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Providence Falls 3: Thief of Fate · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast. I'm
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Speaker 2: Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark fan.
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Speaker 1: I'm Wendy. I'm a former Hallmark hater.
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Speaker 2: On today's episode, we are discussing Providence Falls Episode three,
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Speaker 2: Movie three, Part three, Thief of Fate, the third in
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Speaker 2: a trilogy of Providence Falls movies. This one originally aired
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Speaker 2: on Hallmark Channel on Saturday, August sixteenth, and is now
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Speaker 2: available to stream on the Hallmark Plus streaming platform. You
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Speaker 1: We also have a Facebook group if you are looking
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Speaker 1: for people to chat with about Hallmark movies. There's been
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Speaker 1: lots of chatter about this particular movie in our Girls
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Speaker 1: Gone Hallmark Facebook group. Have you been over there this morning?
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Speaker 2: I haven't been over there this morning, but as I
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Speaker 2: was compiling our listener mailbag episode which will come out tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: I believe as of the airing of this episode, lots
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Speaker 2: of Providence Falls talk and I have to say that
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Speaker 2: I'm taking some of the opinions quite personally, so that
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Speaker 2: should be an interesting conversation. But I don't think this
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Speaker 2: is not one of those movies where it's a universal experience.
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Speaker 2: People feel really strong in one way or the other.
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Speaker 2: And I've I've found it very interesting.
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Speaker 1: That I can't wait to get into the mail bag.
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Speaker 1: I definitely can't That's gonna be fun, that's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a big, long discussion. I think I'm excited for it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of mail bag mentioned, we do have a
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Speaker 2: new episode coming out tomorrow, but that means we are
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Speaker 2: in need of brand new listener mailbag submissions for our
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Speaker 2: next episode, so keep them coming. A lot of people say, like,
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Speaker 2: I always think of something I want to say while
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Speaker 2: I'm listening and then I just forget, And I totally
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Speaker 2: get it. If anybody gets that, it's me. But here
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Speaker 2: is your reminder. If you have something you want to say,
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Speaker 2: drop us an email or a voice message. Yeah, even
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Speaker 2: to the email's probably better because that's where we like
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Speaker 2: compile in the dms. It can get lost a.
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Speaker 1: Little bit with the number of dms we get. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if something comes to mind right away, please like,
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Speaker 1: let us know, however, send a carryer pigeon.
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Speaker 2: We don't care. All right, let's hear a synopsis for
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Speaker 2: Providence Falls, Thief of Fate.
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Speaker 1: Detectives Cora and Liam close in on solving their murder
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Speaker 1: case and rebel against the Angels, choosing to take fate
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Speaker 1: into their own hands. Uh spoiler alert. The whole thing
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Speaker 1: just tells you what happens and the synopsis star does
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Speaker 1: it not?
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Speaker 2: It really does? Oh my gosh, it really does. We
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Speaker 2: have Lucy Guests returning as director. She did direct the
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Speaker 2: first movie as well. I have some thoughts on Lucy's
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Speaker 2: directing all positive, don't freak out, but thrilled to have
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Speaker 2: her back, and just saw an announcement of a Christmas
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Speaker 2: movie she's directing. She's quickly becoming one of my faves,
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Speaker 2: very much looking forward to more from her. The teleplay
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Speaker 2: for this movie was written by Teresa Kale. She has
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Speaker 2: nine writing credits, having written multiple episodes of the series
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Speaker 2: Girl Meets World as well as Trolls Topi and The
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Speaker 2: one new casting edition we have for this episode is
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Speaker 2: one Brendan Penny, who appears as the Angel Gabriel. He's
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Speaker 2: not even credited on IMDb. For this movie. His last
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Speaker 2: IMDb credit is Private Princess Christmas from Countdown to Christmas
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. He also was in a novel on
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Speaker 2: the Wall in twenty twenty four, Love on the Danube
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and Family Practice Mysteries in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: Big twenty twenty four, Real Light twenty twenty five. So
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Speaker 2: I hope we're gonna see Brendan in an upcoming Countdown
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Speaker 2: to Christmas movie.
