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Bonus Episode: Tupac Shakur Case Closed? · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life?
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  Speaker 1: Just a touch to get you through?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we discuss the answer, finally, to one of music history's
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  Speaker 1: burning questions. Who killed Tupac Shakur? We also get into
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  Speaker 1: some of the new episodes that we're covering in our
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  Speaker 1: upcoming season, plus... We get into your emails, comments, DMs,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is
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  Speaker 1: the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
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  Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
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  Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories
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  Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it. Usually when they solve a murder mystery
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  Speaker 1: in the movie or television series that you're watching, there's
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  Speaker 1: a feeling of satisfaction. And sometimes that satisfaction is tinged
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  Speaker 1: with a bit of sadness because you know that what
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  Speaker 1: you're watching is about to end. And you know that
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  Speaker 1: these characters you've fallen in love with are about to
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  Speaker 1: no longer be a part of your life anymore. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we're all experiencing this in real life right now.
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  Speaker 1: The end of the Tupac Shakur case feels incredibly unsatisfying.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when they convicted Dwayne
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  Speaker 1: Keith D. Davis of first-degree murder with a deadly weapon
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  Speaker 1: for orchestrating the 1996 drive-by shooting death of Tupac that
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  Speaker 1: happened this week, I was left with this feeling of,
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  Speaker 1: is this it? What happened has been staring us in
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  Speaker 1: the face for decades. This was over a street fight.
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  Speaker 1: A stolen chain? Some bloods and crips beef? What about Diddy?
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  Speaker 1: What about the royalties Suge no longer had to pay Tupac?
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  Speaker 1: What about the Illuminati, man? I thought Tupac staged his
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  Speaker 1: death to escape fame. I thought Castro and Tupac's aunt
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  Speaker 1: faked the hit. What about the seven-day theory? Hold up,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna convict Dwayne Keefe D. Davis on his testimony
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  Speaker 1: about being in the back of the car where the
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  Speaker 1: shots that killed Tupac were fired from, but We're going
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  Speaker 1: to ignore Dwayne Keefe D. Davis' testimony alleging Diddy offered
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  Speaker 1: a million dollars to anyone who took out both Tupac
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  Speaker 1: and Suge Knight? I guess so. For numerous reasons. The
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  Speaker 1: main one being that Dwayne Keefe D. Davis proved himself
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  Speaker 1: to be an unreliable witness who could offer no proof
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  Speaker 1: for the theory that I just laid out. But his
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  Speaker 1: simple explanation of the stolen chain the brawl that's on tape,
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  Speaker 1: and him admitting to being in the car and providing
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  Speaker 1: the gun to his nephew who fired the gun at
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  Speaker 1: Tupac and Davis's own admission that had he been closer
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  Speaker 1: to Pac, he would have fired the gun himself. That testimony,
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  Speaker 1: that story, it was too simple to ignore. But sometimes
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are too big to fail. The mystery of
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  Speaker 1: who murdered Tupac Shakur has been Present in our popular
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  Speaker 1: culture for nearly 30 years, it's been pulsing through our
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  Speaker 1: collective bloodstream like an antibody for boredom. If the conversation
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  Speaker 1: at the party got boring, if a Tupac song came
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  Speaker 1: on randomly during a long drive, if 50 Cent tweeted
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  Speaker 1: out something hysterical at Diddy, we could count on a
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  Speaker 1: good back and forth with somebody over the hows and
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  Speaker 1: whys behind the mystery of Tupac's murder. But now, that's over.
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  Speaker 1: But not really. Because just like our favorite characters from
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  Speaker 1: the TV series that we love, we don't want to
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  Speaker 1: let go. Because we can't accept the resolution to this story.
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  Speaker 1: It's too simple. It's too clean. It's too boring. We've
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  Speaker 1: built the mystery of Tupac's death into something we're incapable
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  Speaker 1: of reconciling with because... Any explanation that doesn't achieve the
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  Speaker 1: same level of drama as the theories we've been obsessing
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  Speaker 1: over for the past three decades is inherently unsatisfying because
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  Speaker 1: the mystery of Tupac Shakur's murder is a conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 1: too big to fail. So I want to know, do
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  Speaker 1: you accept the verdict, the conviction of Dwayne Keefe D. Davis?
