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9-02-26 Hour 1: ESPN's NFL Top 100, Guess Who?/The Deion Conundrum/Kroenke Buys the Los Angeles Angels · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane On Demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 1: every weekday morning from 7 to 10 on Altitude Sports
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  Speaker 2: All 31 teams is watching film and they pick up
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  Speaker 2: on tendencies on different schemes defensively and you know we
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  Speaker 2: got a variety of coverages of different sets up front
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  Speaker 2: so teams could really pick up on that. So I
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  Speaker 2: think the main focal point is, you know, VJ was
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  Speaker 2: talking about eyes and discipline because teams going to lure us,
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  Speaker 2: you know, into more boot action, you know, more play
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  Speaker 2: paths and stuff like that. You know, we've been looking
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  Speaker 2: at that, you know, so far and we've been getting
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  Speaker 2: that a lot. So I think defensively teams are going
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  Speaker 2: to try their best to stir our eyes.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, I think the focal point for us
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  Speaker 2: is to lock in on our assignment.
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  Speaker 3: That is Pat Sertan discussing the different ways and different
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  Speaker 3: looks he thinks the Broncos defense is going to get
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  Speaker 3: this year. You know, I have, if I may, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, I got to tell you, I'm blown away.
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  Speaker 3: I went to the Rock, Paper, Scissors tournament last night.
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  Speaker 3: I had so much fun. I thought it was such
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  Speaker 3: a fun watch. I was looking at Vic towards the end.
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  Speaker 3: I was starting to get a little adrenaline going. It
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  Speaker 3: was like a best of five, best of seven on
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  Speaker 3: these things. A lot on the line.
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  Speaker 4: I loved it.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, I want to thank all of the
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  Speaker 5: wonderful people that listened to this radio show and this station.
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  Speaker 5: The attendance mark was unreal. That place was packed. Rooftop
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  Speaker 5: Social is a beautiful venue. Shout out to them. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much for hosting. The amount of people.
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  Speaker 5: That came for this competition. And it hit me, Brett.
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  Speaker 5: It hit me, Nelly. And Moj, here's the one thing
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  Speaker 5: that I walked away with this experience. I thought going
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  Speaker 5: into this, I was like, yeah, rock, paper, scissors, whatever.
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  Speaker 5: I don't watch cartoons, right? That was my attitude going in.
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  Speaker 5: My attitude going out was, I know what it is now.
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  Speaker 5: I'm in love with competition. And it could be anything.
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  Speaker 5: It could be any competition. As long as there's competition
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  Speaker 5: involved and people are into it, you're so right, Brent.
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  Speaker 5: The rush of adrenaline as that got down to the
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  Speaker 5: final four.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And the final two. And you're like, okay, we are
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  Speaker 5: invested in this sucker. It was awesome. Could not have
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  Speaker 5: done it without the loyal listeners who showed up and
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  Speaker 5: played and were really into it. And congratulations to Jake,
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  Speaker 5: the masked bandit, who walks away with two tickets to
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  Speaker 5: that opener in Arrowhead.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 5: Not even kidding.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, Moj, rock, paper, scissors is going to be
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  Speaker 3: pretty lame. And now I've come away saying to myself,
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  Speaker 3: I want to go to every rock, paper, scissors tournament
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  Speaker 3: that exists in the world.
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  Speaker 4: It was a blast.
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  Speaker 5: Dude, Moj, I'm of the opinion we should be broadcasting
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  Speaker 5: that live on Altitude TV next year if we do
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  Speaker 5: it again.
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  Speaker 4: How about this?
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  Speaker 3: It's way more entertaining than the hot dog eating contest
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  Speaker 3: they do every Fourth of July.
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  Speaker 4: I would watch that over a hot dog eating contest
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  Speaker 4: every day. Yeah, because there's thinking.
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  Speaker 5: There's thinking involved.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, these people had strategies. You're going to learn later, Moj.
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  Speaker 5: Jake's going to join us, right? The winner of our
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  Speaker 5: first ever. Yeah, I'll join us for a few minutes today.
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  Speaker 5: So the winner is going to join us. He's going
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  Speaker 5: to tell us about the strategy he employed. And everyone
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  Speaker 5: I spoke to last night, and I know you did
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  Speaker 5: the same, they had some sort of strategy on how
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  Speaker 5: to do this rock, paper, scissor thing. And I'm sitting
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  Speaker 5: there going, wow, I mean, I'm not quick enough to
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  Speaker 5: employ any strategy. But it got intense and it was fun.
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  Speaker 5: Great job, Kevin Shockey, for originating the idea and making
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  Speaker 5: it happen.
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  Speaker 4: It was awesome. What kind of strategy could you really employ?
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  Speaker 4: It just seems to me.
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  Speaker 5: You'll see.
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  Speaker 4: He said. It seems to me.
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  Speaker 3: People don't throw anything three times in a row.
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  Speaker 4: He said.
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  Speaker 5: Elbow out on paper.
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  Speaker 4: Elbow out on paper.
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  Speaker 3: So when you go like this, scissors and rock, your
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  Speaker 3: elbow stays in. If you can catch the elbow coming
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  Speaker 3: out quick enough and react to it.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: There's some stuff to it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Elbow out.
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  Speaker 3: He'll explain here sometime later in the show.
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  Speaker 5: He was very detailed. I mean, this guy was very
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  Speaker 5: freaky about... And what's funny about it, I show up
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  Speaker 5: to the place, and there's Brett, and there's Jake, the
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  Speaker 5: guy who won it, and immediately he gave me his
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  Speaker 5: explanation of what he's going to employ. He was so
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  Speaker 5: confident he was going to win.
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  Speaker 3: He was.
