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Patriots Catch-22 2/4: Super Bowl LX Preview, Players/Matchups to Watch, Special Guests Benjamin Solak (ESPN) and Shawn Syed (Sumner Sports) · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Catch twenty two podcast Live from Santa
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  Speaker 1: Clara with Evan Lazarre and How It's Bar.
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  Speaker 2: Cops, Tops, Top Copstop, Cops Tops Top Touch twenty.
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  Speaker 1: To Top Tops, Top Cops Tops, Top of Touch twenty two, Cops.
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  Speaker 3: Tops to Top Up.
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  Speaker 1: Of Touch twenty Tony.
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  Speaker 5: We live from Radio Row in San Francisco and Barta.
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  Speaker 5: I just said to Marine over here that this feels
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  Speaker 5: like the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: All right, this is not.
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  Speaker 5: We're no longer out in Santa Clara at the Team Hotel,
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  Speaker 5: which is obviously a little bit more subdued than the
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  Speaker 5: Media Row, Radio Row, whatever the heck we call it nowadays.
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  Speaker 4: Era.
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  Speaker 5: This is this is bumping. This is bumping down here.
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  Speaker 5: This is really cool. You's got random people walking around
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  Speaker 5: and things like.
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  Speaker 4: That, but a lot of cool former Patriots here.
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  Speaker 5: I am actually more excited to talk about this football
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  Speaker 5: game because I feel like a lot of things that
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  Speaker 5: get washed away in Super Bowl week is actual football.
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  Speaker 3: You get nonsense.
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  Speaker 5: We got former Patriots walking around, We got legendary Patriots
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  Speaker 5: walking around.
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  Speaker 3: We also have media personalities.
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  Speaker 5: All that stuff, and I'm glad to sit down here
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  Speaker 5: with you and actually talk about this game on Sunday
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  Speaker 5: in the Seattle Seahawks and Super Bowl sixty in the
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  Speaker 5: game that's actually gonna be played at Levi Stadium in
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  Speaker 5: four days, which is gonna come up quick. It's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be here before we know it. Just a couple of
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  Speaker 5: things to set the table here. We are going to
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  Speaker 5: have a couple guests ball knowers like ourselves, not your
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  Speaker 5: guests trying to sell you ads.
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  Speaker 3: Or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to have Benjamin Solac from ESPN's gonna stop
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  Speaker 5: by in about fifteen minutes or so. Sean Siad from
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  Speaker 5: Asumer Sports is also going to stop buying the second
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  Speaker 5: hour Big X's and O's guy like ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: So that would be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 5: But I wanted to open the show, Alex with our
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  Speaker 5: big picture thoughts on this game. I have a whole
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  Speaker 5: list of things that we're gonna get into the nitty
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  Speaker 5: gritty details of the game over the next two hours.
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  Speaker 5: But just where are you at with this football game
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  Speaker 5: that is happening Even though all this circus is happening
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  Speaker 5: right now and not a lot of people are talking
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  Speaker 5: about it.
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  Speaker 4: No, this happens when you cover the Super Bowl like
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  Speaker 4: you get there's so much going on at Radio Row,
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  Speaker 4: and I know it sounds weird, but like you're interviewing
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  Speaker 4: guests and you're talking to people that you know you
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  Speaker 4: don't usually get to see in this and that you know,
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  Speaker 4: it hit me today. I'm like, I really haven't done
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  Speaker 4: as much on the game as I want to do,
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  Speaker 4: so I've been looking forward to the show. My big
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  Speaker 4: picture takeaway on this, I think we talked about this
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  Speaker 4: a little bit last week, is it's it's a continuation
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  Speaker 4: of what's been the narrative of the past few Super Bowls,
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  Speaker 4: which is the elite coaching quarterback versus the elite roster.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not to say that the Patriots roster is
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  Speaker 4: not good. That's not say that Sam Donald and Mike
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  Speaker 4: McDonald are not good.
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  Speaker 3: But one team.
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  Speaker 4: Clearly has the check box the coach and quarterback, and
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  Speaker 4: one team clearly has a checkbox you want to say
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  Speaker 4: everything else combined. There are some other spots where the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots might have an advantage over the Seahawks, but it's close,
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  Speaker 4: and it's gone both ways. It's gone both ways. Like
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's been some wild predictions and everybody's
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  Speaker 4: picking Seattle you know, you hear the money's coming in
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  Speaker 4: on Seattle and picking these blowouts, and like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it's that simple. Seattle's better team, Seattle's a better roster.
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  Speaker 4: It's not impossible for the Patriots to win this game,
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  Speaker 4: especially because outside of Drake May, you could argue that
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots' biggest strength lines up with the Seahawks' biggest
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  Speaker 4: weakness and if they can exploit that, and that is
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots pass Russian interior pass rush in particular, built
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  Speaker 4: Williams and Christian Barmore against that offensive line. That interior
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  Speaker 4: offensive line's young guys, some guys that have struggled, and
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  Speaker 4: if they can get in Sam Donald's face there and
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  Speaker 4: he starts turning the ball over, it changes picture a lot.
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  Speaker 4: So it's the dynamic is interesting. The dynamic between the
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  Speaker 4: two teams interesting because they're built in very different ways.
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  Speaker 4: And although the Seahawks are better, I think again, you know,
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  Speaker 4: one to fifty three, I think there's more talent in Seattle,
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  Speaker 4: but the Patriots have a lot of talent in just
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  Speaker 4: the right spots that they can put a lot of
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  Speaker 4: pressure on him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point.
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  Speaker 5: And now is where I was going to kind of
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  Speaker 5: start with my analysis in terms of the trenches, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, I feel like I typically go this direction anyways,
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  Speaker 5: but I feel really strongly more so in a game
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  Speaker 5: like this where I feel like it's the trenches on
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  Speaker 5: both sides of the ball are going to be the
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  Speaker 5: key to the game. Now, I think the Patriots defensive
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  Speaker 5: front in order for them to win this game kind
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  Speaker 5: of needs to dominate like Milton Williams and Christian Barmore
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  Speaker 5: and kylebon Chase on like they have all playoffs. And
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  Speaker 5: also I would put in Zach Korr in the blitzing
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  Speaker 5: and the things that they've done to put pressure on quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 5: Statistically that Sam Darnold, when he's under pressure, when he's
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  Speaker 5: in obvious passing situations and he doesn't have Kobiak's easy
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  Speaker 5: button of run run play action to just go off of,
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  Speaker 5: his play has dipped this year in those situations. And
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  Speaker 5: I think we also saw that happen a little bit in.
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  Speaker 3: Minnesota towards the end of last year too.
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  Speaker 5: When you can get the game on Donald's shoulders and
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  Speaker 5: it's not the collective, it's on Sam Darnold to go
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  Speaker 5: out there and pick up third and eights and things
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  Speaker 5: like that. I don't know if he's quite He's grown
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  Speaker 5: a lot as a player. He's a significantly better quarterback
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  Speaker 5: than the one that was on the Jets. Like I know,
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  Speaker 5: Patriots fans remember the Ghost game, and I'll completely throw
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  Speaker 5: that out of your mind. That's not the Sam Darnald
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  Speaker 5: they're gonna see on Sunday. But on that side of
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  Speaker 5: the ball, that has to happen. And I think the
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  Speaker 5: one advantage just from a matchup standpoint, because you were
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  Speaker 5: talking about the rosters and I agree for the most part.
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  Speaker 5: But the one area that the Patriots have a strength
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  Speaker 5: on weakness is their interior defensive line against the interior
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  Speaker 5: offensive line of Seattles. It's the one spot that I
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  Speaker 5: can think of on the entire field where I say
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  Speaker 5: advantage Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: So that needs to be a big advantage.
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  Speaker 5: And then on the other side, head to head, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: just like groupings, you know, like like I think quarterback too,
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  Speaker 5: but like I think of that a little bit differently.
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  Speaker 4: I mean more like this guy is gonna line up
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  Speaker 4: opposite this guy. They're gonna get their hands on each Okay, yeah, yea.
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  Speaker 5: And on the other side of the ball too offensively
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  Speaker 5: for the Patriots. I don't think the Patriots need to
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  Speaker 5: go out there as an offensive line and dominate that matchup.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's asking a lot to think that they
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  Speaker 5: can do that, first of all against the Seahawks pass rush.
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  Speaker 5: But can they go out there and survive the matchup
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  Speaker 5: and can it not be a tsunami of Seattle pass rush?
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  Speaker 5: And I think that if they're able to do that,
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  Speaker 5: then I do think that there are things that we
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  Speaker 5: can get into that would allow them to move the
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  Speaker 5: ball on the Seahawks defense a little bit. But they
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  Speaker 5: can't go out there and have a performance where it's like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we're great in the game afterwards and it's
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  Speaker 5: a forty plus percent pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Rate rate and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm not asking Will Campbell, Jared Wilson that offensive
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  Speaker 5: line to dominate Seattle's front, because I think that's unrealistic.
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  Speaker 3: But can you just weather the storm? Can you survive it? Well?
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  Speaker 4: The thing that makes me nervous there, I think it
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  Speaker 4: was you that had this number last week on this
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  Speaker 4: show about the rate in which Seattle uses line games
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  Speaker 4: and the rate at which they used to. Is it
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  Speaker 4: the highest in the league? One of the highest.
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  Speaker 5: It's so one of the highest in the league. It's
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  Speaker 5: twenty five percent of the time. I think what the
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  Speaker 5: unique part about how they run games their stunts is
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  Speaker 5: that they actually legitimately pick the player.
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  Speaker 4: They run a little bit of everything. It's not like
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  Speaker 4: they have two or three tricks in their bag. They'll
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  Speaker 4: they'll bring the guy off left tackle and bring them
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  Speaker 4: all the way around to the right car Like.
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  Speaker 5: Most of the time when you see stunts, it's like
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  Speaker 5: they're looping right, they're just kind of intersecting. But with
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  Speaker 5: the Seahawks, they're literally running like a basketball pick and roll,
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  Speaker 5: like they want one guy to pick the guy off
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  Speaker 5: and get him free. And then oftentimes the guy that's
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  Speaker 5: setting the pick is actually the one that gets the
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  Speaker 5: pressure because.
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  Speaker 4: They don't know what the hell he's doing. And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, that works really well in Madden. This year
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  Speaker 4: they finally added twists and stunts and like custom twins
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  Speaker 4: and stunts. I don't know if you've been over by
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  Speaker 4: the Madden movie, it's all over, because I still want
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  Speaker 4: to play you in Madden at some point this week,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna run a bunch of twist and stunts.
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  Speaker 4: But two three, I need a two minute warning for
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  Speaker 4: like strategic clock mountain for no. But to your point, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's something that the Patriots, especially that young left side,
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  Speaker 4: has struggled with a lot. And one of the things
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  Speaker 4: I've heard as a I don't know being helpful for
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots in this matchup, as tough as this defense
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  Speaker 4: is is Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter, same tree and and
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  Speaker 4: so there's some similarities there, there are there are The
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  Speaker 4: Chargers line games are not on the level that the
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks are. This is a new wrinkle, a new element
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  Speaker 4: that they really haven't dealt with this year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a they win, I would say, more
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  Speaker 5: so in terms of Seattle's pass rush, they win in
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  Speaker 5: two ways.
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  Speaker 3: I think they win with insane depth.
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  Speaker 5: They go like like six or seven deep in terms
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  Speaker 5: of their depth on the defensive line, so they can
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  Speaker 5: keep guys fresh and they can rotate a lot, I
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  Speaker 5: would say. I would say the other way that they
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  Speaker 5: win a lot is with scheme like I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if this is Will Anderson and Danielle Hunter off the
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  Speaker 5: edge that have they have these like just terrific one
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  Speaker 5: on one winners. You know, Like I think that this
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  Speaker 5: is more the collection of the talent, the groups of
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  Speaker 5: pass rushers that they have, the stunt schemes, the pressures
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  Speaker 5: that they do bring in terms of the blitzes when
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  Speaker 5: they do decide to bring extra rushers, and all that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, I think is a big part of it,
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  Speaker 5: and that it can it can put any offensive line
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  Speaker 5: in the blender, especially an offensive line that's going to
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  Speaker 5: be the first offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: In Super Bowl history to start two rookies.
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  Speaker 5: Not only are they starting two rookies, but they're starting
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  Speaker 5: two rookies right next to each other. So it's not
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  Speaker 5: even like, you know, there's one with two veterans sandwich
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  Speaker 5: and there's another with another you know. But the other
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  Speaker 5: thing that I would put out there, you know, for
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots that I would expect to happen is Ramondre
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  Speaker 5: Stevenson being heavily involved in blitz pick up, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that sort of thing I would expect, especially on third
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  Speaker 5: down that you're almost gonna be in like some six
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  Speaker 5: man pass protection where Remandre is essentially only blocking and
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  Speaker 5: you know, maybe.
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  Speaker 4: That one where they pull him up in the shotgun
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  Speaker 4: and he comes up right behind the guard.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe you can create you know, even though you might
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  Speaker 5: be sliding the line left or right, can you create
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  Speaker 5: three man services to the other side, Because Ramondre is
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  Speaker 5: basically a bonus offensive lineman. I think that sort of
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  Speaker 5: thing you're gonna see a lot of. So that sets
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  Speaker 5: the table in terms of this matchup with Seattle. Obviously
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  Speaker 5: a lot of other things to break down here. We're
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  Speaker 5: also gonna take some calls and emails at some point
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  Speaker 5: as well. We'll try to get to as many of
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  Speaker 5: those as possible. The last thing I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 5: up with with Seattle. Uh, And we'll get into this
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more with our first guest. But this,
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  Speaker 5: this whole thing that's come out in the last twenty
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  Speaker 5: four Alex Alex about Cover six and how Cover six
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  Speaker 5: is now Drake Mays kryptonite and this is the way
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  Speaker 5: Seattle's gonna win the Super Bowl. My quick take on that,
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  Speaker 5: and then well we can unpack it even more.
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't really.
