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E.395: The Gut - Skin - Mind Axis & The Role Of Good Nutrition On Skin Ft. Dr Mark Tager · Skin Anarchy

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SPEAKER_05: And I know that we are going to learn a lot from him.
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SPEAKER_05: So without further ado, I would like to introduce you guys to Dr.
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SPEAKER_05: Mark Tagger, who is an MD.
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SPEAKER_05: He is the CEO of San Diego-based Change Well Incorporated, which is an organization that trains and coaches certified nutritionists, licensed aestheticians, and other healthcare practitioners so that they can enhance their craft.
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SPEAKER_05: So welcome, Dr.
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SPEAKER_05: Tagger.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm so honored to be hosting you.
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SPEAKER_05: I can't wait to learn from you.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I think we should have some fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's uh yeah, fire away.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's get started.
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SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_05: No, I would love to uh start off by just learning about you.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, I want to learn about how you got into medicine and then how you went, you know, how and why you went the, you know, the nutrition route and then the book and all the good stuff.
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SPEAKER_05: So I would love to hear the the walk down memory lane.
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SPEAKER_00: You could say okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll I'll try to compress a long memory lane into a short one.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I started out in medical school at Duke and we didn't have any nutrition education.
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SPEAKER_00: I was one of the uh I started the first nutrition training class for medical students.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's really uh uh it's a shame because the average traditional allopathic physician gets about 19 hours of nutrition education throughout their entire experience.
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SPEAKER_00: There's there's just not enough of that.
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SPEAKER_00: And we we know that so many of the conditions that practitioners see are nutritionally related.
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SPEAKER_00: So my my work has been in two camps.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, one is I've been kind of a leader in the wellness movement starting very early on, and integrative functional approaches for which so much is lifestyle based.
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SPEAKER_00: And then the second part of that, and probably the last 20 years, I've been pretty heavily involved with aesthetics.
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SPEAKER_00: We created a company called the Fraxel that made the Fraxel laser.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we revolutionized how skin care, how skin rejuvenation is done.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what I've been able to do in this last book, this is my 11th, and it's called Feed Your Skin Right, is try to pull together the what I've learned from integrative functional work and what I've learned from aesthetics to answer four questions.
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SPEAKER_00: These are the same four questions that I am always asked by everyone.
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SPEAKER_00: What should I eat?
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SPEAKER_00: What supplements should I take?
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SPEAKER_00: What topicals should I apply?
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SPEAKER_00: And what procedure should I have?
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SPEAKER_00: And uh most of the folks want a simple answer, and I give them one.
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SPEAKER_00: It depends.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh the book is what it depends upon, and what you can do to really craft a personalized approach for your well-being and your radiant skin.
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SPEAKER_05: I love that.
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SPEAKER_05: I love that you said it's such a simple answer.
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SPEAKER_05: No, it's not.
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SPEAKER_00: That's why we write books about it, right?
4:47
SPEAKER_05: No, but you know what?
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SPEAKER_05: You said you said something so, so um accurate.
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SPEAKER_05: And I really hope somebody is listening in that sit seems to sit on, you know, uh a committee for medical education because you're right, you know, nutrition is not taught even, you know, when I was in med school, it was like not even heard of, you know, even then.
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SPEAKER_05: And it was like it, I mean, you kind of had some courses, but it's like you learn what vitamin B is, you know, you learn about folate, you learn about, you know, these this just the general stuff.
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SPEAKER_05: And it was never ever about how are carbs broken down, how are, you know, how are nutrients utilized in your body?
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SPEAKER_05: So I find your work to be extremely um at the center of so much.
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SPEAKER_05: That's that's truly, you know, what it is.
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SPEAKER_05: And um, I would love for you to actually talk to us about the books because I know that you you mentioned the 11th one, the most recent one, but really when did you decide that you wanted to, you know, become an author and then put this down, you know, in writing?
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SPEAKER_05: Um, how what what routes did you take, you know, when you know that you wanted to educate?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those are those are some different questions.
5:52
SPEAKER_00: Um so uh, you know, each one of us really has to figure out what our superpower is.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, for me, you know, I was a clinician, I was seeing a lot of patients one-to-one.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I had set up actually uh uh uh an institute for preventive medicine in Portland, Oregon, way back in the 70s.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I went on to Kaiser Permanente, where I helped them uh create their health promotion programs for business and industry.
6:21
SPEAKER_00: And I started writing a newspaper column and started doing some radio and TV things.
6:27
SPEAKER_00: And then I guess I realized at some point that my my skill set, which is really the ability to organize, clarify, and uh disseminate, take complicated messages and make them simple for people, my skills were better one to many than one-to-one.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, I guess once I realized that, I realized that I sort of had more of a mandate to take those skills and um help shape communities and help shape groups of people where I could make the the biggest impact.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, there are many great clinicians, and I know so many, and I send people to them.
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SPEAKER_00: But my work is more at this point in my career, in my life, more about trying to reach larger groups who can take a message and run with it.
7:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I I teach a lot of, I do a lot of work teaching presentation skills as well, and I've trained hundreds and hundreds of doctors.
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SPEAKER_00: And what amazes me is that, you know, we get up on a stage or we get on video or we're on a podcast, and you never know when the words that you speak, the images that you show, the exercises that you take people through will resonate within them to create a new possibility in their minds and hearts.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's what we do.
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SPEAKER_00: That's that's what the best healers do in a lot of ways.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure, we tell you whether you need this much B12 or that much B12 or this much folate, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_00: But what we really try to do is create a um a resounding message of possibility in the minds and hearts of others, and then support them on a journey to lifestyle and wellness.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, as a uh quote unquote a wellness practitioner, I mean, and there's so many of us who identify with with that, I think of that wellness as this great big waiting room that we're trying to get people into to help them reach optimal health.
