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116. [Texas] Carla Walker · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this mess with the True Crump Podcast.
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I don't care, here's do say. He's Doe. Hi. All right,
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So we're back with the case out of Texas this week and we're gonna
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try to make it through this. But the baby's refusing to take a nap.
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So we've attempted to do this for the last three days. And we
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have three children, so they won't. They won't listen and get on this
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on the schedule we need them to do. So, they will not coordinate
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their naps. They will not No, well, they were coordinating their bedtimes.
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They were doing real good. And then the last three nights, well,
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the two go to bed, but the baby she's been wanting to stay
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up late. But she does sleep through the night, so I can't complain.
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Like once she goes once she goes down, like she's she's down.
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She sleeps in her bass in it until about six thirty seven, and then
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I usually just roll over and put her passy in and then she'll go back
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to sleep till eight eight thirty or so. But anyway, so that's what
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we're dealing with. We might have to bring the baby in here with us
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and that's the case. You might hear a baby in the background occasionally,
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but it's just is what it is in our state. If we want to
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record right now, Stu thinks we should just not record if you have to
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hear the baby in the background. He just thinks it's just the worst thing
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ever. But I didn't say that it is do I've told you. I
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said all the time, I'm like, well, just record if they hear
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the baby in the background. They hear the baby in the background occasionally,
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and you're like, well, I don't want to do that. That is
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not even it's true. And I said, well, we hear. We
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used to hear Jinx me out in the background all the time. Jangles is
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probably gonna start me out here in a minute. What's the differ between the
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baby? You act like it has to be it can trust me, if
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it's got to be perfect. We're never gonna get this done because it's just
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impossible. We just have too much going on. It's just too much.
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But we did get rid of the foster dogs. If you saw on Instagram
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or Facebook, they're not gone gone. So we only committed to there was
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a whole I think I explained it last episode. There was a whole emergency
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thing. They needed people to keep the dogs for one to two weeks.
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Well we could only do one to two weeks. We just don't have We
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have three small children, one being a newborn. We just don't have the
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time to put into a dog. And we've always had dogs. So it's
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not like we don't like dogs or anything. I wouldn't like a dog.
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It's just a bad time for us. So anyways, so I got the
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little black dog. Was great, and anyway, she's her name was Knuckles,
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but we renamed her Penny because Knuckles is a terrible name. But Edgar
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the dog, and we call him dog brown because our daughter calls him instead
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of calling him brown dog, she started calling him dog brown, so we
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started calling him dog brown. So dog Brown is. Once he started getting
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comfortable here, it was his personality came out. And his person is to
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dig all of our potted plants up and chew everything and chew on the furniture.
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And he just a high energy dog. He needs a high energy family
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anyway, So that's what Edgar needs, and we're not that family right now.
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The black dog Penny, she would have been more suited towards us.
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It just she needed a lot of work too, because she needs to be
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She looked like she might have been abused and stuff, so she needed someone
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else could spend a lot of time getting her out of her shell and stuff
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with it. She was in heat. Oh yeah, So Mike gave us
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a two unfixed dogs, one in heat. Yes, and I think I
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think I mentioned that last week. So we so the the black dog dog
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Black, she was in heat and it was quite obvious. Well the first
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week Edgar, he's a puppy, so he didn't really he's about a year
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old. He didn't understand the whole thing of how the birds and bees worked.
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I guess because he wasn't interested at all. Oh, missus Robinson taught
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him though. Yes, she was presenting herself to him quite often. So
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about a week into this and I told the people at the shelter, I
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said, I said, he's not fixed. I don't believe and she is
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definitely in heat. And I told him this. I told him a couple
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of times. But I guess they were just so overwhelmed with the amount of
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dogs they were dealing with that they couldn't really do anything about it. So
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we started trying, so then they started trying to mate, so we started
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trying to keep them separate, which added a whole other level of stress because
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now we can't just let him both out to go potty or whatever. And
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then when he did let him go out potty, the black dog would just
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stand next to the cage of the brown dog trying to get him to I
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guess, break out of jail to impregnate her. And then whenever brown dog
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was out dog Brown would just stand next to the black dog's kennel and wait
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for her to come out, thinking she was going to come out of there
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after he figured out how his penis worked. So we're dealing with this on
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top of it. So then I take the dogs in and we load up
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the dogs. I'm like finally, and they started trying to get all Stu
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was like, you think they're gonna try to like get with each other in
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the back of the car, and I was like no, I was like,
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they're gonna be two nervous No, they started. I was like I
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started scrimming, like no, Well, anyways, we get there or I
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get there. I'm pulling into the place to drop the dogs off because they're
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going to get fixed, and then we leave them cause they're you know,
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we couldn't keep it more than the two weeks. They were gonna go to
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a different foster family. Anyways, as I'm pulling to that, I hear,
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I hear like waterfalls, it's this fucker, this Dog Brown. As
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one less send off to me, this fucker it keep fine. He has
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He has torn up multiple of our potted plants. He was chewing up this,
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uh this outdoor furniture, which think God only paid twenty five dollars for.
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So it wasn't as like traumatic or whatever. But he's been a bit
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of a pill. He peas in the back of my car like full on,
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like hydrant, just squats down and just bosh. And I'm just like
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I can't even I'm like, are you kidding me right now? So I
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texted him like that dog the fucker just so I'm trying to be all calm
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when I go in and everything that, but I'm just I don't even know.
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At this point, I'm so frustrated with dog Brown that I just it's
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I just had to laugh about it and just be like, this is just
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another story in the In the Saga of Dog Brown, sometimes I take him
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and drop him off and they're like, oh, she's definitely pregnant. I'm
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like, I'm like trying to explain, like it's my fault or something.
