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- 0:00Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to another episode of the so called
- 0:05Sports Analyst, Episode number forty one. Josh, how you doing. I'm
- 0:10doing pretty good. You know, we're not gonna talk much about them today,
- 0:14but the Spurs finished the season seven and four, so I'm feeling very
- 0:17good, on a really good high right now. Can't wait to get into
- 0:20this playing tournament talk as we get closer to crowning a new champion. Yes,
- 0:26sir, Yes, sir, And we're we're gonna kind of go with
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- 0:35but we're gonna have two episodes going out throughout the week so we could
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- 1:03sure you share this to anybody who likes sports. But, like Josh was
- 1:06saying, let's go ahead and get into it, and before we get into
- 1:10the playing games, let's just give a quick recap of what exactly happened through
- 1:14the standings. So we're gonna just start in the Eastern Conference. Obviously,
- 1:19Boston Celtics are the one seed, Nicks are, the two seed Bucks are
- 1:23the three seed, Calves are the four seed, Magic, five Pacers,
- 1:26six, and then obviously the playing games. But just a quick question here
- 1:32for you, Josh, were you surprised by any of this movement as far
- 1:36as Milwaukee dropping down or the Calves going back up or going from six to
- 1:41four. Were you surprised by any of this? No, I think the
- 1:45Calves have the better overall team between the three Calves, Magic, and Pacers,
- 1:49so I'm not surprised with them being at the four spot. But I
- 1:53was very surprised how the New York moved up to the number two spot and
- 1:57taking over the Milwaukee Bucks position. I think me and you both predicted last
- 2:00episode that it would probably stay around the same that it was, but the
- 2:06Knicks kind of closed out the close out these last couple of games pretty good
- 2:08and secured that number two spot. So there, I'm a little surprised because
- 2:15we kind of harp on Jalen Brunson being the only guy that can really get
- 2:19stuff done, but looks like it doesn't matter if he's the only guy getting
- 2:22stuff done. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think it's kind of
- 2:27a big deal for the Knicks year. I'm not gonna lie. I think
- 2:30them avoiding the Boston Celtics that's gonna be essential because that's the one team where
- 2:36they don't match up favorably against. I don't know what you think about that.
- 2:40I think we'll get into it here in a minute. But they're still
- 2:44gonna have a tough matchup in that round one, So yeah, either between
- 2:47one of the between the heat and seventy six ers. So they're not they're
- 2:52not home free just yet, so we'll see. We'll see how it plays
- 2:57out. But it is helpful that they won't have to play the Boston Celtics
- 3:00in like in a round two scenario. Yeah exactly. And let's going and
- 3:06move on to the Western Conference here. So the Thunder end up as a
- 3:08one seed. The Nuggets are the two seed, Timberwolves are the three seed.
- 3:14Clippers in math, that's kind of been known, they're the four to
- 3:15five seed. The Suns they're the sixth seed and then Pelicans, seven,
- 3:21Lakers, eight Kings, nine, Warriors ten. So you predicted that the
- 3:27Timberwolves were gonna be one and they fell all the way down to three.
- 3:31So do you think this is a bad sign going into the playoffs here?
- 3:44I'm not. I don't know if it's a bad sign. They are playing
- 3:46the Phoenix Suns, who I get they have Kevin Durant, Bradley Bill,
- 3:52and Devin Booker. But I think when it comes to the depth of a
- 3:54team, I feel like the timber Wolves have a deeper, a deeper,
- 3:58a deeper bench than the Suns. And I do think their defense is is
- 4:01pretty well. I understand better offense be better defense, but yeah, it
- 4:06can. I think when this defense is like the way that the two Ruleves
- 4:10play the number one defense in the entire NBA, I think this this matchup
- 4:14suits them pretty well, especially especially when it comes to having men on the
- 4:16interior because they have the bigger the bigger players when it comes to Najory and
- 4:21Rudy Gobert going into this matchup, Yeah, exactly. But we don't want
- 4:27to get too much into the playoff details here. That's gonna be no,
- 4:30no, But is it a big deal? Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
- 4:34I asked you that just to give a snippet, just a little piece,
- 4:38just a little piece, but little snips, yeah, little snips.
- 4:43But let's go ahead and move on to the playing games, the playing games
- 4:46that hold on. My prediction almost came true. The Kings almost fell all
- 4:50the way to the ten seed. They almost fell. Yeah, yeah,
- 4:55no, you were. You were damn close. You almost predicted it spot
- 4:59on because you said Sons get in, right, You said Sons get in
- 5:02and Pelicans Sons six? Did I say Pelicans seven? Yeah, I believe
- 5:08you said Pelicans seven. I just needed the Warriors and Lakers to switch.
- 5:12I do need the Warriors and Kings to switch. Man, So so damn
- 5:16close to perfection, sodamn close. They have sad records too, I think
- 5:21the well, I'm I'm gonna say that stat for in a second. But
- 5:26let yeah, let's go ahead and get into this plan. So the first
- 5:29game that's gonna happen tomorrow is the Lakers versus the Pelicans here, in which
- 5:35the Lakers they played the Pelicans on Sunday to secure that eight seed, in
- 5:40which they blew the Pelicans out. But Josh, who's winning this game and
- 5:45why? I think the Los Angeles Lakers are gonna win this game, and
- 5:47they're gonna win this game by a lot. I think in three out of
- 5:51the four matchups that they have played this year, the Lakers have won one
- 5:55thirty three to eighty nine, one thirty nine to one twenty two, and
- 5:59one twenty four to one. Await, they have dominated every single game that
- 6:01they have won against the Pelicans, and I think, and I just think
- 6:04it's gonna end up the same exact way. Especially with the fully healthy Lakers
- 6:08squad going into this game, and especially with and the confirmation of Anthony Davis
- 6:14will play in this game, I think it's gonna be too much for the
- 6:16Pelicans to deal with, especially with Lebron going into the playoffs. Yeah,
- 6:20so it was kind of scary at first seeing Lebron with the backspasms or not
- 6:25Lebron a d because if AD's out, then that's that's a whole different complex.
- 6:30But I honestly think this game is gonna be really close here, Josh,
- 6:33I just feel like there's gonna be okay. First off, I think
- 6:39the Lakers are gonna win, but I think there's gonna kind of be a
- 6:43letdown factor as far as we just blew this team out of the water and
- 6:46they're completely healthy, so there's gonna be somewhat of a letdown. I'm seeing
- 6:51like mid third quarter it's a nip and tuck tuck ball game, and then
- 6:56to start the fourth the Lakers they're gonna pull away. But one thing that
- 7:01I want to take away is that the Pelicans, Yes, they have a
- 7:04great defense, but they're as far as long pop pause, no Didty,
- 7:10no Diddy, But they have long defenders and they're not physically capable of stopping
- 7:17the Lakers. They're good against teams that have perimeter scores, like the Warriors,
- 7:24like the Kings, but the Lakers are the opposite of that. They
- 7:28drive to the basket, kick out, and shoot threes. That's exactly what
- 7:30they do. So it's a bad matchup. And like you mentioned, playoff
- 7:34Lebron, playoff ad you can't stop that. And Okay, one question I
- 7:41want to ask you, because I've seen it a lot as far as with
- 7:44the sports media, everybody has been saying the Lakers they should lose this game
- 7:49on purpose to avoid the Nuggets. How do you feel about that. Do
- 7:54you think that it's smart or do you think you're kind of playing with the
- 7:59basketball out here? H he lose his game and you avoid the Nuggets.
- 8:11It's tough, Honestly, I feel like you want to catch the Nuggets earlier
- 8:18going into the playoffs, rather than wait for them deeper into the playoffs when
- 8:22they're in full strength and Jamal Murray's getting back into the grow of things because
- 8:26he has been injured. I think you want to catch the Nuggets as soon
- 8:28as possible, as soon as you you still have fresh legs. They still
- 8:31have fresh legs, and I'd be willing to bet on Lebron and ad on
- 8:35some fresher legs. So that's that's why I would rather as the Lakers play
- 8:39the Nuggets first. Yeah, in the first round. That that's just me,
- 8:45but also who they avoiding. They're still going to play the Thunder.
- 8:48I understand that thunders inexperience compared to experience to the Lakers is night and day.
- 8:54But there's still a hell of a team all around the Oklahoma City Thunder
- 8:58offensively, andy offensively. The only thing that the Lakers maybe match well better
- 9:03up against them is the penetration offense, that they're gonna be able to get
- 9:07into the inside offense at offensively at will and the Thunder half, and the
- 9:13Lakers have played good against the thunder throughout this season, So I really do
- 9:16think you're just nitpicking who you would rather play. I understand the Lakers aren't
- 9:22very good against the Nuggets, we have said that before on the pod,
- 9:24but it's almost you'd rather catch them early when you are both on even ground,
- 9:28rather than wait until your older legs have to play against these guys deeper
- 9:31in the playoffs. Yeah, exactly, I one hundred percent agree. And
- 9:37if hypothetically you lose this game here, who says the Warriors and Kings,
- 9:43who could get very hot from three, they could just shoot you out of
- 9:46the building and you go from having a pretty much locked in spot to now
- 9:50you're out of the playoffs completely. And yes, there's that big stat oen
- 9:56eight versus the Denver Nuggets over the past two years, but eventually you're gonna
- 10:01win one. That's just it just balances out. I'm not saying that the
- 10:03Lakers are gonna upset the Nuggets here. I would still pick the Nuggets,
- 10:09but I could see this being a six game maybe a seven game series if
- 10:13if this happens. But yeah, no, I believe in the basketball gods,
- 10:18and you losing this game on purpose, you're gonna get struck back.
- 10:24You will there, there's no doubt about it. And like you kind of
- 10:28meant to the point, Lebron, it would be the freshest he'll be going
- 10:31into the playoffs, same with Anthony Davis. So so yeah, you're better
- 10:37off trying to catch them early. But anything else you want to say before
- 10:41we move into this next playing game. Have you heard any confirmation on whether
- 10:48Brandon Ingram is gonna play in this game or not, because towards the end
- 10:50of the season, there was a lot of speculation whether you would play in
- 10:52the games if he was getting he was getting closer to being healthier. Do
- 10:56you think he's gonna play in this one? So he's not listed on the
- 11:00injury report right now, so yeah, I think he's gonna play. So
- 11:03he played. He played Sunday a very few minutes, but he played,
- 11:07So I I think he's gonna play. But it's not gonna be the brandon
- 11:11Ingram that we're used to. It's not gonna be that twenty to thirty point
- 11:16scorer and that good primerative perimeter defender. So even if he is there,
- 11:24I don't think it's gonna be that much of a factor. Also, one
- 11:26more thing, so in that game Sunday Lebron you could tell he still has
- 11:33it. Defensively, he shut down Zion Williamson completely. He did, He
- 11:37just took him out of the game. And Zion he's been dominant this past
- 11:41month or so. So you're gonna get playoff Lebron, playoff ad like we're
- 11:46mentioning. So again, I know we don't do score predictions because it's really
- 11:52hard for the NBA, but kind of give a score prediction right here of
- 11:58who he is gonna win and how much. I'm we'll go one twenty three
- 12:05to one hundred and four. Damn. So you really think it's gonna be
- 12:11a blowout blow up? I do think so. I do. I think
- 12:16that Lakers are going to control this game from start to finish. M hmm,
- 12:20well all right, so I have the Lakers too. I don't see
- 12:24it being as high scoring. I probably say one oh eight to ninety eight.
- 12:33That's what I see it. Being a little bit low scoring playoff basketball.
- 12:37But you want to go to move on to this next playing game.
- 12:41Yeah, we can do that, all right. So the next one that's
- 12:43gonna happen after the Lakers and Pelicans is the Warriors versus the Kings. So
- 12:50the Kings in this matchup throughout the year, they've been three and one against
- 12:54the Warriors. Obviously Warriors are more experienced team. But who wins this game?