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SPEAKER_00: And there are doors into this waiting room.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the biggest doors, excuse me, my my computer just dinged all.
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SPEAKER_00: I will shut it up.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the greatest, the biggest doors is the door of appearance.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, you can use the term vanity, but it really is the inner re the outer reflection of the inner glow um for beauty within.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that that drives a lot of folks.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we don't ever want to discount that the skin being the largest organ in the body, um, and the importance that people pay, particularly now these days, looking at yourself at Zoom all day long.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: So uh that's kind of been my approach and and my my skill set and gift, I think.
9:17
SPEAKER_05: I love that.
9:18
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I love that you um said what you said, which is you know that you're you had to identify where your strengths were and your gift was.
9:27
SPEAKER_05: And I think that that's something that a lot of, you know, young professionals, even you know, my colleagues, I I notice everywhere, right?
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SPEAKER_05: Every group, um, age group, whatnot, people have a hard time doing that.
9:39
SPEAKER_05: You know, there's a lot of creators out there these days.
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SPEAKER_05: And that's really why I'm bringing this, you know, shining a light on this specific point that you made, because there's a lot of people out there that are creating content, they're, you know, on social media, they're doing things, and that's wonderful.
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SPEAKER_05: But I think that it's very important to always find the best outlet, you know, for yourself, because oftentimes your message might get, you know, missed or overlooked.
10:07
SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, if if you're going down a road that's too cluttered, you know, if there's too many people around you that are speaking.
10:13
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I just see this happen so often, you know.
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SPEAKER_05: I see it like, I'll find like a new TikTok person, right?
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SPEAKER_05: And they're great and they're wonderful, their content's great, but then you see so many others, you know, they're doing the same thing.
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SPEAKER_05: And it's like you don't even have a chance to understand what they're speaking about.
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SPEAKER_05: So I think it's very important to really pay heed to what you said.
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SPEAKER_05: Now, as far as nutrition goes, I agree with you in what you said, and you know, in the aspect that um we do care a lot about the way we look.
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SPEAKER_05: It's just human nature, right?
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, that's who we are, and it's it's part of being, you know, human.
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SPEAKER_05: But I think also there's this need for instant gratification in all of us.
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SPEAKER_05: And I think um appearance is a really great example of that.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, it's like if you can see it, that's instant that's satisfying one of your senses instantly.
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SPEAKER_05: So I think um with nutrition, I've always found it to be very interesting when you would see a fad diet, right?
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SPEAKER_05: In social media or on the news.
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SPEAKER_05: And the reason people are following this diet was because, for example, it would reduce bloating overnight.
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SPEAKER_05: Why?
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SPEAKER_05: Because they probably like cut out carbs, you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_05: Or they cut out, they cut out soda or something, or they were drinking vinegar or whatever.
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SPEAKER_05: And they would really, everybody would gravitate towards it because that instant gratification, you know.
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SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, my bloating went away.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, that means I'm losing weight.
11:38
SPEAKER_05: No, it doesn't.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, that means that something like excess water went away.
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SPEAKER_05: So I'd love for you to speak on that a little bit more is this idea of instant gratification and how that plays into the, you know, the habits and the choices that we make as individuals when it comes to our nutrition.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, I am a fan of intelligent supplementation for lots of reasons.
12:02
SPEAKER_00: We don't have the nutrients in the soil.
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SPEAKER_00: The vegetables come to us and sit on shelves in supermarkets in which they are being oxidized and the vitamin C is is is going out into the uh the ether.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, we we eat quickly, we don't get enough fruits and vegetables.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, we people eat a lot of processed foods, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, in we do want the quick fix, uh losing weight is an example.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh supplements can be as well.
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SPEAKER_00: And and you know, the emphasis on quality skin has to begin with a great diet.
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SPEAKER_00: And we talk I'll talk about a few of those ingredients.
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SPEAKER_00: But the point is, and and I would say this to you know all when I was seeing patients, I I'm not now, but I would say, you know what, I can't out-supplement your crappy diet.
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SPEAKER_00: There's nothing I can do, there's no supplements I can give you that that are gonna that are gonna magically take over, you know, all the and improve the destruction that you do from certain foods that you eat.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, it's simple and complicated at the same time, because you know, uh you really want to choose food that kind of looks like food and isn't processed and packaged.
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SPEAKER_00: So much of what we eat, the sad diet, the standard American diet, has to do with the amount of sugar uh number one.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's we have this process called glycation.
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SPEAKER_00: And when uh sugar attaches to a protein, it changes its structure and function.
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SPEAKER_00: And when we have that in attaching to heme in the hemoglobin molecule, that's A1C, and that changes that molecule, and we pick that up in the bloodstream.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the same thing happens with um excess sugar and collagen.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, when excess sugar, through a process of glycation, binds to collagen, it creates brittleness in the skin.
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SPEAKER_00: And we see that reflected in fine lines and crepiness.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, that's one process, and also it's in inflammatory.
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SPEAKER_00: We get these things called advanced glycation end products, which are inflammatory basically.
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SPEAKER_00: We really have, you know, in the processed foods that we eat, we we just don't get enough.
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SPEAKER_00: We get way, way, way too much of the omega-6s that, uh, and not enough of the omega-3s, the really good healthy um fats.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we need fats.
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SPEAKER_00: You if you I've seen people who've cut fat out of their diet totally, and they look like wizened prunes.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they left yellowish, sallow skin that doesn't look like it's very healthy.