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  Speaker 5: And I said to myself, yeah, okay, yeah, whatever, dude. Yeah, uh-huh.
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  Speaker 4: And it worked.
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  Speaker 5: And then he won.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys a question? Let's see if
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  Speaker 3: you guys can get this, okay? So ESPN has this
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  Speaker 3: article they released yesterday. It is predicting the top 100
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  Speaker 3: players for the season.
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  Speaker 4: So here's who they used.
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  Speaker 3: They used Aaron Schatz, they used Ben Solak, they used
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  Speaker 3: Dan Graziano, Eric Moody, Jeff Legwald, Mina Kimes, a whole
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  Speaker 3: bunch of people. They compiled this list of 100 players.
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  Speaker 3: There are On this list, you count them up, five
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  Speaker 3: Denver Broncos in this top 100. It's number 79, number 56,
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  Speaker 3: number 53, number 37, and number 7. Here's my challenge
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  Speaker 3: to you guys. Can you give me the five, and
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  Speaker 3: can you get the proper order in this? And you
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  Speaker 3: can go whatever order you want.
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  Speaker 4: I can start at number 1. Well, number 7? Number 7,
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  Speaker 4: it's Pat Sertan.
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  Speaker 3: Number 7 is Pat Sertan. And if I go the
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  Speaker 3: next one back, I go number 37... Who would that be?
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  Speaker 4: Garrett Bowles. Crushing it, Moj. You didn't see this? I
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  Speaker 4: swear to God. Okay. No, this is where it's going
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  Speaker 4: to get tricky, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: So now it's 53-56 at 79. Sertan was 7. Garrett
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  Speaker 3: Bowles is 37 at 53.
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  Speaker 4: Is it Quinn Miners? I feel like Moj is cheating.
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  Speaker 4: I swear to... I feel like Moj is cheating. All right, yes,
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  Speaker 4: it's Quinn Miners. Look at my face.
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  Speaker 5: At 56, it is....
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. Vic, I'll let you
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  Speaker 4: guess 56. You're on a roll now, Mos. You have
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  Speaker 4: to go. 56 has got to be. Let me try
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  Speaker 4: to think. It's Nick Benito. It is Nick Benito, and
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  Speaker 4: it's 79.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you're cheating.
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  Speaker 4: I swear to God. 79. It's supposed to be a
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  Speaker 4: much more fun game than you getting everything right. Hold on.
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  Speaker 5: Zach Allen?
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  Speaker 4: It is Zach Allen. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Here's a. Can I offer just.
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  Speaker 4: So when I'm stupid and I look dumb... That's what
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  Speaker 4: the show's supposed to be. And you make me look
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  Speaker 4: like I don't know Jack Squire.
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  Speaker 3: That's the show.
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  Speaker 4: That's when everything's good. But when I'm correct, I'm a
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  Speaker 4: total jerk hole.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, because we've already established your lack of know-how.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the deal. Here's the deal. And I'm being maybe
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  Speaker 5: too honest here. I would rather spend the next three
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  Speaker 5: hours breaking down the nuance of why Rock is thrown
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  Speaker 5: more often than scissor. Then go through another freaking preseason
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  Speaker 5: list of where every football player is ranked. Because every
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  Speaker 5: time we do this, my reaction is the same. Please,
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  Speaker 5: football season, start. Why talk show hosts across the country?
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  Speaker 5: And you're not the only one. You're not the only one.
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  Speaker 5: I've been listening to other hosts. These lists come out,
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  Speaker 5: and everybody loses their you-know-what overall.
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  Speaker 4: No, shut him off. Shut me off. I don't lose
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  Speaker 4: my stuff. I kind of like them. It's kind of fun.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I do find these fun. Second of all,
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  Speaker 3: it's supposed to go a lot better because Moe's wasn't
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  Speaker 3: supposed to nail all of them.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? I was supposed to make
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  Speaker 4: fun of them. You're supposed to say this guy.
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  Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't able to say wrong. I'm just going through
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  Speaker 4: the best players in the Denver Broncos in order and
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  Speaker 4: trying to slot them in.
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  Speaker 3: Do you really think that Nick Benito is the fourth
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  Speaker 3: best Bronco on this list?
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  Speaker 4: That did surprise me. Well, I think he is. Is
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  Speaker 4: he the fourth best Bronco? Well, he is right now
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  Speaker 4: because he's the hot topic. He's the pro bowler. He's
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  Speaker 4: the sack guy. He's the got paid guy. No, I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying is that too low? Oh, you think he should be?
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  Speaker 4: Could you go Sertan?
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  Speaker 3: Then is Benito your second best player?
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  Speaker 5: Make the argument Zach Allen is better than all of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you could. Because all you've got to do, Broncos fans,
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  Speaker 4: all you've got to do is watch film or just
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  Speaker 4: watch games and watch the way that Zach Allen wrecks
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  Speaker 4: an offensive line. Watch what he does. If I was
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  Speaker 4: a guard and a center, man, I'd be corroborating on
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  Speaker 4: any given play. The other thing about.
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  Speaker 3: This, and Moe, you talk about this all the time,
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  Speaker 3: is that Bo Nix, third best quarterback in the division.
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  Speaker 3: So he's not in this top 100. Holmes is at
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  Speaker 3: five on this list.
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  Speaker 4: Herbert's at 32. Here's my question surrounding Bo. With where.
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  Speaker 3: how the Broncos have won, how they've gotten to this point.
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  Speaker 3: For two straight years, Bo Nix is one of the
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  Speaker 3: winningest quarterbacks in the history of football through the first
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  Speaker 3: two years of his career. Had a texter ask this earlier.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Is Bo Nix for the moment?
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  Speaker 4: Is he Jalen Hurts?