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I'm like, wait, I told you guys. But then I started thinking
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about it. She had to have been pregnant before, because there's no way
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she could be pregnant, like far enough along for them to be able to
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tell just by looking at her, because he really only discovered how to hump
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her about a week before, about a week before, and I don't even
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know if he was doing it right because still explained to me how dog's mating.
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That's not what they were. They were not stuck together. That's gross.
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I didn't know that, but apparently they stick together when they're mating,
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and he was just kind of air humping. But and we did try to
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keep them separated, but again it's there's only like one time he did get
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somehow get out of his kennelding out there together. But anyways, the saga
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of the dog the foster dogs is over. They are now with the new
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They just got fixed on Friday and they're going with a new foster family until
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they can be the baby's in here with us. Now she wasn't having it,
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so Stu's holding the baby. Anyways, I was just trying to get
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through the intro part. But so yeah, that's the update on that.
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all right, well, I guess without we're gonna go see if the baby
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wants to go lay down. If not, she's gonna be in here with
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us, and we'll be right back. All right, the baby's in here
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with this again. It's not that what she what's the problem is is that
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she needs to go. She needs to take a nap, and she's just
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not wanting to or whatever, but she does need to sleep. But I
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think now we got her in there, her little I need to take a
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nap, but you won't let me. I know you won't let you do
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it. And I just want to say that the dog beed in the car.
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But the dog had two opportunities, long opportunities to go to the bathroom
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before he got in the car. You think people are judging, Yes,
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I think people like, well, why didn't you let the dog go to
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the bathroom. We did let the dog go the bathroom. The problem is
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the dog stood by Dog Black's cage, I guess the whole time. But
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the problem is we can't just be out there for him with him for thirty
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or forty minutes to monitor his bathroom usage. We can only let him out
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in the backyard. He goes, we expect him to go take care of
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his business and then come again. And twice he got to do that before
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he got in the car. And yet, I mean, dog Black didn't
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be in the car. She was. She took care of her. Yeah,
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I mean, she's trying to put it out there, but she's responsible
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at least with her hygiene. Yeah, a family, So all right,
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Brown evidently doesn't know what her family is anyways. All right, let's get
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to our case this week in Texas. The baby is in here with us,
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so you might hear her a little bit, despite let's do doesn't want
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to happen. So Carla jan Walker was born January thirty first, nineteen fifty
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seven, in Fort Worth, Texas. To Leyton and Doris Walker. Now
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Carla was one of eight children and she had so she had three brothers and
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four sisters. I mean huge family. Now, one of which died at
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before this, that she reached the age of two. I don't know how
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she died or anything at that, but died at a young age. Carla
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attended Western Hills High School in ben Brook, Texas, where she was on
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the cheerleading squad. And ben Brook is just outside of Fort Worth if you're
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heading out further west. Ben brooks a little town outside of Fort Worth.
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So she was dating the quarterback and captain of the football team, Rodney McCoy.
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Now their late relationship had been going on for about a year. We
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were kind of like that all American couple that everyone knew at school. I
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mean, we got captain of the football team, we got cheerleader. I
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mean, they make movies about this. Taylor Swift's seen songs about this.
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And they seemed to be very much in love. They were very involved with
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school activities and were all around just good kids. On February seventeenth, nineteen
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seventy four, seventeen year old Carla was headed to the Valentine School dance with
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her boyfriend, Rodney. Carla loved school dances and her and Rodney would never
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miss one, contrary to Stu, who would try to miss all of them.
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I know, I went to one prom one time, and it wasn't
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even my prom, and I wasn't a senior and I wasn't at my school.
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And then I was like, I'm good. You know who'd you go
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with? Should I be jealous? Yeah? It was something that happened four
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hundred years ago, sure. Anyway, So Rodney was excited to take Carla
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to the dance and he had big plans for that evening, not what Stuck
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would have. He's more of an innocent guy. Stu was more of a
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Do you think I think he was an innocent fellow. I think I don't
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know, probably not, but he had had he was had some pure intentions.
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Well, he had bought Carla a promise ring and he was going to
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give it to her that night. After the dance, the couple headed over
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to Brunswick Ridge ridgely a Bowl, which was a bowling alley just outside of
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Fort Worth. And this is about one am. Carla headed to the bowling
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alley to use the bathroom and then she came back out to the car.
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Rodney and Carla started necking, making out for those of you that don't know
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what necking is, when suddenly the passenger side door was thrown open and Carla
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was being dragged out of the big Yeah. I don't know. Whenever I
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was at age, there's no way my parents would have let me stay out
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till one am. Also, I don't think the bowling alley was open at
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one am either, But I don't know. Well, you were in Lufkin
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soon. This is out in the country. Oh, they were out.
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They weren't fort Worth areas that things were a little more advanced, a little
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more progressive over there. Rodney dangerous apparently. Evidently. Now Rodney's seeing that
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the man taking Carla, Seeing that there's a man taking Carlo away, he
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tries to grab her and he tries to stop him. That's when the man
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pulls out a gun, points it at Rodney without any warning. The man
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pulls the trigger, pulls it three times, but the gun does not go
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off, and he's pointed out Ridney's head. So Rodney's like, oh shit,
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this guy's trying to kill me. Yeah, with no warning, like
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let her go or I'll kill you or anything. He just whips it up
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like trying to shoot him. Now, after the gun fails go off,
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the attacker begins to beat Rodney about the head with the butt of the gun.
