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Two-Time UFC Champion Julianna Peña: Ronda Rousey Feud & Amanda Nunes Upset · money loyalty legacy

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Money Loyalty Legacy.
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My name is Matt. Hand out which Boy Ross AKA the
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Champ. Today we would like to introduce
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the first female Ultimate Fighter Tournament winner.
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UFC honored her in 2021 with Performance of the Year as well
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as Upset of the Year Awards. Proud Mother fighting Saturday,
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October 5th to regain her UFC bantamweight title.
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Please welcome former champion Juliana Pena.
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So we're going to switch it up a little bit from your normal
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interviews. This is something I've been
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literally been dying to ask you for years.
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OK, so you're the first ever mom champ, correct Ross and I saw
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your fight, I guess Amanda right the first one.
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And can I just tell you how ecstatic I was when you won,
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especially because like I you know what boggled my mind was
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like you had so many doubters and and it's like, have you
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never seen her fight before? She beat multiple other ex world
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champions, just extremely talented fight on the feet, on
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the ground, your endurance, your toughness.
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I mean, your jab in the second round with with Amanda was like
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George Foreman level, You know what I mean?
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Like it's seriously, I was like, what?
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What are all these even like the announcers like when Daniel and
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Joe were calling your fight, it sounded like they were shocked
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when you're just smoking on the feet.
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And I'm like, how exhilarating was that when you had a just a
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dominant performance and proved the entire world wrong.
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You know what I mean? That was that not the most
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exhilarating feel feeling ever. It was definitely up there.
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I definitely can say that I was very excited.
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I was an 11 to 1 underdog. I think that was like the
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biggest underdog that the sports ever seen.
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So to to get that moment, it's just another one of those things
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where it's like I'll be going down in history for that.
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And you know, that's all what it's really about is making sure
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that I submit my name in in the in the sport and making sure
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that, you know, when they go through the history of the sport
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that they can say my name is one of the women that were one of
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The Pioneers in the sport. Absolutely, without a doubt.
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I think a, a a little bit with Amanda, I think she had a little
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bit of an aura because she faced Chris Cyborg, right?
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And Chris Cyborg was like the boogie woman of of women's
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fighting, right? You know, she's built
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differently than a lot of women. They say she walks around
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between like 180 a 190 lbs. I don't know if that's true or
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not, but she's just a beast, right?
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And for Amanda to knock her out, the whole world was in shock,
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right? Because here's this, here's this
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fighter that's just been so dominant for so long and then
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here comes Amanda putting the boogeyman asleep, right?
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And then you come in and now you're the monsters there,
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right? And I was like, you know,
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everybody was I, I feel like even for like fair weather MMA
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fans that don't didn't really follow your fights or didn't
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know who you were, they just kind of watch once in a while at
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the bar or whatever, right? I think that that whole
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connotation with Amanda beating Cyborg was a reason why a lot of
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people are just like she's invincible now, but they
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underestimate your work ethic, your abilities, your skill set,
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your mindset, blah, blah, blah, else, you know, and I feel like
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when you, when you took that fight, your goal was to fight
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fire with fire, if I'm correct, you, you went aggression
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overload. And I feel like Amanda didn't
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know how to take that pressure and just kind of went full force
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at her and proved the world wrong.
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Yeah. That that's accurate.
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Thank you for that. It wasn't just Chris Cyborg.
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It was the Holly Holmes, the the Ronda Rousey's, the Misha
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Tate's. It was literally the who's who
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of the entire division and just taking off heads left and right,
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knocking everybody out and just proven why she was, you know,
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the best striker that the division has ever seen.
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So for me, obviously I had been calling for the fight for so
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many years. I had been trying to get the
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fight with Rhonda, couldn't get the fight with Rhonda.
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I'd been calling for the fight with Amanda and she just kept
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saying, you know, one more, one more, you know, at at one point
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she had told me that I was unworthy to to fight her.
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So knowing that I had a game plan in the back of my pocket of
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what I was going to do when that time came, I just needed
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somebody to give me the opportunity to do it.
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And then I did exactly what I said I was going to do.
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I remember when I got called to go to Singapore as a guest
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fighter for the UFCI was four months pregnant and they didn't
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know that I was pregnant and I had to do AQ and A with all the
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fans. And they had asked me, how do
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you think that the fight is going to go with Amanda?
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And I said, I'm going to drag her out into deep water and I'm
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going to choke her. And so for me, it was like
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everyone thought that it was just a surprise fluke.
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And it was just this, this thing that just happened just because
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she had COVID her an off night. And I'm like, no, I've actually
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been saying this for like 5 years.
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I've been saying the same thing for five years.
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And it wasn't some surprise thing.
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It's like, I'm telling you how I'm going to beat her.
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I'm showing you how I'm going to get it done.
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And then when I got it done there, I just had nothing to say
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to to Daniel, what's his name? Daniel Cormier.
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Yeah, except DC, that's what I always call him.
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DCII just had nothing left to say except for I told you so,
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you know, so it was just one of those things where it was like
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no one believed me. I believed in myself.
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My team believed in me. But I just needed that
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opportunity to show everybody what I knew in my heart and what
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I knew in my head was true. Yeah.
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And I think that's important because watch in the first
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fight, the second fight, I think your nickname should almost be
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Terminator because you just keep going and they're like, there's
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a second, third punches. That's what Rock and are, you
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know, you see that and her look at her faces like, what the hell
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just happened? She wasn't ready for it.
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And it's awesome to see that because we're watching it live.
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Yeah, I think that in the second fight I was completely under the
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notion of I'm going to win this fight come hell or high water,
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no matter what, no matter what I have to do, I'm going to win.
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And when I saw her come out as a southpaw, I by just her being a
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southpaw. And not to say that I've never
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seen a southpaw before, because when I fought Valentina
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Shevchenko and when I fought Katzingano, they were southpaws.
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So I had seen southpaws before. But for some reason when I saw
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her standing in southpaw, I was like, something doesn't look
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right and I can't put my finger on it.
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I'm not really sure what it is, but this is like weird.
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And then I could just hear my corner screaming at me,
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southpaw, southpaw, southpaw. And I was like, Oh no, I didn't
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prepare for this. Like what do you mean southpaw?