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  Speaker 5: Is that who he is?
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  Speaker 3: Is he on a team that wins a lot? He's
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  Speaker 3: got a good roster surrounding him.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: But in the case of How to evaluate his level
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  Speaker 3: of play. What he is as a QB.
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  Speaker 4: Well, who is that guy, Nelly? You sent us that
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  Speaker 4: video yesterday. Oh, the dude on the NFL Network? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I forget his name. Willie Colon? Is that who it was?
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  Speaker 4: Who says... Bo Nix helps the Broncos win, but he's
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  Speaker 4: not the... What did he say?
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  Speaker 5: He's not the reason.
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  Speaker 4: for the winning.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's always one of those weird things in football with
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks that people do that all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let me say this. I can show you a
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  Speaker 4: lot of quarterbacks who wouldn't help the Broncos win if
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  Speaker 4: that's what you want.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know... Look, I've already gotten filleted
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  Speaker 4: on this program for... saying I'm not excited about Bo Nix. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: he does exciting things. Yes, he can be exciting. But
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sitting here on this Wednesday morning going, I'm
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  Speaker 4: still excited about Bo Nix. And then people absolutely rail me.
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  Speaker 4: Here's my question. Well, let me defend myself. Okay. I
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  Speaker 4: can find you a lot of quarterbacks. who would not
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  Speaker 4: help the– in this league right now, who I don't
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  Speaker 4: believe would help the Broncos win the way this guy
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  Speaker 4: can help the Broncos win.
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  Speaker 5: He's got to be a system fit, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, of course.
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  Speaker 3: A texter says, Nix is not the third-best quarterback in
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  Speaker 3: this division.
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  Speaker 4: How's this for a curveball?
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  Speaker 3: At no point in his career has he ever played
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  Speaker 3: as well as Kirk Cousins, is what this guy said.
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  Speaker 4: He's saying he's fourth.
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  Speaker 5: Don't like that!
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  Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, Vic, that's a
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  Speaker 4: bit much. By the way, your left eyeball was stuck
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  Speaker 4: down for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Kirk.
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  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, by the way, not the same guy as
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  Speaker 3: he was a few years ago. Go look at Atlanta
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  Speaker 3: and tell me I'm wrong there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, those injuries are catching up with Kirk. It's hard
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  Speaker 5: to assess because it's a team sport and because there
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  Speaker 5: are so many factors that go into winning and success.
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  Speaker 5: This is where it gets tricky when rating quarterbacks. And
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  Speaker 5: you're so right. It depends on who the quarterback is,
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  Speaker 5: the play calling that's out there, the coach. Some quarterbacks
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  Speaker 5: have gone through several different coordinators and coaches. It's hard
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  Speaker 5: on them. Other quarterbacks have had stability. You know, when
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  Speaker 5: Drew Brees was in New Orleans for all those years,
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  Speaker 5: he had stability.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He had a system that was catered to him, that
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  Speaker 5: was perfect for him. And that counts for something, right?
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  Speaker 4: Well, when you have a guy, Vic, that you think
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  Speaker 4: is the guy, and you're going to be there long-term,
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  Speaker 4: and that guy's going to be there long-term, it behooves
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  Speaker 4: you to cater to the system to what they do best.
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  Speaker 4: And listen, continuity matters. is a huge thing. It really is.
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  Speaker 5: What happens?
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  Speaker 4: Here's my question.
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  Speaker 3: What happens if the Broncos continue to win, but Bo
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  Speaker 3: Nix doesn't play well.
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  Speaker 5: But what, how would you define that? Because not playing
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  Speaker 5: well means they don't win. What's not necessarily examples are
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  Speaker 5: how many games, the London game last year, the London
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  Speaker 5: game was one. There's no doubt about it. Nobody played
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  Speaker 5: well and they won that game.
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  Speaker 4: What, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What defines not playing well?
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  Speaker 4: Do you, I mean, how about this? 12 of 28
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  Speaker 4: for 123 yards and two picks.
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  Speaker 5: Roll out, roll out the game stats.
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  Speaker 4: Do you consider, and this is, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Do you consider a game like Philly a good game
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  Speaker 3: from Bo Nix?
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  Speaker 4: It was a good fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 5: No, it was a good fourth quarter. Not a good game.
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  Speaker 3: So the Giants game was not a good game from
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  Speaker 3: Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 5: That was the most electric game I've ever seen at,
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  Speaker 5: Mile High Stadium.
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  Speaker 4: But no points for three quarters.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 5: enough points to fill a season.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think that Bo Nix played well that day?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's what's weird.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, no, but he did for a second, like
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  Speaker 3: he did for a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: But no, he did not have a good game. He
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  Speaker 4: had a great quarter.
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  Speaker 5: It's not about stats. Did Josh Allen play well in
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  Speaker 5: a divisional playoff game?
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  Speaker 3: But, Vic, that's not about stats. There were zero points
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  Speaker 3: through three quarters.
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  Speaker 4: Like, that's results.
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  Speaker 5: What I'm getting at, there was a ton of points
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  Speaker 5: scored in that divisional playoff game, correct?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And the Buffalo Bills scored a ton, too. Did Josh
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  Speaker 5: Allen play well in that game?
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  Speaker 4: No. Okay, well, he didn't because... Josh Allen? Hang on.
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  Speaker 4: There were times where he looked superhuman in that game.
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  Speaker 4: And there were times when he threw the ball to
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  Speaker 4: the wrong guy. So I don't know how you define
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  Speaker 4: played good. That's what I'm asking. Because there were times
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  Speaker 4: in that game where he looked like the best quarterback
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  Speaker 4: of the last 50 years. But that's four turnovers, Moshe.
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  Speaker 4: I completely agree.