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He just starts pistol whipping him like hard. Evidently now he continues to
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beat Rodney until Carla tells him to just stop hitting Rodney and she'll go with
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him willingly, because it seemed that Carla knew the man wanted her and this
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this wasn't a robbery and the only thing she could do to keep Rodney from
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probably just getting bludge into death with this peal. Well, she'd seen him
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try to shoot him three times and it falled, so she knew he wasn't
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going to stop until he had gotten Carla, and that was Rodney dead.
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Yeah, and he was just going to keep beating Rydney till like quit moving
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or he died. So Rodney passes out from the blows to his head and
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when he comes to Carla is long gone, no sign of her. He
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is bleeding profusely from his head from all the times that he was hit,
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so just blood gushing down. He drives the car straight to Carla's parents' house
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and begins beating on the door, screaming for Carla's debt. And he said
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he did this because Carla told him to go get her dad or whatever whenever.
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All this was happening again. This was nineteen seventy four. We learned
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that the nine one one system was not really happening. So and when he
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do were like talking about this, were like what is what was he thinking?
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Why did he call the police? But this was also a young kid.
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He's panicking. He doesn't he just got beaten severely. All he think
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of was to drive to her parents' house and get like an adult to come
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help with this situation. This is above his you know, pay grade here.
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You know, I suppose what do you mean you suppose? I mean,
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I guess. I mean I would think if you're a teenager, Well
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he did probably didn't even know where the police station was. It wasn't like
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he could put it in Google Maps on his iPhone, and like fear out,
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he went to the only place he knew where it was. So I
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don't think it's a map in his door pocket there, I don't. I
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don't think the police stations were marked on there were they? I don't think
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so, all right, So he goes straight there. He's beaten on the
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door, and he tells him that they got her. He's going to hurt
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her at the house. Rodney described the man that took Carla as white,
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about five ten, medium build, and had wavy hair and a cowboy hat.
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He also said he had a Southern accent. But this is like for
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a word, so I guess they all have Southern accents. I guess he
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had a more of a Southern accent than you know, everybody. Whenever I
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hear people like, man, they got a really Southern accent. But then
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when people hear me then aren't from the South, they're like, man,
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she's got a really Southern accent. So I think it just, yeah,
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it's all relative. When we were out in what Charleston, yeah, and
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uh Savannah mm hmmm yeah, and they were pronounced Southern accents to me.
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Yeah. They So even if you're from the South and you have an accent
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like some of you listening from other parts of the country or other other countries
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will say, man, you guys have a really Southern accent compared to some
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people. We don't. We're pretty pretty mellow, okay, there are some
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people that need subtitles, even for people that are that are from down here.
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So anyway, so they after talking to Rodney, they the adults contact
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the police and they head to the scene. They searched the area and found
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only Carla's purse and the magazine from the twenty two Ruger gun that was used
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in the abduction. No other evidence was found and there was no sign of
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Carla. Now police and search parties began combing the area looking for any other
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anything that they can find, drag marks, any like that, clothing items,
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or other objects of hers, and there's just no sign of where Carla
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has gone to. On February twentieth, nineteen seventy four, three days after
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the abduction, Carla's body was found in a culvert near Brynbrook. Bryn Brook
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Lane, you mean Benbrook Lake. This was not a type tomato tomato,
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He started to saying that like brin Brook Lane. I don't ever remember typing
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that, and this was not a type but it does say Binbrook Lake.
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Well, it just happened to be south of the town of Benbrook all that
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possibly Brook. Upon initially finding Carla, it was clear that she had been
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beaten and strangled. They also found the promise ring that Rodney had given her
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the night of the abduction lane on the ground near her body. They found
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this to be odd because it was not stolen, and it appeared that the
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killer had taken the ring off of her after she was murdered and throw it
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on the ground. Now, I'm sure the ring wasn't high value. I
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mean, this is teenagers, but but whoever took it wouldn't have known that
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until they went and tried to pawn it on it. Yeah, seen what
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it was. So this is worth ten dollars and autopsy would later reveal that
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she had been raped and tortured. They did find sminal fluid on her and
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her dress. They also found, based on the time of her death,
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that she was alive for at least two days after the abduction. Based on
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blood testing, they found that she had also been injected with morphine. Yeah,
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which is very strange. So basically whoever taken her had just kept her
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alive, tortured her, and then disposed of her. Finally killed her and
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disposed of her. Rodney was the prime suspect. He only had non life
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threatening injuries and police were finding it hard to I mean, despite because head
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wounds bleed a lot, so I'm sure it looked really bad, but they
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actually were not life threatening or anything like that, and please find it.
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We're finding it hard to believe that the gun misfired three times. They're just
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like, this is a crazy story. They also found it odd that the
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promise ring was discarded on the ground near the body, and they thought possibly
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he had gotten angry and killed her in a rage. I mean, because
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for that one thing to be flung to the side, almost as like a
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message or something, you know, is what they're thinking. However, they
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really did not have any solid evidence against him, but a cloud of suspicion
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would continue to hang over him. The police did speak to family and friends
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of both Carla and Rodney, and no one thought he would do something like
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this or could believe he did anything. Plus, not to mention, they're
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looking at the fact that she was obviously kept alive for two days, and
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I don't know how he would have done that if he was in the throes
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of searching well and searching for and all this stuff like that. He's actively
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with the family, so it's not They still are saying he's the prime suspect,
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but it really it's not looking like that. Yeah, they obviously can't
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arrest him because they don't have convincing evidence. No they don't, but they
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have caused him to have a lot of suspicion thrown his way, which will
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follow him for a long time. Well, things were at a standstill with
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Rodney police. Look at the evidence that they do have. The magazine clip
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had a magazine, the magazine from the weapon had a partial print, but
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nothing used. Sorry, is that the wrong terminology, stue magazine, Well,
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there is a clip in there is a magazine. This was a magazine.