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So that fight was literally won or lost in the 1st 10 seconds of
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the fight. When I saw her coming out
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southpaw, I knew mentally that I was going to lose like right
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then. But I had to, you know, I had
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already determined that I was going to win come hell or high
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water. So I gave my life to continue
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the fight. And you know, my fight with her
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on number one was more dominant. I feel like because I made her
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tap the mat, I made her say uncle.
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She wanted out of there. She wanted nothing to do with me
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in the second fight. She still wanted nothing to do
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with me because I turned the best striker in the entire
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division into. She had to change her entire
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game plan, her entire style in order to beat me and she didn't
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want any smoke on the feet. So then she shoelace tackling
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and trying to take me down for her life because she doesn't
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want to stand in the pocket and fight with me because she knows
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she can't win there. But she did drop me several
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times. But to my credit, I got right
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back up and I will say that I never had gone 25 minutes before
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and so that was also new. I was exhausted and I was
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pulling literal blood out of my eyes.
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I remember laying on my back and just pulling all of this blood
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out of my eyes. I couldn't see.
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I've never seen my own blood before.
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I think I still will say, though, to my credit, that did I
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really lose because I didn't tap and it went to I lost on the
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scorecards. But like, only one of us walked
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out of there with crutches in a wheelchair with half of their
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face swollen shut like elevantitis.
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And it wasn't me. I had a mere flesh wound, you
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know, that it looked worse than it was.
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And it just bled a lot. But like, if you look at her was
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like, no, you can't even walk. Like if it was like, lock these
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two girls in a room and who's going to come out alive?
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I'm still willing to bet that it's going to be me.
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And I have to agree with that because watch that fight.
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I recently watched her recently, you know, before I was
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interviewing you and you didn't stop.
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You could say you're exhausted. You know, it didn't show.
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It really didn't. And 25 minutes is grueling.
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People don't even understand, you know, grappling for three
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minutes, right? You know, whatever is sparring,
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you know they don't understand. 25 minutes is an ungodly amount
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of time, right? Especially with the lights, her
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switching her stance to South Palm, everything going on.
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You see in blood for the first time, you didn't stop, right?
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Is that why still kind of you want this, you want it back?
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Of course I want it back. And, and it sucked because it
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wasn't something where I was going to lay down.
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It was like, you're literally going to have to pry this thing
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out of my cold, dead hands. Like that's the only way that
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you're going to get it done. And she did.
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So to her credit, she did great, you know, But that's why I
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fought so hard to get a trilogy fight because we're one and one.
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Like you don't play Rochambeau with somebody and after we were
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both one and one, you just walk away and say we're done.
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It's like, no, nobody does that. Like we're playing tic tac toe.
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You won one, I won one. We got to settle the score and
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you know, we got to see who's going to be the real winner.
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And so it was really heartbreaking for me to to get
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injured and to lose that trilogy fight because I felt like that
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was going to be the first biggest women's fight in combat
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sports. Now, you know, Alexa Grosso and
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Valentina stole my idea. Now they're going to be going
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for that at the Sphere. And I'm happy for them.
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I'm so excited for them, but I'm like, that was going to be my
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fight. And for her to retire
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prematurely, I feel was something that you know, is
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always going to be a big regret of mine that I, I never got a
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chance to settle the score do. You think she'll come out of
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retirement? I think so.
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I think so, yeah. I think she's not done yet.
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But I do know that she wouldn't come out of retirement for me.
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She would only come out of retirement for Kayla Harrison.
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I have heard from some close sources that she hates Kayla
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Harrison with a burning, fiery passion and that she does not
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feel those same sentiments towards me, and that she feels
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like she has absolutely nothing to prove to anybody in terms of
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fighting me again for the third time.
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That's. Insane.
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That's what I heard from, you know, very trusted source.
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And so it sucks because I'm just like.
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It'd be the biggest women's fight of all.
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Time, right, Right. I know exactly.
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It. Right, so I'm like, what?
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I'm surprised. Why don't you hate me?
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I thought I figured you'd hate. Me do do you think?
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And it might be part of the reason I'm just just here and
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everything you, you know, man who's a great champion.
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It was do you think it? And obviously, you know, you
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could see it sometimes when you face somebody, whatever, you
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know, obviously beat her and she came back and she obviously
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trained her ass off. Oh yeah, yeah.
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You were still standing there fighting.
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Yeah. She was like, it's almost a
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rocky thing. Yeah.
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You know, like Apollo, just like this guy is not going down, you
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know? Yeah.
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He's like, you don't want this guy.
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Yeah. He is not quitting it.
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Yeah, I think she saw that. Do you think is part of the
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reason why she's almost kind of saying I don't want to smoke?
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She knows there shouldn't be a a war.
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Yeah, it's going to be a long night in the office.
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She's got to have to work very hard for her money, you know,
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and it's something that she would much rather take the
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easier route, you know, and fight somebody on short notice
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that had no time to prep, prepare for her like Irene
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Aldana as opposed to to waiting for me and and, and doing that
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trilogy. It's going to be a long night in
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the office, and she knows that it's going to be extremely
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grueling and taxing. And, you know, I think that
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that's one of my advantages is that people don't ever think
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anything of me. They don't think that I punch
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hard or that I strike well or that I'm a threat in any sense
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of the word. And so I think that that is to
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my advantage of people thinking that I'm just some layup, layup,
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you know, and it couldn't be further from the truth.
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And I think that I surprise every fighter that I fight come
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Fight Night because they are like, wow, I was not expecting
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that. Absolutely.
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How do you program your mind to get in the headspace to ignore
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the naysayers you like, especially like when you're
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fighting Amanda and everybody's doubting you?
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How do you, how do you get in the mental state to just be
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like, F these people? Like I've got this, I'm not
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Drown out all the voices and program yourself to fight.
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You know, arguably at the time, one of the most dominant women
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ever in the sport. I think that it stemmed from the
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way that I grew up. You know, my dad would always be
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like, I don't care if the president of the United States
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walks through that front door. I'm still going to kick your
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ass. And the man gave no FS.
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He did not care about what this guy thought or Joe Blower, you
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know, he never cared. And he kind of has that
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mentality of like, he's going to walk out of the house looking
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like a clown because no one else is wearing this awesome fly
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thing and no one else is going to have this.
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And we'd all be like, embarrassed.
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And he just did not care. And so I think it's from my
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upbringing of my father, you know, always marching to the
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beat of his own drum and kind of instilling that in us.