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  Speaker 5: You could do this with any quarterback. You could do
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  Speaker 5: this with Justin Herbert. Is Justin Herbert a good quarterback?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Does he play good all the time?
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  Speaker 4: Well, no. Nobody plays good all the time. No.
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  Speaker 3: We can all acknowledge, Vic, there was a pretty consistent
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  Speaker 3: thing that was happening last year of not good, not good,
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  Speaker 3: not good, amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Not good, not good, not good, amazing.
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  Speaker 5: The way I would define it is slow start, an
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  Speaker 5: incredible finish. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm asking, when you say, what do you
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  Speaker 3: mean by play well?
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, to be honest, I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what that means. Vic, your brain works in mysterious
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  Speaker 4: ways at times. I want you to Think about this,
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  Speaker 4: and I would like to come back to you on
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  Speaker 4: a later basis in this show, if that's okay. Can
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  Speaker 4: we look at– I want to enumerate these. Can we
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  Speaker 4: enumerate things that happened in the Denver Broncos season last
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  Speaker 4: year that we will never see again?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the fourth quarter against the Giants. That will never
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  Speaker 5: happen again.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but I'm talking about like losing the turnover battle,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: but being, you know, the time of possession and turnover battle,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: but being a 14 win team. There were so many
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: things that happened last year, Brett. And then when I
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: say anomalous, there were so many anomalous things that we
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: won't see again. I don't think the number of one
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: score games that they won, the turnover battle, the time
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: of possession battle that I mean, everything.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Saquon in a game where he's fully healthy only has
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: six carries.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Where they have a big lead at halftime and they
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: stop giving the ball to the best running back on
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: the planet. We'll never see that again. This is a
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: sports show. It's crazy.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: At what point in this show will we talk to
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: the most successful athlete in town to date? And that
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: is Jake, the winner of that tournament last night.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I think that's going to be around 830. Okay. Somewhere
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: in that ballpark. You were enamored with him, weren't you?
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Dude, I'm not kidding.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: It's impressive. It's impressive.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: Moj, you're not allowed to discuss the excitement that we
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: witnessed last night. The drama of the moment. It was Olympic-like.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: By the way, not to pat myself on the back here,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I took a video of the championship round of that.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: I felt like I was Quentin Tarantino. I was getting
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: close-ups on faces.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: It was well done.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I had you over there. You were like the Bruce
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: Buffer the entire time. He did his carnival thing.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: It was great.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, everyone. No, but it was money. It was so good. No,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: it was pretty good.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: So we'll talk to him a little bit later in
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the show. If you ever want strategy on Rock, Paper, Scissors,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: he listened to a podcast on it.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: He can tell you about it. So we'll get to
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: that later. Stick around. This song is.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Called Where Is My Husband?
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay. It's a good, look, I like this song.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Turn it up now. I haven't heard it before. Yeah,
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: when I hear a song like this, I want to
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: do this with my hands. Sounds like Destiny's Child or
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: something like that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it does. Boy, the Queen of Chicken was singing
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: this last night.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Where is my husband? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: I had several phone calls, and I have to admit.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Don't call me that. The plan for me was I
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: was going to make a stop at the tournament and
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: then turn around and go meet her for dinner. That
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: was my plan. That was what we talked about.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Wait, you blew your wife off to call the Rock, Paper,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Scissors tournament?
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I got so into it, I couldn't stop.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Moj, I'm telling you, it is one of the more
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: shocking things where I think I just came in with,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say low expectations, but I was like,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: it's a rock, paper, scissors tournament.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: And it was awesome. Like, it was intense as hell.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Brett, she's so mad at me. She didn't talk to
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: me last night.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Where is my husband? Yeah, exactly.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: She sang that song out loud. And when I tried
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: to explain, she didn't understand.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Oh. And then she just said, what?
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: There's no way. I talked to my wife for a second.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: She was like going to bed when I got home
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: last night. And I said, it was so cool. And
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: she's like, I don't care about your stupid little game
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: that you were playing tonight.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I'm sure Rock, Paper, Scissors was the coolest.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: This is what I'm trying to tell you.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I thought the same thing, and it was awesome.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Again, we as sports fans, it's proven. Last night was proven.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Last night was a scientific project. It was a sociology experiment.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's the same thing when I'm listening to
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: you talk about it. And I think it's wonderful that
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: we're sending somebody to Kansas City with a hotel and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: tickets to the opener and so on and so forth.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: It's like if you watched a rock skipping contest.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but when you go home and you start talking
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: about it, it's like this. So, listen, on three, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: bombed a drive down the middle.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: I know, I know.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: And so I had 170. But see, Moj.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: What?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: See, last night was a collective thing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: We were all there.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: You were not. So you don't get a chance to
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: participate in our conversation.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: You didn't see Nelly dressed like a ref.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: I did see. I saw all the videos. I saw Kevin.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I can't believe they found a shirt for Kevin. Whoa,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: what does that mean? No, but I saw everybody. What
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: the holy * * * *? No, I saw everybody
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: in the referee's outfits. It looked awesome.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, something so basic. We, as sports fans, we
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: don't love sports. See, we've got this all wrong. We've
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: got this all– we've just got to rewire our brain.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: We love competition. And when there's something at stake and
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: people are competing and they have that look in their
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: eye like they want to eat each other's children, I mean,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: this is serious. That's what it is.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: It's competition. That's what we love. All right, so listen.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: So I bombed this drive and I had 171 in.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I decided with a little wind behind me that I
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: was going to take an 8-iron and just try to
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: pump it. So I pumped an 8-iron to 10. But
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: when you're telling somebody this, they're like, I don't care.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Well, you know what?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: That's competition. This guy hit it within 10 feet. I
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: got inside him. I had about an 8-footer.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: But our listeners care and they were all there last night.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: In droves.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: All of them. Every single one. Was it that packed?