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Speaker 1: Man, I'll never forget Brendan Penny on the Hallmark Christmas
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Speaker 1: Cruise playing Family Feud. He was so funny, so so
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Speaker 1: into it.
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Speaker 2: I loved.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very entertaining, very entertaining.
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Speaker 2: Let's take aquick break and come right back with our
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Speaker 2: first impressions. Hey, Wendy, what was your first impression of
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Speaker 2: Providence Falls Thief of Fate?
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Speaker 1: Well, Finn moved on so fast even Hallmark was like,
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Speaker 1: whoa slow down, buddy.
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Speaker 2: My first impression is I'm gonna need Nil Materer to
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Speaker 2: be the villain in all of his movies going forward,
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Speaker 2: please and thank you. It's in my likes.
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Speaker 1: He's so good as a villain, the best lakes, so likable,
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Speaker 1: but like also you're a bad guy, and I love
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Speaker 1: it so very much. So if we can talk about
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Speaker 1: my first like, it's the Bail and Susette backstory here,
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Speaker 1: and finally we get some you know, we get some
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Speaker 1: information about Susette and how she's plucked out of purgatory
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Speaker 1: in exchange for like manipulating Cora and Finn, and I
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Speaker 1: feel like that's all juicy and yummy, and I loved
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. But it's the scene that Niall as
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Speaker 1: Bail does with Agon in the bar that I really
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Speaker 1: really loved.
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Speaker 2: He's so nasty and I just loved it. Yeah, he
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Speaker 2: really does play the person from the bad place really well. God,
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: He's just like mean, mean, but like not I was
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Speaker 1: like mean but not scary, but kind of also really
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Speaker 1: scary when like someone like very calculated like that, right, Well,
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Speaker 1: Samiel was like, we're gonna find whoever was working for
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Speaker 1: you and take them out of the equation, and Bill's
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Speaker 1: like you can try.
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, okay, m to your point. My one of
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Speaker 2: my likes of this movie was excellent use of guest stars.
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Speaker 2: Nile mat truly knocked it out of the park, like
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Speaker 2: he is was such a great surprise. A lot of
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Speaker 2: people knew who was coming. I don't watch the preview,
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Speaker 2: so I didn't, and I guess maybe I should have
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Speaker 2: because other people knew that Brendan Penny was in this
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Speaker 2: and I have no idea idea. Like when the Brendan
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Speaker 2: shows up on screen, I'm like, literally out loud. I
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Speaker 2: was like, look who it is. Brendan Penny was a
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Speaker 2: nice surprise. His role as Gabriel wasn't as strong as
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Speaker 2: the Bail role in my opinion. But I like when
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Speaker 2: they use big names for these little roles. It's just
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Speaker 2: nice for this regular Hallmark viewer. Nice little There are
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Speaker 2: no little roles, Megan, Well, correct, there's no small parts. Yes,
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Speaker 2: that's it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I'm not in the industry. I don't know, but I
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Speaker 2: knew it was something along those lines.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 2: I like when they use big names for these brief
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Speaker 2: on screen appearances. There you go, there you go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like a fun I wondered if they were,
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Speaker 1: like if they were cast that way, or were they
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Speaker 1: just working nearby or they just have like a friendly
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Speaker 1: connection with like whomever and they're like, oh hey, let
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Speaker 1: me call my friend a nile mater and see if
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Speaker 1: he wants to do this.
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Speaker 2: Or you know. Yeah. To me, it seems like for
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Speaker 2: a role like that, it has got to be that
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Speaker 2: they were they either live in the area or they
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Speaker 2: were working in the area, because it's a lot to
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Speaker 2: fly them in and house them and all of that
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Speaker 2: just for a day, so they're knowing nothing about anything.
