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Liza: A Truly Terrific Absolutely True Story Recap · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we tried something, it didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: Darlings, welcome in. It is a Liza Minelli kind of
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  Speaker 3: a day. And Emily Dress and I are going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about this beautiful documentary that we watched called Liza,
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  Speaker 3: a truly terrific, absolutely true story.
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  Speaker 1: Which is free to stream on the PBS app.
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  Speaker 3: And let me tell you, Emily, you're ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 3: You were three steps ahead of me again. And I
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  Speaker 3: just said, yeah, you know, that's a great idea. Let's
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  Speaker 3: do Liza, right. And I was thinking, oh, it'll be
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  Speaker 3: available here, here, there, everywhere that you find stuff for free.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't even like look, and then I get a.
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  Speaker 3: Text from you that says, by the way, with this
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  Speaker 3: tip about PBS, because as you can see when you
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: Google it, it's just you have to buy it on
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  Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, you have to buy it on Apple TV.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the other outlets, but it's not free.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was initially a showtime streamer when
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  Speaker 1: it first came out a couple months ago, but now
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  Speaker 1: PBS has the rights to it and it's free.
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  Speaker 3: Amazing, So yeah, I just I asked Brett to download
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  Speaker 3: that app to the television and he did so immediately,
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  Speaker 3: as wow, my instructions.
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  Speaker 1: How did he? I mean, yeah, you've got yourself an
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  Speaker 1: it guy, I do.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, download zeb I don't know, watch it.
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  Speaker 4: I can't watch.
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  Speaker 3: This, mother, and he was like, yes, yes I will.
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  Speaker 3: So I am so happy to have taken this film
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  Speaker 3: in and what a delight to be able to talk
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  Speaker 3: about it today. Now we are recording this on Saturday evening.
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  Speaker 3: This is before my trip to Disney. I'm leaving in
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days, and because I'm trying to get
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  Speaker 3: Disney ready and do all the things I am not
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  Speaker 3: donned in Liza Minlly gear right now. So if you're
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  Speaker 3: listening to this, this is the better experience. If you're watching,
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  Speaker 3: I apologize although Emily is looking absolutely stunning.
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  Speaker 2: And I wore just blouse.
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  Speaker 1: I wore a high colored blouse.
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  Speaker 3: Just because the way it hangs, you know what it's doing.
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  Speaker 2: It what it wants to do.
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  Speaker 1: The fabric is doing what it wants to do. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I stared at this, I don't know a week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah about I remember you saying you got that blouse.
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  Speaker 3: The fabric for the blouse and the hanger yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the side of my armchair, just threw it
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  Speaker 1: there and stared at it for a week.
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  Speaker 3: That that blouse wanted a cup of coffee and a
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  Speaker 3: pack of Virginia Slims Ultra lights, yes, in a flip
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  Speaker 3: top box, and you gave it to it. And now
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  Speaker 3: look at you. Look how gorgeous it is on you. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if you're wondering why we're being so specific about that,
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  Speaker 3: A big chunk of this episode, I mean sorry, the
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  Speaker 3: big chunk of this documentary was talking about Holston because obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned Holston, you mentioned Liza, you mentioned Liza,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned Holston. They're they're together, this anonymous and of
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  Speaker 3: course we got to talk to a lot of his
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  Speaker 3: appronie in the documentary, who of course said that that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, some of the the designs that they would
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  Speaker 3: make were they would take the fabric and they would
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  Speaker 3: let it hang for days and stare at it, just
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  Speaker 3: wait days until it would tell it, tell them what
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  Speaker 3: to do with it and how it would be, and
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  Speaker 3: they ultimately just did with it what it wanted to do.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what I say to that coeludes drugs.
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  Speaker 3: Drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, drug because if you haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: the Holston series, which I thought was great, I don't
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  Speaker 3: I remember not getting the greatest reviews. I don't remember
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  Speaker 3: who played Halls.
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  Speaker 1: They threw some shade. They threw some shade on that
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  Speaker 1: Holston in the lies of documentary too. Did you catch that? No?
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  Speaker 2: What did they say?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they said yes. It was one of the APPRENTI
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  Speaker 3: who said something along the lines of, despite what it's depicted,
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  Speaker 3: it's rarely depicted of Halston, that he was this funny, fun.
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  Speaker 1: Late as it's been depicted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good call, Emily, good call. And I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that entire documentary was about how debaucherous his whole life was.
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  Speaker 3: That it was about sex and drugs and irresponsibility with
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  Speaker 3: his business, that he was never holding on to it,
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  Speaker 3: holding on to it with a barely if within an
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  Speaker 3: inch of its life or say a thread, and how
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  Speaker 3: he ultimately practically, i mean, lost it pretty much and
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  Speaker 3: had to sell out to like what was it, J C.
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  Speaker 3: Penny or something like that in the end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, something like that. But according to Liza, no
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  Speaker 1: drugs ever, no drinks ever, Studio fifty four. And that's
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  Speaker 1: on us for believing the hype.
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  Speaker 3: She was like, amazing, ever amazed four absolutely maybe Studio
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  Speaker 3: fifty two, never Studio fifty more. That was a remarkable moment,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a remarkable moment. Had that not been in there,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it being in there just really
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  Speaker 3: shows the type of dar say yeah. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to say it, you know, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to say delusion or denial, but it's important. But I
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  Speaker 3: also think she's coming from an angle of like, let's
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  Speaker 3: stop depicting things as just one thing, much like that
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  Speaker 3: Apprentie of Holston was saying that the documentary was depicting
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  Speaker 3: about him or I'm sorry that the dramatic series, and
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  Speaker 3: let's paint all sides of the story. And maybe that's
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  Speaker 3: perhaps what Lies is doing by taking away all of
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  Speaker 3: the drugs and saying.
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  Speaker 4: Not one drug, not one drug in Studio fifty four.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Again, like she's been saying this over and over, She's like, again,
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  Speaker 3: there were no drugs, nobody was doing drugs.
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  Speaker 2: It's like wow, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is so weird because I've always thought how cool it
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  Speaker 1: was that she embraced her addiction and her issues like that,
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  Speaker 1: and for her to then say that I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think it was that Michael
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  Speaker 1: Fineste that was like was it him? That was like
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  Speaker 1: her parents are MGM or parents like they were raised
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  Speaker 1: in the business to act a certain way on camera,
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  Speaker 1: and that's you know, I mean not that they were
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  Speaker 1: raised on MGM. It's just that that is how they
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  Speaker 1: were taught to handle business. Yes, and you get little
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  Speaker 1: glimpses of that with Eliza.
