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Huddle Up | Etienne & Lloyd Departure, Jaguars Free Agency Budget · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up. Huddle Up Jaguar Senior writer John Osher,
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Speaker 1: NFL network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior
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Speaker 1: reporter J. P. Shadwick bring you the latest on your
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. Huddle Up starts right now.
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Speaker 2: Welcome in.
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Speaker 3: It is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, JP Shadwick, John
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Speaker 3: Osher from the Miller Electric Center at the Hyundai Studios.
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Speaker 3: A special Tuesday edition. Free Agency Week is here. The
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Speaker 3: legal tampering period is underway. The league here begins Wednesday
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Speaker 3: at four o'clock, so we move this huddle up to
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Speaker 3: Tuesday today and Bucky Brooks joining us in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 3: The negotiation window is open, Legal tampering is here. It's
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Speaker 3: amazing how quick multi million dollar deals get done after.
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Speaker 2: That legal tampering window opens. Bucky, amazing, It is amazing.
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Speaker 4: I mean, guys are working overtime by multiple phones, making
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Speaker 4: sure that they're Simon Taylor's You've working deals with multiple people,
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Speaker 4: because that's the only way to explain the flurry of
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Speaker 4: activity that we saw over the first twenty four thirty
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Speaker 4: six hours of re agency.
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Speaker 5: Well, you knew when they had the legal tamping tampering period.
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Speaker 5: Come in what was it seven or eight years ago?
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Speaker 5: You knew all I was gonna do was move the
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Speaker 5: other tampering up. I mean, and if you if you
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Speaker 5: open a new window, they do it before that window.
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Speaker 5: So and look, it's it's fine. Everybody sort of knows it.
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Speaker 5: It's a wink wink because it's impossible not to because
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Speaker 5: as you know, Buck, you've been at the combine, every
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Speaker 5: team and every agent, everybody talks enough and it's not
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Speaker 5: it's not always true negotiation, but everybody sort of knows
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Speaker 5: the market. By the time Freegy gets here. It's these
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Speaker 5: guys livelihood to know it. So what are they gonna do.
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Speaker 5: They're gonna talk like you and I talk. Hey, I
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Speaker 5: think this guy, I think this guy. Eventually, everybody's knows
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Speaker 5: the market for these guys. So once the calls get
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Speaker 5: made on premium guys, there's probably not a whole lot
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Speaker 5: of you know, mystery about who's worth what If there was,
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Speaker 5: then you would wonder what the heck these guys are
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Speaker 5: doing all year? It's their job to know the market, right, Oh,
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Speaker 5: what's the market? How much you have to pay your ravis?
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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, and they.
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Speaker 7: Know I mean like there is something to that, like in.
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Speaker 4: Walking around the combine, not necessarily at the media part
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Speaker 4: of it, but walking around hotels and you look up
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Speaker 4: you're like, oh, there's a gentle manager, there's an agent.
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Speaker 7: They're ducked off in a corner.
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Speaker 4: I wonder what they're talking about. You see that in
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Speaker 4: a few different things. You see guys having meetings set up,
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Speaker 4: and so a lot of this the foundation was laid
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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 7: Ago while everyone was in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 5: But look for people to say, well, that's Tampa. Everybody
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Speaker 5: sort of knows who's going to get signed beforehand too,
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Speaker 5: so but I get some of it goes on.
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Speaker 6: But the teams that want to.
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Speaker 5: Get their guys back, they get their guys back. So
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that a couple of agents and gms
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Speaker 5: talking and Indie changes the shape of what's going to
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Speaker 5: happen with a player in his current team. If the
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Speaker 5: player is going to go back, he's going to go
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Speaker 5: back for the most part, and and it's a life,
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Speaker 5: there's gonna be a negotiation. You can't stop it. You
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Speaker 5: can't look if they want to hang out at uh,
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Speaker 5: you know, high velocity and talk, you know, first they
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Speaker 5: got to get past Bucky.
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Speaker 6: But I mean it's.
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Speaker 4: None, no, no, no, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't
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Speaker 4: take place at high velocity.
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Speaker 7: More in the concierge rooms, concierge.