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So these people are not going to be paying your bills, these
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people who don't give 2 flying FS about you.
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And at the end of the day, Dana White gave me some really
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important advice when I was letting that kind of stuff
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bother me. And he said, if I listened to
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everything that people said about me, I would have jumped
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out of the window a long time ago.
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And for me, that has always stuck with me because there is
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always going to be people like 11 to one odds, you know, where
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things people are going to think that you can't get something
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done. But that's kind of what makes it
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all the sweeter is when they are doubting you and you can prove
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them all wrong. And I think that that's kind of
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the the joy that I get, the little sinister joy that I get
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when I get my hand raised. I just want to be like back to
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DC and being like I told you. I mean, we're not going to
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change subjects, but I mean, it's almost the same thing as
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your, your your teammate. Yeah.
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You know. Yeah.
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Well, just one, you know, all the haters, everything else, You
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guys come from the same gym. Yep.
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Just dedication, motivation, You guys grind together, you know,
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all the practices. And then he raises, got his hand
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raised and it's kind of like, gotcha.
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Yeah. And also, I mean, and that's
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always a sweet victory. And it's nice to see that in
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your own gym as well. You know the same thing.
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Oh, yeah. And and also that's another
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force multiplier is knowing how hard you work and knowing how
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much Matt time you're putting in and how much blood, sweat,
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tears, sacrifice when you know how much work and dedication
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that you're putting into something.
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It doesn't matter who says what, you don't care.
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You know, I think that there's a little sense of delusion that
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you have to have. And I think that that little
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sense of delusion is what I've always had, clearly.
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And it's kind of what has helped me gain any amount of success
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that I've had is just this undetermined belief that I have
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in myself where it's like if I'm prepared and if I put in all
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this sweat, you could put the Hulk across the Octagon from me
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and I'm still going to mess him up, you know?
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And that's just the mentality that I have because I know what
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I've done to get there. Absolutely.
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When you started out in martial arts, it was at a cardio
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kickboxing, correct? When you were 19, right?
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Yes. OK, and yet you said at the time
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you didn't even know what MMA was, right?
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Yes. OK, so Fast forward all these
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years later when you're out on the grand stage in front of
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50,000 people, millions of people looking around the world
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watching you around the world, I should say, are you ever like
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wow, look how far I've came? You know, like how crazy is
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this? Do you ever like take you ever
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get or take it all and get nervous to like wow, like start
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out in cardio kickboxing now I'm like literally the best.
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I feel like I should take it in a little bit more and kind of
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like, reflect a little bit more and be proud.
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But I think that I have such high standards for myself as far
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as like what I want to do, where I want to go and what
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opportunities I want for myself to the point where I'm like,
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this is nothing. I have so much work still left
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to do. I'll be impressed when I get to
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the goals that I want to happen. But right now is not it.
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And right now is not the time to, you know, rest on my laurels
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and be like, well, you had to fight for a title shot at one
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time and, you know, you came from a card.
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He was like, no, no, I need to defend the title for a lot of
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times. There's so much work left to be
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done. But when you put it like that,
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yeah, I think that it's incredible.
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The fact that I threw my very first punch at 19 years old,
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official punch at 19 years old. And and that I have been able
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to, I don't want to say make a career out of fighting because
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I've just also been told that UFC fighting is not a career.
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It's an opportunity and I was like, wow, I wish you guys would
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have told me that a long time ago when I've been putting my
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body through the ringer for the last 10 years.
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Not to say that I could make a lot more money doing anything
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else other than, you know, fist fighting for a living.
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But you know, this career, you know, like a career, something
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where it's like you do it for X amount of time, you get a four O
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1K, you get benefits, you know, you have all this stuff stacked
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up afterwards. It's like that's not the case
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here. It's like you better pay your
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taxes and hold on to every penny that you can because Uncle Sam
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is coming and you're going to have to hold on to that money
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for the rest of your life. And then when fighting is all
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said and done, you're probably going to have to segue into
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something else that you're passionate about.
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If you're lucky, you know, so fighting has been able to
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provide me this amazing life, but it's definitely something
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that I want to be able to segue into other things.
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And when I think about going back to that 19 year old girl
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versus where I'm at now, I absolutely do feel grateful for
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the opportunities that I've been given from the promotion and
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from just fighting this life that fighting has given to me.
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Because when I think about what am I going to do after fighting,
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it's a scary thought because I'm like, well, I've never thought
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about that before. I'm kind of just a fighter, and
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after fighting, it's like, who am I?
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Like, who are you? Your identity is completely tied
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to this fighter. And so I'm looking forward to
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being able to rediscovering myself and other passions after
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fighting. But right now it's like there's
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so much work that I still feel like I got to get done in order
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to be satisfied so that I can be like, you did it all, Gal.
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You know you did it. You did you.
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You made your 19 year old self proud.
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I should be proud now, and I am. But again, like I said, I have a
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lot of high standards for myself and still a lot of goals that I
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want to complete. When did you know you're like,
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all right, I'm going to do this professionally?
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Like at what point do you remember the moment you're like,
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I can make a living at this. Not only that, but I can fight
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in the biggest organizational world and I'm going to be
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champion. Like when was like click you're
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like this is what I'm doing. When I won The Ultimate Fighter,
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definitely, yeah. Because if you take it back to
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my beginning pro career I had recently, man, it was so
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unfortunate The Walking down the sidewalk in my hometown of
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Spokane, WA, I got ran over walking on the sidewalk by a
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drunk driver and I had had my nose smashed.
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And so I had maybe 2 1/2 months of recovery before the main
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event fell through in my coach's promotion.
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And he begged me basically to step in on short notice to fight
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this Canadian girl. And so I did.
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And I had blown through a few Canadians in my amateur and
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beginning pro career. So he was sold it really nice.
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Like, you steamroll Canadians, you're going to smoke this
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chick. And I was like, all right, so I,
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I take the fight and the day before the fight, I have to, I'm
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living with my parents because I'm being a know it all.
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I've moved out at 17 and lasted 16 months before I had to move
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right back in. So, you know, it's like you want
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to live with your parents. You better do your chores, you
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know, So I couldn't do anything, couldn't train anywhere, even
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though like mom, I'm the main event tomorrow.