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  Speaker 3: Still it's amazing, I mean, because you can't you can't
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  Speaker 3: buy that kind of media training now with people. You
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  Speaker 3: know that that era, at least with her specifically, bread
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  Speaker 3: what you saw if she were to be in an
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  Speaker 3: interview pleasant, covering up at all, with a smile, joking,
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  Speaker 3: you know, things when they're like, well, what about your mother?
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  Speaker 3: You know that you would Are you glad that you're
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  Speaker 3: not following in the footsteps of her and her addictions
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  Speaker 3: and that you're facing this head on and you're being public.
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  Speaker 2: What do you have to say about that?
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  Speaker 3: I would say, not another question about my mother, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like laugh it off instead of It's.
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  Speaker 1: Just that was the wish that she had. If she could,
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  Speaker 1: if you could walk down your mother's yellow brick road,
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  Speaker 1: what would the one thing you wish you could change,
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  Speaker 1: happen or change And she said, not one more question
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  Speaker 1: about my mother.
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  Speaker 2: And oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: I read it. I really got it. I and I
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  Speaker 1: think I knew a lot about all of it. I
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  Speaker 1: knew she was over it, but like I didn't realized
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  Speaker 1: she was publicly that over it, that she's just throwing
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  Speaker 1: that away on like a evening magazine interview. Right, we're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be bubblegum. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing about her really being public about
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  Speaker 3: being in rehab was a game changer, I think for
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  Speaker 3: many people in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was.
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  Speaker 3: She paved that path, and I know that she had
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  Speaker 3: some slip ups if you will, after that. I mean
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  Speaker 3: it's a journey for so Yeah, but she was really
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  Speaker 3: transparent about it. And also the idea that she was
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  Speaker 3: emphatic about how this is not because of her mother,
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  Speaker 3: This is not because of her mother.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but it is. I mean, it's genetic, the addiction,
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  Speaker 1: you know. In that way, I think I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: now because they were only playing interviews from earlier, and
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if now she gets it medically. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if we all didn't quite get it back then and
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  Speaker 1: now she never she didn't like update that thinking. But
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  Speaker 1: I would think she gets the genetic part of it
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  Speaker 1: now more, don't you.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps they did not ask her a ton of questions
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  Speaker 3: in her current sit down interview. It was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of flashbacks, and that's fine, because what will you expect?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she is how old is she now?
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  Speaker 1: Seventy nine?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you know which George Hamilton?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, how old is he? George Hamilton is
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  Speaker 1: like eighty five. He looks great, he looks great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Liza's had I mean she's had a rough seventy nine years.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she also looked she looked older when she
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  Speaker 3: was nineteen. I mean she looked forty when she was
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  Speaker 3: like in her twenty so but go ahead, yeah, what well.
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  Speaker 1: She do you remember when she like in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: when she came out for the Academy Awards.
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  Speaker 3: It was right after the Walls in the wheelchair. She
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  Speaker 3: was in that wheelchair.
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  Speaker 1: In the wheelchair. You know, she wasn't supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: in a wheelchair. She was supposed to be in a
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  Speaker 1: director's chair. And they were going to push the platform
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  Speaker 1: out so that the audience just saw her on a
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  Speaker 1: platform and Lady Gaga talking to her eye to eye,
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  Speaker 1: and after that they put her in a wheelchair, which
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  Speaker 1: she said she wouldn't do the Academy Awards if she
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  Speaker 1: was in a wheelchair. And it was chaotic, chaotic, as
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  Speaker 1: Boston Rob would say backstage, it was, and so they
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  Speaker 1: were like, you know, get in the wheelchair. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: get in the wheelchair. We're going. And so she was not
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  Speaker 1: only confused that she was in a wheelchair, but like
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  Speaker 1: also like this is like feeling just so overcome with
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  Speaker 1: anger that and then like just not understanding what was happening.
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  Speaker 1: She would the time was moved. So I just remember
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  Speaker 1: watching that and being like, oh my god, she's so
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  Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, but I do think that there
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  Speaker 1: is I have read that maybe there is a little
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  Speaker 1: dementia starting to creep in, but I I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that was then, But but after the fact, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, how dare they? How dare that stage manager
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  Speaker 1: whoever like puts her in a wheelchair? How dare you?
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  Speaker 3: I that makes me, I write, I did not I
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  Speaker 3: know hear that, And I was wondering, I mean we
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: all were wondering and concerned. Yeah, with her state of mind.
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  Speaker 3: More than physically because it's fine, like no shame think
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  Speaker 3: about it on a wheelchair.
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  Speaker 1: But she looking straight up at Lady Gaga who's talking
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  Speaker 1: like that's already weird because I don't know, like she's
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  Speaker 1: got physical issues. I don't know how hard that was
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  Speaker 1: for her to be like fully looking straight up at
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga like that on her neck and then like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be in a wheelchair. This is
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  Speaker 1: not even the space we rehearsed in, like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the hell like, and Lady Gaga is like
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  Speaker 1: bending down talking to her. I hated it.
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  Speaker 2: And then Lady Gaga comes out of that looking like.
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  Speaker 3: A hero, you know, like yes, you know, because she
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  Speaker 3: was like I got you or whatever. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're standing directly behind her. You're not doing her
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  Speaker 3: any favors, but you know, move to the side, do
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  Speaker 3: what you can do, because and it made it look
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  Speaker 3: like she was treating her with kid gloves because she
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  Speaker 3: was treating her like a senile old grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also in fairness to Lady Gaga, it's like
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  Speaker 1: she didn't ask for this either, but yeah, here we are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I know, I know. But also like if something
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  Speaker 3: went wrong backstage where they couldn't get some of the
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  Speaker 3: platform to move and they had to throw her in
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  Speaker 3: that wheelchair. I mean, that's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: different story. But I would have been interested to hear
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  Speaker 3: her speak to that, you know, current day.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't. That's why I kind of wonder if the
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  Speaker 1: dementia is a little creeped in here.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like it, I mean, because there would have
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  Speaker 3: been more yeah, allegedly, I mean, there would have been
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  Speaker 3: more questions. But you know, her her pizazz and her
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  Speaker 3: charisma for life and joy is just like it's unmatched.