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Speaker 2: As referenced many times, it does seem more likely that
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Speaker 2: they're using local actors for short on screen appearance roles. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me of that movie. I think it's
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Speaker 1: Heidelberg Holiday. Is that the one about like Jonathan Bennett
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Speaker 1: is like in the background because he just so.
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Speaker 2: Has he was there. Yeah, yeah, that was great funny.
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Speaker 2: I have another like, well, I've got lots of yes,
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Speaker 2: But I really liked the full circle moment we get.
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Speaker 2: It starts with Cora and her dad talking as he's
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Speaker 2: bringing her home from the hospital about how he remembered
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Speaker 2: when she was little he would take her to work
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Speaker 2: with him and she just loved it, and she's like,
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Speaker 2: I didn't, I just wanted to be near you. And
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Speaker 2: then it comes around at the end of the movie
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Speaker 2: where she leaves her role as a detective and she's
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Speaker 2: like I did this to stay close to you, Like
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Speaker 2: this was a way that you and I could be
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Speaker 2: in each other's lives. It wasn't my dream, and he's
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Speaker 2: there for it. And it's nice that she's not letting go.
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Speaker 2: Like we're led to believe like this was her big
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Speaker 2: dream to become a detective, and we realized that was
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Speaker 2: never her motivation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem, the problem for me with all
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Speaker 1: of that is, you know, she was so for a
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Speaker 1: lack of better words, pissed off that her boss, the
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Speaker 1: she for whatever was questioning her instincts and whatever. And
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Speaker 1: that led me to believe like she was a really
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Speaker 1: good detective and she I guess both can exist. She
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Speaker 1: was a really good detective, but it wasn't her life's passion.
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Speaker 2: So it just.
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Speaker 1: Bothered me that she's like, yeah, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: do this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, Like it felt like it was
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Speaker 2: too easy for her to let it go. Yeah to me,
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Speaker 2: hearing like talking about how she was bothered by her
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Speaker 2: Boston Take her seriously. I think you're right, Like, two
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Speaker 2: things can be true. This isn't my only goal in life,
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Speaker 2: But do I feel strongly enough about my ability to
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Speaker 2: make second chances of success that I'm really ready to
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Speaker 2: walk away from it. And also maybe it's not my dream,
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Speaker 2: but I'm a badass woman and I want to do
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Speaker 2: whatever I do well and be taken seriously. Yeah that's
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Speaker 2: fair because like how many people are there, Like a
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Speaker 2: lot of the dudes are just there to collect the
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Speaker 2: paycheck and they're being taken seriously. Mm hmmmmmmm. What else
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Speaker 2: did you like?
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Chief Boyd, Look, he's my MVP. I love
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Speaker 1: that Mattie Finocchio. We've been saying for a long time,
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Speaker 1: give this guy a bigger role. This is a pretty
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Speaker 1: big role. I think I sort of love that he
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Speaker 1: was the bad guy. And did I not call it?
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Speaker 1: I knew, mister red flag totally that you called it. Yep,
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Speaker 1: I was wrong about her dad and Leo, but.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to be a red herring. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: I knew who was the bad guy. It was so obvious.
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Speaker 1: However, with that said, I love that Matty Pinocchio got
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Speaker 1: this big role, and I think I'm ready to see
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Speaker 1: him in something equally as big, but where he's the
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Speaker 1: good guy or the love interest or the whatever. You know.
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Speaker 2: I love him.
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Speaker 1: I think he's awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, give him a starring role and counted a Christmas
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Speaker 2: come on totally think speaking of things that were obvious
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Speaker 2: but that I did not notice. That is the u
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Speaker 2: of second chances as having double meaning both for the
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Speaker 2: community that they serve as well as second chances for
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Speaker 2: these lost souls. Liam gets his second chance to prove himself.
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Speaker 2: I liked that they did a nice job tight and
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Speaker 2: tying it in all together. I was as we were
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Speaker 2: getting to the conclusion of the movie, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I could see how this book was. The books were
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Speaker 2: probably very satisfying if they if the story followed because
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Speaker 2: I didn't read the books, but if the story followed
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Speaker 2: the books in a similar fashion, I could see how
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Speaker 2: it all tied together nicely. What else did you like?