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Speaker 4: Lounges, you see guys dugged off in corners with representatives.
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Speaker 7: And those things.
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Speaker 4: But you're right, particularly for your own guys, a lot
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Speaker 4: of times those conversations are being had up until free
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Speaker 4: agency begins because you can offer them a deal.
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Speaker 7: You're like, hey, like, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, it's probably your best intion to take this before
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Speaker 4: they get in the marketplace. And then you talk about
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Speaker 4: the money being gone. And so sometimes those last many
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Speaker 4: deals that we see with our own players because those
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Speaker 4: deals came through and look, it was too good to
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Speaker 4: pass up, so you just go ahead and sign and
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Speaker 4: greet to the deal.
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Speaker 3: Hey, John, do you have Marriott status by chance or
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Speaker 3: though I have V Well, no, that's that's why you're
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Speaker 3: not invited to the concierge.
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Speaker 6: I don't have Bucky status.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you that you are not invited.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I lived I lived in INNY for
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Speaker 5: ten years. I don't know half the people of the
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Speaker 5: Bucky nets.
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Speaker 6: In that is the town he's the mayor for sure.
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Speaker 2: Hey.
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Speaker 3: By the way, two Jaguars reportedly on the move in
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Speaker 3: free agency, Travis eat and junior Devin Lloyd.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that coming up.
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Speaker 3: Also reports that the Jags are listening to offers for
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Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior.
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Speaker 2: More on that as well.
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Speaker 3: The Jaguars did do some business Monday, but internally, tight
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Speaker 3: end Quinton Morris was appending free agent.
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Speaker 2: He signed and reported one year, three million.
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Speaker 3: Dollar deal and leaned on the head coach Liam Cohen
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Speaker 3: last season.
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Speaker 8: Even going through training camp. Obviously coming off last year,
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Speaker 8: it was kind of a hard year and I had
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Speaker 8: talked to Liam about that, just coming off some injuries
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Speaker 8: and going into a first year of free agency, being
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Speaker 8: on a new team, learning a whole new offense, and
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Speaker 8: just being under a whole new staff.
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Speaker 2: It was just a lot.
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Speaker 8: And he know, he helped make that process smooth and
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Speaker 8: even though there was like ups and downs, like it
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Speaker 8: still was smooth and like there was just a lot
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Speaker 8: to learn from. And I really felt like he just
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Speaker 8: did a lot as far as just like unlocking another
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Speaker 8: part of me and really just like players on.
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Speaker 2: The team, like just he just brings that dog out
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Speaker 2: of everybody.
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Speaker 3: Another signing defensive end Dennis Karnak. He was rehabbing last
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Speaker 3: offseason from yet another knee injury. Of course, played very
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Speaker 3: well as the season went along. No reported terms of
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Speaker 3: the deal as of yet, but finally back to one.
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Speaker 9: I don't think I was running or even fully weight
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Speaker 9: bearing this time last year. So from a training standpoint,
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Speaker 9: it's it's a lot more fun to be just in
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Speaker 9: a group of guys working out getting ready for next season,
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Speaker 9: not relearning how to run and having to work through
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Speaker 9: that sort of stuff. And then I got my family
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Speaker 9: out here today. But I know, just as a whole,
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Speaker 9: we are so excited to kind of be able to
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Speaker 9: get our feet set and not just hit the ground
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Speaker 9: running with the season. So super excited and ready to
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Speaker 9: be out here.
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Speaker 3: And finally cornerback Monteric Brown reportedly three years, thirty three
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Speaker 3: million dollars, and he wanted to be here in Jacksonville
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Speaker 3: to continue.
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Speaker 2: He started as a seventh round.
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Speaker 6: Pick, just somewhere I always wanted to be.
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Speaker 7: You know, I got drafted here.
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Speaker 10: You know, Dad Watsh took a chance on the seventh rounder,
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Speaker 10: and man, just I enjoyed my time since I've been here. Man,
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Speaker 10: just play with these guys, these coaches, this organization. Man,
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Speaker 10: it just means a lot to me and I want
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Speaker 10: to continue that. You know, the chemistry is always strong,
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Speaker 10: you know, it just built even more. You know, we
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Speaker 10: all got a connection. You know, we all played play
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Speaker 10: good together. You know, just to keep that going, it
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Speaker 10: just means a lot. And man, the disguise the limit.