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This was a magazine, and it was some sort of gun that was
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a newer gun. So it automatically released when you hit a button or something
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the magazine then, yeah, which is why they don't think the killer meant
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to leave the magazine. They think it in the struggle with Rodney and the
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beating of him, he accidentally hit the button released the magazine. Magazine release.
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Yeah, it had a partial print, but nothing usable. They did
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have the type of gun. It was a new twenty two caliber Ruger that
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had only been on the market for a short while. So they turned to
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the ATF, which I don't even understand alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.
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Yeah, one agency that covers all three does not make sense. The ATF
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gave them a list of everyone who had purchased that type of gun, and
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it was hundreds, but at least they had a starting point for suspects.
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Police began interviewing the gun owners and taking any tips received from the public and
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working through those. It was going to be a long process to find Carla's
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killer because no new information was coming in. Yeah, so they were,
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Yeah, they were having whatever leads they had, that's what they had to
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run down. Yeah. And then at the crime scene there was basically nothing
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besides I mean, if he hadn't actually dislodged the magazine out of there whenever
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he was beating Rodney, there would have had even less to go on.
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Absolutely not, and Roddy would have been more of a suspect. Yeah.
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Three months after the murder of Carla, a man named Tommy ray Neeland was
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arrested in Fort Worth after a failed attempt at abducting a young woman. She
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was able to get away from him and to identify him to police. While
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in custody, Tommy confessed to two other murders. These was two teenagers from
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Oklahoma City. It was a very similar crime to what happened to Carla,
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so they thought he might be their killer. They brought Rodney in to look
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and to listen to him in a lineup, and he picked him up based
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on his voice, not necessarily how he looked, because I guess it was
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dark at one am, but he recognized the voice, which is not a
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good they had to pick up even eyewitness accounts or not. Specialty of being
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beaten ahead, and you're gonna match your boys. Now they with this information,
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this new information, they had him take a polygraph, the kneeling guy,
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the tommyneeling guy, had him take a polygraph and he failed. Now
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for as alibi, he said that he was at a youth retreat and police
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were also able to confirm this would confirm this that he was there through multiple
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witnesses. With not enough information for an arrest, he would only remain on
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the suspect suspect list. I can't read, you cannot talk at all,
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can I can't talk suspect list for now. So he's failed the polygraph,
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which, as you know, is to think at the yep, he's killed
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two other teenagers confessed to it in a very similar manner. However, he
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says he was at a youth retreat and people say he was there, so
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I think it's funny he's at a youth retreat and you know, murders people.
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But whatever. So in the end, he ended up confessing to three
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murders total, the two teenagers and one other one. During his trial for
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those murders, he would claim that his confession should be thrown out because he
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was coerced by police. This is just a sidebar. So he was he
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confessed to those two murdering the two teenagers in Oklahoma. He said that whatever
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police set him in custody, he was beaten and starved and slapped and kicked
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and everything. But this was denied by the judge and he was sentenced to
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two life sentences. But that's a sidebar because he was brought in as a
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suspect. But he didn't actually kill Carla, and he never And part of
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that was they're saying the reasoning is is they're saying, well, if he's
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already gonna confess to three murders, why wouldn't he just confess to what he
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did to Carla it's not like he's gonna get less of a life sentence.
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You know, you might as well just admit it. Admit what you've done.
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I hear that a lot from somebody. Admit it. Just a minute.
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Police continue to run down all the tips that came in, and they're
23:12
interviewing the gun owners of the twenty two rugers, but nothing is promising,
23:18
so the case goes cold. Carlos's parents both died waiting for answers, and
23:23
it would take over four decades later before new advancement in DNA technology would allow
23:30
them to process the evidence well. New advancements and also just someone to take
23:34
There's so many cold cases from back in the day that are unsolved. It
23:37
just takes time for someone to be able to get to them and say,
23:41
okay, sift through the box of evidence and say if there's anything usable in
23:44
there. And so the cold case team looked into the case and thought it
23:48
would be the perfect candidate for running all the evidence they had. When inspecting
23:52
how the items were stored, they found that they had been preserved perfectly over
23:56
the decades. I guess as perfectly as they thought out. They couldn't be.
24:00
They were in the DNA from Carlo's close and developed a partial profile that
24:06
was not enough to run through the CODA system, but it was enough to
24:10
eliminate Tommy Neland and Rodney McCoy as suspects, which we already we already were
24:17
feeling they weren't the right ones though, but this officially released them as suspects
24:22
only forty plus years later. But I mean, I don't feel sorry for
24:26
the Tommy guy, but right, I'm felt bad for right, Yeah,
24:29
he had to live forty years under suspicion that did he do it? Maybe
24:32
he didn't. Yeah, So they needed a lab with more advanced techniques in
24:36
DNA. So they because this again is only a partial profile, so I
24:40
don't really understand all. I'm not a DNA ologist. Is that the word
24:45
that is not that is something I made of the fact that he made up
24:48
that word shows that we do not have the proper juice. But if you
24:51
say it was, if you say it with commitment, people will believe it.