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  Speaker 5: Think that Cover six is the type of coverage that
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  Speaker 5: you build a game plan A. No, it's it's a
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  Speaker 5: pretty it's a counter, it's a pretty unique call. It's
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  Speaker 5: a counter to your just standard quarters, so that you're
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  Speaker 5: not just sitting in four high all the time and
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  Speaker 5: you're giving.
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  Speaker 4: In the case of Seattle, use it more as a
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  Speaker 4: counter for cover three.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this team quarters, now, okay, yeah, so you know
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  Speaker 5: they they they play a lot of quarters in cover two,
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  Speaker 5: and then Cover six is kind of like the compliment
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  Speaker 5: to that. You know, it's quarter quarter half, right, so
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  Speaker 5: you have quarters to one side, cover two to the
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  Speaker 5: other side. So it's kind of like a combo zone coverage.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a different picture to present to the quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: so he's not constantly just seeing two deep or four
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  Speaker 5: deep guys. So it's a unique wrinkle. But I know
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  Speaker 5: Warren Sharp put it out there. I think Bdard was
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  Speaker 5: talking about it on your station a little bit. It
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  Speaker 5: is the coverage that Drake May is worst at in
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  Speaker 5: terms of EPA per play. It is the worst coverage
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  Speaker 5: he show all the different coverages that he has faced
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  Speaker 5: this year. It is his lowest efficiency coverage of the season.
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  Speaker 4: That's got to be like a recognition mental thing, right,
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  Speaker 4: because he's great at the cover two hole shot, he's
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  Speaker 4: great up the scene against cover three. Those are really
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  Speaker 4: your two options against Cover six? Is it just like
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  Speaker 4: a recognition thing?
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  Speaker 3: I would say that my guess is, and this is
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  Speaker 3: just a guess.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, my guess is that he McDaniel's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: what they do is coverage shell based right. If it's
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  Speaker 5: too high shell, we're gonna look left. If it's a
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  Speaker 5: one high shell, you're gonna look right. In terms of
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  Speaker 5: where you're starting in the read, you're reading coverage. You're
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  Speaker 5: not reading progression.
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  Speaker 4: And now we're back to this conversation, you're not.
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  Speaker 5: Going one, two, three through progression. You're reading sides of
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  Speaker 5: the field based off the coverage. And my guess is
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  Speaker 5: that you know they are really he's expecting them to
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  Speaker 5: play some sort of you know, Cover two or something
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  Speaker 5: like that. So he starts on the cover two side
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  Speaker 5: that he thinks that they're starting on, and then it
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  Speaker 5: turns out its quarters to that side, and so it's
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  Speaker 5: kind of throwing I guess, like them through a loop
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  Speaker 5: a little bit there. In terms of that, that would
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  Speaker 5: be my guess in my theory. Now the counter to
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  Speaker 5: that is, Okay, could they just play more peer progression
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  Speaker 5: in this type of game? Yeah, I think the only
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  Speaker 5: problem with peer progression in a game like this is
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  Speaker 5: that pass run?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thats gonna give you time to do, right.
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  Speaker 5: So are you gonna really sit there and go one
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  Speaker 5: two three through a peer progression?
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  Speaker 3: Now you could go one two in run.
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  Speaker 4: You know he could be that wait to go back
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  Speaker 4: to the line games. Yeah, when you do that, when
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  Speaker 4: you run as many lining games as Seattle does, it
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  Speaker 4: you break contain. Because that's the big downside to line
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  Speaker 4: games is you can break contain because this guy's going
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  Speaker 4: here and this guy's going here, and now you know
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  Speaker 4: who has this gap and who has that gap, so
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  Speaker 4: you know, shoulder aside and and we haven't we haven't
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  Speaker 4: gotten the injury report yet, right, No, get it sure
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  Speaker 4: because they're maybe during our show. I was gonna say
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  Speaker 4: they're off the practice field by now. I think close
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  Speaker 4: to it for twenty all right, so close to it
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  Speaker 4: or seven twenty for those back on the East coast listening.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is.
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  Speaker 4: Another game where I don't mind if Drake May's running
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  Speaker 4: more than usual, more than average, Like I kind of
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  Speaker 4: want him to be aggressive to look to run. Seattle
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  Speaker 4: allowed the fifth most rushing yards per carry to quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have the number off scrambles that's carries total.
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  Speaker 4: I would assume it's higher off scrambles it usually is.
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  Speaker 4: I want Drake May to be aggressive and looking to
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  Speaker 4: run in this game, because it's gonna do one of
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  Speaker 4: two things. Either those twists and stunts are gonna leave
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  Speaker 4: lanes open and he's going to break some big runs
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  Speaker 4: and he's just gonna do that, or Seattle adjusts. But
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  Speaker 4: now you don't have those line games. They just got
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  Speaker 4: to power their way to the quarterback. That's a lot harder.
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  Speaker 4: Now you have more time, and maybe you can go
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  Speaker 4: back to some of that pure progression stuff or just
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  Speaker 4: simply have more time in the pocket to do what
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  Speaker 4: you need to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that his legs is one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that you know.
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  Speaker 5: Drake May's legs, I should say it's one of the
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  Speaker 5: things that I've written down everywhere as like a big
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  Speaker 5: key to the X factor because they're so good Seattle
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: in structure, their defense, their coverage is so tight. They're
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: so good at taking away initial reads and making the
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: quarterback hold the ball.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: They're just very, very sound. They're very good at it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: They don't give up a lot of numbers in coverage,
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: they don't bring a lot of pressure without dropping guys
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: out someplace else. So it's a lot of like creeper
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: simulated pressures where they're dropping certain guys and they're blitzing
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: other guys. So it's seven in coverage. A lot is
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: a long witted way of getting.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: To that point.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: So there's not a lot of space out there most
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: of the time in their coverage. So when it comes
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: to the line games and the picks and all that
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff that they do run.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: The one thing that you think.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: About with that is, you know, some undisciplined rush lanes,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: right and maybe getting out of rush lanes. The other
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: thing that you can kind of look at with the
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: Seattle team is they can they pop a few with
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Drake May as a thrower in play extension mode, playground mode,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: because if they're so good just in their fundamental you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: structured defense, well, if he starts to extend the play
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: and he can get outside the pocket and maybe it's
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: a four or five second drop back now instead of
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: a two and a half three second drop back, you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: that might be a way there to get a few
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: big plays that you wouldn't normally have in structure because
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna just get chunks against his defense in structure,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: it's too difficult.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Now you're you're gonna have to earn it. You're gonna
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: have to earn every yard against this team.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: All right, let's take a few calls. We're weighing on
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: our first guest here. Let's take a few of these
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: calls and we'll get him set down when he comes by. U.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean? Seanni? There?
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Hey? Hello, Hey, how were doing well?
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Coreat How are you guys? Welcome to the West Coast?
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: So, you know what, what's kind of funny is the
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: first seed and the second seed have played each other
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl fifteen times, in the second seed
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: as one eight of those games, while the first seed
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: has won seventh. So it's to me it's kind of
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: funny that second seed's actually won one more. We'll see
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: how if it even is offered, the advantage keeps go
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: to the second seed. But the main reason I'm colling
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: is because we all talk about the Patriots game plan
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: and what they should do against the Seahawks, But what
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: about the other way. I have about eight different things
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: that I think the Seahawks game plan should be to
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: try and beat the Patriot. So I'd like to hear
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: how I'm wrong and some other things that you might
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: have in terms of how the Seahawks approaches. So on defense,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: I think they should pressure and challenge the left side
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: of the New England offensive line through stunts and games.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Also get to Drake May while rushing for bracket stuff
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: on digs, cover running back for quick passes, and prevent
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: May from the beating them with his legs. On offense,
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: they should try and have success on early downs by
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: being less predictable. Get Walker the ball in space and
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: move Donald's pocket and use play action. So I'll take
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: it off there for that. So I'd like to hear
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: what you think.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Thanks, Sean.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I mean that's kind of the book we live. When
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: we did the bye week and like, how do you
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: beat Patriots? Right? For self scouting, that's more or less
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: we laid out.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: I think let's ask Ben, because I think that this
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: is a perfect person to ask for some national perspective.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's that headset, Yeah, there we are there,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: he is, what's up? Who me? Yeah? You exactly?
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: I think that you know we are so close Ben
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: to the Patriots, So we wanted to bring you on
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: and get your two cents on this game and on
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Seattle as well. And the callers calling in just now
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: asking us what would you do to attack this Patriots
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: team if you were the Seahawks, And I just was
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: curious about your take on that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So I'd like to spread them out, and I'd
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: like to see if I can get guys like Craig
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: Woodson in Cobbridge. I like see if I can get
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: Spallane in the coverage to buy in the coverage, You're
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: gonna see the Seahawks go a lot of multi tight
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: end sets, right, and it's gonna be very interesting to
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: find out how the Patriots want to match that, because
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: if you play, you play bass the Patriots two three fourteen,
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: then Tonga comes onto the field and I've got to
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: buy and Anthony Jennings there on the edges, I'm gonna
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: be able to get my tight ends into the flat.
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna force those safeties as linebackers to chase. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: while certainly Seattle is not a team with like O
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: George Kettle or a treatment Pride, Adrian Barne can be
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: a big problem for you, especially on these rollouts and
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: if you're trying to zone all that off, now I
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: get to send Jay a center and crossers and that's
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: where really you have to do some damage with that speed.
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: And so it's going to be interesting to see when
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: the the Seahawks put two tight ends on the field,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: how do the Patriots choose to match.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: If they go for base, they're gonna throw.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: On the roll out, they go for nickel, they're gonna
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: run the ball with cannithal Walker. And then the other
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: thing is right, like I said, you're gonna see them,
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: you know, go to lighter personnel, get us some spread formations,
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: get some them to get to some gun and say okay,
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: like listen, you know, Craig, you've had a wonderful, wonderful season.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: You are a fourth round rookie playing in the Super Bowl.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: We are gonna throw the football last year.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: We're really gonna test and to see kind of what
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: you are as the caliber of a coverage player. And
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: they're do the same thing, especially explaining is playing game
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: beyond the ankle or if it's jack games, what have you.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna say, hey, if you want to
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: be able to man up on JSN and use gonzals
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: that way.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Well, you got to man up everywhere else, and then
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: we're gonna start to test some of those scondary players.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Hyper specific question along those lines, but it was something
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: that got a lot of play coming out of that win.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: In the NFC Championship game, Jas sent out of the backfield,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: how much do we see that? And what how do
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: you counter that? Like you put Christian Zolz in the box,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: them follow them out or what.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's funny because you know Jay said in
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: the back that you know, how do you counter this?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Every zone coverage has rules for if the back is vertical? Right.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: The thing is that you just don't see a lot and.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: So if you're not sitting there like every team before
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: they play the forty nine ers or before they play
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: the Falcons, we have bejeon Christian McCaffrey, they sit down
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: during the week Tuesday way, it's like, hey, guys, remember
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: you know when we're in this and this is our check.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: If the back's vertical, this is who's got them? Right.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: You obviously don't see a lot of back vertical just
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: as general concepts, but when you played those teams, you
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: prepare for this. Now, the Seahawks are leveraging this by saying,
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: all right, we're just gonna motion this player into the backfield.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Then we're using them that way.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: And so because the card has been played, it's gotten
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: under the table.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: The Patriots will be well equipped and ready for that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: But the thing is, as a Clint Kubiak, if I say, okay,
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: if I know if I get JSN in the backfield,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: they're gonna have the zone checket, So we're gonna be
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: really hard to play him man coverage coming out of
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: the backfield.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Well, now, if I know you're.
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: In zone, now I can manipulate you in other ways,
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: and I can get you know, Cooper Cup open this
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: way and that way, and so on and so forth.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And so it's not something they're gonna do all the time.
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: Right, if the Seahawks walk out one hundred percent JSN backfield,
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: patrists can be like, heck, yeah, this dude's five hours
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: by line. You know that's overall he'll win for the Patriots.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: But now that you've seen the card play, you'll just
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: see the Patriots be a lot less taken it back
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: on their heels when that happens. Relative to how the Rams.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Felt I have two questions for you bas off what
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: you just said. First one, stick with JASN for a second.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: I think that one of the things that we always
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: hear about is there are certain games where Christian Gonzales
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: just doesn't travel with the number one wide receiver YEP,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: for whatever a reason. And I feel like when I
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: look at this matchup with JAYSN, because of the backfield stuff,
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: because of the slot stuff, because of all the motion
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: that they put him in, and all these different things
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: they do with him, it's kind of hard to travel
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: with a guy like that that's not just in one
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: place all the time. Ye you know, have you seen
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: teams have any success trying to shadow him?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And what would you do against him?
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: So nobody's had success shadowing him, he shouldn't try it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: The teams that played the best against JSN the two
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: games that turn to the Vikings game, he had two catches.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: For twenty seven yards.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: Brian Flores good at his job, baby, And then you
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: have the Panthers game he had nine catches for seventy
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: two yards only eight yards perception. Bad day in the
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: office for JSN. And in those games you saw that
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: length got it him with a line of scrimmage, Isaiah Rodgers,
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Mike Jackson. We're gonna press him aggressively, and then we're
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: going to have a half safety on top. It's going
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: to allow us to be physical with a line of
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: scrimmage with him. We're not going to lose to verticality, right,
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: because that's the thing with Jay Sennit. He's a wicked
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: quick So okay, press him. You're bigger than him, are
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: longer than him. Great, but the moment you lose, he's gone, right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: And so you know, it's it's not dissimilar. It's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: crazy comp but it's not dissimilar to the Tyreek kill
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: aspec where it's like, yeah, of course you want to
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: press the guys, just.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Once you miss it's ball game.
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And so these teams put a half safety on top, right,
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: the Vikings, especially if you actually have the Vikings played him,
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: the Vikings would have a man cover corner on him,
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: not playing like you know, a half playing a leverage right, Oh,
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: I know I've helped. The inside is playing him a
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: straight man. But then also with a safety, so they're
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: not saying, oh, you know, bracket cover him like no, no,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: just pressing, be physical, playing man, but we're gonna give
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: you help regardless. You know, now, the Patriots, as you
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: guys will know, have not played with a lot of
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: half field safeties right when they play two highlights to
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: play quarters and not of the safeties to drill down.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: So you'd be curious to see if they if they
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: use the two man button, not a big button for
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: him to the traveling point you kind of saw in
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: the middle of the season, right, becauz Aals had the
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: game against Drake London and t Higgins. He had the
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: MKA Buca game where they I think they wanted to
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: make sure they had the arrow in their quiver where
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: if they wanted to travel him they could. They kind
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: of figured out how to make it work and then
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: they don't need to do it all the time. Carlton
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: Davis had a great year, Marcus Jones had a great year.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: And traveling costs a lot in your defensive structure.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: Roberts Sola had a great quote about this before they
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: played the Rams or no, the play the Seahawks.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Excuse me the division Roundhe he was.