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Speaker 3: Those are the three signings and all three METHA media
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Speaker 3: earlier this week on Monday on a zoom call, Clinton Morris,
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Speaker 3: Dennis Gardak, Monteric Brown internal signings for the jag Sean.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Bucky, how uh?
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Speaker 5: These aren't free agency splashes like people tend to want.
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Speaker 5: But to me, this is sort of getting back some
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Speaker 5: meat and potatoes that you need to have on your roster,
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Speaker 5: some core guys, and it's how you keep continuity going.
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Speaker 5: How important collectively is this group these moves right before
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Speaker 5: it gets started.
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Speaker 7: I think it's really important.
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Speaker 4: And it's important because the locker room sees how the
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Speaker 4: team rewards.
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Speaker 7: Hard work is and gad they go about it the
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Speaker 7: right way.
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that some of the guys that departed
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Speaker 4: were not the right guys, but when you see Monte Brown,
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Speaker 4: the seventh round pick end up with a three year,
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Speaker 4: thirty three million dollar deal where he basically guide it
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Speaker 4: because of the way that he grinded and the way
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Speaker 4: that he developed and improved and took advantage of small
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Speaker 4: opportunities that turned the bigger opportunities, and those things there's
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Speaker 4: an appreciation for that. You think about Quinton Morris and
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Speaker 4: what he was doing on special teams and how he
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Speaker 4: had to get it done on that before he got
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Speaker 4: a chance to get on the field and did when
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Speaker 4: he got his opportunities, he took advantage of those and
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Speaker 4: he's rewarded by coming back. Same thing with Guard that
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Speaker 4: that does wonders for the locker room because everyone that
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Speaker 4: comes in, no matter what level, they believe that if
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Speaker 4: I do the right things, if I play really well,
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Speaker 4: I'm a chance to be here for a long time.
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Speaker 4: So to me, that's the best part of setting the culture.
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Speaker 7: Is rewarding the guys that are real cultural fit.
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Speaker 5: They're all good stories, JP, but moneteric, as Bucky alluded
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Speaker 5: to go. To be honest, the first couple of years,
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Speaker 5: I would not have seen him eventually being a fifth
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Speaker 5: year guy, meaning second contract, playing into his fifth year. Bucky,
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Speaker 5: how much better did he get How does he fit?
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Speaker 6: Why is he back? I guess is the.
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Speaker 7: Question really good player?
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Speaker 4: And I think the best part about Monteric is it
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Speaker 4: would have been easy for him last year when you
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Speaker 4: bring in a first round pick like Travis Hunter, you
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Speaker 4: have some other guys come in Jordan Lewis, they previously
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Speaker 4: drafted Jaran Jones with a third round pick.
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Speaker 7: He never stopped working, He never.
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Speaker 4: Got discouraged or allowed that discouragement to prevent him from
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Speaker 4: putting on his best when he got his chances, and
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Speaker 4: I would say that he learned lessons from those early
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Speaker 4: struggles and kept fighting. And last year, Man, you can
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Speaker 4: make the case on the perimeter, he was the best
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Speaker 4: court in the most insistent corner. Despite them bringing in
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Speaker 4: Newsom and other guys, he was the consistent presence.
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Speaker 7: On the edge and the perimeter.
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Speaker 4: And sometimes, man, it takes someone really earning it, going
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Speaker 4: to hard road to make you have a.
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Speaker 7: Great appreciation for him.
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Speaker 4: And I think the coach staff in the front office
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Speaker 4: has a great appreciation.
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Speaker 7: For his journey and how he took advantage of.
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Speaker 4: Those opportunities when he had him and in spite of
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Speaker 4: the odds that were against him, getting those champces.
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Speaker 6: Is it just me?
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Speaker 5: Are they okay in the secondary now? I mean meaning
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Speaker 5: you have depth, you have Jarian coming back, Lewis, Travis
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Speaker 5: monterk ran saw they like him a lot.
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Speaker 6: It was sort of.
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Speaker 5: A weak spot at times last year giving up big plays.