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SPEAKER_00: So we need, you know, good healthy fats to maintain this barrier protection.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, the skin is really designed to keep hydration in, to keep good stuff in.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, this importance of some of these essential fatty acids and the ceramides, which is another category of things in food, um, vitamin E, these contribute to this healthy skin barrier.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: And we we speak so much to leaky gut.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody knows, oh, leaky gut.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, there's leaky skin as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So you want to maintain that that uh skin barrier integrity.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think these food choices, so we want to go very quickly.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, this is also reflected obviously in the in the movement for getting hyaluronic acid injected in places where you need volume, and that's an immediate uh pickup.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, some of the superficial treatments for the skin, um some of the laser treatments.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: But I think uh what I try to do in the book, and you know, again, I I come from a um a device background as well for many years, to uh point out that there are a number of injections and a number of devices.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: And what you want to try to do from uh a feed your skin right perspective is to select those that are biostimulatory.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, today people gobble down, they eat all this collagen powder, these bioactive collagen peptides, and and they kind of have this misguided impression that if I eat all this, it's gonna go right to my cheeks and my and fix this sagging that's in my cheeks, uh, etc.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's just not the way it works.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: But the process whereby we intentionally wound the body, we wound the skin, we we hit it with some heat, or uh um radio frequency is a heat, or a laser, or we do micro needling, or we do uh hit it with ultrasound, but we we wound it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a controlled wound.
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SPEAKER_00: And what that does in the body is it says, hey gang, mobilize all of these uh send these amino acids that we need to rebuild the collagen.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a process called collagen remodeling.
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SPEAKER_00: Get those stem cells kicking and start making new vibrant, healthy cells.
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SPEAKER_00: Start recruiting all the minerals and the vitamins that we need as the cofactors for these relations for these reactions.
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SPEAKER_00: Example, now you can have all the collagen peptides you want.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, and there's three key ones.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you don't have enough vitamin C, if you don't have enough iron, you're not going to make really good healthy collagen.
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SPEAKER_00: So I I I think the point there is that, you know, diet first.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, for example, if you're eating enough, if you eat meat, you're you are getting all the amino acids pretty uh and assuming that you can digest the meat, you can break it down.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: And and some people, by the way, as they age, I I make a big case for older people taking digestive enzymes to break down the the proteins and the carbohydrates and the fats and getting enough hydrochloric acid because so many of the vitamins, by the way, require that that acidic environment as well.
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SPEAKER_00: But we need to break those down.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna take a little sip of my coffee here just a second.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm actually a huge fan of digestive enzymes.
18:34
SPEAKER_05: I'm so glad you brought that up.
18:36
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I use them myself, but I have Hashimoto's.
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SPEAKER_05: And when I first when I first realized that it was also leading to like metabolic issues, I started taking digestive enzymes, which by the way, for everyone listening, the ones I used, I don't know, uh, Dr.
18:49
SPEAKER_05: Tagger, maybe you could recommend better ones to me, but the ones I use are derived from like papaya fruit, you know, and like um just things that are actually naturally occurring within, you know, uh the vegetable realm, I guess, of things.
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SPEAKER_05: And um, they help me a lot, you know what I mean, even with my Hashimoto's and and then downstream with like energy levels or whatnot.
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SPEAKER_05: So I hear you when you say that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm on the scientific advisory board of two companies whose products I I really, really appreciate and like, and they're they're great products.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: One of them is a company called Enzymetica, and they have the leading digestive aid.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: It's called Digest Gold, and it's uh it's essentially all you know, vegetarian sources, and it also has the cellulase in it, which also breaks down some of the cellulose that people have and that can aid that.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: The other one is excuse me, a company called Neurohacker, and they make a uh number of great products, but one of them is called Qualia Skin, and it has really a nice formulation.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I I lean towards the qualia skin because it has uh branded ingredients, a lot of brand.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: So if you look at a supplement, and and this is so challenging for people, how do they find a good quality supplement?
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, when you get one, it usually costs more money, they that has branded ingredients.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: What happens is that those branded ingredients we can we can look at its traceability and it's purity and it's got third-party validations, and it's got clinical studies on the active ingredient, that specific active um product that they make.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: So I I I feel really better recommending some of these uh uh products with brand that have branded ingredients.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I like those those two products.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: I I in the book it's interesting.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: I I do mention products uh because when I speak to consumers and when I speak to professionals as well, you know, they love the science.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Great.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: This is a great biochemical pathway.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh what should I do?
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SPEAKER_00: Just just just tell me what to take.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I like to think that there's again, I'm uh a believer in intelligent supplementation.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: And the intelligent supplementation um that comes after great food choices has to do with maybe understanding your nutrigenomics and why you might have an increased requirement because of um how you genetically, the SNPs you have, how you uh break down, how you absorb, how you transport nutrients, and whether or not you might need more of certain nutrients or less of certain nutrients because of your genetic variants that impact um nutrition and these genes.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: And and I think that's a fascinating area for people to explore.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh the company I uh whose were uh whose uh test I use called Nutrigenomics with an X.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really fascinating.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: And and and I've I've actually myself personally and people I've kind of coached.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: And clinicians.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of information to be gleaned from that.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: And it can it can um look, and you never make a diagnosis, uh nutrigenomic diagnosis from looking at the genetic variants.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: But you take that with the history and a physical exam, you know, you know we're the first place that nutrient deficiencies show up, particularly minerals, the mouth, the tongue.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, uh, well before you see a red blood cell zinc or a red blood cell magnesium as a depletion in the bloodstream.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: So this is a I I take my have my aesthetic colleagues and I recommend they look in people's tongues and look at their tongues and mouths.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: And you know, I can just imagine these patients say, you know, when I went to Dr.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Smith for my Botox and uh my filler, um, she looked in my tongue and the inside, and I and that's amazing.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: And she did that in order to check out my nutrient status.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: And uh because now here's what Dr.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: Smith should be saying.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: We're going to be doing a procedure on you.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: It could be a minor procedure, like a laser procedure, it might be a more surgical one.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: And in order for you to get the best results, we need your tissues to be as healthy as they can be.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: And the ways we're going to do this are to make sure that you have the nutrients that your body needs before that procedure, during that procedure, and after that procedure.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: So this is um this is a mindset, you know, I coined a term in the book called Integrative Aesthetics.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: And um, I'm really, and I've got a course that I'm creating right now for both practitioners and consumers called Inside Skin Beauty.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: For practitioners, it's a nine-hour course.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: For consumers, it's a six-hour one.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: And it's divided into the strategies that we we really need to help on the professional side to help our patients.