- 13:00Josh? And why I'm gonna go with the Golden State Warriors in this
- 13:03game? And I think I understand the there they have. They split the
- 13:09season series in this one. It came down to one point literally in three
- 13:13of the four games that they played against each other, and the and the
- 13:16one game that it wasn't one point, it was still very close. So
- 13:20these guys have played very well against each other this season. The only thing
- 13:24I'm I'm gonna go with the Warriors is they have been the hotter team to
- 13:28finish the season and I do think they're gonna keep that momentum going into this
- 13:31game. And they're starting to figure out a couple of their role players roles
- 13:35in this within their offense and defense. The Kings didn't finish the season very
- 13:39well, uh, dropping from the all the way from the fifth seed to
- 13:43the ninth seed isn't isn't very good? Isn't a good confidence builder going into
- 13:48the plane, especially playing Stephen Curry and Steve Kerr led basketball team, and
- 13:54then plus the missing Malik Monk and Kevin Hurder, is is just I just
- 13:58feel like it's gonna be too much for the Kings to overcome to playing the
- 14:03Warriors. And you're also playing a Draymond Green with his defensive mind and playoff
- 14:09experience, So I don't know, it's just it's going to be a tough
- 14:13matchup for the Kings. I think. Yeah, I agree with you one
- 14:16hundred percent. If Malik Monk and Kevin Hurder they were playing in this game,
- 14:20I would kind of lean towards the Kings here. But even at that
- 14:26so, I don't know the exact record, but the Kings, I believe
- 14:31there were twenty four and seventeen at home and the Warriors are twenty six and
- 14:35fifteen on the road, So they're actually a better team playing on the road.
- 14:41So somehow it plays in the Golden States favor And like you mentioned,
- 14:45they're an experienced team and so when they played the Kings and how they lost
- 14:52a couple of those games Draymond he didn't play, and a couple of them
- 14:58due to suspensions or multiple suspensions. But a stat that I want to give
- 15:03is that when Draymond Green was on the floor against the Kings, there were
- 15:07plus fourteen plus minus. So, like you mentioned, Draymond Green, he's
- 15:11going to be a really big factor. So yeah, I think that the
- 15:16Warriors, they end up winning this game, go ahead, and he's shooting
- 15:18the best he ever has from the three point range this year, So I'm
- 15:22just saying he's a sniper this year. He's a marksman. You can't leave
- 15:26him open now. But as far as score prediction, I think this one's
- 15:31going to be highest scoring. I don't know what you think, Josh,
- 15:37I think so too. I think defense is going to be kind of limited
- 15:39in this game. Trace Jackson Davis. He's a very good room defender,
- 15:46I think, and he's very athletic. I do think he couldn't answer to
- 15:50some of the pick and rolls that they do play with a lot with the
- 15:52Aaron foxon Demonta Sabonis. They could probably limit that with him and Draymond,
- 15:58I could see it being a high scoring game. But also I can see
- 16:03also see it being like a trap game for both of them when we're it's
- 16:07just like a like a one to zero one, like a one to twelve
- 16:11to one aweight game, which is low scoring in today's NBA. So I
- 16:15don't know if people are gonna like be like, oh, it's still pretty
- 16:19high. Yeah, no, not not in today's game. But I think
- 16:23that both of these teams they're gonna be shooting the lights out of the ball.
- 16:29They are, And even the games that the Kings have lost, they've
- 16:33been playing good basketball in those games. How they lost to the Suns close,
- 16:37they lost to the Pelicans close, they lost to the Celtics close.
- 16:41So these games, yes, they're four and six over their past ten,
- 16:45but they've been really competitive. And I think, if I have to give
- 16:51a score, I think this is gonna be like a one twenty five to
- 16:56one twenty type of ball game. It's gonna be back and forth the entire
- 16:59time. So I think that the Kings they have a realistic shot of winning.
- 17:06And I'm gonna give you a reason why. I think because Andrew Wiggins,
- 17:11he hasn't been the same player overall offensively and defensively, and Gary Payton.
- 17:17He's not playing tomorrow, So that's a couple of the perimeter defenders that
- 17:22won't or that won't be able to contain Daron Fox. And if Dearon Fox,
- 17:27he could just get or get on fire and not miss, and it's
- 17:33going to be a blowout in the Kings favor. That's just what I think.
- 17:37But did you want to say anything else before we move into the next
- 17:41one. Also, I think Brandon Podziensky is going to be a pretty good,
- 17:47pretty a factor in this game. He stepped in as a rookie pretty
- 17:49well into starting roles and and even roles where he's needed off the bench,
- 17:53playing defensively and offensively within this Warriors team, I do think he can kind
- 17:57of make up for that Gary Payton loss. And I do think he's gonna
- 18:02have a pretty big, pretty a pretty important role in winning this basketball game.
- 18:07Yeah, definitely. So Okay, So I want to say this,
- 18:10but I don't want this to be taken out of context. So not that
- 18:14he's Klay Thompson or what Klay Thompson was, but he's kind of feeling that
- 18:18Klay Thompson role, if that makes sense. Like the three and D three
- 18:21D player. Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't mean he's going
- 18:26to be this next top seventy five player, but he's he's definitely there.
- 18:30I'll score eleven, score sixty six on eleven dribbles. Imagine he does that
- 18:36against the Kings, same as Klay Thompson. Wait he did that against No,
- 18:41no, no, he's scored thirty. He scored thirty three points in
- 18:44what the third quarter against the Kings, right, something like thirty seven in
- 18:48that quarter. Thirty seven thirty seven, eleven dribbles. That was the Bulls,
- 18:52That's what it was. Yeah, sadly that's the But what so who
- 19:02you're picking the Warriors in this one? Oh? So yeah, yeah,
- 19:04I'm picking the Warriors. So I think the Warriors. So then that would
- 19:07be Pelicans versus Warriors for that last spot. Yeah, Pelicans versus Are you
- 19:12taking it? Oh? Are we doing to talk about that one? Yeah?
- 19:15We could. We could go in and talk about that one. Get
- 19:18done with the West first. So I'm gonna say this. I kind of
- 19:22hinted at it a little bit earlier. I'm taking the Pelicans to win this
- 19:26game very convincingly against the Warriors and taking the Warriors to win this game.
- 19:32Okay, closely, let me hear. Let me hear your reasons. Why.
- 19:36Let me hear your reasons why. Honestly, I understand that Zion has
- 19:42been pretty dominant, but I do think they can throw bodies at him with
- 19:45Draymond and then Trace Jackson Davis. I'm pretty high on Trace Jackson Davis after
- 19:52seeing him play against Victor winm Binyama. Let me tell you, I wasn't
- 19:56gonna talk about him very much on this part, but how we played against
- 19:59Victor Wim Binyama showed a lot to me. And I do think he can
- 20:00contain with his athleticism and his movement with to he can contain as Zion Willison.
- 20:07I'm not saying he's stopping Zion Williamson, but he can contain as Zion
- 20:11Williamson. And I do think that Stephan Curry, I don't think there's a
- 20:14guard on the on this team that can defend Stephen Curry ninety feet. Jose
- 20:19Alvarado's on the other side, but I don't think I don't think he's enough
- 20:23to stop With Stephen Curry and then plus the other pieces that we talked about,
- 20:26I still do believe that Andrew Wiggins will show up when the playoffs come
- 20:30around, and Dremond Green is gonna be there. I do think they I
- 20:33do think they know their time is coming to an end, so they're gonna
- 20:37try their hardest to win and keep moving forward, especially Steve Curry. I
- 20:40think Steve Kerr wants this team to have one last ride together. So I
- 20:44do think the Warriors are going to beat the Pelicans in this game, and
- 20:47they have the more experience going into it. So I'm not denying that at
- 20:51all the Warriors experienced championship pedigree. They definitely do have that. But I
- 20:57think that the Pelicans just defensively and what I handed at, they could they
- 21:03can stop or they have a stifling perimeter defense, interior defense. That's their
- 21:08struggle and there's not really a threat as far as with the Warriors driving to
- 21:14the rack. Occasionally you'll have you'll have Tyson Jackson, Davis, Steph Curry
- 21:19going up there, but not somebody you know consistently is going to get there.
- 21:22Their offense mostly comes from the perimeter. But you have Trey Murphy the
- 21:27third, and you have Herb Jones, who's the All defensive team. You
- 21:32have Brandon Ingram. You have Zion Williamson there, So you have four guys
- 21:37right there that that are just long, lengthy defenders that could bother Steph Curry.
- 21:44And one thing that you could do with the Warriors that you couldn't do
- 21:47in years past, you could throw the kitchen sink at Steph Curry and you
- 21:51say, alight, Klay Thompson, all right, Wiggins, al at Kaminga.
- 21:56You need to beat us. And I know that's kind of contradict what
- 22:00I said against the Kings, but the Kings they don't have the firepower the
- 22:03Pelicans do defensively, So that's why. And this is where the Warriors are
- 22:07going to run into a challenge. And again, if Draymond Green can somehow
- 22:12shut down Zion Williamson completely, then okay, I can see that, But
- 22:17you still have to deal with CJ. McCollum, You still have to deal
- 22:19with Brandon Ingram. So there's still other scores on that team. It's not
- 22:25just dependent on Zion Williamson. I do think they match it pretty well,
- 22:29though, I will say I think Brandon Potziemski and even Klay Thompson and he's
- 22:33having a good day, they can they can, they can play against a
- 22:36CJ. McCollum, and I think slow him down. And then plus I'm
- 22:38taking Andrew Wiggins right now versus Brandon Ingram just because Brandon Ingram has missed so
- 22:44much time of basketball. Okay, So I think that's a fair statement.
- 22:47I do. I do think he's still going to have to get into the
- 22:48mix mix of it all. I understand ballers or ballers, but when you
- 22:52miss a lot of the season and you go up against a guy who has
- 22:55played most of the season, and Andrew Wiggins, and especially a guy that
- 22:59I believe will show up when the when these when this when these games start,
- 23:03and Andrew Wiggins, I do think it's gonna be a tough matchup for
- 23:04Brandon Inger. See. I can definitely see that. I I can definitely
- 23:08see that. I see that. But I'm just thinking as far as offensively,
- 23:15I don't think that the Pelicans they're they're this great team. It's just
- 23:18a defense where they're that damn good. So okay, So we haven't done
- 23:26wagers or bets as far as on basketball games because it's kind of hard to
- 23:32but okay, hypothetically say Pelicans and Warriors happens. Did you want to put
- 23:36something on the line or no, m what what will we do? It
- 23:42would have to be I won't. I don't want to get you another jersey.
- 23:48I'm telling you that I can't. I'm not gonna let Cat afford another
- 23:52jersey right now. But hey, you could enjoy that Rashid Rice jersey.
- 23:57It's all right, okay, Okay, something simple, just twenty bucks.
- 24:07That's all right, We'll do twenty bucks. We'll do a cool dug on
- 24:11it. Yeah, okay, Yeah, So that's if it happens. Obviously,
- 24:15if stuff doesn't happen, then we're I gonna do I'm I'm excited about
- 24:19that one. Now, I'm ready for that. But did you want to
- 24:23go to move on to the Eastern Conference? Yeah, let's do it,
- 24:26all right. So this first Eastern Conference game that we have here is a
- 24:32Philadelphia seventy six ers versus the Miami Heat. And what's the sixers? They're
- 24:37going to be the home team here, so this this is gonna be a
- 24:41fun matchup. But Josh, who's winning this game? And why I'm gonna
- 24:47take the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and I do think they're gonna win by
- 24:49at least twelve points. I'll put it out there. I understand that Heat
- 24:56have historically good defense and they have split the series, but we're talking about
- 25:00Joel Embiid, who's hungry, I think and since and the seven Sixers have
- 25:04won eight in a row, so I do think they're doing in very high
- 25:07I understand that Heat are also seven and three in their last ten games,
- 25:11but the SEVNY seison is winning eight in a row, and they're winning all
- 25:14four games that Joel Embiid has played since coming back, where he's averaging thirty
- 25:17points, eight point three rebounds, four point eight assists, one point eight
- 25:19steals, one point three blocks, and only thirty minutes of play. I
- 25:23do think they're gonna up that, and I do think they're gonna be ready
- 25:26to play against his team. I understand Bama is having one of the best
- 25:30seasons he's ever played defensively, but yeah, when you go up against the
- 25:33guy that's more likely to score forty than thirty, I'm taking the guy that's
- 25:37more likely to score forty than thirty versus a good defender. So I'm gonna
- 25:41have to go with the seventy Sixers in this one, especially with Joel Embiid
- 25:44on fresher legs. Maybe he already got his injuries out the way and he's
- 25:47ready for the playoffs this year. Well, so a quick stat I want
- 25:51to I just want to share. I texted it to you. I don't
- 25:53know if you remember, but Joel Embiid throughout the whole NBA associate he leagues
- 26:00a league in fifty point games throughout the regular season, and he missed thirty
- 26:04five, thirty six games. That's just ridiculous there. But okay, Josh,
- 26:11So I was leaning towards the Sixers the entire time. I was like,
- 26:15Sixers have to win a game winning streak. Joel Embiid, he's back
- 26:19healthy, Tyree Snacks, he's playing good. But I just have a feeling
- 26:25that the Miami Heat they're gonna just win. They're gonna pull out this gritty,
- 26:27tough game. And Eric Sposa always has something up his sleeve. And
- 26:33I don't know what it is. You can't measure it, you can't put
- 26:37it into stats. But the Heat they always turn up come playoff time.