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Speaker 1: I like that sexy spaghetti dinner scene.
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Speaker 2: Literally my notes that spaghetti dinner exclamation point damn Lucy guest.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, the whole part where she's like moving the wine
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Speaker 1: glass further and further and further away from him. I
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Speaker 1: was like, that's so subtle, but also so like quite interesting.
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Speaker 1: I wondered, like if that was a Lucy guest, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, we're at him closer. Yeah, was that direction
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Speaker 1: from our director. How did that whole like I want
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Speaker 1: to be a fly in the room When they were
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Speaker 1: talking that cia, I just thought it was real sexy.
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Speaker 1: And if you look at all three movies together, there
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Speaker 1: were a lot of i'm gonna say, like upgraded sexy
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Speaker 1: scenes compared to like regular Hamewark movies didn't. Don't you
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Speaker 1: think so yet?
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Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a special gift to be
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Speaker 2: able to work within the parameters of what Hallmark wants
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Speaker 2: on their screens and still send the steamy message. Like
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Speaker 2: that chair pole, Oh my god, is so hot and
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Speaker 2: so innocuous, Like everyone's clothes are on. There's really no
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Speaker 2: physical contact, nothing happened, but the pole of the chair
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Speaker 2: is just enough. It's like the zipper scene. Like the
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Speaker 2: zipper is I think maybe a little more obvious, because
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Speaker 2: like the idea of unzipping something is really sex but
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Speaker 2: like a chair, there's nothing inherently sexy about a chair,
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Speaker 2: and yet it was great.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I absolutely agree.
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Speaker 2: Especially because the whole time he's telling Cora this story
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Speaker 2: about his past failures and what's helping what's not helping him,
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Speaker 2: what's making him keep her at arm's length? Like why
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Speaker 2: he's afraid to get closer to her, and so then
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Speaker 2: like the metaphor of pulling the chair good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like even the way that the chair scrapes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: on the floor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing really works. It really works. With
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Speaker 2: one exception, I thought that the suspenseful scenes in this
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Speaker 2: movie were done pretty well. Liam getting separated from the
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Speaker 2: group when Aggon interferes. I thought that was genuinely suspenseful.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't totally sure it was going to happen there.
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Speaker 2: I thought his dive in front of the bullet was
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Speaker 2: well done. We'll talk about a saying that I thought
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Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent for me, but I did think
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Speaker 2: that they really brought the suspense for me.
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Speaker 1: I will agree that seeing in the tunnel, there was
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Speaker 1: one part of it that was a little bit hokey,
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Speaker 1: and I wonder if that is going to be in
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Speaker 1: your wishes, I'm sure, but yeah, I thought I thought
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Speaker 1: that was good too, because I was like, where's the
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Speaker 1: agon leading him? Like what's happening here?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thought, did you at any point wonder if Egon
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Speaker 2: wasn't Agon, like if it was Bail in disguise like
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Speaker 2: leading him? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I did not, but that would have been a fun twist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when he disappears for a second, I was like,
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Speaker 2: oh he being led astray? Yeah yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Do you have any more likes?
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Speaker 2: I have two little ones. Well, okay, Cora. I really
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Speaker 2: liked that Cora's realization of who Liam was in their
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Speaker 2: relationship with something she came to on her own and
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Speaker 2: wasn't something that she needed to have Angels blained to her,
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Speaker 2: h Okay, I didn't want them sitting there being like, no,
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Speaker 2: the reason why we feel connected is that I needed
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Speaker 2: her to get there on her own. I think that's
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Speaker 2: the only way she understands it. And finally, when Finn
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Speaker 2: takes off to apprehend Magnus after Susette sees that text
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Speaker 2: on her phone, she's like, wait, I want to know
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Speaker 2: what happens at the end of our day and he returns,
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Speaker 2: oh to kiss her. Yeah. Yeah, it's an A plus scene.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you know, I like I like Finn.