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SPEAKER_00: If we're in if we are an aesthetic person, what do we do to promote skin health and beauty from the inside out?
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SPEAKER_00: If we are an integrated functional person, what do we need to know about skin?
24:24
SPEAKER_00: And how do we respond to the interest that our patients would have?
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SPEAKER_00: And how do we use that as a motivator?
24:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a powerful why.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: It's a powerful motivator.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, the same person I will sit with someone who has an elevated A1C and you'll explain, okay, uh, you know, you're gonna you've got increased risk for heart disease and stroke because you're pre-diabetic.
24:49
SPEAKER_00: And they go, okay, thank you.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: And then you say, and you know what?
24:53
SPEAKER_00: This is gonna screw up your collagen and cause wrinkles and increase your likelihood of wrinkles, et cetera.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, maybe I'll pay attention to my um my insulin resistance and the amount of sugar I eat.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: So I again, I I think this is uh skin's the largest organ.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: People look at themselves all day long.
25:14
SPEAKER_00: This is an important aspect.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: And but I I I wanted to go a little bit deeper than just skin deep.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, if you think about it, um radiance, glow, vitality, energy, sure, it comes from the fuels that we take in, but it also comes with with our thoughts and our happiness and our meaning and our purpose and whether we feel grateful.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: So uh I've seen a lot of people with some really bad wrinkles who are still magnificent and beautiful because they're they're beautiful from the inside as well.
25:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
25:50
SPEAKER_05: No, I think that, you know, you've you've said so many, like, I mean, you've dropped a lot of jewels on us, you know, and just what you've said.
25:59
SPEAKER_05: Truly, no, truly.
26:00
SPEAKER_05: I I really, really admire you for your for you know your ability to articulate so wonderfully such important and very, very complicated topics, you know, at the same time.
26:12
SPEAKER_05: I think that, you know, there's a lot of value in understanding how you're how the human body works, because, you know, I was told a long time ago, and this was, you know, back in the day when you I was in my master's program, and I remember there's a there was a professor that came in, right?
26:27
SPEAKER_05: And this is it's not a nutrition directly, but it makes sense.
26:31
SPEAKER_05: Um, the first thing she said, and you know, back then I I was intrigued because you know, I was a female doctor, and I, you know, I was like really excited to hear her talk.
26:40
SPEAKER_05: She started off the lecture by saying, She was a cardiologist, she started off the lecture saying the heart is the only organ that out of nowhere it starts, it's the first beat comes from we have no idea where.
26:54
SPEAKER_05: It just begins.
26:56
SPEAKER_05: And once it begins, it doesn't stop till you die, unless you have some sort of, you know, obviously like a you know disease.
27:02
SPEAKER_05: But when she said that, it to me, it stuck with me for so long.
27:07
SPEAKER_05: Why?
27:08
SPEAKER_05: Because there are phenomena that are occurring in our body that are still inexplainable.
27:14
SPEAKER_05: There are you we cannot understand them yet.
27:17
SPEAKER_05: And when I look at something like nutrition, I very much uh compare it to the things that we understand the least in med in modern medicine.
27:27
SPEAKER_05: You know, I mean, you talked about, for example, leaky gut syndrome and then obviously the leaky skin.
27:33
SPEAKER_05: And I think that that is so interesting now that people are using these uh terms so widely, because I still remember, you know, my father actually, his uh line of work has been in the microbiome and also leaky gut and the you know metabolic syndrome and all that for his whole life.
27:50
SPEAKER_05: And I remember him telling me this stuff, you know, back when I was in college.
27:54
SPEAKER_05: And at the time, no one was speaking of it.
27:56
SPEAKER_05: You know, it was unheard of.
27:57
SPEAKER_05: And, you know, the idea of metabolic syndrome and the idea of, you know, if you can't absorb the right amount of vitamins, it doesn't matter how much you're taking because you're gonna pee them out.
28:08
SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
28:09
SPEAKER_05: That kind of thing.
28:10
SPEAKER_05: Like these were concepts that I mean, they were unheard of, not only in academia, but in, you know, obviously in academia, um, but then obviously in consumerism as well.
28:20
SPEAKER_05: And it was like, now, you know, when I hear you speaking of these things, I it brings me joy to see that we're finally at a point now where you're, you know, people like you are able to spread this knowledge and really get consumers to understand that it's not a one size fits all.
28:38
SPEAKER_05: You have to understand your body, you have to understand how it works, why it works the way it does in the limits that we have, you know, for the academic side and the scientific side.
28:50
SPEAKER_05: We can tell you what we know, you know, but it's it's also your job to really kind of want to know.
28:56
SPEAKER_05: And it should not be based on, you know, Dr.
28:59
SPEAKER_05: Tagger, like you mentioned, it shouldn't have to be that someone doesn't talk about their A1C till they till you tell them that it can also affect your college.
29:07
SPEAKER_05: You know, it shouldn't have to come to that, but you're right.