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  Speaker 3: And when you see her in her home, I I
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: assume that's her home that they're shooting in, correct, Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, And I love how she just has her
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  Speaker 3: finger on the pulse of production and staging in everything
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  Speaker 3: at any point, you know, because from the jump when
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  Speaker 3: they're showing her.
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  Speaker 1: Now when she's using that iPad. Though the angles she
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  Speaker 1: used on the iPad not Vincent Minelli approved, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that when she wanted her she was like higher, higher,
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  Speaker 3: get up there. You know, she was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: telling them what shots to make. But the point is
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  Speaker 3: that she wants to be a part of this everything
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  Speaker 3: and wants to you know, be organizing from production to
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  Speaker 3: pointing out when they showed her a clip of her
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  Speaker 3: and k and being like, this was a smart thing
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  Speaker 3: to do to show me this, because you know, this
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  Speaker 3: will put me in a good This will put me
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  Speaker 3: in a good headspace. And it seemed like and she
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  Speaker 3: obviously said at the very beginning that she was nervous
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  Speaker 3: about doing.
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  Speaker 1: This, which is wild to think of her as getting
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  Speaker 1: nervous about anything, Like why would she ever be.
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  Speaker 3: Why would she be nervous about talking about her life?
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  Speaker 3: You know, if she was, why would she do it?
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  Speaker 3: And you have to wonder, I mean, obviously the people
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  Speaker 3: who produce this, she must have been friends with them,
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  Speaker 3: because yeah, she's loyal as hell, as we've seen throughout
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  Speaker 3: this entire documentary that she will do anything for a friend,
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  Speaker 3: so she must have been doing somewhat a favor.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I also think that, you know, even for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure you. I mean, I learned a lot
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  Speaker 1: from it, So I think there was a lot that
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  Speaker 1: even her friends were like, we really want to tell
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  Speaker 1: the story of you, because otherwise it's going to get
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  Speaker 1: lost to time. So we want we want to document
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  Speaker 1: you in some way, you know, so I could see
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  Speaker 1: her being like, that's important.
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  Speaker 3: That's important.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you're probably right about.
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  Speaker 1: That, and I will only do it with you guys,
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  Speaker 1: because you guys are the only ones I trust.
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  Speaker 3: They were the closest people to her. I mean to
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  Speaker 3: see all of the lineup of people that she had,
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  Speaker 3: from her sister Lorna Luft to me a pharaoh who
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea. They knew each other from a
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  Speaker 3: tiny little age of like kindergarten, and they yeah, in
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  Speaker 3: high school and they used to do shoots together, and
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  Speaker 3: that was amazing. I just had no clue that they
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  Speaker 3: were that close, did.
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  Speaker 1: You I I you know, I didn't know. I knew
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  Speaker 1: that Frank Sinatra paid for Judy Garland's funeral, and then
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I put it together that maybe that was connected to
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  Speaker 1: me a pharaoh, once I was watching this, and then
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  Speaker 1: I yeah, And it's funny. In my head, I always
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  Speaker 1: thought of Eliza and Frank Sinatra because of New York,
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  Speaker 1: New York, but I didn't realize that that actually probably
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  Speaker 1: really happened because like of Mia farrowh and that connection
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  Speaker 1: in the sixties, Like I wonder if they became much
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  Speaker 1: closer because of that, probably because Frank Sinatra and lizam
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  Speaker 1: and I I am saying.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right, because they're kids, and I mean yes allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were gonna say Mia Pharaoh's kids
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: with oh gosh, right, right right, allegedly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Speaking of New York, New York, I
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  Speaker 3: was really blown away by the story that I had
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  Speaker 3: never heard about the song that is attached to the
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  Speaker 3: movie that was starring Robert de Niro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Scorsese movie, which is when her and
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Scorsese had a fling. Yes, yeah, so New York, New York.
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  Speaker 3: The song New York, New York that John and Freddie wrote,
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  Speaker 3: John Candor and Freddy fred Ebbs, fred Ebb that they
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  Speaker 3: wrote and was it de Naro or Scorsese. That was like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't like it, write another Yeah, that's my part.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, how do you have that much power? But
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: so they went back to the drawing board angry as hell.
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  Speaker 3: Can't blame them, obviously, and wrote another song and that
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  Speaker 3: became obviously the iconic New York, New York song, which
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  Speaker 3: is the biggest hit of the entire world.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that either, and I now want to
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  Speaker 1: hear that original. It's the original has to be out
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  Speaker 1: there because they seem to really like it. It would
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to know, I a shually would it be
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I'm sure they're like, here's the original.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just for fun, they would have put it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe now they put it out there.