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Like, man, it's a lot harder in our calls to
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: travel the guy than you might think, because like He
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: just really limits what you can what you can deceive,
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: what you can hide.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: From the opposing offense.
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: So I think you will see Gonzalez travel with JSN
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: on like third and sevens on like, hey, we were
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: always going to be manning up anyway, so now he's going.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: To move left and right with him.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: Otherwise, Carlton Davis is pretty well equipped to give JSN
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: the troubles that the very few relative troubles to Jayson
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: has in terms of the length and strength to line
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: of scrimmage, Davis is good at that. It's just you
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: have to get a safety on top because Davis does
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: not have the recovery speed that Gonzalez does where if
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: he loses as a line, Jason's gonna take them for
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: a touchdown.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: It's really the shadowing thing is It fascinated to me
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: because Zach Korr has talked a lot about it as well,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: and he's mentioned multiple times about disguising and if you're shadowing,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: it really undresses the coverage a lot for the offense, yep,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: because especially if you know it's an outside corner like
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: is now playing in the slot because he's man to
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: man on js N and you know it's man and
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: you know where everybody's gonna kind of be. The other
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: thing that you mentioned there was about how they're gonna
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: match heavy personnel, and the Seahawks don't play a lot
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: of three receiver They play a lot of heavy personnel groupings.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: And Marcus Jones has had a great season. I just
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: in this type of matchup, especially a team that wants
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: to run as much outside zone as they do. You know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: if you play a straight three corner nickel against them
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: and their heavy groupings, you know, I do worry a
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: little bit about the Patriots holding up against the run
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: in that kind of look.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: And you also, like when you are an eleven personnel,
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: you're gonna get cup in the slot. And if Marcus
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: Jones struggles with a guy he struggles with the power forward, right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: that's that form out of slot where he just Marcus
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: will be on him, but Marcus doesn't have the length
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: of the side. Yeah, they're really getting to the catch
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: point and so it's gonna be one of those days
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: where Marcus Jones is like not a bigger part of
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: the game plan, you know, not super critical. They're gonna
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: be a more base and then there's gonna come right
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: a critical third and six where they are in eleven,
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: and guess who's in the slots?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: JAYSN. And also it's like, hey, Marcus, this is the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: whole game. Maybe you know, so he might.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: Play, you know, fifty percent of the snaps set of
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: seventy five percent of the snaps, but man, that fifty percent, like,
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: you know, huge fifty percent. JSN does not play in
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: the slot new as much as he used to. Right,
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: eighty percent of his rats this year have been out wide,
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: eighty two percent of his targets, he's been an outside receiver.
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: But but when they want to get to a bucket
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: right third and five and they want to hit a slant,
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: that boy goes to the slot and he beats everybody, right,
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: And so Marcus' reps may be few, but man, they're
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: going to be critical.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: We we're talking a lot about JSN and people who
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: have watched past Patriots Super Bowls, it's never the number
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: one receiver that gets them. It's somebody else. And Cooper
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Cup's not nobody, like he's a he's a household name,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: but he's become the sidecar in this offense. And I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: know last year with him and Pookie maybe was too,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: but truly now but uh, a savvy veteran on a
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: younger offense and a guy that Carlton Davis told me
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: over earlier today. I thought this was interesting. He said,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Cooper Cup does a very good job at getting other
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: guys open and as a route runner, being able to
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: get other guys open. You mentioned, you know, Marcus Jones
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: is sometimes the second corner of the slot corner being
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: in a size disadvantage. There is Cooper Cup maybe a
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: bigger threat in this game. Then people are making hi
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: because everybody's focused on JSN.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: So yes and no, because Cup will get his buckets
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: and he'll get his fifteen yard explosive on his own play,
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: and he will get his third down conversion or a
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: little option route. But in general, like you know, we're
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: talking about the Seahawks. They won the Anson championsh game.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: This is really good team. If you get them to
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: be a target Cup instead of JSN team, you largely
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: did your job.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And if you lose to the Cooper Cup game.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: He started here as old as twenty twenty six, you
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: lose with the Cooper Cup game, you know, like you said,
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Patriots fans, No, it tends to be the second receiver.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: But sometimes that's what you gotta do, is you gotta say,
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: this is the guy who's going to beat us, Right,
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: the guy that I would be most worried about in
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: terms of the non JSN receivers causing you problems is
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: Shaheed on the big explosive. Yeah, I think the Patriots
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: are gonna you know, I think this game is gonna
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: be grime. I think it's gonna be low scoring. It's
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: gonna go fast, run, you know, ball possession, the clock's
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: gonna run, it's gonna be a lot of punts. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: I think the Patriots want to get this to a
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: spot where they say, all right, if we can get
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: this game close enough that two or three explosives decides it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: We have our speedy players, we have our great returners,
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: like you know, we'll get those takeaways on Sam Donald,
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: Like we can get this game to be lowscoing, grind
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: me and then Drake mayl league explosive passes this year, Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: let's just do it that way. And if you take
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: that there and you get it's to that fifty to fifty,
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: that's great.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: But man, Seattle's got this guy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: Rahid she Heat right, Yeah, And so you've seen Seattle
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: when they're down in these games and they're in the
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: second half. Heat has that clean putp Mattorney has that
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: jet handoff that really just gets them right in a
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: field goal range. And so if you, I think, if you,
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: if you have the first half of you won, you
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: go in the locker room and it's ten to seven,
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: You're like, man, it's just gonna be one player. We're
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: gonna get them to that spot. The other locker room's
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: gonna be saying, Hey, it's just gonna be one play
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: and they're.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Gonna go to twenty two. So she's the.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Guy that I worry about real quick because Patriots fans. Look,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: this is Patriots fans right during the Super Bowl, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: they still get some questions about the trade deadline.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Jacobe Myers was obviously the the like that's as good
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: as the trade deadline realistically gets the NFL. But you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: it was Rashid Shihed maybe second in terms of the
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: best deadline move around the NFL. And do you think
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: there was an edge rusher equivalent that was available at
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: the deadline?
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: Trying to think of some of the other deadline moves
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: like this is two months ago, which means it was
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: nine years ago.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Right, No, yeah, I know I'm putting you on the
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: spot there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Jalen Phillips I think comes to mind as probably the
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: one edge guy that moved that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Jamie is in the same can. Jalen was a big move.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: I do think that the as like you know, when
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: you look to see defensive performances in the Super Bowl,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: you tend to see teams are the better edge rush
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: presence than the Patriots have. There is no question with
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: that said, boy Milliwillams Chris Barber play a little potball.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Those guys are.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: And that's the thing is if you're not going to
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: be a team with dominant edge presence, which let's you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: talk to Mike McDonald defense for a second. The whole
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: premise of this defense is we don't really play pass
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: rushers at the ede rusher spots. Guess you guys to
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: defend the run is, hey, you gotta have a really
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: good interior rush, and the Patriots and the six Bolls
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: have both had that, and then you have to be
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: able to either simulate pressure McDonald or blitz. And that's
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: what the Patriots have really done since to be fourteen
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: and so while yes, you know you're you're going to
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: be ringing the bell with Caleb on Chason on the
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: third and long and maybe that's not as much star
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: power at Edge Rusher as you might hope and expect
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: for a Super Bowl team. I do have a lot
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: of faith in Zac curR and I do have a
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: ton of faith in this interior pass rush to be
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: the kind of the the the scale tipping unit here
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: for the Patriots defense, I want.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: To ask you a little bit about Drake may and
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: and just good player out of ten, But what have
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: you seen though on the film in the layoffs compared
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: to the regular season. And you know, I think Patriots
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: fans and I tend to do it sometimes too, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: great defenses, bad weather, you know, like all those things
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: kind of bogging it down. Where do you fall in
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: It's kind of a circumstantial thing versus he's not playing
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: So it's important because like we love context and we
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: love to separate things from context, and so you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: you get into this all the numbers and the weather
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: and then this and that and the other thing. It's
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: the weather, it's the defenses. It is like sometimes we
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: get too smart for our own good. Like to me,
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: ninety six percent of May's performance in the postseason can
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: be explained by it snowed in two of the three
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: of the games he played three top ten defenses, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: two of the defenses he played were top three defenses.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: It was also the case in these games that the
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: game quickly devolved into, Hey, like, we have the lead,
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: let's just you know, kind of sit on this and
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: control this. And that's where to me, the part that
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: the lands on May. And this is something that all
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: young players do, especially young passers do when they get
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: into the playoffs and they go, all right, let's score
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: twenty four points on one play. Baby, you can't, man,
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: you can only score seven. In reality, let's just get
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: a first down. So a lot of these May sacks
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: and these May fumbles been man if I just hold
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: this ball for another half second, you know, Keashom Boody's
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: going to be open forty yards down the field. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: the thing you want to tell Drake is like, while
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: that is sick, y' also just might not complete it,
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: like as a forty yard pass scramble get to a
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: second and six, Like let dance with the one that
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: brought you be hyper efficient with May and now approaching
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: the super Bowl and him having these these games. It's
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: tricky because you're going up against the Seattle team where
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: it's like, listen, you're gonna need him to be superhero
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: to get your explosive. Seattle's the second lowest explosive playerrate
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: given up by defense in the last fifteen years. Right,
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: nobody gets explosives on Seattle. The only way to do
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: it is to break the defensive structure by scrambling, getting
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: out out of the pocket and winning on the backyard
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: football right, winning in a little dirt pad drawn up
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: to play something that made spectacularly well. So he's had
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: these three games and a lot of fumbles and a
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: lot of sacks, and the note on the sideline has
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: been like, hey man, just calm down, just ex scoot
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: the offense, just dank and dunk. You'll be fine. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: then you get to the playoffs and it's like, hey,
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: then we need you to go put right yeah through that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: But the Superman cake on. So it's it is a
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: big challenge in terms of his your kind of disposition
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: and his headspace and where he's at.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Right now as a young player. Here in the postseason. Yeah,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: you mentioned sorry you can go.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the play extension against the sex defense, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I've kind of zoned in on that a little bit now.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: The next gen numbers say that they give up the
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: most passing yards in the league on the play, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: extended dropbacks. Some of that seems like it's a little
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: bit of desperation where guys are kind of running around
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: trying to save themselves. Long witted question, but that seems
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: to me like something May could maybe do that Stafford
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: and Purty maybe weren't quite as good at in that
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: this is such a good structurally sound defense exactly that
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: you're not going to just beat him straight up, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: he might need Drake May to get out of the
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: pocket and not necessarily even just run, but maybe even
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: as a thrower makes some plays like that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the play extension stat for the Seahawks' survivor bias
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: where it's it's their defense is so good in structure
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: that when they give up passing yards, it's inherently out
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: of structures. They wouldn't give it up instructure in the
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: first place. The stat that I keep coming back to
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: is of the ten quarterbacks this year, with the most
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: rushing yards per games. He always played one of them.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: It's Baker Mayfield in week two, he's ninth.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: They did not play Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts,
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: Drake may Patrick Mahomes. They did not play the extended
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: guys Kalla William, c J.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Stroud.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: They did not play these dudes, right and so well.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: They played CJ but got hurt. This year they had
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: a Jane Daniels game. They had a Kyler Murray game.
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: In general, they have not faced a quarterback who can
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: explode in the running game, you know, like they had
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: the Rock Burda games. Oh you know, third and six
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: scramble for the first down, explode in the running game the
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: way that Drake can. Similarly, they have not faced one
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: of these guys who when he gets outside of the
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: pocket and he starts, you know, you this way, you
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: this way, just deform this guy whatever, can really make
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: some magic happen. Right, and so what Seattle is going
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: to be tested by, you know, like you look at
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: their numbers. Everything is his first place, the first place
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: on extended drop backs like ninth and eighty, paper drop
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: back twelve and success rate still good.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: But this is where there's a little bit of a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: crack in the armor.
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: And so again with Drake, you're gonna tell him, listen,
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: be out of the pocket fast. If you see it
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: upfield and you want to take it, go take it
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: right now. No one's gonna come to you on the
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: sideland and be like, hey man, third of the progression
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: you had Romandra, No, no, no, just go. And then
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: when you get outside of the pocket and you break
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: that first tackle and you're running horizontal.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Shoot right.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: If it's Stephan Diggs against Rereek Wollan, he's given up
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: two inches and four it just throw it anyway, because
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: we need to hit some of those high variance plays in.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Order to be a defense like this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: First of all, good survivor bias poll. We love pulling
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: random whatever you're gonna call it, psychological revery, love or whatever,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: very applicable to the NFL, probably more than should be.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I as somebody studied made closely, I'm just curious here
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: because again we're we're insulated in this New England bubble
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: and Drake Drake May May and all that, and I'm
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: just curious an outside of his perspective on this Obviously,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: he's grown tremendously from last year. And I think part
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: of the reason he was picked his eyes. He was
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: not just because he's talented. He's twenty one years old,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and you know, some of the other guys in that
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: class twenty five years old, maybe less of a ceiling.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: How much of Drake's growth this year, and I fully
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: acknowledge that it's parts of both. How much of it
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: is simply he was twenty one now twenty two years old.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: He's young, he's growing into himself, he's growing into the game.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: And how much of it do you think was Josh
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: McDaniels and even Mike Rabol, you know, getting under the hood,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: getting into the lab and tweaking things and fixing things.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: I think seventy the first, thirty the second. Oh, that's
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: not taking anything away from Josh.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: No, it's just I just think it's an interesting case
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: study with how much he improved.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of it is is Rabel and
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: Josh just aren't the guys who were here previously, and
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: I think had like, you know, a lot more experience
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: doing this and had a lot.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Deeper of a roll that X for it. Drake's rookie season.