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I was like, I don't care. Do the dishes, you know, so I'm
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like doing the dishes and I'm scraping up this apple crisp pan
19:45
and the pie cutter to just like get this apple crisp off.
19:48
And it just goes right into my wrist and it's just gushing
19:52
blood everywhere. And they take me to the
19:54
emergency room and they sew me up.
19:56
And then the next night I'm fighting, I'm fighting this
19:58
Canadian. And I got literally, of course
20:01
I'm there and he has me there to sell the entire town I got.
20:05
The kid I went to freaking elementary school with and all
20:07
the kids I went to high school with and like, look at me, I'm
20:10
the main event in this, you know, big fight.
20:13
Every Tom, Dick and Harry that I've ever met in my entire life,
20:16
all my coworkers, everyone was there and I'm in the crowd
20:21
cornering my teammates. And then I and walking to the
20:25
back and my one friend, he like grabbed me by the shoulders.
20:28
Like you're so tense, you shouldn't be out here.
20:30
Like go get in the back. Go get ready, you know?
20:32
And so I'm like, oh, OK, yeah, you're right.
20:33
I'm up next, you know. So I get arm barred, my get my
20:37
arm completely broken in the second round.
20:39
And when I go to the stool, the doctor comes in and I'm like,
20:45
put it back in. Like, let's go.
20:47
We're going round 3. And they're like, this fight's
20:49
over, young lady, like you need to get out of here.
20:51
And I was like, put it back in. And so the fight got called.
20:56
She broke my arm in my hometown in front of all my family and
20:59
friends. I was mortified.
21:01
And at that point I was like, I quit.
21:03
I quit. I just got hit by a car.
21:05
I just got freaking embarrassed in front of my hometown.
21:08
I'm done. And I sat on the couch and my
21:10
coach said couple months later, not even he was like, you're
21:15
fighting at 1:25 in Salt Lake City in two weeks.
21:18
And I'm like, I'm like way too big to be fighting at 125 right
21:23
now. Like if you would have given me
21:24
ample time notice, but 2 1/2 weeks isn't impossible.
21:27
I cut 23 lbs in that 2 1/2 weeks.
21:31
I passed out in the sauna. He had to drag me out of there
21:34
with his entire like body and my hands were like this.
21:38
I couldn't even make a fist. I missed weight by 1 LB and they
21:42
didn't give me the pound allowance.
21:43
No IV, no nothing. And I remember I met this
21:46
nutritionist where he's like, oh, you can eat his chicken
21:48
breast and lemon water. And so like afterwards, like I'm
21:52
literally eating like a bird. I should have been eating like
21:54
spaghetti. I should have been like, screw
21:55
you. I've never met you in my life.
21:56
Get on my way, you know, But I was like, no, I have to listen
21:59
to him. He's a nutritionist from
22:01
California. He's worked with like some
22:02
really high guys, you know, like, so I, I lost a hometown
22:06
decision in Salt Lake City. And it was that point that I was
22:08
like, I swear to my God, I quit. Like I don't even ask me to do
22:12
anything again. Like I just had two losses in a
22:15
row. I just got ran over by a car.
22:18
I've had my arm broken. Like I am done.
22:21
And like maybe less than a week or not a week, maybe a couple
22:25
less than a month, I would say. My coach called me and said,
22:28
Dana White's allowing women to fight in The Ultimate Fighter.
22:30
And I bought your ticket and you're going to go try out.
22:33
And I think it, it did not hit me until after I won the show
22:39
that I could become a professional fighter and do this
22:42
for, for a career. And it was only then that I was
22:46
like, OK, I can do this. But prior to that, I didn't.
22:50
I was ready to be done. Like I was 100% ready to quit
22:53
and throw in the towel because I was like, I can't take much more
22:55
of this. You know, I'm a very competitive
22:57
person. And those two losses were death.
23:01
Absolutely death to me. Did you know that your arm was
23:04
broken? Did you tap in that fight or?
23:05
No, I did not tap. No, no.
23:07
Are you? I think I think the BMF title
23:10
means. Would be a but.
23:11
Yeah, yeah. Like just life in general.
23:12
Yeah, yeah, my. Car, I'm cool.
23:14
Yeah. Breaking my arm.
23:15
Third round. Yeah, yeah.
23:17
Stitches. Yeah.
23:18
Because I don't they probably they didn't.
23:20
They didn't know about the stitches.
23:21
No, no. I'm.
23:22
Saying because they would probably let you fight.
23:23
No, they just like had. Your hands like kind of rap.
23:25
Well, it was my coach's own promotion and it's on tribal
23:28
land, so it's like they are the judge, jury, an executioner, you
23:33
know what I mean? So of course they were gonna.
23:35
I could have been like, I'm six months pregnant, like, she's
23:36
good, you know? Did your arm break and the
23:41
round? Ended.
23:43
No, I was fighting. I was fighting with the broken
23:46
arm. Yeah, I was fighting the whole
23:48
time. And when we're on The Ultimate
23:49
Fighter. So this is what makes the
23:51
victory even sweeter in the long run.
23:53
That girl ended up being on the show with me and we had to
23:56
sleep, you know, from my bed to that chair away from each other.
24:00
We were on the same team and, and, you know, we was like
24:03
always sleeping with one eye open, you know, And I ended up
24:07
submitting her in a guillotine to get to the semifinals.
24:10
And it was so much better for me because she didn't make me tap,
24:14
but I made her tap. And I remember on the show,
24:16
they're like, So what happened when you fought this girl?
24:18
And they're like, she was like, well, she wouldn't tap.
24:22
And, you know, the judge or the doctor's the one that stopped
24:25
it. Like she was like, but I elbowed
24:27
her in the face a lot, you know? And, and then she says in her
24:31
interview, she's like, I'm going to elbow her a couple of more
24:33
times for this crap. And then I remember like just
24:36
sinking in the guillotine and making her tap.
24:39
And I'd be like, what was that you were saying?
24:42
I'm just kidding. I Sarah Mraz is a cool chick.
24:44
But definitely it was for me, something that I had to get done
24:48
because I knew I could have beat her if I would have been given,
24:51
you know, the right opportunity. But I just happened to get
24:55
begged. And, you know, it was just all
24:58
bad. I should have just said no, but
24:59
I, I felt, you know, pigeonholed.