24:53
Yes, it's like a polygrapher last week instead of a polygraph person or
25:00
whatever they are. So they needed a lab with more advanced techniques to be
25:06
able to put this whole profile to instead of a partial profile to connect the
25:08
dots and get the whole profile. So they contacted a lab in California and
25:12
they were able to build a full DNA profile from the degraded segment. So
25:17
this but from what I understand is they add add to it to build this
25:22
this full profile. It's not I'm not really sure, but they add to
25:27
it anyway. Yeah, I'm not sure what they know, how they know
25:30
it adds or whatever come out with a proper result. Well, they ran
25:33
this through CODIS, but to their surprise, they did not get a hit.
25:37
Now, usually such a violent crime, the killer would have done this
25:40
again and been in the system. Detectives began looking for more options in advancements
25:45
and found a lab in the Woodlands, Texas called AUTHRAM. I thought it
25:49
was Orthrom. Maybe I'd tape that wrong Authorm, No, it's Authorm.
25:52
Sure. Authoram is a private lab that uncovers genetic identities through DNA rootless hair
25:59
in decades old boats. They are able to build a DNA profile from like
26:03
miniskill samples down to point one two two point one five nanograms, which is
26:07
about fifteen human cells for reference. So just touching your skin if you just
26:12
were to put your hand and touch your skin right now, that leaves behind
26:15
hundreds of cells. So this is very far advanced DNA technology and they're basically
26:22
their their motto is they're basically the last hope. If you can't solve it
26:26
with any other stuff, then you can bring it to them, and it's
26:29
you're kind of there's the last they can do, and I know what it
26:30
can do that right now. So police had only one one nanogram of fresh
26:36
DNA left to test to so orthrom was their last hope because again they can
26:41
do it with point one two point one five nanograms and they had one whole
26:45
nanograms, so that's a lot compared to that's almost four or five times what
26:48
they need. So Authorm does though they don't need to again sorry, I'm
26:55
hopefully I'll explainable. Probably it's like a lot of DNA sciencey stuff. So
27:00
ath they don't actually need to add anything like the lab like the traditional labs
27:04
do where they're adding to build the profile. Authorm can can get down so
27:10
far that they can actually just enhance the cells that were degraded to get a
27:14
full DNA profile. So they were able to get the police something else that
27:18
they could work with to sind out who the killer was. They run this
27:22
new sample through the consumer database called jed maatch, and this is where they
27:27
come back with a familial hit to the McCurley family. Yeah, that's where
27:32
authorm runs all their stuff. They don't run it through codis or anything.
27:36
They run through there because they're a private company. Yeah, because jed match
27:40
is a public DNA profile. Yes, and you can, so everybody that's
27:42
interested in ancestry can take their their DNA samples from like twenty three and meis
27:48
or ancestry dot com and you can upload your your genome stuff. That's all
27:53
the murderers and your family. Yeah, you can upload that into this jed
27:56
match and then once you put it in there, it's it's for public use,
28:00
so they can so anytime you upload your stuff, they well that's what
28:04
happened with the gold. They can't they can't run it through the private ones,
28:07
or they can't run it through private ones like twenty three and me or
28:11
ancestry dot com because they don't have it's they don't have the that's not public
28:17
use. But if you go in the jed match so that anybody can that's
28:19
how they caught the Golden State killer was because a cousin or something put theirs
28:23
in this this public h DNA profiling system. But you can take your results
28:30
from ann. You can take your results from You can willingly put yours out
28:33
there if you want to get your if you know for sure you're not a
28:37
killer, and you want to get your family members, you can totally do
28:40
that. I encourage you to do such things. We're still waiting on yours
28:45
to be found. Oh you haven't. I haven't uploaded mine. I'm afraid
28:47
for my family. Well, I've uploaded mine in a jed match. I
28:51
haven't heard of any Oh you did close relatively uploaded yours out there. Wow,
28:56
you just turn on your family like that. I know who not to
28:59
cal hight to body. Jesus, Well, it's probably gonna be my body.
29:03
This is true. So anyway, this narrowed down the suspects to three
29:11
brothers. One of the brothers was Glenn Samuel McCurley. Glenn had been living
29:15
in Fort Worth at the time of the murder and still currently lived in the
29:19
area. He had also been interviewed as one of the hundreds of gun owners
29:23
back in the day but he had ultimately been cleared due to passing a polygraph
29:30
test boo So. When interviewed about his gun in April nineteen seventy four,
29:36
he said the gun had been stolen about six weeks earlier while he was fishing,
29:41
and that his wife had gone to West Texas to visit family, so
29:45
was out of town and could not vouch for his whereabouts. He said he
29:49
did not report it due to being an ex con. There's red flags all
29:53
that guy on that guy on the Instagram or whatever that does the red flag
29:56
thing about, like the husbands or the men. This is red flags.
30:00
We need him here waving his red flag. This is all. The gun
30:03
was stolen, and right about the time the murder happened. My wife wasn't
30:07
there. She can't vouch for me. I'm an next con. I didn't
30:10
reporting stolen. Like what more do we need? How'd you get the damn
30:14
gun? Who bought it for you? You know what it is. It's
30:15
because that stupid polygraph test. Like the kneeling guy, he failed it and
30:18
so they thought it was him and he was a murderer, but he failed
30:22
it, so they thought it was him. But he passed the polygraph and
30:25
they're like, back then, they think that's just solid evidence. Thet's just
30:29
clear them out now. On the day of the murders, he said he
30:30
had been at work until four thirty PM as a truck driver and was off
30:36
the next day, so he didn't even have He was clearly had time to
30:41
do it and rest up and hold or hold her hostage the next day.
