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CULT-MOM LORI VALLOW THROWS WRENCH IN MURDER CASE WITH SECRET PHONE RECORDING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Lorie Valo, cult mom, Will
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Speaker 1: it never end? The line of dead body she leaves
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Speaker 1: in her wake in the last hours Bombshell news in
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Speaker 1: the case of cult mom Lorie Valo and her fifth husband,
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Speaker 1: cult leader Chad day Bell. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our frans at Kifi.
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Speaker 1: In the recording, you can hear Wood talking to Summer Shifflet,
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Speaker 1: Lorie's sister about Laurie's attorney, Mark means we're able to
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Speaker 1: put them in jail with a high belt and these
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Speaker 1: lower charges and put together a base. Our goal is
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Speaker 1: to have such a strong case that when she has
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Speaker 1: confiding counsel. I don't know if you know this. Her
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Speaker 1: attorney has never handled a felony before. He's never never
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Speaker 1: gone any meaningful criminal work at all, and he doesn't
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Speaker 1: know what he's doing. He's a nice guy. Yeah he's
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Speaker 1: lying about me, but uh, but he doesn't know what
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Speaker 1: he's doing. And that when once we file for their charges,
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Speaker 1: she will be appointed counsel who will know what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: And our goal is to put together such a case
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Speaker 1: that they're smart enough to say it's going to be
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Speaker 1: better to talk. Right there, you are hearing the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: in the Valoe cult mom case speaking to Summer Shiplet
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Speaker 1: that is a relative of Lorie Vlows. And these phone
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Speaker 1: conversations have stirred up a whole pot of trouble with
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Speaker 1: me an All Star panel Ashley Wilcot judge, trial Lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Court TV anchor. Find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. Director of the Coldcase Research Institute, crime scene
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Speaker 1: expert Cheryl McCollum. Also she is at coldcasecrimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon Starve, brand new hit series on the
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Speaker 1: True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaison's Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: At first, I'm gonna go to crack reporter with the
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Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot com, Eric Grossart. Eric, does it
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Speaker 1: never end with this? I mean, explain to me the
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Speaker 1: recording we just play for everyone. I'm hearing the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Mark Wood speaking to Summer Shiflet he's saying that cultman
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo's current lawyer has never tried a felony. Well,
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Speaker 1: right now, until they charge Laurie Valo with murder, that
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Speaker 1: may not be an issue. But we understand that the
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Speaker 1: prosecutors are this close to a conspiracy to commit murder charge. Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: So what we know from this recording, this, of course,
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Speaker 1: was in October twenty twenty when Rob Wood went to
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Speaker 1: go speak with Summer Schifflet, Laurie's sister. And during this
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Speaker 1: conversation it was around eighteen minutes, Rob Wood told recorded
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Speaker 1: by first recording it, Eric, So this was actually recorded
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Speaker 1: by Summer Shiflet, Lorie's sister's attorney, Garrett Smith, down in Arizona.
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Speaker 1: Why for whatever reason he decided that he wanted to
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Speaker 1: record this. He said that red flags were popping up
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Speaker 1: in his head during this conversation. He thought it was
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Speaker 1: just going to be like a meet and greet, but
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Speaker 1: it went on for about eighteen minutes. Okay, hold on, um, guys, Eric,
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Speaker 1: you're a newbe to our program. But it's like everybody
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Speaker 1: at the supper table, and everybody has a different opinion,
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Speaker 1: So just buckle up. Cheryl McCollum right there at the gate,
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Speaker 1: go why are they recording the prosecutor's conversation? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not angry, I'm just curious. Why would you record
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Speaker 1: it and then release it to the media. I'm curious.
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Speaker 1: It just to me, it doesn't sit well with me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that anybody would record the prosecutor and then release it.
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Speaker 1: It puts a bad taste in my mouth because it
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Speaker 1: seems to me they're going to go after the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: and make this more about his background and his fit
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Speaker 1: for trial more than the defendant. Cheryl McCollum, do I
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Speaker 1: need to remind you of the many, many times defendants
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Speaker 1: trying to get me thrown off the case as their prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: And you know why, because I had a bite of
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Speaker 1: their rear ind and I was not letting go to
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Speaker 1: the rest of them landed in jail. Amen, sure they
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Speaker 1: wanted me off the case because they wanted a cheap plea. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to report it never worked. And you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Back to Eric Grossarth, reporter, East Idaho News dot Com,
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Speaker 1: which is awesome by the way, especially on this case. Eric,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. They got ahold of this prosecutor
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Speaker 1: and put him on trial to get him thrown off
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Speaker 1: the case. What about the two dead bodies? Should we
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Speaker 1: be worried about that? You know, you're exactly right, that
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Speaker 1: is what happened. This recording was not first release to
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Speaker 1: the media. Is actually given to Laurie's attorney, Mark Means
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Speaker 1: and then Chad's attorney, John Pryor, and they used this
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Speaker 1: to hold a hearing on a motion to disqualify Wood
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Speaker 1: from one ground. So this went on for a day
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Speaker 1: and a half on what they were saying that they
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Speaker 1: were saying that these disparaging comments is what they were alleging,
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Speaker 1: were influencing Shiftlet to whatever his motive was. And they
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Speaker 1: said that this conversation was inappropriate. So the whole day
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Speaker 1: and a half hearing revolved around this eighteen minute what
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Speaker 1: was wrong with this conversation? Ashley Wilcott. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: play some more of what it's alleged, but so far
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Speaker 1: I've heard the prosecutors say, Hey, her lawyer is not
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Speaker 1: all that and a bag of chips, That's what I'm hearing.