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: It was packed, dude.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: So, Moshe, I want to move on to something else,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: but do you want something on Bo Nix here?
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Can I say one last thing on Bo Nix here, please?
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Go ahead. I don't know. This may get its own
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: legs or may not. But, Vic, I've been around this
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: town for 30 years. And outside of John Elway, the
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: amount of people on either side of the quarterback debate
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: always amazes me. You know, the, well, this guy... well,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: when he does throw beyond the line of scrimmage, that's great.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Har har.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Or, oh my God, people get defensive about their quarterbacks
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: in a huge way. I saw somebody yesterday, I forget
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: who it was, but they were genuinely offended about this, quote,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: national narrative surrounding Bo Nix and who he is as
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: a player and a quarterback. And I'm just saying to myself,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: you don't have to artificially be offended, and you don't
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: have to take shots at a guy needlessly because you're
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: trying to be that guy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. How is that any
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: different than getting fired up about, you know, Nikola Jokic's.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: MVP conversations, whether he wins or not? I mean, I suppose....
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I suppose it's an actual award that's on the line
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: for Jokic, but it has nothing to do with you.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, you could claim, I guess, as a city
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that you have an MVP. Like, perception is something that
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: it's part of.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: The difference is because he is that guy. And Bonick
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: hasn't proven he is that guy yet. Well, I think
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: that's the question, though, Moj. The number one job. And look,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not even playing devil's advocate. All I'm saying is
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: the quarterback's job is to win football games first and foremost.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And he's done that to.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: A pace that almost nobody has.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: In the first two years of their career. It's pretty remarkable.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Can I ask a question to you then, and I
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: want you to be honest? Yeah. Would you trade Justin
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Herbert for Bo Nix today? Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: He's got... He's got a more proven resume.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Here's what I love about Bo, and this is where
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I think this stuff matters.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: And this is not me loving on Justin Herbert. I'm
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: proving my point. Hang on, hang on. And you'd trade
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, you'd trade Nick's for Mahomes today, wouldn't you? Yes.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Or would you not? But hang on.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: This is what I think matters. There's something that Bo
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: does that I think.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Is elite level. Elite level.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Protects the ball.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Exactly right. Mm-hmm.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And when you have a good team surrounding you, protecting
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the ball matters.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: It matters. That's what wins you football games. Ask me
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: about the Vegas game.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: But hang on, hang on.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: It's what won you a playoff game. One quarterback protected
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the football.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: The other one didn't. That's why you won.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And I think having that, I mean, guys, we can
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: talk about ceilings and whatever, and maybe you like the gunslinger.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: You like the old Brett Favre. I might throw two
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: picks today, but I'm going to throw four touchdowns.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, fine.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: When you have a roster that's built the way the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Broncos is, I've said this before. Vic, I think you'd
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: agree with me. He is like a dream Vic Fangio
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: quarterback when he was here. It's exactly what Vic Fangio wanted.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: It's why he brought in Teddy Bridgewater. It's like, I
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: just want a guy that's not going to mess anything up.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: But Bo has the, I'm not going to mess it up. Plus,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I can make a play or two.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Here and there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: You're damn right he can. Ask me about the Vegas kid. Mendoza.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: What about him? We were playing. I was playing a game.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I said, Mendoza. What about Mendoza?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: We were never supposed to be in this decision.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: What do you want me to ask? I'm asking you. Well,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I said, would you trade Herbert? Would you trade Mahomes?
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Ask me about the kid. Would you trade Mendoza for?
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Hell no.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: No, I'll take Bo Nix over the kid any day. Now,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: in three years, you can ask me the same question.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'll have a different answer, but not a chance.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Bo Nix for the over. Think about this. Look, this
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: is Moe's talking. Vic. Moshe, would you trade Bo Nix
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: for the overall number one quarterback in the draft national champion,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: six foot five and 227 pounds and an arm like
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: a cannon, blah, blah. No, I would not because I
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: know what I'm getting out of this guy. And I
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: like what I'm getting out of this guy, our guy,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: but it's not, I'm not, I'm not berating him when I,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: when I talk about the division and the, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: two other guys that are in it. Um, Let's save
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: this for a little bit later. I do want to
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: get something else.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Because CU season starts tomorrow. And I have to ask
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: a question about this. Regarding Deion. And I want to know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: what are we doing? What is the level of expectation?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Because here's where I'm at with both teams that will start. Ironically, Vic,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: you pointed this out. 11 games in college football in
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: week one are single digit spreads. CU and CSU are
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: two of them. And here's what's funny. I have not
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: seen this team play a game. I haven't seen a
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: snap of practice. I've seen nothing. I'm feeling like I
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: don't know what they're going to do, but I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: as far as where they're at as a university, as
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a football team, I love CSU and where they're at
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: with Jim Moore right now. I hope this works because
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I think it's the perfect situation. Marriage of a veteran coach.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: who's just looking for a job that's maybe not too
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: high stress, but can really have success. I love what
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: they're at.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I hope that this goes well for him.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Will, for me, the thing I'm looking forward to, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to watch the game, will Brendan Marion's offense,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: in fact, go-go? Will the go-go offense go? Because these
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: numbers are true. These are the numbers that CU can
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: rest its success on. In the prime era, in three
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: seasons with Coach Prime, They score 30 points or more.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Do you know what their record is when they score
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: 30 points or more? If they can get to that
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: 30-point mark, they're 13-3. When they don't get to that
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: 30-point mark, they're 3-18. Jeez. So I know that's asking
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: a lot. 30 points is not easy, right? But if
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: the offense can go, the team goes. They go as
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: the offense goes. As much as everybody wants to base
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: it on defense, it really is an offensive game. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: this guy, Brandon Marion, is supposed to be the guy
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: when it means, let's see what it goes.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you what it did at the
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Big Sky level last year. Now they're an FBS team.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Excuse me. Yeah, FBS team. I still can't believe. It
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: was good at that level, Vic. It was effective at
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: that level. At this level, I have no idea. You're
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: going into the ACC against a Georgia Tech team that
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: was pretty good last season.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: He comes into this season, Brendan Marion, his offenses in
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: his college career have averaged 32 points a game.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I'm excited about it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: An offense like that is exciting to watch.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: That comes with one major concern. Major.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: They better score because I don't know what CU's defense
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: is going to be like, but over the last three
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: years we watched them get, what, gutted in the run game, right?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Have trouble stopping guys.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: What happens if you run a high-paced offense that doesn't work?