- 26:41They do. Nobody can explain it. It's happened these past four or five
- 26:45years. And one thing that I've that's kind of been better. Is that
- 26:52it's not so Jimmy Butler depended as far as Terry Rogier. He's his own
- 26:56shot creator, so it's not Jimmy Butler or Fell and bam ada bio.
- 27:02He's actually attempting to stretch the floor and shoot a little bit. Further.
- 27:07I know he's made I think it's like ten threes in his last thirteen games
- 27:12something like that. So he's at least attempting threes, at least stretching the
- 27:17floor. And I just think, yes, Joelle embiid, he's been he's
- 27:22been playing, but it's been against the easiest schedule in the in the NBA
- 27:26as far as all of the playoff teams. So I think the heat,
- 27:29they're gonna pull this game out. And I think this game is going to
- 27:33be in the nineties here, Josh, I see it being being like a
- 27:37ninety eight to ninety three type of ball game. I don't know if you
- 27:40have a score prediction. I did what I say, like one, I
- 27:45said, I forgot what I said, but I gave a call. You
- 27:47said by twelve something like that, Yeah, twelve, I think I said
- 27:49like one twelve to did I I don't know Okay, let's just say a
- 27:56new one. Uh yeah, one twelve to one oh four mm hmm okay,
- 28:02okay, yeah, so it's it's fairly close. But again, I
- 28:07see both of these teams they have a good chance of winning. But all
- 28:11right, so we'll just say, we'll just say, hypothetically, before we
- 28:15move into the playing game, we'll just say the Sixers advance and the Heat
- 28:19they lose this game to face the winner of this game, which it's It
- 28:23features the Chicago Bulls versus the Atlanta Hawks. And what's the Bulls? They're
- 28:30the home team here, Josh, who's winning this game? And why Chicago
- 28:36Bulls are winning this basketball game? And I'm gonna tell you why Jalen Johnson
- 28:41and onka At Congo are both out in this game. I think those are
- 28:45two big pieces that are gonna be missing for the Atlanta Hawks. And I
- 28:48do think Jalen Johnson has missed a lot of time and they have played without
- 28:52him. But I think he does so much all around on the basketball court
- 28:56that is going to be a big, a big, a big missed opportunity.
- 29:00Uh, He's just gonna be missed by the Atlanta Hawks in this game.
- 29:03And a Congo gets a lot of rebounds and he's good offensively also,
- 29:07so that's another that's another point to be made there. But I do I
- 29:11don't think this Hawks team is very motive to play with each other anymore.
- 29:14It's just there. I think there's a lot of rumors going around if who's
- 29:17gonna stay to Jean Terror Trey Young, if they're gonna get rid of either
- 29:19of them. So I do think these teams kind of realize that it is
- 29:22coming to an end, with the Atlanta Hawks and then for the Bulls too,
- 29:26but those guys that are leaving are not playing, so it's with the
- 29:32With the Hawks, I just don't think there's as much motivation as there might
- 29:34be on the Bulls, with a lot of players trying to prove themselves,
- 29:37especially into Kobe White. So I'm gonna take the Bulls on this one.
- 29:41And they have played most of the season without the without the players people may
- 29:44say, like a Zach Levine or Patrick Williams, So I do think they're
- 29:48they're they're more prepared to play this game than the Atlanta Hawks are. So
- 29:56I'm gonna go with the I'm gonna go with the Chicago Bulls. Here,
- 30:00I am, but no way, I'm kind of I'm I'm kind of I'm
- 30:03kind of scared. I'm not gonna lie. This is this is my playoff
- 30:07series right here, this is my championship right here, Josh, because this
- 30:11is the best I'm gonna see the Bulls do. So it's kind of scary
- 30:15that the Bulls they lost to the Hawks April first, and in a pretty
- 30:21dominant fashion. The scoreboard didn't say so, but like you kind of mentioned,
- 30:26and this may be a slight to this player, but Trey Young coming
- 30:30back kind of helps the Bulls here. It does because the Jontay Murray,
- 30:37when he's been the focal point of the offense, the Hawks offense has actually
- 30:41been pretty damn good. And now that Trey Young's back in the mix,
- 30:45you're kind of having him split between him and Dejonte and Trey Young. He's
- 30:48not in rhythm yet. And you could throw people at at Trey Young and
- 30:53Dejontay Murray. You have Alex Caruso, Yavon Carter, Tory Craig, I
- 30:59would assume, moud you, Vonte Green. So you have these guys that
- 31:03you could throw at them, and not to mention Damar DeRozan. He's just
- 31:07a baller in the play in so far, in the play in these last
- 31:11year, and then I think it's gonna happen this year again. He's just
- 31:14been balling. Look what he did against Toronto. I know we don't have
- 31:18Zach Lavine and Patrick Williams, but like you mentioned, we haven't had those
- 31:22players since November December, so that's not gonna be much of a factor.
- 31:27And I think that Kobe White bold prediction here. Kobe White, he drops
- 31:32thirty five plus points. Yeah, it's a bold prediction. I'm only giving
- 31:40it because it's my favorite team here. But yeah, Kobe White, he's
- 31:42gonna come through. And I think there's gonna be a bunch of points on
- 31:48the board. I don't think much defense is gonna be played here. I
- 31:52could see this game being high one twenties, maybe maybe one thirty. I'm
- 31:59not gonna lie, so I don't know if you want to give a score
- 32:02prediction here, I think I'll go and this one, I think I'm going
- 32:12to go one one, sixteen to one. Awight, I'll go pulls.
- 32:22I'll sixteen to one o eight pulls. By the way, if we happen
- 32:27to get these score predictions. Right, we need to go to Vegas right
- 32:30away. For real, we need to go to Vegas right away. I'd
- 32:34be mad that I bet on this. I'd be mad that I didn't bet.
- 32:37If they do, we do get over, right, just imagine how
- 32:40much that's what it's probably like plus ten thousand odds or No, it has
- 32:45to be more. It has to be a lot if especially if we put
- 32:49all these in like as a joint like one time bet, like if we
- 32:53put in probably twenty bucks, we'd probably make a lot of We probably make
- 32:58like over four hundred thousand for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's worth the
- 33:04shot. No, But as far as this playing game, so we both
- 33:07have the Bulls advancing, but we're gonna go into as far as what you
- 33:13think the first playoff or playing matchup would be, which would be the Blues
- 33:17on this side you have the Sixers playing the Bulls and I have the Heat
- 33:22playing the Bulls. Yeah, so we're gonna go over Bulls versus Heat first.
- 33:27Oh, I was just gonna say, I just think both of our
- 33:30guys, if our scenarios, I think the Heat or seventy six years will
- 33:32win either. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, I'm glad
- 33:37we could agree right there. If the Bulls make the playoffs, I don't
- 33:42I don't care what happens. I don't care if we get swept, and
- 33:45you shouldn't care what happens if they make the playoffs. And honestly, we've
- 33:51kind of played good against the Celtics this year. We've got we haven't won,
- 33:54we haven't won much, but we played pretty good. They've been pretty
- 33:59competitive games. And the last time and the last time we played the Celtics,
- 34:05we were the eight seed. We had Rondo, Jimmy Butler, and
- 34:07Dwayne Wade. So I don't think the Celtics want to see the Heat or
- 34:12the Celtics. So yeah, I don't think they want to play any either
- 34:16of those teams. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I think or the
- 34:21Celtics, the Heat or the seventy six Ers. Yeah, I knew what
- 34:24you meant. But I think that the Celtics they're kind of hoping that,
- 34:30well, they're they're both tough matchups. They're kind of hoping that the Sixers
- 34:35win this game and they go up against Miami again. But even at that,
- 34:39you're playing against Miami, the team that that's been dominating you over these
- 34:45past several years. So if you're in the situation of the Celtics here,
- 34:52who would you rather play the Heat or the Sixers? The Heat I don't
- 34:58want any part of Joel be going healthy playing against me in the playoff,
- 35:02especially the way Tyres Maxie is playing right now. I do not want any
- 35:06part of that team. I understand that the Heat have a good what is
- 35:10it a good like you said, they they've fared up pretty well against the
- 35:15Subjecks over the past couple of years. But the thing is, who's more
- 35:20dominant of a basketball player between any of the guys on the court is Joel
- 35:22Embiid And I do think at this point in their careers, Tyrese Maxie might
- 35:27be the second best player between both teams at this point in all their careers.
- 35:32I'm just saying he balled out this year. He played very well.
- 35:36I do think Bam might have overtaken Jimmy Butler just a little bit. I
- 35:38don't. I just don't get the same, the same, the same fear
- 35:43that around the NBA of what we're hearing that's compared to other years from the
- 35:47Miami Heat, and they are still a young team. I understand they are
- 35:50coached by one of the greatest coaches of all time, but I don't know.
- 35:54I don't know if you want to see Joel Embiid in the first round,
- 35:57who's gonna stop him? They don't have in tiar your defender Chris Prazingis
- 36:00isn't known to be a defender. He's not gonna contain Joel Embiid. So
- 36:06I do think they'd rather see the Miami Heat in the first round. You
- 36:09know what's gonna be so funny, is that Jimmy Butler. He's about to
- 36:13flip a switch. He probably will, and would I be surprised and not
- 36:17at all. But we have to go off of what we've seen so far
- 36:21this season. We've been going off what we've seen these past three four years,
- 36:25and he's been proving us wrong these entire time, for this entire time.
- 36:30But now that you kind of mention it as far as different players and
- 36:36in the postseason, we're gonna go ahead and move on to our next topic
- 36:38here. So before before the postseason officially starts, obviously you have players who
- 36:46have different pressure on them, different expectations. But there's players and coaches that
- 36:52have a lot to gain from here. So we decided to make a top
- 36:55ten list as far as players with the most to gain, And did you
- 37:00want to go ten through one or one through ten? Go ten through one,
- 37:07ten through one, Okay, so I'll go first year. And I
- 37:14kind of mentioned it with this last topic, But Jimmy Butler, he's a
- 37:17tenth player as far as somebody who has the most of the game. And
- 37:22why I would say that is, obviously, if they win a championship here,
- 37:25it'll be again another historic and unprobable run becoming a seven to eight seed
- 37:31to win, and you've already made it to two finals. And if you
- 37:36make it to the finals again and win, he's already he's already in the
- 37:42door as far as becoming a Hall of Famer, but he would become as
- 37:45far as in a different stratosphere as far as with the Lebron James Michael Jordan
- 37:52Kareem, players that elevate in the playoffs, somebody who you could say,
- 37:58all right, the playoffs start, we could count on him. Maybe he
- 38:01won't, maybe he won't be up there as far as top twenty wise all
- 38:06time, but he'll definitely be in the I would have to say he'd have
- 38:12to be top thirty. Obviously, I'm not I don't have twenty players in
- 38:15my head as far as all time, but he would definitely be up there
- 38:19with top Top thirty is pushing it. I kind of I'm kind of estimating
- 38:23here, but at okay, at bare minimum top fifty player. Let me
- 38:30name players if he hasn't, Jimmy Butler hypothetical has a championship and you can
- 38:35tell me when he'll stop. All right, okay, Michael Jordan really really
- 38:42I'm going through like my version of Top thirty. Okay, okay, how
- 38:46goes restart that? Lebron James, Michael Jordan come in to stop? Uh?