29:09
SPEAKER_05: You make a great point, you know.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, you've raised so many points.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: I want to pick up on just a few of them.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh and let's start with the heart and let's go a little bit more um out there into realms that you know maybe we we don't talk about very much.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I I spent a lot of time on this concept of presence.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: One of my books, a couple of books back, was called Enhance Your Presence.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: And I teach presentation skills and presence training to practitioners.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: And you're always at your presence is always at its strongest when you're sitting right eye to eye close to a patient where the good doctor is attending, they are listening, they are leaning forward, they're engaged, they are uh um maybe even doing a mirror image of body language to resonate.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: Now, let's go back to the heart, because you can detect with sophisticated electromagnetometers the radiation, the the energy coming from the heart three feet away from the body.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: So if you think about it, when you and someone else are in close proximity, sure, if you're not wearing masks, it may be you're gonna pass some viruses.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh but but on the the upside of that, uh, let's look at the positive, because this is uh we're gonna say positive here today.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, you and that person's heart energy, the their beat, the electromagnetic rays and energy coming off their heart are actually in juxtaposition.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: And there is a concept called coherence.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: And uh it it it is essentially where you sort of sync up um and your you your heart beats and your respirator uh respirations, you become coherent.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Now, a lot of people have this with their pets, um, which is one of the ways that that pets provide.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: And of course, your pets are sharing their microbiome with you.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: And uh so we talked about the microbiome.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: The other point that I want to raise in this, I I've co-founded something called the Vegas Nerve Society, Vnsociety.org.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: It's a 501c3, and it's dedicated to uh a piece of what you were talking about when you you raised this these issues with your dad and learning about the microbiome.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: That we are uh electrochemical beings.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: That's who we are.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: You started that discussion with the first beat of the heart, which is an electrical beat.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and we've spent so much time on the chemical part of the equation in medicine.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: We've got chemistry and we've got pharmacological agents for all sorts of things that work on all sorts of fine little pathways in the body.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: But so much of what we do is influenced by the vagus nerve and something called the inflammatory reflex.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: So, how does the microbiome work?
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Sure, it creates short chain fatty acids and it creates all these neurotransmitters.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, but these neurotransmitters, the serotonin, the dopamine, and et cetera, they don't cross the blood-brain barrier.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: They influence the vagus nerve to uh, and ah, that's how curcumin works.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: So we we we see that this ability to sort of influence the power of rest and digest.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: I've talked about this for years.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've been a practitioner and a teacher of yoga and tai chi.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: And and you know, I always advocate that we really want to be able to begin to harness the workings of our autonomic nervous system, the parasympathetic system.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, now we've got hacks, okay?
33:12
SPEAKER_00: Shove your face in cold water, great, gargle.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: So much of it is breathing.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Guess we can affect heart rate variability.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I was working with a good friend yesterday who's the head of an association, and he was so stressed out.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I he just I don't think I don't think he took in a breath for the first 10 minutes that we were talking about.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: And I I just had to say, timeout, stop.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do a simple um four, seven, eight breathing technique.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna breathe in deeply for four, hold for seven, and exhale through our mouths for eight.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: And I need you to do this three times.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: Take your time and do it, and then we can have our conversation.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: Because uh, I needed him to harness the power of his parasympathetic nervous system, which is a heart rate variability.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: Now, we've learned so much more about um this.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: There are devices and there are ways that we can do a non-invasive vagus nerve stimulation.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: There are devices that work with essentially electricity, that work on that primitive, you know, heart rate uh uh electricity that be that we go that goes through our body.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: So I I I'm fascinated by that.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: We're learning so much more of that.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Today uh I look at conditions uh we've got some work in long COVID, which is uh, you know, the the perfect storm for endothelial damage, for um mitochondrial dysfunction, um, for vagus nerve damage and vagus and and this maintenance of uh the inflammatory response uh in which you are not closing off inflammation.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: So there's the these the resolve, there's a class of uh compounds called resolvins.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Um is PEA, palmatyl ethanolamide.
35:14
SPEAKER_05: Oh yes, yes, yes.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: And which is uh, you know, I I actually uh and again, full disclosure, I'm a uh spokesperson for Enzymetica, and they they have a PEA plus with curcumin.
35:28
SPEAKER_00: But I've been really impressed that uh uh it how it works on the nervous system, and there's lots of good studies, and how it also works in in uh joint pain, uh, which is uh which is interesting, and combining that with non-invasive vagus nerve stimulation, how we can get a uh a one you know synergy, one plus one equals five.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: And that's what we look for.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, when you when you go to an integrative, functional, holistic practitioner, uh they they're not they're not uh splitters, they're they're lumpers, they're not looking at just one organ system.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: And we you know, the traditional allopathic way is well, you're here to talk about your kidneys, we can only talk about your kidneys.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: You're here to talk about your lungs, we're only gonna talk about your if you've got a skin problem, that's someplace else.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: If you've got a GI problem, that's something, that's another specialist.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: So I think this ability to look across disciplines and have a very integrative approach.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's, you know, that is in fact the future.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: That plus personalization, plus personalized nutrition, neutro genomics, some of the great advances we're making in longevity and the science.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of woo-woo stuff in longevity, and there's a lot of hype, and you know, uh, and I've never really liked the concept of anti-aging.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: I like the concept that we're gonna slow it down.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's gonna win.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh, aging's gonna win.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: But we slow it down, we retain our vibrancy as long as we can.
37:06
SPEAKER_00: And these combined approaches to how we treat the whole person, starting with the foods we eat, intelligent supplementations.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: Then, if you want to look good, you know, schmear some good stuff on your face that's gonna get in and be bioactive and and work in inside the the skin cells and you know, selectively have some biostimulatory procedures that that kind of revitalize and encourage the skin to say, hey, wake up, let's be young again.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's the prescription.
37:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I you know, there are so many things that you and I, I feel like could spend, you know, a month talking about.
37:47
SPEAKER_05: You know, I really, really do because I'm such a subscriber to this idea of, you know, energy is the next medical frontier.