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: I remember I wrote I think it was week sixteen,
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: weeks seventeen of twenty twenty four. I wrote that Drake
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: was having a more impressive season than Jaden was, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Jada was put up like MVP numbers.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But I was watching Drake.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: Just the wide receiver room, the state of that offensive line,
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: the way that office was being called, just being like
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: this dude is just sisyphist, right, I mean, like it
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: is Atlas wrong Greek.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: It is just the world on his shoulders and he
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: is he had he had.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: I would think it was the tenth best dropback success
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: rate of a rookie quarterback in the in this century,
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: and Jaden was like eighth. And now Jaden had like
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: the explosives and he had the touchdowns. Drake didn't have
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: those red zone opportunities. But from a down to down
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: basis what Drake was achieving in his youth in terms
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: of like.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Staying ahead of the sticks, making chicken saladut.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: You know what in the scramble game, like I was
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: watching it like, man, if we just get a functional
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: receiver and a functional left tackle, we're here and lo
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: and behold, we got a functional receiver, functional tackle, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: it was even more than I could have dreamed. Drake
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: is It took Josh Allen so long to find the
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: intersection of Clark Kent Superman right where like this is
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: when to put the cape on, this is when to
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: keep the offense chrugging. Justin Herbert, same thing. He was
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: a lot more Clark Kent. He's had to learn how
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: to be a little bit more Superman. Drake walked out
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: and it took him like eighteen twenty games in the
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: NFL level to be like this is the perfect balance
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: of success rate and explosives, and to do that is
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: is astonishing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: It's one of the eight best quarbacks in football.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: It's a great point talking about last year because I
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: remember saying that I think it was around like end
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: of October November. Everything about Drake's game screamed this internal
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: dialogue of fine, I'll do it myself. I guess I
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: have to do it myself, and like I think, not
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: that he's not doing that anymore, but he's learned how
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: to pick his spots and doing it yourself can mean
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: so many different things. And he has every club in
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: his bag. But there were times where you know, we
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: needed the three wood and he hit the five iron,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: and he can hit the hell out of the five iron,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: but he needed the three wood. And I think he's
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: finally figured out, you know, lining up.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: All those situations.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: I tell you, like, you know, we're in year two
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: of Caleb Williams and he's still calibrating to that, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: you're two of Bonex and man like you know when
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: when the Denver Red Browns had a great year. But
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: sometimes they need Bo to be able to hit a
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: throw down the field and he's still struggling with it.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: He usually takes years and years for playmakers like this
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: at quarterback to calibrate the button. And even then it's
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: a growing process. Right Josh Allen had it and then
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: he lost it a little bit this year. Then that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: always going to be an up and down thing. What
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: Drake has pulled off in terms of different play styles
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: for different games in different moments, depending on who I
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: have available and what the defense asks like that, I'll
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: never forget the end of the Ravens game where I
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: was like, all right, that was like we've seen all right,
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: this is the Patriots down multiple scores to a playoff team.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: What's it going to look like? Drake? Was watched this,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: it just started shooting.
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: And it's like the fact that the guy could turn
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: that on and the very next game be like, all right,
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: precise in you know, incisions eight yards down the field.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: You just don't get dudes this young doing that twenty
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: two years old these years. And that's what's it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: You mentioned him in Daniels last year, Daniel's twenty four
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: last year, right, maybe it was twenty one.
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: Yep, I mean it is and and and from a
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: physical tool kit perspective, he's not precisely Herbert and almost
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: two names I brought up.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: But it's like ninety ninety five percent there.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, like it's so so obnowhed that you guys
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: got Drake May tries to be off the wall.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: I'm a joint.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I got two more questions for you, Ben, I'll let
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: you go the uh Well, First of all, that Baltimore game,
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: a lot of the coaching staff this week has pointed
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: to that was when we knew this might be for real, like.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: That, you know, coming back in that game. You need
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: a game like that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: The one thing that has gone around, I know if
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: you've been able to see this at all, is this
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: cover six thing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: That I saw that song. I don't I don't understand
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: what's happening. I saw like one tweet.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw one tweet about it yesterday too. We're all,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: you know, busy this week.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: What's the what's the thing, what's the show?
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: The argument is is that Seattle's gonna win the Super
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Bowl playing cover six against Drake May. Okay, that that's
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: like sort of the blueprint against Drake May and the
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Buffalo game they did play a little bit more Cover
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: six Buffalo did the second Buffalo game obviously.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: That they lost.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Uh, And then you know, just looking at his EPA
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: per drop back, it cover six is his worst coverage
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: in terms of VPA per drop back.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: What are looking at like eighty eighty total drop backs
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: in that like ninety I think Taylor has the number.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I think that they've dropped back.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Seattle has played like one hundred and fourteen covered snaps
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: and cover six it's higher, you know, a pretty high
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: percentage in terms of relatively speaking. I guess my question
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: is is that, you know, I kind of feel like
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: cover six is not really a coverage that you see
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: teams like foundationally build a game plan around, Like this
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: is what we're gonna sit in the entire game.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: And if they play one covers the entire game, the
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: Patriots will win the Super Bowl because by twy three
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: they'll know what they're getting. Yeah, there's been one game
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: in NFL and not history when my living memory of
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: the NFL, in which a team walked out with one
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: coverage and it just broken offense. And that was the
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Brian Flores cover zero game against Lamar back in the day,
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: like when nineteen. Otherwise you have to throw a variety
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: of coverages. Now cover six. This again, we're done a
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: little bit of selection bias here. It is not that
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: cover six is a good you know, a defensive breakstrike
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: may It is that the good defense is run cover six.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: The cover six is like as like a Fangio thing
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: and as a McDonald thing. And so you're if you're
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: playing you play Zach or in Baltimore, you play the
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: Sean McDermott with in Buffalo. These are just good defensive
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: coaches there running more and more of this, right, this
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: zone coverage that looks different one half of the field
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: on the other half of the field. There is nothing
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: inherent to cover six that is breaking. Drake May's mind,
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: Drake Maycy's quarters. He sees half and then sometimes he
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: sees it at the same time. He's not like, oh
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: my god, who's doing this? Like I promise you, every
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: quarterback in the league has a coverage that drop back
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: is the worst against. It is not so easy as
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: we play this one coverage move in the game.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: The other question I want to ask you is totally
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: unrelated to the Patriots, but Jeff Statlin, Yeah, retiring or
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: whatever he's doing with your Eagles. I'm a big offensive
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: line guy. Dante Scarneki is like my hero. Jeff Stotland
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: is like the Eagles version of that. Just what's your
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: opinion on what's going on with that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: Stotland is, I would argue, the greatest coach that does
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: not head coach in the NFL, and in fact, he
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: has the longest tenured right. He has been the Eagles
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: office line coach since twenty thirteen. He survived two head
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: coach firings, both Jim Kelly and Doug Peterson, so he
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: was tied with Fandy Reid for longest tenured coach right,
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: longer than any OCNY DC. This was a foundational piece
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: of the Eagles three Super Bowl runs and two Super
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Bowl victories. Staltland's running game is not as accepting of
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: prestap motion as the modern NFL would like for it
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: to be, and so when Sean Manion came in, there
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: was gonna either have to be a marriage of what
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: Stalin wants to do in the running game and what
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: Manyon from Green Bay wanted to do in the passing game,
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: or there was gonna have to be a split. And
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: clearly for Staltland too, it was reported by Jeff McLain
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: last week was demoted from running game coordinator in the
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: middle of this season. Clearly for Stalin there was like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: all right, if you guys want to go to this direction,
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: like I'm gonna take my services elsewhere and or retire.
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: All good things come to an end. At any point
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: when Staltlin was let go, retire, fired left, I'd be like, man,
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: this is terrible in this context where you stripped him
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: a running game coordinator, presumably to pacify Kevin Patula and
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: to make that work, and then you are losing him
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: entirely to promote a thirty year old off its cordinator
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: in Shan Manyon. I think it's an extremely brutal. Look,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: Sewan Manny goes out there, calls a good OFFENSI fixes
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: of Jalen hurts. We're all gonna forget about it, you know.
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: So it's all your eggs are in this, you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: very young and very inexperienced basket.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Here. We'll see what happens.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: But like the main thing for me is like, independent
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: of what happened, well we'll have it so and so forth.
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: I wish the average NFL fan had a understand an
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: appreciation for what thirteen seasons of unbelievable. The Eagles left
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: tackle is a rugby player from Australia who never played
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: the sport. Between the seventh round, he's been an All
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Pro player, Like this is truly one of the greatest
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: coaches of our generation.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah you're you're in the right fan base area. Yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: they get it. They get it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Was scar we get it all right really quickly. Do
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: you have a game pick? If you pick Seattle, we
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: won't hate you, but maybe a little bit.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: So I picked Initially, I picked Patriots for the ESPN thing,
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: like all the expert selections, and then I wrote my
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: column and I tried to pick Seahaks on the column
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: and I said you can't splits. I really like to split.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: I said you can't split, So made me pick and
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: I lean Seattle. I think it's gonna be an extremely
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: close game. I think it's gonna be very low scoring
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: in the first halving. It's gonna be really tight field
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: position in punts. I think Seattle is the team. It's
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: a little bit better roster wise pulled a pole. I
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: do think Drake May has the superhero cape a lot
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: better than Sam Donald does. Need we need multiple Donald turnovers,
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: so we need Miller Williams Christian Barmber to really dominate.
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: You cannot score touchdowns aginst Seattle unless you get short
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: fields average touchdown drive against Seattle. The season starts with
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: the forty one yard line, dude, like it's the second
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: closest to the goal line among the league defenses. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: so you get those turnovers, We're there. It's gonna come
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: down to one play. It's gonna come down to one
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: explosive touchdown. If you cannot turn Sam Donald over, they're
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: just gonna lean on you. They're gonna break you over
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: sixty minutes. So I think seventeen thirteen was the score
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: I put in Seattle.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you one more thing real quick along
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: those lines. Last time these teams played Chris Matthews Malcolm Butler,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: people run into their computers to Google maybe the two
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: best players in that game. If we get one of those,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: one of those guys, it's gonna break Google. It's gonna
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: break the Internet. In this matchup, somebody nobody sees coming.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Who do you like? I do like Kyle Williams for it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: My bold production was a Kyle Williams fifty yard touchdown
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: because Patriots are gonna need explosives. I'm trying to get
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: the bold to Travan Henderson and Kyle Williams, not in
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: super high volumes because like those aren't your your engines. Well,
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: you have to give those guys bites at the apple
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: because Seattle doesn't give up explosives. And so if you
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: get an explosive and it goes for twenty five yards, no, no,
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: we need fifty.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: We need seventy five. Like, if you get it, it's
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: gotta go.
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: And so I ran to see Kyle involves a little
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: bit more. I do think Marcus Jones's the punt return
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: part is a really important part of this. I think
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: it's gonna be a lot of punt in this game.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: Seattle's gonna be very happy to play the field position
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: game because their punt unit has been so good and
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: the punt returning has been so good. So if you,
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: as Marcus Jones, can get that big return to prevent
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: Seattle from accumulating that small edgend of the return game,
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: that's a big deal as well. So Marcus Jones and
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: Kyle Williams, the speedy players, those the ones I keep
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: off love it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Well, he's Benjamin Solak at ESPN. You knew that though,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: and you should definitely give him a follow. He's a
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: kindred spirit of ours. As you can tell. Ben, thanks
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: so much for fallasanks for stopping by.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it. So there's a lot of good things that
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: that Ben just laid out.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: That I had on my list. So now my job
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: is done. I'm just gonna pack up and go home.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: No. Hey, we even got to the special team stuff too,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Like this is this is a huge special teams game, Evan.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think people understand.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Is it true your there's never been a punt return
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: touchdown of the Super Bowl?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Is that true? Yeah? So Devin Hester obviously.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Been a kick return and Desmond Howard and then I
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: think not Percy Harvy.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Percy Arvin.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: There's never been in fifty at a kick returning kicks return.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's ever been a punt return touchdown
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl. I heard that statu yesterday and I,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: you know, trusted the person that told me it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: So I kickoff return touchdowns, longest punt return touchdown can
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Darry or longest punt return Kadarius Tony sixty five yards? No,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Shahena and Marcus Jones are two of the best. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: it's two good coverage units. But I will say and
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: his thing about the battlefield position. When the Patriots had
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: their issues in kickoff coverage late in the year, right, yeah,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: and they've been better, not great, but better. But one
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: thing they've done is especially against good returners. And they
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: did it last week. They said we'll take touchback start
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: at thirty five. Now, it's one thing doing that against
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Jared Stidham, you know, but with you know, in a
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: field position battle are you gonna be more willing to
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: do that or you're gonna test or sheet shied. They
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: did not want to test Marvin Mims last week. Yeah,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: and even in the punt game. I look, Bryce Beringer
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: didn't have a great game, but it wasn't as bad
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: as I think some people thought because it was a lot.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Of it was directional to get it away.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Right, and part of the design was kicking as high
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: as again so the schooler can get down there. So
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: this guy doesn't, you know, run one back on us,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: especially in such a low score in games. So absolutely,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: it's that part of it's going to be fascinating. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: love I think he's an awesome player, some of my
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: favorite players to watch. He also has a really fun
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: name to say that might be part of it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: There's only a few players in the league, and I
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: think Marcus Jones obviously doesn't play receiver, but yeah, defense.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Teams, there's only a few players in the league.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: That are a threat to touch to score a touchdown
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: wherever they touch the ball. You know, you don't the
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: NFL is you know, these athletes are so great in
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: the league that you just it's pretty rare to be
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: able to have a guy that can house it from anywhere.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: And Rashiji Heat's on the short list of guys that
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: if it's a punt return. It's a kickoff return, it's
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: a it's a jet sweep, it's a slant, it's a
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: go like whatever it is that gets the.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Ball in his hands.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: He's he's could house eighty yards, seventy five whatever.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: He's a dangerous player.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: The other point that Ben hit on that I really
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: thought was kind of a key to the game is
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: you know this personnel matching I think is the best
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: way to I would say on both sides because starting
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: with the Seahawks defense against the Patriots offense, a big,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: big part of why the Seattle defense has really taken
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: off this year is nick a man worry. Uh, there's
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: there's safety. He rookie safety. Drafted him in the second round.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Full disclosure. I did not think he was gonna be
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: a great bro I was wrong about.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: He's one of those guys.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Bad job by me.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Nick Emon Worry is one of those guys because he's
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: like six.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: Two two twenty, he's he's a and he he's got linebacker,
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: safety hybrid trades. Well, it's not just Bill Dolichick would
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: have absolutely loved this play.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: He's kind of souped up Coyd Loggers. So Nick Emon
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Worry is six three two twenty ran a four to
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: three eight forty with a forty.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Three inch vertical.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just absolute total freak, that DK Metcalf kind
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: of guy.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: And well he actually got traded for DK Metcalf ironically.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Now, sometimes those guys, like some guys, you know, I
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: love to talk about these guys in the draft where it's, yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: everybody thinks he's too good to be true and sometimes
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: he's not. Trek Wallen or Reek Walling as he goes
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: by now was one of those, but so was Dewan Jones,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: who hasn't really figured out. So he was one of
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: those guys that looked too good to be true and
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: then it turned out no, it was true.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: He's he's a really good player.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: So he's kind and look it's only one year, just
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: his rookie season so far, but he was dynamite and
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: he's kind of like like you mentioned, like this is
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: if Kyle Duggart like really hit and really doubt that's
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: the type of player we're talking about. But the big
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: part of you know, why I bring him up is
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: he's kind of the chest piece that makes his puzzle
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: fit together.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: They can play they can Nickel without playing Nickel.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because they can. They put him as the slot
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: or as an overhang player. And when they do that,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: it allows them because he's essentially a linebacker, it allows
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: them to hold up in the run game.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: At a Nickel, he has the play strength of a lineback.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: So they play fewer bass personnel snaps. In any defense
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: in the NFL, they play five plus defensive backs are
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: the vast majority of the game. There Nickel, and then
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: on third down and long that they'll play some dime.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: And I think one of the biggest thing about this
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: matchup from that standpoint is Seattle is not going to blink.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: If the Patriots put six to zero line or two
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: tight ends on the field, they are not going to
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: blink and match it in base They're just not going to.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: So can the Patriots put six offensive linemen on the
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: field and run it and be successful running it?