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Speaker 1: That's not a reason to throw the prosecutor off. Whether
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Speaker 1: he's wrong or right. You know you always hear both
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Speaker 1: sides trash in the other side. It always happens, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it does. And so you know what we know is listen,
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Speaker 1: there are ethical standards that attorneys have to comply with
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors no different. But does that rise to the
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Speaker 1: level of ethical behaviors that are of concern or evidence
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Speaker 1: of a conflict, which means he would have to not
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Speaker 1: handle the case? In my opinion, know, there's nothing there
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Speaker 1: other than trash talk, which, although it may not be
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Speaker 1: super professional, happens every day. Well, I mean, maybe I'm guilty. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I plead guilty. I'll plead it right now.
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Speaker 1: I won't even take the fifth Cheryl, how many times
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Speaker 1: would you come into the courtroom and say, okay, what's up?
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Speaker 1: And I would say, well, you know, these are the facts.
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Speaker 1: But this lawyer has never handled a murder case, or
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Speaker 1: this lawyer this or blah blah blah, or he is
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Speaker 1: not prepared, or he's never argued in a pelic case.
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Speaker 1: Because you're talking it's strategy, and you're talking about your opponent,
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Speaker 1: not to be published, not to cause them any harm,
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Speaker 1: but you are evaluating the playing field. I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: Not just that, but's something I learned from you long ago. Dear.
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Speaker 1: It ain't flanda if it's true. So if you're simply
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Speaker 1: saying somebody is not all that they have not had
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Speaker 1: high profile cases, they haven't tried a hundred cases successfully,
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Speaker 1: that's just bas well. We'll find out more whether our
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Speaker 1: crack reporter from east ioens dot com, Hey, Jackie, let's
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Speaker 1: play some more of this discussion about how the Colt mom,
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Speaker 1: Laurie valoteam has tried. They've been doing bat bins to
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Speaker 1: get the prosecutor Throne off the case. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut twenty one from our friends Fox thirteen
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Speaker 1: dre in Utah. Attorneys for Chad day Bell and Lorie
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Speaker 1: Valo are trying to get the prosecutor, Rob Wood thrown
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Speaker 1: off the case for misconduct. That's why they were in
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Speaker 1: court today playing an audio recording of Rob Wood talking
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Speaker 1: to one of the witnesses who has yet to testify.
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Speaker 1: That's Summer Schifflet, Lorie Valo's sister. These photos are with
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Speaker 1: her niece, Tylie Ryan, before she died. Defense attorneys say
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Speaker 1: Wood was trying to manipulate Schifflet's testimony in that audio recording,
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Speaker 1: Wood says he has enough evidence to charge both Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell and Lorie Valo with conspiracy to commit murder,
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Speaker 1: that either one of them could face the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: But then he goes on to give his own opinion
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Speaker 1: of the case, calling Chad day Bell names and making
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Speaker 1: fun of Lorie Valo's attorney. Take a listen. He would
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Speaker 1: like he was about to piece pants because he's actually person. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's highly manipulative. Yeah, I'm not going to say he's
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Speaker 1: highly intelligent, but you don't have to be highly intelligent
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Speaker 1: to be highly manipulative. I don't really know this. Her
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Speaker 1: attorney has never handled a felony before. He's never never
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Speaker 1: gone any meaningful from the work at all, and he
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Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing. It's familiar with Vito, that
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Speaker 1: defense attorney. He's referencing his defense attorney, Mark Means. Wood
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Speaker 1: went on to talk about his own LDS faith, which
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Speaker 1: defense attorneys argue is another tactic to intimidate the witness
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Speaker 1: crime stories. With Nancy Grace, guys are talking about the
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Speaker 1: very latest in the cult Mom Laurie Valoe case. As
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Speaker 1: you know, her children J J and Tie end up
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Speaker 1: burned dismembered and buried on her brand new husband's basically
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Speaker 1: in his backyard. Gee, I wonder how that happened. Instead
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Speaker 1: of trying to throw the prosecutor off the case, they
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Speaker 1: need to worry about her case because, according to our sources,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors are on the verge of charging Lorie Valoe in
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Speaker 1: her brand new husband number five model number five Chad
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Speaker 1: day Belle with conspiracy to murder the children. Instead, they
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Speaker 1: get the prosecutor woods on the phone, record his phone call,
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Speaker 1: and then try to get thrown off the case. Now
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Speaker 1: you know, Joe Scott Morgan, I'm dying to talk to
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Speaker 1: you about the forensics, but I've got to follow upon
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Speaker 1: this Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer. There are ways to
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Speaker 1: get a judge or a prosecutor thrown off the case,
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Speaker 1: for instance, bias on the judge's part, misconduct on the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor's part, But saying someone is about to pay is
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Speaker 1: pants is not grounds to get them thrown off the case.
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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the defense lawyer. He give
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Speaker 1: me a great lawyer for all I know. But as
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Speaker 1: you said, this sounds like typical trash taught before a trial.
