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213: Looking Out of the Fish Tank · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Because I've got to keep on Searching for the dream
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  Speaker 1: That I've been seeking Since I left my Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Martha Stevens And you are listening to
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  Speaker 2: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, this is Drifter You're listening to That'd be great Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I wish.
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  Speaker 4: I could be called Drifter It's not appropriate though I'm.
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  Speaker 3: A drifter And I've seen the rain I'm a drifter.
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  Speaker 1: And I felt the pain, the pain that comes with loneliness.
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  Speaker 5: So I drift from town to town, searching all around.
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  Speaker 6: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 6: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 6: and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 2: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 7: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 8: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 8: provide more cooling in the containment.
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  Speaker 7: Chamber to your citizens you hang up on me again.
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  Speaker 9: I'll What's up? Welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Alan.
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  Speaker 9: And we're coming to you live via.
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  Speaker 3: Digital recording from the Dreamland Film Center here in Louisville.
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  Speaker 3: And with that, we will also welcome from the Louisville
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  Speaker 3: Film Society, Tracy.
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  Speaker 9: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 1: So, we've actually been working with you pretty.
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  Speaker 9: Much since both of us started this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: If you guys have been hanging around listening to this
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, at least once a year we
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  Speaker 3: go and hang out with Tracy and Ryan and everybody
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  Speaker 3: at Louisville Film Society and At least get in on
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  Speaker 3: the Flyover Film Fest, but we've done a little bit
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  Speaker 3: here and there. We've been planning on doing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of stuff.
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  Speaker 9: Over the years, and it always gets away from us.
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  Speaker 9: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: But now you've got your home base here, so we're
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  Speaker 3: going to try to do more stuff with you guys.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: Now that we're settled a little bit.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's come together. We did just make it up here, actually.
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  Speaker 3: You've started doing this year's stuff, and I came up
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  Speaker 3: here for the The Silent Festival, which I guess I'll
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  Speaker 3: let you go into, but it was kind of nice.
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  Speaker 9: Ben made it that night.
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  Speaker 3: We hung out here and watched Buster Keaton and Charlie
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  Speaker 3: Chaplin and had live music.
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  Speaker 9: So is that the big focus you guys are doing
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  Speaker 9: right now?
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  Speaker 2: That's a monthly screening that we're doing, a monthly series
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  Speaker 2: that we're doing. So that's kind of the, I'll say
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  Speaker 2: it's like the flagship for right now. We'll be running
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  Speaker 2: that through May. And so you saw Buster versus Charlie,
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  Speaker 2: so who won?
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  Speaker 9: In my mind, and this is... Odd, because I always.
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  Speaker 3: I think I just hadn't seen a ton of Buster Keaton.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of familiar with him, and I'd seen
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  Speaker 3: bits and pieces, but I don't know how much I'd
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  Speaker 3: sat down and watched.
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  Speaker 9: And I'd seen a little more of.
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  Speaker 3: Chaplin, but again, I always thought I was a little
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  Speaker 3: more into the Chaplin idea.
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  Speaker 9: Buster Keaton kicked his ass.
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  Speaker 1: He really did.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: You lean a little more towards Charlie in your.
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  Speaker 8: Chaplin's big thing is his features. I've got a big
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  Speaker 8: tin set of his shorts, and they're fun, but they're
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  Speaker 8: nothing like his.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, they're not as powerful.
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  Speaker 8: The kid I cry every time, like in modern times,
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  Speaker 8: the closing shot of them walking, because it's his last
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  Speaker 8: appearance as the tram, and so you can't help but.
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  Speaker 1: That's the end of that era and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what that series is, though, is it's Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Chaplin shorts and Buster Keaton shorts, two of each, and
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  Speaker 2: they go up against each other. So we watch one,
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  Speaker 2: then we watch another. But the thing that's really cool
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  Speaker 2: about it, beyond the fact that they're just awesome, is
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  Speaker 2: that we have a live band that performs with it.
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  Speaker 1: Which is very cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in January we had Your Friendly Neighborhood Big Band,
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  Speaker 2: which is a 14-piece big band.
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  Speaker 1: Which was kind of amazing in this room. Yes, in
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  Speaker 1: this room.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, 14 people were in the band and
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  Speaker 2: we'd have 40 people in the audience.
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  Speaker 1: And it got a little hot.
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  Speaker 2: But they actually composed the original music for that show.
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  Speaker 2: So that was very, very... It was very nice of
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  Speaker 2: them and very special.
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  Speaker 3: And I was surprised, like, as we sat down, and
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  Speaker 3: we were, like, two seats away from the trombone, I
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  Speaker 3: was just like, oh, we're going to get blown away.
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  Speaker 9: They were actually, like, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know if they just planned it out really well,
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  Speaker 3: but it was not, I mean, to be that close
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  Speaker 3: to a big band, it was not overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: It's really good. Well, they're, I mean, they are professional musicians.
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  Speaker 2: They're all, most of them are UofL-trained musicians who have
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  Speaker 2: met there, so this is their thing that they do,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily always live shows to silent film, but they
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  Speaker 2: perform at Knock.
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  Speaker 1: Bar once a month. They are ongoing performances.
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  Speaker 2: They've been at lots of street bests and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: So they kind of know how to play to a room.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so we were really, really grateful for that.
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  Speaker 9: They did a great job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then next month in February. So again, we're doing
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  Speaker 1: this every month.
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  Speaker 2: So in February we'll have bourbon Baroque. So it'll be
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  Speaker 2: a different kind of music. That's kind of funky classical
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  Speaker 2: music that's coming up. Um, and then after that, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to actually have a DJ the next month, um,
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  Speaker 2: which is glitter tits who actually performs.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It performs at, um, Who DJs at Zanzibar every Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: So that's like the hottest dance party that's in town
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  Speaker 2: right now. So he's going to DJ to it. So
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see the variety of
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  Speaker 2: genres that come up through it.
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  Speaker 9: It's really interesting mixing up the set.
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  Speaker 3: Because I've seen a lot of stuff done with live
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  Speaker 3: music and silent.
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  Speaker 9: I have a good portion of which has been through
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  Speaker 9: you guys.
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  Speaker 3: But again, it's usually within one type or another. It's
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  Speaker 3: not really varied. So this is kind of an interesting experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're hoping that we have repeat customers that
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  Speaker 2: people won't get.
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  Speaker 1: there'll be different films each time.
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  Speaker 2: There's going to be different groups each time or different
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  Speaker 2: performers each time. So it is a, hopefully it's going
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  Speaker 2: to build buzz over these next months. By the time
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  Speaker 2: April gets here, you won't be able to get a seat.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's, it's worth coming to see the
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  Speaker 3: movies anyway, but I think it's really interesting adding this
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  Speaker 3: live music and adding a different type of live music.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's kind of, I mean, our venue, we have
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  Speaker 2: an intimate venue and definitely live music is, Mixing live
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  Speaker 2: music with film in one way or another, even if
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  Speaker 2: it's having a film that's thematically attached and then a
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  Speaker 2: band play afterwards or vice versa, like, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a niche that we're trying to fill here because it
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  Speaker 2: does seem like just we have to get multimedia.
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  Speaker 1: In order to catch attention and because... It's just the
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  Speaker 1: wave of the future.
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  Speaker 3: I think it works really well with the audiences, too.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's sort of more drawn to that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: It's more of a show. Nowadays, you can watch a
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  Speaker 4: movie at home.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 10: Nothing compares to going to a movie theater, but.
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  Speaker 4: People are kind of desensitized.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: It adds an element to it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that we're not really competing with the multiplex.
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  Speaker 2: We're not really competing with Tinseltown or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We're competing more with art galleries and more people who
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  Speaker 2: are looking at film as art. and what we want
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  Speaker 2: to do is challenge our audiences to be more engaged
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  Speaker 2: with what's going on so we encourage discussions afterwards if
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  Speaker 2: we can if and when we find experts we want
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  Speaker 2: them to come and talk about the films one way
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  Speaker 2: or another we invite a lot of filmmakers and You know,
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  Speaker 2: we invite costume designers and sound designers and things like that, too,
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  Speaker 2: so they can just add another layer to the experience.
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  Speaker 1: So it's another reason for you to get out of.
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  Speaker 9: The house and not just watch it on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: Or rent it from Wild and Wooly.
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  Speaker 9: You work with those crazy movie meltdown people.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly.
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  Speaker 9: They yammer on about movies all the time.
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  Speaker 10: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, we're trying to support a scene that's
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  Speaker 2: blossoming all the time and has been for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: We've been around for six years. It's been building.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this town is so weird anyway. People will really
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  Speaker 3: get into stuff, but it's so hit and miss.
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  Speaker 9: So it is kind of hard finding your group and
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  Speaker 9: hanging on to them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And as a nonprofit, I mean, it's our challenge.
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  Speaker 2: It's our challenge to challenge the people in town who
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  Speaker 2: say they want to support this to support this.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm going on and on about.
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  Speaker 9: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like I know people.
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  Speaker 2: We showed New Jerusalem this weekend, which was a Will
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  Speaker 2: Odom film. And we did have, we had a nice turnout.
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  Speaker 2: It was fine or whatever. But the people who said
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  Speaker 2: they were going to come and the people who showed
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  Speaker 2: up were two different things. But the first thing that
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  Speaker 2: happened this morning was people were like, when are you
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  Speaker 2: going to encore that? And it was like, dude, you
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  Speaker 2: got to help me here.
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  Speaker 6: It was here all weekend.
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  Speaker 8: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: It was here all weekend. And I get that maybe
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't come to it. But I'm not encoring it
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  Speaker 1: until you guys show up, basically.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we can't.
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  Speaker 3: Have a reason to encore it until enough people show
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  Speaker 3: up each time to make us need to encore it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the other layer of that, too, is, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: we're a non-profit, so we're a membership-based non-profit. So even
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  Speaker 2: people who can't necessarily come to every screening, but they
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  Speaker 2: want to make sure that Art House Cinema is happening
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  Speaker 2: here in town, if you become a member, then that's
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  Speaker 2: paying for a third of a distribution for some strange
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  Speaker 2: film anyway.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Every time someone signs.
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  Speaker 2: Up, that's just making sure that we get to do
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  Speaker 2: creative programming and not have to, you know, appeal to
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  Speaker 2: the lowest common denominator.
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  Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
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  Speaker 9: Which is what we're at at this point.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to start getting strip clubs to advertise on here.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's where it's come to.
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  Speaker 1: You should totally get strip clubs to advertise on here.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I have a duty. That's where to start.
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  Speaker 9: They have the classiest ads. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 8: They always have the grossest looking women in those ads.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not think it's the way.
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  Speaker 9: That's mine. To each their own.
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  Speaker 8: It's like they're just not good photography.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's like.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they're worried about it.
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  Speaker 8: Photography.
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  Speaker 10: It's like with a camera phone, but not even like
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  Speaker 10: an iPhone or anything. It's like a 2003 flip phone. Oh, right.
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  Speaker 8: So like bad lighting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's like, it's really, it's the really tattoo ads.
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  Speaker 1: It's really good. Okay.
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  Speaker 9: Either way.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I've been to this place and had it last.
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  Speaker 9: I know, you almost got killed at least once.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that was a different time.
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  Speaker 10: But I had a great time and the girls are
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  Speaker 10: not very attractive, but they're very nice girls.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: Very nice girls.