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: No team has been able to do that. The Seahawks are.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Awesome across the board against six offensive line I looked
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: it up because I thought, oh, maybe this would be
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: like one of those little things that we could look
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: at and say, you know, try to exploit no like
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: they've been great against six offensive line, despite the fact
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: that they haven't played really any base defense.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: There really is not much when you go through the
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Seattle defense. The one stat everybody points out is their
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: numbers against tight ends skewed heavily just by the fact
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: they played Trey mcback bride twice. He's probably the best.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: Tight and a lot into like you know, we were
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: talking a little Cover six earlier. Yeah, you know, a
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: lot of it too, is like they're just taking the
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: dump offs to the tight ends underneath his own coverage
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: and just kind of living with you.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: So that's that's an interesting I found this earlier speak too.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: They've allowed the most catches to running backs of any
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: team in the.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: League because they have their they have the third highest
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: checkdown rate.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: In Yeah, in terms of yards allowed.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: It's like all it's all little checkdowns and dumpops because
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: they they take away the big But that is.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Where to what Ben was just talking about. If you
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: get Travon Henderson in space, he's not the average guy
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: to bring down in space. Yeah, and if if you
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: can turn one of those checkdowns, and that might be
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: how you have to get your explosive play. Is a
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: check down to Travon Henderson or you drop some sort
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: of screen to Kyle Williams and something like that and
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: that guy just does it himself. That might be how
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: you have to get it.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I look at this on paper. Yeah, you know
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: nickel Nickel defense. They got five defensive backs on the field.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: They will not blink. They will not put base on
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: the field, even if you go six o line. They
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: also won't blink with their too high shell like. They
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: will sit in too high safety shells all game long.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: It's they're the number one defense in the league and
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: too high safety rate in terms of structure and both
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: coverage so like meaning what they show pre snap and
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: what they actually play post snap. So they're they're gonna
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: sit in a too high shell, They're gonna sit in nickel,
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: They're gonna play out of nickel. They're gonna be four
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: down defensive linemen. What does all this tell you to do?
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: All of its screams run the ball, all of its
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: screams run it. But then you look at their metrics.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Nobody has been able to run the ball against them,
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: no one. So the question is that you know, you
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: go back to the Trevon Henderson point, it might not
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: be a consistent four and a half yards a carry, right,
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: But can you get one or two big explosives in
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: the one game all year to kind of exploit the
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: fact that they're gonna be in light boxes out of
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: light personnel.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Again, no team has been able to do this.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: The other thing that I would just bring up with
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: this personnel matching, when they do play a more standard
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: kind of three or or even dime three corner nickel
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: or dime Devin Witherspoon now goes into the slot and
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: they have Josh job comes on the field to play
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: the other cornerback spot on the outside in Rik Wollens
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: obviously on the other side.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: So that's a more standard look.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: And if I'm the Patriots, like that's that's the.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: The structure I would want Seattle in. I would not.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: I would not want Iman Worry as the overhanger, the
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: slot defender.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: I think he's too dynamic in that spot. You want
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: him in the.
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: Deep part of the field where he's a little more vulnerable,
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: which is what was all over his college tape. Seattle
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: just had this Kyle Hamilton role in mind for him,
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: and it's just been you know, Banana's good, right, and
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: that really changed everything.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: But Josh Job, I think is vulnerable.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: I think that if you can get Keishawn Boudi on
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: the backside against him, you can maybe hit some big
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: plays down the field one on one, you know, on
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: the outside. And I also would say that if you
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: get with her spoon in the slot, like, now, can
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: you run the ball again?
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: Can you find ways to run the ball now? They
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: only play that look really in third and long because
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: they don't want where they's spooned to be at the
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: point of attack in the run game, so it'd be
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: like running on third and.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Eight, which you obviously don't want to do, right.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: But I think the biggest you know thing about this
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: matchup from that standpoint and this personnel.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Matching stuff, is that Seattle just does not blink. They don't.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: They don't get panicky at all about heavy personnel eleven
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: six oh line twelve.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: With two tight ends, nothing like that. On the other
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: side of the ball.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: In terms of the Patriots defense, we all love Marcus Jones.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: I think Marcus Jones is a terrific player. I thought
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: the way Ben you know, broke it down was perfect.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: This is a type of game where Seattle is twenty
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: ninth in the league, and how often they put three
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: wide receivers on the field. They are a condensed formation,
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: heavy personnel grouping offense, whether it's with two tight ends,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: whether it's with Robbie Oots, they're full back, like whatever
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: the case may be.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: They just don't really do a whole lot shot.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: They don't do a whole lot of like spreading the
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: field in the eleven personnel.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: It's just not really what they do.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: So sam fit thing like, if the Patriots sit in
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: three corner nickel, Seattle's gonna run it down their throats
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: or they're gonna try.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: So what do you kind of do with Marcus Jones
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: in this game?
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: I think is kind of fascinating because you can't really
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: have him be like, you know, obviously.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: When you're in three corner nickel. The nickel is like
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: the strong side linebacker.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: And if they're gonna run outside zone right at one
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty pound corner, you're gonna gonna it's gonna
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: be a long night.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: And the other interesting thing about it is and as
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: you know, look the Patriots are here, they're in the
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: super Bowl. They clearly built a good team, but we
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: had talked about it, like as good as they were doing,
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: depth was gonna be the biggest issue if they need
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: to go to Nickel or die, like they don't have
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: another It's not like, Okay, it's gonna be the third
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: corner or the third safety. Right back in the days
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: when they had Kyle Dougler, Jabriel Peppers and Adrian Phillips,
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: you know, we might say, hey, this is more of
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: an Adrian Phillips game as that fifth defensive back then
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones game. I don't know that you're turning to
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Alex Austin or Dell Pettis to add more size at
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: that spot. If you're gonna play five defensive backs, Marcus
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Jones is the fifth guy. So I don't know, do
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: you get creative and maybe put him outside and the
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Carlton Davison the slaughter's a little bigger, Like he's not
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: necessarily gonna do much better. But yeah, it's just interesting,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: like this is where you kind of see that they.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Because they've lived in Nickel a lot too. Is sort
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: of the point.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to drive home, and I remember a while ago,
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: dan Orlobski brought this up, and I think he kind
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: of got dragged for it because of how good Marcus
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Jones has been this year. But Dan brought up the
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: fact that the Patriots playing a lot of standard three
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: corner nickel, which is, you know, if you're gonna do that,
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: he said, the only team that could does that at
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: a high level is Seattle because they have Nick Ammon
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: Worry right, Like it's like the oh, they have this
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Swiss army knife that can just do all these different things. Now,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: this I'd be, you know, pretty outside the box thinking,
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: I guess is the way to put it. And I
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: don't know if they have this in their bag. This
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: is just a total guess.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: I do wonder if maybe they think about inverting the
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: structure in the back end and putting Craig Woodson or
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hawkins down and Marcus Jones at safety in the
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: game like this, And it's not safety in the traditional
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: sense of like you know, he's gonna be playing the
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: post and he's Devin mccorty now all of a sudden,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: but the way that they run the ball, the way
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: that they boot off of it, the way that they
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: run JSN on those over routes and those crossing routes.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: You know, can you kind of use Marcus Jones almost
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: as like a bracket player to kind of catch JSN
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: coming across the field?
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Well? Also, how you know when she heeds on the field,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: because she he's gonna be up the field when they're
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: an eleven and they need a match. It like gives
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: you that speed over the top against sh Heed what
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you're gonna need.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: I just wonder if maybe you know, because a lot
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: of Ben brought up the Minnesota game as well in
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: the vikings, a lot of that stuff that they did,
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Flores did in that game, and I you know, I
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: wrote this down this is that was a Super Bowl
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: fifty three reducks. Like Brian floor Is literally when and
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: said we did this against Sean McVay and the Rams
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: in Super Bowl fifty three. Quint Kubiak comes from the
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: same exact coaching tree. It's the same off The Patriots
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: look at it, and that's exactly what they do this time.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: You know, obviously different coaching staff, different personnel. Right, I'm
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: not saying that they're gonna, like, you know, do it
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: because they have ties to that game necessarily, but it's
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: what worked with Minnesota and I think it has a
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: chance to be successful. Our next guest is waiting right here, Sean.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: What's up man?