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Speaker 1: And I don't see it. And talking about your religion,
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Speaker 1: how is that a grounds to get you thrown off
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Speaker 1: the case? I don't think it is. So let me
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Speaker 1: just suggest this all of us who are trial attorneys, No,
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Speaker 1: you better have a fix skin, Nancy. I have no
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Speaker 1: doubt you got a fix skin, because guess what, just
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Speaker 1: because you're a trial attorney doing your job, doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: you have to demand and complain when because people don't
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Speaker 1: like you or aren't saying good things about you. That
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do about whether or not an attorney
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Speaker 1: is acting in committing this conduct in this case. Again,
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Speaker 1: listening to this, I don't see it. I just think
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Speaker 1: the defense attorneys don't like what the prosecutors saying about them.
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Speaker 1: You know what that stunt? Straight up stunt, ghosheryl It's
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Speaker 1: a stunt, that's all it is, Nate. So you taught
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Speaker 1: me a long time ago. When people do not have
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Speaker 1: something they can legally argue, they yell and scream loud,
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Speaker 1: they bang the desk, They make this big production because
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Speaker 1: they ain't got nothing. That's all. This is the prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: the stellar person with a solid background. So they tried
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Speaker 1: to bring smoke where there was no fire. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know what, You're right. You gotta have a thick skin,
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Speaker 1: or at least pretend you've got a thick skin to
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Speaker 1: be a felony prosecutor, because it's given nobody is gonna
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Speaker 1: like you. But as I always say, I didn't go
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Speaker 1: into the law to be crowned miss sweet Potato queen
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Speaker 1: or to win miss congeniality. Neither one of those are
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Speaker 1: ever going to happen. But tell me about Eric Grossarth,
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Speaker 1: reporter East idahonees dot com. They wasted a day and
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Speaker 1: a half off court time on trying to throw the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor off. Yeah, it lasted through one whole day and
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Speaker 1: it came five o'clock and it was time for the
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Speaker 1: judge to go home. So they had to call back
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Speaker 1: two days later, on a Friday the afternoon, come in
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Speaker 1: and give their closing arguments, and then the judge had
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Speaker 1: to go back into his chambers for about an hour,
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Speaker 1: where he came back with his decision that Rob Wood
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Speaker 1: can stay on the case. And we don't know if
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Speaker 1: something like this will happen again. I know that they're
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Speaker 1: thinking of refiling a motion to reconsider the judge's decision.
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Speaker 1: And then John Prior Chad's attorney has also said that
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Speaker 1: he's going to want to file or have a taint
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Speaker 1: hearing for every single witness because of Rob Wood. All right,
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Speaker 1: you know what, have ad it, But this thing is
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Speaker 1: going to trial, and it seems to me that it's
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Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger than the deaths of little JJ,
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Speaker 1: just seven years old. Seven years old. You know. The
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Speaker 1: other day, doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist in Atlanta, I got
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Speaker 1: as a gift for Christmas. Everybody knows I don't want anything,
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Speaker 1: but they know how to get to me with photos
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Speaker 1: of the twins. And a friend made one of those
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Speaker 1: photo I guess cubes. You plug it in and every
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Speaker 1: it goes for about an hour of Christmas photos of
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Speaker 1: the twins through the years. Well, I put it right
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Speaker 1: by my favorite chair where I read the news every morning,
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Speaker 1: and when I was looking at them at about that
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Speaker 1: age seven, I started crying. They're so tender and wonderful
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Speaker 1: and innocent. And we know also JJ had a handicap
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Speaker 1: of sorts, which makes him even more vulnerable. To think
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Speaker 1: that somebody could kill that child and bury them essentially
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Speaker 1: in the backyard in the pet cemetery. It's just no
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Speaker 1: wonder they're trying, as Cheryl Collum said, screaming and kicking
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Speaker 1: to point at the prosecutor because they don't want anybody
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Speaker 1: to point at them. Right. It sounds like they're trying
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Speaker 1: to make up distraction they can to keep things away
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Speaker 1: from them because what they have, what they did to
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Speaker 1: those children is so horrific. And didn't they also dismember
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Speaker 1: their bodies? Nancy? I know they did Tyley's. And you're
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Speaker 1: bringing me to a good point. And yes, I'm jumping
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Speaker 1: the gun and I know that. Hold on, Eric grow soars.
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Speaker 1: Joseph's got Morgan, professor forensics and renowned death investigator. Wait, Eric,
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Speaker 1: where are the bodies? Let me get that from you. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So back to that audio recording, Rob would tell Summer
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Speaker 1: that Tyley's body is actually at an FBI lab. We
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Speaker 1: know her body was burned and dismembered, so they're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out how she died. You know what, I
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Speaker 1: know a lot of people get comfort from going to
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Speaker 1: the cemetery where their loved ones are buried. It breaks
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Speaker 1: my heart to go anywhere near my father's cemetery. But
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Speaker 1: even worse than that, thanking that his remains or being
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Speaker 1: dissected and pulled apart still at the FBI lab. But
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Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan, the FBI, the fans have to do it.
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Speaker 1: Why these bodies have a tale to tell, Nancy, and
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Speaker 1: you know, the bodies, they have a tale to tell,
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna that's why these bodies have to be
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Speaker 1: examined so very closely, and it's gonna tell a tale.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna tell a tale of the bodies, not just
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Speaker 1: how they died, but what occurred afterwards. And I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this blocking motion, which is essentially what this was.
