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264: Sister Wives Rewind - Tragedy in the Family (S16 E17) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: you have any takeaways for this tragedy episode about the Browns.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just think it's funny that Cody's like
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  Speaker 2: I love classical music, and my favorite piece of classical music,
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  Speaker 2: oh did Pocabo's Canon?
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, just like probably the only piece you've ever heard though.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, I'm just laughing about it. I was a
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  Speaker 2: band kid, so I'm just like.
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  Speaker 1: Leg I mean, it's a pretty song, but it's so basic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's very basic, but the most basic. Cody's basic. Cody
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  Speaker 1: is basic.
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  Speaker 2: But he thinks he's so profound. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Like classical music, I love Paco's Canale.
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  Speaker 1: Very refined it is, it's dumb. My takeaway is that
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I was shape shifting into
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  Speaker 1: the life of Janelle Cody's mom, like living out on
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  Speaker 1: that ranch after Winn has passed, living with Cheryl, the
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  Speaker 1: other sister wife, and I think there's a third sister wife,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't know the lore around that there might
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  Speaker 1: be a third sister wife on the ranch. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: just like these older women, Janelle's in her seventies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: living in this house shack.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like a shack.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a shack.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a shack.
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  Speaker 1: And I just felt really bad for her, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: really sad for her because, as we will discuss, she's
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  Speaker 1: lost not only her husband of fifty years, but her
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  Speaker 1: son Curtis. Yeah, so sad from a motorcycle accident. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just been a summer of tragedy. And there's Janelle
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  Speaker 1: just up in Wyoming living in that shack. And I
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  Speaker 1: just felt bad. I just I did. I felt bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel bad for her too.
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  Speaker 1: And she's still alive.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's passed now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she has. I know Cheryl has.
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  Speaker 1: I know that Janelle went to Cheryl's funeral during COVID,
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  Speaker 1: that was the whole thing. I think Cody went too
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  Speaker 1: as well. But she is still I wonder if Janelle
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  Speaker 1: is still alive because in this episode passed she was
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  Speaker 1: seventy one, and so I think this was filmed around
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. I think, so she'd be like eighty two,
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  Speaker 1: eighty three. It's possible she's.
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  Speaker 2: Still up in Wyoming by herself.
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  Speaker 1: Tody's shack in a new McMansion in flat Staff with
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  Speaker 1: his whole ass fourth wife.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't give a crap about his mom.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I kind of felt like he did in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to it. We'll get to it anyway. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying I'm registering that I'm worried about you. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I feel you, all right. So, without any further ado,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into our recap of Sister Wive season six,
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  Speaker 1: episode seventeen and titled Tragedy in the Family. Yeah, last
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  Speaker 1: episode we had poor Truly with a cross eyes and
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  Speaker 1: doubled over on the floor in the kitchen. We saw
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  Speaker 1: the pictures of her in that hospital bed with her
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  Speaker 1: swollen face. I felt so bad. I was looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to some levity. Yep, no to some party people.
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  Speaker 2: We're not getting any.
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  Speaker 1: We are not getting that. No, we'll start us off.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we start off the episode with this like dumb
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  Speaker 2: segment about like everybody worrying it's forty six days away
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  Speaker 2: until their commitment ceremony. That's gonna be such a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm so excited counting down the dates.
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  Speaker 2: They still haven't finished their mission statement because.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody cares at least of all the children, least of
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  Speaker 1: all the children.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody gives a shit. And then they haven't finished any
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  Speaker 2: of the back backyard decorations, because this is gonna be
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  Speaker 2: in their backyard of gravel in the cul de sac.
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  Speaker 1: A veritable moonscape. You're on the surface of the moon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they haven't decorated or done anything. They meet
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  Speaker 2: with some lady named Brie who's like the event planner
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Your weird husband, I know, just in the background, just.
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  Speaker 2: Like standing there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, husband, it's bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, I've totally done celebrations like this before,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be totally fine, Like we'll we'll make
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  Speaker 2: it work. But I'm like, I don't know if you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna make it work. I don't know if you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: I think they rustle up some sort of a commitment
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  Speaker 1: ceremony they do. It's gonna happen, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be like posh, no and wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be booty, yes, because Cody wants a string
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  Speaker 2: quartet playing buck bells can indeed, just like this is
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  Speaker 2: so stupid. It's so like fancy, yeah, beautiful and elegant,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, well.
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  Speaker 1: Now I have to ask you, like, what's your favorite
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  Speaker 1: classical piece of music?
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  Speaker 2: Box Cello sweet number one?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 2: Do you pray with that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: And then second one is Moonlight Sonata?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, okay, yeah, my favorite bit of classical
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  Speaker 1: music is Vivaldi. The Four Seasons? Is that that great?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I can't take it to every season and I feel
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  Speaker 1: every single beautiful. I love us a little mom.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, love Bach as well?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, back is great? Yeah, okay, yeah right, And I'm
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: not hating on Pokwell, I just think it's such a.