25:01
And I'm a big people pleaser, you know what I mean?
25:03
I can't tell somebody no. I don't want to hurt anyone's
25:05
feelings. I don't want people to be mad,
25:06
you know? So he was like, please, you
25:09
know, be the main event. And I was like, no, I just got
25:12
hit by a car. He's like, please.
25:13
And I'm like, OK, you know, all he had to do is just butter me
25:16
up a little bit. He just says, say you smoke
25:18
Canadians. And I'm like, yeah, you're
25:20
ready. I'm in.
25:22
I'm in. On that show, that would Misha
25:28
Tate and Ronda Rousey were involved with that, correct.
25:30
OK. Was that inspiring being around
25:34
them at all or did you what did you get a different perspective
25:39
on them as fighters or was it any motivation or anything at
25:43
that point? It was heartbreaking because I
25:47
had joined Misha's camp for Katzingano during that time and
25:54
I was her training partner and we had a spat.
25:57
I think I was really upset with her boyfriend.
25:59
I couldn't take it anymore. And so I left and I went to The
26:05
Ultimate Fighter tryouts knowing that she had lost her fight
26:08
against Katzingano and that she would not be the opposing coach.
26:11
So the whole time I'm like giddy because I'm like, oh, I hope
26:15
Rhonda picks me. I hope Rhonda picks me.
26:17
You know, I just wanted Rhonda to pick me so bad.
26:20
And when Misha walked in, I'm like, what, What's this girl
26:22
doing here? And she's going to make it like
26:24
was just a good season or something, you know what I mean?
26:27
And they're like, Katzingano blew out her knee and Misha's
26:29
you're no coach. I'm like, no, no, like Misha, I
26:33
love you. But like I like don't even look
26:35
at me like I want Rhonda to pick me on her team.
26:37
You know, everybody wanted to be on Rhonda's team and I was like,
26:40
Rhonda and me are best friends. She just doesn't know it yet.
26:43
Like we are going to be like so tight.
26:46
I was like imagining these things in my head.
26:49
And then when Misha walked in, I'm like, it was a complete
26:52
wrench just thrown in my plans because she picked me first.
26:55
And of course I knew she was going to.
26:56
I didn't know she was going to pick me first.
26:57
I just had a hunch she was going to pick me first.
27:00
And I just got so upset because I really wanted to be on
27:05
Rhonda's team and so I instantly had a gigantic target on my
27:08
back. And then because she picked me
27:10
first, my own team was trying to sabotage me as well.
27:14
And they were saying, well, you guys know each other from
27:17
Washington and you guys have trained together before and your
27:19
best friend, so she wants you to win.
27:21
So after maybe like the third week, Misha quit talking to me.
27:25
She quit helping me. She quit acknowledging me
27:28
because she was getting a lot of pressure from the others saying
27:31
that she was playing favorites with me.
27:33
And so it was like I couldn't even talk to her.
27:35
So I felt like I didn't even have a coach.
27:37
So, you know, I was just there to do the work with like Master
27:39
Tong and whoever would like give me the time of day.
27:42
But for the most part, I just followed whatever I saw Chris
27:46
holds worth doing the other boy on my team.
27:48
And so if Chris jump rope for freaking 25 minutes, I just jump
27:52
rope for 25 minutes. If he ran, I ran.
27:54
If he swam, he'd get out of the pool and he would notice.
27:56
But then I'd go sneak in the pool and I would do whatever he
27:58
did. I just shadowed him because I
28:00
didn't have anyone to to talk to.
28:02
And so I think that it was really hard for me because I
28:07
really wanted to be on Rhonda's team, but because I was on
28:10
Misha's team, I felt even more ostracized because she wouldn't
28:15
give me any acknowledgement because she didn't want to
28:18
appear that she was playing favorites.
28:19
So it just sucked, yeah. Do you think like later on she
28:23
maybe was like, you guys had a little bit of falling out, a
28:25
little beef? Yeah, I don't know if it.
28:26
Was a falling out, whatever the case would be.
28:29
Maybe she picked you to like, almost kind of sabotage you a
28:32
little bit. No, no.
28:34
Lo and behold, unbeknownst to me, my coach was supposed to be
28:38
one of her coaches on the show. But because she didn't want to
28:42
have my coach as another coach on the show because it would
28:45
been a conflict of interest. Clearly he was basically
28:49
threatening her, like, if you don't pick Juliana, like don't
28:53
ever call me again. And so she I feel like she had
28:56
to pick me because she didn't want to have the wrath of my
29:01
coach on her back of, you know, like, I hate your guts, you
29:04
know, So it was almost one of those things where I was like,
29:06
she wasn't doing it for me. She was doing it to save her own
29:09
tale because she didn't want to have to deal with my coach is,
29:12
you know, drama, because she knew that he was already upset
29:16
that he couldn't be a coach on the show, and he felt that it
29:18
was her choice to put him, and she chose against him.
29:23
So he was already very, very angry.
29:25
So she was like, oh, I better choose Juliana, or else it's
29:28
going to be over for me, you know?
29:30
So it was not one thing. I was like, yeah, Juliana's my
29:33
friend. I'm going to pick her.
29:33
It was like, I have to. Yeah.
29:36
Why did you really, really want Ronda Rousey to pick you?
29:39
Like what was it about her that? I was enamored with her, like
29:43
everybody. I was like, wow, six first round
29:47
finishes or whatever. I don't even think she had six
29:49
at the time, to be honest. I think she was just so
29:55
effortless. It was almost like artful to
29:58
watch her be able to throw people so easily and get these
30:01
arm bars so suddenly. I loved her confidence and her
30:04
charisma and I thought she was funny.
30:07
And like I said, I still to this day think that we would have
30:10
been really good friends. But she was just so nasty to me
30:14
and oh, she was horrible and she was not a nice person at all.
30:20
And so I think that that kind of changed my perspective on her
30:23
quite a bit. But I stopped being enamored
30:26
with her based off of the way that she treated me.
30:29
Yeah, yeah, Like how you hear rumblings about Rhonda having an
30:34
attitude even in the entertainment world outside of
30:37
fighting, Was she just always like that or like what?
30:42
What do you think her her whole deal was like why did she have
30:45
that kind of attitude about towards people and fans?
30:49
And there's a lot of rumblings about Rhonda.
30:51
You know, you're you're an Olympian, you're world famous.