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Speaker 1: They're screaming and yelling as as Cheryl had mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: because let me tell you something, when the rubber meets
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Speaker 1: rode in this case and they start putting the pictures
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Speaker 1: of what was done to these children, both anti mortem
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Speaker 1: before death and post mortem afterwards, it's going to be shot.
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Speaker 1: Because in my mind, at least, you know, if we
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Speaker 1: just talk about Tyley alone, her body from what we
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Speaker 1: can gather at this point, not only was her body
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Speaker 1: burned okay in that fire pit, you know that we
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Speaker 1: know about right there, or there was an attempt made,
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Speaker 1: she had also prior to that been dismembered. Now to
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Speaker 1: what's property the fire pit, right Eric, that's what we believe.
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Speaker 1: Investigators are believing that Tyler was burned on the property
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Speaker 1: nearby where they found her body. And Nancy, if you
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Speaker 1: and my best guests, having covered this case now for
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Speaker 1: I don't know how long, when the first day when
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Speaker 1: I saw this thing, I was thinking, you know, something
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Speaker 1: happened in those immediate those ships that are immediately adjacent
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Speaker 1: to the fire pit. You know, there's like a barn
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Speaker 1: and outdoor structure that's not that far away. And my
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Speaker 1: suspicion is is that maybe some level of dissection or
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Speaker 1: dismemberment took place in there, an attempt And there's also
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Speaker 1: a very stark reminder about how Kylie's body was treated
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Speaker 1: as opposed to JJ's. You know, JJ's though his death
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Speaker 1: was tragic and horrible, he was kind of reposed in
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Speaker 1: this area adjacent to this empty pond or whatever it was,
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Speaker 1: this depressed area. But Tylie's, Nancy, she was treated in
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Speaker 1: such a subhuman manner. There was even a melted bucket
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Speaker 1: that was thrown in there, and I suspect that there
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Speaker 1: were probably remains of some kind in that bucket as
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Speaker 1: well of you know, maybe it sounds like a slaughterhouse.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys in the last hours,
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Speaker 1: new updates in the case of cult mom Laurie val
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Speaker 1: and her fifth husband, cult leader Chad day Bell. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we still don't even have a cause of death on Tilely,
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old Tylely because her body was burned and dismembered.
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Speaker 1: Do we have a cod cause of death on JJ Eric?
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Speaker 1: You know, that's still the question. That stuff has not
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Speaker 1: been released publicly yet and likely if charges that rise
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Speaker 1: to the level of movement, those are filed will likely
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Speaker 1: find out a leader. Guys. The very latest is the
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Speaker 1: defense Lorie Valo and Chad day Bell's defense have tried
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Speaker 1: to throw out the prosecutor assigned to the case based
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Speaker 1: on a phone call that they the defense had recorded.
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Speaker 1: It was Lorie Valoe's sister, Summer Shifflett, and her lawyer
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Speaker 1: recorded the prosecutor on the phone, then tried to use
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Speaker 1: that as a grounds to get him thrown of the case.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work, But there's more brewing than their attempt
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Speaker 1: to throw out the prosecutor. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at k s L t v R Cut twenty
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Speaker 1: four in addition to the children's death deaths, Alex Cox
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Speaker 1: has been linked to the deaths of Charles Valo, Tammy Davell,
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Speaker 1: as well as an attempted murder. But tonight we're getting
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Speaker 1: a better idea of what happened. In December twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: the day he died, just three months after Tylee and
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Speaker 1: JJ's murders, Alex Cox wracked up criminal charges long before
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Speaker 1: his involvement in the deaths of Tyleie Ryan and JJ Valo.
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Speaker 1: Material he used for his stand up comedy shown in
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Speaker 1: this twenty ten YouTube video. Well, of course I don't
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Speaker 1: like Jesus jokes, but there is Alex Cox now dead.
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Speaker 1: Joe king about doing something that seems right at the
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Speaker 1: time that turns into a felony. And what was that felony?
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Speaker 1: Eric Gross Arthur. Yeah, so years ago, Joe is alleged
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Speaker 1: to Laurie have three or five husbands, right, your third husband,
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. Alex is alleged to have taken a taser
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Speaker 1: or some sort of stun gun and actually attacked Joseph
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Speaker 1: Ryan with this. Now he ends up shooting the fourth husband, Valo.
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Speaker 1: When Valo's coming to see his children, he shoots him dead,
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Speaker 1: but now we have him and it's not just alleged Eric.
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Speaker 1: He did jail time. He was convicted of the assault
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Speaker 1: on Laurie Valo's third husband, Charles Joseph Ryan, who's dead
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Speaker 1: under natural causes and cremated like that. That decision was
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Speaker 1: made by Laurie Valow to get rid of his body.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friens at kapnix TV twelve
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Speaker 1: New details and the twisted case involving Laurie Valo day
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Speaker 1: Bell tonight, and Idaho judge denied her request to take
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Speaker 1: the current prosecutor off of the case. Valo day Bell's
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Speaker 1: legal team accused the prosecutor of misconduct after a bombshell
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Speaker 1: recording was released earlier this week. In it, you can
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Speaker 1: hear him discussing the case with Laurie's sister, claiming that
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Speaker 1: he was going to charge Laurie and her husband, Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell with conspiracy to commit murder. The prosecutor also
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Speaker 1: said there is a chance he could pursue the death
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Speaker 1: penaltyam those charges have not been filed at this time.