37:58
SPEAKER_05: Understanding energy, understanding the energy that is being emitted by your organs, by your whole body, you know, as a whole in conjunction with everything else.
38:08
SPEAKER_05: That is the next frontier.
38:10
SPEAKER_05: It really is in medicine.
38:11
SPEAKER_05: I I wholeheartedly believe it because there was a book, and I'm sure you're aware of Dr.
38:16
SPEAKER_05: Tagger, it was by Dr.
38:17
SPEAKER_05: Bruce Lipton, and he used a yeah, a very similar analogy.
38:21
SPEAKER_05: It's called Biology of Belief.
38:22
SPEAKER_05: And I read it very early on in my um, you know, academic career, and it would he was discussing the brain very similarly to how you discussed the heart.
38:31
SPEAKER_05: And he literally said, he said, I believe that the mind is a magnetic field around the brain, which is an anatomical entity.
38:40
SPEAKER_05: The brain is an anatomical entity, and the mind is the non-anatomical entity, and it's very similar to how electromagnetism works, it's very similar to how everything else in nature, in the cosmos, how we know it to work works.
38:55
SPEAKER_05: And I really subscribe to this kind of theory because, you know, as I do subscribe to what you said about the heart.
39:01
SPEAKER_05: And, you know, when you're next to somebody else, you're intermingling with their energy.
39:06
SPEAKER_05: You know, there's a lot to be explored in these areas.
39:09
SPEAKER_05: And I think that by understanding or at least keeping an open mind, we're we're getting to new heights with enhancing our health as well as obviously our nutrition and you know what we do to like, you know, maintain it.
39:23
SPEAKER_05: Because, you know, you had brought up yoga also, and that was another point I wanted to discuss with you was, you know, I think about a year ago there were some um articles that were published, and it was about a certain yogi.
39:37
SPEAKER_05: He's very well known, I think, now in the West as well, but he is very um much a master of a specific type of yoga.
39:44
SPEAKER_05: And it was um that they did some studies, you know, they used his uh techniques and they did some studies, some clinical trials on people who had mental health disorders, such as us.
39:56
SPEAKER_05: One of them was uh OCD, and the other one was anxiety, and I believe they did it for depression as well.
40:02
SPEAKER_05: And they found that through mindful breathing.
40:05
SPEAKER_05: And the breathing was not like, you know, breathe in once, breathe out once.
40:09
SPEAKER_05: No, it was like hyperventilating for like a few seconds and then bringing it was very specific techniques, you know what I mean?
40:16
SPEAKER_05: They found an actual, like they did the neuroimaging and they did the actual analysis, like you know, psychiatric analysis, and they found a decrease in symptoms of these patients after going through a month of this type of yoga.
40:31
SPEAKER_05: I mean, it was amazing reading this stuff.
40:34
SPEAKER_05: I mean, it was it was just like more validation, you know, it's like the ideas all come together.
40:39
SPEAKER_05: I mean, you keep seeing this stuff pop up, you know, you keep seeing this come up in medical journals or, you know, um, people writing about it.
40:46
SPEAKER_05: And I just, for me, I think I get stuck as a consumer because I'm like, what is it gonna take to convince the average person, you know, you got to think more holistically, you got to think more broadly.
40:58
SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
40:59
SPEAKER_00: So uh this is fascinating because you actually brought up a number of things, starting with Kundalini yoga and and uh these rapid breath uh breath.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: But you know, the breath is central to life.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, and it is the manifestation of the electrical potential in the body.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: That's what the breath does.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: So uh it is critical.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, the points that that you make are whether we're going to be reductionistic or whether we're gonna be holistic.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: And holism is such a wonderful concept.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, it's it's just a and I'm looking at my book, I'm sitting here, I'm looking back at my first book I wrote in the 70s called Whole Person Healthcare.
41:49
SPEAKER_00: And uh this concept of the whole person, a body, mind, spirit, you know, it's that's kind of what wellness sort of took off on.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: It took on body, mind, spirit.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: And the other point that you raise is what is it going to take for someone in the in the book?
42:11
SPEAKER_00: I tell my story, a story of when I kind of got turned on in medical school to nutrition and lifestyle.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: And after I'd gotten hepatitis and I was really sick, and I looked at my lifestyle and uh and I made some real major changes that have stayed with me for decades and decades and decades.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: And when I sit with people, I I I really, you know, as a clinician and working with clinicians, I say, what is it gonna take to turn on the light within you?
42:42
SPEAKER_00: What's it gonna take to get it for you to get it?
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I had, I will tell you this wild story.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: This uh and you I you couldn't have made this up.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: I am I'm in a long time ago.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm in Las Vegas and I'm with my parents, you know, and and uh I I'd been you know in practice then and I'd I'd worked a little bit, I was doing some radio and TV stuff and talking a lot, giving talks everywhere.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm in an elevator, and then there's this this young woman and her husband, and she's looking at me and staring at me, like, okay, so I maybe I look like some Hollywood actor, I don't know, maybe who do I look like?
43:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, somebody on on a Seinfeld episode, I don't know.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: And then she goes, You, you're Dr.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: Taker, you your book changed my life.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: And and it was like you guys I couldn't have paid, you know, if I would have paid her a thousand dollars to say this in front of my parents, I was young at the time.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: But you know, it goes to the point that you never know when there's readiness for change.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's so interesting because I I did work with smoking cessation back in the day with Kaiser Permanente.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: And if you were to ask people, uh ask doctors and say, how this is when well 33% of Americans were kind of smoke in those days, and you say, How successful are you at getting your patients to stop smoking?
44:15
SPEAKER_00: They say, Oh, I I can I can't do it.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: I never, it doesn't work.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: I talk until them I'm blue in the face.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: It's not working.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: Then you go and you ask a patient, what was the single who stopped smoking?