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe that this is it, that Keefe D.
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  Speaker 1: gave his cousin Orlando Anderson the gun To fire at
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  Speaker 1: Tupac in retaliation for the beatdown Tupac and his crew
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  Speaker 1: gave Anderson over the theft of a necklace? Can you
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  Speaker 1: accept this explanation and put down the conspiracy theories for good?
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  Speaker 1: 617-906-6638 to leave me a voicemail or send me a
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  Speaker 1: text to let me know your thoughts. And you might
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  Speaker 1: hear your theory on next week's Disgraceland After Party bonus episode.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: You heard me tee up some of the more popular
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories there involving Tupac. Seth and I are going
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  Speaker 1: to dig into these in more detail in the exclusive
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  Speaker 1: section of the After Party coming up at the end
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  Speaker 1: of this episode. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to
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  Speaker 1: unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad-free listening. Okay. In
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  Speaker 1: your feed right now, we have a special preview of
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  Speaker 1: all the new episodes that we're bringing to you in
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  Speaker 1: the coming season. A little bit more on these later,
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  Speaker 1: but we're talking about Queen, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Who Killed
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Fuller, and more. So make sure you check that out. Now,
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  Speaker 1: one of the stories that we're covering in this upcoming
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  Speaker 1: season of Disgraceland investigates the truth behind some of the
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  Speaker 1: wilder statements Quincy Jones made toward the end of his life. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there are three outrageous claims Quincy Jones made that involve
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  Speaker 1: musical crimes or music and crime. So I dug in
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  Speaker 1: to find out if Quincy Jones, the greatest music producer
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  Speaker 1: of all time, was telling us the truth. First, theft.
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  Speaker 1: Was Michael Jackson a musical thief? Quincy said Michael stole
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  Speaker 1: a lot of songs. As producer of Michael's best work,
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  Speaker 1: Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, why would Quincy Jones
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  Speaker 1: say this? We're going to find out in our episode.
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  Speaker 1: The second, fraud. Quincy Jones claimed that the Beatles were, quote,
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  Speaker 1: no playing motherfuckers, and specifically that Ringo couldn't play his
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  Speaker 1: instrument in the studio. Now, is there any truth behind this?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to find out in our episode. The third
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  Speaker 1: crime involves murder, because Quincy Jones claimed that because of
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  Speaker 1: his close relationship with Frank Sinatra, that he knew who
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  Speaker 1: killed JFK. Now, come on. By now, We all know
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  Speaker 1: who killed JFK, but did Quincy Jones know something else?
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  Speaker 1: And how exactly would he have gotten this information? Who
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  Speaker 1: killed JFK? No playing motherfuckers in the King of Theft,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the King of Pop, in the Quincy Jones
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland coming soon. So, in addition to investigating
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  Speaker 1: the wild claims Quincy Jones made about Michael Jackson being
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  Speaker 1: a thief, about the Beatles being unable to play their instruments,
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  Speaker 1: about Frank Sinatra being the reason that Q knew who
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  Speaker 1: killed JFK. In the upcoming season of Disgraceland, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to learn who killed Bobby Fuller. We're going to learn
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: what the hell just happened with Reggie Watts and his
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  Speaker 1: recently deceased ex-girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Learn if As I Lay Dying proves that the Christian
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: metal scene is full of fake Christians. And just in
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: time for Halloween, we're going to find out if Mr.
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  Speaker 1: I Put a Spell on You Screamin' Jay Hawkins was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Everybody knows about his 75 kids or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but very few people know about this theory that some
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  Speaker 1: of the people who are very close to Jay Hawkins believe,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that he did not die of natural-ish causes,
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  Speaker 1: but that he was instead murdered. We're also going to
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  Speaker 1: find out what the hell was up with the Queen
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  Speaker 1: bile pic from a couple years ago. Was the real
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  Speaker 1: Freddie Mercury story just too fucking crazy, too debauched, too
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable to put on screen? Well, yes, yes, and yes.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to give you all the Radio Gaga
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  Speaker 1: details in the Queen episode of Disgraceland. That's coming up next.