- 38:52Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Stephen
- 39:01Curry, hackem Dirk KG, Paul Pierce. Oh no, Why why did
- 39:10I think about Paul Pierce right there? Why did I think about Charles Barkley?
- 39:17So by my standards, Paul Pierce is the eleventh greatest player of all
- 39:22time? Why he come to my mind? Why did why did I think
- 39:25of we're not doing that again? That was so hard? Like I just
- 39:29started naming players bro, but doing that just like just guessing he'd have to
- 39:36become bare minimum top fifty. But I'm just guessing here, Okay, I
- 39:40can see thirty now that I don't know why Paul Pierce was on my mind
- 39:45at all. Like, I don't know how he ended up there. I
- 39:47didn't even say Larry Bird or Shack or like, fuck those guys. You
- 39:54got what you got, you got the truth, You got the truth here.
- 40:00No, but I'm saying he could possibly possibly be elevated because you you
- 40:06could just make an argument saying I'm so mad at myself right now. I'm
- 40:09like, I'm so mad that I said Paul Pierce like before. I don't
- 40:14know why, bro, Like why did I think of that? Like this
- 40:16is something Paul Pierce would do in real life. Like you, you didn't
- 40:23even get to like Dwayne Wade, you, Klay Thompson, you didn't get
- 40:29to nobody like that. You just Paul Pierce. Hell. Yeah, I
- 40:32don't know what was I don't know why in my mind he popped up Like
- 40:37we probably just lost all credibility right there. I don't know why Paul Pierce
- 40:40came to my mind. Just just a side note, Paul Pierce is not
- 40:45Josh's eleventh best player of all time, Just in case anybody's wanting he is
- 40:50not. I don't know, Like as soon as I said his name,
- 40:52I was like pause, like coulda but but yeah, Jimmy Butler, he
- 41:00would just have a case as far as one of the best playoff performers ever
- 41:06if he happens to win a championship here. But that's why he's better legacy
- 41:09than Chris Paul with a ring. No, no, I get it,
- 41:22but Chris, that's a close position. But that's close. That's something that
- 41:27you could debate here. That that's something that's damn close. That's for another
- 41:32day. Yeah, that's for another day. But who's your tenth who's your
- 41:37tenth player here, Josh, I'm gonna go with my coach. I'm gonna
- 41:40go with the coach Mark Dognall. I put him at ten. I guess
- 41:44he can be. He probably shoudn't even be on this list, honestly because
- 41:46he has so much time. But I do think him winning with the second
- 41:51youngest team in the NBA winning a championship would go long way for his career.
- 41:55I think it would put him like in that Steve Kerr and Eric Spolster
- 41:58like range where they won championship is very young. Like even I get Grip
- 42:01p Hoovich wasn't young, but he won a championship like early into his head
- 42:05coaching career. So I think it would put him like at a different level
- 42:08and have like a whole total different trajectory for his career. It'd be like
- 42:14he'd have to if he keeps winning, he's on a good pace to be
- 42:17one of the greats. Yeah, I could definitely see that. That's a
- 42:22strong case and an interesting point because especially with how young the team is.
- 42:28That's why I'm saying, like, I think he would gain a lot of
- 42:30like acknowledgement across the NBA in the sports world if he were to win a
- 42:36championship with the team of age, with the average teammates that he's dealing with.
- 42:40If Mark Dagnall wins a championship, is he better than Eric Spolsa just
- 42:45based off of this year? Just based off of this year, like this
- 42:52year alone, Like like if you'd win a championship hypothetically, I know sposure
- 42:57he has to, but just based off of this year alone, what would
- 43:00he be considered a better coach or at least in the conversation to be better
- 43:06at this point in their careers. Ah that I don't want to answer that.
- 43:13That's too hard, that's harder question. Okay, yeah, so because
- 43:16I think I think it's Pop Spostra and then like, of course you have
- 43:22Pop Billy Donovan. I know you didn't want to mention his name. Yeah,
- 43:25okay, buddy, Mike, Mike Malone, Yeah, Mike Malone,
- 43:31Darvin. I'm just kidding, definitely not darving him, Mike Malone, hailu
- 43:43that I need to look through NBA teams as far as coaches wise, m
- 43:53tomb Chris Finch, Jason Kidd. I think he's above those guy, not
- 44:01Steve Kerr. He's not above Steve Kerr. M Yeah, Nick Nurse,
- 44:10that's close. I think. Yeah, he he's definitely up there as far
- 44:15as one of them, he'd be in the top five. Mm hmm.
- 44:21So all right, So I'm I'm gonna go ahead and get on to number
- 44:23nine here. So number nine, who I have right here is Rudy Gobert.
- 44:29And he may not be up there as far as all time wise,
- 44:32but as far as legacy wise. Every time in the playoffs when a Rudy
- 44:38Gobert let team defensively wise, they always flame out in the defense. It
- 44:44doesn't become atrocious, but it's not the same. If Rudy Gobert and the
- 44:49Timberwolves win a championship, it's gonna be based on their defense. And this
- 44:53the head of the stink as far as their defense is Rudy Gobert. And
- 44:57with him having three Defensive Player of the Year potentially for after this season,
- 45:02and you add a championship to that, you could say he's one of the
- 45:07most It's gonna sound crazy, but as far as most impactful defensive players of
- 45:13all time, you you would have to say that there's he would have to
- 45:16be in the argument. There no question that's He's already in the argument.
- 45:22Just a championship would propel him so much more forward. But okay, well,
- 45:29at least what I see from the from the media wise, as far
- 45:31as everybody else, there is respect. There is Ben Wallace's and and yeah,
- 45:37White Howard there's there's not the same respect. I get that. Yeah,
- 45:43but like and I get what you're saying. I agree, Yeah,
- 45:47a championship would elevate him. I think I wouldn't say pass Ben Wallace,
- 45:54but it would be right there. It would It would be neck and neck.
- 45:58You could argue, you could argue both k and And that's why I
- 46:01think Rudy Gobert he has a lot to Dwight Howard's too high. Yeah,
- 46:06no, I was gonna say Dwight, I'm like, no, but that's
- 46:08that's too crazy. Even if he didn't lead a championship, he made it
- 46:15to the finals. Dennis Rodman. It's tricky because he was on the bad
- 46:22Boy Pistons and then obviously the m J led Bulls team. So I don't
- 46:27know, Victor, stop it, stop it all right. I'm gonna go
- 46:32with my nine. I'm gonna say my my number nine. I understand if
- 46:39he does win, he's gonna get a whole lot gained, but it's not
- 46:44as important to him to win to compare it to other people. And I'm
- 46:45gonna go with Nikola Jokic. I understand if he wins a championship and probably
- 46:52another m v P and a finals m v P again, that might that
- 46:58might prepare him until ten as soon as next year all time. I do
- 47:05really believe that because there's not other many other guys in the top ten that
- 47:08have the same resume that he would have two championships, three MVPs, right,
- 47:13three MVPs or four MVPs three three MPs. Yeah, it would be
- 47:16three yeah, two finals MVPs. It would be an historic run over the
- 47:22last four years. Basically for Nikola JOKICCH. He'd be if we want to
- 47:25take Patrick Mahomes and Nikola JOKICCH and put them next to each other, that's
- 47:29what the equivalent if Nicola JOKICCH were to win a championship, an MVP,
- 47:34and a finals MVP all in the same season, again, it would just
- 47:37add so much to his career. I don't know why he's number nine now.
- 47:40I think I just talked myself into number one. Yeah. Possibly,
- 47:45Gosh. I have a question for you. If Jokic wins the MVP and
- 47:51wins the finals, does he surpass Steph Curry as far as top ten,
- 47:55because Curry's in that top ten right now? Because Steph Curry, he has
- 48:00two MVPs to lodge one. Hold on, I have to redo my top
- 48:07ten. Hold on, let me go through my top ten. Yeah.
- 48:09Yeah, you need to redeem yourself. You need to redeem yourself here.
- 48:14I have Lebron, MJ. Freem for sure. Top three. There's Cole,
- 48:20Tim Duncan, and Magic somewhere in my four and five mm hmm.
- 48:27Then I have co back. Oh, okay, we'll be right there.
- 48:32Then this is where you can put him in. I think you can put
- 48:35him around this area like Larry. I don't know Steph, Tim Duncan,
- 48:38Larry, Tim Duncan. Well, I have Tim Duncan five. Okay,
- 48:45So there's Larry, there's Steph, there's a team. There's Kevin Garnett.
- 48:51No, he's he's already passed Kevin Garnett all time, He's already passed.
- 48:54No, I'm just listening just what people would have. And he's in an
- 48:59argument with hakem and Stephen Curry. And it's hard. It's hard to say
- 49:04because most people have Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell in their top tens. But
- 49:08it's hard to not doing that. I'm not doing that bullshit. I'm not
- 49:12doing that. I'm not doing it. Not doing that bullshit, all right,
- 49:17not doing Guys that played sixteen against sixteen teams, I'm not doing that
- 49:22against twelve teams. Not doing it. Yeah, let's let's not get into
- 49:28that we've already segregation ended two years before they joined. Like, it's not
- 49:31it doesn't work that way. I'm not no, Like, come on,
- 49:35bro, not doing it all right, I'm gonna go ahead and say my
- 49:40number eight. So number eight for me, it's gotta be Jalen Brunson for
- 49:45me, Jalen Brunson. If he could do what which is seen from last
- 49:52year, him being just seen as a star and potentially pairing with somebody else,
- 49:57and he could be a number two, potentially being the number two seed
- 50:00with all these injuries and winning a championship, it'll it'll put them put him
- 50:07up there as far as one of the best, if not the best point
- 50:09guard in the league. He's already up there on the best point guard in
- 50:13the league's conversation. But after a championship, he would have to be he
- 50:16would have to be up there just due to what happened, recency biased,
- 50:21he would have to be up there, and and the injuries. No,
- 50:23Julius Rondo, Ojiannaobi's been hurt and like and like you've been like you've been
- 50:29mentioning Jalen Brunson. It's hard to have a team just be around one player,
- 50:37and especially a guy that's undersized, so he would have to be up
- 50:42there as far as one of the better point guards in the league, if
- 50:45not the best point guard. Okay, go ahead. I don't have them
- 50:49on my list. I don't have them on my list. I think these
- 50:52other guys are probably gained a lot more because he doesn't have to win a
- 50:54ring based on what's around him. Like you said, But this is gonna
- 51:00be a very serious thing that I say right here, and it's gonna mean
- 51:04a lot. I'm curious, is he rank above Alan Iverson and Derreck Rose
- 51:10if he wins a championship. I'm just saying, they never want to ring.
- 51:15They never want to ring. And he led his team by himself to
- 51:21the championship and would have won with his second best player being Dante DiVincenzo.
- 51:30I'm just saying, Bro, I'm just saying, like it's a really real
- 51:34hypothetical question. And he's gonna win finals MVP. No one else is gonna
- 51:37win finals MVP besides Man Jalen Brunson. Man, Josh, you're pulling my
- 51:43heartstrings right here. I'm literally looking at my Derreck Rose jersey right here in
- 51:46front of me. Bro. But it's the truth. It's the truth.
- 51:52I wouldn't want to say it, but sadly it would have to be true.
- 51:55Even though he wouldn't have the MVP, he would have to be.
- 52:00He would have to be because in any other whether it's not a Luka and
- 52:04Anikola Jokic, he'd probably be the MVP. Yeah, no, I agree,
- 52:07one hundred percent. I agree. Is the number two seed in the
- 52:10Eastern Conference. Like then then Yuka was averaging a triple double and Nikola joki
- 52:19wasn't one of the greatest players to ever live. Jalen Brunton is an MVP
- 52:22any other year. That that's fair. That's fair, man. You you
- 52:28just pulled my heartstrings. I feel sad now you you mentioned my boy Derreck
- 52:32Rose, man, But I don't know's they're also trying to the same position.
- 52:37Same it's same positions, same, same kind of build around the teams.