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  Speaker 3: But like when when songs are written for movies, you know,
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  Speaker 3: drafts or you know, things that don't see the light
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  Speaker 3: of day. They don't ever see the light of day
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  Speaker 3: because then they would have to pay for a whole
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: other separate song to be published and then it's all
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  Speaker 3: this money. So I have a feeling it hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: out unless they did it as a throwback. But like
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: for you know, it just goes to show Man. It's
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: when you challenge yourself creatively, even when you don't think
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you should be. Sometimes it can be the best possible
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: thing for you. And a lot of the time creative
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: people need a structure, or need a structure, or need
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: a push or some something to get the best squeeze out,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: the best jewel.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I remember it was Pharrell Williams that I know.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You're all waiting for my Farrell Williams story that I learned.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: You know that song happy, and it was in Yeah, okay,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just a lighthearted little story, but it
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and it's obviously not an icon as iconic or clearly
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: to New York, New York. But the point is he
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: was writing that song for whatever movie that was in,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: like a Minion's movie or something.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was, trolls, naturals.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Wait, what was No, I'm thinking that justin Timberlake one. Yeah,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you're right, natural.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: But because I know the whole catalog controls, so you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, okay, I'm a troll head.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But what was it? What was it?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Well, it was the movie that the Minions were in,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: but it's not called that. It's not called You're absolutely right,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: it's okay, we're gonna have to pause and look, all right,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: So what is it?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Emily Despicable of Me?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: So the song happy he did They had him do
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: twelve songs, twelve different songs for that movie to get happy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Twelve for Rall Williams.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, twelve, that was the twelve song.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And I'm always saying that because that's ludicrous, and yet
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: it isn't because look at what we got. Obviously, I'm
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: sure all the other songs were probably amazing too, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: that's definitely a bop. And anyway, my rant over I
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: have to say before we get even any further, is
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: to tell you that Ben rim Alauer, who is in
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: this documentary is my friend.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: He he runs the green Room forty two in New
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: York City.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: He's been and not only that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: You guys have seen him on the Real Housewives of
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: New York the old version. When he was he helped
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Luanne launch the first cabaret.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: That's so.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: He's been a director, a writer, like and he runs
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: studio Studio fifty four. He runs the green Room forty two,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: which I've done Cabarety at where I debuted Cabaremy. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: it was really because he reached out. We were like
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: messaging and he was like, what are you going to
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: do a show? And I was like, I've been thinking
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: about doing a show. He's like, come on. So then
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I reached back out to him, like probably a year later,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and I was like, I think I'm gonna do this
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: cabaret thing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: He's like let's do it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You know, he's always just so amazing and you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: he really fosters a lot of people in terms of
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: like encouraging them to do stuff. And he was so
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: amazing when I did my show there. So yeah, it's
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: really cool to see them.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so why don't we talk about so some of
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the let's talk about Kay Thompson. Okay, because I didn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: know about her. Did you know about Kay Thompson?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. I'm not as much as I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: wish I did. But you know, she she's like in
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of the MGM stories that I've heard, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you know, she was much older than Judy Garland in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: terms of like she meant like Judy Garland was at
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: MGM as like a teen and Kay was there her.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah right. And then it's crazy because she's chainsmoking in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this but she like lived into her nineties wow, which
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: is nuts. And also I was like, oh, she picked
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: out the white coffin for Judy, which I didn't realize
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that And now I'm like, is that the same cop?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Because you know, Judy was moved in twenty seventeen from
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: New York.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: To LA I didn't know that Liza.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And Laurna and Joe. I was wondering where Joe was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the son her brother e Liza's brother. But yeah, they
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: moved Judy from Ferncliffe in New York to Hollywood Forever
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to the Judy Garland Pavilion in twenty seventeen. I was like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I wonder that's the same coffin so that they can
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all be around her in the same mausoleum, because there
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was no space where she was put in nineteen sixty
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: nine to be buried near her, and they all want
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to be buried near her. So there's all this deal making,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and Hollywood Forever I think made the.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Deal, won the deal over what's on borrom over there?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: The other what's the other cemetery?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Forest Lawn, Burbank, Forest Lawn, Glendale, which is where Vincent
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Manili is Worstlawn Glendale. Really, I know where all the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: bloodies are buried.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah you do, baby.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I loved hearing the story about how Kay stepped in
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: after Judy Garland's death and was like, we're MGM people,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: like we want a white coffin and they're like, we
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: don't have those.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: She's like, we're MGM people. Paint and white, you.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Know, and then they were like, I was so good.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That was delightful there about it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she deserves her own story, I.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Mean, just really does.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: It sounds like she and you hate to hear the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: stories about people, and there's so many the real talent
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: that never really got to shine as bright as they
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: deserve to, you know.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I fart. My heart kind of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: gets sad for that. But then at the same time,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that's business, baby, yeah, because it's like she was an
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: incredible author in terms of a success story.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: So she wrote Eloise, which I did not know either.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I did not know, and that that character, Eloise, is
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: based off of Liza.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: See. That's the other thing I had heard about her
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: is like this she was friends with Judy Garland and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that she was in their life a lot, and that
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: was the kind of crossover. But what I I when
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing her sad that about not being showcased as
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the star, I'm like, I bet there's a lot of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: children's authors out there that are like, uh, I don't
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: know where you're coming in with this Eloise and knocking
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: us all off the shelves, Like the fuck are you right?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: That's that's true, but that's not what she ultimately wanted
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: in the depths of her soul. You know, she wants
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to be on stage and recognize for her performance, not
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: necessarily the written word where she's not seen.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But how many authors are out there like wanting the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: depths of their souls to like be a.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Oscar winners, the Oscar winners, right, yeah, yeah, yes, I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: understand it was it was interesting to hear some of
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the talking heads be like, I had a lot of jealousy,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: you know, And.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: How about Judy that footage that I've seen that before,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but I hadn't seen it in a minute with Judy
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: on stage with Liza.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Her shoving that microphone up to her face was multiple
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: times about as tough as it gets.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And her face just changed. It got it, you know
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: when when Liza had her solo and then you see
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Judy and her face just shifts to like crazy, she
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: just went, it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Shifts to crazy. Yeah, yeah, I mean at that. And
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: then the other thing is it's like at that time
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: she was obviously she could not stop herself from the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: addiction that she was dealing with. That certainly is not
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: going to help.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And you know what Lisa said, there she is, just
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: like Dury said, a sudden there she is.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Now she comes, she comes here, she comes the real mother.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad I already forgot that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Well, it's amazing to me how Liza protects her mother
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to this day. And yeah, you know, she's just like
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: she like we were saying before, she says that her mom.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It's not because of her mom her struggles, and you mentioned, well, yeah,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I mean part of it is obviously, if it's an addiction,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it could be genetic and those types of things. But
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I think her obvious point is, you know, she had sworn.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: To not do drugs.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was like her thing obviously, much like
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you don't want to follow in the same path as
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: what you've seen your parents do wrong.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You want to change the cycle.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And she swore she wouldn't do drugs, and yet she,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: you know, accidentally fell fell into it. And it was
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: like she really softens the story by saying, you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I'm nervous, I'm on stage and somebody says, we'll have
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: a drink. It'll make you feel better. Okay, I'll have
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a rum and coke. I'll have a rum and coke,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and she calls them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Silly drinks and just and I had these silly drinks.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: And then the valume obviously, so it it's but I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: don't know what else, and I don't I don't need
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: to know what else. All I know is she's a survivor,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: you know, and.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: With a lot of poise.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, like I mean, god, bless if I I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: don't the energy that she needed to do one of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: her performances. I don't know how she could, even the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: day before take it down like a barbituate or something,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I'm like, God, your system,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: how did it overcome that that quickly? Well?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Then I mean how did Judy Garland do it too?