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  Speaker 1: That's next week. Plus, we get into Alice Cooper, David Crosby,
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: Blind Melon, Shannon Hoon. and more in the upcoming season
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  Speaker 1: of the Disgraceland podcast. So that's part of our special episode.
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  Speaker 1: It's in the feed this week. We preview all of that.
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  Speaker 1: We get into it in lots more detail than I
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  Speaker 1: just did. Coming up right now after this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: because of the recent conviction, this happened last week with
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  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's death. We had Billie Holiday all teed up.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go to Billie Holiday in the rewind slot.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't. We went to Dolly instead for obvious reasons
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  Speaker 1: this week. We're going to go to Nirvana parts one
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  Speaker 1: and two in the rewind slot, but that's not happening
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  Speaker 1: now because of the Tupac conviction. So we're going with
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  Speaker 1: our Tupac episodes, parts one and two. You want to
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  Speaker 1: hear about Tupac's rise and fall from his days in
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  Speaker 1: art school in Baltimore to being the face of one
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  Speaker 1: of the baddest record labels in the world. And you
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  Speaker 1: must listen to both parts of the Tupac episode in Disgraceland.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you've heard them before. In light
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  Speaker 1: of recent news, these are must-listen episodes, as are our
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  Speaker 1: episodes on Biggie Smalls as well. Those are in the archive.
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  Speaker 1: You can find those. Now, on Tupac, though, has there
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  Speaker 1: ever been a more contradictory character for music history? than
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  Speaker 1: Tupac Shakur? He was both a scholar and a brawler.
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  Speaker 1: He studied art, poetry, theater, and he had thug life
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  Speaker 1: tattooed across his abdomen. He was emotionally vulnerable in his lyrics,
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  Speaker 1: but violent In the streets, he once shot two off-duty
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  Speaker 1: police officers, and he beat down director Alan Hughes. He
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  Speaker 1: honored his mother in song, but was sentenced for first-degree
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault. He dated the queen of cool, Madonna, but
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  Speaker 1: was prison pals with Alyssa Milano's lame TV dad, Tony Danza.
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  Speaker 1: Tupac was born on the East Coast, but repped Bloods
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  Speaker 1: Red for Death Row out on the West Coast. He
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  Speaker 1: was friends with Biggie until he wasn't, and his death
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  Speaker 1: has been one of music history's greatest mysteries that turns
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  Speaker 1: out wasn't that mysterious at all. We get into all
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  Speaker 1: of this and more in the Tupac two-part episodes coming
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  Speaker 1: your way in the Rewind slot this weekend in Disgraceland. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: coming up after those Rewind episodes... our new episode on Queen.
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  Speaker 1: And our angle here was all the debauchery that Freddie
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  Speaker 1: Mercury got up to that was left out of the biopic.
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  Speaker 1: And the question of the week is, it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: the inverse of the Queen biopic. It's what music biopic
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  Speaker 1: have you seen, do you feel, gives an honest depiction
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  Speaker 1: of of the musician's life. Which music biopic best gives
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  Speaker 1: an honest depiction of the musician's life? Let us know.
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  Speaker 2: 617-906-6638.
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  Speaker 1: I'm constantly mulling this over in my mind. And look, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't think that music biopics
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  Speaker 1: should be just like, you know, documentaries, essentially. I get
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  Speaker 1: that things, believe me, I get that things need to
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  Speaker 1: be dramatized. However, sanitized is a different story completely. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what I feel like this Queen biopic was. It
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  Speaker 1: was sanitized, not sensationalized, sanitized. Sensationalized isn't good either. Like
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  Speaker 1: an example of one that I think is great is
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  Speaker 1: a Serge Gainsbourg music biopic, Loretta Lynn's Coal Miner's Daughter.
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  Speaker 1: There's a bunch that are great. We've talked about them,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to talk about them again in this context.