30:44
Exactly. Nothing was done with him after that, and he had been living
30:48
freely for the next forty six years. That seemed that he had never committed
30:53
any other crime like this to be arrested for, or be caught or being
30:57
caught doing such things. On July seventh, twenty twenty, police went through
31:03
Glenn's trash at his home and collected items to send off for analysis. On
31:07
September four, twenty twenty, one of those items came back as a DNA
31:11
match to the sample from Carla's dress from that night. On September tenth,
31:15
twenty twenty, police went to his home to speak to him and his wife,
31:18
and he told the same exact story verbatim from nineteen seventy four. Now
31:23
Glenn himself was now seventy seven years old. He appeared to have lived a
31:27
pretty normal life. He had been married fifty years, had two children,
31:30
and had worked as a long haul truck driver his whole life. He was
31:34
brought in for more questioning and then they showed him a picture of Carla and
31:40
he says that he'd never seen her before. When police confronting with the DNA
31:44
evidence, he quickly changes his story. Let me guess we had consensual sex.
31:49
Yes, so whenever, So when police confront him or Stuart, you've
31:56
done throwing me off. He said that he had come up. But he
32:00
said that he had came upon the man attacking Carla. So he's a hero
32:04
in a he and he was rewarded with consensual sex from Carla. He pulled
32:09
her away from the guy. He apparently didn't want to be like fuck you,
32:14
Rodney help, and she she was mad at Ronnie for not protecting her.
32:17
So she's going to go with with old Glenn here. She's just gonna
32:23
say I'm going to have sex with you. And he said make sure and
32:25
said it was consensual and everything, and that's how his DNA ended up on
32:31
her dress that night. Now he kept saying that she was He also kept
32:35
using the word compliant in his interview, It's like he had been watching a
32:38
lot of dateline stuff in his years and knew it was practicing what to say
32:44
whenever police came a knocking at his door. Well, he willingly gave over
32:49
a DNA sample, and on September sixteenth, it came back as a match.
32:52
He was arrested for the murder of Carla Walker. So he had I
32:55
guess he thought his consensual sex thing was gonna work out out for him or
33:00
something. Or he was just seventy seven, and it is like, fuck
33:02
it, I don't care anything. I've been married for fifty I've been hiding
33:05
this secret for I've been married for fifty years. I just want to get
33:07
out of this. But I don't want to get a divorce. What's wrong
33:12
with you? What is that how you feel it could happen? Trust me?
33:15
I feel like I could find someone to help me hide a body.
33:19
Right We're in West Texas. I was pointing out to you. I was
33:22
like, I was pointing out to you where you should hide bodies out here.
33:24
Wellbody to help you unless you pay them. You want to go put
33:28
one on one of these oil filled leases, because then it takes all sorts
33:30
of stuff to be able to go and search there with the police. It's
33:34
it's an ordeal and they'll never find you. The wild boars will eat your
33:39
body. Oh thanks for putting that out there for everybody to know how you
33:43
disposed of my body. You know, if we were in life yead and
33:46
being alligators anyway, or Rodney for Rodney, Justice for Rodney. Glenn went
34:00
on trial in August of twenty twenty one. As evidence was presented, Glenn
34:06
must have seen the writing on the wall, because on the third day of
34:08
the trial he pleaded guilty in exchange for a life sentence, what for three
34:13
years, and he didn't admit to actually killing Carla. He told a reporter
34:19
that he had pled guilty because he had been hounded enough, which quote,
34:23
I'd had enough hounding, which again he could be referring to about murdering or
34:29
his wife of fifty year. You're just him pecking the shit out. You
34:34
know what the thing is is that it's all bullshit, because here's the thing,
34:37
here's the thing. I wouldn't have to depending yourself. I'm just making
34:42
jokes. No, you're not making jokes, because the thing is is I
34:44
wouldn't have to repeat myself or hound you if you just did things, if
34:47
you just did things the first time. So really, yes, moving on
34:53
from your silliness, my silliness, your silliness. Lord Jesus, take the
35:02
wheel stairs into oncoming traffic, please God. Now, investigators believe that old
35:10
mccurly may have been involved in the rapes and murders of several other young women
35:15
and in around the Fort Worth area in the nineteen seventies and eighties. Yeah,
35:20
there's no way he didn't do anything else. There's no way. This
35:22
is the extent of what he's done. He just whatever. For whatever reason,
35:25
the evidence hasn't been run through. Although although I was destroyed, I'm
35:30
guessing the timing. Though. The only thing I was thinking about is there
35:32
are men who meet there's these seriicillers that like BTK and stuff like that.
35:37
They meet their wives and then they just stop. It's like very weird they
35:43
do these crimes or whatever. And then it would have been right about the
35:45
time he married this his wife that he could have stopped doing this. But
35:51
I mean, you just don't know, you don't because he has never been
35:54
charged with any other crimes. He was in prison in the ghiblewis U,
36:00
which I guess is about a mile or so outside of Woodville, Texas,
36:05
which I don't know where that was Woodville. Now, he would have been
36:08
eligible for Pearl on March twenty first, twenty twenty nine, but he died
36:14
fifteen July twenty twenty three, so he was only in jail for a couple
36:19
of years. And well, yeah, seventy seven. I mean, we've
36:21
watched a lot of locked up. You're not going to make it that long
36:22
in jail. It's not a there's it just is rough on the body.
36:28
But it sucks. He made it all that time free and then just dies
36:32
at like a normal age. I mean, eighty isn't well, I would
36:37
rather go out of my house than in a lock up. Well I know
36:38
that, no, but I'm saying it sucks. He got to live a
36:42
full life basically. I mean, imagine if his wife and kids were normal.