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  Speaker 1: Basic fucking and it's very wedding codd, which you hear
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  Speaker 1: the wives on the couch talking about, like, well, do
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  Speaker 1: we really want to give the appearance of a wedding
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  Speaker 1: or like nuptials or like we're marrying each other. That's
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  Speaker 1: not what this is about. Yeah, we're really just here
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  Speaker 1: to recommit ourselves to this falling apart, broke ass family
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  Speaker 1: and all our kids who hate us. So is there
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  Speaker 1: another song we might be able to play?
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  Speaker 2: And Cody's like, no, it's my party. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: play my favorite classical song.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe break Shit my olymp biscuit would be better. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, that's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been lit. Yeah, but no, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: play PoCA Bell's con No. That was fine. And then
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  Speaker 2: they want to plant a tree because you know, the
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  Speaker 2: whole theme of this commitment ceremony is the trail life.
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  Speaker 2: Because we have a family tree, and like we're all
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  Speaker 2: like brunches and leaves and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And we just arrived at the Culd de Sac and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna put our roots down here because this is
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  Speaker 1: where our home is. We're together finally. Yeah, in the
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  Speaker 1: could sack homes right next to each other. We can
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  Speaker 1: build here, we can be architects and manifest. Meanwhile, four
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  Speaker 1: years later, Yeah, you're picking up all of your steaks,
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  Speaker 1: all your kids, and you're moving to flag Staff. It's wild.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a time capsule in the ground,
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  Speaker 1: you got an oak tree, you got Robin's backyard that
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  Speaker 1: was renovated for the purposes of the celebration. We'll go
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  Speaker 1: to them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and Mary's web bar and Lea, you're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: leave four years later, Well, because the interest is due
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  Speaker 2: or the payments are due to the ball. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: so they gotta leave. Yeah. I would be so fucking
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  Speaker 2: bitter if I was these kids, because you know, looking
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  Speaker 2: at this in these past seasons, I'm like, you really
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  Speaker 2: do have it made. You have the cul de sac.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's got their houses that were presumably their dream houses,
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  Speaker 2: and like everybody seems to be settling in, Like the
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: kids are all in school, like they're making friends, they're
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  Speaker 2: adjusting to Vegas life, and then you just fucking leave
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  Speaker 2: because of dating and going to fucking nau and fly.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: Snaff yes and the balls. Yeah.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to pay it, yeah, one way
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: or another.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have some weird segment where we're meeting
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  Speaker 2: with a contractor and I think.
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: Mark from Living Waters he's a Living Waters and care
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  Speaker 1: landscaper guy.
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  Speaker 2: Is this for the commitment ceremony?
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: He's for the commitment ceremony? He is there to install
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: like landscape features for the party in Robin's backyard, which
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: they continually refer to as our backyard. Okay, we're going
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: to be having to renovate our backyard. But I do
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: believe it's actually Robin that benefits from this renovation. And
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: so she's going to get all this installed landscaping, water
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: features and green features or whatever you call them. And
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Mark's here to just check it out. But of course
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: he's got to learn that he's dealing with a bunch
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: of polygamists. I don't feel like he needed to know that,
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: but of course we've got to proclaim that and declare that.
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  Speaker 1: And so then we have the obligatory scene with Mark
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  Speaker 1: by his truck saying something like, well, yeah, I mean,
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't know they were polygamists. They seem like nice people,
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: but I'm a Christian, yeah, and and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, like when we all die, we're going to
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: get to heaven, but I'm just not sure about them
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  Speaker 1: with that one sin of polygamy. And I was just like, Mark,
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  Speaker 1: shut up. Stf you with their big ass mouths and
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: concerned always about somebody else's sin. Think about your stuff.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Look at the log in your own eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Straight up.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: God, it couldn't stand Mark.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: I'm so tired of that too, Like I'm so tired
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: of like love my neighbor, but like I'm judging your
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: sin though. Yeah, my gosh, shut up.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Just take care
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  Speaker 1: of your own house. Thanks straight. I can't stand it.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: I can't and I'm a Christian. Yeah, I'm talking about
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: my old people.
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so annoying. And I'm just like, I'm so
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: tired of interviewing random people in the city of Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: right and saying, did you know that these people are polygamists?
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think about polygamy? Polygamous? I've never met
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: a polygamist. They seem so normal. I really enjoyed their company. Okay,
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: every other episode, every single same thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same script too, because you know, TLC is
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: telling them to say that. They tell say that they're nice,
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  Speaker 2: wholesome people, because that's what we're trying to advertise. And
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, they aren't like awful. I mean,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: the og wives, they're not awful, you know, but like
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  Speaker 2: they're just normal people.