44:28
SPEAKER_00: What was the single most important factor in your decision to stop smoking?
44:34
SPEAKER_00: And they say, Oh, my doctor told me so.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: And so we don't often see these accumulative effects.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: We don't know when the power of our words or our gestures are occur at a point in time when someone's open to making change.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: And you know, we we sit, we talk a lot about motivational interviewing and the the why, you know, why are you here?
45:00
SPEAKER_00: Um the why, uh, and try to help people with their ambivalence because you know, in every person there's ambivalence.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: There is there are the forces that say, wake up now, get up, get up, exercise.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: And the other forces, uh, I think I'll hit my snooze alarm and a couple more times, and you know, maybe I won't exercise this morning.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: So we uh we want to try to tip the scale away from the negative part uh part and move away from ambivalence into positivity into optimal health.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: And and you know, for anyone listening to this, I mean this is this is the central question of life.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: What's it gonna take?
45:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, what can and will you do things differently?
45:47
SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, you know, and I learned this so much this year, you know, with the pandemic for the last few years.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm a New York City boy and I grew a garden.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh I go out and I talk to my plants every day, and I thank them for giving me the 5,000 phytonutrients that protect skin, and you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: And I realized, in fact, that you know, personal growth is an analog process.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: It's an analog process, it's not digital, it's not all or nothing, off or on, all different tomorrow.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: It is uh incremental change and cumulative change.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: And that in our society today is really not what people want to hear.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: But really, that's what it is.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: It's small decisions.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't eat the perfect diet.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: I have a grandchild and I will have a small piece of birthday cake.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Um I but nine, I like to think that 90% of my choices are based upon, you know, uh healthy lifestyle.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: Now, this is what if you get this concept, really internalize it.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: You'll never you you'll be different.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: And here's what it is you know, our genes determine our preferences, you know, whether we like the taste of cilantro or whether it tastes like soap, whether we can handle uh the lactose and milk or we can't, how we detoxify caffeine or alcohol.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: But the other really important point of that is the flip side of that, is that it uh the foods that you eat are turning on or off genes that make proteins that either create health or illness.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, maybe you that's what ultimately when we say eat for your genes, but yeah, there's specific stuff, but really what you're doing is you are turning on and off genes.
47:52
SPEAKER_00: Now, the other thing you're doing is you are feeding your microbiome, and what you eat um contributes to what the bugs make and their metabolites and uh dysbiosis, and whether because you've got a certain diet, you've got imbalances in your gut microbiome, and the bad bugs are predominating, and the good ones are getting overrun.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you'll always have you know a balance in your gut.
48:19
SPEAKER_00: But if you feed your gut right, you will make the short chain fatty acids that are critical for maintaining the lining of the GI tract, but also the skin as well.
48:31
SPEAKER_00: You will feed your uh your bugs what they need to create those neurotransmitters that go signal the vagus nerve to dampen inflammation and promote immunity and keep you your nervous system balanced and keep your brain happy.
48:49
SPEAKER_00: And uh so all of this kind of comes together as the sum total of a lot of little choices that add up to really big effects.
49:00
SPEAKER_05: No, I love, I love everything you said, and I and I completely agree with you.
49:04
SPEAKER_05: I think the small choices are really, you know, it's it's it's like that age-old concept, right, Dr.
49:10
SPEAKER_05: Tagger.
49:10
SPEAKER_05: It's like one step at a time, one day at a time.
49:13
SPEAKER_05: You know, you have to just you just go with it, you know, and one day you're gonna find yourself in a different place.
49:20
SPEAKER_05: I always, you know, uh, like I told you, I have Hashimoto's, very few things are on my diet list, you know what I mean, in terms of what I can eat.
49:28
SPEAKER_05: For example, no gluten, you know, no milk.
49:31
SPEAKER_05: I can't have dairy products.
49:33
SPEAKER_05: But, you know, in the beginning, I remember it's it's been a you know about a 10-year journey now, but I realized that, you know, in the beginning, even for the first two years, it was very difficult.
49:43
SPEAKER_05: You know, I grew up eating, you know, drinking milk.
49:46
SPEAKER_05: I, you know, I was born in India, raised in rural India for some time, you know, and I drank milk, you know, every day.
49:53
SPEAKER_05: I I grew up like any normal kid, milk and cookies, you know.
49:56
SPEAKER_05: And so for me to cut dairy out, to cut, you know, wheat and carbs and all these things, it took time and it took a lot of adjusting.
50:05
SPEAKER_05: And it wasn't just about diet.
50:07
SPEAKER_05: It wasn't just about, oh, I'm not eating this one thing.
50:10
SPEAKER_05: No, it was about what you know, what you really talked about, which is this overall change, this mindset, this, you know, um, everything that comes with it.
50:19
SPEAKER_05: And I think to go on that journey, um, you learn a lot, first of all, I think, about yourself um and what you can endure and what you can do.
50:29
SPEAKER_05: But I think also you learn about your body and how it adapts.
50:33
SPEAKER_05: And I think once you start seeing that, and you start seeing your body adapt and you start seeing how it works, like the machinery and how it really is a you know, a living, breathing, evolving entity, like on its own, like yourself, you start to really see the power, you know, of everything that you've shared with us here and everything that you've written and your wonderful books and the teachings you've given.
50:57
SPEAKER_05: I mean, you start to see that there is something that is far more intertwined and holistic or um, you know, whatever you want to call it, working behind the scenes, and you have to go on that personal journey.
51:13
SPEAKER_05: You know, you're gonna soon you're gonna find yourself like for me now.
51:16
SPEAKER_05: I tell my tell my fiance this all the time.
51:18
SPEAKER_05: I'm like, you know, back in the day when I was in school, you could not keep me from drinking one can of Coke or Pepsi or Sprite a day.