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I mean it is in the genes many just like
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: it's crazy because you know, I don't I don't know
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: the scientific aspect of it. But when Liza's on stage
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and she's performing, you know, from her soul, because that's
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: what it is. And same with Judy. But like you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: they are not just coming out and ever, you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: phoning it in. It is like a performance of a lifetime.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: You'd think that that was like their last performance ever.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And she ends she's leaving the stage like a fighter,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, like towel over her head like she
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: just fought.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Mm hm.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: And I wonder if some of it is like with
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: the with the sweating, if it is like sweating out
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: those barbituates, sweating out some of that, if that's why,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you know, Halstein was like, well, since you sweat so
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: much on stage, we're gonna make sequence. I wonder if
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: that had something to do with it, with the amount
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: of drugs and alcohol in her system that she just
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: sweats profusely when she performs.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean also like a chainsmoker. I mean, I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: watching all of this and then watching her do a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: workout on a level that I've never seen, and I'm like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: how did you do this? How did you? Like? How
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: did like? I then I think, like, what if you
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: had never done one drug or smoked one cigarette?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Like like not as good forever?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Oh as I'm joking, But she was constantly out of breath,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you know, like all the footage of her just like
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: lying on the floor just you know, everything.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Even when she was at like a Halston fitting, she'd be.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Like boom ba ba chim boo.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's always just like that classic sweaty hair.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Just just off the stage.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Look, it's incredible and and not for nothing, but she
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: had a lineup of lovers like we've never seen and
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that was great. That was great to really hear some
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: of the uh, the folks that that came and went.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: And of course she had so many you know marriages.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she with her and Ben Vereen like in
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: terms of it being like serious, serious, I know that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I've seen that picture. Yeah, I didn't know.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: When he said when he was looking at the footage.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: They were so smart to show footage to to the
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: all these people. But when he was looking at them
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: and hugging and stuff on that photo shoot, and he
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: was like just choking up and being and he said,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I guess you call it love. I love Liza, That's
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: my baby. And I just like got so choked up.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was so beautiful because you know
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: so many of these people and you've got Peter Allen
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: was her first husband, and he she said, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: he needed to come out of the closet or somebody
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: said that he had an incident that happened and then
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: they obviously.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: He was gay.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, just being yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: You know, trying to trying to be eloquent about it,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: and you know.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: He was gay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: He was gay mother, just like Vincent Minellie and probably
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: David Guest allegedly.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And you know, I mean it's.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: That David Guest thing was a tough one because that
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: must have been at a real, as everybody said, a
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: real downtime in her life, and he just took her
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: for everything, right, he just Oh that was a rough
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I remember that. It was so confusing. It's in the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: category of Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley, like I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: just didn't understand or like Liz Taylor and that guy
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Larry like I I mean, like I so, I just
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like but they but he just seemed David Guests just
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: seemed evil.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: He was he was a thief and he really took
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: advantage of her.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted them to go in. I was like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: come on, dental couple, to give us the dirt. Like
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you know, they were like that couple that was their friend.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: They probably saw some.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Shit Alan and like Aleen or whatever.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta look it up doctor Lazare. I looked at
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: his he died, Oh he did.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: He was They were sweet. That was a really nice
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: couple that they were such good friends. They just like
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: met at a party and they were like friends for life.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So I like read his obituary. Yeah, and it's the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: first line is was misdiagnosed with cancer. I was like, whoa,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: this is this? Like so it like sounds like some
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: shit went down before he died. That's his first line
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is like some motherfucker misdiagnosed him. Like that's and he's yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: but you know he did he invented plaques. Like they
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: glossed over that because its not really about Liza. But
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: he invented the mouthwash plaques.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: No way, No, I didn't know that. It's amazing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah yet your plax mother.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised she didn't do like a commercial for that,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: since she.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Loved him so much. I mean, I wonder too if
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they like were they didn't need money, they didn't need
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Liza for anything but to be friends. So of course
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she appreciated.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: That absolutely, and and and why would they ask for that?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: They would never that. They aren't those kinds of people.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: We know them salts of the earth. You know. Yeah,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: let's this is a good time for a very quick break. Okay,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we are back. Oh, Emily was going to grab a
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: water and then she was like.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, oh, I was turning my alarm off.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, we're back on Liza. Truly terrific, absolutely true story,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: available on many different platforms to watch. And it was
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: so good And have we if you're watching my alarm
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: tried to grab a sip of water and she's not
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: allowed act like Liza okay, And it.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Was so good.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: And my friend Ben Rimmelauer is interviewing in it looking fabulous,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and some of my favorite lines from this that she said, Okay,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: so when she was being interviewed in present day, she
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: was like, I.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Wish I had a light in my fate, you know.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: So she just like really wanted to be lit up.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And I just thought, Wow, that is such a performer,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you know, that is such a stage performer. She doesn't
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: feel like anything is even worth doing unless there's a
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: spotlight blinding her to the heavens.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: You know you're gonna if you're gonna do it, do
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it like a pro. Yeah, I mean, what's the point
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: otherwise point?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: What's the point?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And then I loved when she was talking about Ka
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and how she really took her under her wing and
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: she gives everybody credit for her career by the way,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: which we'll get to, but every she's always like, I
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: surrounded myself with great people and that's why I am
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: who I am. It's not even me, it's everybody else.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: But she talked about Ka and when they be backstage,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: she like, she slapped me on the bottom and said
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: go and I just love that, and I just I
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: love that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: She loved that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: She certainly got a maternal caring from Kay after her
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: mother died, because Kay really stepped in after her mother died.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Well even before. I think Kay was pretty present. When
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: she was not present, you're right, They're right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: She was, you're right, that's true, that's right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: And then okay, so then she was talking about something
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: in present day and she said, oh, yeah, I remember
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: when I did this song. And then she said, you
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: know when I did this, I want a natural oh
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: cut and go to the clip, and then they did
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: that because she's producing right there from her chair, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: then they caught and they go to her to the
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: clip of her singing I want a natural man, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: they come back and she's.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Like, I want a natural man, and.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: She finishes it up and it's amazing. And another thing
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: that she said which I have loved is you know
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: when they I think they asked her about her love
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: life or something of that, and she was like, well.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I feel wonderful about love, you.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Know, just point blank.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Just it. Okay.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: So when her mother died, you know, seeing Judy Garland's
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand lineup at her funeral was absolutely incredible. You
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: just aren't going to see that anymore. That's just never
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: gonna happen.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I think it could if there was, Like I think