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: How we doing? Yeah? Absolutely here guys. Beautiful backdrop. Oh
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: thank you? Right over there, we get to see it
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: quite professional.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, but we all we got.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: We all we need is the slogan of the Patriots.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: It's everywhere like it's our slop. Yeah, it's just you know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: it's all over all the Patriots stuff. Sean, see it
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: from super Sports right with us now, And I was
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: just reading actually on the plane ride here, uh, the
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: stats dump that you and Tej put out for this game,
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: and I might have like stole like ten nuggets from it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: So I really appreciate that. That was really cool.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: But Sean, you know, we kind of starting off with
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: everybody in the same way. Just you know what, what's
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: your kind of big picture takeaway of you know, how
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: this game is going to unfold to you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I think that people look at it and say, Okay,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks are favorites. I still feel like I trust
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of parts of this Patriots defense that I
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: think at all times of this season I maybe didn't.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I think seeing Milton Williams, come back, come back healthy,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: come back attacking. I cannot wait to see Milton Williams
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: over that center, over that right guard for the Seahawks.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: That's going to be on my mind early enough. And
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: of course we can talk about JSN and all that
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: fun stuff, but to me, it's it's bout the Williams
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Seahawks against that center, left guard for the Patriots and
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: then Milt for the Patriots.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: I think the other thing we were just talking about, actually,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: I'm interesting to get your opinion on, is, you know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: just how the Patriots defense matches up against Seattle's offense
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: personnel wise, and the guy that we are trying to
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: get on the field, I guess is as much as possible,
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: of course as Marcus Jones, who you know has had
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: a great year. But the amount of outside zone that
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: the amount of that they that they deploy, you know,
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's necessarily a great game for
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: undersized nickel corner. And you know, I saw in your
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: stat right up that you know, in terms of like
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: pass right over expected and all those good stats that
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Seattle's just run run, run all the time.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was talking to klon Kubiak on Opening Night,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: and I mean he is a person that is committed
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: to those early down runs even when they're maybe not
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: all that efficient. I do think, though the Seahawks run
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: game has looked a little bit cleaner over the last
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: a J Barner A J Barner is a problem to
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: have to go up against on those outside zone type runs.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I think as Kenneth Walker continues to be healthy, he
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: looked really really good against the Rams. So I still
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: feel like on paper, you know, in your head you think, yes,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: you want to have Jones on the field, just because
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: you want to have those defensive backs to deal with
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: some of that explosive passing. Because I think the biggest
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: concern is, say you get that base personnel you're now
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: you're stopping those runs and now JSN running across the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: entire formation, and no one wants to cover that.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: How I asked you know this earlier in the show,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: but just hereious your thoughts. So you know, you see
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl time teams are so focused on taking
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: away the star that somebody else breaks out Cooper Cup.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Are people underrating Cooper Cup's importance to this game?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: No? I do think a little bit because the resources
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: are going to be devoted to JSN, right, I should yeah,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: and yeah, of course, And so I do think I've
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: seen Cup. You see him make a few of those
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: big plays as of late where look, you can look
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: at him at different points during the season and kind
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: of wonder, well, what are you going to get from
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Cooper Cup? But I'm thinking of a catch like on
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: the left side against the forty nine ers and in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: a pretty nice tight window. So I do think like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: there is that real threat there. And then I mentioned
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Aj Barner before. That's another person where the Seahawks have
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: two tight ends on the field over and over and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: over and when they're going to pass out of that set,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Barneriser and some certainly someone that I look at.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: The other thing I wanted to ask you about because
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: I steal your playbooks all the time and things like that,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: which I greatly appreciate. I just you know, when you
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: watch his Patriots offense, And I got the chat with
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Briefly about this this morning.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: There there are a lot of Brady elements to the offense, certainly,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: but then you have Drake May who is just a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: different skill set, different kind of player. How have you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: kind of seen Josh kind of married Drake May's mobility
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: and the old Brady staples that you know, we love.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you get some of that May freedom,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: where like you need to have that. You can't just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: tell them, hey, you need to play kind of like
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: a robot over and over. At the same time, though,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: like you know, we don't have to do the Tom
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: to Drake comparison. When May hits that top spot of
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: his drop, I mean, he's always there and that's what
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: was one of the things that obviously made Tom so special.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: It makes your offensive lines life easier and easier. So
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: I like seeing different things where I thought May during
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: the season at least like found the right dial of hey,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: this is the hero play. This is not the hero play.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: In the playoffs, I think maybe that dial is kind
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: of knocked off a little bit.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: But you know, come Super Bowl time, you're gonna need
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: him to put on the cape.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: How much of that do you think was playing better
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: defense's weather, the shoulder versus you know, some people have
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: said he was, Oh, I guess, let's split this way.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: How much of that was the weather, maybe the shoulder
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: versus him having to adjust his game against better defense.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily sure if it's him having to adjust
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: his better game. He did not play his three best
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: games of the season in the playoffs. I don't think
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: you know when no one's gonna fight about that. Of course,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: you see the Chargers, you see the Texans, you see
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: the Broncos. Yes, of course the weather is going to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: have that effect. Well, I do feel like some of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: those times where, uh, like the Patriots are one of
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: the top offense in just shorter throws, so when May
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: is checking it down, not at a super high rate,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: but a lot of those players are actually generating, you know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: good yards on that and it feels like sometimes in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: the postseason, you know, if you're trying to bite off
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: just a little bit more you can chew, then it
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: becomes a problem for the offense.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: What makes Mike McDonald so good at timing up blinzes
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: because I think there are some trends that you can
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: look at, like, obviously every team brings a little bit
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: more on third and long and things like that, but
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: it does seem like everybody is keep saying it's wildly unpredictable.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: You know, what do you see from him in that regard.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he has a special understanding of if
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: you can make the offensive center's life hard, it really
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: breaks apart a lot of things like that center is
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: gonna slide one way. That's kind of the pivot point
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that it feels like McDonald really attacks, and I think
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: when he sends five, it's a pressure like it's like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: such a high percentage of that pressure. But he's not
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: too proud where he understands, hey, we can just win
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: with four over and over and over again. I'd be curious,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: you know, that first third and eight that second third
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: night McDonald likes to send kind of four guys to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the weaker side of an offense, so it's three on
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: four for the offense, you get that free runner. I mean,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fascinated to see just what that what
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: does that blitz rate look like for them?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: On top of that, just kind of some of the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: stunts and line games, and how have you seen the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Patriots offensive line, especially that young left side, that our
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: rookie left side, how have you seen them kind of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: change of how they'd handled that during the year, And
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: is that maybe the pressure point for the Seahawks to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: push in this game.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to be right. It's that center,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: it's that left guard.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: More and then I think like with Will Campbell at
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: left tackle, when you watched the game against the Broncos, Yes,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: there's the clip of he's cutting and it looks like
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: this awful miss. Like I think on the even he had.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Thought much better.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: So to come off of that and to be able
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: to end with that game like that is obviously, of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: course a positive thing to have. But to me, it's yeah,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: it's Leonard Williams, it's against that center, it's that left guard.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of Byron Murphy. There Byron Murphy I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: think does a strong job in that run game. It
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: feels like when you are a four down, like we're
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: sending four guys over and over, you're going to get
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: into some of those stunts. So I'm curious, do we
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: see that center, that left guard working towards Leonard Williams
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: and does that mean hey, now we got a defensive
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: end looping around in the middle.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: We talked a lot about some of the guys on
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: the periphery, what the heck do you do against JSN?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Because I mean, I think the one thing.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: That I have seen in Solaq was on with us
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: before go back a little while ago, and he mentioned
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: this as well.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: I have seen teams have some success.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: With clouding the coverage on him, you know, like pressing
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: him up on the line of scrimmage and then the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: safety over the top. That's pretty much the only formula
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: that I've seen work, you know, and I know I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: can already feel it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I keep repeating this.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: I can already feel the Patriots fans during the game
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: the second Christian Gonzales is not the one that's on
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: JSN and they're gonna lose their marbles.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Just what would you do? And you know, what have
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: you seen work for a team at all? Yeah? Of course, yeah,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: not a lot work.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: I think when you think of the Patriots, we think
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: of the famous cover one double, right. We have two
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: people in Manton man coverage on this player no matter
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: where he goes. Now, my only concern there is, I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: thought Klein Kubiak called the game of his life against
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: the Rams. Where JSN is in the slot, he's outside,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: he's in the backfield, he's moving into the backfield. So
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: that makes it really hard because if he was in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: a static alignment, yes, let's get a corner back back
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: up in his face, Let's have a safety over the top.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Let's play that through and through. But JSN is not
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: a static piece. So I I'm going to be fascinated
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, are you seeing a safety rotate
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: down to him when now he's moving into the slot,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Because ideally, I'd like to make it a game where look,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: if Kenneth Walker runs for one hundred fifty yards and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: they win because of that. Fine, if it is Cooper
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: cut making five third down catches, okay, that's fine.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: You gotta do what you can to stop JSN.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: So to me, if it's if it's in the slot,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: it's that double coverage in man coverage, if he's in
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the backfield, that's what really stresses me out. Are you
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: comfortable moving Gonzo inside a little bit there? Of course,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: as we mentioned Jones as well, but I'm going to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: be really fascinating to see those safeties because to me,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: the Patriot safeties they like to play a little bit
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: aggressive downhill. You get an inbreaking route, you can maybe
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: go ahead and pick one off. But I think Jasid
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: loves to run that kind of post route against safeties
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: We're talking a little bit about this before you came
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: on to the best returners in the sport, Rashid chi
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: Heed Marcus Jones. Who is the better chance to break
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: one and flip the game.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great question. It feels like sh Heed,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: but that's because we kind of more recently saw one.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: I do love that these are two good special gams units.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: You know, it stresses me out when watching the Seahawks
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Rams game to think like, oh, this is going to
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: kind of come down to a special team's play.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: So I think I leaned towards you Heet.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: I think that maybe the bias just because we saw
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: that touchdown recently. But it's not just about the touchdowns,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: like if you're getting those like I mean, we see
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: the new kickoff, you get just hey, now we're starting
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: to feel starting the ball in the forty yard line,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: punt returns, you're stealing those ten yards here and there.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is going to be a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: game where those yards are just going to mean so much.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we know, Donald's come a long way. And
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: I always preface it that way because I don't want
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: this to sound like I said earlier. This is not
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: seeing go Sam Darnald from the New York Jets. This
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: is a different player now that being said, he did
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: leave lead the league in takeaways. Here giveaways, I should
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: say he did, you know, I think numbers wise, the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: pressure wasn't great.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: You know, in terms of handling under pressure.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: How much have you seen him grow and do you
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: think that you know, where does he fall in the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: now he's a franchise quarterback versus what we kind of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: saw with the Jets.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: It's cool to think he has one win away from
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: football and mortality. Like at a story level, that's cool.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: But I feel like if I didn't have the NFC
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Championship game film in my mind, I would feel like, hey,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: this is a game where Patriots, you can pressure him,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: you can blitz him, we can condense that bocket.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: He's gonna throw the ball.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, he played the best game of his life,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: just like a few weeks ago against the Rams. So
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: to see Klin Kubiak be comfortable rely on him in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the past game was fun to see. I think that's
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit more in my mind, But I think
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: back to you that first game against the Rams, where
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: you're you're winning inside, you're condensing the pocket. We're moving
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: a safety across the formation, and now we're getting Darnald
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: to hold that ball just to tick longer. And you
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: go from being an offense that is able to hit
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: those exposives at JSN to now against pressure, you're kind
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: of more along the middle of the of the road.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: All right, give us your game prediction. We gotta gotta
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: get a game prediction from everybody.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Go oh yeah, I think I have the Seahawks winning
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: and winning the game by three, sorry to say it,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: in front of this beautiful backtop and everything.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I do think it's gonna be closer than then. I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the if it's like a if
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: it goes out to hey, people think it's gonna be
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: a blowout, but it feels like a slug fest, a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: defensive slug fest. I could like definitely see. I think
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: the patri's path to victory is maybe you're receiving the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: ball to start. You know, Josh McDaniels, he's gonna have
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: some shenanigans. We know he's gonna have. He's been here
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: like nine times. He's gonna have something fun drawn up.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: You're able to get ahead, You're able to make the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Seahawks kind of play a little bit more on your schedule.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, unfortunately got win my three.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Along those lines, Part two of the Game Prediction. Last
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: time these teams played in the Super Bowl, you had
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Chris Matthews looked like was gonna come out of nowhere
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: and be the euro and then an undrafted rookie name
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: Malcolm Butler stole the spotlight from him. Two guys that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: nobody had heard of. The casual fan had not hurt
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: her prior to that game. If we get a guy
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: like that in this game, who is it?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: If it's a New England Patriot, it's Milton Williams.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: I know he's got no no, no, no, no, Like that's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: highest paid player. And I'm talking about like, look guy
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: that nobody's ever heard.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Of, tius tongue in the rug. Can we do that?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: We do that? There we go.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: I love that one. I actually that's what I'm talking.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: We had a similar question Fred and on Pu asked,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: and I said, it's gonna be Kiris Tonga, right, and
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: maybe even you know, blocking a little bit in the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: run game on offense too, he's very good. Uh, Sean,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: tell everybody where they can find your work. If you're
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: an analytics guy like me, you're gonna want to follow
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: this guy.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Appreciate that.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Just check me out on Twitter at Science Games breaking
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: down every single thing that that I love learning about
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: this game.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Cannot wait for Sunday. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: it much so.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah that I'm telling you, Sean gives me playbooks all
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: When I ask him, he gives me stats.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Very helpful for your guy here, I really quickly or
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: not really quickly, we can talk about it. But Patriots
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: just dropped their first injury. All right, So we got
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: the injury report.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Do we get the too?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: I did not look for that, but we got an
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: injury report.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: Drake may full participant in Wednesday's practice with his right shoulder.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: I honestly think, and uh, you know this is I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: think we were head of this direction no matter what
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: we had Doctor Chow on Patriots Unfiltered earlier Alex and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: he said the same exact thing. The Robert Splain injury
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: is the injury we should be talking about. I understand.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: I said that last week. I understand that that's not
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: an injury to the start in quarterbacks throwing shoulder a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: week before the Super Bowl. I get that it's not
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: as sexy or as important necessarily in some ways. But
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: Robert Splain did not practice today for the paper.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: He was the only player.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Harold Landry just to throw in they complete the news.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Harold Landry limited as well.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it sounds like maybe Landry's going to try to.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: But Splaine did say today that he plans to play.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: But I guess the question is even if he plays, like,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: is he one hundred percent Probably not.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I honestly I'm not trying to be like,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: you know, different or anything with this.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I just think the Splain not being different.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: I've been saying the same thing.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: It's a bigger deal, like I Drake may know and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: we know what they look like without Splain.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: Now some of that was without Milton Williams Tipe, but yeah, no,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm with you on that, especially now he's upgrade
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: to fall I I thought Splayne said. I want to
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: find the quote because I know I retweeted earlier, and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: then I want to get into something real quick from
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: that interview we just did. Splaine said, via Zach Cox's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent confident he'll be able to play on Sunday.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: But I guess that doesn't set to a level, right