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Speaker 1: I really like Evan Roderick a lot. I know I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be like, maybe I'm gonna have to get into
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Speaker 1: some auroraty Garden.
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Speaker 2: Oh my, want to watch some Evan Roderick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you have more likes?
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Speaker 2: I don't. Well, I'm wondering if you'd like to talk
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Speaker 2: about Finn and your wishes.
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Speaker 1: Well about his Like the way he moves on so fast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't hate it, but I wonder if you did.
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Speaker 1: Really I did. I just I'm like, he moves on
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Speaker 1: real fast, like real fast, and I feel to me
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Speaker 1: like it undercuts the emotional weight of Cora choosing Liam
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Speaker 1: because it makes it feel like nobody really cared that much,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: He had Susette lighting in the wings that was no
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Speaker 2: big deal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and and Coor being so worried about Finn
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Speaker 1: that I appreciated, Like I was like, Okay, she really
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Speaker 1: cares about him as like a person or as a friend,
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Speaker 1: like she wants she's worried about his safety. So I
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Speaker 1: enjoyed like that part of it, Like she wasn't just like, eh,
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Speaker 1: he's just some dude or whatever. But Finn, on the
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Speaker 1: other hand, I was like, Finn dude, like no love lost, Like, oh,
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Speaker 1: Cora chose Liam, so oh bestie looks good.
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Speaker 2: So especially after the second movie where he looks so
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Speaker 2: forlorn seeing them kissed. Yes, yes, and we're talking couple
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Speaker 2: days later, Yes, just days later, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was kind yeah bothered.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about Suzette though being pissed when
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Speaker 2: Cora goes on that date with Finn.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not really sure, Like I have a
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Speaker 1: hard time understanding Susette's motivations, Like is she just there?
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Speaker 1: I mean, was she just doing all those things just
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Speaker 1: so she could live in the modern world? Like she
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Speaker 1: didn't kind of like how Cora's like, was our friendship
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Speaker 1: all bs? Like, Well, that's my question about Suzette, right,
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Speaker 1: because when we learn that she's working for bail, you
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Speaker 1: start to question her motivation, but then she seems to
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Speaker 1: genuinely like she says, yeah, of course she was there
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Speaker 1: to just do a job, but then she became a
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Speaker 1: genuine friend of Cora's. I feel like she's not acting
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Speaker 1: like a genuine friend to Cora when she's frustrated by
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Speaker 1: Cora's spending time with Finn, Like because Cora has two
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Speaker 1: guys on the hook, maybe she's upseteah, But yeah, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that Suzette's entitled to one of them. She's
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Speaker 1: not in a relationship with either. She hasn't done anything wrong,
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Speaker 1: and so I didn't love that from Susette. I thought
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Speaker 1: that was like told us a different story about who
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Speaker 1: she was in her motivations than we were led to believe.
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Speaker 1: At the conclusion, as mentioned, there's a scene that doesn't
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Speaker 1: land for me, and that is when they catch Boyd.
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Speaker 2: He shuts up the light and runs. That's it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's not screaming mastermind criminal to me, he.
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Speaker 1: Like shuts the lights off and takes off, and then
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Speaker 1: Susaid just flips the switch back on and then.
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Speaker 2: They run after him. I was like, what this guy's
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Speaker 2: been running? It was like criminal enterprise and that's his
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Speaker 2: best move.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad it didn't land for you either, because
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Speaker 1: I was like, what.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't my wasn't my favorite moment. I'm so sorry, Maddie.
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Speaker 2: I still love you.
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Speaker 1: Was it equally as bad as when the guy fumbles
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Speaker 1: the gun in the movie number one?
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Speaker 2: They have the same energy, for sure? Yeah, for sure?
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Speaker 1: For sure?
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Speaker 2: For sure.
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Speaker 1: The moment when the angels appear in front of Cora, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it was a little bit too much for me.