30:53
You know, now she she was working movies, WWEUFC champion.
30:57
She's got all these accolades. She's on top of the world, you
31:00
know, why does she? I just feel like when you're in
31:03
that position, you just be more cool to people, right?
31:05
Like, what do you have to be right?
31:07
You know, mean they're rude to people for, you know.
31:09
One of the, I can't speak for why she is that way, but when I
31:15
fought Shayna Basler, they had interviewed her and said, well,
31:20
what do you think is going to happen in this fight with
31:23
Shayna? And she goes, this other girl
31:25
doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as her air as Shayna
31:28
and she knows it. So what she's saying is, is that
31:30
I don't deserve to breathe the same air as Shayna Basler.
31:33
So I think that that's kind of her mindset where she has this
31:36
hierarchy in her head that she's better than other people and
31:39
they don't deserve to breathe the same air as her.
31:40
Whereas I've never thought that I deserve to breathe the same
31:43
air as a janitor, as a garbage man, as a bum on the street.
31:46
We all deserve to breathe the same air, you know, And so I, I
31:50
have a completely different mentality in, in terms of, you
31:54
know, wanting everybody to be cool and, you know, we're all
31:57
one. And then where she is, like, you
31:59
know, if she had the opportunity, she'd be flying to
32:02
Mars if the world was on fire and be like, see ya, you know
32:06
what I mean? Like, I, I mean, I can't say
32:09
that if I had millions and millions of dollars, I wouldn't
32:11
maybe be in the same mindset. But I definitely think that it's
32:15
the, the way that she grew up, you know, is very much like nose
32:20
in the air. I'm better than you.
32:22
And I think that that's kind of also what has given her star
32:27
power, you know, where it's like these little peons, you know,
32:30
like are these blue M&M's I said I won't rent.
32:34
So I think that's kind of her, her mindset.
32:38
But give me just one second. Let me feed him.
32:41
So continuing on from where we were talking, I was very much
32:45
like you. I was a big fan of Rhonda as
32:46
well, especially when she burst on onto the the scene and she
32:50
really made, you know, a reputation for herself and, you
32:53
know, she just seemed really cool.
32:56
It it wasn't until you hear the rumblings of how she really was
33:01
to where you started to get a different vantage point of her
33:03
right. With that being said, you know,
33:07
she was a pioneer in MMA, in women's MMA in general.
33:11
You know, obviously, you know, she brought judo, you know, to
33:15
the spotlight with MMA. She, she proved that judo could
33:18
be dominant in the world of mixed martial arts.
33:21
But do you feel like she didn't evolve as a fighter over the
33:27
years and just kind of relied on her grappling?
33:29
Because obviously that got exposed when she fought Holly?
33:33
Like you feel like she could have evolved more, maybe did a
33:36
little bit more Muay Thai or kickboxing.
33:39
Yeah, I would say that it kind of just shows again towards her
33:45
attitude of, you know, this arrogance that she has in terms
33:48
of getting knocked out and then getting knocked out a second
33:54
time and never coming back. You know, she never came back.
33:57
She never proved that you can fall off the horse and get back
34:01
on the horse and ride again. And I think that that just kind
34:04
of plays right into her, you know, bad attitude of just being
34:08
this arrogant, you know, person who just feels, and I'm sure she
34:13
does feel that she's just better than than everyone.
34:16
She's just too good to have to prove anything or to come back
34:20
because that's how amazing she is, yeah.
34:23
Do you think that plays a a magnificent part in her downfall
34:28
then as well? Because for example, you know,
34:30
and I'm big on everyone just pausing my SO you never know
34:33
what anyone's going through from high to low, you know what I'm
34:36
saying? Everyone's all over the place.
34:39
For example, you know, you lost a fight.
34:41
You know, I didn't lose that fight.
34:42
I lost by the judge's scorecard, but I wasn't dumb and I want to
34:46
keep going, you know? Then some other people, not just
34:49
her, they're always like, I had this going on.
34:51
And then, you know, they were before the fight, best shape
34:53
ever. They lose.
34:55
It is what it is. We all lose some time.
34:57
We got to keep up and keep going.
34:59
You just keep going, you know? Do you think that played another
35:01
part in her downfall as well? And we're not trying to be
35:03
staying her, but just the mindset is completely different.
35:07
Yeah, You know, I, again, like you said, you don't know what
35:11
somebody is going through. I have gone through so many
35:15
things that I try my best to not use as an excuse in terms of why
35:20
I lost or why this happened or, you know, why is the sky blue?
35:25
At the end of the day, nobody cares about your excuses.
35:27
Everybody has a, you know, what do they call it?
35:29
This world's smallest violin playing the saddest song just
35:32
for you. You know, it's like nobody
35:34
cares. They say you're only as good as
35:36
your last fight, you know, So get back on the horse and ride
35:38
again. Show people what it means to
35:40
have grit. Show people what it means to
35:42
have determination or resilience or the ability to bounce back
35:45
from something and just to see her never come back again.
35:49
In my mind, I'm just like, you're a quitter, you know what
35:52
I mean? Which also makes me think that
35:54
you're strong bravado is actually weak mentality.
35:58
And so I think you know, for whatever reason, only she knows
36:02
you know what the real reason is.
36:03
And like I said, you made your millions wouldn't have to
36:07
wouldn't want to fight anyways if I if I had that kind of
36:10
money. But with that being said, it's
36:12
just kind of disappointing, I think from a martial artist
36:15
perspective of not being able to go back into the fire and just
36:20
to, you know, hang it up off off A2 losses.
36:23
Like, if the fact would have happened with me, with, you
36:26
know, the losing in my hometown and then getting that, you know,
36:29
hometown decision in Salt Lake after cutting all that weight, I
36:33
probably wouldn't be here, you know, But that never die, that
36:38
never quitting mentality has always been innate in me.
36:41
And so it's not something that, you know, you have to look very
36:44
hard to find in me. It's just who I am.
36:46
Whereas other people, it's like they're looking for a way out.
36:49
And she was looking for it and she found it, and that's that.
36:53
And I think that's very important for a lot of people to
36:55
hear because a lot of people, you know, everybody that we've
36:58
talked to in a podcast, see they come through struggle.
37:01
They become world renowned chefs, fighters, all walks of
37:05
life, you know, change their life for the better.