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Your defense is on the field a lot.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: You know what, though? Who cares? I'm going to take
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: you back to the first game of the prime era.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Remember CU, TCU? There was no defense to speak of
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: in that game. That was back and forth.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: That was a pretty fun game. That was a pretty
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: fun game.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: No, he's right.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: There was a Heisman and there was an NFL quarterback.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: That was on the roster. I understand. But the point is,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: would you rather CU have a high-scoring game where both
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: teams are just going off? I think that's their best
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: chance of winning. It's not this grinded-out stuff that people
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: seem to expect. You're not going to get that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I would always prefer to get it on. Brett, if
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: we're talking about getting it on or not getting it
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: on offensively, I would always prefer to get it on, Vic. So, yes,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I would like to see that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: How many games do I have to point to? Remember
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: the CSU game? That wasn't grinded. That was crazy.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: That was explosive. I think you're right.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I also think they aren't going to do any sort
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: of substantial winning without a big improvement defensively. You can't
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: win with a defense that looked the way that they did.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: You can't do it. Or they get gashed in the
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: run game. I mean, consistently gashed in the run game. Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: that can't happen.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And more than anything else, you know what needs to happen?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Because I was talking about this in the appetizer.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know how else to put it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: When Deion first came here, I knew the situation that
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: he was in as far as there were some people
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that pretended that Deion was like this 15-year veteran coach.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: he coached a couple of years at Jackson state and
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: he coached in high school. Like that's not exactly a
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: resume for a power five. You know what I mean?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: That's not the path for that coach to get a
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: power five job, but he's Dion former player. One of
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: the greatest players to ever live. My whole thought process was,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of actual coach he's going
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to be. And the concerns I had is exactly what
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: we've seen over the last few years. Like clock management,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: pretty poor sort of X's and O's game planning stuff.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe not great, but, The thing that I was holding
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the hope out for was DM was going to bring
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the Louie, right?
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: His whole thing was like, I'm going to go out here.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I'm going to recruit. We're going to get the best
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: guys here. And you see Shador, and you see Trayvon.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Hunter and Jordan Seton.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: And all the wide receivers they had. You're like, okay, well,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: if you're bringing in talent, that's going to give you
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a good shot to win. And the concern I have
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: from last year is, do you guys remember how many
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: CU players were drafted last year?
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: A lot. None. Last year? None.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Over this era, though, every time I'm watching a game,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: there's a CU player out there.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: But that's... Initially, when he first got the guys over here. Well,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: that's because he brought them with him. Now he's got
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: to go get guys.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: You had no players drafted last year. If there's any
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: sort of indicator, how talented is your college football team? Well,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: how many dudes went to the league? If the answer
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: is zero, then you're in some trouble. So you need
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: to now, and I think this is the main thing,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: there's got to be some development that goes on.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: There has to be.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I watched last year from week one to week nine
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and ten, it kind of looked like the same football team.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: You want to see guys improving? I just didn't see
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: all that much of it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: I did not either. And I'm flummoxed as to why
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: he can't bring talent in and hold on to it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Well, they took his game. His whole game was, I'm
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: going to go after the transfer portal. And they're like, dude,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: you have to recruit high school. And he goes, no,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: And then everybody else went transfer portal. But Coach Prime,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I don't, I guess I should talk to these youngsters.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Listen to me, youngsters. And find out what's most important.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: The money's most important.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: So if you've got, if they had somebody up there
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: at CU with a, you know, with billions and billions
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: of dollars. And they're just doing this to every kid
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: in the portal, every stud from Alabama who wants to move,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: every Georgia kid. Then the CU Buffaloes would win 12
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: games this year. Maybe we're coming. So that's number one.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: But what's number two? Coach Prime, I think, is still
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: a big enough draw as a name to get over
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: the average bear. That's what I'm saying. I'm looking at
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: the Big 12, Vic, and I can't believe they're not
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: in the top five. Can't believe it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: The price of doing business has gone up. Do you
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: know how much they were paying Jordan Seton when he
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: was here? He's going to be an NFLer, and he
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: was a CU buff. Do you know how much he
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: was being paid to play football at CU? And remember,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: he did a lot of barking.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Was it $ 2 million? Only dogs come here. Was it $ 2?
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: It's not easy. Remember all the speeches about, hey, it's
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: not easy. It's not about getting paid. Well, he's getting paid.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: He was the highest paid offensive lineman ever. 1.5 is
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: from what I hear.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: At CU.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: At CU.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: That number? What's he getting now?