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Speaker 5: But it feels like that group is getting there.
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Speaker 7: But yeah, I think the scheme really works.
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Speaker 4: With the scheme and the coaches really worked with the personnel,
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Speaker 4: that's terrific.
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Speaker 7: I think safety is still a question in terms of
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Speaker 7: like what.
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Speaker 4: Are we going to do in terms of depth Dewey
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Speaker 4: and how do you reconfigure that? But look, we can
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Speaker 4: put the ball down and play, so.
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Speaker 7: You're encouraged by that.
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Speaker 4: The thing about free agency, particularly from the way the
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Speaker 4: Jaguars are approaching it, let's just let the first eight
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Speaker 4: to seventy two hours play out, and there're gonna be
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Speaker 4: some good players that are gonna be available at team
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Speaker 4: friendly prices. I think the Jaguars will jump in when
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Speaker 4: it gets to that level of free agency, as opposed
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Speaker 4: to what we've seen early where everyone is paying big
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Speaker 4: bucks and going for these premium pree agents.
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Speaker 7: I think the Jaguars are gonna kind of swap at
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Speaker 7: the bargain BND.
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Speaker 5: Well, JP knows that I'm the happiest little guy in
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Speaker 5: the Easter parade when they stay out of it. I mean,
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Speaker 5: there's no higher risk thing in the NFL than wading
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Speaker 5: deep into the waters.
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Speaker 6: Of the first day free agency.
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Speaker 5: I mean, more mistakes that you can't fix get made there.
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Speaker 5: And I get that sometimes you got to go do it.
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Speaker 5: And this team's done a lot. A lot of fans
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Speaker 5: emailed me yesterday. What are they doing? Why aren't they doing?
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Speaker 5: Stay out of this and enjoy it. Turn off the
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Speaker 5: lights in the back, go down and have some lunch,
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Speaker 5: Go get a run in, stay out of this stuff.
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Speaker 5: Yeah that's the old school guy me. But I can
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Speaker 5: get off my lawn by the way.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's very old school.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean you don't want to go to
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Speaker 4: the grocery store when you're hungry, and when.
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Speaker 7: You're desperate, you make so I applaud your approached that
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Speaker 7: James Gladstone Liam Tony are.
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Speaker 4: Taking with this, because the good teams they don't jump
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Speaker 4: in when they need to.
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Speaker 7: But more often than not, John is right.
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Speaker 4: The mistakes that you make on those early days where
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Speaker 4: you overpay for a player, and then you get them
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Speaker 4: and you start playing, You're like, oh boy, we're never
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Speaker 4: going to get the right return on our investment.
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Speaker 2: It melted quick.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just wait. So now I would expect Wednesday
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Speaker 7: and beyond.
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Speaker 4: You'll see the Jaguars have an upticking activity trying to
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Speaker 4: find the right guys that can plug.
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Speaker 7: Some of the holes that they have out there.
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Speaker 2: Jack's season ticket.
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Speaker 3: Miller Electric Center.
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Speaker 2: This is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, the Tuesday.
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Speaker 3: Podcast version, a special on Free Agency Week, JP Shadwick
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Speaker 3: and John Ozer from the Miller Electric Center at the
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Speaker 3: Hundai Studios and Bucky Brooks with us in Los Angeles
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Speaker 3: Free Agency and the League year officially at four o'clock Wednesday,
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Speaker 3: the eleventh, the legal tampering period.
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Speaker 2: The negotiation period is.
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Speaker 3: Upon us now and a couple of departing Jaguars. According
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Speaker 3: to reports, running back Travis ETM Junior and moving on
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Speaker 3: to the New Orleans Saints four years, fifty two million dollars.
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Speaker 3: It's about a two and a half hour drive to
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Speaker 3: New Orleans from his home town of Jennings, Louisiana.
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Speaker 2: Maybe the end of the Alvin Kamara era in New Orleans.
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Speaker 3: But good for Travis etn about thirteen million a year,
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Speaker 3: Bucky and the super Dome.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of money.
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Speaker 4: And we knew that if you got the free agency,
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Speaker 4: he could receive a big offer.