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  Speaker 1: So hit me up 617-906-6638 with your answer. And you
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  Speaker 1: might hear yourself on next week's after party. All right, discos,
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  Speaker 1: your answer to last week's question of the week with
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  Speaker 1: your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more coming up right after this.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: I need you in here. You've got to get in here.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to talk. You might be able to hear
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  Speaker 1: it in my voice, but I'm recording this really early today,
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  Speaker 1: much earlier than I normally do, and for no good reason.
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  Speaker 1: I just am. Tupac's got me all riled up this week.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get you guys in here. Let's do some questions.
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  Speaker 1: Hear your voices. Here's some voicemails. 617-906-6638. We had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on last week. The Dolly Parton
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  Speaker 1: news really kind of, shook everything up for us. I
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  Speaker 1: get a feeling your answers, your voicemails, your DMs, your
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  Speaker 1: texts are going to be all over the place, and
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  Speaker 1: that's good. I like talking about a lot of different things.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Clinton from the 317.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, it's Clinton from the 317. I was listening
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  Speaker 2: to you and Zef talking about Dolly Parton stories, and
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  Speaker 2: there was one I saw that cracked me up. It's
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  Speaker 2: video footage from a concert where And a fan shouts out,
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  Speaker 2: I love you, Dolly. And she shouts back, I love
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  Speaker 2: you too, but I told you to wait in the trunk.
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  Speaker 2: And it just hit me in a really funny way.
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  Speaker 2: She is such a funny lady. And she will absolutely
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  Speaker 2: be missed. Keep on doing what you're doing, man.
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  Speaker 1: Love the show.
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  Speaker 2: Rock and roll it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Dolly Parton, just hysterical. Clinton, love the story. Hadn't
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  Speaker 1: heard that one. If you guys missed that conversation, that
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  Speaker 1: was from last week's exclusive section of the After Party.
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  Speaker 1: Zeth and I got into sort of the lighter side
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  Speaker 1: of Dolly Parton and some of the more anecdotal, interesting
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff that stories that people were sharing out
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  Speaker 1: there on the internet and really, really funny ones after
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  Speaker 1: she died. Clinton, hadn't heard that one. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the 937. Hi, Jake.
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  Speaker 3: I really liked your show. I just finished the episode
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  Speaker 3: about Alice Bagg, and you'd asked about other underground artists that.
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  Speaker 2: Had an influence.
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  Speaker 3: I'm from Dayton, Ohio. We had a band here called Brainiac.
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  Speaker 3: They were an amazing band. Their lead singer, Tim Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: he died in a car accident, but it was a
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  Speaker 3: pretty big shot. They actually did a documentary about him.
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  Speaker 3: Melissa Offamaro was a big fan. And it might be
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  Speaker 3: an interesting story for you to look up. They basically
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  Speaker 3: recorded an album that was okay. Computer before.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Computer.
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  Speaker 3: And it was called hissing pricks and static couture. Just
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  Speaker 3: something for you to look into.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks. Have a good day.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, nine, three, seven. Appreciate the voicemail. I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that about, I didn't, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: the singer brainiac died. I had no idea. I actually
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  Speaker 1: saw brainiac back in the nineties at the middle East upstairs. Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: were downstairs. I can't remember. They were great. Never really
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  Speaker 1: listened to any of their albums. I remember the show though.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember them being a thing, but damn man,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like an idiot because I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: their singer died. I'll look into this. Sounds really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate the call. I had no idea about the OK
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  Speaker 1: Computer influence there as well. I love that stuff too.
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  Speaker 1: We were just talking about that as it pertains to
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  Speaker 1: Beck and Serge Gainsbourg. I love when you hear an album,
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  Speaker 1: you know an album and you think you know the
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  Speaker 1: shit out of it. Like I know, okay, computer. And
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  Speaker 1: then you hear something else and you're just like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, I cannot believe how similar this is. I
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  Speaker 1: cannot believe that this was sort of the deep dive
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  Speaker 1: that the artist whose album I've been digging on, this
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  Speaker 1: is where they were going for influence. It's so obvious now.