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Double.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, though. That might be true. But
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I just looked something up because I was curious. Houston
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: last year finished 22nd in the country. They're number 22.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: They finished the year 10-3. They were 6-3 in Big
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: 12 Conference play.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: They are my perfect example, yes. And I just looked
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: this up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I go, who spends more money on college football? Is
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: it Houston or is it CU? CU spends significantly more
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: than Houston does. They have an operating budget of anywhere
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: from $ 40 to $ 60 million in just football.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: It's $ 98 million overall for Houston.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: You don't know the NL money. You don't know the
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: booster money. That's not reported there. That's not part of
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: those numbers. And that's where the disconnect is, and that's
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: where college football is lost, and that's why it's hard
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: to assess and follow. We don't have those figures. It's
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: all mysterious. The number I just gave you about Jordan Seton,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: is that a public number?
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: No.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Does anybody know that?
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: No.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows that. You know, you– If you do some digging,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: you can uncover some stuff.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Can I explain something?
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: You sort of know. You think you know, but it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: not like pro sports where we know the salaries of
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: every player, right? And when we attach salaries to these players,
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: then we have expectations, and that's part of it. That's
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: what makes pro sports so hard. Oh, my God, this
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: guy's overpaid. Oh, my God, this guy's underpaid. That's what
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: those salaries do. Now, we haven't done that at the
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: collegiate level yet, and I'm curious. If you're going to
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: make it a pro sport, which is what it is,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: everybody's been clamoring to pay the guys.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Well, it should be open.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Then it should be an open. Then I should know
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: how much you make.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Agreed.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Should I or not? I mean, you tell me.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Am I wrong? No, I think you should. Brett, do
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: me a favor. I think the Houston Cougars are a
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: perfect example. Last season, they were 10-3. They finished 22nd
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: in the country. They were 6-0 on the road, by
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: the way, which is amazing to me.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: They have the lowest valuation of any Big 12 team.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: By the way.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Let me explain, though. Two years ago, I saw that
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: team in person. Live and in person. And they were junk.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Do me a favor. Would you look up? They were
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: 10-3 last season. Look up 24-25. Yeah, 24-25. Two years ago?
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Two years ago. Where did Houston finish? What was their
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: record and what was their overall?
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: They were 4-8, 3-6 in Big 12 play.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: They were junk. And I saw the Cincinnati Bearcats play.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: beat the living snot out of them. And I'm like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: good God, Houston is sunk down. Well, then the next
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: year they're 22nd in the country at 10 and three. Yeah. Why,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: why can't the Buffaloes be that? Why can't they be
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: better than Arizona or Iowa state or the frogs or
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the bear Baylor bears or UCF? Why, why, What's so
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: wrong with wanting them and expecting them to be better
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: than those teams?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with that. Get back to it in
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: just a second.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: 303-504-0925. Back after this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: High school football is back on Altitude Sports Radio. Tune
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: in for our first game on Friday night as Chaparral.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I tried to put some sauce on that one.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: It's Chaparral. Chopper off. You said chop.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Chopper off.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Something that our sauce needed.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: A little saucy. It takes on Legend with Vic and
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Tyler on the call. You can watch the game on
• 35:16
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• 35:24
  Speaker 4: That's where one Brookie Mosier went to high school.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Preparing for these high school games, and I'm sure you
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: will help me acknowledge this, is 100 times harder than
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: any pro game.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: A thousand percent. The information you get, you don't get any.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Not a lot, man.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Thank God. We spoke to Chaparral coach Matt Littleton yesterday
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: who gave us the rundown.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Of the players.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: But when you're calling an NBA game or an NHL
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: game or an NFL game, a college game, you got
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: all these numbers in front of you. You got the stats.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: You got everything you need. Not so at the high
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: school level. It's not the same. So I can't wait.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I cannot wait for Friday night. It's going to be fun.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: I'm so glad that Altitude has joined the the high
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: school community, because it's important. It's important for Denver. It's
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: important for all of us. I can't wait for you
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: to watch and listen. It will be simulcast and also
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: on Altitude TV.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: In the meantime, we got new coworkers yesterday.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: I want to play second.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I think we should be able to pick this. Hold
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: on a second. I'm being dead honest here. I think
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: that since we were the OGs, And we've been around
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: a long time, Vic. I think we should be able
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: to step into one of these franchises. Like, I just
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: want to be like a midfielder for a half season.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: The Rapids?
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: No, in the EPL or the Rapids, either one. I'd
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: like to be at a little second base. How about
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: an inning at second base? We should be afforded the
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: opportunity to do that. I just want to take BP
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: before the game. I don't need to get that greedy.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: I don't need the actual at-bat. I just want to
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: take beeps.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I think I'm only qualified to be the bat dog.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: So you speak of Stan Kroenke purchasing the LA Angels.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: And the price tag, I'm hearing different numbers. It's close
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: to $ 4 billion, the valuation.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure exactly what the walkaway price was. I
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: can tell you this from what I've heard. He has
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: asked to buy them before. He's been close with Artie Moreno,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: the previous owner. They almost had a deal before and
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: kept knocking on that door. I can tell you another thing,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: because everybody keeps asking, why didn't he buy the Rockies?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: He tried. I know that for a fact. There's been
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: an effort made to buy the Rockies, and for whatever reason,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: It never went through, and probably controlling interest. That's why.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Since then, Greg Penner and his group purchased 46% of
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: the Rockies, which is not controlling interest, but that's where
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: it is. Stans wanted to get into baseball for quite
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: some time, and he finally got in. And it's the
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: LA Angels, who I know a lot of Angels fans,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: if you go online, it's hallelujah for them because they
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: did not like their situation.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Mike Trout has already come on out and said it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: very exciting. He wants a fresh start with that franchise.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: And can I say something else? That franchise needs a
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: fresh start. It has needed a fresh start for quite
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: a long time. Yeah. Well, here's the thing.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I don't want to make it sound like, you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: The Cronkies have this track record of success with all
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: of their different.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Teams, right? They've won a championship in every sport.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: In every single sport. Every sport.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: And we're going to get into it this morning.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Six years, seven years, whatever.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: There's going to be a lot of reaction to this.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: It is the largest sports empire in the world.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: And we're just a wee little branch on that empire.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're the OGs, bro.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: I understand.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: All I was going to say was. Yeah, but bro, OG.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: It's a matter of how you do business. You know
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: what's funny?