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Speaker 7: And congrats to him, man, one of the better guys
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Speaker 7: in the locker room. Just a joy. I love seeing
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Speaker 7: his interaction with Trevor after that.
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Speaker 4: They've been together for so long, And I'm honest with you, man,
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Speaker 4: the growth that he displayed as a playmaker in Jacksonville
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Speaker 4: is something that will be missed. But I also understand
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Speaker 4: when you're the Jags and you're sitting where you're sitting, man,
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Speaker 4: there's some big contracts that are coming down the pipe,
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Speaker 4: namely Trayvon Walking.
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Speaker 7: You're gonna have to deal with that and some of
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Speaker 7: the other guys.
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Speaker 4: You have to make some hard decisions, and unfortunately Travis
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Speaker 4: fell on the other side of that decision despite his
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Speaker 4: success as a running back. We're wishing well, but we'll
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Speaker 4: have to find somebody in the draft that can replace
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Speaker 4: some of the production that walks out the door.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're gonna miss him. I think they're gonna miss
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Speaker 5: him primarily five or six plays a year, meaning the
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Speaker 5: run against San Francisco. That was a big time run
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Speaker 5: where he made a cut twenty yards downfield. That's where
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Speaker 5: he got really good late in his time with the Jaguars.
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Speaker 5: But to me, Bucky, this is sort of a At
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Speaker 5: some point you have to make philosophical decisions about what
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Speaker 5: you value.
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Speaker 6: Are you going to be a team that you know
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Speaker 6: overpays the running.
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Speaker 5: Back position, because most people think overpaying it is anywhere
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Speaker 5: above seven or eight million a year no matter who
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Speaker 5: you are, unless you're maybe Saquan or just you know,
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Speaker 5: mega elite McCaffrey. Are you going to be a draft,
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Speaker 5: develop and discard team at the running back position, which
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Speaker 5: really long term to stay within the cap, it's really
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Speaker 5: hard not to take the approach with that position.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of it depends on how special the
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Speaker 4: back is. As Etn was good, I can't go so
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Speaker 4: far as to say that he was great for e Leap.
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Speaker 4: He had a lot of production for the Jaguars than
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Speaker 4: those things. But I can't put him in the same
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Speaker 4: category as the Christian mccaffrees. I can't put in the
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Speaker 4: same category as Saquan or even a Bjihon or even
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Speaker 4: if Jamior Gibbs. And so when you're beginning to make
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Speaker 4: that evaluation on hey, how much are we going to
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Speaker 4: pay for this player, you do have to kind of
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Speaker 4: do it and take kind of like the teal colored
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Speaker 4: glasses off and look at him in comparison to some
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Speaker 4: of the top backs in the league, and there's a
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Speaker 4: there's a price point that you know you can't exceed.
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Speaker 7: Thirteen million dollars.
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Speaker 4: Was going to be too much for the Jaguars, And
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Speaker 4: so that's why you encourage him to sign that deal
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Speaker 4: because it's a great one for him and he might
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Speaker 4: be able to do it in that offense with kill
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Speaker 4: him more. I just think for the Jags, with so
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Speaker 4: much money tied into the quarterback, you just want to
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Speaker 4: make sure that you're able to kind of allocate the
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Speaker 4: resources correctly to ensure that number sixteen has what he needs.
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Speaker 7: Not only in the backfield, but on a perimanitive.
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Speaker 5: Look in JP, he was a good Jaguar. I mean
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Speaker 5: absolutely five years. He was hurt the first year, three
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Speaker 5: thousand yard seasons. A lot of memories created into you know,
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Speaker 5: the big play against the Chargers, yes that really, you know,
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Speaker 5: highlight moment plays, the touchdown against Pittsburgh that year. You
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Speaker 5: know the number twenty five overall pick late in the
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Speaker 5: first round, three thousand yard season.
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Speaker 6: This is a guy who.
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Speaker 5: Deserves to be remembered well by this organization and sometimes
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Speaker 5: in the league these days, that means a five year
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Speaker 5: run at certain positions.
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Speaker 6: That's okay.
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Speaker 5: This was a professional football player, and the Jaguars made
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Speaker 5: a professional football move to part ways based on the
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Speaker 5: circumstances right now, but best wishes to him, good kid, JP.