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it kind of differ Princess Diana. I mean, it does happen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, Princess Diana probably like Michael Jackson. I mean, like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: so who did what would be the most thing?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It didn't really happen for him.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Not for him. It's got to be somebody that like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: first of all, a central they've got to be in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a major city, and they've got to be it's got
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to be a shocker. I think you have to have
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: those two elements. I mean they have to be either
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: very young and unexpected or you know, like, but it
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: does happen, it's weird when it when it does happen
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in every like I don't know, it's weird, but there
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: are just some people that it will happen with.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: It's a phenomenon and it's very unusual. And just to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: see that just blew my mind because I just I
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: haven't seen anything like that in present day when I've
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: been around personally Princess Diana. But I wasn't really where
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: were you really? I wasn't. I mean, I guess in
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: my adult years, you know what I mean, like within
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: the last twenty years.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And if you say Princess Diana one more time, ok.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I would also argue that it does
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: happen when a president dies, even if they were old,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: like Jimmy Carter. So many people rolled out in Georgia
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and rolled out, rolled out, Yeah, like you know, like
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why or when it
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: will happen, but it does.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, it does, and it will it'll happen.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: For But Judy had a good turnout. Let's talk about that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Bob Fosse. Let's talk about Bob Fosse. This guy what
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: a fucking whack job, but what a genius, you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, this guy was such a mess and so,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: you know, just such a product of that time, much
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: like Halston. I mean, you put a gaggle of these
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: people together during that time and then poof, you've got
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: that era of absolute you know, debauchery and drugs and
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: brilliant creativity. And it's it's amazing to me how she
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: it was very clear how she handled him and and
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: with you know, the way that she knew the business
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: to be. Obviously, he's completely hot hot headed. He was
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the one example, and one of I'm sure a million
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that we got was that he wanted to talk to
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: her after a day of shooting the movie Cabaret, right
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: and he was She knew he was unhappy, and she said,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going into your office. No, And
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: he was like, I want to talk to you right now.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: She was like, no, tomorrow, and he was like right now.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: She's like, Bob, if I go in there, you're gonna
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: see a ton of horrible things to me. And then
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: in the morning, you're gonna send me flowers tomorrow, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: And like she just did that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I say that to you all the time. I'm like, Amy,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit down with you right now, you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and Deanna too, and Jamie, you send us all flowers
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and we're like, we're done with it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I'm glad because you'dake my flower budget is really like
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: it's expired.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: So thank you for pulling back, thank you for putting
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: me in my place.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: No problem.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: What do you think of bab Babby Fossy, Well, I mean.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: He's a volatile, hot tempered person, much like her mother.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So I think she had the tools to deal with
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that situation. And I also wondered too, I was like, Wow,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Halston Fosse. In my mind, these guys would I would
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: have thought would be the first ones to write her
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: off because of like, oh, she's just Judy Garland's kid.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile they gave her a fair shot and then
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: really liked her.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: So that's really interesting.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: So when she talks about like she had to reinvent
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: herself essentially, you know, and it is the smartest thing
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: you really did see. I mean, I hate to say it,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: but you saw branding at work at this time when
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: branding didn't exist. It really took an incredible creative team
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: to do what they did her and to give her
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the opportunity and obviously she had the talent and skills
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: to do it, and the uniqueness to pull it off
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: and all those things that went along with it. So
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they saw, you know, potential in here in her. But
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: it was interesting to see how Kay Thompson really was like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: let's figure out what you're gonna wear, what you're gonna do.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I'll introduce you to Holston. Then hooking up with Fred
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Ebb and John Candor and all the work that they
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: allowed her to do because hanging out and she's like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: give me a song to sing, and they just absolutely
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: loved her to death and it just it blossomed her career.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Cabaret movie is really what made her
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: take off and what launched her to.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Stardom.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, nothing else to say on that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: except for I wish they would have gone into her haircut,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: because I mean, I know that she talks about like
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: how her dad showed her pictures of like Louis Silence
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and stuff. But I was like, that's that's not like
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: because I've heard two different stories about her haircut, Okay.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: One is that she got gum in her hair and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Mia Farrow and Peter cut it out and that was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: like her haircut. Peter Sellerman, No, No, that, oh god,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: how about that?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? That was no idea.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Peter Allen, her first husband. Oh okay, so
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I've heard that, and then the other but I and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: then the other thing I heard is that like Vincent
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Minnelli suggested it a haircut, which kind of I was like, oh,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit. But the mea Pharaoh bubble gum
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: thing has been I just wanted either because it's still
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: not to I've heard that from good sources. I don't know.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I needed to know that haircuts.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I I'm going to ask Ben about that. Yeah, ask Ben,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: because it did make sense that, you know, and she
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: was starting to you know, go upwards in her career,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and she was making this move to you know, reinvent herself,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: and she was saying to her dad, Daddy, do I
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: have to dye my hair blunt and pluck my eyebrows out?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: And then he gave her, you know, the advice like, no,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: there's a way to do it. Look at these silent
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: you know, silent movie actress and who you already named them,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Louise Brooks, Louise Brooks.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Louise Brooks, and I don't remember well.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Lisa or oh, I can't remember her name. It's written
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: down here somewhere, but you know, there was a way
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to do it, and that's what made her so unique,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: which was incredible. So Fred Ebb and John Candor they
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: wrote this after Cabaret, which she won an Oscar for.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Then we we find out that they wrote Liza with
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: a Z and she performed this unbelievable stage show which
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: was filmed and it was a one night only thing,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: and then from that she got an Emmy. Right, wasn't
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: it an Emmy that she got from that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: From the from the first live, first concert on television. Yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that whole production blew my mind because I
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: didn't realize, you know, the birth of that and how
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: important that was in her career and very smart to
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: do after having a film and getting an Oscar and
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: then going back and doing something like a live performance
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: of all this original stuff.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It seems smart now, but I was thinking how risky
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: that was back then when television was not taken seriously
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: compared to being in the seventies, like the Sunday Night
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Movie or whatever the tea made for TV movies and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: like there wasn't concerts, but like it was kind of
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: looked down on, and so I thought, like, wow, you
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: just made your movie and now you're going to like
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that the small screen that must have been screen, right,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a thing like I want I er if she kind
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: of got knocked a little bit at first when people
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: heard about that, because now it makes perfect sense it wouldn't.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't think anything of it. But back then I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: could see people like judging her before they saw it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: It was a risky move.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it was, and especially then when television
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: did not film well I mean, yeah, footage, and you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: it's horrible to watch something that's on stage anything other
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: than being live. It's really rough. Yeah, so you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: it just goes to show what an unbelievable performance it
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: must have been.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hats off to Fred Ebb who directed it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I mean really, because that's where the magic if you're