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  Speaker 1: Having a business interaction. And afterwards they all meet in
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  Speaker 1: somebody's living room it's probably Robin's, and they're talking about
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  Speaker 1: everything and they're not discussing religion. And then we have
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: the scene on the couch with the adults and they're
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: talking about, oh, I didn't really know that Mark even
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: commented about our polygamy because it never even came up
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: in the conversation. We're just doing business with other people
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: of integrity, and that's the way that it should be.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: And then Robin says something like, I mean, I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: known it at the time. I mean, if I had
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: known that he said something like that at the time,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: and then here comes her job. But I had known
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: so hard it said something about us in polygamy. I
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have liked that.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have liked that at all, not at all.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: And then Cody says something stupid like he gets upset
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  Speaker 2: because they've been hiding polygamy for so long?
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  Speaker 1: What on National TV sixth season of Sister Wow, they're
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  Speaker 1: still an hiding.
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  Speaker 2: They had to run away from Utah.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: We've for the law, other shows on TLC dealing with
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  Speaker 1: Mormons and getting away from the like, everybody understands that
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  Speaker 1: you're a polygamist.
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  Speaker 2: But he wants to let it shine. This is his chance.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we're having this commitment ceremony, so we can
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: just come out and let everybody know we're prouled to
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: be polygamists. It's so yeah, I got that season one, honey,
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: we understand, we get it.
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: But then flash forward to season nineteen and now you're
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: I'm a monogamous. Yeah, I'm a promenade.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe in it.
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: Are sorry if I led you with stray?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to me. And then we take a
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  Speaker 2: trip to Wyoming, and this is where we learn that
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: the family has experienced two tragedies in like the last
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: couple months. We had Curtis, Cody's brother, who died in
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: a tragic motorcycle accident, leaving behind his wife and kids.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: And then we have wind Brown, Cody's papa, who died
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: of natural causes. I guess he had a stroke or something.
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  Speaker 2: And the family is reeling from this double death. And
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: so they're going to travel to Wyoming to I think,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: like go to the funerals.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: It's not funerals. The funerals have already taken place. They're
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: literally filming content. That's kind of what's day about this
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: is that they've already had the funeral for Curtis and
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: when and they talk about the horses and what happened after, right, Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're making an extra trip up with cameras, which is
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: why Erica never showed up Erica Curtis's wife, because this
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: is just about producing and about cameras, but they're going
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: up to like film stuff, gross and having an additional
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: memorial of some sort.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: That's why I felt like this whole episode was off
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: because I'm just like, are you going for the funerals?
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Like a couple months later, like okay, no, you're just
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: manufacturing content, got it? Yeah? Gross? Like even back in
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, Like you see this problem a lot nowadays,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: like with TikTok and Instagram and stuff like where people
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: are manufacturing content, Like you have those family bloggers that
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: are like so sinister and everything. But like even back
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, you have Cody motherfucking Brown being like,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: you know what, my dad and my brother died. This
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: is great content for TLC. Let's kind offilm it.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why Eric is not participating based and I
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: wouldn't either, No, I wouldn't do it. And this is
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: the problem again with reality television. As soon as your
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: cast becomes aware yeah, of the cameras and is contributing
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: storylines and content ideas, then you've lost the plot. It's
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: not authentic, and it's no longer as entertaining. It's not
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: that I'm not entertained, Yeah I am, but it's just
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: not as entertaining.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me that Cody even now and I'm
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: thinking about it, I'm like, Wow, like, your brother died
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: and you're just going up to Wyoming just to talk
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: about him.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Put bandana's on a fence post.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And talk about how much you miss him. And now
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering, like, were you even that close? Are you
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: that close?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: There's so many smoke and mirror things happening in this family,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: it's crazy.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: We do hear some of like the lore between like
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Cody and Curtis, because I guess Cody's family was LDS
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and then when converted to polygamy because he wanted a
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: bang Cheryl, and this happened when Cody was on a
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: mission trip. And then I think Curtis was the one
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: that was like, nah, fam, I'm not living this life
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: at all. I'm gonna go and be a Christian.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: And I think it's precipitated by his meeting of Erica.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Like he meets Erica, the family is introduced to Erica,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and then sometime after that Curtis becomes a born again
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Christian and so they do like have different faiths yea,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: And this causes some kind of a rift between Win
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and Curtis. They don't really elaborate too much about that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know who judged too, but based on kind
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: of the way Cody talks about Curtis, it sounds like
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: it was when who maybe had a problem with Curtis
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: at the very least leaving Mormonism coming just a regular
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: regular Christian.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who didn't believe in salamanders. Sorry, you didn't hear
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: me say. And then they go over to Janelle's house,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Cody's mom, Yes, And this is where she tells the
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: story of how she met when Yeah, I met in
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: high school or something at a high school dance. Yeah,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: she was dancing with his friend and then she was like,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: oh but I want that.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Well, but they were straight up men. Did you catch
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: that what? So it's a high school dance. Janelle went
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: to the same high school Win went to, but he
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: had already graduated. He became a full on man. He's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a rancher now would do But Janelle is, I don't
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: know how to say it, dame, and shes gonna say, Jane,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Janelle is still in high school, and I'm like, are
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you a freshman though? Are you a sophoman? Like? What
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: grade are you in in high school? Well, they go
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to some kind of a dance and then in walk
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: these two grown ass men. One's a rancher and one's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a farmer, and the farmer exactly yeah. So the farmer
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: is like, can I dance with you? Janelle? And she does?