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  Speaker 3: Personality that's what you want in a stripper exactly it is.
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  Speaker 8: True it's just they always try to come and talk
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  Speaker 8: to you it's like you know i'm happy to have
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  Speaker 8: a conversation with you but you're just trying to sell
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  Speaker 8: me a lap job a lap dance.
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  Speaker 10: I did have one stripper she was a very i
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  Speaker 10: don't know how do you a seasoned and she tried
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  Speaker 10: to take my shirt off and it was really weird.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah yeah well it's got to be a Show for
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  Speaker 9: you and her.
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  Speaker 3: She wants a little something too, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I think strippers are always happy when the girls are there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even.
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  Speaker 9: Know what to do with that. So let's leave it alone.
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  Speaker 4: And that was a tangent.
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  Speaker 1: Tangent number one.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess just to, we usually do some sort
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  Speaker 3: of little geek activity.
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  Speaker 9: So aside from this week's movie, Tracy, what else have
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  Speaker 9: you been watching lately?
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  Speaker 2: I have been, well, I'm A, obsessed with the film
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  Speaker 2: Fish Tank right now.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I've been on about.
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  Speaker 9: We will get to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But some kind of companion piece to that, I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to match these up today.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Lars and the Real Girl for the first
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  Speaker 1: time last night, which was crazy. Like, I did not know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I had seen the cover, and I knew
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  Speaker 2: what the plot was, but I didn't understand it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be This thing about the delusional man that
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  Speaker 2: everybody was going to.
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  Speaker 1: That everyone was going to.
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  Speaker 2: Entertain his delusion. I didn't understand that that was what
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  Speaker 2: was going to happen. So I was like, wow, this
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  Speaker 2: is wild. And it was just, you know, that was
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  Speaker 2: very interesting. So that was my most recent thing.
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  Speaker 8: Did you like it?
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  Speaker 1: I liked it a lot, yeah. I did like it
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I think that it's not... It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't perfect in any way, shape, or form.
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  Speaker 2: But I kind of like movies that are... Like, I
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  Speaker 2: could tell someone... They just made that up. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: watch something else, and then they were like, okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: Well, here's the thing. Have any of you seen Love Object?
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  Speaker 1: No, I haven't.
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  Speaker 8: Now, Lars and the Rogue came out, I believe, 2005?
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  Speaker 9: Something like that, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So a couple years, a friend of mine, I was
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  Speaker 8: talking about this, and he said, have you seen Love Object?
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  Speaker 8: And I said, no. So he gave me this DVD
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  Speaker 8: to borrow, and it came out a few years before
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  Speaker 8: Lars and the Rogue. It's about this guy who lives
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  Speaker 8: by himself, and he's lonely. And a coworker shows him
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  Speaker 8: about a website where you can order a sex doll,
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  Speaker 8: like a realistic thing. He gets it and falls in
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  Speaker 8: love and has this romance. So the same thing, except
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  Speaker 8: it's a horror movie. Yay!
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  Speaker 11: Because in his mind, like the, I mean, the doll
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  Speaker 11: comes to life, but then in Lars and the Rogue Girl,
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  Speaker 11: you know, he's kind of like this real life romance
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  Speaker 11: with the one girl and the doll is kind of
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  Speaker 11: his transition into working with this.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: In Love Object, his doll gets jealous.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 8: And it gets really fucking gruesome.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. And it's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: I'll have to watch that.
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  Speaker 8: It's really exactly the same thing as a horror movie.
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  Speaker 12: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that the Lars and the Real Girl
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  Speaker 2: people knew about Love Object? Like, can you see things
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  Speaker 2: beyond just the actual, the plot of it?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I suppose the idea of, you know, a
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  Speaker 8: lonely man falls in love with a sex doll isn't
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  Speaker 8: too terribly far-fetched that, like, two people can.
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  Speaker 1: Come to that independently. For some people, it's life.
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  Speaker 8: Anyway. But there are, there are, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 8: could go either way. There are no similarities that I
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  Speaker 8: feel like they must have been aware of the idea.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: This, I, my sociology professor made us watch a documentary
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  Speaker 10: about men that are in love with their love dolls.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not sure when that came out, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. It's like a big thing. There's like. conventions
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  Speaker 4: and things for it now so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's a whole thing because i think one of the
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  Speaker 3: was it hoarders or one of those weird obsessed people
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  Speaker 3: shows oh had my strange obsession that had like a
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  Speaker 3: whole episode about just like people that are obsessed with
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  Speaker 3: and there was like a guy who was married and
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  Speaker 3: still had one and like she was like part of
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  Speaker 3: the family almost like the wife put up with it
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  Speaker 3: it was some weird scenario they had going where she
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  Speaker 3: was just kind of accepting of whatever, this is his thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I can't really.
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  Speaker 9: There you go.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Some guys like to build model trains.
• 14:34
  Speaker 9: Some guys like to go fishing.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's like that 30 Rock episode with
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: James Franco, and he.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Has his body pillow.
• 14:42
  Speaker 9: It's like that.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Well, there's two other movies I think of that are
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: about the doll situation, and one of them's May, which, like,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: so there's that, and that's, like, the female version, so
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: it's about building the doll, right?
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: And about, like, about finding the body pillow to make this.
• 14:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I like.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: And the other film, the 80s film, Pin. Have you
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: guys ever seen Pin?
• 15:02
  Speaker 12: No.
• 15:02
  Speaker 9: I know of it.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Creepy movie, but it's about an educational doll. There are
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: two children, and the father was a doctor, and the
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: doctor had this doll that he would teach them about
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: their bodies through, this doll. And then he dies, and
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: the son's obsessed with the doll for the rest of
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: his life.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: And it's a horror movie, too. It's really scary.
• 15:24
  Speaker 9: I'm just sticking to Roman.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: You get a real girl, you don't have to have
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: a doll.
• 15:28
  Speaker 12: There you go.
• 15:29
  Speaker 9: If you think about it, I.
• 15:30
  Speaker 10: Guess this is just a theme that's been going on forever. Like,
• 15:33
  Speaker 10: Pinocchio is kind of like this.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: You know, like a.
• 15:39
  Speaker 10: I cannot pronounce that word right now. But you know
• 15:41
  Speaker 10: what I'm saying. Like, of dolls and things like that,
• 15:45
  Speaker 10: I think that's.
• 15:46
  Speaker 8: There was an episode of House. Like, it was in
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: the last season when they ran out of things to
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: come up with everything. Like, I had to die and
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: that was a sex doll.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 15:53
  Speaker 8: They gave it an MRI. There was actually a mass
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: and they had to do a biopsy.
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: That's awesome.
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: And he was trying to carry on a romance. It
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: was funny.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I bet there's a long SVU about this somewhere. There
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: has to be.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, they've been doing those shows for so long.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: They've had to do everything at this point. There's only
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: so many CSIs you can do until you loop back
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: around again.
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: I don't know. So true.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: So.
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: I guess, on that creepy sex doll.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: We will take a break here and come back with
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: this week's equally as odd movie.
• 16:31
  Speaker 13: Yay!
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: We talk about the best things.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Yay! That's how you do it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: Oh, shit.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, shit.
• 17:00
  Speaker 12: Crisp, flavorful fish sandwiches, golden brown and crunchy outside, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 12: tender and juicy inside for a snack or a meal.
• 17:08
  Speaker 12: Lost River is lost no more. Yes, friends, you can
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  Speaker 12: be part of a modern ecological miracle. Acres and acres
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  Speaker 12: of the newly formed Lost River Lake.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: You'll find swimming.
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: Sailing, snorkeling.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: There's something strange in the water at Lost River Lake.
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: Something you can't see. Something you can't feel. Until it's
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: too late. Started in a Texas pond.
• 17:40
  Speaker 13: Barbara!
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: There's something in here!
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: David!
• 17:45
  Speaker 12: David!
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Well, if.
• 17:49
  Speaker 13: It still works, it's.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: The quickest way to know if they're down there or not.
• 17:52
  Speaker 13: What are you doing?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: You trained the pond?
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, we found them.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: You let them out!
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: They were unleashed into America's waterways to churn quiet streams
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: into rivers of living death.
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: Keep your hand out of the water.
• 18:04
  Speaker 13: What's wrong with the water?
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: Dad!
• 18:08
  Speaker 13: Stay back!
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Stay back!
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Carnivorous fish.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Piranha, the deadliest man-eaters of all. In schools of hundreds,
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: they attack and devour anything that moves with razor-sharp teeth
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: that can strip a man to the bone in less
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: than a minute.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: There'll be no way to contain them.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: They'll be able to swim up every river system in
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: the country.
• 18:29
  Speaker 13: There's a school of piranha heading straight downstream towards your resort.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: They'll kill us, all of us.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Science fiction.
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: They're here, and they're hungry.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I love the movies.
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: Welcome to the biggest movie event of the year. We're
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And the Oscar goes to... And the Oscar goes to.
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: Nick Ledger.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 19:02
  Speaker 14: Ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourselves. It's time for the Movie
• 19:07
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• 19:16
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• 19:20
  Speaker 7: Bacon tastes good.
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: Paw chops taste good.
• 19:23
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• 19:30
  Speaker 14: It's going to be artery clocking good.
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: Dave, I do not get superheroes.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, I don't get you.
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: What don't you get?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Tower bot here.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Well, the meatbags were going to say that if you're
• 19:45
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• 19:54
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• 19:58
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna get my taser and put a stop to this.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Towerbot out.
• 20:03
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  Speaker 2: This is Amy Simons and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: That was me melting down.
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: It's time for Sofa Theatre.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Oi! Let go of me, man! What's wrong with you?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You're what's wrong with me!
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: Don't mind me, girl.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Carry on. I'm a friend of your mother's.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: You coming?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Where you going?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I know somewhere we can get some drink.
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you're 15 years old.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: What does it matter if you like someone? You need
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to sort them out, you do. So you keep saying,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but you don't know nothing. So why should I listen?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: In your room. Tell your mum I don't care what
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 22:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Aye aye, Simon tells me you're up to no good.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Even though we know somehow.
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: Life's a bitch and then you die.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: That's why we get high. Cause you never know when
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go. Life's a bitch and then you die.
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: That's why we puff live.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Cause you never know when you're gonna go.
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: Life's a bitch.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Alright, so welcome back to Moving Hot Down Sofa Theater.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: This week's Sofa Theater feature is Fish Tank.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: The year is 2009.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: Director, Andrea Arnold.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: The plot, according to IMDb, and I'm going to read
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: it all American-like. Everything changes for 15-year-old Mia when her mother...
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I like that it says mom in here.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: When her mother brings.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: Home a new boyfriend.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So with that spoiler alert, there's at least.
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: There's a big moment I didn't see coming.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So yeah, go watch Fish Tank before you get into
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: this because we'll ruin everything.
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: Had you not seen this before?
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: No, I had not seen it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: It's another one I meant to watch, and then as
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: you brought it up, I was like, well, that's a
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: good reason right there.