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: going to be at home, Yeah, you know, watching it
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like how he thought that this should look? And I mean,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I guess he's just like filming it? Was it live?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Well, the performance was live, so it was filmed live.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: It was one night only, so yeah, and and every
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: they were saying everybody was so nervous, so it's not
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: like they did. You know, when you do a stand
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: up to her live. You're filming in a couple different
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: locations or a couple different nights in a row, so
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: you can kind of splice together stuff. But that was
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: not the case in this situation. I do not believe.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: It seemed like it was just a one night, one take.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess I was wondering because some of the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: shots are so close up, so they would have to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: be the camera guys would have to be on stage
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: blocking the action from the audience. Yeah, which is fine
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: if you are that's what you're doing. I just didn't
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: know like how they did that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Halston gave her this red sequin look which we all
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: know her to be, which is obviously incredible. And then
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Chicago when Gwen Vernon had to take time off, and then,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: of course we know that obviously her very good for
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: friends Fred and John wrote Chicago, and she was like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I'll do it, I'll step in for her, and she
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: did it as a favor and the show, Yeah, she.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Just jumped in and off it and learned it in
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a way to promote it. Yeah, don't promote it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Don't say anything about me being in it. And then
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I loved I don't know if it was Ben that
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: said this or whomever it was, explained that like in
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the theater and they'd be like, we're sorry tonight's performance,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: you know, well, we'll be without Gwen Verdon and then
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the audience was like no, and they're like, instead we
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: played by e Liza Minelli and like.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Losing their minds.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was very cool.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: It was so neat.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: And then oh I loved Darren Chris the actor and
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: performer and musician really yeah, he I love that he
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: had this amazing night with with Liza and this had
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: to have been within like the last like five years obviously, right,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: had to have been correct ten years or something like that,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: and that at the end of the night, like they
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: were all singing and stuff. And then at the end
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: of the night she kind of got everybody together and
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: she was like.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: This is the gang. Now, this is the gang.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I just was like, oh my god, you just you
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: just can feel that that energy that she would say
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: something like that, and what an amazing I like that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: He's like, she probably says this a lot, yeah, because
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would be like, Oh, well that's cool.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh she says that every night.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, But she means it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: But she means it, and that's the difference whether she
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: sees them ever again, she means it from the bottom
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: of her little, her little Liza's soul. I loved also
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: hearing about her makeup artist, Christina, who she always used. Again, loyalty,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: loyalty with this.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So we got the backstory on the lashes with that,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: which I really was like, thank you. What about the
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: hair so like, because Liza's look is so iconic. We
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: got everything, yeah, but not the hair.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Well, we did get the hair. We did get version
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: of the hair, but you just don't believe it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: But that was well, that was just for Cabaret because
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: her haircut. She already had her haircut, she already had
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: she already.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I see what you mean.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: So so her Vincent Minelli was just like, you don't
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: have to like dye your hair blonde or whatever. You
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: can also go for these looks.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I didn't realize he was speaking to
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: her doing cabaret.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes more sense.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I got that mixed up, okay, right, okay, So then
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: the lashes, yes, amazing.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so and that she handmade them, and then Liza
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: got her in the union because the women weren't in
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the union.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: The women were not in the union. Makeup artists were
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: not in the union. They didn't allow them in there,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: and e Liza pushed and then she was in. She
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: fought for her incredible And then a time when Christina
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: was sick and in the hospital.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: What did Liza do.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Sammy Davis? Could you do me a favor? Could you
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: come and dance for my friend Christina? She's in the hospital,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: she's not feeling good.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, she got Sammy Davis to come over to
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: the hospital and tap dance for in her room.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I love it. Little soft shoe, Little Sammy soft Shoe.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: And the fact that he did that for her just
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: goes to show you know how much people loved Liza.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, she must have caught Sammy Davis Junior on
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a I mean, not that Sammy Davis Junior. She caught
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: him on a good day in terms of him being
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: willing to do that. I wonder what she was.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: He was probably in the room two doors down. He
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: was probably in the hospital.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Too, maybe because he was not. I mean, she was
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: like iconically a great guy, but he also wasn't running
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: around and ready to do shit like that either, he was.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was surprised. Wow, Okay, the she had
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: three miscarriages, which was very you know, sad to hear. Obviously,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: she desperately wanted a family. We saw that in the interviews,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: and you know, she had a family through all the
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: children that were in her life, through her friends and
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: dear friends, and was an incredible you know woman and
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: like I don't know, godmother too many children.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was busy, okay, simplessed. I wonder why she never,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: like if she really wanted kids. So I was confused
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: why she didn't decide to adopt.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people you know, do that where
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: they it's just not they want to have their her
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: own child, and they just.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get, I mean, I get that. I guess
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I just think, like I was just because I remember
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: reading something a while ago where she had thought about adopting.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: It was like in a People magazine, but then she
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: just never did. So I was just like, I wonder
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: what happened with that.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe she was just too heartbroken at that point and
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: just felt like she couldn't do it, you know. And
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: it's also so interesting because you know now for women,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: it's a lot more accessible to freeze your eggs and
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: with IVF and all that stuff, you can do this
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: type of thing, and that just wasn't available to her
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: because she probably would have done that. She probably would
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: have just done IVF and had a surrogate and done
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: all that stuff.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, you know.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: And the other thing.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: When she did go to rehab the first time around,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: it was for alcohol and volume, and she says in
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of these interviews that she was glad she
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: went through it so she could prepare for the rest
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: of her life, you know how difficult it would.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Be, and it was.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: It was very interesting to hear be honest about it,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: like she's like, I didn't feel like I had a
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: drug problem, but I started to feel a little bit
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: weird inside.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I never fell down.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I never missed work, and but you know your show,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: you're probably showing up for work and people are maybe noticing,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: like what's happening. But it was never her intention, obviously,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: but her not hiding it from the public, like we
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: had mentioned before, was really brave and extremely honest, and
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I really appreciated hearing that again. And I wonder what
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: her journey has been with that because obviously she's not
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: gonna we're not going to know maybe every single time
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: she goes into rehab or she was in rehab ten
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: years ago, so yeah, it was twenty fifteen. Yeah, she
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: was in rehab in twenty fifteen. Yeah, And wasn't that
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: kind of around the David Guest era No no, no, no, David,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: he was like two thousand and nine.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like twenty ten.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean she you know, who knows, but
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: like she we knew about that, but we only knew
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: about that because like it leaked, So maybe there's been
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: other times that didn't. But like, good for her, and
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: who gives a shit in terms of like just do it?