- 52:43I wouldn't say same as far as they're in the same level. Right
- 52:46now, I'd still have Ai and Derreck Rose, but that championship would say
- 52:50it would surpass the MVP. It would it would, So yeah, all
- 52:55right, I don't know if you want to go ahead and move on to
- 52:58number eight, but yeah, I'll be number eight. I'm gonna go with
- 53:00Stephen Curry, and I think a lot of for the same reasons as a
- 53:05Nikola jokicch and even a Lebron Another ring for Stephan Curry would make five,
- 53:12right, it would be five rings. M M. That's five championships on
- 53:15your finger. And how are you not argued with the magic Tim Duncans and
- 53:21Kobe Bryant as higher than those guys are at the same level, he would
- 53:24move automatically to top five. He would be arguably top five or top six
- 53:29all time easily. I don't think there would be any debate because he's the
- 53:32greatest hard to ever live. Unanimous MVP and five championships, he's that's he'd
- 53:39probably be four. He'd probably the fourth greatest player to ever live if he
- 53:43won another championship in Stephen Curry, especially with an aging team that he's playing
- 53:46around against with a bunch of youngsters. So this is really Stephan Stean on
- 53:51Stephan Curry's back right now. It's not on anyone else's but his. So
- 53:55I do think him winning a championship would put him in a whole different conversation
- 53:59and the whole different company and could be argued, I get having KD on
- 54:05his team would be a pretty big argument for most people, which is an
- 54:09argument for everybody about their teammates around them. People will still argue, oh,
- 54:13Tim Duncan had one of the greatest teams of all times every single year
- 54:17in his career. Michael Jordan had Scottie Pippen, and Lebron had no one
- 54:22and nobody, you know, So I'm just kidding. He had Kyrie and
- 54:29Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh like he formed super teams, and then it Magic
- 54:34had Kareem So there couldn't be an argument really for that. So it'll be
- 54:38even playing ground, it'll be even playing around. I do think him winning
- 54:42a championship would elevate him to a top five status or even close to being
- 54:45considered a top three player all time. It would be one of the most
- 54:51dominant runs because look, best case scenario is the eight seed. They would
- 54:54have to beat the Kings, then the Pelicans or Lakers. Then you'd have
- 54:59to beat the thunder then the Mavericks are Clippers, and then you'd probably face
- 55:04the Nuggets, Nuggets, Lakers, Sons, or Timberwolves and then you go
- 55:08into the finals and potentially play the Celtics again. That would be two championships
- 55:15where you're massive underdogs and you find a way to win. So I could
- 55:22definitely see that. I could definitely see that. And top five. It's
- 55:25hard to it's hard to deny. I don't know. I so I have
- 55:32Kobe three. I have Kobe three online. But okay, I'll say this,
- 55:37Okay, I'll say this. I'm kind of a little biased here because
- 55:40I am a Kobe fan. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a big time
- 55:45Kobe fan. So that's why I have him so high. But he would
- 55:51he would have to be in the bro he would have to be in the
- 55:54debate with Kobe. He would have to be. He would have to be,
- 55:59because no would they would both have five championships. He clears him in
- 56:02MVPs and is not the greatest. Okay, Kobe's not the greatest in a
- 56:09singular thing, but he's so dominant in everything. Yeah, but I think
- 56:17being the greatest shooter to ever live when the job is to shoot the basketball,
- 56:23I think Stephan Curry would elevate. But Stephan Curry has handles. Kobe
- 56:30might get to the rim better than Stephan Curry. Does he get to the
- 56:32rim better than Stephen Curry? I don't know. I think Stephan Curry is
- 56:37one of the best finishers of all time if you really go back and watch
- 56:40his game, especially at his size in today's NBA where the point guard now
- 56:45is six foot five, six foot six, and he's still doing what he's
- 56:47doing at six foot two, six foot three. I do think there's a
- 56:51separation. Yeah, it would have to be a tough conversation. Man,
- 56:55if some of this stuff happens, it's gonna be it's gonna be some heated
- 56:59debate on Twitter. It is there is, Yeah, there already is.
- 57:06But I'm gonna go ahead and get into number seven here. So this person
- 57:09would be a for sure top twenty player all time and would be the only
- 57:15thing that he's missing from his resume, and that's James Harden. If James
- 57:20Harden wins a championship, he will officially have everything and potentially be known as
- 57:27one having some of the most dominant stretches. And well, he already has
- 57:31some of the most dominant stretches in NBA history, but adding a championship to
- 57:36that resume, no matter how it's done. Even if he's the number three
- 57:39on a team, he would be looked at very differently. He would be
- 57:45looked at, for sure, better than d Wade. I would say that
- 57:47he's already looked at as far as on the same playing field as d Wade,
- 57:52and d Wade's looked at him. He's a better player than d Wade,
- 57:54but he's not better all yeah. Yeah, And I think if you
- 57:59add that championship, you could argue him over d Wade, which would be
- 58:04the third the third, yeah, the third best shooting guard of all time.
- 58:08It would be it would have to be is he a shooting guard or
- 58:12a point guard? Okay, I'll say this when he was point he's a
- 58:17point guard. Yeah, But would most people remember him as a shooting guard
- 58:23because of his Houston days, I don't know. In Houston he was he
- 58:28was averaging triple doubles, like, oh, not averaging drible doubles, but
- 58:31he was getting triple doubles on a nightly or getting double doubles on a night
- 58:35the basis. But he he's still he's still a two guard. He he
- 58:39goes an assist in Houston, Yeah, he did. No, I'm not
- 58:45I'm not acting like you can't argue he's a point guard, but shooting guard
- 58:49wise, people would argue more shooting guard. Yeah, for what he came
- 58:53into the league as a shooting guard. Yeah, I can see that.
- 58:57I can see him being three. Okay, So yeah, that that's number
- 59:00seven for me. So who's seven for you? The entire is kind of
- 59:05on the same playing field. The entire Los Angeles Clippers team would be number
- 59:08seven for me. Perfect Kawhi and Paul George are together because they were brought
- 59:19here four years ago. Right, four years ago, we're already five years
- 59:22into this, So four years they came in four years ago have yet have
- 59:27shown anything of improvement for the Los Angeles Clippers. From the Blake Griffin and
- 59:31Chris Paul days to the now, they all end at the same point in
- 59:36the playoffs every single year. So that would go a long way because they
- 59:39had a job to bring a championship to Los Angeles Clippers and they still have
- 59:43yet to do that. And then Russell Westbrook, also we're forgetting, would
- 59:47go a long way winning an NBA championship as much as it would James Harden.
- 59:52All these guys would be argued in the Top twenty. There'd be four
- 59:54players argued in the Top twenty from this one basketball team if they all win
- 59:59a championship one more time. And I do think Kawhi Leonard would have three
- 1:00:01rings, so it put him a little higher than all three of them.
- 1:00:05But that top ten like not there. But but the thing is, what's
- 1:00:09gonna hurt him no MVPs. Yeah, and he and he averages less than
- 1:00:15these three guys in every category besides defense. Mm yeah, okay, that's
- 1:00:22that's crazy. It's Kawhi Leonard even the best player on his team. That's
- 1:00:28a that's another day. That's another day. But yeah, yeah, that
- 1:00:30that's another day. Yeah, another topic. But all four of those guys,
- 1:00:36we go Russ Westbrook, James Harden, Paul George, those three for
- 1:00:38sure, because they have no rings. Winning a ring would adds so much
- 1:00:42to each of their legacies that it would be unfathomable. And then Kawhi Leonard
- 1:00:46having his third ring would do a lot for him also. So the entire
- 1:00:50Clipper squad is number seven for me. That that's very interesting right there.
- 1:00:55So I'm gonna take a little bit of a different route here. So number
- 1:00:59six, Yeah, TJ. McConnell. So number six is Doc Rivers for
- 1:01:08me, and people may be thinking Doc Rivers. He won a championship in
- 1:01:15two thousand and eight with the Boston Celtics, but everybody knows if you really
- 1:01:19knew what happened, Tom Thibodeau was really coaching that team there, let's be
- 1:01:22honest, and that was the first one of the first super teams to be
- 1:01:29created. As far as with that Big Three and Doc Rivers just his legacy,
- 1:01:34I don't know exactly how many, but I think four to three to
- 1:01:37one leads that are blown and then you have then you have like six three
- 1:01:42to two series lead blown. And so if you win with the Milwaukee Bucks,
- 1:01:47who you got or when you got hired mid season for Adrian Griffin,
- 1:01:52and you find a way to win a championship, that's gonna do a lot
- 1:01:54for you. It's gonna take the monkey off of your back because you need
- 1:01:59to keep her dem in yourself as far as in the sports business, and
- 1:02:01he hasn't done that in a while. So Doc Rivers winning the championship,
- 1:02:06that would definitely do a lot for his legacy. I agree. I do
- 1:02:12think it would do a lot for him because they do ride that two thousand
- 1:02:14and eight championship like nobody's business. So him winning two championships would put him
- 1:02:22in a in a pretty in a good class. He would be in a
- 1:02:24great class, immediate hall of I think he would be a Hall of famer
- 1:02:28for sure winning another ring. His legacy would be cemented if he won another
- 1:02:32championship. Yeah all right, Yeah, So who's number six for you?
- 1:02:37Number six for me is Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. They're both number six
- 1:02:42for me. They're both I think both of them have the same amount to
- 1:02:45gain if they win a championship because they've been together for so long. Understand
- 1:02:49they're still young, but they've been together for almost eight years already, seven
- 1:02:52years, eight years already. Yeah, So them winning a ring and building
- 1:02:55this team around them to them two specifically, I get Jason Tatum. It's
- 1:03:00this quote unquote star of the team. But we're in reality it's a two
- 1:03:04man show. It's Jylen Brown and the Jason Tatum team. It's not just
- 1:03:07one or the other. So then winning a ring would help them out quite
- 1:03:09a bit because they're consistently the number one seed, the number two seed in
- 1:03:14the entire Eastern Conference, but they never and they've come close to winning it
- 1:03:17a couple of times, getting to a championship, but them winning would help
- 1:03:23them out a lot, and it would kind of put a rest on a
- 1:03:25little bit of for them on them for a little bit because there's so much
- 1:03:30pressure from the media from NBA, even for me personally as a podcaster,
- 1:03:35for them to win a championship. Yeah. So I don't want to get
- 1:03:39in too much Jason Tatum because I have him somewhere on my list. I'm
- 1:03:45not gonna reveal where, but I have him somewhere, but I'm gonna just
- 1:03:47go and move on to the next one because I'm gonna talk about it in
- 1:03:51a second. But so now that we're getting to the top five, hor
- 1:03:54texting Kobe right now? All right, So number five I have right here
- 1:04:02is Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant has a lot to gain if he wins a
- 1:04:08championship here. Yes, I know it could be a quote unquote super team,
- 1:04:12but it hasn't been up to the Brooklyn level or definitely not the Golden
- 1:04:15State level, and this would be the first team as far as where he
- 1:04:20leads a championship just so well, not solely off of him, but where
- 1:04:25he's the number one guy in Golden State. Let's not get it twisted.
- 1:04:29Stephan Curry was the number one guy there. Yes, Kevin Durant might have
- 1:04:31had the better stats, but Stephan Curry was getting all the damn attention,
- 1:04:35and Klay Thompson was in his prime. Draymond Green was in his prime.
- 1:04:40If Kevin Durant wins this, he for sure cements himself as far as I
- 1:04:45know. We keep mentioning top ten, but they would It would be damn
- 1:04:49hard to keep him out of the top ten. Kevin Durant if he wins
- 1:04:53this championship with the Phoenix Suns, yeah we're I don't have him on my
- 1:04:59list only because I just feel like a lot of these other guys, I
- 1:05:01probably should put them at ten, honestly above coach above Coach Dagnall. But
- 1:05:06that's for another day. But I'm just gonna agree, like we're saying a
- 1:05:11lot of these players are close to the top ten, because they are,
- 1:05:15you know, so winning another ring would add so much. Like with the
- 1:05:17James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, It's almost like all three of
- 1:05:20those guys from that one team have paved out really good careers for themselves.
- 1:05:27So they're all MVPs. They all are insanely good at what they do.