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: Let's go with that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: I watched it a few months ago because I had
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: a coworker, a friend, she was in love with Michael Fassbender.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: She's like, you need to see Fish Tank. He's never
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: been better. One day she came into work. It was
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: a whole thing at work, and she came in. She's like, guys,
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: I don't love Michael Fassbender anymore. We're like, why? She's
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: a huge feminist. She's like, because I heard that he
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: beats his girlfriends. I need to find a new crush now.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: No.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: It's like, as I'm watching Fish Tank for the second time, like,
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: all I can see is, like, when he's, you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: fucking the 15-year-old girl. It's like, this guy beats his girlfriend.
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: Do we know that that's true?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: Like, I don't know if it was, like, of course,
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: you know, there's, you know, I don't know.
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: If it's, like, a regular thing or if it was maybe, like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: he slipped up one time. Like, not that I'd want
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: to justify any of the, you know.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Tell her she needs to go up to Tom Hardy now.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Because he's very good to his wife.
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: There you go.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. Very good.
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: So where would you like to begin with.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Fish tank well let's see what did everybody here like
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it do you dislike it i very.
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: Much liked it i liked it a lot more the
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: second time the first time i was like i liked
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: it i was kind of didn't was didn't really get
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: emotionally involved in the second time like i did much
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: more okay like i couldn't really even say why i
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: just i just did.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it was one of those things.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It had been on my list for a really long time,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and I've had two people who I trust a lot.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: They just kept being like, you need to watch this movie.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You need to watch this movie.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And I tried it a couple of times, but I
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: watched Netflix on a Roku box, so I couldn't get subtitles.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So I just couldn't do it. I cannot understand English accents.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I can't do it. So I have to have subtitles.
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: And that was not too bad, actually, in this movie.
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, the second time I watched it, well, okay,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: so here's the story. Then I went to my friend Pamela's,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and all she has is a computer. So I watched
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: it on the computer with the subtitles, finally, and was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: in total and complete love with it. And then I
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: watched it again at home, and now.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: I understood what was happening.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: But I had to have the first time translated for me.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So if people watch it and If any of our
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: listeners watch it and the same thing happens to the film,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: just turn on the subtitles.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I promise it'll be good. Eventually I did, but it's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: almost because sometimes they would just be saying.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Things quietly and I wasn't sure I was hearing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: So it wasn't so much the accent for me as like, wait,
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: what did she just do?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It's just catching everything along the way.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: Speaking of that, I was just curious, have you seen
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: Rat Catcher?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen Rat Catcher.
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: It actually made me think of Rat Catcher because Lynn Ramsey,
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: who also knew me, talked about Kevin. She makes movies
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: about fucked up kids. Yeah. And Rat Catcher, I was like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: I was five minutes in, and the Scottish accents are
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: so fucking thick.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They're just thick.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: You're like, I can't do it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I just could not.
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: But then it was really bothersome because they're using Scottish slang,
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: but the subtitles are American English. And so I was like,
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: I know this is not what they're saying.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: Anyway, it's.
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: It's a good movie you should watch it since we
• 27:11
  Speaker 16: brought up the subtitles that's one i wanted to ask
• 27:14
  Speaker 16: you because to me it's almost funny that that one
• 27:17
  Speaker 16: i guess see if on your version did it even
• 27:19
  Speaker 16: tell you what song was playing mine did yeah yes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: So i'm like if they're going to the like assuming
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that this is actually for someone who can't hear and
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: they're trying to set the mood and at least give
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you like specifics on like what the song is and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: everything It was still, like, it struck me funny that
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: they didn't actually, like, they had it spelled out.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: In proper English that it was.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: Mother, or I will see you later. Now, I did later.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: And when she ends it later, I'm like, shouldn't.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: It say, shouldn't the subtitle be later?
• 27:48
  Speaker 9: That's true.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think that's a conundrum of how
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: you do subtitles. Because it is, I mean, I do
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: think a lot of times that the subtitles on there
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: aren't for people who are hard of hearing.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: They are for people, for us.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: Wait, what is she saying?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Well, the fuck's your problem? Your terrible dancing's my problem.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: Look, Lea, just don't start.
• 28:07
  Speaker 13: You can tell Kaylee since when did you have such
• 28:08
  Speaker 13: ugly friends?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Talk about ugly, you skanky little piehead. If you want
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: some fucking more, you know where we are. You all
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: need a subtitle?
• 28:15
  Speaker 13: I watched it on my mom's computer last night.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And her volume was arcing, so. I mean, I could
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: hear it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: A little bit, but I couldn't fully make out what
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: they were saying.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I like it wasn't so bad.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Again I don't.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Think it was accents I was just making sure I
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: was because it did go once or twice and I
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: went wait I don't know what she just.
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: Said oh no I watch British stuff all the time
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: like that wasn't cool yeah no I really have a
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: hard time with British accents I don't know why it's
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: just the way it is like I used to well
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: this is a side note but I used to give
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: tests like I used to.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Be a test giver for like GREs and stuff like
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that and someone would come in and they would be
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Iranian or they would be whatever and that would be
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: fine it would be great but if they.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Came in and they were English I was like I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying to me. Like, it's just like,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: what is it we like?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Since we both speak the same language.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: That's not better.
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: We speak American. It's different.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I am from Kentucky. Shh, don't tell anybody. There
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: we go. But that brings me to something, though. Like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: this movie, for me, in a lot of ways, like, yes,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: she's in England. She's in Essex, England. in the 2000s
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and stuff and I was a young girl in small town.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Kentucky in the 90s but I we are the same
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: person when I was when I was 13 she's 15
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: but it's like we are the same person and it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: just like so for me those people who were.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Like you need to watch this movie were like because
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this is you. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is great.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So I have hope for Mia that everything's going to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: be okay when she gets the whales.
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: You know, like, tonality-wise, I feel like it reminded me
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: a lot of Winter's Bone for some reason. I think
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: it was, like, the bleakness of her life. And the
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: set was just so spot-on. Like, I don't know what
• 30:11
  Speaker 10: it's like to be a poor person in England, but, like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: you could imagine, you could feel just, like, everything was so, like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: in disarray so perfectly that it was, like, it felt
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: so real.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: Well, I think it was.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Again, she didn't have a huge budget, so I think
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: everything is where it was.
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: Like, they just went on location and went, here, say
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: these lines.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and both of those girls are non-actors, so both
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the sisters are non-actors, and she directs in a way,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: she does not give everyone the whole script.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I've read that. They get a script a week at
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a time.
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: That's really interesting.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like, with Mia.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: With the character, Katie Jarvis.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I think it was Jarvis.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Katie Jarvis. Yeah, Katie Jarvis who played Mia. She's, again, non-actor.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: She actually was found because she was arguing with her
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: boyfriend on a subway platform.
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: In that train station where.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: They shoot that cat. So she's arguing with her boyfriend, so...
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: The casting director's like, you need to be in this movie.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, I guess I'll be in the movie.
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: I like the way you say fuck.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Like, you come do this.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: And so that's how she got in this film to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: begin with. And then Andrea Arnold, it just sounds like
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: she's very sympathetic to actors. And so she would, almost everything,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: if she wasn't in a scene with another person, it
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: would just be the two of them shooting.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So they would just, in those.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Rooms, In the room where she's dancing all the time,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: she's just dancing for the director.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: She's not dancing for a crew of people and stuff.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: So that's really interesting that Andrea Arnold does that. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: this is her second film. So the first film was
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Red Road, which I never saw.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: I still, yeah, now I want to go back and
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: see it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now I want to see it. And then Fish
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Tank and then Wuthering Heights, which I guess is going
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to come out on DVD at some point. And it
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: played a flyover, everybody. But I think she's really interesting
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and does a really good job.
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: And.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: This movie is bleak. It is a bleak place or
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: something that she's in. But, again, like, I'm optimistic for her. Like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I think she's okay.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: I think you get that way in the beginning.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And I can see people stopping halfway through and being like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I can't deal with this.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: This is just rough.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: But when I compare it to something like Winter's Bone
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: or compare it to something like.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I had an old friend of mine who.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Used to call them killing puppies movies. Like the movies
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: where it's just like, oh, this whole movie is just about.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Killing the puppies. Like Gummo. Yeah, Gummo. Which is literally
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: about killing cats or something. Yeah, those things.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like this movie is quite that because
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: she has a bad experience. Something bad happens to her,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm saying that in quotation marks.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: But she's not a victim. She's a strong person.
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's really.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the overwhelmingness of her life that is more grim. Like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the whole thing that goes down in the middle there,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, again, she was willing. I mean, it's not
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: right the way it happened, but I'm just like, yeah,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't really mess her up.
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: That part shouldn't mess her up. I think it was just.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Her life as a whole is kind of grim.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, it works itself out. The story
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: overall kind of works itself out for her.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean, she's a very unnurtured person. She's
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: never been nurtured. That's what it is.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: And the only nurturing she's getting is from a predator.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And it's like, but he's a charming predator.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And it's like, for.
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: The most part, he's a pretty good guy.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Until that's me.
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: I didn't see.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Him necessarily as a predator. Like, he shouldn't have done
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: what he did. Like, that's not just, it didn't feel
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: like he was just like, I'm going to fuck this teenager.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: I felt like he really did like her and care
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: for her. He just, like, he got really drunk, made
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: a really inappropriate mistake, and then, you.
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: Know, like.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of read it a little bit differently. Like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I read.
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: Like, not okay.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, again, I don't want to go
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: back to, like, I don't think that people have necessarily, like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: strange sexual experiences that are inappropriate, and that's, like, the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: end of the world, and you need to just go
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: crawl under a rock or anything like that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: But I do think that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: He is seducing her from jump. Like, all those scenes... Like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: he is.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And I didn't know... And I didn't really... I didn't
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: know what to do with it until they slept together. Like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: all the other scenes. When he puts her to bed
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and he takes her pants off. When he sees her
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: in her underwear and he doesn't go away.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: When he takes off his shirt for her. And all
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's like, until they slept together, I was like, this
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: is really ambiguous.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: But when they slept together, I was like, no, this
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: is what he's been doing this whole time.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Now, it's natural... I think it's natural. I think they
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: have an attraction that it's... That's what, yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: It's natural.
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: It almost felt like he was just playing it that way. Like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: it could have never gone down there.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: But he knew that she, like, because she's very, from
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that moment, like, that moment he walks in the kitchen,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: she does not take her eyes off.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: No, because you can't. And you, you know, I'll give
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you that one.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: We were talking the hot guys earlier.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Most of them, I'm like, no, no, no, but Michael
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Fassbender's pretty damn hot.
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: That's a straight dude. I'm like, I'm sorry. I'll give
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: you that one.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: He's pretty damn hot.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's, and that's because Andrew Arnold is, That's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: what she's done as she has framed him.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Well, no, no.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: She hopes.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: She wishes.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: No, she is framing him all the time to be
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the sex object. Mia is not a sex object in
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: this movie. She doesn't understand sexuality yet. She's looking at
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: sex all the time. She's looking at those people that
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: are in the rap videos. She's looking at her mother
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: be sexy, and she's looking at those people who are
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: getting it on at the party and stuff.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: And it's not registered.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It's not registered. She knows she's supposed to do it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's why she's a dancer, in quotation marks again, everybody,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: because I guess she's talented.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think she's talented.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I think that was part of the bleakness of the movie.