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Speaker 2: It's it's and you mentioned it.
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Speaker 1: I think in it was either last week's episode. But
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Speaker 1: you're like the quantum weep. Yeah, that's all I could
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Speaker 1: think of when I when I saw it now, I
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Speaker 1: was like, this is a little bit unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the challenge of a movie where you're
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Speaker 2: incorporating angels who are not human? How do you how
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Speaker 2: do you express that right? Because I think the better
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Speaker 2: way to do it is they just walk on screen
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Speaker 2: as opposed to materializing.
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Speaker 1: On Yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 2: The only thing is that doesn't then communicate to the
19:28
Speaker 2: person who doesn't know who they are that they are otherworldly.
19:31
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. How Cora's I think she even says like,
19:37
Speaker 2: I know what's going on here, but this is still
19:39
Speaker 2: hard for me to accept when she sees them. So
19:42
Speaker 2: I think I think they need in like a little
19:45
Speaker 2: bit of some sort of other worldliness in order for
19:48
Speaker 2: her to fully grasp what is going on. But I
19:51
Speaker 2: don't think there's a way to do it. In the book,
19:53
Speaker 2: they like materialize out of the mist, and that gives
19:56
Speaker 2: me hokey vibes too, Like totally in all of it,
20:00
Speaker 2: it's hard to execute. I don't love it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, even with Brendan Penny, Like at the end as Gabriel,
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Speaker 1: I was like, He's like I'm right here.
20:09
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I don't know. I don't know.
20:14
Speaker 1: I have to admit, like, as much as I liked
20:17
Speaker 1: the end of movie two, like just this movie like
20:20
Speaker 1: kind of just.
20:22
Speaker 2: Limped into home base for me, Oh, was that a
20:25
Speaker 2: same thing? Yeah?
20:26
Speaker 1: I just was like, this is like too much, Like
20:28
Speaker 1: all this all this angel stuff was was.
20:32
Speaker 2: Too much for me.
20:35
Speaker 1: I also didn't really like that we didn't get any
20:37
Speaker 1: closure on Bail.
20:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm guessing you know, we didn't get closure
20:47
Speaker 1: on his efforts, Like I wanted to see him be like,
20:50
Speaker 1: dagnam it it didn't work or whatever, like you know whatever.
20:54
Speaker 1: But wait, did it work though? Because he was trying
20:59
Speaker 1: not to get them to get right?
21:01
Speaker 2: I guess technically he prevented Cora and Finn from getting together,
21:04
Speaker 2: but second chances happens.
21:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just they didn't. They didn't.
21:11
Speaker 1: They needed to close that chapter out. We needed to
21:14
Speaker 1: see something that ended his story or that he moved
21:18
Speaker 1: on to another mission or well whatever to that point,
21:23
Speaker 1: do you think this would have been better served as
21:25
Speaker 1: a series of eight episodes? No, because I thought three
21:29
Speaker 1: was too long.
21:30
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting because I think in a series, they
21:34
Speaker 2: could have done all of those things like you could
21:36
Speaker 2: have had we would have dug a little deeper into
21:38
Speaker 2: Bail and Susette, and maybe there would have been a
21:41
Speaker 2: little more of a window between Finn's Finn's letdown and
21:47
Speaker 2: hooking up with Susette.
21:49
Speaker 1: Rebound is Yeah, I mean, I guess I could see
21:55
Speaker 1: that like a six episode maybe an eight episode one season.
21:59
Speaker 1: Wonder sure I could. I could maybe get get onto that.
22:03
Speaker 2: I don't know.
22:04
Speaker 1: Part of me felt like three movies. Six hours was
22:07
Speaker 1: too long. My biggest complaint Movie number one was that
22:11
Speaker 1: it was slow. I thought this this installment was also
22:15
Speaker 1: a little bit slow, but it was so heavy on
22:18
Speaker 1: the solving the crime part of it that I didn't
22:22
Speaker 1: really care about. So that's where I land. All Right,
22:28
Speaker 1: are you readfferent?