- 1:05:32Russell Westbrook being triple double king aggression MVP, making teams every team better that
- 1:05:40he's played on, James Harden being probably the greatest one of the if the
- 1:05:44greatest, if not top five greatest scorers to ever live, and then Kevin
- 1:05:46Duranck possibly being the greatest scorer to ever live based off a pure game standpoint,
- 1:05:53not talking about like statisticals and like on a game in game out basis,
- 1:05:57but if you watch him play basketball, you understand how he gets to
- 1:06:00his shot. Him winning another ring and adding that to his resume that's already
- 1:06:04great, would just add a lot to him. Yeah, for oh,
- 1:06:10go ahead, I was gonna go for my number five, so you can,
- 1:06:14okay. So one last thing I want to say is that, so
- 1:06:16Kevin Durant, everybody I know he has championships, but the biggest thing they
- 1:06:21say is you haven't won outside of Golden State, who already won a championship
- 1:06:26before you. So if he wins in Phoenix, where he brought up the
- 1:06:30quote unquote culture and brought up that team, that organization to win a championship,
- 1:06:35their first championship. It'll do so it would be twice as much as
- 1:06:41when he won twice in Golden State. Honestly, it would to everybody,
- 1:06:44to the media, at least to me, I think at least for you,
- 1:06:46Josh, after hearing what you say, but you go ahead and move
- 1:06:49on to your fifth. Number five for me is coach Stibbs, coach Dibudeo
- 1:06:56New York Knicks. For y'all that w't know, go Bulls legend. He
- 1:07:01has has held his next team in check. I think Timberwolves, right,
- 1:07:06yeah, yeah, he was great. He was great coach for the Timberwolves
- 1:07:10also, especially with what he had to deal with and the talent he had
- 1:07:14there. He has been nothing short but a great coach in his entire NBA
- 1:07:18career. Just been dealt really bad hands and it's the truth. He loses.
- 1:07:23Derick Rose deals with the kind of a younger, up and coming Timberwolves
- 1:07:27team has to put that all together with a cat I believe Zach Lavine Andrew
- 1:07:30Wiggins when all of them were there, he had to put that together then
- 1:07:33kind of create this little thing that they got going on now he was kind
- 1:07:36of the sacrificial lamb, and then now going on with the New York Knicks,
- 1:07:42having to deal with injuries to a Julius Randall, to uh Mitchell Robinson
- 1:07:45and having to rely solely on another point guard to get you through with Jalen
- 1:07:50Brunson. I do think no one disregards what Thibodeaux does in his career.
- 1:07:57Everyone gives him all the respect in the world when you listen to the bouncers
- 1:08:00talk. But the thing that he is missing on his resume. He's been
- 1:08:02Coach of the Year a couple of times, I think so. I do
- 1:08:06think what he is missing is that championship, and that championship for him would
- 1:08:12put him right up there. I don't. I do think he's a better
- 1:08:15coach than Doc Rivers. I will say that. I do think he is,
- 1:08:18and I think that will elevate him above a Doc Rivers, and possibly
- 1:08:23he it will do a lot for him. I'm not saying he'll be in
- 1:08:26the Gretkovich, Eric Spolstra's, Phil Jackson's, he won't be in that area,
- 1:08:31but he will for sure put him pat Riley's. He for sure will
- 1:08:36edge himself in basketball history. If he wins a championship, yeah, most
- 1:08:42definitely he would. He would be that second tier, that second or third
- 1:08:45tier, and you could argue he does he's kind of like Eric Spostra as
- 1:08:50far as does more with less, because Steve Kerr, Phil Jackson, Greg
- 1:08:57Popovich, pat Riley, they they were great, damn coaches, one of
- 1:09:01the best coaches of all time. But they always had that top tier talent.
- 1:09:05They had great, great luck with healthy players also, yeah, exactly.
- 1:09:11And Tom Thibodeau he hasn't had that even this year. So yeah,
- 1:09:15I could definitely see that case and he would be a Hall of Fame level
- 1:09:17coach. But okay, this is way it starts getting interesting here now that
- 1:09:24we've reached that top five. Number four right here would be Joel Embiid.
- 1:09:29For me, Joel Embiid hasn't made it past the second round throughout his entire
- 1:09:34career, and if he could, and if he could win a championship after
- 1:09:40getting hurt in mid season, come back eight games left in the regular season
- 1:09:45and become a playing team and make it all the way to the championship,
- 1:09:47have this dominant run, then you would have to argue this is the most
- 1:09:51dominant two year stretch of Joel Embiid's career, or just you could argue with
- 1:09:58it with anybody else. Because you go from MVP last year to potentially win
- 1:10:02the championship after being hurt, that's something you don't hear of. And it's
- 1:10:08a very damn good possibility, possibility that it can happen, because he's just
- 1:10:13that damn dominant. And I wouldn't say all time it would it would bump
- 1:10:18him up so much, but for sure top top thirty, maybe twenty because
- 1:10:26he he's still arguing for MVPs. He's still young in his career, so
- 1:10:30that's why I think he'd be the fourth most again. Yeah, for me,
- 1:10:33number four, it's gonna be Dame Dollar, Damian Lillard. You leave
- 1:10:38Portland, you join a contender, join a former MVP and Giannis, you
- 1:10:43join Chris Middleton, Brook Lopez, guys with experience. You join Adrian Griffin
- 1:10:46who leaves, and then Doc rivers. So I'm just throwing slugs at FONNSA,
- 1:10:51right, Yeah, Yeah, Adrian Griffith left he was too good for
- 1:10:55the bus. No, he didn't leave, he got he got, he
- 1:10:58got fired. I was gonna say a word. Before that, I would
- 1:11:00say effing fired. But we're we're a We're a family podcast here, So
- 1:11:06now he said some pretty outlantic Steam said, But No. Number four for
- 1:11:15me would be Damian Lillard. I understand people already regard him as one of
- 1:11:17the greatest shooters of all time. Not greatest obviously, but he's up there,
- 1:11:23probably second third around that Klay Thompson, Ray Allen area of people consider
- 1:11:27Damian Lillard, especially as a clutch performer. He has to win a ring.
- 1:11:32I do think that the Bucks have probably the most pressure on them.
- 1:11:35That's why I have two of them in the top four. So I'm gonna
- 1:11:40go with Damian Lillard right here. It's gonna be It would do a lot
- 1:11:44for his career winning a championship, because no one disregards the talent, no
- 1:11:47one disregards disregards the hard work. What he has been through in his career
- 1:11:53is just you haven't got it done. And I understand you haven't been dealt
- 1:11:56the best circumstances being on the Trailblazers, but you made this move. You
- 1:12:00wanted this move to win a championship. And if you don't win a championship,
- 1:12:04that's gonna be looked at as like, so what was all that for?
- 1:12:09So it kind of segues into mind perfectly. So I have Dame number
- 1:12:13three, but I have an analogy here, Damian Lillard. He's looked at,
- 1:12:18or he would be looked at if he didn't win a championship as the
- 1:12:21same level as Carmelo Anthony, two greaton scorers who were just dominant were on
- 1:12:30this crazy team. Obviously, Dame he has a chance that well, Melo
- 1:12:34had a chance to anyways. But to the same extent, Melo was always
- 1:12:40the best player on his team. Damian Liler is not the best player on
- 1:12:43his team anymore. But nine times out of ten, if you put Dame
- 1:12:46on any other team, he is the most Like, yeah, he most
- 1:12:50likely is the best player. Giannis, he's looking like he's on a trajectory
- 1:12:55for top fifteen player. Ever, so it's kind of hard to be better
- 1:12:59than you're honest, But still him winning the championship, it'll just surpass that
- 1:13:04Carmelo level because that's where he's at right now. And we know how they
- 1:13:09viewed Carmelo. He would be in that area. Oh yeah, you love
- 1:13:15Mellow, Yeah, he would be around that. He would so, now
- 1:13:20that I got who's number three for you? Yeah, that's weird to think
- 1:13:26about. He would be like, I'm just saying this is totally off topic,
- 1:13:29but he would be in that ewing nash mellow like he would be in
- 1:13:33that area of players. Yeah, for sure he would. Well I would
- 1:13:38I be oh, go ahead, go ahead, Okay, yeah, go
- 1:13:43ahead. Number three is Joel embiid a lot for the same reasons you said.
- 1:13:47But the thing is for me, I said it last week. We've
- 1:13:48been trusting the process for ten years now. So when if the process is
- 1:13:54going to be fulfilled you you've had many talent around you. It's not like
- 1:13:59you've been with that out talented players Jimmy Butler, James Harden. Now you
- 1:14:03have a Tyres Maxie emerging. You've had to Bias Harris, who is a
- 1:14:09great role player. I get that name is gonna be like to buya his
- 1:14:12Harris, But if you watch basketball, you know he's a big It's a
- 1:14:15big role that he plays on a team led by Joel Embiid. So and
- 1:14:19so now you have to win. You have been ridiculed with injury going into
- 1:14:27every single playoffs you play. You haven't showed up in some of the big
- 1:14:30moments. Your team has fallen short, and you've been saying every year,
- 1:14:33we're gonna get it done, We're gonna get it done. We're gonna get
- 1:14:35it done. And you've gone through a couple of coaching changes, so it's
- 1:14:40gonna have to happen. It's gonna him doing this already being regarded as probably
- 1:14:45the best scorer in basketball. Adding this to him adding a ring would do
- 1:14:50wonders, especially having an MVP and then possibly you getting a Finals MVP.
- 1:14:56Entering it would add a lot to your legacy. Yeah, yeah, I
- 1:15:00know, it definitely would. And now that I'm thinking about it, he
- 1:15:02would be on that mellow territory too. I'm not gonna lie, well he
- 1:15:06would be or Steve Nash territory m v P. Yeah he would. Yeah,
- 1:15:13he would be in that Steve Nash area. But I'm not gonna get
- 1:15:16much into Joel Embiid because if I can see that, I can definitely see
- 1:15:25that right there, both have the same one m v P. Yeah.
- 1:15:30Yeah, great offensive scores. Yeah, I see that. That's that's actually
- 1:15:35perfect right there. But thank you, great analogy. But number two right
- 1:15:45here, Luka Doncic, Luka Doncic has one. He's in a he's in
- 1:15:54a situation where it's high risk, low reward. Here if they lose,
- 1:16:00was like, okay, well, the Nuggets were supposed to win, the
- 1:16:02Celtics were supposed to win. If he happens to win, If he happens
- 1:16:08to win, Luka Doncic would be on a trajectory for one of the greatest
- 1:16:13players of all time. He would be because he's in year five right now.
- 1:16:18Michael Jordan, Lebron James. They didn't win till year eight around that
- 1:16:23time, and Kobe Kobe was a little bit younger, year four or five,
- 1:16:28but Kobe obviously wasn't leading. Luka Doncic would be the number one player
- 1:16:33and leading a team to a championship and kind of levels to Jimmy Butler,
- 1:16:39but even higher. He would be considered one of the greatest playoff performers ever,
- 1:16:45already into his career, already five years in, because every time he's
- 1:16:48made the playoffs, he's cooked. He has and if he happens to win,
- 1:16:56so he goes from the first year losten to the Clippers in the bubb
- 1:17:00then the following year. I believe he lost to the Clippers again, then
- 1:17:04he makes to the Western Conference Finals, misses it last year, and then
- 1:17:09you go on to win a championship. That's that's improvement every single time.
- 1:17:15And it would be hard to look at Luka Doncic as not the best player
- 1:17:19in the league, and with Nikola Jokics, with the Giannis in the league,
- 1:17:25you would have to view Luca as the best player in the league.
- 1:17:28So that's why he's number two for me. The reason why I didn't put
- 1:17:31Luca on my list because I think it's more on the MAVs to win a
- 1:17:33championship than it is on Luca. I don't think anyone's doubting Luca's I don't
- 1:17:39think anyone's doubting Luca's hard to say talent at all. Like, you can't
- 1:17:44watch a basketball game that Luka Doncins plays and tell me that guy's not good.