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Speaker 1: Chad and Laurie's joint trial is set to begin in July.
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Speaker 1: That joint trial throwing them both in the same pot
22:47
Speaker 1: to stew except for July. So where does Alex Cox?
22:51
Speaker 1: So you're just hearing in a stand up that turn
22:53
Speaker 1: into this, what part did he play in the deaths
22:57
Speaker 1: of those children? And is there a value connection to
23:03
Speaker 1: other deaths? Take a listen to garnamahia KSLTV news cut
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Speaker 1: twenty five. Religion came up again the day Cox died.
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Speaker 1: He's not breathing New docks from the Gilbert, Arizona Police
23:22
Speaker 1: Department show. The day he died, Cox got a blessing
23:25
Speaker 1: over the phone by a quote friend who East Idaho
23:28
Speaker 1: News reports was really Chad day Bell. It was a
23:31
Speaker 1: friend who alerted his new wife, Zuleima Pastines, to check
23:35
Speaker 1: on him. You're really bad, come on. But then things changed.
23:39
Speaker 1: Bastin's wanted officers to leave her house. She has detectives
23:43
Speaker 1: if she was considered a suspect in Cox's death, to
23:46
Speaker 1: which they answered no, So she told detectives. Cox was
23:50
Speaker 1: struggling with shortness of breath for about a week. He'd
23:53
Speaker 1: gone to Algolones, Mexico to pick up some prescriptions because
23:56
Speaker 1: they were cheaper, but his breathing didn't improve, and then
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Speaker 1: right before he died, he refused to go to the doctor.
24:03
Speaker 1: Welpus then has seemed to downplay her connection to day
24:06
Speaker 1: Belle and Lorie Vallo, her daughter told detectives, but then
24:09
Speaker 1: has met the very religious Cox through Valo his sister,
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Speaker 1: calling them good friends who attended the same LDS church
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Speaker 1: and preppers for the end of the world. Now a
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Speaker 1: medical examiner's report ruled Cox's death to natural causes. Now
24:26
Speaker 1: we know the bobshell is that Lorie Valo's brother, Alex
24:31
Speaker 1: Cox death ruled natural causes. There is something way wrong
24:36
Speaker 1: with this. Eric Grossarth, reporter east idahoons dot com. Are
24:39
Speaker 1: you telling me that Alex Cox is on the phone
24:43
Speaker 1: with we think Chad day Bell cult mom's fifth husband
24:47
Speaker 1: just before he dies. Yeah, the day that he died,
24:51
Speaker 1: he was on some sort of phone call with Chad
24:53
Speaker 1: day Belle where he got some sort of blessing from Chad.
24:57
Speaker 1: There's obviously some sort of concern going there, and he
25:01
Speaker 1: had some poor health issues and the day's leading up
25:04
Speaker 1: to his death. So who did he call Chad day Bell?
25:09
Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl McCallum. These two, Lorie Valo and Chad
25:13
Speaker 1: day Bell are all in so many deaths you need
25:19
Speaker 1: a chart to keep up. Okay, well you need one.
25:24
Speaker 1: And here's the thing that is so unbelievable about this.
25:28
Speaker 1: You think you've got bad health and you may be dying,
25:31
Speaker 1: and the person you choose to call is somebody that
25:34
Speaker 1: says the world ain't gonna make it no how, and
25:36
Speaker 1: everybody's a zombie and you've got, you know, dark spirits.
25:40
Speaker 1: So that's odd to me. This whole thing is odd
25:43
Speaker 1: to me. And the fact they had him cremated so
25:46
Speaker 1: fast means there's nothing to test, so they can't come
25:50
Speaker 1: back and tell us whether this was natural or not.
25:53
Speaker 1: Ryan was cremated. The third husband husband model number three
25:57
Speaker 1: for Lorie Vallo, Eric Grosart, Alex Cox cremated. Yeah, Alex's
26:03
Speaker 1: body was cremated as well, of course, after an extensive
26:06
Speaker 1: autopsy that I got the report actually made twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: of that. But they did cremate his body after they
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Speaker 1: conducted this autopsy and sent actually talx ecology reports and
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Speaker 1: samples off to another lab across the country. Just got
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Speaker 1: Morgan Death Investigator. I'm wanting to take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut twenty seven Alexe Cox's nine on one call
26:30
Speaker 1: just before he dies how old is he? He seems
26:36
Speaker 1: to be in his forties. Okay, do you know him?
26:39
Speaker 1: Oh it's my mother's boyfriend. Okay. And how old are you?
26:44
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five? Okay. I have the paramedics on the way.
26:50
Speaker 1: So he's in the restroom right now, Gilbert, can we
26:53
Speaker 1: get you started. I'm already in round all right, thank you? Okay.
26:57
Speaker 1: Is he on his back or on his stomach? Where
26:59
Speaker 1: is he at? He's on his Okay, can you lay
27:02
Speaker 1: him flat on his back on the ground. I'll try it.