36:45
How devastating that is that they're like, oly, shit, dad did
36:49
what? Well? Yeah, because like I said, there's a lot of
36:51
these serial killers. They'd be like great dad's great husbands, and they're like
36:54
out of nowhere. I heard some interview with the daughter of the BT and
37:00
she was just like, I can't even she don't want to talk to him
37:04
well, because then you look at them, you can't even put the match
37:07
the two personalities together, this killer and the dad. You're just if they
37:09
were good to you. I mean, it's anyways. But all right,
37:14
So that's our case out of Texas. This week, things are looking up
37:19
for us. The foster dogs are gone gone with their not that I think
37:22
we even talked about, like, oh, maybe we could foster again,
37:24
but it just not at this time. We could have probably fostered the dog
37:30
Black a little longer. She might have been She would have been okay now
37:31
if we wouldn't have got dog Brown. But the problem was with Dog Black
37:36
is she was gonna be. She's being fixed, and I don't think we
37:38
had the time to give her the proper care post surgery was part of the
37:44
problem too. I don't need her licking her stitches and stuff, because I've
37:46
told you, Yeah, so I told you about that story when I ward
37:49
at that campao. I think I've told one here about how the dog got
37:52
her cone off and licked the dissolvable stitches and we came in the next morning
37:55
and she had intestines strung all out through her kennel. I had to pick
38:00
them up and put them in someone's car, and she survived. But it
38:02
was pretty gross, scarring for me, probably for the dog anyways. But
38:08
all right, Stu, you got your y'all need Jesus, of course I
38:12
do. All right, let's hear things. A couple arrested for making fake
38:15
winning a lotto ticket in hopes of tricking officials into handing over one million dollar
38:22
prize. They Florida, not Florida. This is not Florida. Coming to
38:30
us from the New York Post by David Proper, a Florida couple allegedly tried
38:36
to fake it big Kira, It's pretty stupid. Kira Enders and her boyfriend
38:42
Da Coda Jones allegedly attempted to trick the lottery officials into giving them a one
38:47
million dollar prize with two torn scratch off tickets spliced together to form a winning
38:54
ticket. According to authorities, Oh my god, well you didn't explain to
38:59
me that they did that. That's really different. I just read you the
39:00
headline. The two tickets were ripped it horizontally with the top. Did they
39:07
at least cut them or did they just rip them in the half. Well,
39:09
the story says rips, which gets even dumber. They didn't even use
39:14
an exact o knife to try to match up. Okay, yeah, it
39:17
says they tore them. God, can you imagine getting two scratch offs that
39:22
you got half the right numbers on one and half the right numbers on the
39:25
other, and you were you took to your spouse and you're like, hey,
39:29
you know, we could just like cut these in half and gloom together.
39:31
And don't never know, this has got to be the first time ever
39:37
that it's been tried, you know. That's why Taylor Swift wrote that Florida
39:40
songs due just stop thought we're gonna make a whole episode with no will we
39:46
will be speaking about Florida. I can't. That's why she wrote it,
39:51
because everybody goes down there and try and rip off the lottery off them.
39:54
No, but that's where everybody goes to just try to get away with stuff.
40:00
She said she'd watch she watched a lot of Dateline, and she said,
40:02
everybody who kills people just goes to Florida to try to get away with
40:06
it. And it's not that's because there's a lot of stupidity down there.
40:08
There's a lot happening. If you're from Florida and you're listening to this,
40:13
you're one of the smart ones. Okay, yes, obviously, obviously we're
40:15
not talking about you. Yeah, obviously. Now, the two tickets were
40:19
ripped horizontally, with the top half of one ticket and the bottom half of
40:22
the other ticket then carefully pieced together, carefully in bunny ears. Carefully pieced
40:28
together to show the one million dollar prize winner, according to a police report
40:34
cited by the Pensacola News Journal. But the Frankenstein ticket was not fooling anyone,
40:40
as the failed fraudster forgot to check the serial numbers of the two different
40:45
scratch offs. Little thin That's the only thing they forgot to check. There's
40:49
a lot of things. I guarantee. The pictures on the front didn't even
40:51
match up, like the little images. Probably not. I mean, I
40:54
don't even know how they glued them back together. They probably stapled them.
41:00
These two people are taped it together something. Yeah, these two geniuses stabled
41:05
and then taped them. Now, I don't think this is going to be
41:08
a made for TV movie type of situation, because it was clear to the
41:14
Lottery officials and obviously clear to us that she had taken the two tickets with
41:17
different you know, one side had one serial number, the other had another
41:22
serial number on it. Escambia County Sheriff Chipsimmons said, according to CBS Florida,
41:30
especially whenever you pretend like you've won a million dollars, they're going to
41:35
take a look at this ticket. Several days after Enders, thirty six submitted
41:38
the ticket to the Florida Lottery in March, she and Jones, thirty two,
41:44
drove to meet with a lottery agent to follow up about the possible winnings.