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Speaker 6: I know you enjoyed him today.
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Speaker 2: He was great to talk to the locker.
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Speaker 3: I think his best game overall was in that game
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Speaker 3: in London against the Bills where you had two touchdowns,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and what thirty six forty yards something like that.
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Speaker 3: Some receiving yards as well, at top and yeah, who
18:01
Speaker 3: will be missed around here, but on to the next
18:03
Speaker 3: at the running back position.
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Speaker 2: This is how it works to the football league.
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Speaker 6: JP's a pro, Becky, He's not going to get a
18:11
Speaker 6: sentiment on on.
18:11
Speaker 2: You next, onto the next.
18:15
Speaker 3: And by the way, another Jaguars player speaking of next,
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Speaker 3: linebacker Devin Lloyd signing with the Carolina Panthers and the
18:21
Speaker 3: Panthers revamping that defense and free agency bringing in Jalen
18:24
Speaker 3: Phillips as the pass rusher and now Devin Lloyd three years,
18:27
Speaker 3: forty five million, the reported number twenty five million of
18:30
Speaker 3: that guaranteed, and of course coming off a highlight season
18:34
Speaker 3: five interceptions, had the pick six against the Chief Sun
18:37
Speaker 3: Monday Night Football, a bunch of other big plays this year.
18:41
Speaker 3: Earlier in his career had some struggles trying to figure
18:44
Speaker 3: out where on the field he was best to.
18:46
Speaker 2: Be lined up. They seem to find that in spots
18:50
Speaker 2: last season.
18:50
Speaker 3: And now Devin Lloyd, Bucky gets some money from the
18:53
Speaker 3: Panthers to add to that defense.
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Speaker 7: You know, it's surprised contract.
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Speaker 4: I know there was an expectation he may really really
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Speaker 4: really break the bank.
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Speaker 7: That money is like solid for who he is and
19:05
Speaker 7: what he's been able to do throughout his career. He's
19:07
Speaker 7: a really good player. Last year was his best year.
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Speaker 4: Made a ton of big plays for the Jaguars. Anthony
19:13
Speaker 4: Campanilli and those guys found a way to really unlock
19:16
Speaker 4: his talents. Used him a lot as a pass rusher,
19:18
Speaker 4: On blissed in those things reduced his load and coverage
19:22
Speaker 4: and he played well. He's another good guy in the
19:25
Speaker 4: locker room. He loved talking to him.
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Speaker 7: Were talking about professionalism. He had that, so you wish
19:31
Speaker 7: him well.
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Speaker 4: He was another guy that was a great contributor, but
19:34
Speaker 4: I think there was a price point that you weren't
19:36
Speaker 4: going to exceed to bring him back.
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Speaker 5: It's and I'm like you, guys, I really enjoyed Devin.
19:43
Speaker 5: He was a pro for four years, always approaching right,
19:48
Speaker 5: even in some of the years where he was criticized
19:51
Speaker 5: and going through tough times.
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Speaker 6: Never you know, it was a bad guy to deal with.
19:57
Speaker 6: I'm sure. Always very good at fans, so they kind.
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Speaker 2: Of got your root for.
20:02
Speaker 5: It's hard to pay big, big money for a linebacker
20:08
Speaker 5: to make interceptions, and it's it's great when they happen.
20:13
Speaker 5: But and I'm not dismissing anything he did because there
20:17
Speaker 5: are games this year they wouldn't have won made those plays.
20:20
Speaker 5: But Bucky, when you're projecting forward, it's hard to project
20:27
Speaker 5: five interceptions from a linebacker, and then it's hard to
20:31
Speaker 5: measure are those interceptions you know, do they trump everything
20:35
Speaker 5: else going on?
20:37
Speaker 7: You know?
20:39
Speaker 5: Meaning can you get value at that spot? Is that
20:43
Speaker 5: worth the money for interceptions? I think philosophically a lot
20:48
Speaker 5: of teams would have made this same move with Devin Lloyd.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of teams would have made
20:52
Speaker 4: that move with an eye towards the draft class. Right
20:55
Speaker 4: this draft class is loaded with inside linebacker, off ball
20:59
Speaker 4: linebacker type, and there's a feel or a sense, Okay,
21:03
Speaker 4: second or third round, we might be able to get
21:05
Speaker 4: a comparable replacement.