27:07
Speaker 1: Just there's specs there, and I'm trying to just keep
27:10
Speaker 1: poor right now. You said he's what there's specs on
27:15
Speaker 1: the ground. Okay. I know that's gross, but if we
27:18
Speaker 1: can just go ahead and get him flat on his back,
27:20
Speaker 1: I want to make sure he's breathing, because if he's not,
27:22
Speaker 1: we're going to do a few things. You hear a
27:25
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator. We know that Alex Cox,
27:29
Speaker 1: who tased husband number three, who shot husband number four
27:32
Speaker 1: of Lorie Valos, who was transporting and taking part in
27:37
Speaker 1: the deaths of the two children suddenly out of the
27:40
Speaker 1: blue dies. Could this have been caused by some kind
27:45
Speaker 1: of poison. Is there any explanation for this that is
27:48
Speaker 1: not natural causes? It's I think that the case that
27:53
Speaker 1: the Emmy has laid out, which is very detailed, seems
27:57
Speaker 1: to point toward natural death. I think my biggest question
28:01
Speaker 1: is did they scream for everything that they could possibly
28:05
Speaker 1: scream for relative to toxicology? You know, when I looked
28:09
Speaker 1: at the tox report Nancy on him, the only two
28:12
Speaker 1: things that came up positive were narcan, which they apparently
28:15
Speaker 1: bumped him up with when they rolled onto the scene
28:17
Speaker 1: because for some reason they thought that maybe this was
28:20
Speaker 1: an opiate related event. I had heard at one point
28:25
Speaker 1: in time that he was kind of frothing at the mouth.
28:29
Speaker 1: That this is called a pulmonary admitis cone that comes
28:33
Speaker 1: out of the nose and mouth, and sometimes this is
28:35
Speaker 1: associated with a drug OD. So they popped him with
28:39
Speaker 1: a narcan. He also had caffeine. But they tested for
28:43
Speaker 1: all these other things, but nothing like really exotic. You know.
28:47
Speaker 1: One thing that came to mind for me was potentially
28:49
Speaker 1: a date great drug. Was there something that could have
28:52
Speaker 1: been given to him that would have sent him into
28:55
Speaker 1: a respiratory decline that would not have been detected? And
28:59
Speaker 1: now at this point time, he has in fact been cremated,
29:05
Speaker 1: so we can't go back and revisit that. But let
29:08
Speaker 1: me revisit one more thing with you, Nancy. The last
29:12
Speaker 1: time JJ was seen, and I'm doing huge air quotes here,
29:17
Speaker 1: alive was resting upon Alex Cox's shoulder, walking through that house,
29:24
Speaker 1: dead asleep, after he had earlier been seen crawling up
29:29
Speaker 1: on the counters and cabinets and acting, you know, completely
29:34
Speaker 1: out of control. But yet the last time this child
29:37
Speaker 1: was seen was with Alex and he was completely oblivious
29:42
Speaker 1: and passed out. And the you and I both obviously
29:44
Speaker 1: have kids. We've seen kids pass out and just dead
29:48
Speaker 1: to the world. They've run, and they've run, and they've run.
29:50
Speaker 1: But I find it very curious that JJ was last
29:53
Speaker 1: seen with Alex as well. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,
30:12
Speaker 1: guys updates, bombshell news in the case I've called mom
30:15
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and husband model number five Chad day Belle,
30:20
Speaker 1: the cult leader number one. Their courthouse coup attempt was
30:26
Speaker 1: made by the defense to throw the prosecutor off the case.
30:28
Speaker 1: After an elongated hearing, the judge says, no, denied. Now
30:34
Speaker 1: we know that brother Alex Cox, who called my mom
30:37
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, I referred to as her quote avenging angel
30:43
Speaker 1: dead by natural causes. I find it really hard to believe.
30:48
Speaker 1: Eric Grosshart, the reporter East Idaho News dot Com all
30:51
Speaker 1: over this story that he has troubled breathing for a week,
30:56
Speaker 1: refuses to go to a doctor and then get some
31:01
Speaker 1: kind of drugs from Mexico and kills over debt. Now
31:05
Speaker 1: how that equals natural causes, I'm not sure. But I'm
31:10
Speaker 1: not an MD. I'm just a JD. Let's take a listen.
31:14
Speaker 1: Eric Grossarth to Erica Stapleton, KP and XR cut twenty
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Speaker 1: recordings reveal Laurie talking about murdering her third husband, Tyleie's dad.
31:26
Speaker 1: I was going to murder him. I was going to
31:29
Speaker 1: kill him like the spuer say. I thought, I could
31:32
Speaker 1: I take it anymore. The more you dig into this
31:34
Speaker 1: case and the more you start to unravel, you realize
31:36
Speaker 1: a lot of people connected to Laurie are dead. That
31:40
Speaker 1: includes her third ex husband. He died from an apparent
31:43
Speaker 1: heart attack, but Phoenix police are reviewing that case. Chandler
31:47
Speaker 1: Police are also looking into the death of her fourth
31:49
Speaker 1: ex husband. After Laurie's brother shot and killed him. Laurie's
31:53
Speaker 1: brother is also dead, Gilbert. Police are looking into his death.