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: She has one interest, and she isn't good at it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I think she's better than those other girls. Those other
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: girls are really nice. Those girls are really nice.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Really bad but it's like so I think that in
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: this movie she's and I think it happens with all
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the girls like the younger sister she she's there's a
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: part where she's smoking cigarettes with her friend and stuff
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and they're all trying to act old at the same
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: time that Andrea Arnold's showing you the kitty cats that
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: are all over everything so it's like she's not old
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: she's cussing she's smoking she's gonna she will try to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: be sexy in a year and a half but she
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: is not this age this is inappropriate she's doing this
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It's inappropriate that Mia is– it's not inappropriate she's trying
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: to figure out sex. She should try to be figuring
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: out sex. She's 15 years old, but that she has
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: this super hot man in the house who doesn't.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Know boundaries is the wrong way to do it. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: then even when it comes out.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That Conor, Michael Fassbender's– um, character has a daughter, the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: way you see the daughter is that she's singing this
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: sexy song.
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And it's like, and she's like six.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And it's like, what, this is a movie about, like,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: how people are pushed to be, how girls, you don't
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: really see the dudes, but, like, you, girls are pushed
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: It's just so part of the culture.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: You're a kid and you're singing a song. You don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: even know what that song means. You're just singing a
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: popular song.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because your parents told you to sing it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: Because the mom sitting next to her going, tell him,
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: come on.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: And she's singing it to her father.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: It's so weird.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: What was the song it is?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it. It was just like a breakup song.
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: I think it was just like a popular contemporary Beyonce
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: kind of song.
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just that kind of song that was...
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: An adult-themed song about a relationship. And I'm like, this
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: kid is what, six?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, that's what's going on with it all.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I don't think that she, that's.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: What's traumatizing her. I think what's traumatizing her is that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: her mother hates her.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: And she has no home life.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: That's horrible.
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: Do we know how old the mother was?
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: I mean, obviously not old.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: It was obviously probably a late teenage pregnancy.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I tried to pay attention this time around to see
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: if there was something that kind of gave a hint.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: How old she's supposed to be. Yeah, I don't think
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: so much. But I'll say this. She was hot. Like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the mom was, like, super attractive.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Like, as in, like, she knew what sex was.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: In the way that you can see her getting a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: lot of guys. Like, those are the kind of girls
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: that go out to the bars and come home with
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: whoever they want in that bar scenario. Because that's an
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: easy picking for somebody that kind of looks like she does.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, she seemed very believable in that role as well.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think she, her and Michael Fossman are
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: really the only people in the movie that have careers, like,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: who are, like, known actors.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I don't really know that actress, but she has, if
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you go to her IG page, there's people, there's stuff
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: on it. As opposed to everyone else. Unlike Katie Jarvis,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: who's not been in anything since.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: Hasn't done anything since.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: She actually had a baby the next year.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Again, following in Mia's footsteps.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: With the guy she was arguing on the platform with.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: She'd been with him since they were 13.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: And they're married now.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm like.
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: Well, see, they're sticking along.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: Was the actress 15 at the time?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: She was 16.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: So she's like 19.
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: Now or so.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: She's 20, I think it's now today.
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: How's Chiang be having babies? Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: Married and having a kid. And not acting.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: She said, I won't give the kid back, but I
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: wish I'd waited. Which, I mean, I think that's a
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: good thought to have.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: That's what most people say.
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: At least you're not lying.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: No, I meant to get pregnant at 13.
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: Many girls tell themselves that on Maury every week.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But I do like that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I do think that there are large parallels between something
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that's like kind of an urban-ish contemporary British town and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: small town Kentucky, small town Georgia.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: What I was going to go into is I think
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: it's also almost like not completely timeless, but in the
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: beginning I'm like, when is this?
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: Like you almost can't.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Later, once you get to the songs, you pin it
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: down that it's pretty modern day. But in the beginning,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I'm like, the only real things we've got to go
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: on is she has a CD player.
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm like, CDs, sadly, CDs have been around for
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: 30 years.
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So that's a huge window.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: That is crazy.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: 30 years.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: And so I'm like, really, this could be like early 90s.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, except in the end they talk about now.
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: But then like.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: It's the music that kind of makes it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: And then like, wasn't she watching that like spoiled princesses
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: show that's on MTV?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Isn't that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: I didn't recognize it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: But that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: God, they're watching a whole lot of bullshit.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah but again i mean that could just be you
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: know a version of that in britain that you know
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: so i mean it still like was very like just
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: sort of like nondescript as to when it was because
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: even like the at one point the guy looked like
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: he was wearing a grand theft auto shirt but i
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: was like even then the first one came out in
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: like 97 and i was like this could be like
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: years ago and you can't really pin it but i
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and again it gets very technical by the end it
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: is modern day but i kind of like the fact
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: that It is almost, within the modern era, almost a
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: timeless thing and almost a could-be-any-neighborhood-that's-not-well-to-do.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It really could be in the.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: United States rural area or in the ghetto somewhere in
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: any country in the world. I think that was what
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: was so interesting because the.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Story works regardless.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Like you were saying, you can kind of identify with
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: these characters because, as specific as it is, It's like
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the more specific you make it, the more truth seems
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to be in there and you.
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Find those truths wherever you are.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Didn't anybody else have that where it just,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: it didn't seem, I don't know. I just felt like
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: in the beginning, I.
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: Was like, I have no idea what year this is
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: going on in.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Because he's into oldies, but I'm like, well, I mean,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: even in 90s.
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: James Brown was old.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: You know, it's like all this stuff he's listening to.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, he still would have been considered an old
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: dude listening to his old dude music. The little girl
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: would have made fun of him for liking it. So
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it didn't really like most of it that
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: came into play. It wasn't really essential to a time
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: period until you kind of get to the specific music.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know if that, if that was
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: like a thing that Andrew Arnold's going for, if that
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: just says more about the fact that our culture at
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the same time that we're accelerating all the time, everything's accelerating. And,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and how we were talking earlier, that, Facebook outdoes MySpace
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: in like a minute and all that kind of stuff.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: That there's so much of our culture, though, that's actually
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the same. Like we're still dressing the same that we've
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: dressed for 20 years. And we're still like I read
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: an article once that was all about like how if
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: you compare any 20 year period.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Throughout the last 200 years. You will see the difference.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: The 50s look very different than the 70s. The 70s
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: look very different than the 90s, but the 90s do
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: not look that different than the 2010s.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, the thing we were talking about with the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: eras thing, I think that's kind of true.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: These last 30 years have been, I mean, technologically.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: There's all these little changes, but like overall life is
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: kind of the same.
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: Well, I think that has something to do with the fact,
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: not that it didn't change, just that it reverted back
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: so quickly. Normally it takes 20 years for something to
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: become cool again. You know, like, stuff in the 80s
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: wasn't cool until, it definitely wasn't cool in the 90s.
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: So, it's just, like, the 90s, it didn't take as
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: long for it to come back in style because, like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: things move so fast nowadays.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Well, and things are so unhip now that you don't bother. Like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: there's not a trend that lasts for five years. It's
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: five minutes, and then, like, oh, we moved on from that. So, like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: nothing latches on. There is no identifying thing for years
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: at a time.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Things become retro quicker now.
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: That's it. I think it's both.
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: I think they go out of style much.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Because you look at the stuff in the 70s that
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: was popular, it was almost that whole decade that that
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: stuff hung on, where now you've got, like, a year
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: or two, and, like, people are like, that is stupid.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: Why are you wearing that?
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: You know, like.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: they get really specific if it's the sort of fashion
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: thing that people care about so because of that I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: think everybody falls back to.
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: The same like we wear the same crap.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: We were wearing in the 90s yeah so maybe that's
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: like I mean maybe that's the genius thing that Andrea
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Arnold did which is that she showed that exactly this
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: thing that you're like it could be 1999 it could
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: be 2010 it could be in.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: England it could be yeah it could be in England
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: yeah and their.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: Clothes were pretty like nondescript you know she had like
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: attracts you down the whole movie yeah and.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: That's part i like that part a lot because it
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: goes back to the she's not sexualized like she's not
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: a sexualized person i mean she has someone who's like
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: doing that who is objectifying her or whatever not even
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: objectifying her he who is putting her in a sexual
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: space but that's not natural to her at all so and.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: It's barely registering that yeah that isn't really even yeah
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: she doesn't realize how conscious he is of what.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Is going on and what he's doing.
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: And, yeah, like, she doesn't really see any of it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: To the point that she even seems sort of shocked
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: when they get physically involved.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: She's like, oh, okay, well, cool, I wanted this, but
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I didn't know you were into it. Like, she's so, like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: out of the loop, even with him. She's just like, oh,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I thought you thought I was a dorky kid. I
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: am a dorky kid, but that's not going to stop
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: you from sleeping with me.
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: There you go.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Well, and they do all those wonderful... She does such
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: good things, like with the camera, the show you think.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Like, when the part where he's carrying her on his
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: back and stuff, and the camera just slows down, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: we're just going to be slow for a minute, and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of, like, bask in this because she likes
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: it so much.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I really like.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Even the one where he carries her back to the bed.
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: Those are really good shots.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: And kind of, again, sets it up where you don't
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: hate the situation. Like, it really kind of puts them together,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and they get along, and maybe they get along because
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: they almost.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: Work more as a family.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Like, she almost needs him to be more of a
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: father figure, and then it goes down the wrong road.
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: But, like, I don't know.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: There's a little bit of that, because he's also, like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: for doing the wrong thing that night, everything.
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: Else he does, he's the only one that seems to
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: believe in her.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: He's the only one that supports her in anything she
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: wants to do, even if it's something kind of stupid.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: He's the only one that's nice to her.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the only one that's nice to her, and
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: her whole life, really. Not just her family, but her
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: whole life.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Her little sister likes her, but isn't nice.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: She does it in a very sisterly way.
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: Yes, she does.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Don't forget to text me skank.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, skank.
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: There's been a lot of skank thrown around. That's good.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I like that British people say skank too.
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: I know. She threw that C word around. Like Misty
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: did in our episode.
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: I always get depressed in movies when little kids are
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: cursing and smoking and drinking and their mothers are just
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: cursing back. It's like they just It always just rubs
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: me like, this is just wrong. This is not okay.
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: And sadly, that's life.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: It's about depression.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: If you want to be real depressed, we'll go find
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: you a real family.
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: I can't imagine acting like that towards your child.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, obviously her mother is not okay.
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: Her mother is in.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: A bad place.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: So, I think Again, for me, it was almost like
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I saw it and I watched it and I got
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: to the end.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: I was like, oh, that was pretty good. And it
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: was another one of those that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Over the next two hours, it gelled in this weird
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: way that I was like, wow. It really took a
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: long time for all of the elements to come together
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: and realize what a good job she does putting how
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: perfectly orchestrated everything is just for an overall tone. that
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you really don't, like, it's not specific things, it takes
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: you that whole movie, and you realize, oh, well, I mean,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: this whole thing is about, like, sadness, and, like, it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: not just that she's unhappy with where.
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: She is, it's that her mother is miserable with her life, you.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Know, it's like, it's this overall, like, everyone in that
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: neighborhood is miserable with their life, and all of it is, like, this,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: and I think that's what starts to get to you
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: in the beginning there, is, like, it's this overpowering presence
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: of like, just everybody seems really unhappy with this, this horrible.