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: The Angels spent money. They spent a lot of money.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: They're paying Anthony Rendon a lot of money. To do nothing.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: To sit around eating nachos. I think people base this
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: off of what they let Otani walk. I don't know
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: how many teams can pay $ 750 million deferring $ 700 million
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: for down the line.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many could do it. You know
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: how many could do that? One. And now we understand
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: how they could do it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, look, the other thing that, you know, because
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: say what you want about ownership, Stan is such a
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: savvy businessman. I don't think he buys this team unless
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: he knows where baseball is going. If you know what
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Let's go into a cap.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Unless he has an understanding of where. it could
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: be some downtime. But why would they proceed with a
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: sale unless they had some assurances of where this sport
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: is headed, how it's going to operate financially?
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Correct. So here's the thing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: What do you think is crazier in baseball? Do you
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: think it's crazier to pay $ 4 billion for an MLB
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: franchise or this story I just read, which is blowing
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: me away, The Detroit Tigers and their international scouting department
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: have identified a talent. He throws fastballs in the 91
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: to 93 mile an hour range. He's an elite young prospect.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: He's got a great bat. His name is Kevin Sosa.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: They've paid him $ 4 million in a signing bonus and
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: a pre-agreement to join their roster when he's old enough.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: How old is he? 12. Oh my God. He's 12.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: They came to a pre-agreement.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Are you allowed to do that? Doesn't he have to
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: go through the draft? No, because he's international. Oh, okay.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: They have come to a pre-agreement with 12-year-old Kevin Sosa
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: that would eventually include a $ 4 million signing bonus.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: So if he progresses the way he's been, how do
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: you even know about a 12-year-old, man?
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: So under MLB's international signing rules, a prospect must turn
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: 16 before officially signing and must be 17 before September
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: 1st of the following year.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Happens in soccer all the time. You get into these
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: academies and.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was thinking, Vic, is that soccer
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: does do this. I don't think I've heard of baseball
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: signing 12-year-olds.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. You guys, big news the other day that went
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: unreported on our show.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: U.S.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Soccer has taken over U.S. youth soccer, and that's a
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: big move. People aren't talking about that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: That's aligning the entire country with a certain set of
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: standards and rules.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Can I also repeat something else? Sorry, just real quick.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: That a 12-year-old averages 91 to 93 on a fastball?
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: It's impossible. It's not 12.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: It's impossible.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Is it Danny Almonte? Come on.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: No, it's Kevin Sosa. Is it the kid... It's Kajir Sosa.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Is it the kid who got the ligaments in his
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: elbow all jacked up, and now he can throw... Henry
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Rowan Gardner? Whatever. You talking about Henry Rowan Gardner?
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: How soon before he has to have Tommy John? I mean,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: that's just... There's no way. A 12-year-old throwing 90-plus is so...
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Come on, man. We talk about genetics?
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Vic, it's so crazy now. I was driving with my
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: wife the other day, and... Tommy John had passed away.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: So I'm talking about the death of Tommy John and
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Tommy John surgery and so on.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: I'm sure your wife must have been really into that conversation.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think she gave a rat's ass. But
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the fact of the matter is that Tommy John surgery,
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: it's called that because he's the first one to do
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: it and it was so unique and so rare, but
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: it did save his career. Now, guys do it just
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: for fun because once they repair that ligament, then it's
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: never going to break again. Or if it does, they...
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, guys have had it a couple times, but
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: they're back like that and they're throwing heat. It blows
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: me away.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So Major League Baseball is already discussing potential reforms to
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: the international system, and agreements made years before a player
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: becomes eligible are not the same thing as guaranteed contracts,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: so it's something to keep in mind. But I didn't
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: know that baseball was out here looking at 12-year-olds.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Nah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Well, how do you find a 12-year-old?
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: You hear from somebody, I got a 12-year-old that throws 93.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: That's how it happens. Somebody says a 12-year-old hits 93
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: on the gun, you go, where do I find him?
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: That's how.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Where does he live? Dominican or something? I mean, he's international.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: Hey, do you think Victor Wimbinyama was hard to find?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Well, no, because at 15 he was already 6'11, or whatever.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, talent is found. The one thing I've discovered
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: in sports today, No matter where you live, where you play,
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: there is no stone unturned. If you have this ridiculous talent,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: you will be found. Nikola Jokic was found from a
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: small city, small town in Serbia. He was found. You
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: can be found anywhere.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but 12 years old, man. That's crazy. There was another,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I saw another article. There's a kid in the Dominican that,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: not him or his family, but his sort of handler guy,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: had faked his birth certificate. And so he was not
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: eligible to... To make him older or younger? To make him.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: To make him older, actually. So that he could play now. Well, that's...
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: There's a... Look, a rumor.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true or not, but it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: something I heard way back in the day. You guys
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: remember Rafael Fracal?
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Shortstop for the Braves?
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: They fudged the age... Older.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: For that exact reason. So they could just get him going.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Get him playing professional.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: At 14, they're saying he's 17 or something like that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Playing professional baseball. Yeah, exactly. It looked a lot like this.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: I am 12. What was that from?
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: The Benchwarmers.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was hilarious.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: The pitcher who was smoking a cigarette and drinking Johnny Walker.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: I'm 12.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: 303-504-0925. Back after this.