37:08
And it just is a great testament to see someone like yourself
37:11
and, you know, all the people, especially now talking to you.
37:14
So people can see that, you know, you've come through ups
37:17
and downs and you continue to fight.
37:18
And a lot of a lot of people now struggle with a lot of mental
37:21
health. And there's so much going on.
37:23
And it's just people very inspiring.
37:24
You know, unfortunately, you have other people, you know,
37:27
Rhonda kind of went down that hole and there's a lot of people
37:30
looking up there, looking at her at the time, you know, and then
37:32
now there's some like you and you're saying, no, you know, it
37:35
happens, but I'm going to keep going.
37:37
I'm going to show. And it's a testament to you.
37:39
And a lot of people obviously look at you as a very
37:42
inspirational person. And it's great to see that
37:45
still, like you didn't let anything stop you.
37:46
Those two fights don't even know who.
37:48
No one wouldn't know who you were if you did give up at that
37:50
point, right? So it's another great story for
37:52
people to listen to and keep pushing forward no matter how
37:54
down they are pushed it back up. Right.
37:57
Thank you. I appreciate that.
37:58
And I definitely think that it's easy to quit.
38:03
It's the easiest thing that you can do, you know.
38:06
But I know for a fact from my own mindset that I wouldn't feel
38:10
good about myself knowing that I didn't go through those hard
38:13
times. Because if I know that it's
38:15
hard, then I know that I have to do it.
38:17
And if I'm scared, then I know for sure I have to do it because
38:21
you have to be brave. And I think that, you know,
38:24
maybe that's not something that you can teach people.
38:27
Maybe they can just be inspired by that and that's OK.
38:29
Not everybody has to be a fighter.
38:31
I just know in my own mentality of like, what I'm going to
38:34
accept and what I'm not going to accept, I'm very hard critic on
38:37
myself. And I think that I feel bad for
38:41
my daughter in a sense because it's just like, I don't want to
38:43
hear the crying. I don't want to hear the
38:45
excuses. Oh, dude, yeah, Wham poor as me.
38:48
What was me? You know, I get up, you know,
38:50
and I kind of am raising her to be this kind of like, I don't
38:54
want to say fighter, but just I don't want to even say tough,
38:58
but I just want her to be a good person.
39:00
And I feel like if I had somebody, you know, coddling me
39:03
like a baby all my life, I definitely wouldn't be in this
39:05
position that I'm in right now. Was there anybody that you
39:08
really had just strong disdain for that you fought?
39:11
You're like, I really do not like her.
39:13
You know, I mean, you guys are all professionals, but was there
39:15
anybody like any, any time in your career where it was more
39:19
than just like, we're professional athletes competing?
39:22
Was there anybody like, I really do not like that person.
39:26
Somebody just really pissed you off to the point where maybe you
39:30
didn't have hatred towards them, but they just really irked you.
39:33
No, no, not anybody that I've fought.
39:36
But there was the one girl that I haven't fought yet, Myra Buena
39:40
Silva, and she kind of irritated me, you know, because like, I've
39:45
never fought her and she wants to fight me.
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So she just like can't keep my name out of her mouth.
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It's like literally she can't do an interview without saying
39:53
something bad about me. It's like, I've never met you.
39:55
We don't have a fight. We never had a fight schedule.
39:57
But it's just like her constant berating of like saying things
40:01
about me. It's just more so annoying more
40:03
than anything. And then I wouldn't even
40:04
classify it as annoying. I I actually get quite a laugh
40:07
out of it. But I would say like, yeah,
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that's definitely one where I'm just like, I don't like you.
40:13
What's? Your What's your name?
40:14
Myra Buena Silva. Yeah, I'm well aware of that.
40:17
Yeah. Yeah, she got in trouble
40:20
recently, right? Yes, yeah, she was like the one
40:23
taking the Adderall on the Fight Night.
40:25
Yeah, it's funny. So I want to bring this up,
40:28
which is great because you had to tweet about this, which I was
40:31
dying laughing. You know, you said cheetah.
40:33
Live it up to your nickname. Back to being a curtain jerk.
40:36
You know the apex card, you go, you fought 4241 year olds this
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year and you you had to cheat in order to get it done.
40:43
Can't pass a drug test. Here's my favorite part.
40:48
Keep my name out of your mouth, you dumb broad.
40:54
Yeah, keep my name out of your mouth, you dumb broad.
40:57
Yeah, I know. I was like the part of that I'm
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like, hmm, did I write that? It doesn't sound like the dumb
41:02
broad prior. Yeah, that was for sure, man.
41:04
It was. Awesome.
41:05
I really was dying, you know? Yeah, yeah.
41:07
Like, like, don't talk to me about anything.
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You can't even pass a drug test. Like, seriously, keep my name
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out of your mouth, you dumb broad.
41:15
Yeah, yeah, she is a dumb broad. Like what is she saying?
41:17
Like when she's bringing you up in an interview, does she just
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completely divert to you? Or is it does she find a way to
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finagle your name or like how does what does she say?
41:25
What does she say? I know what she's doing.
41:27
I know exactly what she's doing. She sees the fact that I got to
41:33
fight for a title because I am saying Amanda's name and
41:37
creating so much buzz against Amanda that that's how I got
41:42
into title contention and how I was able to fight for a title.
41:45
So she's trying to follow that blueprint of if I speak your
41:49
name so much and say your name in the media, eventually I'll
41:53
get the fight so that I can fight for the title.
41:56
Her approach is different than mine in the sense that
42:00
everything that I was saying about Amanda, not only was it
42:04
true, but they were factual things that have happened in my
42:06
career and me being in this sport since 2013 when Dana
42:09
allowed women. So it's like I've put in my
42:11
time, I've gotten these wins, I've done all of these things.
42:15
It's not like I was just making up things when I was saying
42:17
stuff about Amanda. Everything that I was saying was
42:19
an actual fact that has happened to me in the course of my
42:23
career. Where she was, she was just
42:26
throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.
42:28
It's just like she has no leg to stand on.
42:30
Mine is actually merited with facts and evidence behind it.
42:33
And everything that she was saying was just her just
42:36
talking, just to talk because she thinks that that's what I
42:38
was doing. But she doesn't take into
42:40
consideration that what I was saying were actual things that
42:43
have happened, whereas the things that she was saying was
42:46
just made-up, you know? And so she was just trying to
42:50
get a title shot and say anything that she can to get a
42:52
title shot at whatever cost that that came at.