51:28
SPEAKER_05: Now I can't drink anything but water.
51:31
SPEAKER_05: Water is my, you know, everything.
51:33
SPEAKER_05: I drink water with meals, I drink it with everything.
51:36
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, it's different, it's it's a it's a journey.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I want to uh unpack the one word in in your story that our listeners should really take to heart.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: And the word is you, your.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, I I never vilify any food or food categories.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there is no one path.
51:58
SPEAKER_00: Now, if you have Hashimoto's and you've got immune dysfunction and you have sensitivities to certain foods, um, and that is you and your path and your personalized journey.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: Now, it can be a different personalized journey for someone else for whom they don't struggle with milk at all.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: They don't get acne.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh, they don't, it it doesn't uh upset their GI tract.
52:25
SPEAKER_00: There are uh people who can eat gluten.
52:28
SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, 1% of uh folks have celiac disease, another five to six percent have non-gluten, uh uh non-celiac gluten sensitivity.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but that means a lot of folks can eat gluten and do fine.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: So it it is finding this out.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: And and you know, if I if we think, you know, and and I'm you know, I'm trying to train practitioners this in this uh uh Inside Skin Beauty course that that what the information you need is you need your blood work and you need your diagnosis.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh you need to look at what medications people take, because there are medications like statins that deplete CoC10, which is critical for mitochondrial function and energy.
53:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, and there are other birth control pills and the B vitamins.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, you need to look at um food sensitivities.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: Now, the IgE ones are pretty easy to find, you get them right away, but the IgG sensitivities, this these delayed food reactions, you know, that's part of who you are and your food sensitivities, your genetic makeup, your microbiome, all of this comes back around to recognizing how unique you are.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: And and I summarize this really simply.
53:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, you look in the mirror, and there is no other person on this planet with the identical skin to yours.
53:54
SPEAKER_00: And what you need internally for the foods you eat, the supplements you take, the topicals you apply, the procedures you choose to have, that's a unique path for you.
54:07
SPEAKER_00: And then we just got to find the right path.
54:10
SPEAKER_05: 100%.
54:11
SPEAKER_05: I love that, and just such wise words to round out this episode.
54:16
SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm just such a fan of your work, Dr.
54:18
SPEAKER_05: Tagger, and you're such you're you're brilliant, really, truly.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: My my my wife and my kids would would uh would would argue against that.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: My dog might say, Okay, you're brilliant when you feed me, and uh the rest of the time you're okay.
54:33
SPEAKER_00: But thank you for those things.
54:35
SPEAKER_05: You know, it's their job.
54:36
SPEAKER_05: My mom always tells me this about my father.
54:38
SPEAKER_05: He's she's like, you know, it's my job to keep your father grounded.
54:41
SPEAKER_05: You guys should love him, though.
54:44
SPEAKER_05: But but no, you've been wonderful, and I've learned so much from you.
54:48
SPEAKER_05: And I would um, you know, really, really welcome you to come back anytime your you know your calendar allows.
54:54
SPEAKER_05: And and for everyone listening, you know, read like go back into this episode.
54:59
SPEAKER_05: This is one of those episodes on skincare anarchy where you want to really study it, really.
55:03
SPEAKER_05: I mean it.
55:04
SPEAKER_05: I mean, you want to go back, listen to Dr.
55:06
SPEAKER_05: Tager, talk about all of the different um components that have been covered here because a lot has been unpacked.
55:11
SPEAKER_05: So I really encourage all of you, go back, take some notes, you know.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, they can grab my book on Amazon, feed your skin right.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: Uh, they can follow me on social media, though.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm I I don't do necessarily a lot, but sometimes I put some, yeah.
55:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't dance, I can dance, I don't dance.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, I did take uh Martha Graham classes and Afro-Cuban back in the day, but that's a long that's another story.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: So follow me at DRM Tager.
55:38
SPEAKER_00: Professionals hit me up on LinkedIn, and uh this has just been a hoot.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I really want to thank you.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: This has been uh among the more engaging podcasts I've done because uh of your willingness to share who you are and uh your knowledge of the field.
55:55
SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, I I've really enjoyed this.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: So thank you so much.
55:59
SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Dr.
55:59
SPEAKER_05: Tiger.
56:00
SPEAKER_05: That means the world to me coming from you.
56:02
SPEAKER_05: And I really hope everyone listening, you've gained um as much knowledge as I have.
56:06
SPEAKER_05: Like I said, definitely.
56:08
SPEAKER_05: I'm going to be um actually putting the covers of the books um that Dr.
56:12
SPEAKER_05: Dr.
56:13
SPEAKER_05: Tiger has written um up as part of his feature.
56:16
SPEAKER_05: So please keep an eye out for that.
56:18
SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna be bugging you guys about getting his books.
56:21
SPEAKER_05: So, you know, stay tuned.
56:24
SPEAKER_05: But um keep your eyes open for that.
56:27
SPEAKER_05: And I will tag um everything that's relevant in the concept art for this episode.
56:31
SPEAKER_05: I really encourage everyone listening in to leave your comments, questions if you have any.
56:36
SPEAKER_05: Um, and you know, let's keep this conversation going.
56:38
SPEAKER_05: It's such an important one, you know.
56:40
SPEAKER_05: I mean, I can't stress enough that, you know, this is this is the kind of stuff we should be talking about more so, you know, more on the daily.
56:47
SPEAKER_05: So I really encourage you guys to chime in, keep it going.
56:51
SPEAKER_05: And Dr.
56:51
SPEAKER_05: Tager, you are phenomenal.
56:53
SPEAKER_05: Thank you so much.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: Great.
56:55
SPEAKER_05: Thanks.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay, perfect.
56:57
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