- 1:17:47You can't tell me that that guy is the problem, because when you
- 1:17:50watch him play, that guy's just different animal. When he's out there,
- 1:17:56it looks so silky smooth. When you watch Luka donct play basketball, it's
- 1:18:00insane. I do think it's more on the MAVs because you miss the playoffs
- 1:18:03with the Luca on your team the year, last year, and then this
- 1:18:06year you try your hardest to you resigned Kyrie, You bring in a Daniel
- 1:18:12Gafford, a PJ. Washington, you have some Derek, you draft Derek
- 1:18:15Lively. You tried, but it still wasn't enough. You still have ye
- 1:18:20possibly one of the greatest point guards of all time next to him, and
- 1:18:24it still wasn't enough. So there has to come to a point where you
- 1:18:26realize we're the problem. So I think that's why it's more on the MAVs
- 1:18:29to win a championship than it is Luca Donchs because no one's going to disregard
- 1:18:31his legacy if he if he loses or doesn't this year, if he wins
- 1:18:35or loses this year. Yeah, I'm just saying it. Yeah, if
- 1:18:41he happens to win it, it's gonna be levels and question. I want
- 1:18:45to ask you this right now. No, would Luca. So if Luca
- 1:18:50wins a championship, would he be better than Derek in Maverick's history. No,
- 1:19:00Okay, we're not going to get into that somewhat on the pod,
- 1:19:03but no, No, for different reasons why. But yeah, I just
- 1:19:10want to ask that. I don't know. They kind of have to be
- 1:19:12on the same playing field. But the thing is, Dirk didn't have a
- 1:19:14Kyrie irving next to him. I don't know, I don't know. That's
- 1:19:17just yeah, I feel like that's a fair statement. Uh huh, it
- 1:19:23is you. It would be hard not to argue against it. It would
- 1:19:29because Luca. I think Luca needs a little bit more. I just think
- 1:19:33Luca they played in different eras. I'm pretty sure Dirk, if he played
- 1:19:39in today's NBA it would suit his game a thousand times more. Yeah,
- 1:19:45but but again, you you can't do the hypotheticals. It's just no,
- 1:19:48you can't. You can't. But I don't know. It'd be close,
- 1:19:53it'd be super It'd be an argument. There'd be an argument to be made.
- 1:19:56It would be close, all right. Who's number two for you?
- 1:20:00Number two for me is gonna be Lebron James because he one's another ring.
- 1:20:02He solidified himself as the NBA's greatest basketball player to ever live on the face
- 1:20:06of the planet, in the history of the world, in the universe basketball
- 1:20:10player. I don't just I don't disagree with you at all. Being to
- 1:20:16explain anymore, why Lebron winning another championship would would put him Man, Jordan
- 1:20:24fans would be going crazy. Man, it would be the end of the
- 1:20:26world for him. No, but that that doesn't need that doesn't need much
- 1:20:32explanation. It's Lebron. He's already one of the goats. He would be.
- 1:20:38I think he's clear cut. I think he is to goat. But
- 1:20:41he would be the goat. Yeah. There would be no arguments, all
- 1:20:45right, So I'm gonna get into them. From an especially from an eighth
- 1:20:48seed, from an eighth from a seventh or eighth seed, Yeah, and
- 1:20:54beating the finally beating the Nuggets, then going through who would it be the
- 1:20:58Sons or Timberwolves, and potentially the toughest Western Conference of all time if he
- 1:21:03were to you would yeah, it will be one of the hardest roads to
- 1:21:06a championship ever. It would be. But all right, number one for
- 1:21:14me, Number one for me as far as the player with the most to
- 1:21:19gain from winning the championship, exactly, Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum would would
- 1:21:29have the most to gain from winning the championship. And the reason why I
- 1:21:32say this is because Jason Tatum, he has the mold of a superstar he
- 1:21:40he has. He has the ability to become a top three player in the
- 1:21:44league, one of the best players in the league. He hasn't proved that
- 1:21:46yet. He's been damn close plenty of times. He's been to the Eastern
- 1:21:51Conference Championship four or five times. And if he gets over the hump this
- 1:21:56year with being one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time,
- 1:22:02it's facts the third best net rating and NBA history. You do that throughout
- 1:22:08the regular season and you go on to win a championship, you would have
- 1:22:12to be regarded as a superstar player. And why it's the most of the
- 1:22:15game is because everybody they they hate on Jason Tatum. Let's be real.
- 1:22:21The only reason why the Celtics they're not viewed as high, or they're not
- 1:22:27championship favorite, or they are a Vegas wise, but by the consensus by
- 1:22:31the public, everybody thinks Denver's gonna win it. If Jason Tatum wins this
- 1:22:36championship, it's gonna be hard not to see the Celtics win another two to
- 1:22:42three championships in his career. And also, he would be better than Paul
- 1:22:46Pierce. So I'm just saying that I'm gonna Bleacher Report right now and it
- 1:22:57says Paul Pierce he's a sixth best Celtics of Celtic of all time. All
- 1:23:01right, just doing Bill Russell, Larry Bird, Kevin mckel Would you have
- 1:23:13halcheck up there? Yeah, Bob Coosey. I mean, they've only won
- 1:23:24what three championships in the last forty years, so it have to be like
- 1:23:28they have to be up there. I mean you have to put the guys
- 1:23:30and the old guys in there. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
- 1:23:34That's true. Okay, we'll go on, keep going on. Number Number
- 1:23:42one for me is Giannis and Tosa Kumbo. He's gonna be the number one
- 1:23:48player for me of winning a championship. And I'm only gonna say this because
- 1:23:55he's a multiple, multiple time MVP. He has a championship. But I
- 1:23:59think a lot of the stuff that it does for Jo Kisch why I talked
- 1:24:01myself into probably I should put Yokich a lot higher. For gaming, it's
- 1:24:05the same thing it would be for Giannis on the exact same for the exact
- 1:24:11same reasons that it would elevate them to a different standard of basketball and Top
- 1:24:15ten arguments all the way around. I do think for Ay, honest,
- 1:24:18especially because how young he is still he is not an old player, honest,
- 1:24:23is still not an old player. He's like twenty seven, I believe,
- 1:24:26twenty seven twenty eight years old now, so he still has a lot
- 1:24:29of basketball left to be played, and winning another championship would probably propel him
- 1:24:33back to being probably the best player in basketball, and he would be arguably
- 1:24:41one of the greatest defenders of all time and greatest players of all time if
- 1:24:44he were to win another ring. Yeah, it's hard to disagree with that.
- 1:24:48And he was argued after his championship against the Suns he was already kind
- 1:24:55of up there as far as top ten conversations. He was, thank you,
- 1:25:00him and Jokic, they're on the same level. It's whoever wins first.
- 1:25:04I'm not gonna lie whoever wins the next championship first, They're gonna get
- 1:25:09that none because what helps is that they they played in the same era and
- 1:25:14they could potentially be in a finals matchup against each other. But let's go
- 1:25:19it, and let's go it and relist our top ten. So number ten,
- 1:25:23I have Jimmy Butler, nine, Rudy Gobert eight, Jalen Brunson seven,
- 1:25:28James Harden six, Doc Rivers five, Kevin Durant four, Joel Embiid
- 1:25:32three, Damian Lillard two, Luka Doncic and one Jason Tatum okay for me
- 1:25:41ten, Mark Dognall number nine, Nikola Jokic number eight, Stephen Curry number
- 1:25:46seven, the Los Angeles Clippers number six, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown number
- 1:25:53five, Tom Thibodeaux number four, Damian Lillard number three, Joel Embiid number
- 1:25:59two, bron number one. Be honest. Mm hmm. All right,
- 1:26:02well, there're different players on the list, but they all have damn good
- 1:26:06cases. But let's go. Let's go to move into this fantasy draft right
- 1:26:12here. Josh, So you got to cook you a game. Could don't
- 1:26:15lie, don't lie, don't lie. I'm kind of I'm kind of whooping
- 1:26:18your ass right now when it comes to fantasy drafts. No, the last
- 1:26:23one I won easily, easily. Last one it was the College n c
- 1:26:29A CHA n C Double A Championship. I won that one easily. Bro.
- 1:26:32No, you didn't know, you didn't. I have the teams right
- 1:26:36here. Let me go see I can find it. Bro, I have
- 1:26:39the teams too. Yeah, I got receipts too. I got receipts to
- 1:26:45Brunson, Mellow, Horford, A D. James Worthy, Michel Bridges,
- 1:26:51bro Magic, Magic, h Hill, injured m there's a mask nickname Thomas
- 1:27:02Bill, Russell, Kimball Walker, Shan Bay, Shane Batty, and Patrick
- 1:27:06Ewing. And my coach is John Wooden. I think I'm winning that basketball
- 1:27:11game. Bro. No you're not, Bro, No you're not. But
- 1:27:13the other one, you don't see the other one before that one? Who
- 1:27:15won that one? We're not gonna talk about that one. Yeah, exactly
- 1:27:18exactly. That will that will fuck me over. That will fuck me over.
- 1:27:24It did, it did? But all right, So the criteria for
- 1:27:29this fantasy draft is playing teams only, so it includes the Pelicans, Lakers,
- 1:27:35Warriors, Kings, Heat, Sixers, Hawks, and Wolves roster.
- 1:27:42So, Josh, are they all fully healthy? That's my question? Yes,
- 1:27:45they're all fully healthy? Okay, Okay, So Josh, it's it's
- 1:27:55your call, heads or tails here, and is this based off this year
- 1:27:58or career base based off of Okay, we'll do it like this. How
- 1:28:03they're playing right now, how they're playing right now? Okay, that'll it'll
- 1:28:09be easier. Yeah, okay, So Josh heads Er tells for you,
- 1:28:14uh tails, give me the boogie, Hey, sirih flip a coin.
- 1:28:21It's tells. So you get the first give me Joel embiids. That was
- 1:28:30I feel like that was simple there. I would have went the other way
- 1:28:35if we were doing careers, obviously. But yeah, So for my point
- 1:28:43guard right here, I'm gonna have to go with the man, the myth,
- 1:28:49the legend, the goat, Lebron James at my point. Le Bron,
- 1:28:58all right, I'm about this whole thing up at my four. Give
- 1:29:00me Anthony Davis. You just let me get Lebron and Steph Curry on the
- 1:29:05same team. That's all right. No one's scoring on the interior. Nah,
- 1:29:14that that's that's true. You put a d Yeah, you're putting Curry
- 1:29:20at the two, Yeah, because I put Lebron at the one. Yeah.
- 1:29:25He can. He's a good off ball player. Yeah, okay,
- 1:29:29all right, all right, now we started draft. Now we started draft.
- 1:29:33Okay, Josh, who's your next pick here? All right? Crap,
- 1:29:41this is where strack comes in. This is where strack comes in.
- 1:29:45It's all about strategy. It's a tough choice. I'm trying to good players.
- 1:29:54There's there's a lot of good players. Yeah, there definitely is.
- 1:30:00You know what, I can wait on point guard. There's a lot of
- 1:30:01good point guards. Lift mm hmm. At my three, give me Jimmy
- 1:30:06Butler. That that's a damn good pick. So I'm gonna kind of do
- 1:30:13this out of need. Wise, it may be somewhat of a reach.
- 1:30:19Give me give me Bam at my four. That's where I expected you to
- 1:30:25go, honestly, Yeah, because I couldn't afford for you to put Bam
- 1:30:30on your bench, and I'm fucked. Yeah, you would have had no
- 1:30:34height or he's not even that tall, but you would have had a good
- 1:30:39a great defender, yeah, a good interior defender. Yeah. Mm hmm.
- 1:30:47Oh wait, can I change it? I can I move Bam to
- 1:30:49my five? Yeah, I don't know why I put him at my four.
- 1:30:57Okay, this is a little tougher, a little tough for I think
- 1:31:10I already know where I'm going with my next pick. Give me Austin Reeves
- 1:31:16as my two as your two. Yeah, okay, need some shoes,
- 1:31:25so this is just gonna be a defensive move right here. Give me Draymond
- 1:31:30Green at my four. That's a good move. That's a good move because
- 1:31:35because he could actually guard a D, he could actually guard him. So
- 1:31:41yeah, I got that covered for the most part. Crap, Do I
- 1:31:45go Baron or Dijone? That is a tough choice because Dejonte facilitator, rebounder,
- 1:31:57defender for suret or because I need he All he has to do is
- 1:32:00get the ball to a D and Joel Embiid. Yeah, Trey Young doesn't
- 1:32:05defend. That's why I'm not going Trey Young. But the Aaron Fox facilitates
- 1:32:11and plays offense, but his defense isn't as strong as de Jonte's. Yeah,
- 1:32:15his offensive ceilings way higher than Dejonte's though. Yeah, But defensively that's
- 1:32:23where Jontay he has an edge. That's a tough choice. Crap, crap,
- 1:32:31crap, crap, tough choice. Tough choice, oh man, that
- 1:32:41could make or break a team right there. Your decision, Your decision.