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And then Win, who's the friend of the farmer. So
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: when's a rancher a whole man though? Ole man goes
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: by Janaille's home, knocks on the door and says, hey,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I'm here on behalf of my friend. You know, would
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: you be amenable to being a farmer's wife? Would you
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: be okay living that kind of life? Because that's what
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: he does. He's interested in you. And that's when Janelle,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: very cheeky, very forward, says, well, actually, I'm kind of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: into you, dog. I'm kind of digging your vibe, the aura.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: It's just so beautiful. And so then that's how she
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: gets with Win. And we see these pictures of Winn
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: as a young man, young rancher. I'm like, he's kind
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of handsome, Yeah, totally definitely got the cowboy vibe. I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: can see how the basement would flood for a man
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: like that, big old Win, those cowboy boots and a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: big old hat.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: That's what your husband where he wears big old cowboy
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: boots and wrangler geek.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: You know I like that?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, like I do. Man, it was a
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: different time back then, right.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: But you know Winn had a hard face. Oh yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: my husband, he's smiling all his life. Yeah, he's got
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a good sense of humor. But like with Wynn, he
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: seems like a stern person. He seems like a hard
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: egged person, like a task master daddy.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And then we go over to Cheryl's house and go
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: visit Cheryl, and Cheryl's not having a good time.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: She's not doing well.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: She is not having a good time. But this is
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: where we have Janelle, Cody's wife, tell the story of
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: how Cheryl met Win. And I feel like we've heard
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: this a million times.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Well let's go over it again for the new listeners.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Well, Janelle have been friends with Cody and Mary because
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Janelle was married to Mary's brother.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: And she was traditional LDS, whereas Cody and Mary were aub.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Cody suggested going to Wyoming.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And hanging out at wins ranch, which is odd, don't
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you think a little bit. He's just like, well, I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: if you're really into the cowboy lifestyle, why don't you
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: go visit my dad who's a polygamist and stuff and
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: go spend some time with them.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then Janelle does yeah, and Cheryl came too
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: because Cheryl.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: It was after a while though, because.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: She was concerned about Janelle falling into the cult.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Right, because brainwashing, there's abdoctions, there's like a lot of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: mythology around the aub and so she travels to Win's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: ranch to make sure her daughter's okay, and then she
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: falls in love with Win and they get married Hoddy
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: before Janelle and Cody do big belt buckle. That's right,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: he's got a swagger to that. I'm geelling you.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: They fell madly in love. And then four months later
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Cody and Janelle get married, right, because I guess Janelle's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: sense divorced or something.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I did think it was interesting if I can just
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: pause a bit, because we get to Cheryl's house, which
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: is another shock, quite frankly, and she does seem very depressed.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like there's just a blanket of grief over her,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and Cody says he asks her, like, how are you doing?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: How are you holding up? And she's like, basically, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: cannot talk about it, which is so like Janelle recall
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: when she loses Garrison and she goes back to the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Carolinas and like her sister's trying to talk to her,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like she just can't get the words out. So she's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: very similar to her mother in this way, which I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: thought was interesting. And then later in this episode and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I'll just kind of get to it now we have
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the conversation about why it is easier I guess for
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Janelle Cody's mother to sort of process Wins passing because
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: she had fifty whole years with when, whereas with Cheryl
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: she met him when she was forty eight years old
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and she only had twenty years. And I think like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: she's the robin to Wins Cody in that relationship, like
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: when they cross paths and locked eyes, it was soulmate
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: karma stuff, yep. And he fell in love with Cheryl
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and Cheryl fell in love with him, and so she's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: mourning when I think in a different way than Janelle definitely.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's sad.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I think this is where we have. Cody even echo that,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I can understand where Cheryl's coming from
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: because my dad met her and fell in love and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: this is the love of his life or whatever, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: didn't have enough time, so I can relate to Cheryl
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that way. And I'm like, oh, well.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Why can you relate to Cheryl that way?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Do you think because you met Robin later in life
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and you don't got enough time, and you're you're foreshadowing
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: it a little bit and you can see yourself and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: her shoes, and like, hopefully you and Robin live a happy,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: long life.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I guess for a long life.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to wish bad upon you, even though
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it forever, but may you live forever and go bankrupt.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: But like, you know, it was interesting to hear Cody
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: say something like that, like I can understand how Cheryl feels.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, got it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he is at present considering Robin to be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: his soulmates exactly. Yes.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And then we have Cody and the kids, I think
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: writing poems and letters about win or to win, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: they're going to go to the cemetery and this is
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: where they are going to leave some of the letters
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and stuff in his cowboy boots yeh, at the cemetery,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: which is kind of sweet. And I thought this was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting because of how Cody recounted like a
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: specific experience with his dad. Cody says that he never
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: really felt loved by his dad because his dad was
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a very harsh, I guess, kind of cold rancher who