31:57
Speaker 1: And then there's Chad Day Bell's first wife. Police are
32:00
Speaker 1: also reviewing her sudden and unexpected death. And then there's
32:03
Speaker 1: the death of her kids, Tyli and JJ. No one
32:06
Speaker 1: knows why they're dead, and of course that's the biggest
32:09
Speaker 1: question of all. So let me understand this. Eric Grossarth
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Speaker 1: sighnews dot com. Alex Cox dead of heart attack, Joseph
32:18
Speaker 1: Ryan Valo, husband model three, dead of heart attack, and
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybel Chad Daybell's wife. He married Laurie Valo about
32:31
Speaker 1: two weeks after he buried his wife. She died of
32:35
Speaker 1: an apparent heart attack. Let me focus on Joseph Ryan
32:38
Speaker 1: for a moment. What can you tell me about the
32:40
Speaker 1: investigation into his death. Yeah, so that audio recording that
32:44
Speaker 1: you just played surface and that hit the news. We
32:48
Speaker 1: did a story on it. I know that Joseph Ryan's sister,
32:51
Speaker 1: Annie Cushion, you've talked to her before. She kind of
32:54
Speaker 1: threw an up war about it, and Phoenix police said, Okay,
32:57
Speaker 1: we're going to review the case, go over everything that
32:59
Speaker 1: we have. They can, of course do an autopsy because
33:01
Speaker 1: he was cremated. But they reviewed their notes and other
33:04
Speaker 1: themes and other evidence and photos and everything like that,
33:07
Speaker 1: and I was told that they have completed their investigation
33:11
Speaker 1: and his cause of death remains the same, this apparent
33:14
Speaker 1: heart attack. He died of natural causes. Who made a
33:17
Speaker 1: decision to cremate husband number three? Who made the decision?
33:21
Speaker 1: I would probably defer to Annie, And what she said
33:25
Speaker 1: in the last time you talked to her is she
33:27
Speaker 1: believes it was the state. Laurie didn't really have any
33:30
Speaker 1: contact with Joseph Ryan that we know of. During that time.
33:33
Speaker 1: They a lot of people are dropping dead and getting cremated.
33:37
Speaker 1: So I understand what you're telling me, Eric Grossarth, is
33:40
Speaker 1: that Joseph Ryan's investigation is closed. But if you look
33:45
Speaker 1: at the circumstances surrounding his death. Cheryl McCollum, he wanted
33:49
Speaker 1: to say his daughter, Okay, Tylie Tyler, who's now dead.
33:57
Speaker 1: There was a big controversy about him seeing his daughter.
34:01
Speaker 1: At one point, Tyley reportedly said he had molested her.
34:06
Speaker 1: She later recanted and said she was coached to say that.
34:11
Speaker 1: Then suddenly we find Joseph Ryan dead in his own bed, decomposing,
34:17
Speaker 1: had been dead for days on end, he gets cremated.
34:22
Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo knew he was dead and did not alert
34:24
Speaker 1: his family, according to his family, Yet somehow that has
34:30
Speaker 1: been named another death by natural causes. It seems like
34:37
Speaker 1: all these pieces of this puzzle or painting a picture
34:41
Speaker 1: that cannot be denied anybody that's got facts and evidence
34:47
Speaker 1: that she has done something wrong, whether it's concealing a murder,
34:52
Speaker 1: or you know, not taking care of the children the
34:55
Speaker 1: way that she should, or getting the children to make
34:57
Speaker 1: these statements, or getting her brother to pretend shoot a husband.
35:01
Speaker 1: You can't keep saying something is natural when you can't
35:05
Speaker 1: prove it any longer. Because they got rid of the evidence.
35:08
Speaker 1: And incidentally, these cremations that are happening so quickly, she
35:14
Speaker 1: knows that gets rid of evidence. That's exactly what happened
35:18
Speaker 1: to Tylie. So jj was not set on fire, but
35:23
Speaker 1: Tylie was for days. Remember the neighbor that said they
35:27
Speaker 1: thought they were doing a bonfire over a period of days.
35:31
Speaker 1: This was not fast, This was not quick. This has
35:35
Speaker 1: been going on with this woman for years. You know
35:39
Speaker 1: you're right. The only person alive from the day that
35:44
Speaker 1: Charles Valo was killed is now Laurie val day Bell.
35:50
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Nate Eton, East, Idaho
35:54
Speaker 1: News Cut eighteen the day to her husband, Charles was
35:58
Speaker 1: shot in Arizona by her brother. Of course, he said
36:01
Speaker 1: he did it in self defense. Charles was coming at
36:03
Speaker 1: him with a baseball bat and so he had to
36:05
Speaker 1: go get a gun to protect himself. Both Charles was
36:08
Speaker 1: an athlete, so if he's going to go in and
36:10
Speaker 1: swing with a bat, he's not gonna miss. And if
36:13
Speaker 1: you've seen the security or the survey, the bodycamera footage,
36:17
Speaker 1: if you've seen the body camera footage from the police
36:19
Speaker 1: that day, Alex is gabbing the back of his head
36:21
Speaker 1: as if he's been hit with something sharp. Maybe because
36:25
Speaker 1: he's gabbing for blood. Well, a baseball bat likely isn't
36:28
Speaker 1: going to leave a little ping on the back of
36:29
Speaker 1: your head. Tylie was in the house that day. JJ
36:33
Speaker 1: was in the house that day. They likely witnessed what happened.