• 48:08
  Speaker 9: Little, you know, scenario they've got going.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the kind of stuff that stuck
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: with me is like, you really do kind of see
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: what her life is and that it's not like nobody,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: nobody's really evil about what they're doing, but they all
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: just are very like, they just sort of let it go.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: You know, the mother should be doing a really good
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: job as a mother and she's not, and she kind
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: of knows it and she kind of doesn't care.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Like she just lets it slide.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: Same thing with Connor and, you know, it's like, and
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: even Mia.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Like, she probably, before that, could have been doing things to,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: you know, progressively get the hell out of there a
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: little faster.
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: And it takes, you know, this whole situation in the
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: movie before it actually happens. But I think there's just
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: a lot of sadness.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it takes a lot of will to change
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: your whole life, right? And for this, and in this movie,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the only thing that you can look forward to, if
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be, rich and famous like the
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: people in the videos are the people that are on
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: MTV are then there's a time Connor lives in a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: modest house in a modest little suburb and that's like
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and she goes there and is like what is all
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: this and it's so modest and it's like this isn't
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: much of anything that you're but it's.
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: Like world's better than what she lives in better.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: It looks really nice. Just like, cause we're used to
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: seeing all this pretty much squalor.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we haven't talked about it. We haven't talked
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: about what.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: She does in this thing, which is go and kidnap
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: the daughter, which happens.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, I've read all the reviews
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: of this and, Most people were like, that's a misstep
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: in the movie.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: It's just something that kind of takes you out of
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: where you've been this whole time.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like, why is this happening?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: But I like to think of it as, I don't
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: know if you guys read Joyce Carol Oates, but this
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: is just like a Joyce Carol Oates short story.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: It would be called The Summer I Almost Killed a Girl.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And it just would be like, this is what happens.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I thought that the little girl was going
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: to die.
• 50:02
  Speaker 9: I did too.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: So I was like, on the edge of the chair, like.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's what's going on.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: That is where Arnold is making a choice to not
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: be the bleakest movie, to not be Gummo, and not
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: be Requiem for a Dream and all that stuff, right?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Because she didn't let the girl die. Yeah, the girl
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: would have died, otherwise she just would have, like, went.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Back home and been like, oh, I'll just forget about
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that girl I killed.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Well, it also shows her, like, changing and realizing how
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: ridiculous that was. Like, in that moment, like, they hug,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: and they're just like, well, this was all kind of weird,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't it?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go back home.
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: Like, she didn't have a plan.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a good idea. It just came to her,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and she did it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: And I think it's actually, again, it was one of
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: those at the time I didn't think through, and during
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: that period after the movie when it all sort of
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: came together, I was like, That's actually genius because they set.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: It up with the horse.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: It's the same thing.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: All she wanted to do was free that horse.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: Like, she keeps working. Like, she keeps going back there.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And, like, well, once again, what the hell are you
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: going to do with a horse?
• 51:04
  Speaker 9: You live in an apartment, you weirdo.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: Like, she has no plan.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: It's just she sees something and she does it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: And it's a bad idea, but, like, she's driven to
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: do it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: And, like, that's the exact same thing she does with
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the little girl.
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: I don't know. I thought that was, like, perfectly sort
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: of balanced for her character.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, can she learn from her mistakes?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: That's the question, right?
• 51:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: The scene with the little girl, I had a good
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: time with it because I watched it before and, like,
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: I thought the little girl was going to die and
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: it was going to bother me. But this time, like,
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: I knew she wasn't. Yeah. But, like, I was just
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: kind of off in the bedroom, like, on my laptop
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: watching it. I have a three-year-old daughter who happened to
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: come in right at that part. It's like my daughters,
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: my three-year-olds, watching this scene with me. And then, like,
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: as the little girl falls in the water, my daughter
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: just suddenly, like, starts crying. It's like, no, Imogen, it's okay.
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: They're just going swimming.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Like the little girl falls in the water.
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: And Imogen's like, swimming, swimming.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, they're swimming. They're fine.
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: They're having a good time.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: Now I'm going to go drag you through the field.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Come on, let's go.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: But the scene where they hug is awesome because you
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: think because they hugged and you would think that like
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: the little girl would be like no i'm mad she's
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: not she's like i'm just cold just take care of
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: me i'm cold and it's like okay here we go
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: that's really a moment yeah yeah it's good it's.
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: I'm realizing I need to be careful when I let
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: my daughter see, because I watched the Red Band trailer
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: for the new Evil Dead movie, and she just happened
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: to be in the room, and she started crying when
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: blood started pouring.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I need that. I need that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: You know, my three-year-old niece is like the opposite of that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: Nothing affects her. Like on Halloween, I took her trick-or-treating.
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: In retrospect, I think, what an asshole, because 99% of
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: kids would have freaked out, but this scary evil clown
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: comes up behind her, And crouches down really low and, like,
• 53:00
  Speaker 10: yells at her, like, really close to her. I mean,
• 53:02
  Speaker 10: he was, like, this far from her face. And she
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: turns around and she's like, whoa. And then she goes, hi, hap-ha-reen.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay.
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's lots of.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Different varieties like the first movie I ever saw was
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Creepshow and I was probably like four and stuff right
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: well no I mean like my mom and I tomorrow
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: we're going and watching Mama like the new because it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: like that's our life together is watching horror.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Movies like that's just the way it is yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: But it's hard for me to turn it off sometimes
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: and to understand that other people aren't like that like
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I have little cousins and I showed them Children of
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the Corn when they were way too young and it
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: felt terrible afterwards.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I was like oh you're not supposed to do that
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: okay I get it now So, whatever.
• 53:50
  Speaker 10: My aunt used to, you know, they would let us
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: watch movies. Like, Children of the Corn is one of my, like,
• 53:55
  Speaker 10: most favorite movies. Just because I watched it. I was
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: on USA all the time.
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: When I was little.
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: Still probably on USA.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: And I don't know.
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: I just have, like, a weird attachment to that movie.
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: And not so much anymore. But when I was little,
• 54:05
  Speaker 10: we would watch the Child's Play movies all the time.
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: And me and my cousin would, like, be hiding under
• 54:10
  Speaker 10: our blanket fort in, like, complete terror. And my aunt
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: would come and be like, it's just a movie. It's
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: just a movie.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: It's not real.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And we're like, stop.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: I did tell my, I was like, well, I did
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: tell her, I was like, if anybody you don't know,
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: you know, takes you away, you better start kicking and screaming.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: But then, like, the little girl started kicking and screaming,
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: but then she got thrown in the lake. So I'm like, dang.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: But yeah, so, like, I feel good about the part, though, where,
• 54:38
  Speaker 8: you know, Michael Fassbender just kind of zooms up and just, like,
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: rushes after her, punches her in the right side.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's, it's kind of what you get
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: for doing that there's so many other ways that that
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: could have been seen as horrible but I was like
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: she kind of deserves it I'm sorry I'm like he
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: stole his child.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I mean I did there was a part of me
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: that was like trying to figure out the logistics of
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: this like where are the cops where are the like
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just kind of like yeah it's been hours.
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: He probably doesn't want to explain you like like who.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It is I know we'll see and then that put
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: me back into the category of being like.
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: This guy's a dick like I mean.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: He's a manipulator he's charming he's really sexy He's, like,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: he was good for her. You know, it's a complicated thing,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: what he does in her life and everything. But he's
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: also a dick because he is cheating on his wife
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: with this woman and then taking on her family, and
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: then nobody seems to know that each other exists.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: He's walking on a tightrope right there.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: But I think it's also really, like, well put together
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: the fact that nobody is horrible like everybody's kind of
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: bad in their own way because even then when you
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: get into like you know he's he's doing all that
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: but then.
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: He's still like supportive of her and you know tries
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: to be you know again.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I think even when he like smacks her it's almost
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: like a parental thing that's the moment when it kicks
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: in when he's like No, no, like it's almost like a, no,
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: you're not supposed to do that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: And then he just leaves.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: It's like, that was all he needed to do. It's
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: like he was scolding her, but then you get even
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: to the mother. Cause you get to those moments where
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: by the end you realize the mother really does love her.
• 56:13
  Speaker 9: Just doesn't know how to go about it. She doesn't
• 56:15
  Speaker 9: need to be a mother.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: The mother's not a mother. She's a companion. She's a
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: person that she lives with.
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: They're sisters. That's what it is. It's a house of sisters.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Like sisters, they're rivals and they're They hate each other
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: and they love each other and, like, that's what's going on.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: So I think with all of them, you know, at
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: least it gives them all a little bit of humanity that, like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: there's not somebody that's horrible.
• 56:42
  Speaker 9: Like, in some of these movies, really, like, you could
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: make her mom just, like, an evil, horrible person.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: And it's like, by the end, you're like, no, she's
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: just a bad mom is all she is.
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: She doesn't need.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: She's... essentially a decent person to some extent. She just
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: does not need to be having kids and she's kind
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: of trashy. There's all kinds of bad points about her,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: but she's not a horrible person.
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: She still loves this girl. She just doesn't know how
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: to do it right.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's human.
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what it does. She's not Mommy Deer.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: She's not Joan Crawford or anything like that.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Again, she doesn't go out of her way to be
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: that evil because she doesn't care, really.
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: It's just like, I'd rather just lay on the couch because.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: That's what I do. It's interesting that she was like.
• 57:23
  Speaker 10: most trashy single moms are, like, looking for a dad
• 57:27
  Speaker 10: to take care of their kids.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: So they don't have to do their work.
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: And she didn't.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: She's just like, I don't want them to come on
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: this drive with us.
• 57:33
  Speaker 13: No.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: She did not care that he showed affection for her kids.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, she saw it as a, she saw this
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: competition and she was correct.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rightfully so.
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. Like, well, actually, yeah.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: She, actually, that was.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: completely what was going on yeah but i think it's
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: i mean do you guys think it was ambiguous if
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: she knew or not though that was the thing i
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: can't figure out i think it was like.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: She subconsciously knew i don't think she knew on the
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: surface yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I mean because i mean she told her the whole
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: thing about like i almost had an abortion with you
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: and stuff and it's like i guess you're supposed to
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: read that as she's saying i know what you did
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: i don't.
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: Think she knew per se because then like right after
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: that the younger sister was like i know what she
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: did and i'm gonna tell yeah yeah But I don't
• 58:17
  Speaker 10: think she knew. I think she was just taking her
• 58:19
  Speaker 10: anger out on her.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just like with a lot of
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: single parents, and then they get into a relationship, and
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: the relationship.
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: Doesn't go well. By the end, if you're just striking out,
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: they will blame the kids. They'll be like, well, that's
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: why they left. It's because of you. And they don't
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: want to be with somebody with children.
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I think it could have easily just been that kind
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: of thing of like, I know why I left. It's
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: because I've got these damn kids. Because I'm sure he
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: didn't tell her what all went on. So he's just like, well,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I'm out of here.
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: Whatever.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: I can't deal with this.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: That would be the first place you would go. Well,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: if it was just the two of us, things would
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: be fine. But I have these damn kids, and they're
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: bringing me down.
• 58:52
  Speaker 9: So I think it was more of that bitterness kind
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: of attitude. Okay, okay. For me, that's how it ran.
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: It's easy to just blame, like, your whole shitty life
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: on the fact that, you know, when I was a teenager,
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: I got knocked over and had to deal with all
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: this stuff.
• 59:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so there's a whole life of blame laid on Mia, basically. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: There we go.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Well, and again, the other thing I was going to
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: say is how much they, like, everything, again, part of
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: this whole overall world that kind of comes together.