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: And you know, if he's out there but he's sixty percent,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: did he become more of a liability. I guess that's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: part of the conversation.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: So I think that it's fascinating.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: I mentioned we had doctor chow on earlier, and I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: think one of the things that he really was able
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: to outline for us is the discussion that happens in
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: terms of, you know, if we have two guys that
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: are active that are dealing with injuries, if now both
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: guys can't play at their full tilt or their compromise
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: or they go down and just get out there and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: they just.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Can't they can't do it.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: You know, they can't give it a go against very
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: difficult There could be a world where the Patriots might
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: need to pick, right, like whether it's Landry or Splain
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: that's active in this game. You know, I lean it
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: still even though he's not practicing, I still lean it
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: towards it being explained. I just think that he's been
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: a healthier player. You know, Landry's been dealing with this
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: for months and months. But yeah, that that that's really
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: right now is the number one question is you know,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: is Roberts play gonna be healthy?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I think Drake Mayschulder is gonna be just fine.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: And I said this and I'll say it again, it's
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: week twenty one. Nobody's like really fully healthy. We throw
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: around the term one hundred percent. Nobody's one hundred percent
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: this time here. Even the kickers and punters and backup
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: quarterback have their bumps and bruises at this time of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: the year.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Really realistically, for this time of the year, I think
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: he's relatively fine. But Splain and we've talked a lot
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: about it. You know they're gonna have some issues against
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: that outside zone and maybe you're not gonna stop it
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage, but then you need that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: cleanup crew to come in and hold it to a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: two to three yard run. And that's what they've really
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: missed with that. Robert Splaine and Kenneth Walker is a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: physical running back. He wins tackles, he picks up hitting yardage,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: he picks up yards after the contact. I've talked about
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: this when they lost the Bills and then have Splain.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: In that game, they would hit James Cook two or
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: three yards past the line of scrimmage, but it would
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: be a five yard run because he's pushing the guy
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: over in winning the tackle, and Robert Splain is very
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: good about not letting that happen to him and at
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: the very least being a stalemate if not pushing the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: running back backwards.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: So it's a keep you.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: They miss him, especially against this offense. They miss him
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: along those lines. Deep guys having to come up because
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: I want to answer. I want you to.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Answer my question.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, who is the Chris Matthews or Malcolm Butler. My
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: pick was Tong.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: My pick was Tonga, And I I think the biggest
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: reason why is I remember going back to fifty three again.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: I remember the SoundBite. I think it was in NFL
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: films like what you know what they always do, like
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: the micd up from the Super Bowl, and I remember
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: Belichick on the sideline talking to the defensive line and saying,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: get vertical, Get vertical, get vertical, because the Rams were
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: trying to run the stretch play. They're trying to get
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: outside and they wanted to interior guys to get penetration
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: and get vertical. The one thing that you know he's
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: good at eating blocks too, But I think Tonga is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: a better vertical, get off the ball kind of player
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: if he can come in and he can kind of,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: you know, cave in the middle of the line and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: press that that pocket that the running back is trying
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: to delay, delay and make that read. You know that him,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, like Corey Durden, Like those guys
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: can wreck their run game.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: They really can now.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: So Corey Durton would be like in the same Candy
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: Milton mill Williams obviously very much in this category. Like
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: Hires Tong. I feel like has kind of become a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: known name this year. Corey Durden having a big game.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: The other guy I'm looking at, I can give you
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: one on the other side.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Of the ball.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack Westover. He's been around all year and just
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: kind of been there, and I you know he hasn't
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: been He's adjusting the fullback and that's clear. Yeah, him
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: randomly having some big catcher setting some big block or something.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna go so we him in the flat
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: kind of thing, right, exactly like Schultz the detections against Patriots. Yeah,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: and I'll parlay.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: This one further.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: So Westover's the Seattle guy playing for the Patriots. Yeah,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: and got Jake Bobo, the North Shore guy playing for
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: the Seattle. One of those guys is gonna have a
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: huge play in this game.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you we're gonna have a in the NFC Championship.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: I think it was his first touchdown of the season.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have a Cam Schlitzler moment potentially with Jake Bobo.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Don't bring that guy's name up, you know how I
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: feel about that.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Has been really good talking about it. Yeah, I've actually
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: enjoyed talking.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: To I like Bobo.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: So Patriots injury report, I'll just read it out in
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: the there's not that reddit. There's not very many names
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: on it. Roberts Plain was a d MP. Herold Landry
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: limited with that knee.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: They are Munford limited with a knee, Joshua Farmer full
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: for the hamstring, and Drake may full with the right shoulder.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: So Terrell Jennings is window closed. He's not gonna be
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: he reverted back to injury reserve. Joshua Farmer can still
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: be active now. They've had such great success with the
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: mix on the defensive line. They've been rolling with Lenny
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: t has been a big player for them. Larry Taylor
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: down the three. I don't think that that's gonna change.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: But that's the injury report for the Patriots. You don't
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: usually on the show for the injury report, so that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: was a little different, different nugget.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Let's get back to some of these phones. Let's get the.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: People involved a little bit here. Morrell Muriel is in
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: San Francisco. That's Morrell. Oh, I said your name correctly.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you did.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: All right, call us back and we'll get you, try
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: to get you again.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Nate? Nate?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: You know it is an hour on hold. Maybe that's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: why Mark is in Connecticut.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: What's up? Mark?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: We're just getting rid of all the people that have
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: been on hold for an hour plus.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Mark.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: You there, Yes, I'm here, guys.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Lets do it. What's up? Mark?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: So just wanted to start off by saying thank you
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: for everything this whole season.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: Just wanted to say that, you know, it's been.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: A heck of a ride and happy to do it.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Man. I am so psyched for this game.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: Score.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I got two things. My score prediction. I'm actually gonna
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: go with the Seattle Sea game from back in twenty fourteen,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: twenty eight to twenty four I'm gonna actually go with
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: that score, the same one. And then the other thing is,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: I know this is going to be a big topic
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: for the off season, but mark my word, Max Crosby
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: will be a new England Patriot this offseason. Love you boys,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Let's go win it.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks Mark, thanks for the call.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: It does feel like Max Crosby has been very vocally
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: public about his support of Mike Rabels Well.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: Diana Orsini said today on ninety eight five, straight up,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: he told her he wants to not.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Just he wants to me Patriot, he wants to play
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: for Mike rabel Yeah, it.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: Sounds like and you could just see it, like you
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: could see those two personalities being a perfect you know,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: sort of combination or whatever you want to call it marriage.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: Would you trade, because we are assuming the Patriots are
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: going to win this game on today, would you trade
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: the thirty second overall pick in the draft?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: I would tell you this, even worst case scenario, I
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: would trade the thirty first and certainly the thirty second,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: and you're not gonna draft a better player in that
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: spot than Max Crosby. You have the financial FlexIt. Although
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: he doesn't need a new contract. He just kind of
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: hates Vegas, right, This isn't a contract thing, all right,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: so he's paid.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, I like some of the edge rushers
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: we're talking about down there, but Max Crosby, Crosby or
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: Romelo Height.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: And also this isn't that we're no longer in the well.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: You know, he's younger, and he is the ceiling. No
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Patriots are and win down mode regardless of what happens
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: on Sunday, even they win the super Bowl. We want
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: him to be back, right. I want to do the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: show here again next year, So yes, you you absolutely
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: make that move.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: It won't be physically here, but I get it here radio.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Right, it's LA next year, right, yeah, Chris California.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: You know you love LA.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: You you are such an LA guy. All Right, we'll
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: all enjoy the Nashville, the inevitable Nashville super Bowl, and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: the inevitable Chicagos and Chicago. Yeah, the Nashville super Bowl
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: is gonna rule.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Oh god, it'd be so cold in Chicago if there's
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: I mean they're building an indoor building. Okay, I'm talking
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: about the the I know, but no, but you're like,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: you're acting like they're not gonna get one.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: They're gonna get oh god, the national one will be cool.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: But I'm we're both all in on Maxican. Can I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: can I add another layer to this because it's probably
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: not just a first. I don't think it's two firsts,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: but it's probably not just a first. Is there a
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: move where you tag Calevon Chase saw On so you
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: can include him in that trade? If the Raiders are like, well,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: we need a guy back to step into.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: That, sure, I would wonder like ideally I would pair
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: him with.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: Caleb Chase Well, the Raiders did right, they had they
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: had I would do that too.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: The year before Chase On came here, Uh, I hear you?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: Though, you know, maybe it's Anthony Jennings is the is
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: another guy that could.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: Well I was talking to somebody about the other day,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: and let's say he has a big game on Sunday.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's not the franchise tag. His Chase On played
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: himself into being a tag player. Maybe gets the transition tag.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah he could, he he he very well might because
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: that market's gonna get silly.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: Right, so he's gonna get twenty million.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: The only way to kind of control that, especially if
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: he has a big game in the Super Bowl, is
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: to tag him in and put a cap on how
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: much it can possibly be with the tag, you know,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: in some way shape.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: And it buys you time and then you can again
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: you can extend him or if you have to trade.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Who was I think that was Brian Hines we were
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: on the other day, Uh, compared to like, he's this
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: year's Josh Sweat. Yeah, Josh Sweat played on her also
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: played next to Milton Williams. By the way, Milton Williams
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: getting guys paid played next to Milton Williams looked really
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: good but didn't necessarily have the pedigree, but he still
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: got paid. Yeah, you know, it could be could be
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: something similar to that. Meanwhile, we all wanted Josh Sweat.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: Jason has had a better year, right.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think sweathead.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: I don't remember exactly what Josh Witt's done, but Jason's
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: had a great year.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Was there? I mean the Cardinals were a tough follow
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: this year outside of that one game where Jakobe Verssett
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: broke the passing record. Yeah, had twelve sacks, he was solid.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: But all right, let's get back to morell. No, I
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: keep saying morel now Murrell in San Francisco?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Is that Muriel?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: Nope, Nope, still not there, going once, going twice?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: All right, that's okay.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: I got a few more notes on on the Seahawks
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: game here, Alex, because I.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: Just think let's still call into well, yes, I just.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: Mean like transitioning off this the caller situation. So I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: want to talk I don't think we've talked to you know,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: our guests for great and they did a great job
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: outlining this game. The one thing that I want to
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: talk a little bit more about that I think is
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: something we haven't touched on quite a bit, is uh
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: Mike McDonald in this pressure scheme that he brings to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: the table.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: So they do a great job.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: They don't blitz a lot, but when they do blitz,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: it almost always gets home. They're number one in the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: league in EPA when they blitz, but they're only twenty
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: fifth in the league and the rate in which they blitz,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: So they don't blitz a.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: Ton, right, they don't, but they're effective when they do.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: When they are highly effective when they do. They also
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: simulate or like scheme up pressure a lot where they're
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: going to kind of show pressure one way, drop it out,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: bring it from other places. So they really cook you
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: up like this is uh, this is I think when
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: we start talking about the defenses, the great defenses in
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: the NFL, and is this the best defense Seattle or
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: is Houston the best defense. I think Houston has slightly
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: better top end talent than Seattle. I don't think Seattle
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: has a Willie Anderson. You know, Devin Witherspoon's a great player.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: But I think Stinking might be a little bit better.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that sort of thing. The scheme, it's spread.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Out they have. They have all pros at all three levels.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: They have the second most all pros in the league.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think the scheme is particularly close. I think
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: the Seattle scheme is way better.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the Houston. The Houston scheme is just
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: the talent. The Houston scheme is just we're better. We
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: talked about this. They don't hide it because they don't
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: need to. Seattle's talented, but they it's like some like
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: uh like Max seasoning.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: So I think the biggest thing that you see with them,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: they kind of do two different things. They have this
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: one pressure that's a pick pressure where they basically they
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: rush six five or six skies and then they run these
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: big games, like these giant stunts where like three guys
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: are going one way, four guys or their three guys
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: are going the other way, and it's this whole like
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: coordinated a way to kind of warp the pocket. Yeah,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: and that I think is maybe one of the coolest
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: like when it when it works, and when you see
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: them and you just didn't do that. I'm like the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: coordination that it takes, the coaching that it takes to
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: coordinate is six guys to execute that scheme perfectly like that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: It's it's like it's like pretty like it's cool to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: watch on the film.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: So they do that. The other thing that they.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: Do a lot of is you know, I would call
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: them creepers, you know, call them simulated pressures where they
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: drop guys off the line of scrimmage and they're gonna
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: like blitz the nickel or they're gonna blitz the safety
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: and then they're gonna drop the end out, you know,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: and so they kind of maintain the numbers and coverage
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: that way, so they're not it's not an all out
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: blitzer and not really leaving the back end ad vulnerable.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Now that all that.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: Being said, they tend to blitz from one side and
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: drop from the opposite side. So the one area of
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: the field that I've seen on film that's a little
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: bit vulnerable with that is you can throw it right
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: at the blitz, like if you can see the blitz
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: coming from where it's coming from. Those are all free acts.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: There's nothing underneath it right there. So there's there's gonna
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: be a defender over the top. Usually it's gonna be
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: like quarters or cover two to that side of the field.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: But there's not gonna be a short zone player.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: So like there's gonna be slants, there's gonna be skinny posts,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: there's gonna be options underneath that. Now it's easier said
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: than done, no to anticipate that and understand all that.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: But I think that that's the number one thing we
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: talked about.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: Drake may kind of extending plays a little bit, But
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: I said this earlier on pu McDonald's blitz package is.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: The it thing in the NFL.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: Like you look across the league at all these other defenses,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: they are all running his pressures now you know he
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: kind of him and Jesse Minter, I would say, or
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: the guys similar, Yeah, that have sort of pioneer this
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: kind of defense of style of like Fangio quarters kind
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: of stuff, but also like having pressure at your disposal.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: You know, I guess you know, long winded way of saying,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: you know, how do you beat this blitz package? What
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: are you expect them to do upfront? I mentioned Hermandra
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: Stevenson being heavily involved in all this. That would be
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: my one hesitation about this being a big Trevon Henderson
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: game is the back that's on the field is going.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: To have to be prepared, yeah, to protect any and
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: it's not I think some people don't understand, like, oh, well,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: just put Trebon Henderson out there for the plays where
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: you're putting six in the pattern or the tight ends blocking.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: You're like, you don't need.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Him into block, and like in theory you can do that.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: But if you suddenly need to check into a play
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: where the back is blocking, like you have to have
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: that option. You have to give Drake made that option
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage. I how do you stay
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: out of it? And this is maybe how Henderson gets
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: more involved, and it's it's it sounds simple, but it's not.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: You don't get into obvious passing situations you'll get in
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: a third seven or longer. You gotta stay ahead of
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: the sticks in this one. That's so, so so important.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: If they can stay ahead of the sticks, it limits
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: the Seahawk's ability to go into some of those pure
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: pass heels and things like that, and that might be
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: mean running with football, and that's you go back to
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: Andre Stevenson because he's the better guy at just getting
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: three or four yards and that's given to him rather
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: than maybe losing yards trying to set up the big play.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: So I think that's first and foremost. You gotta stay
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: on schedule. That's always a hallmark of Josh m McDaniel's
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: offense anyway, but I think especially in this game, it's
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: something you've got to do. The running backs and pass
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: protection I think are very important. And then I'll go
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: back to what we talked about earlier in the show,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Drake May running, because if Drake May start taking off,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: it's gonna do two things. It impacts the willingness to
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: call some of those line games because you're gonna lose
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: contain when you run those it's just naturally what's gonna happen.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: That's gonnappen every time. It's gonna happen more than you