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  Speaker 1: That's the case with Beck's Sea Change and Serge Gainsbourg's
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  Speaker 1: Melody De Nelson. It sounds like it's the same thing
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  Speaker 1: here with Brainiac. and hissing pricks and static couture and okay. Computer, uh, nine, three, seven.
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  Speaker 1: Really great call. Appreciate it. All right. We got a,
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  Speaker 1: from nine, seven, eight. We got a, uh, we got
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  Speaker 1: a video here. It was texting into us. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to play this. It's short, super short, kind of noisy, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Now what do I do?
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  Speaker 1: That's Helltown Mark in the 978. If you didn't hear
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  Speaker 1: what he said, he said, damn it, Jake, now what
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  Speaker 1: do I do? And he did that because his text,
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  Speaker 1: the text that he accompanied with that video says, boom,
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  Speaker 1: all caps, done, lol, okay, I guess I should say.
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  Speaker 1: current just finished the Alice bag episode. And I will
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  Speaker 1: continue to add from each future episode, but here you
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  Speaker 1: have it. Every song ever mentioned from every full episode
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  Speaker 1: of disgrace land in one playlist created by hell town,
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  Speaker 1: Mark disco. I was going to say disco of the year,
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  Speaker 1: disco of the century. I'm looking at the playlist on
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  Speaker 1: Apple Music here. Let's get some data. How many songs?
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  Speaker 1: What am I looking at? This is big. The description
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  Speaker 1: says it's called Disgraceland Songs. And then the description says,
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  Speaker 1: I compiled this list because I don't need the rights
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  Speaker 1: to podcast cheese. And this is all the number ones
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  Speaker 1: and every other song mentioned in Disgraceland, Rock-A-Rolla. And I'm just,
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  Speaker 1: this is everything from Van Morrison to NWA to Bob Marley.
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  Speaker 1: So this isn't just the number one songs I talk
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  Speaker 1: about in the A block in the tops of the episodes.
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  Speaker 1: This is, even when I reference a song, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nine Who songs I'm looking at here. that
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  Speaker 1: were mentioned in the Who episode, I'm guessing. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: down here. It's got a bunch of Oasis, Stone Roses,
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  Speaker 1: a guy called Gerald. I don't even know what the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: fuck that is, but I must have talked about it
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: at some point, because Helltown Mark went through all of
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  Speaker 1: our episodes, notated each song that was mentioned, and put
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  Speaker 1: them in this playlist. Bunch of Tupac here that I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at, Wanads by Honeycomb, Graham Parsons, Jay Giles Band,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: The Misfits, Dolly Parton, Ramblin' Jack, Elliot, Slim Harpo, Donna Summer.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: My goodness. This thing goes on and on and on.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Great job, Mark. I'm obviously going to put this in
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the Patreon chat where Mark hangs out with the rest
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: of the discos who are in there as part of
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the disco community. But I'm also going to do something else.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to make a real so that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I can bring this to the masses and point people
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to this epic playlist. Mark, I'm trying to figure out
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: how many songs are on this freaking thing. And I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: think because I'm not signed into Apple at the moment,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and perhaps maybe because there are so many damn songs
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and I just keep scrolling and it just keeps loading,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: it's not telling me how many tracks are in here.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Call us back, text us back, 617-906-6638. Give me a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: song total if.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: You don't mind.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Not that you need more work. Not that you haven't
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: done enough. But I'm interested to know how many tunes
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: we have mentioned in all 290-ish episodes of Disgraceland up
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to this point. Amazing, dude. Incredible. I can't wait to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: listen to this. Thank you so much. Very cool. All right,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: this one comes as a two-part text from the 681
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: comes from Blue. It says, hey, Jake, this is going
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to be a two-parter. It's Blue from the 681. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: just had to tell you how absolutely beautiful your tribute
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: was to Dolly Parton. I've been trying to find a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: word to describe her, and you nailed it. She had
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: immense grace. I grew up listening to country music via
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: my huge extended family, and I loved her voice, music,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and most of all, her wit. Music has been the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: soundtrack to my life from all the bubblegum pop music
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: right up until I discovered my older brother's Beatles 45 records. Yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm that old. I loved a wide variety of music
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: as a teenager, got away from the contemporary stuff and
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: got into metal and then graduated to other genres, goth, punk, bluegrass, rap, country,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and blues. And as a kid, I wanted to learn