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: Everything is, like, trapped. Like, everybody is trapped in this
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: little life.
• 59:22
  Speaker 10: I think the horse was, like, a symbolic representation.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the horse is 16.
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Which.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: That horse is.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It's basically, I mean, Mia's 15, but she'll probably be
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: 16 in a minute. Yeah.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And that hits her as hard as anything could possibly
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: hit her.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: That's what I thought was interesting. Out of all the horrible,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: as horrible as her life.
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: Is, the moment that she breaks down and she can't
• 59:45
  Speaker 10: take it is when that horse dies.
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: But I don't think, yeah, again, I don't think it
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: was the specifics of the horse.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the culmination.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: The horse is like, again, her trying to free it
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: from those chains. I mean, it's just like, it's freedom. Like,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: it becomes this whole, and that's why she.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: Keeps going back to it. Like, she's there three different times.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: When, like, she got busted that first.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Time, you know? It's just like she.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: It seems like that whole horse angle is, like, by
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: the time it gets to the end and she realizes
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: it died, it's almost like that was her hope.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: Like, it was the symbol of, like, well, you know,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: the horse is still there and the horse.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: even in our world, like the horse symbolizes like a,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: you know, running in the plains. It's this open, especially
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: the American version of, you know, running out in the plains,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: wild and free. And like, there's this horse on a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: chain and like, that's her only way.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: In a parking lot, in a parking lot.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: And again, it's almost very much like her just trapped.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: It's just her trapped in this little town.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: And that's what's happening a whole lot of times with
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: the sets and the way that she frames things is
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: because a lot of times it is, people in small
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: spaces looking at big spaces, right? So it's always looking
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: out the window at the sky or you're looking out
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the window at the field or you're looking across the ocean.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Like that's what's happening all the time, but you're in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: this tiny, tiny space and stuff.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: So it's like... Okay, but the horse dying, the end
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Whatever with Michael Fassbender's character, and all this is her
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: being like, I'm packing my shit up, and I'm getting
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: out of town. Now, she's running away, and it's not
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: like she's fixed her problem. She's still going to go
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to this new town and.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: have trouble potentially but she's still taking it's an act
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: of will to be like it's.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: It's being screw this place about which which is.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Something her mother doesn't do and that's that's the difference
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: when you see that scene between them in the in
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: the in there and it's like you see mom is
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: just sort of compliant and she's going to stand there
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: and she's going to listen to her music and she's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: going to curl up on the couch And she's going
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: to get drunk and she's not going to do anything
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: the rest of her life. She's going to raise another
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: kid that's going to turn out wrong.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: And she's probably going to be fat.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: And that's the only, like, that's the difference is Mia
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: takes this initiative to get the hell out of there
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: and to consciously make a choice to do something else
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: that the mother never did.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: The mother will never do.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: And it feels like, too, the reason that the scene
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: is in there with the strip club is The scene
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: where she.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Thinks she's gonna go audition for a dance team, I guess.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Just insert this.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Was I the only one that, as she pulled that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: off the window, that's just a strip club flyer, right?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that the first time.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 13: I didn't.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: It just didn't occur to me.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: But when she gets there, which not only when she
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: sees people, but the first thing you see is the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: sign that says this is an adult act.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't say that on the flyer.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: So she's just naive. She just doesn't know what it is.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: All she sees is the answer.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: But when she shows it to him and he's like, oh,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I think you should have, like she was going out.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: For a battle later.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, like he should have known. The fact that he
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: was just like.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he, of all people, should have known. Yeah, but
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: at the.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Same time, I will say, though, in that, I mean, like,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: the text on that flyer is, are you, it was like,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: are you an urban dancer?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: Are you da-da-da?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Like, so it does look like it could be something else.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Because that's why the rest of the way through. But
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: how you would get paid, I don't know.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he said that. Yeah, I was just like, okay,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: maybe not.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: But I think that scene's in there not just because
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, look how bleak her life is.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: She can't even get a job dancing unless she's going
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: to be a stripper. It was also to be like,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: She kind of needs to give up on that dream.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: She's only 15, though. Any 15-year-old with a dream, they're
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: going to be shitty at it. You've got to build
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: it up. If she dances for the next five years
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: and then when she's.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: 20, she may be okay.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I think if she dances with people who will teach
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: her for the next five years, maybe that's what happens
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: when she gets the whales.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: It'll be awesome.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: It's almost her like, coming to terms with reality of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: realizing this isn't just a dream job. That's going to,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: you know, put you in a music video. This is
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: a fucking strip club. You know, this is going, this
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: is her like, and the fact that she walks out,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: like she doesn't, she realized she looks around at these
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: tired ass women. It was just like, I don't want
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: to be one of them.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 10: I think originally it was like, it was almost disappointing.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 10: Cause it's just like, this was your shot and this,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 10: it was nothing.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: But at the same time, it's just like, I almost
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: feel like her becoming a stripper one day is, like, linear.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: You know, like, someone in her position, that's exactly what
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: might happen.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 9: That would have turned her into her mother.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: Feasibly to her life, you know? Yeah, I probably was
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: a stripper.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: But, you know, it's just, like, that could be her life,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 10: and she looked around, and she's like, I don't want this.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: This isn't what I want.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: That was one of the better, more inspiring parts of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: the movie when she just walked out. Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not doing this.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the most useful thing you've done with your
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: life up to now. Just get the hell away from that.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: Because those people didn't really seem concerned that she was
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: not of age.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: The fire did say, you know, 17, and she could
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: lie and say 17, and maybe she looks a little young,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: but she could.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Have passed for 17. It is true, though. It's obviously
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: inappropriate for her. She's not dressed right. She's not whatever.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: And as she's leaving, one of the judges is like,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: what the hell is that? It's just kind of like, well... Yeah, like, whatever.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: It bothered me she left the CD.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Because she left all that behind. Because that dream is
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: left behind.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: But, like, Bobby Womack's awesome.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: But that even shows, like, how out of the loop
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: she is and how not sexual she is.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 18: She doesn't even understand this is true. The girl that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 18: you're watching in the beginning there, who is frightening, by
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 18: the way, but, like, her song is very stripper-esque. And
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 18: then you get to, like, Bobby Womack.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Doing california dream i'm like you do not know how
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: to be a stripper for god's sake to get.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Out yeah well and even that that just reminds me
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: going back to the dance troupe that she was involved
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: with and like how they showed those girls at the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: very beginning like those girls are being they're not sexy
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: but they're being extremely sexual yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: They're wearing hooker clothes and stuff And she's obviously.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: Doing the like.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, doing that whole thing.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: No one can really see this, but you know.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: And like having, and.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: So, and she's having a falling out with those people.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, was she having a falling out with those
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: people because of this?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 15: Because.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: Because she's better than them. Like not just dance wise, like.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Just period. She's a little bit better than them.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love that little Mia.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: There you go.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: I thought, you know, and like, I thought it was
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: interesting and maybe not like extremely poignant. But when she
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: runs into those girls again and she says to the girl,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: what happened to your eye?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: Did your dad miss your mouth?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: You know what it's just like?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And then she's like, you need to be quiet because
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: your left eye is going to match your right eye.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: That's one of those, right off the bat, that headbutt
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: at the beginning, I was like, this.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: Girl is hard.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Because that girl didn't even say anything. She just walked
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: up and banged him.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 10: I just kept thinking throughout this entire movie, Shane even bothered.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Well then maybe that's part maybe you're seeing that is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: her progressing because I mean that's the moment that she
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: picks up the flyer right and then she sees them
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: the second time and she doesn't engage she has this
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: she gets nasty and then walks away and it's like
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: okay well that's already an improvement over what we saw
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: earlier so she's growing she's already getting an outlet of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: some sort.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: Poor baby hmm.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: So she couldn't give it up. She shouldn't give it up.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 8: You need your dreams. Teenagers need their dreams. Even if
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: they're going to change later.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 9: She should go to school.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: She should get an education. She can dance in school.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: She's so driven by that. I think she does seem
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: to be committed to it. If she had someone... Instead
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: of her in an abandoned room dancing to a music
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: video and YouTube clips.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: That's true. She really, like, just.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Not based on her skill level, maybe, but based on
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: her drive, I think she probably could.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 10: Honestly, when this movie first started and I saw her dancing,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 10: I was like, oh, I gotta hope this doesn't, like,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 10: step up.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When my boyfriend kept walking in on every dance scene, like,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: he would come in and he's like, are you watching
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: a dance film?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm actually not. You just keep walking in.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: On the seven dance scenes that are in this whole
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: movie somehow she.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Didn't have the big flash dance scene at the end
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: where she had to show the judges what she could
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: do yeah and I hadn't thought about that but yeah
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: that's it that's the flipping that whole thing on the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: table right there it would be so sad if she
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: really did show those judges yeah see Andrea.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Arnold loves this girl she's not trying to.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Be like this is super bleak I think by the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: end it's very helpful like she's not.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: When I agree Lynne Ramsey, who I.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Respect Lynne Ramsey a lot, but Lynne Ramsey's very in
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: love with depression.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she likes the fucked up kids.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or like Aronofsky, or people.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: Who, this is what they do. Just wallowing in misery.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, or Kelly Ricard, or whoever, who are really good directors,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: are really, really good, but it's kind of.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Challenging to figure out how you can pull something kind
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: of hopeful out of something so... So low.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 9: This, I think, totally, by the end, is very hopeful
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: for her. It's not for anybody else.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: Cause that whole, and that's, that's another thing I noticed
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: is how much, cause he, the Michael Fassbender even says,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: this house really likes.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 9: To drink or whatever.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: I'm just like that, like everybody, we see everybody, including
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: the younger sister drinking at some point.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: I'm just like, again, that's again, not just that household,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: probably that whole area.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Like that's their life is like, And it goes back
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: to that escape thing. It's like this, you know, instead
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: of trying to escape and instead of trying to better
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: this horrible situation, I'm just going to stay drunk all
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: the time. And that's my temporary escape. That's my lazy
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: way of dealing with it. If I'm just drunk all
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: the time, I don't really have to deal with how
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: bad this is.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Although, really, that seems like a.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: Horrible, horrible plan.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 10: I feel like the mom was, like, so resigned to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 10: the way things were. You know, even at the end
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: where they're dancing to Life's a Bitch, she's just like, well,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 10: you know. that didn't work out with that guy. That's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 10: just the way it is. Like, let's wallow and dance
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 10: and hate everybody and be bitter.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: I found that scene incredibly moving.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: It really was. I wasn't sure how to, because, you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: the mother's a total bitch to her daughter and all
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: of a sudden, like, having this moment. Yeah.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: I love that the little sister put her hands on
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: her hips.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: Like, that was like, I was like, Yeah, I was
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: annoyed by the sister that whole first half. And then
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: by the end, I'm just.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Like, aw.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: Nah, the sister's good. She's annoying. She's annoying.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: She's awesome.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: Well, I just got depressed because, like, the little sister,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: she's not going to turn out well. I mean, she's
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: smoking and drinking.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: Saying nasty words.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Let's hope she gets in the painting. Who knows?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: Hopefully.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: She can draw kitties really good. She can draw those
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: kitties good.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: She's only going to get encouragement from some pedophile.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: And her mom will bring those home.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Just to say that, though, actually, I thought about that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: for a minute because they do have the scene where
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Michael Fassbender carries her to bed.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: And it was like, what's this part going to be?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 10: Also the part where he's shaving and she has to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 10: pee and he's like, I won't look.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah so it is like i mean it could