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Who cares? She doesn't. I mean she, I know, she
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: cares about what people think, but like good for her
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: for not caring that we will think less of her.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I certainly don't, I think.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: A loosely not. I mean, yeah, it's commendable. I mean
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: you just you look at her life, and you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: when you look at like the whole Studio fifty four thing,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: that just looks like horrific to me.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I just would not want to have to al my.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Going to do with that I would never want to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: go there.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know where you were going to go
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: with that. I was gonna say, I wouldn't think you would,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: but then I wasn't sure when you were like, oh
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: my god, I thought you're gonna be like, oh my god.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I would love to live during that era.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to live during that era.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But I would also like to be asleep by ten
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: pm in that era, because I would be I would
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: have not been able to sustain that. I don't think
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: it was it also just like.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: It looks so disgusting.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: It's not it does not look fun. It looks like
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: all the things I avoid.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I know, it's so romanticized, and so I don't know.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people that think they
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: would want to be a part of that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, just not drone drone shots of it being
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: filmed on a back lot in some nostalgic way, that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: all I want. And then old GREENNY film of it,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: that's all I want. I just want to see that,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and I want to see the faces of the people
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: that are in there. That's it. I never want to
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: be there, never.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I also did not realize that Jack Haley Junior was
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: the son of the tin man Jack Hayley Jack Haley what, yes,
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: well Jack's.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Dad j that's yeah, and his dad's Jack Haley. Yeah.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't know, but I didn't know. I didn't I
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: never had Jack Haley's name in my brain and I
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: never knew that she was with Jack Haley Junior.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Was it in your heart? Oh?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Baby?
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Wow, the first DJ airhorn we've done during this whole thing.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: And then also, uh engaged to Daisi Arnez.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Didn't know that?
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, was Arnez Junior. I didn't even look that up.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I meant to look that up.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: How could it have been?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Wait?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Oh god, no, Look I wrote down the information, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: I wrote down Junior for Jack Haley. I didn't write
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: down Junior for Dozi.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Rnz Deisi Arnez.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And lies and oh it was Daisi Arnez Junior. You
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: know your shit, don't you.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: When she said that, I was like, if there's no
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: way it wasn't Junior. And then I was like, wait,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: what if it wasn't.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what am I thinking? Yeah?
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I was thinking.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that crazy. She was with Peter
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Sellers and a bunch of like people.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, seriously, yeah, Desi Ernez Junior, Okay,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: and then yeah, Peter Seller slew my mind.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was nice. That was nice to see. I
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: love that for her. I was excited.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I always had a crush on him because I was, yeah,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I was doing ballet when I was young, and you know,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: he was just like such an icon And okay, well
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: that was great. Is there anything that we haven't covered
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: from just this documentary? I mean I'm not talking about
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: her entire life or Judy Garland's life, were just covering this.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I thought I thought that the psychiatrists or psychologists, the
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: doctor Ann Pelag, Ryan Greena or whatever that was. I
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: thought it was unnecessary. She said nothing. She was just
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like when you were born of people that are stars
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: that have drug problems. I was like, why are we
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: wasting our time with this? Tell me about ben verion lies?
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Like I wanted more juice. I didn't need like something
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: of no consequence coming from this. I know this doctor like,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: can we move on? Yeah?
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I think they wanted to probably cover you know, have
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: a nice assortment of talking heads to speak on these things.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: But I completely agree with you.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: It took away from the closeness and the intimacy of
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: this documentary because there were so many people that were
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: actually in her life that know her and have known
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: her this whole time, and then you had this person
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: who was speaking very clinically and sterily about a person.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Broadly and so broadly like I could have given that analysis.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Like I just was like, what is this? You know
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: what I mean? It was just like so basic basic.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: She did that doctor did a fine job, she looked great.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not It's not about her. It was just about
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: that choice.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just was like, what is this?
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: What as it?
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Why? Why are we talking about this? Why aren't we
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: talking about those four Warhols on the wall?
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, I do want to talk about that. That was amazing.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: We landed on that shot for such a long time.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Vincent.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a Vincent Eliza, Eliza and Judy right.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Vincent Eliza Eliza Judy.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Wows were amazing. And I was like, did David guests
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: take those? And then she get those back? Because remember
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: they said that he took everything out of her place anyway,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I am. I had a question.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of questions. But that looks like they're back. Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, who dusts those? Like who who is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: allowed to even touch those? And I'm thinking Liza has
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: to be touched.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: She's like, I'm just gonna get a little bit up here,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: give me my swiffer.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: You know, because like who can you trust?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Liza cannot be touching those, She's gonna fall into them.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: She cannot do that. I know. Maybe Darren Chris can
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: handle it, but well, we'll figure it out. But Liza,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: you just stay there and try to call me on
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: the iPad.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: On the iPad, Lorna Luft looks great, you know.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, I was like, where's Joe Luft, like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the brother.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see here, Joey Luft.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: He's seventy years old.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he's around.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's around. Wonder why.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. And he's like, they're like all friendly.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I thought, so ask your guy about that, Okay, yeah,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: because I tried to. I that was actually one of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the first things I googled when this was done, because
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, they're actually all friendly, Like where
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: was he?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: He might be one of those people that like, oh no,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: he is an actor and a singer. I was gonna say,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: maybe he just likes to not be in the limelight
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: and let you.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, weird.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe he has some problems.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: And then Christina Manelli, Vincent's other daughter, thought, but maybe
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: it was just like we're just gonna have one sibling.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was it, but who knows.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: All right, well, that's that's all we have time for
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: what a spectacular could could learn about her all day,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: all night, and with Emily, with your knowledge of you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Hollywood's Yesteryear, you know it, just it really it spanned
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: such a large amount of film and actor.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Sixty percent of what I said isn't right. It's not correct,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: it's not factual. Please google everything I've said, double check.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if her mom is Judy Darling.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: And that's why I like, I love talking to you
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: about this stuff because you know so much, and I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: always want to do more of this kind of thing
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: with you because it's like you're such a wealth of knowledge. Anyway,
• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:21
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