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: probably didn't say I love you very much, and like
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't very tender. And I think Cody talks about like
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: when he was a kid working on the ranch and
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: living on the ranch, like his dad made him work
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and made all of the guys work and was not
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: kind about it, like not very like willing to give
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: him breaks or anything like that. And Cody was really
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: into athletics and stuff in his school years and everything,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and was it on his eighteenth birthday.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Well before that, Like Cody talks about like having to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: work the ranch, like that's not interested at all in
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: working the ranch. He kind of wants to do his wrestling.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: He wants to be a part of the things that
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: he's interested in. And when it's just all business, like
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: it's a ranch and there's a lot of crap that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: needs to be done, and I've got boys, and you're
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: going to do the work with me. And Cody says
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that he complained for years about being cold. Yeah, they're
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: in Wyoming and he doesn't have enough layers, and he's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: out here working with the horses and the cows and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: all these things, and he just cold all the time.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So while simultaneously pursuing athletics, he's also working the ranch
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and he's uncomfortable, and so yes, then we get to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I think it was his eighteenth birth.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Sting like that, right, and he wanted a letterman jacket
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: because he was so big in athletics, and so he
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: gets a gift from his dad and he thinks that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it's a letterman jacket, but it ends up being coveralls, right,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: which apparently really upset Cody. And like, when you're eighteen,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you don't realize the significance of that, right, because you're
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: just like the fucking dog coveralls.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So I didn't keep working on the ranch. But like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't it weird though to you that he would put
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it in the box of the place that sold the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: letterman jacket a little almost as if he was goating Cody,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: or like teasing Cody a little bit, or maybe the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: same place sold the coveralls. I don't know, but it
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: just seemed like almost a cruel trick on behalf of whim.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah. And then when Cody is like writing this
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: letter to his dad and like reading at the cemetery,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He's like, I realized, now, after all these years, that like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you gave me these coveralls because you were worried about
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: me being cold, and you were remembering when I was
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a kid, right, and I was complaining about being cold,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and like to me, I can see the sentiment of that,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Like I can see like him realizing like, oh, maybe
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: my dad like wasn't always a piece of shit. Maybe
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: he did actually care about me. But like maybe you're right,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: maybe it was like this weird little trick that he
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: was playing on him. Or maybe that's what we're getting
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Cody's version of it, right, Like.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe I think Cody is trying to look back and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: put on some rose collared glasses. Maybe a little bit.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I think that his father, in that moment giving him coveralls,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: at the very least, was insensitive to what his son
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: actually really valued and wanted. Yeah, but I think a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: lot of us do this when we lose people, especially
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: if we're losing people who we had problematic relationships with,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Like we want to be able to look back at
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: those relationships and not feel pain. We want to sort
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of contextualize them in a way so that they're not
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: as hurtful. So it just felt to me like Cody
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was trying to make it work with his dad, Like,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I get it, you just didn't want me to be cold.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You really did love me. But I'm just sitting here
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: as an innocent bystander wondering. I mean, I'm sure Wynn
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: loved him, I'm sure when all of his children, but
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily make him a good dad, especially to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: his boys. I don't know. I don't even know that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I don't even know about the sisters. I don't even
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: know who his sisters are. Does he have sisters?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Not all boys. Yeah, never even heard of the sisters.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I wonder what their story would be like of their father. Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I wish we could get more insight into that because
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it would explain some of Cody's like
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: terrible behavior. And I'm not saying that like Wynn was
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: like this awful person I don't fucking know anything about him.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I just know that he's like a hard rancher and everything.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: But I guess like I could just kind of of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: relate to the idea of like trying to find like
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: some goodness in your parent or like in these people
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: that have passed on because you are looking at the
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: situation a little bit differently and like maybe Cody is
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: trying to in this regard. But it was just interesting
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to me, like seeing this from Cody because we know
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: him now to be somebody who's incapable of like reflection
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: or any kind of acknowledgment of any goodness that like
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: his og wives produced for the family. Like he can't
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: see any of that kind of stuff now, Like we're
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: looking back now and he's like trying to find the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: goodness in his dad.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but even in him trying to find the goodness
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: in his dad in this moment, it's about him.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's the light that comes respect to me. Oh he
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: really did love me though, right, he really did see
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: me and see what I needed, And yeah, he gave
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it to me because he loved me.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. It's still like that narcissistic, Yes,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: still narcissistic. Yes, and then we shift gears for some
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: fucking reason and we have them Mary and the family
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: so dumb. Going back to her former employers Tom and Jerry, No,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: it's Tom and.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Terry talmentary at like a plaque shop. So Cody worked
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: at a sign shop and Mary worked at a packet shop.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be like working with disaffected youth.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I had heard about her doing that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: But I guess that was in Utah, I guess or something.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So but when they were in Wyoming, he worked at