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: he ain't all innocent he's got his thing going.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 10: On yeah like that pedophilia not okay i'm not condoning
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 10: pedophilia but you know it's just like i don't even
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 10: want to believe that this guy is a serial.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: That this is what he does yeah yeah because again
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: that house is.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Almost too put together for him to be constantly just
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: running around. Like, it seems like this was the one
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: time he had the breakup with her and went off
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: and found this other girl. And, like, it didn't seem
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: like that could happen all the time in that little family. Like,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: it was still a little too perfect, pieced together family
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: and household.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Where did the wife think that he was? I know.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: That's what I was wondering.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: She kicked him out.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: He was just at a hotel or something.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he keeps referring, that's his mother.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: His mother. His mother. My mother's calling.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Again, there was all these things I was sort of
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: picking up on, but I didn't know where it was going.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Because he said that, and I went, so he's screwing
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: around with somebody else at least, right? Yeah. Immediately, I already, again,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: that's just my conniving mind. It's just like, he's up
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: to something already. It's like, I know better than that.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Get some clothes on, man. I've got
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: some clothes on. You're half naked. You don't normally care. Yeah, well,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I do now, so get dressed. Why are you talking different?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Shall we get a move on, yeah?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Where are you going?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: We're not going nowhere. Well, why did you just say,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: shall we get a move on, then? Listen, we're only
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: going for a drive.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 8: You want to come?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: No. Both of you?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they won't want to come.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Look, we're not going nowhere. I don't care. I still
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: want to come.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: Off you go, then. Get dressed.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: But again, there's so many, like.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: moments there where like him and her in the water
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: is like again it does not play at all creepy
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: really I guess depends on how you want to look
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: at it but he's again for that moment they are
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: almost family like and they really it kind of works for.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: A minute well and it would be interesting though what
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: if he weren't so attractive I mean, if he were
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: an unattractive man doing all those things, would we be
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: having this conversation?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: No, we wouldn't.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 10: I think it would be different if she, I don't know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: I feel like there's almost some leeway because she was,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 10: she didn't push it in any way, I don't think,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: but she was.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Obviously in love with him, you know? She admitted to him, like.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 10: That she was in love with him and, you know,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 10: it was really hard to watch the scenes where she would, like,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 10: look at him and he was, like, with her mom and, like,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 10: that was so awkward and painful and, like, I don't know.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. But, I mean, I guess that's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: the point.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Like, if he had not been the attractive, charming man
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: that he is.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: This wouldn't have happened. This wouldn't have been like this.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Well, and again, not that we haven't called out the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: mom for being bad, but you just reminded me the,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, what the hell is she thinking?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: This guy that she met.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: Yesterday has been around these kids twice, is carrying her
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: to bed, and maybe she didn't know he was taking
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: her pants off, but you should be there making sure.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: Like, it was.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: sweet of him on the one hand, but on her end,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: it's like, why the hell are you letting this strange
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: man that you barely even know take.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Your daughter into her bedroom and undress her?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: If she's not thinking about that.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: She doesn't give a fuck.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: Again, bad mother.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 9: She's just a bad mother. She's not for a whole lot.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 8: She just doesn't give a fuck.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: She doesn't.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 10: I think, you know, if she had known to the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 10: full extent of, like, what had gone on between Mia
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 10: and Connor, she would have responded more with jealousy instead
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 10: of a maternal protection of your child. If that had
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: ever happened, like I have no children, but if that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: ever happened to any child in my life that I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 10: care about, I will find that person and I will
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 10: destroy their life.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 9: It's like the whole.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: huge monologue towards the end of precious where she's like
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: not upset because like my boyfriend raped my daughter like who's.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: Gonna love me yeah yeah i've never seen precious because
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 10: oh really well super bleak movies.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: That have no.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 17: Hope right oh god well i think again we we
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 17: went to the the end dance scene there i that's
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 17: one of the things i wanted to get into but
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 17: because again that Once that kicked in, I was just like,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 17: this movie.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: Is so well put together.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Because the two main songs that come into play, there's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of music thrown in, but most of it's just,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: you know, dancing stuff for her to do her weird
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: dancing to. But the two ones that come into play
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: are California Dreamin' and Life's a Bitch.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: And the more I thought about it, I was like,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: they're so perfect.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: And then as I got into it, I was like, basically,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: now you wouldn't think.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: Those two could be any more different. Like, opposites, Nas and.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: Who wrote it? Was it Beach Boys? I mean, everybody's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 9: got the Beach Boys and Mamas and the Papas.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: Was it Mamas and the Papas?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, everybody's covered that.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Everybody's covered that. But again, it's a very hippie, 60s
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: kind of song. But the more I thought about it,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, they're saying the exact same thing.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: They're just coming at it from opposite ends. California Dreamin' is...
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's basically.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: It tells this nice, dreamy version, and it focuses on
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: how great it is in California.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: But if you're listening to the song... They're not in California.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Like, they're talking about how cold and gray and kind
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: of miserable they are, and they're wishing they were somewhere else.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 9: Isn't that this whole fucking movie?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Like, isn't that exactly.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: And that's Connor's perspective. Connor's perspective is that's what he's doing,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: because he is an optimistic, fun, again, charming, like, fun-loving
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: person and stuff.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: And the mom is, I'm sure, not.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: But also thinking from the Connor angle.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 9: Because he loved that song beforehand. Is he still feeling
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 9: that in his life before he met all these people?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Is the trap that he's in now, the wife and
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: the daughter and the little house, and he really does
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: wish he was out in the world and maybe just
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: hooking up with random moms like this. I mean, is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: that his little part of why he's still like the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: teenage version of him that used to love this song
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: has now found.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 9: This new angle in it?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: You're just saying that made me think maybe that's his
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: weird angle of why he loved that song so much.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: But then you go to.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's... I mean, it's so weird that that
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: cheery song, as it were, really, like, if you get
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: into it, it's.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: About kind of, like, I'm miserable. I wish I was
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: somewhere else. That's the entire focus of this movie.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: So the fact that they work it in there.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: As subtly and as oddly as a stripping song as
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: they do is really genius. And then to sort of
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: bookend it with life's a bitch, which, again, completely sums
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: up this movie. Because, I mean, the main focus... Life's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: a bitch and then you die. That's why we get high. Again,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: that's in that entire household. That's that entire neighborhood. Maybe
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: they're not, again, in the household, they're not so much
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: getting high that we see, but that's the drinking. Like,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: the drinking is, that's why we drink, is to numb
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: the fact that we're dealing with.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: This day in and day out.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: And it's, again, it's an attempt to escape very minimally.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: But I don't know. I thought those two songs.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: As opposite as they are, we're still perfectly put together
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: in this movie.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 10: Well, I think the fact that Mia was so drawn
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 10: to the California Dreamin' song and her mom was like,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 10: what is this weird? It just shows that she's the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 10: only person in the movie that has a chance.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Of getting out of making it. She doesn't seem optimistic.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: She definitely....
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She's got some problems.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. She's got some issues.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 9: There you go.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: But, you know.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Well, and to go on with Andrea Arnold's, like, career,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: she followed this up with Wuthering Heights and did her
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: version of Wuthering Heights, which is that same, it's the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Moors of England.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: And stuff, but it's a lot of that whole.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Look let's go out into the fields and let's look
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: at this stuff and she made and Heathcliff is black
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: in Wuthering Heights and her version of Wuthering Heights to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: really like be like this is what's going on this
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: is this forbidden love this is the gypsy that Catherine's
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: not supposed to be with kind of thing And that
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: that's what she does.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And it's like, this is who Andrea Arnold is, and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: this is who female directors are.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: About, like, that sexuality among people is complicated.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 15: It's not so simple. It's not a simple thing. And
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 15: that's what's in this movie and stuff. That, like, this experience,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 15: which could... very easily be a black-white issue. This is
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 15: a molestation experience.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Look how horrible it all turns out. It's like, actually, no,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: it's a freeing experience for her.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: It's complicated.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: It ends badly.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: It's whatever. But it's like, I hope she's not pregnant.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: But this is what's happening. And that's another way she
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: could have made it bleak. She could have been pregnant.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: At the end of this. We didn't do that.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: So here we go.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: Just out of curiosity, did you see Take This Waltz?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 8: Speaking of female directors with Female directors.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: With, yes, complicated visions of everything.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, what do you think?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: I thought it was really, really good.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought that I've never really seen a
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: movie that does that. You're watching someone's marriage break up,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: and you really watch it happen, and you watch what
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: happens when you break up with someone, and you get
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: with that person you broke up with, and how that's
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: not happy either.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Because it's... it's kind of hard to be happy together.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: It's hard for anybody to be happy together.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you can't just break up with someone
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: and think everything's going to be great the next time around.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: You're going to come up with these same problems again.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: And that was extremely good. You did a really good
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: job with that.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 8: I thought it was interesting. I'm not going to give
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 8: away any spoilers, but I was curious because it's about,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: she's in a happy marriage, but then she falls in
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: love with another guy. How is this going to go?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: Is she going to condone the extramarital affair or is
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: she going to have her stay in what is really
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: an unfulfilling marriage you know like it's happy in quotations
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: or or how's it going to go so I ended
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: up being actually really pleased with.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah how she ended it Sarah Polly is a really
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: good director and oh and I did want to bring
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: this up at some point today Sundance right now has
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: 16 films in competition it's eight women eight men directors
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: that's happening right now so it's like.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: It's a whole new world. It's a whole new world.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: Especially an independent film.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a really long time of everybody being like,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: why aren't there more female directors?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Why aren't there more female directors? And it's like, well,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: and everybody comes up with all their armchair psychology of
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: why there's not.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, maybe just they just, female directors
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: just need to start doing it.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Just do it. Just go do it.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: It's all good.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Or we finally have the technology to do it. Because
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: you don't have to wait for.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: A studio to give you the go-ahead, which they rarely
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: would do for female directors.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 9: And now you just fucking make one.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: And hopefully what the trend has been in the past
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: has been that, yeah, you get to go to Sundance,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: you make your first film, everybody's all buzzy about it,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: and then you never get to make a second one.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: So hopefully that will stop. I think it already has.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: We've already seen two and three just in these last
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: five years. We've seen a lot of female directors come
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: back with follow-up movies just a year or two later.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is good. We live in good times, y'all.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 9: Once again, very hopeful like Mia.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here we are. Just like us. I am a
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: hopeless optimistic.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 8: Here we go. I also found riding in cars with
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: boys to be very depressing. Speaking of, again.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: There you go. I've never watched that movie, so there
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: It's good, but it was just like another shitty mom.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: There's just like an endless amount of those.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, shitty moms.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's... Shitty moms. Not just movies.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Shitty mom movies.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: I guess it's just.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Such a normal, everyday kind of happening.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: And it's just like, well.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: Don't worry, there's shitty fathers out there, too.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it was like, I read an interview with Katie Jarvis,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: and it was talking about her.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Because they were trying to make parallels, right?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: Between.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: her and Mia.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: And she was like I'm not she's like I'm not
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: really like that but they had to make a point
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: this is where we're at they had to make a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: point of saying her parents broke up but she's still
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: in touch with her father and it was just like
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: I think that was the.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 9: Same thing I read. That was a weird interview.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Her bringing up the abortion question.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like, did you want to have an abortion?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: But in the first half of it, they're just promoting
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what movie promo brings up your abortion option?