21:07
Speaker 7: You may never get anyone that can come down with the.
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Speaker 4: Five interceptions and the splash plays they need delivered this year,
21:14
Speaker 4: But in terms of that position and maybe wanting more
21:18
Speaker 4: more in the run game, more as a pass rusher,
21:21
Speaker 4: more big plays, yeah, you're always hopeful that you can
21:25
Speaker 4: get more than that, even though Devin Lloyd delivered in
21:28
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five.
21:29
Speaker 5: Well, I think you also wonder not just can you
21:32
Speaker 5: get that kind of production from a rookie. Realistically, were
21:37
Speaker 5: you going to get five picks out of Devon again?
21:39
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a tough thing to replicate. I'm not
21:42
Speaker 5: saying you can't, but that's a tough thing to replicate
21:46
Speaker 5: in your odds at that position. I've covered linebackers who've
21:52
Speaker 5: had years like this. It's hard for linebackers to get
21:56
Speaker 5: five a year. I mean, that was a special kind
21:59
Speaker 5: of year. And I feel like the Jaguars probably got
22:03
Speaker 5: the best out of Devin Lloyd this year.
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Speaker 7: I would agree with that.
22:08
Speaker 4: Look, I can't imagine him having a better year than
22:11
Speaker 4: he had this year.
22:13
Speaker 7: I'm a big Johnny on the spot plays that he made.
22:18
Speaker 4: I can't imagine him replicating back all over again. And
22:23
Speaker 4: sometimes it is better to move on from a player
22:26
Speaker 4: a year too early than a year too late. This
22:29
Speaker 4: might be the Jaguars moving on knowing, hey, he may
22:32
Speaker 4: continue to play well for the next year or two.
22:34
Speaker 4: But we're okay with that because we feel like we
22:36
Speaker 4: got the best that we could get out of.
22:37
Speaker 5: Him, and if he does good for him, I mean absolutely,
22:40
Speaker 5: But I do think these are two positions. I thought
22:45
Speaker 5: going to the off season jp that the Jaguars were
22:47
Speaker 5: in good shape because the two guys they might lose,
22:50
Speaker 5: which or you know, the two guys you feeb they
22:53
Speaker 5: were going to lose in Lloyd and Etn running back
22:56
Speaker 5: and inside linebacker. You shouldn't really need to draft top
23:02
Speaker 5: ten to get quality players who can match what these
23:06
Speaker 5: guys did. You're supposed to be able to go into
23:08
Speaker 5: the draft second, third round, three third round picks, Bucky
23:12
Speaker 5: to me, you're supposed to be able to get guys
23:14
Speaker 5: who can play these two positions at a at a
23:18
Speaker 5: very functional starting level, maybe even right away.
23:22
Speaker 7: Yeah.
23:22
Speaker 4: No, there's a difference now because if you ask them
23:24
Speaker 4: old school running backs, you asked Red Taylor, you'd tell
23:27
Speaker 4: you there's a difference in the top ten pick and
23:29
Speaker 4: one of the third rounds.
23:30
Speaker 7: You're throwing out there. But I do understand your sentiment.
23:34
Speaker 4: You can't find guys in this system that can give you.
23:37
Speaker 7: The production that you're looking. I'm not going to get Red.
23:44
Speaker 4: And traditionally, I would say the sweet spot for running
23:47
Speaker 4: backs is the second round. If you go back and
23:50
Speaker 4: look at history, there are a bunch of good running
23:52
Speaker 4: backs that were selected in that round, and the Jaguars
23:57
Speaker 4: should have an eye on some of the guys in
23:59
Speaker 4: this player that could be available there like Jenderian Price
24:03
Speaker 4: from Notre Dame, Emmitt Johnson from Nebraska, Mike Washington from Arkansas.
24:09
Speaker 4: There will be some guys that would be of interest
24:11
Speaker 4: to the Jaguars on day two in that sweet spot
24:15
Speaker 4: where you talk about value and production kind of matching up.