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the sign shop and she worked at the black shop,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and she was very secretive about being a polygamist because
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: they would have been judged in the community. Oh and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: so she never did tell her employers Terry and Tom
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that she was a polagymist. So now they're going back
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to tell them twenty years later.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't understand. And they go and like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Mary's all anxious and as usuable, But I'm like, this
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: is so dumb to be anxious about when you're on
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a national television show on TLC.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Like, but she's always anxious and uncomfortable when she has
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to commute Kate of course express herself because this little way. Yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I can't get into.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: It because she can't be a grown up and like
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: just speak with her big girl words. But Tom and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Terry already found out, of course, because they watched the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: show or something.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: They knew when she was working there. Yeah, it's like
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: because somebody called them and said, oh, by the way,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: like Cody's got multiple wives, and they're like, are you
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: kidding me? You must have just heard that from Cody
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and he was just show boding. He was just making
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: stuff up, because that's how Cody is. Did you catch
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that part? That's just what Cody does. He talks a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: big game. And so we just didn't know for sure.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: But then we saw you one day with Christine, Yeah,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and she was pregnant, and we wondered a little bit
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: maybe it was true.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And spoiler, they don't care. They never cared back then.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: They don't give a shit. Now they're like, yeah, we've
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: been knowing. It's fine.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: We live in Wyoming. We see this all the time.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: We know this exists in our zeitgeist.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: We getting so dumb. And Mary's like, oh my ha
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: ha ha, Like I'm so glad, I'm so nervous, so done.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Cody actually makes tell them formally, yes, so why didn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you tell them what you came here to tell them
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: after they already told you. We have been knowing this
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: for twenty years, So Cody, I mean, excuse me. Mary
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: then says, oh, well, by the way, I'm a polygamist.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Her hers, this is so dumb, so dumb, this is
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: so so cringe dumb, so bad. And then we hear
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: from Christine talking about how hard it was to like
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: hide the fact that she was a plural wife, and like,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I get it, but you get it also like a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: window into Christine kind of breaking I think fundamentally from
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this whole thing, like realizing kind of sucks to have
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to hide my relationship, hide my marriage, like not be
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: able to have my husband around all the time because
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he's with other wives or whatever. Like it's you're starting
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: to see Christine realize, like this kind of sucks, and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it's been sucking for quite some time since I've lived
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in Wyoming, because she's like, I can't just walk down
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the street in Cody or Level Wyoming with my husband
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: pregnant because people will ask questions, why is Cody with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: this woman when he's married to Mary, and so Janelle
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and Christine weren't able to be seen just them to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: ever sad and that is that is actually sad, like
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: super sad.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And also like watching this it made me realize and
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: have a little bit more compassion for how cringe Christine
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: has been now because now she's just excited to be
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: sure a monogamous wife. She's still cringe and just.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Have someone who only has eyes for her. Yes, that's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: got to be wonderful after having to compete for your
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: husband's gaze with two other women and then only one
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: other woman, right, the new woman.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly, so even though she's still cringe now I understand.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And then we have the family going over to the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: river to memorialize Curtis.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we have the big scene with when at
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the cemetery which seems to be the same cemetery as Garrison.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: It did look exactly the same cemetery, which is sweet
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and wonderful that Garrison is laid to rest there. But
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: then yes, we do have a little bit of a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: family memorial for Curtis at this place by the river
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: where Cody and Curtis used to spend quite a lot
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of time it's also the spot where the family first
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: met Erica, yeah, and got to know Erica. And it
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: just made me wonder in this moment again, why Erica
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: is not there. It just felt intuitively, let me put
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: on my sake, my fake psychic hat. It felt intuitive
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to me like she was saying, I don't want to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: be there because you're just doing this for the cameras.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We've already had a funeral. I'm literally a widow. I've
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: just lost my young husband. I've got two little kids,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and you're bringing all these cameras up to the place
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: where I live so that you can what film a show?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Do you even give a crap about me? And the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: answer is no, no, I don't think Cody actually gives
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a crap about you. I think he's just making television.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And so she doesn't show up, Her kids aren't there.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: It's just Janelle Mom, Cody and his kids and his wives,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and yep, I was like, oh, that's a pretty glaring omission.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It makes me wonder like how they were even allowed
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to do this in the first place, because if you're
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: right about Erica like not wanting to be a part
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of this because she doesn't want her husband's tragic death
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: being used to exploited, yes, to be for profit and everything,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Like I wonder if she tried to say like no,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Like I wonder, I wonder if she tried to call
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the network or anything, or maybe she just didn't have
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the bandwidth to even deal with all of that. She
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: was just like, fuck you, Cody, Like I guess, do
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: whatever you want, Like I'm going to be private with
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: my kids while we're literally mourning.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It just kind of had echoes of what happened with Garrison.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Oh this memorial service, and there was that rumor that