36:37
Speaker 1: What we do know is that after that shooting happened,
36:40
Speaker 1: Laurie took JJ to school as her husband lays dying
36:45
Speaker 1: in the front room. She takes her son to school
36:48
Speaker 1: and then returns back and that's when Tylie and Laurie
36:52
Speaker 1: spoke with the police. But yeah, the people that were
36:54
Speaker 1: in the house that day, the only one surviving right now,
36:56
Speaker 1: the only one that saw it all play out is Laurie,
37:00
Speaker 1: and she's not talking to the police. What about Tammy
37:06
Speaker 1: day Bell. Chad Daybell's wife, healthy as a horse, preparing
37:10
Speaker 1: to run a marathon race, dies in her sleep shortly
37:15
Speaker 1: after she has made allegations her husband, Chad day Bell's
37:20
Speaker 1: having an affair with cult mom Laurie Value, according to reports.
37:24
Speaker 1: What's happening with that Eric? Has she just been lost
37:27
Speaker 1: in the sauce? You know, they exhumed their body in
37:30
Speaker 1: December twenty nineteen, and they're still telling us they're waiting
37:34
Speaker 1: for autopsy results. This has been over a year. This
37:37
Speaker 1: has been thirteen months now that they are still telling
37:41
Speaker 1: us that they're waiting for autopsy results. We don't know
37:43
Speaker 1: what happened that day other than Chad called nine one
37:47
Speaker 1: one and they found Tammy dead. That's all we know.
37:51
Speaker 1: Where do his children stand on that Tammy Daybelle's children,
37:55
Speaker 1: You know, they aren't really talking right now. They've kind
37:58
Speaker 1: of stayed there personal lives throughout all of this, which
38:02
Speaker 1: is understandable. But from what we know, is some of
38:06
Speaker 1: her kids have lived in the house where Tammy died
38:09
Speaker 1: since then, But other than that, it's a big mystery.
38:13
Speaker 1: And I think that's some of the questions that people
38:15
Speaker 1: are hoping to be answered over the next coming months. Nancy, Yeah, yeah,
38:21
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you when it comes to Tammy day, Belle,
38:24
Speaker 1: do you recall what I said about Alex earlier where
38:27
Speaker 1: I mentioned the froth the Ademitas cone one of the
38:30
Speaker 1: reports with Tammy when kids came into the room, what
38:33
Speaker 1: did they see? Well, one of the kids actually said
38:36
Speaker 1: there was froth coming from Tammy, from Mommy's mouth and nose,
38:41
Speaker 1: or from mom's mouth and nose. And this gives me
38:44
Speaker 1: an indication that she's in some kind of congestive failure
38:48
Speaker 1: where her lungs are troubled all right, where she is
38:52
Speaker 1: distressed in some way from a respiratory standpoint. Now, how
38:55
Speaker 1: does this healthy woman, and as you put it, she
38:58
Speaker 1: was training to run a race, how does she suddenly die,
39:03
Speaker 1: you know, overnight, And how are they having this awareness
39:06
Speaker 1: you know in the corner, didn't even bother to come
39:09
Speaker 1: to the scene on this case. This is one of
39:10
Speaker 1: the things that really rubs me in the wrong way.
39:13
Speaker 1: Because one of the things I do in academia study corners,
39:16
Speaker 1: and the thing that you have to do with a
39:18
Speaker 1: found death is go to the scene and examine the body.
39:21
Speaker 1: I think that the corner actually went to the funeral home.
39:24
Speaker 1: But then they said, well, it appears natural. It appears natural,
39:28
Speaker 1: and they released her. And this is the problem anytime
39:32
Speaker 1: you move a body across state lines and her body
39:35
Speaker 1: was buried in Utah, keep that in mind. Body has
39:38
Speaker 1: to being bomb okay, but they still have a body,
39:42
Speaker 1: all right. They buried her and she was in the
39:44
Speaker 1: ground for a while. I'm thinking that the Utah State
39:49
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner down down in Salt Lake City is really
39:54
Speaker 1: playing this close to the vest because they are working
39:57
Speaker 1: with the police very carefully. I'm not saying that they're
40:00
Speaker 1: not still exploring things, but I think that they're holding
40:03
Speaker 1: back on releasing any further information until they have exhausted
40:07
Speaker 1: every possibility. And I think that this is going to
40:09
Speaker 1: drop in a big way when they come out with
40:13
Speaker 1: this information relative to Tammy, because listen, hey, Alex is gone,
40:18
Speaker 1: the third husband is gone. You know, there's nothing left behind.
40:24
Speaker 1: There's nothing left behind that we can further examine. Now,
40:27
Speaker 1: Tammy and ain't much to examine because she's been embalmed
40:30
Speaker 1: and she was in the ground for a while. But
40:33
Speaker 1: you know, by golly, we've got a body and we
40:35
Speaker 1: have examined it, and not to mention, it's been examined
40:38
Speaker 1: by one of the top state medical examiners in the nation. Nancy,
40:42
Speaker 1: there's information here, I guarantee it. Long story, short, tick
40:46
Speaker 1: talk talk, When, if ever, will there be murder charges
40:52
Speaker 1: against Lorie Valo and husband number five, cult leader Chad
40:56
Speaker 1: day Bell. But remember this, they're behind balls. Why rush
41:02
Speaker 1: the state? This takes time. If the defense wanted to
41:07
Speaker 1: raise ahead, they could file demand for speedy trial and
41:09
Speaker 1: go on trial. They don't want to go forward either.
41:12
Speaker 1: What's the state doing? What's the hold up? We wait
41:17
Speaker 1: as justice unfalse? Nancy Grace Crime story signing off, goodbye friend,