We will be
1:02:15
Speaker 2: talking more about Lucy let the case an extra.
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