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 9: I was like, this is weird.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: A weird English interview.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Guardian interview. I was like, American interviewers,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: we just do fluff boards. We wouldn't bring that up.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about abortions. Not in the middle of
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: a movie promo.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 8: Anyway.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Watch Fish Think, everybody.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: So what was your take on the title itself?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Other than.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: It's contained, right?
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: So it's a world that's contained within something that you're
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: looking at.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: They're looking out through the glass at the outset. They're
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 8: looking out. It's a California dream, and they're looking at
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: better things.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's kind of how I had heard it.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 9: It is very, like.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: It is a self-contained little world, and it is you, like,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: as the, it's a very voyeuristic thing.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: You are very in the middle of these guys. Also.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: It's kind of like, the camera just follows her from
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 8: behind as she walks.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, some of those handheld shots are kind of weird. Like,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 9: you do kind of feel like, whoa, you're right up
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 9: on top of her.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 8: Like, she starts running, like, the camera. The camera, yeah.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 10: Also, like, when she got to Connor's house, where he
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: lived with his wife and his daughter, even before she
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 10: broke in, you're just thinking, like, She is not supposed
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 10: to be there. You just had this, like, sense of foreboding. Like,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 10: you don't belong here. What are you doing here?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Like, this is weird.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: It felt uncomfortable.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 10: Like, the whole scene with the nice houses and the,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 10: you know, it just seemed so, like, uncomfortable.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 9: It's a different fish tank in the fish shop.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: They did have one little shot to, like, show you that, like,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: because when she first walks into the estates, there's, like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: a blonde girl about her age coming out and.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Looking at each other.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Giving each other the, ah.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: She's like, what are you doing in this neighborhood?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Piece of, what are, what are.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: In your tracksuit.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: And your ponytail.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: What's the British word for trashy people? Or like.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are plenty.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Well, does anybody know, what is pikey?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Does anybody know what pikey is?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Because that's what the sister calls Mia's boyfriend-ish person.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 10: I think like the British word for like, What we
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 10: would call wanksters, like shav?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Something like that.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: We have British listeners, so you guys listening, email in
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: and let us know what.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Let us know what pikeys are.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 9: Tell us what you call your trashy friends or the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 9: people down the street that you don't like.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I do like to use the word skank.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: But yeah, for my... You were trying to make an
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 9: odd tie-in earlier.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take it a different way that probably
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: most people wouldn't, but my companion piece to go with
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: fish tank is the sitcom Fish Hooks.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know this. If you're not familiar with it,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: it's on the Disney Channel. But, whoa.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: But it really, actually, for one of their shows, which
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: usually are lame, it's pretty well written. Like, it's an
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: animated show, and it's actually relatively funny if you haven't
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: watched it.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: I feel like you've talked about other Disney channels.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: I haven't.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 9: I don't have it anymore, so everything's dated now. I'm
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 9: out of the loop. I don't think it's Disney. It
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 9: was actually pretty big, like, two years.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 8: Ago, but... I like how two years ago it was dated.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 9: That's kind of weird. As we said earlier, that is
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 9: old school.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: The kids now are into totally different things that I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: can't keep up with.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 9: But that was what was funny.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: The whole thing is actually a little weird sitcom, and
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: it's in these fish tanks, and everybody has their own
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: fish tank.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 9: And each little scenario, its own little world, its own
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: little drama. And then occasionally they'll pull back and you'll
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: see the whole little headshot.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: And each one has a little.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: And sometimes they'll go on like a trip outside and
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: go to another tank.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a great experimental film.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was like, as silly.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: As it seems, I was like, there's a big tie
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: in here between Fish Tank and the Disney sitcom Fish Hooks.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 9: There's your companion piece, people. Go watch both of those
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 9: and see if I'm making it up. And, you know,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 9: Oscar's pretty funny too.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: If I were an experimental filmmaker, which I am not,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I would be making that movie right now of the
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: fish tanks.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I would do that. I would rip that off immediately.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: I'm just going to have to do my little pretentious
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: intro now. Today we'll be making comparisons between the indie
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: film Fish Tank and the Disney Channel sitcom Fish Hoaxes.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: You'll find they have more than just their finny names
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: in common.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: That sounds good.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 9: We're set now.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: We're going to pull in a high caliber, green nerdy.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 8: That reminds me of, I think actually somebody else on
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 8: the podcast posted this. I can't remember who it was,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 8: but somebody took Rear Window and they just kind of
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: compiled all the shots of the courtyard and just made
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: it into this whole portrait of the day. So like
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 8: you have all these dramas going on. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 9: That's, that's another one that's very close to, it's.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: A different scenario, but it all kind of works the same.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: Everybody's got their own little world going on.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 8: Or like, uh, same back to key New York, the
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 8: whole huge warehouse. He makes like everybody, nobody's an extra.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 9: So I don't know.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: I think that was, that was most of my take,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: unless you guys have anything else.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 10: Uh, a pikey is a person of low class. And shav,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 10: I don't know how to pronounce it exactly. It's been
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 10: a long time since I've heard it actually said, but
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 10: it's like shav, C-H-A-V, which is like, I think it's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 10: typically like a white person who's into like African American culture.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, which there is a lot of that going on.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it is.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: It's a weird, well, that's another thing I was thinking
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: that's so weird that like, shav.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 9: Kind of that same thing we were.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Talking about earlier but in that culture it's like all
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: the like the hardcore ghetto black culture that's going on
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: the white suburb kids that get into it it's it
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: operates the same In two entirely different areas. These kids
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: are doing it for no damn reason. They're doing it
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: just to mimic this group. But the way that they
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: interact with each other, the show of pride, the way
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: that they do all of that.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Stuff operates kind of the same in two entirely different areas.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: But the only time we see talent in this entire
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: film is black people dancing. That's the only time there's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: any talent in this. And again, coming from a tiny
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: town in Kentucky.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Same damn thing. It's just the way it was. It's like,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: Well, even then, like, all the music that he plays
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: that's good is black people.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 10: And I said African American to be politically correct, and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 10: then I realized how dumb that is because, like, if
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 10: you're in England, you're not going to refer to the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 10: black person.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I just don't do that because I kind of hate that.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 10: I hate that term, and it's just, like, I find
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 10: myself saying it because I feel like I'm pressured to. Like,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 10: if you, like, refer to someone as black, people will get, like.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 9: It depends on the situation.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: I'm reminded of that scene in Bruno, and, like, he's, like,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 8: talking to the whole audience of black people and insisting
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 8: that everybody in Africa are African-Americans, and they're all like, no,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 8: they're not African-Americans. Like, yes, they are.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: You're being racist. They're not African-Americans. This is awful to say,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: isn't it? The only people in Fish Tank are black.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Most cultures will come along with that.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: The only people who can actually.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Do some really impressive dance moves, because that was awesome,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: by the way.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: That whole scene where he was flipping over and over
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and over again, that was really good.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 9: So there we go. And James Brown is cool.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: And James Brown is awesome.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: That's the point of all that. Bobby Womack.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: That is the thing. Actually, I do know who my
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: dad is. I don't know him, but his last name
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: is Womack.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 9: Whoa.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 8: Here we go.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 10: I feel like I'm the descendant of Bobby Womack and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 10: Ann Kurtis.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 9: To balance out.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: The white end, I think a lot of the Mama
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: Doesn't Pop This stuff was pretty good.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 9: They're the whitest damn people in the world.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: So just to balance things out, there's talent all across
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: the color.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 8: Spectrum. I'm just reminded I acquired a 20-pack of Spaghetti Westerns,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 8: and I had a friend over last week, like, we're
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: going to drink beer, order pizza, and watch Spaghetti Westerns.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 8: So I gave him the box, and he picked the
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: Fighting Fist of Shanghai Joe. Which is basically a martial
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 8: arts movie combined with Spaghetti Western and Klaus Kinski's in
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: it too. He's in a couple of these movies in
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: my Spaghetti Western bag. It's about this Chinese guy who
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: suffers racism but he just kicks everybody's ass. While saving
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 8: Mexican slaves. That's good too. So I recommend the Fighting
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 8: Fist of Shanghai Joe.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: It's awesome.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: He like jump kicks people with his crotch and.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: That's skill.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Did you hear that Kloskinski's daughter has come out that he.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Molested her a whole lot? Is there anything he hasn't?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: She's basically like, you know what?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: It's really painful that people keep coming up to me
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: and telling me that he's a good man.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: He's not a good man. He's a terrible man.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 9: We saw a creature. He's not a good man.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: I actually mentioned this on Facebook because I read this
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 8: right before I watched the movie because I was looking
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: up which spaghetti restaurant I wanted to watch. And that
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 8: is all Facebook, huh?
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, I'm not really surprised. Last movie
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 8: I saw him in was Creature. He was very rapey
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: in Creature.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 10: I like that you say that in Brian's reaction.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: What happened he does?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't expect.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 9: Those sort of behaviors from a former Nazi.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: We are the most insensitive group of humans.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: He was awesome in Fitzgerald.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: We've said many a time, just because you've done something
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: horrible in your personal life doesn't mean you can't turn
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: in something artistically impressive.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: We've had that.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 9: You have to separate those two. It's a true thing.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: There are people that do horrible things, and they're very talented.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: Lots of artists are pieces of shit.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 8: He was really creepy in The Fighting Fist of Shanghai Joe,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 8: just for the record as well.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: I think he's pretty creepy in general.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 9: He can be a decent actor, but that doesn't take
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 9: away from the fact that he's a creepy dude.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 8: His name was like Scalper Down. That's creepy.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 9: Super creepy.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: Fishtank.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: How do you end this guy?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: We will say thank you to Tracy for sitting in
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: with us and getting knee deep in the middle of
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: our discussion here. And to Dreamland Film Center for letting
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: us loiter around in here.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 9: So yeah, do you want to plug the website?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: We're at LouisvilleFilmSociety.org and we try to screen three weekends
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: a month.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: Okay, if you are in the area, come hang out here.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 9: If you're not, start driving right now. You could be here.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 9: But check the schedule.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Don't just show up randomly because there might not.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 9: Be anything going on. This is true. I'm rounding this
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 9: thing out. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 9: next week. Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, whoa, people, boys and ladies, get it for yourself, oh,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 13: that's what you get, that's what you get.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is the power.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 13: And you can always win.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: And you can always win. I need more.
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  Speaker 13: I need more.
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  Speaker 1: I need more.
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  Speaker 2: I need more.
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  Speaker 3: I need more.
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  Speaker 2: I need more.
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  Speaker 13: I need more.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 13: And the sky is pink I'll be forward I'm gonna
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 13: be good today I'm gonna be the dancer I can
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 13: live today I can live today Got it for the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 13: dreaming Got it for the dreaming Got it for the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 13: dreaming Got it for the dreaming Got it for the dreaming.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: I have an orderly amount of man crushes for a
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 8: straight man. It's like I have a co-worker who looks
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 8: like Ryan Gosling, except he's 90, except he just turned 20.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll see.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 8: It's like Anthony with the prettiest eyes.
• 1:36:19
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