- 1:32:46Give me Daron Fox. Okay, so I'm gonna take this guy just on
- 1:32:55purpose. Give me Tyree Smacksy as my six man. Nice, Okay,
- 1:33:06Now give me de Jonty has my six man just in case I want to
- 1:33:10sub him. Out. So give me Zion right here as my three.
- 1:33:15That's damn that's a I don't know about three. Well, he would have
- 1:33:20to go there. Yeah, all right, since I have Fox, give
- 1:33:28me some bonus. That was my next pick. Damn it. All right,
- 1:33:36so I got three, Well, Draymond, he's a ball handler.
- 1:33:40Two. Now I need Now, I need a shooter. I need somebody
- 1:33:45that could shoot. We can go ten. Let's go ten players. Let's
- 1:33:50make it interesting. Okay, Yeah, I'm good with that. The more
- 1:33:55that I was looking at, I was like, okay, there's definitely more
- 1:33:57than enough for ten. You know what, I'm gonna just take this player
- 1:34:01because I feel like he has too much talent here. Give me, give
- 1:34:05me deebo or DeMar DeRozan. But that's your seventh player, right, yeah,
- 1:34:13that's my seventh. Yeah, okay, all right, eight eight,
- 1:34:17eight. You know big man that can do kind of everything. Give me
- 1:34:28a Nikola. That's a nice Pickoch is nice, bro, he's underrate.
- 1:34:41I think I'm the big man. Now I'm gonna get somebody who's a three
- 1:34:45and D player. Give me Herb Jones. That's a good pick man.
- 1:35:02This is tough. This is tough, right, here. I didn't think
- 1:35:06I was gonna go with Kobe White. I was gonna go with Kobe White.
- 1:35:10But I can just go with the better Kobe White and take Trey On
- 1:35:13right here. Mm hmmm. I'm surprised he kind of fell this late.
- 1:35:19Oh now, I have many options at point guard. So okay, so
- 1:35:31I'm gonna have to take I'm gonna have to take Brandon Ingram here. Yeah,
- 1:35:36I was I wanted to the whole time. Yeah, but we're going
- 1:35:41based off this year, so I just like, hmm, I was like,
- 1:35:45mm hm, I get that al right, my last pick based off
- 1:35:57this year. You know what, give me Jima Yaks Junior. Okay,
- 1:36:10so I definitely take a well, no, not really right there. My
- 1:36:15team has size because le bronze eye on Draymond Bam half perimeter defense. I
- 1:36:25think I'm gonna get another three point shooter here. I'm I'm kind of thinking
- 1:36:33Clay. But you know what, I'm gonna go a little bit biased here.
- 1:36:38Give me Kobe White here from my last spot. Nice since he's been
- 1:36:43knocking the three down this year. And all right, coach, who's your
- 1:36:46coach? Oh my coach? Do you occur? Okay? So give me
- 1:36:56our exposure. Then yep, that's good. All right. So you could
- 1:37:02go and list your team first here, UHD Aaron Fox, Austin Reeves,
- 1:37:09Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis, Joel embiid De John Sat, Murray Demonta,
- 1:37:14Bonis Nikovich, Trey Young and nheim ma Yakis Junior. And my coach is
- 1:37:18Steve Kerr. So my team it's Lebron out the one, steph at the
- 1:37:25two, Zion three, the four, Draymond five is bam My bench,
- 1:37:30Tyrese Maxi, Deebo, Herb Jones, Brandon Ingram and Kobe White and then
- 1:37:38coach is Eric Spolsure here. So I'm not gonna lie you have As far
- 1:37:42as the sinners, you definitely do have the that. But as far as
- 1:37:48wing wing players, I think I definitely have that right there because you have
- 1:37:55guards and sinners other than Jimmy Butler, who's the That's what you means,
- 1:38:00I have the bonus who can play the four. But yeah, that's true,
- 1:38:08but he's more known as a five. You know what I mean?
- 1:38:11You got the centizen cards, I got all the wing defenders or wing players.
- 1:38:15I don't know where this game is going. Yeah, this game could
- 1:38:18go anywhere. I'm living people this time. Yeah, yeah, I don't
- 1:38:25know. Again, Lebron and steph Ale and beat on this same team is
- 1:38:31kind of scary. Nah, they getting hurt. I just need one game
- 1:38:42now. But all right, so our second or you know what, let's
- 1:38:46go and do our so called MVPs before we do this, before we do
- 1:38:50the last one. So so called MVPs of the week. We do it
- 1:38:57every single week, but this week we kind of have a little bit of
- 1:39:00a twist to it. So we're gonna have the so called MVP of the
- 1:39:02season. And it's not gonna be Jokide Luca say, it's gonna be somebody
- 1:39:08that just stood out throughout the year that it wasn't look looked upon among most
- 1:39:13people. So, Josh, who's your so called m VP Victor? I'm
- 1:39:17just kidding. I'm just kidding. I thought you're gonna do it for real?
- 1:39:30This is tough. I didn't think too much of it. I forgot
- 1:39:31we were doing this. Uh, you know what, do it? We've
- 1:39:41mentioned them these past few episodes like crazy, I think it's I'm gonna go
- 1:39:45with mister Brunton here. I think Jalen Brunston is giving my so called MVP
- 1:39:49of the Year. That's what I'm gonna give it to because I think it's
- 1:39:51much deserved. He's not gonna win real life m VP. So I'm gonna
- 1:39:55give Jaalien, mister Jalen Brunton my so called m v P. So I'm
- 1:40:00staying in the Eastern Conference here, but I'm gonna go with a team that
- 1:40:04definitely nobody expected. I'm picking Paulo ban Carrol here for my so called MVP
- 1:40:10of the year, second second year in the league. Nobody expected the Magic
- 1:40:15to make this jump now that now they're the five seed, one of the
- 1:40:17best defenses in the league, and he's looking like one of the best young
- 1:40:20stars. So he's my so called MVP of the Year. But all right,
- 1:40:27last topic is my rankings. Josh. We need to redeem ourselves from
- 1:40:30last week we had we we had a bad one, so it's it's time
- 1:40:36to It's time to redeem ourselves. So all right, first, we're gonna
- 1:40:41start off with desjon Tey Murray f Yeah, I like four here, Shaye
- 1:40:48gilgis Alexander. This has to be I feel like two. Okay, we
- 1:40:53can go. Yeah, we might get or a step for a Okay,
- 1:40:59k is is she better than Steph this year? We're doing this year?
- 1:41:06Yeah? Yeah? Is he better this year? I think he? He
- 1:41:13has to be better than well, Okay, so should we stay at two?
- 1:41:17Yeah? Okay, I'm not mad if we get Steph at one?
- 1:41:24Okay, perfect, Luka doncic easily one? Okay, okay, he worked
- 1:41:28out three and five. We need a three and five? Tyler Hero,
- 1:41:32this has to be a five, right, five? Five? Five?
- 1:41:35Come on? Last one? Not better than Pascal Siako? I like that.
- 1:41:41I like, I don't think I was better than Dijonte, But that's
- 1:41:45a pretty good list there, arguable de Jonte Tyler Herro. That was.
- 1:41:53I think Pascal is the most random player, Like he's an AI generated player,
- 1:41:57Like I don't like he's not he's not a real player. He's not
- 1:42:00a real person. He's just there. Yo. Oh okay, next one,
- 1:42:08James Harden is this three or four? Three? Can't be five?
- 1:42:14Okay? Three? Three? Put him in the middle, okay, Kawhi
- 1:42:19Leonard, Oh, we have to put him to We have to. Yeah,
- 1:42:28crap, this one's kind of feels like you can go this shit,
- 1:42:30Zach Levine. We could put him at five. He hasn't played majority of
- 1:42:33the season. Yep, I mean we could have argued Kawhi hasn't played a
- 1:42:39majority of the season. Two. No, Kawhi has played about sixty sixty
- 1:42:43something, Okay, Tyler Herro one right, four kidding, and number one
- 1:42:49is Austin Reeves. Damn, damn damn. I'd argue who's better than all
- 1:42:54of them? This year? I would argue that we had Eves, Austin
- 1:43:00Reeves, Kawhi, James Harden, Titdler, hero Zach Levine. All right,
- 1:43:03we'll do a couple more, all right, This next one Joel EMBIID
- 1:43:10two one, two, let's go to how he's been injured. Yeah,
- 1:43:15Jaron Jackson Jr. Three or five. I haven't heard crap about Jaron Jackson
- 1:43:20Jr. This year? Okay, five? Deanslow Russell. I feel like
- 1:43:26this has to be three oh four. I think, okay, we could
- 1:43:30keep him at four because yeah, there's a big gap between him and Joel.
- 1:43:33Yeah, okay, Kyle Kuzma, he has to go three. She
- 1:43:41has is better than him this year, Darren Fox, damn, we should
- 1:43:46have had Joel at one. Damn. Yeah, Okay, last one.
- 1:43:51We gotta we gotta make this count. Chris, Chris stops porzingis. I
- 1:43:59don't know. I'm feeling like there's gonna be a bunch of heat on this
- 1:44:01one. I'm thinking of three or four first, top four. Four,
- 1:44:10Okay, hopefully that Drew Holiday three. You think Drew Holidays, it's just
- 1:44:20having Drew five. Yeah, we could put him at five. We could
- 1:44:25put him at five, justin Paul George, is that a two? I
- 1:44:32have the top three open, we have the top so three. We're depending
- 1:44:36on a lot here. Hey, okay, you're go home, baby.
- 1:44:41Trust Paul George at three. If it's Kelly you Brad, he's won.
- 1:44:47Chat Holmgren. I'd argue he was better at some points this year than no
- 1:44:58Ship number two. You're over two first of Paul George or Paul Pierce,
- 1:45:03and now the chet Holmgren statement. So we'll put him at two. It
- 1:45:08was it was the me defending the thunder today coming to my mind, no
- 1:45:12for real, then the one, Then the one is Pascal Siakam. Okay,
- 1:45:16that was like a dog ship. Last one. Okay, we can't.
- 1:45:19We can't go out like that. We've had one good this this that
- 1:45:26okay, Kevin Durant two, right too, Okay, Lawry Markinen, I'm
- 1:45:33filling the floor for real. He had a good season, he did.
- 1:45:39But four we can go for. Okay, didn't he make the All Star
- 1:45:45Game? I don't let me check. I thought that's kind of the m
- 1:46:00hmm. Yeah, see he wasn't selected to the All Star Game this year?
- 1:46:03Okay for fine Forest Fine four? Anthony Edwards, Oh that number two?
- 1:46:14Yeah, we could argue both one and three here. Put them smack
- 1:46:17dab in the middle. Put them smack dab in the middle, right there,
- 1:46:21Christops pors Christops five, Yep, easily. Okay, we're just hoping.
- 1:46:30We're hoping for damn it. Austin Reeves. He might be he might
- 1:46:36be better. He might be better than I think he's better than Kevin Durraight.
- 1:46:43Hey, facts are facts. You can't argue with. The blind Ring
- 1:46:45is his nickname? AR fifteen? I don't think so. Yeah, exactly.
- 1:46:48The sniper or you want a sniper or an ar Which one do you
- 1:46:53want? I think I'm thinking I'm choosing the ar here. I'm picking the
- 1:46:57colonizer every single time. That's what I'm doing. Let's go edit in this
- 1:47:03episode. Josh, Yeah, let's go. Let's go editit this episode.
- 1:47:10Josh, do you have anything else you want to say before we wrap this
- 1:47:16up? No, I don't. Y'all be blessed, have a good week.
- 1:47:30We'll see y'all again, or y'all on third Friday, Friday, or
- 1:47:36it would be Friday or Saturday after the plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 1:47:40okay, yeah, yeah, two episodes this week is coming out,
- 1:47:44so definitely more playoffs in Yeah, exactly. But before we get out of
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