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to play slide guitar, but my mother decided that I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: should play piano. So I took 10 years of classical lessons.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Blue goes on to give praise for Zeth and I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and the shows that we do and the conversations we have.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And Blue, I just got to say, thank you so much.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Hope the broken ankle is healing up. I appreciate you
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: writing in. Thanks, Blue. Lisa texts in from the 907. Hey, Jake,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you might have already covered this great quote from Dolly
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Parton in the exclusive section of your last After Party
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: with Zeth, but it's worth repeating. Quote, I'm not offended
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: not dumb. And I also know I'm not blonde either.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: We should all be so self-aware. Lisa from the 907.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: That's great. Love that. Thanks, Lisa. All right. Guys, Disco's.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: 617-906-6638.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Hit us up. Voicemail and text. You might hear yourself
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in the after party next week. Gonna want your music
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: biopic recommendations specifically on the ones you think are the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: more honest depictions of the musicians' lives. You can also
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: hit me up at DisgracelandPod. Get in the comments. That's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: going to get a surefire quick response, if not from me,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: from some other fucking lunatic or maybe a fellow sane disco.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And if you want immediate access, just jump in the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Patreon chat and the discos will get at you. I'll
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: get at you. Seth will get at you. We're all
• 22:20
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• 22:22
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• 22:26
  Speaker 1: member and get in there with your fellow discos. Get
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: all the exclusive content, the upcoming conversation I'm about to
• 22:34
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• 22:38
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• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Go to DisgracelandPod.com to sign up. All right. I'm going
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to be back right after this with your emails. Don't
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: go anywhere. I have the ultimate respect for Dolly. Rest
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in peace. But I didn't grow up with her, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: she doesn't hold that much nostalgia for me as she
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: does for others. My top five American songwriters would be
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Peart, Lana Del Rey, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Paul Simon, with Stevie Nicks as an honorable mention. Keep
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: up the great work, and if you read this on
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the pod, I will literally die. Rock a rolla. Don't die.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Please don't die, Mary. Okay? Mary goes on to say,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I know I just sent this in, but I realized
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and totally forgot that you asked about American songwriters, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Neil is Canadian. Because of this, I replace him with
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Stevie Nicks. I didn't realize Neil Peart wrote Rush songs.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about Rush, guys. But, you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Mary's prompting me. She's compelling me. I'm compelled by the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: email of Mary. I'm compelled by the email of Mary.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I must learn more about Neil Peart and Rush. There's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: a Rush episode out there. I know there is. Something
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: about a brawl. I don't know. Something. I heard something once.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I know there's enough. I got it written down somewhere.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Darren emails us. Hey, Jake, I understand
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that sometimes there are just certain roadblocks that prevent entrance
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: into the catalog of a band. Willen was your roadblock,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: but that tune is just the tip of the iceberg.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Do not miss out on one of the great bands
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of the 70s. Lowell George is indeed one of the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: great singer-songwriters, side guitar players of his era. He had
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: so much soul and played with such a beautiful touch,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and he left us way too soon. Here's a playlist
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of songs that you should listen to. And they were
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: so funky and just in the pocket. Tons of soul.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Spanish Moon, Feet Don't Feel Me Now, Skin It Black,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Two Trains, Fool Yourself, Fat Man in the Bathtub. There's
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other ones here. He goes on to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: say at the end of the email, and check out
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Robert Palmer's first album, Sneaking Sally Through the Alley, Little Feet,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and The Meters are the backing band. Killer album, including
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a version of the Feet tune, Sailor Shoes. I know
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that album. I own that album. I love that album.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And somewhere in the back of my brain, I knew
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the Little Feet was affiliated, but had blocked it out.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: All right. You have convinced me, sir. I think what
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do, I love the playlist. Thank you.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But I think I'm just going to queue up Feet's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Don't Fail Me Now. I'm going to start there.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe while I'm cooking. Sounds like this would be good
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: kitchen music. Okay. Kitchen music. There's an idea. All right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite Hollywood subjects in Hollywoodland this week,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: in the Hollywoodland feed with Zeth, Dr. Zeth Lundy. We're