24:19
Speaker 5: What do you think overall, Bucky about the I mean
24:22
Speaker 5: we talked a little bit, but about the off season,
24:24
Speaker 5: the Jaguars approach.
24:28
Speaker 6: To staying at it.
24:29
Speaker 5: I guess you already talked about it. Just staying out
24:32
Speaker 5: of first wave and sort of filling in spots as
24:36
Speaker 5: they go along rather than splashing me and through the
24:41
Speaker 5: atime and through free ation.
24:44
Speaker 4: I think that's a big part of their team building strategy, right.
24:47
Speaker 4: I think there are a few things.
24:50
Speaker 7: We mentioned. There's some guys on the team.
24:52
Speaker 4: Their contracts are going to have to be addressed Trayvon Walker,
24:56
Speaker 4: Parker Washington, Read and Strange eventually, So you try to balance, Hey,
25:02
Speaker 4: we need to put some money up to the side
25:04
Speaker 4: to take care of my guys that we love as
25:06
Speaker 4: our core contributors, while also having an eye towards the future.
25:10
Speaker 4: But you want to make sure you reward your own
25:12
Speaker 4: guys first, Uh, to keep the chemistry and the connectivity
25:16
Speaker 4: right in the locker room.
25:17
Speaker 7: And then you can supplement the other things. That the
25:20
Speaker 7: holes are the boys that you're cut off.
25:24
Speaker 6: It's time.
25:26
Speaker 5: Good teams the core players are the drafted players and
25:30
Speaker 5: not the free agent players. And that's I mean, I
25:33
Speaker 5: think Jacobe Meyer's core player. You know, this team has
25:36
Speaker 5: acquired some free agents who have been core players Foyer,
25:40
Speaker 5: but overall, it's hard to stay on budget when you're
25:46
Speaker 5: trying to build your core through free agency, when you're
25:50
Speaker 5: shopping when you're hungry.
25:51
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned Jacobe as well.
25:52
Speaker 3: I mean, remember, yeah, they just got ahead of free
25:55
Speaker 3: agency with right because he was going to be a
25:57
Speaker 3: rental the rest of the year and a free agent
25:58
Speaker 3: coming up there and double down on it, right.
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Speaker 6: So that's yeah.
26:02
Speaker 5: So the good teams again, it's hard to shop well
26:06
Speaker 5: when you're hunger.
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Speaker 2: That's a really good it really is, Bucky.
26:10
Speaker 3: And if you're gonna go hungry, shopping somewhere, go to
26:12
Speaker 3: the public's We're shopping.
26:13
Speaker 2: Is a pleasure.
26:14
Speaker 7: I like that.
26:15
Speaker 3: So you do ja thanking on his feet, Yeah, Bucky,
26:18
Speaker 3: You've got TV this week free agency, right.
26:22
Speaker 7: Free agent frenzy.
26:23
Speaker 4: So we're talking about all those moves that are tentatively
26:26
Speaker 4: agreed to but will officially be ratified on Wednesday.
26:32
Speaker 7: So now it should be a lot of fun doing.
26:33
Speaker 4: That to day and then just continue to pay attention
26:36
Speaker 4: to the draft because before you know it, it'd be here,
26:39
Speaker 4: new collection of stars entering the league.
26:42
Speaker 2: It's Bucky's favorite time of year, it really is.
26:45
Speaker 6: He certainly he's still coming down from the combine.
26:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough to get past that.
26:50
Speaker 7: It is tough. It is tough to get past the combine.
26:53
Speaker 7: The combine is everything that you go.
26:56
Speaker 6: Well, O tas are coming up.
26:57
Speaker 2: But it's John's favorite time. That's his super Bowl.
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Speaker 7: As you know how much I love O SA's and Minigan.
27:05
Speaker 7: Their way to start tracking completion and all of that
27:09
Speaker 7: is important.
27:10
Speaker 6: All right, fucked, try say Buddy, all right, you go.
27:13
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks out of here. John Ozier, J P.
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Speaker 3: Shaddick are thanks to Brent Riebert, Joe Fortunado, and thanks
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Speaker 3: to you for listening to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.