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the family didn't want the cameras to be there, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Cody brings the cameras anyway, and so then the cameras
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: have to stay like two hundred feet away or whatever,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and so we get these shots at the memorial from
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a long distance away, And I was like, is Cody
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the driver behind like needing to have these sentimental moments
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: like a commitment ceremony for example, and the upcoming time
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: capsule ceremony that they're going to have, Like is he
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the driver behind creating these fake moments just to mine
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: this sentiment from the audience. And maybe Erica knows this
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and Oh yeah, maybe that's why Eric is not there
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe. And I mean, if Cody is a communal type
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: of narcissist where he wants everybody to think like he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: such a good person and he's such a caring brother
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and such a caring son, like he would totally do
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: all these things.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, but like, what's the difference between a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: regular narcissist and a communal narcissist. I mean, aren't all
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: narcissists wanting the community to see them a certain way?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily. The communal narcissists are one specifically where they
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: like try to do a lot of charity work, or
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: they try to do a lot of things that make
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: them appear to be good people or like no, I'm
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: so giving because I'm such a good person. It's like
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that kind of it's still narcissism. It's still fueled by
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like this stupid ego and everything, but it's like mainly
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: focused on the appearances of like, no, I'm a good person. No,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I have a happy family. Yeah, like Cody being so
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: focused on the big family and having all of his
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: wives get along and everything, like no, like I'm a
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: good plural husband, I've been good this whole entire time.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Y'all are just all wrong, Like it's that kind of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: okay narcissism, Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, but anyway, moving on from Curtis's sexual moral yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: we go on then to Cody going to meet with
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: his mom. Yes, just them, so there's no other family
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: around yet. And I actually thought this was a really
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: sweet scene because of the way that Cody took care
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: of his mom, like emotionally, like no, he was asking
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: questions like how are you mom? Yeah, and how have
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you been doing? And we learn that Janelle is actually struggling.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: She's been she's been going through Curtis's old poems and yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: like she's This is where she says she tells us
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that she's actually really struggling with the passing of Curtis
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: much more than with when. Yeah, and Cody's just trying
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to take care of his mom, and at some point
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: he's like, well, would you ever consider leaving this shuck
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: all right and like coming down to maybe spend longer
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: amounts of time in Las Vegas around all of your grandkids?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And she's like, honestly, no, Yeah, I'm okay here, I've
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: got seventy some odd grandkids, so not just your children,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Like I got a lot of grandkids and I'm busy,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but I'm just sad.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she says she's lonely too, Like she's busy,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: but she's lonely. And that's like this part was hard
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: for me, just because Cody's like trying to get his
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: mom to like move closer to be with family and everything,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: and she's resistant to it because you know, when you're
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: that old, like you don't really want that kind of
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a change, like let me just be in my shack
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and sure, on the rand, I'm used to what I'm
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: used to exactly. They don't want to move, like that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: was how my poppy was like after my non I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: were like, do you want to come live with my
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: mom or my uncle? And he's just like, nope, I'm
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: going to stay here my small town. And it's like, okay,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you can't really force them to do that. They just
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: want to be where they're comfortable and that's fair. Yep.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And then we have like a story I can't remember
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: who said this, if it was Cody or what, but
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: like when Winn died, he apparently looked surprised. Yeah, like
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and Cody I think says like he maybe saw Curtis
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: or something like it was as if.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Like he was surprised by somebody in the room and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Cody thinks it was Curtis. And then Cody talks also
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: about the two funerals, Like first Curtis passes and then
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the family gets back to the ranch and like all
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of the horses are Cody says, acting crazy, but like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: they're running around, they're super activated. Yeah, and Curtis was
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: really a horse person. He was a cowboy person. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: then when Win passed and they had his funeral, they
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: come back to the ranch and the horses are behaving
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in much the same way. Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Kind of interesting. Yeah, that they were like all really
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: into the horses and everything, and the horses may be new.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: It's really sad actually. And then we have the family
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: meeting up and they talk about like Cheryl and Janelle
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Cody's mom, going to church.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so after when passes, Cheryl and Janelle, Cody's mom,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: make a pact that they're just going to make sure
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that they manage and maintain their relationship. And so they
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: first go to church together. The next week, they go
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to a matinee together. They watch a movie, like it
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: is a priority for them to make sure that they
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: nurture their relationship, which is an interesting sort of unspoken
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: comment on what's going on with Cody's wives, because of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: course we have them in Sedona with the counselor like
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: talking about what is going to happen if I pass away?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Are you guys even going to be friends? Are you
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: guys going to still be considered a family together?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And so they're sort of reflecting in this watching Janelle
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: and Cheryl try to make this work and live together