42:55
And she got it. And then she sat there on the
43:00
Octagon floor, holder in her head, like she was tanning in
43:03
Miami. And then?
43:05
I I'm just sitting there watching it.
43:06
Like what have we watching? Like this is like, you talked
43:09
all that smack and you said at this and that whoop, whoop,
43:12
whoop. You ran your mouth to the cows
43:13
come home and this is what you're doing with your
43:16
opportunity. Like I couldn't believe it.
43:19
It was just so weird. Yeah, I think it was Ariel Huani
43:24
that said this, but they were he he, I don't know if he directly
43:27
said or he insinuated that you were like the most hated person.
43:31
And I'm thinking to myself how like every interview, like
43:34
you're so cool. Like we're talking to you right
43:36
now. You're super chilling for people
43:37
that don't know. Julian invited us to her home.
43:40
That's where we're doing this interview right now.
43:41
And she's about to fight for a title in October, which that
43:44
that's how cool she is, just so you guys know.
43:46
So it's like it's I'm, I'm thinking I I, you know, we see
43:49
your interviews, you know, see you talk to people.
43:51
Obviously you're an amazing fighter.
43:53
And I'm like what? What is there to dislike about
43:55
Like how like what do you that I don't get that like?
43:57
So what I mean by that is that all the girls in the division,
44:00
and I can't even fault Myra, Buena Silva, it's all of them,
44:03
they're always saying my name. I again have this target on my
44:07
back where they all want a gun for me because they don't think
44:10
that I am anything. I mean, I got girls in the other
44:12
divisions that are calling me out, like Macy Barber and stuff.
44:15
Like anybody that sees me fight, they say, oh, I could do that
44:18
all right, That's easy. She's easy.
44:20
She's a layup. She sucks until they actually
44:22
get in there with me and they realize that it's not this walk
44:25
in the park that they thought. And so I think that they see me
44:29
in title contention, they see me with the title, and they think
44:33
that they can beat me. So they're gonna do everything
44:36
that they can to say my name so that they can get a title shot.
44:39
And so it makes sense. That's why I say I'm the most
44:41
hated because all of these girls, whenever they talk about
44:44
anybody in the media, it's always me.
44:46
It's always me, It's always me, you know?
44:48
And so it's like, it's a compliment.
44:50
It's a compliment. I was just saying, does it drive
44:52
you harder? Because having that bullseye on
44:54
your back means they, you're the shit.
44:57
Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, they, they, they want what
44:59
you have. So it's like, maybe it does that
45:01
make you just like push drive harder because like, you know,
45:03
you're not going to get this, you know, you don't want to
45:05
smoke, but you want to keep trying me.
45:07
But I'm going to keep better and better and better.
45:08
And that you're not, you're not be able to touch me.
45:10
I think maybe mentally that's the way I feel, but definitely
45:12
not in terms of training because not only am I not, you know,
45:16
some spring chicken no more. I have had several injuries that
45:21
have kept me away from the sport.
45:22
I would like to do way more, but it's the injuries that have kept
45:25
me away from the sport for a long time.
45:27
All the time, it's always that, yeah, I'm pregnant, I heard
45:30
this, I broke this, I broke that.
45:31
And so it's like, yeah, it's definitely motivating in the
45:34
sense that they're going to find out once they get punched in the
45:37
mouth. But I can't let that be like
45:39
this driving factor that zips me out of bed because I'm going to
45:42
break a hip, you know? So it's like, I can't go crazy
45:45
like that in the gym that I like.
45:46
I want to, but it's definitely something that keeps me
45:49
motivated during the. Camp, right?
45:51
And then another thing that plays a big part, I feel like in
45:54
the in the MMA community or world is obviously trash talk.
45:58
Trash talk is views. Views get this, then you know,
46:01
it kind of bump up spaces. Sometimes the rakings don't even
46:03
matter. People are jumping for no
46:05
reason, right? And then there's a lot of fake,
46:08
like, people aren't good at it sometimes.
46:09
Yeah. I feel like you're really good
46:10
at it. You know, if you're going to
46:12
send some on the back, you send it really good, you know?
46:14
So I mean, there's also that power.
46:16
People are kind of talking garbage.
46:17
Is like this not even a good joke.
46:18
Yeah. You know, you just sounds awful,
46:20
you know? And here's another quote.
46:22
And I wanted to say you said this on.
46:26
These things just make me laugh. I can't wait to hear this one.
46:29
You said heels like us cannot worry about feelings of peasants
46:37
and I know that you don't mean that in any disrespect.
46:39
It's just like you, like you're talking to them, you know, And
46:41
it's. I didn't.
46:42
I don't even think I wrote that. I think my buddy probably made
46:46
me send that. Yeah, You know, I think that
46:51
again, I am hated because my actual real life situations that
46:57
have happened in my career, I'll call it out and then somebody
47:00
thinks it's disrespectful because it's like, how could you
47:03
say that about Amanda? She's the best ever.
47:05
And then like I go when I win. And then it's like, that's why,
47:08
you know, so when I talk trash, I feel like it's not me talking
47:12
trash. I'm just saying things that have
47:14
actually happened in my life and in my career, and you just don't
47:17
like it. And then that gets viewed as
47:20
trash talk, but I also maybe kind of spin it in a jokey way
47:25
that it can come across like cringy or that they don't like
47:28
it. You know, so I get it.
47:30
But you know, those are the times where I'm making
47:32
pay-per-view points and I'm trying to get people interested
47:35
in my fight so that they buy the fight.
47:37
I ain't getting pay-per-view points this time.
47:39
I am getting paid the same no matter what.
47:41
So I don't have anything to say about anybody or like, come
47:44
Fight Night, we're going to fight and that's it.
47:46
You know, I, I said to myself, I'm not going to go crazy and be
47:52
a a jerk because I don't have to, even though the jerk kind of
47:55
just comes across naturally. I don't have to like turn it up
47:58
extra, but I definitely don't have to turn it up extra because
48:01
I'm not getting the pay-per-view points.
48:02
So I really don't care. Watch it, don't watch it.
48:07
Whether you're invested in my success or my failures, it
48:10
doesn't matter. I get paid the same.