41:47
Instead of being handed a big check, the pair was quickly taken into
41:52
custody and questioned separately. Once they arrived, Inders allegedly claimed the ticket fell
41:58
out of her car and then got rained. On police report stays she then
42:05
told about a friend's episode where there was something about when they lost the lottery
42:08
tickets, and then she was trying to explain why how she lost the bowl
42:15
of lottery tickets, and she said a pigeon swooped down and stall them and
42:20
stall because someone in the street found that they on the friends episode, they
42:23
got together and they bought a bunch of lottery tickets for like the power Ball,
42:28
and Phoebe lost the Oh no, it was actually what happened was a
42:32
pigeon did come down and she dropped the bowl and then someone found the ten
42:37
thousand dollars winter down there in the street, and it was like a big
42:38
story how someone just happened upon a lottery ticket. So, anyways, that
42:44
sounds interesting. I may have to watch that episode you won someday. And
42:47
then Rachel says, so yeah, yeah, Ross, because he was like
42:51
he wanted to find out what a million with the there's talking about joking what
42:53
they would do with the winnings, and Ross wanted to know what would happened
42:57
to him. He'd put it in like a high high yield to say,
43:00
or investment funds. And then Rachel's like, oh, yeah, well,
43:02
we're all in our whatever you can guess up the hyunday meet us in our
43:06
mansions or whatever. Anyways, Okay, I guess you had to be in
43:12
there for that one. Yes, she told oh and Emma just said gliba.
43:15
Oh that was the episode where she said, oh god, she said
43:17
their baby just said their first word and he said, what wasn't And she
43:22
said gliba and he's like, that's not a word, and she said,
43:25
he said use it in a sentence, and she said, okay, uh,
43:28
Emma just said gliba. Anyways, and then she looks it up and
43:31
it's like a flesh eating amieba or something like that. The friends people out
43:37
there will know. How many do you think are out there? Yes,
43:43
millions out of our tens of listeners, there's millions, yes, millions.
43:47
Getting back to our story, she I forgot who she is, enders I
43:52
guess, then told authorities that she tried to scratch it before it was dry
43:57
and forced to tape it back together to keep it from getting further run.
44:00
At least she's got some stories. I mean, I don't think they should
44:05
have arrested her. I think they should have just been like, this is
44:07
so stupid. Why do we waste police resources on this? Well, after
44:15
she was confronted about the mismatching backsides of the two halves, she allegedly said,
44:20
well, they don't go together, and then argue the ticket wasn't taped
44:22
the right way according to the police documents. Good lord, I don't know
44:27
if she's on drugs or what or whoever wrote the stories on drugs because it
44:30
seems disjointed, sounds like whoever's reading the stories on drugs, It's possible.
44:36
She said she would have shared the winnings with Jones and hoped to open a
44:39
salon, per report. Meanwhile, Jones told the same lottery agent the couple
44:45
found too Hey, I want this bitch cut in your hair. Let me
44:46
tell you no, you do not. Jones told the same lottery agent the
44:52
couple had found two halves of a wet ticket walking down the road in the
44:55
Funiac Springs. Well that's a that's a mouthful there, the police report states.
45:02
Jones stated that once scratched, the ticket set a million dollars and he
45:07
was like, no freaking way, dude. Jones advised that they did not
45:12
buy the ticket and he doesn't know what Enders told us, but that's the
45:15
truth. Do you think she did all this Frankenstein putting the piecing this back
45:22
together herself, and then put the ticket in the water in front of her
45:27
boyfriend and tricked him into it as well because he's stupid. Well, there's
45:31
more to the story. Then the agent informed him that he told Enders the
45:37
numbers on the top and bottom were different, which led Jones to reportedly reportedly
45:45
reply that his galpal knew they didn't match. I began to state, so
45:51
she obviously knew, and Jones stated, yeah she knew. Man, all
45:55
right, is this over? I know someone in the reviews told me to
45:59
not interrupture. Y'all need Jesus. Now this story, I feel like I
46:01
need to just we go back and forth between these names, and I think
46:07
we just need to end it. This is what's happened. They need Jesus.
46:12
Don't let her cut your hair. Don't let her cut your hair.
46:15
The two were arrested this month in charge with forgery, adult alteration of a
46:19
lottery ticket with intent to defraud, passing forged altered state lottery ticket, and
46:22
larceny grand theft of one hundred thousand dollars or more. I bet they didn't
46:27
think all those were the consequences for that. I wouldn't have thought that many
46:30
things could happen to you for trying to if you're trying to defraud a lottery
46:35
or oh yeah, they get mad when you're trying to take it whenever they
46:38
come the tax here as multiple times and nobody seems to give a fuck about
46:42
that. But whatever, No, they don't. That's your fault for leaving
46:45
that information out and about Yeah for a little because the one time someone stole
46:50
my information and try to use it at a Chili's and got declined, So
46:52
they could have found out who those people were. But they're not going to
46:54
do all that, so then they just go do it again to somebody else.
46:58
Yeah, you were mad. You were called to find which chilis.
47:02
I was so mad about it. I tried to find out which. Oh
47:05
this was before we had children. I had a lot of time my hands.
47:07
I called around all the chilis in Houston trying to figure out if I
47:09
could get the video and find out who's style. It was, as you
47:15
can imagine, an effort in futility, and nothing came of it. But
47:20
now it's almost as comical as the time when you got in the fight with
47:22
AT and over the insurance. Oh yeah, I'm no. That took three
47:29
days for you to argue with them back and forth. Oh, I can't
47:30
even want three different phone tall Yeah. And then they claim I didn't send
47:35
this phone back in but I did. And then I had like my location
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services showing it was at the office. No, at the AT and T
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facility. It was the last time it was on, and they still anyways,
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I can't don't even give me started. We got our money. But
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all right, well that's our episode for this week. I have a I
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get a lot of rage about stuff like that, and we're surprisingly still all
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right, yeah, just for now, hanging in there. All right,
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that's our episode for this week, and rate review, subscribe patreons in the
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show notes by the coffee Instagram, Facebook and I guess we will see you
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next time. Byeveryone, say bye Steve, bye Stuve. Doelln't you know
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it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot by nothing else. It's working and it's pretty
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learning and say this worthy. I can