22:28
Speaker 2: Did you see that?
22:29
Speaker 1: Yes?
22:29
Speaker 2: I have none, Okay, I have two little, very little.
22:35
Speaker 2: In movie one, I thought I bumped on something. They
22:38
Speaker 2: were using they pronouns for Gabriel. Yeah, it's a he.
22:42
Speaker 2: They straight up use he him pronouns in this movie.
22:45
Speaker 2: So that was a nothing burger. Finally, they go to
22:49
Speaker 2: the bar Dante's like Dante's Inferno about you know, the
22:53
Speaker 2: seven circles of hell. Funny now that's all.
22:57
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I just had to did to see that.
23:02
Speaker 1: I just made the connection. The coffee place that they
23:06
Speaker 1: go to is called the Cat something the cat Cafe
23:09
Speaker 1: or something like that. And Susette was a cat burglar.
23:14
Speaker 1: Look at that, Look at me. Put the pieces together.
23:18
Speaker 2: I love how like the worst people, they can come
23:20
Speaker 2: up with our burglars. Right. Liam was a bad guy
23:23
Speaker 2: because he used to steal from people. And Susette, you know,
23:26
Speaker 2: her soul needed salvation because she was a cat burglar.
23:28
Speaker 2: Like these, these are the souls that need redemption. Although
23:33
Speaker 2: I guess when you think about it, we don't really
23:35
Speaker 2: want to see redemption for like super bad guys. So sure,
23:38
Speaker 2: I don't want to see like a murderer being like, well,
23:40
Speaker 2: now you're nice, so I forget you. Yeah, good point.
23:45
Speaker 2: Well I'm a little worried about your rating.
23:48
Speaker 1: I mean, it does not change from movie one or two.
23:52
Speaker 1: It's a four star. I give it five. Are you
23:56
Speaker 1: for real?
23:57
Speaker 2: Really?
23:57
Speaker 1: Yeah?
23:57
Speaker 2: I liked this series a lot, and I thought the
23:59
Speaker 2: movie I like it.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you did.
24:01
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did so, I'm are you putting the
24:04
Speaker 2: boxing gloves on?
24:05
Speaker 1: In the Girls Gonne Hallmark Facebook group and like really
24:07
Speaker 1: defending your choice here.
24:09
Speaker 2: I mean, if it doesn't hit, it doesn't hit. We've
24:11
Speaker 2: been there too, So I thought it was well executed.
24:16
Speaker 2: I was into the story. I thought the production value
24:18
Speaker 2: was super high. I thought Lachlan and Katie and Evan
24:23
Speaker 2: were fan frea fantastic as we're Maddie and niall like,
24:26
Speaker 2: I really, I think there's a lot of positives about
24:29
Speaker 2: that movie. But if the story doesn't hit for you,
24:31
Speaker 2: the story doesn't hit, it's.
24:33
Speaker 1: I just mean, like i'd even four stars. You know,
24:36
Speaker 1: four stars is not a bad rating.
24:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not, and I'm not saying you. A lot
24:40
Speaker 2: of people like I didn't like this, and I think
24:42
Speaker 2: it's just so different from what they've come to expect
24:46
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. The style of the movie.
24:47
Speaker 2: People are like, is it a mystery? And then so
24:49
Speaker 2: they were like, well, I don't like mystery, so I
24:51
Speaker 2: don't like this, But I feel like, eh, the mystery
24:56
Speaker 2: was heavy in Movie three, but not throughout. It was
24:58
Speaker 2: just kind of a third place point to me. And
25:01
Speaker 2: it's it's just different. And I think the trilogy, which
25:05
Speaker 2: is not what they're calling it. They call it a
25:06
Speaker 2: mini series, a three part special event. You know, I
25:10
Speaker 2: think that's different and people have a hard time wrapping
25:12
Speaker 2: their heads around that, so we'll talk more about it
25:15
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