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: talking Sharon Tate. All right. And in the Dirty Wrecks,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: we get into songs from 1969. And I promise you,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I did not recommend songs from 1969 that are obvious.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I promise you that. Go to the Hollywoodland feed. Make
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: sure you're subscribed. Get in on that conversation with Seth
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and I. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio app, Spotify, wherever
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Listen.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: This film should be played loud. Got to say, new
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: episode on Licorice Pizza is up now. We are filming
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the next one this week. That's going to be on
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Gross Point Blank next week. I think we're doing it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Seth and I can't seem to figure
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: out when we're filming this damn thing. Anyways, here's a
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: clip of the Licorice Pizza This Film Should Be Loud
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: episode that's available for all Access members right now on Patreon.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up and join. Matt, play
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: him the clip. I was really excited to cover this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: movie and this film should be played loud because I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: saw this movie whenever it was made first available, like
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the first minute you could watch it at home, I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: watched it. And I don't remember if it was one
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of those things where it was like it had a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: long theatrical release or a short one. I don't remember.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: All I know is I was there for it. I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: watched it in the fog of having a new young
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: child in our home. And I promptly just, I don't know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: it didn't get my full attention. And I remember being
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: completely excited to watch this movie because of the music
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in the trailer in particular. And so anyways, I'm stoked
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to dive back into this. That was my first experience
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: seeing the film. You being a PTA mega fan... I'm
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: sure you were camping out at your local theater to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: get tickets. Well, I wish, dude.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: But if I recall correctly, this didn't have a super
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: wide release. And it didn't perform exactly all that well
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: at the theater. I think it lost money. So when
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: it was released, I don't even think it played anywhere
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: near me. So I saw it the way you did
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: the minute it hit streaming. I think I bought it
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: on Apple TV.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And this is, what, 2021? 2022?
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: The very end of 2021. So we probably saw it
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: early 2022 is my guess.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So it's in that weird period, uh, where like a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: year and a half, a year and a half outside
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of COVID and things are still kind of half open,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: not open, depending on where you are in the part
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of the country and what fucking strain of the virus
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: was currently trendy that week. And so every, it was,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it was still weird is my point. We weren't, we
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: weren't back to normal. Um, So I wonder what that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: had to do with the business side of this film.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. This film's fucking great. I don't
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: care what anybody says.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And the music is amazing, as the music in all
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of Paul Thomas Anderson's movies are. Yep. And he does
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: this beautiful thing that I love that Spike Lee does
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that we were talking about in Do the Right Thing
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: in the last episode of this film, Should Be Played Loud.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Where he just let he lets these songs go and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: go and just creates this like beautiful atmosphere where he's
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: using needle drops as as score in the truest sense
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of the word. Almost almost like a big 1950s John
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Ford type of thing, you know, with this expansive orchestral piece.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But instead here you've got, I don't know, Susie Quatro
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Gary Puckett. But he also does a similar thing that
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Spike Lee does, where there is a score in this
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: film composed by Johnny Greenwood of Radiohead, who's done, I think,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: all of PTA's scores since There Will Be Blood. He
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: does this thing where Johnny Greenwood's score is playing and
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the characters will go into a place, a store or
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: a bar and there's a song playing in there and
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: so the score and the needle drop are both playing
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: at the same time and it's incredible filmmaking. I remember
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: he does this in Magnolia in the bar scene in
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Magnolia and And, um, I remember with, uh, William H.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Macy and he's got, he's got a crush on the
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: bartender and there's a super tramp song playing in the
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: bar while John Bryan's score is playing. And it's just,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it's just incredible.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So he, he hasn't worked with John Bryan since starting
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to work with Johnny Greenwood, huh? That's, that's interesting. Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: So John Bryan did Magnolia and Punch Drunk Love, right?