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on the ranch after Wind's gone, And I think the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: subtext there is like, are we going to do that?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Would we even be able to go to church together?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Would we be able to go to a movie together?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Because as it stands in this moment, I don't think so.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I think if Cody dies first year in the cul
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: de Sac, the women are scattering like the wind.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent, because why would you be friends
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: with someone.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Like Robin or Mary or Mary? Yeah, like why, well
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: that's why.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Like even now you see it's just Christine and Janelle
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: ye trying to like stay close, and all of their
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: kids are pretty close, and Mary's doing her own thing
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and going to Disneyland. I guess, hey, Robin's at home
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: with her American girl dolls. Yeah, yikes, and her men
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: and her man to you, I mean, not much of
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: a prize there, but like whatever, And then this is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: where Cody again has to like make the connection of
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: like losing his brother and his dad and with truly
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: being sick, and like, this is why we need to
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: have the commitment ceremony. This is why we need to
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: commit to each other because we're a family and we
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: love each other. Blah blah blah. Again, like speaking to
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: your point of Cody just using all of this to
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: manufacture content and try to connect it to the stupid ass.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: So he's becoming a producer, yes, and as we know,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the producer that left last year Sister Wives, they were friends.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Like that producer lived next door or like in the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: same subdivision as Cody. They were friends. And so Cody
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: is obviously talking to the producer in twenty fourteen or
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: whatever and trying to come up with storylines and content
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that they can produce. So you can already see him
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: wearing this hat and I don't.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Like it neither.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's good. But there's Luckily, so many
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: other things going on in this family that it keeps
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: me interested.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very definitely. And then we have the preview for
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: next episode, which hopefully will be lighter and funnier. We
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: can make fun of people. We have a dressmaker coming.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Old you like that. I'm wondering if this is where
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I initially picked up with Sister Wives, like started to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: watch it. Really this part I think in this season
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: because I remember watching that episode with the dressmaker so bad.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: But then I think I walked away from it again
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and it came back around the time of the Catfish.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember this.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: This is coringe. I remember this episode two because the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: dressmaker comes by and she's designing these.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Beautiful, dreadful you sure about that?
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: All four of the ladies, and it's a complete fucking
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: shit show.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I can't care.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It's going to be so good.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: They don't wear the dresses, though, I think at the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: end of the day, I don't think so.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I think like maybe one or two of them have
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: a dress that's like completed, and then like one or
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I think Mary probably buys one.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And Robin I'm sure probably would not be seen in
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a bad dress.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Of course, and then we have the kids saying that
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the commitment ceremony means more to the adults than it
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: means to them, like they don't give a shoe.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Well, because the adults understand that this is their job
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and if they don't produce content, they're going to lose
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it and their income.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then we have Janelle asking the question to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Cody about if they put this mission statement on canvas
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and it's permanent, like, what is going to happen if
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Cody decides to get another wife?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: My god, it's the Robins jog. It's really hard as
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: she's sitting in her armchair across the room just staring
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: at him. Oh another wife?
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: What really, You're gonna get another one? Okay? And of
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: course Cody's gonna be like, no, I have no plans
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: because he never is going to because Robin's.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It and he's in love. He's sprung, honey, he has
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: sprung sprung Diesel jeans model, that's right, break dancing. See. Well,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: this was an interesting episode. It was a sad episode.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Curtis was so young, he was thirty four, tragic four
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: on a motorcycle. You know, my husband owned a motorcycle
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: when I met him myola. You know I dated impotent man, right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: He had a motorcycle too.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: That's how he got his brain, That's how he got
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: his TPI. He was not wearing a helmet because he
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: was a dumb mess. Not wearing a helmet. He gets
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: into an accident and gets a TBI, changes his brain
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: chemistry forever, leading to our ultimate BREAKUPD. And so then
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: when I got with my now husband and he had
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: like a couple of bikes, I'm just like, you know what, fair,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I get it. I love that for you, but I
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: don't think I can date you. I've just got too
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: much trauma. And do you know he sold those bikes
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: within thirty days? Shut he sold those bikes within thirty days.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And I remember the first guy coming to get his
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Kawasaki or whatever it was. He's like, so, why are
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: you selling your bike? And he's like, yeah, my girlfriend
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't want me to ride. And the man's like, I
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: would never do that for a woman, never, okay, And
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: my husband's like, all right, sorry, he gave it up
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was worried that something like that with
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Curtis would happen.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: That's actually really sweet.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: It is week because he loved his motorcycle. I know, I.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Bet he was so cool on those motorcycles.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Oooh my god. You know he's like six', three, yes
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and he'd be wearing like His Power rangers, outfit like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: when he's riding his Little. Kawasaki some about you gives
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: me going up six months, LATER i was, married still
• 44:21
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• 44:24
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• 44:27
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