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: And then he pivoted to, he must've met John cause
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: he's shot music videos for Amongst other people, Radiohead and
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Haim and Fiona Apple. So he must have met Radiohead
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: that way, I guess. Or maybe it was vice versa.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's doing something with Geese now, isn't he?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: PTA?
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he and Benny Safdie were seen shooting Cameron Winter's
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: solo show at Carnegie Hall.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: At Carnegie Hall, right?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I read that. That's going to be incredible. Whatever that is.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, yeah. Whatever that's going to be, we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: are absolutely here for it. All right, again, you want
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to watch that? You want to watch this film? Should
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: we play that in its entirety? Sign up. Become an
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: all-access member at disgracelandpod.com. Listen, I've got to get Dr. Lundy.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: He's knocking at the door. I've got to get him
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: in here. We're going to have this conversation about, what
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: are we talking about? We're talking about Tupac conspiracy theories,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: some of the more crazy ones. I want to know
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: about the seven-step thing. Does that have anything to do
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: with the 12-tone theory, John Coltrane, that whole thing? I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: don't think it does, but both are swimming around my
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: head at the same time, perhaps. Maybe we're just going
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to talk Fidel Castro and the Black Panthers. I'm not sure.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Zeth's bringing it to us. You can find out alongside me.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Go to disgracelandpod.com, become an All Access member, and let's
• 31:31
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• 31:46
  Speaker 1: All right, we are back and I'm ready to get
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: out of here. But before I do, I'm just going
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to say, hey, thanks. Thanks for being awesome. Thanks for
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: being you guys. Thanks for showing up every week. Thanks
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to all the all the discos who have been here
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: for fucking eight years. Thanks for all the new listeners
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: as well. There's a ton more of you guys. I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: see you. I see you coming in every week. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: see on the socials. I'm getting the emails. I'm getting
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the text. I'm getting the voicemails. And I just want
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to say thanks. I appreciate it. All right. Newbies, old heads,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: whatever you are, you want to hear some other Disgrace
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Land episodes. If I mention an artist here, it kind
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of gets you excited about digging in more. We have
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: so many episodes in our archive. I think we're around
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: like our 290 episodes. We're close to 300. All different artists,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: different genres. You got any questions about anything, you need
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: some guidance in culling your way through, hit us up.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: at DisgracelandPod on the socials. Hit us up, 617-906-6638. Send
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: me a DM at DisgracelandPod. I think I just said that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Email me, DisgracelandPod at gmail.com. Let's recap, shall we? Number one,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: this week, our new episode is the preview of the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: coming episodes in the new season of Disgraceland. Check that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: out if you want the inside dope on what's coming
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: down the pike. Number two, in the rewind slot this weekend,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: our classic episodes, part one and part two on Tupac Shakur.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Next week, number three, our new episode on Queen. Number four,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Zeth's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in Hollywoodland, so make sure you are subscribed. I'm going
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: to give you my music recs in the Hollywoodland Rap
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Party as well. This film should be played loud. That's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: our video podcast. Our new episode on licorice pizza is
• 33:35
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• 33:38
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• 33:46
  Speaker 2: 617-906-6638.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep your answers
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to this week's question of the week coming. Let me
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: know whatever else you want to talk about. I'm here
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: for it. Don't forget this goes, this isn't just content.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: It's a community. a community of the obsessed, and no
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: grime that ties them all together like you do, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that's a disgrace. All right, back on September 13th, 1996,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Tupac was killed, and this is what America was listening
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: to on that day according to the Billboard charts. Number one, Macarena,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Bayside Boys Mix, Los Del Rio. Last week, one. Peak position, one.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Weeks on chart. 39. Number two. I love you always forever.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Donna Lewis. Last week. Two. Peak position. Two. Weeks on chart.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: 13.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Number three. Twisted. Keith. Sweat. Last week. Three. Peak position. Two.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Weeks on chart. 13. Number four. Lounge. LLT. Last week.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Four.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Peak position. Weeks on chart. 13. Quit talking and start mixing.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Cut it!