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: wanted to, And it's just the natural clock of those
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: pass rushers. And they are going to be hesitant to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: be as aggressive as they want to be because the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: you know, the third or fourth time Drake may zips
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: by your ear and goes from fifteen yards, you're gonna
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: say enough of that. I'm not letting this kid do
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: that to me anymore. But now that slows down your rush.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: So those three things are how you're gonna offset it.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna cancel it out like they're gonna get
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: theirs on the blitz. But I think you can offset
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: it by doing those things.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: So another thing that I think is big, you know,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: in terms of this game, you mentioned being on schedule.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: You know, first down I think is the most important
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: down in this entire game. Yes, on both sides of
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: the ball, because I think all the same things can
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: be said, and maybe even more so about Sam Darnold
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: being off scheduled. Yeah, you know, Sam Donald, when you
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: look at the numbers, I think one of the biggest
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: sort of again, you know, I mentioned earlier about Milton
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: Williams and Christian Barmore against their interior offensive line of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: Seattle's is kind of like the big you know, uh,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: personnel mismatch in this game that favors the Patriots the
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: other like sort of situational one that favors the Patriots heavily.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: The Patriots defense this year number one in the league
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: in third and long defense, number one fifteen percent of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: the time, roughly third and one defense.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: And Seattle's not a great third down offense.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: Sam Donald and Seattle and third and long offense thirty
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: first in the NFL. So the Patriots are first on
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: third and long. Seattle is thirty first on third and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: long offensively, So if the Patriots can get Seattle into
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: third and long, They're gonna have some success on defense.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: That's what that's telling you.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: I still, you know, go back to I don't think
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: that Sam Donald is to the point now where he
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: is like sort of you know, bulletproof when it comes
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: to not having some of the bells and whistles of
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: a scheme, you know, play action moving the pocket first down,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: you know, success rates and his play action per drop back,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: you know EPA per drop back on play action number
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: one in the NFL.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Off of play action, he's dynamite.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: Off of play action, you start to take away some
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: of that click Kubiak match dust here. Yeah, and then
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: maybe you can kind of have some advantages there. If
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: the Patriot can get Seattle into third and long and
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: making them sells state out of third and long, I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: think they're gonna win the game.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now that's easier said than done.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: Like it sounds simple when I lay it right like that,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: it's much easier said than done. But to me, first
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: down is the most important down in this game.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: Something that kind of ties into that. Uh, the Seahawks
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: are not a good red zone offense. Yeah, bottom third
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: of the league fifty four. The Patriots red zone defensive
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: struggled at times, but they've been good against the bad units.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: They just really struggle against the good ones. So the
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Patriots might be able to get some more red zone
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: success too. And that goes to the I think along
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: those same lines of in those critical situations, I think
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: the Patriots have the advantage.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, the other thing I wanted to talk to you
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: about specifically, I haven't even talked.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: We haven't really talked this week.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: We haven't been because you're staying down in beautiful San Jose.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Santa Clara, Santa Clara. No, everybody keeps.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: On asking me, like, how's Bart, Like, have you guys
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: gotten out yet?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: We have.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: I swear to God, I know people aren't gonna believe
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: us when we say this.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: We have been on separate planets.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: I saw I think for like ten minutes at opening night. Yeah,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think I saw you availability today.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: I think I see you more at home when we
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: are like doing regular Patriots availability during the season, then
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: I've seen you.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't really talk to you an either availability yesterday
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: or today. So you didn't go to the media party
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: last night, No, I do.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: I wasn't there.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: It was it was okay, it was not the aquarium
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta. That was awesome.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: You had He had a great time.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: He had to there was like what was it like
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: an orca or something like that, and he was just
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: staring at that thing.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: No, that was you, he was like, Oh, No, that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: was you. You got really into the dolphins.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: I remember, because they had these dolphins that were like
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm gonna sound I'm gonna.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna tell this story, but go ahead.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: This is really a little what's the word, like, you know,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: hip hisstory right now? The dolphins swim like miles and
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: miles in the wild, and these poor dolphins were in
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: this like tank and I was like, these dolphins like
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: they're peak, captain, you gotta let them fly.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: And the terrible Evan confronted one of the.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: Museum works over the size of the tank, like this
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: poor I mean, she was probably just out of college.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: She was a tour guide, she wasn't a biologist. Nothing
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: she could have done about it. And Evan was furious
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: in the size of the tank.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: It was these dolphins swim, I'm gonna do that.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: You wanted her to do something about it?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Now, I asked her politely.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: You got a little, you asked politely.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: At first.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: I asked her if these dolphins were like being nursed
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: back to health, because that would be a good reason,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: that would be a good reason, you know, for them
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: to be uh in you.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: Know what's it called in captivity?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, captivity is that they got injured or something like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: that and they saved their life, which if that's the case,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: and thank you for your service to the Atlanta Aquarium. Now,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: if you just cage these dolphins and put them in
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: a tank, then I would have been here.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: The thing I was was, I don't.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: We're for me looking out for the wild like.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: I know, good for you for looking out. It's just
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: that woman wasn't gonna be able to do anything about
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: it that moment.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: Obviously, I didn't think she was gonna take the dolphin.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: I would take it, but you kind of like looking
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: for to do something.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: No, they had one of those exhibits they have like
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: zoos and aquariums where it's like the exhibit is like
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: shoulder high and then you can crawl underneath and stick
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: your head. And that was the the penguins in there,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: and that was I'm a big penguins guy, like penguins,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: So getting an eye to eye with the penguins it
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: was fun.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: Well on Friday and Saturday, we'll be able to uh,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: we'll be able to have.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: Some fun probably, I think so I'll bee it.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: We're doing a sports ubuh pregame party. I think you
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: guys are doing once you is yours Friday, both nights
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: at both nights, both nights.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: We have fan rallies. All that information. You can check
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: it out if you're in town. The question I wanted
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: to ask you about was about football and not about
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: Dolphins or anything like that. So I think the other thing,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: and this is more big picture. How much of an
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: advantage do you give the Patriots in this matchup with
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels. Mike Rabel having played in four, right, four,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: because he's on seven. Also, yep, four super bowls as
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: a player. Josh McDaniels, I think this is nine or
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: ten him coordinating six.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: He wasn't here for the first coordinating.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: It's not less. It's being on the staff for Super Bowls.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: I mean he's been here for all six wins.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: I know that. Yeah. Yeah, and then he Willy O'Brien
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: was the coordinator in eleven, so that.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: So he just missed that one. Ye, So yes, this
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: is ninth.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how much this is Mike McDonald's first roado Yeah,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: it's Clint Kubiak's first rodeo.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Let's start there because I have a follow up.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah Kubiak, Okay, I think I was going to ask
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: you the same thing to followup, But I don't know,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: and I mean this is no disrespect to Mike Rabel.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: I don't look at the Rabel thing as as much
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: of an advantage because it was a long time ago
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: and the super bowls different and Vrabel's even talked about
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: this this week, the first one he played, and they
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: didn't have the weekend between, yeah, and it it makes
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: a major difference. Look, yeah, we kind of were saying
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: we weren't worried about Drake made shoulder earlier. Without the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: weekend between, yeah, that would have been I think a
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: much bigger issue.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: So that is not to get bogged down by the
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: one super Bowl didn't have the weekend between because of
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: nine to eleven, right, it was, it was scheduled, they
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: didn't but.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: They still didn't and that's you know, so it's a
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: very different And I think also preparing for the seven
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, I don't know, I didn't cover the team.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: I would from the little stories they've heard and just
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: from what I would think, that super Bowl was a
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: different beast. I think preparing for that super Bowl was
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: a different animal because.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Of what was on the line.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: So it's look, I trust Mike, We're able to get
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: the team Ruddy. I loved what he said this week.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: He got to ask yesterday like what from the Dynasty
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: teams do you do you preach this team? And he
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: said what Dynasty? And he played up the underdog angle
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: and that Steph Digg's comment about we're just a group
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: of players nobody wanted and that whole thing. I love
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: how Rabels handled it. In terms of Super Bowl experience,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's huge, huge advantage. And I'll go back to say,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: the top of the shows I think have a definitive
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: I will say definitive, and the Seahawks coaching staff is
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: not bad. Definitive coaching advantage, definitive quarterback advantage, and I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's experience.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the definitive coaching angle to me is interesting. I
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: definitely give the experience to the Patriots, even though he
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: was as a player.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: I think that at least.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: He's it's not nothing. I just he's touched grass out
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: of super Bow. It's not nothing, for sure. I just
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: think it's it's two different levels. What mcdalel's experience offers
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: versus what Vrabel's experience offers.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: I give a little bit more credence or credit.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: I guess I should say to the schematic chops of
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: Seattle's coaching staff. But I think what the difference is
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: to me is that McDonald is more, uh, I guess
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: in that school of he's such a good schemer and
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: he's so prepared and he's such a good coach that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: players have confidence that he's gonna push the right buttons.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think he is a button pusher? Does that
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: make sense? Like Rabel is a motivational.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Well and that and it's not just a motivational force.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: And this is where maybe you go to Rabel's experience
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: and he talked last week that this is something Joshuac
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: Daniels has helped him with.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, planning for a.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl not game planning. Planning literally, when are we
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: going to practice where?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: You know where?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: How are we gonna do work at You're at a hotel,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: You're you're miles away from your facility. How are we
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: gonna run this? How are we gonna win up run that?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: How often do we want these guys on the bus?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: What's the curf you're gonna be you know? How are
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: we gonna handle our media responsibilities? Things like that? It's
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: a whole different beast. And I'm not saying Mike McDaniel
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: can't handle it. I I don't know. I don't know,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: And we'll see how he did. Maybe he did great.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean obviously he has John Schneider to lean on.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I I just look at that as the advantage.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: I have a lot of respect for Mike McDonald the schemer,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: and have a lot of respect for Clint Kubiak the schemer. Now,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: I would probably give Josh a slight edge against Kubiak
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: just because of experience.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: It's a little more slight nine super Bowl dude.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Well in terms of experience, sure, it's a lot more experience.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: No, I'm know, I'm saying I but like schematically, just
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: x's and no's wise, I think Kobe Act's pretty good.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: I think he's very good now.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: A lot of it is the base of you know,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: what the Shanahan tree does and you.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: Know all that stuff. But I think he's very, very
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: good now.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: The other new bit of news that came out this
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: week that he did not decline to talk about Kouobi
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Act did, but he is in line.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: It sounds like to be the next head coach of
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: the Las Vegas rate.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady high at him to distract him to help
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: the pas.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because Brady's been really pro paid.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah really and also one of his best friends by
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: the way, on the other side.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: So, uh so we know how this goes. We saw
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: this before. You know, Matt Patricia was getting ready to
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: leave for Detroit, Charlie Weiss and Robo Cornell were getting
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: ready to leave at you O four. You know, we've
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: been around this block before with you know, all the
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: Patriots played people Josh McDaniels, you know, as well, say
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: Bill Parcels there, sure, well, very different scenario.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he had it. He was ready for the next job.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: So I don't I think that that's like a very
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: small percentage of a factors.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: The super Bowl comes down small percentages.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: But I know this is up your reality. So how
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: much do you care? What kind of what kind of
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: percentage are you at? Because you know me, I'm like,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: it's like it's in footnote We're not.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Gonna win the Patriots game. It's not.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: But you know, piled on top of other things, it's
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: a it's another thing to deal with. You don't want
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: to be dealing with things this week and as there's
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: always a couple of annoying storylines when your team's in
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl every year. Evan we we Patriots fans
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: know this very well, and some of them are a
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: real pain in the ass, like the Flake Gates. Some
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: aren't look as as frustrating as the drake and shoulder
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: injury thing was last week. The first half of this week.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: He's a full participant today if he goes out there
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: and he is full range of motion and they can
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: call their full offense. It was an annoying story, but
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: it was really kind of nothing, right. Yeah, I would
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: rather my quarterback have like a you know, not like, oh,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: his shoulder was a little sore on Monday, but he's
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: fine on Sunday. Then the offensive coordinator's starting to think
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: ahead of who's gonna bring with him Vegas and uh oh,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: by the way, the owners might sell the team, and
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: who knows where any of us are gonna be in
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: three years, And there's that, Like I put those in
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: the same basket of it's just another thing that you
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: have to worry about that's on your mind, and you
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: can say block out the noise, and you know, I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: think for the Patriots and Drake May's shoulder for the Seahawks.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: It's those things. Drake may shoulder thinks not great, but
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: the shoulder can heal over the course of the week.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: And it sounds like that's what's happening. Klint Kubiak's not
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: suddenly gonna spur the Raiders, and frankly, if he does,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: that becomes another storyline that probably becomes pretty annoying. So
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: it's not nothing. It's not gonna side the game, but
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's nothing either.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: So I think the number one thing that you hit
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: on there that could be a slight factor is obviously
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: you have to start building out of coaching staff right
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: with the Raiders. Now, can Brady is it spit Spy
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Tech does their GM Yeah, uh don't. Can those guys
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: kind of do that for him? He gives them a
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: list and they start calling, you know guys and checking off,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: you know guys off the list and things of that nature,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: I suppose. But that's the number one thing when you
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: We've seen it now two years in a row, so
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: we know, you know. The number one that you do
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: when you get hired as a head coach, The first
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: step is starting to fill out your staff.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Now he's gonna call the offense.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: So that helps, right, Like he's the offensive coordinator and
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: the offensive.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: Architect and we'll call the offense. So that definitely. Uh.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: You know, with Rabel or with Drod Mayo, they had
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: to hire offensive coordinators and that was a major hire
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: in the process for them. This is a little bit different.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: But you know, who's his defensive coordinator going to be?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: Is his defensive coordinator a current Seattle assistant that he
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: is poaching from Seattle to bring.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: With him to to Vegas.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: Are McDonald and him having to spend time talking about
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: who are you taking with you?
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: Who are you're not taking with you?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: Because are they maybe arguing about what that's gonna be?
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Like, I like, how you trying to start that?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: Oh again, It's just it's another thing you have to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: deal with if you want to be able to say, ah,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: he don't want to. This is going back to the
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's thing. This is why Josh McDaniels is a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: perfect unique scenario to get him his offensive coordinator not
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: going anywhere, not anytime soon. And if you know, year six,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: Drake may he gets another head coaching job and look
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: on a hewan level. He wants me, he said he
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: would be interested in being a head coaching job. You
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: want him to get it right if he gets there.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry if you If Drake May has like three
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: or four more MVP seasons, you should be able to
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: handle an offensive coordinator change at that point.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know that that's a it's not nothing.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: It's a it's not it's not a huge thing, but
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: it's not that thing. I do find it interesting. You
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: know that Kubiak his whole career arc. Obviously his father
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: is Gary Kubiak, and had a ton of success in
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: the league in Denver and all that stuff. Shanahan Tree,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: you know, Mike Shanahan connected with Gary Kubiak. Clint Kubiak though,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: you know last year in New Orleans, first, I want
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: to say, two to four games of the season, they
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: are just a wagon, like they scored like forty points
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: a game out of the gate. Then they started to
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: get some injuries and obviously their roster just wasn't that
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: talented to begin with, and it all kind of wore off.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak then goes, you know, I think one of
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: the biggest hires from Mike McDonald.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: He he fires Ryan Grubb as.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: The offensive coordinator, who he originally brought with him to
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: Seattle as the offensive coordinator, hires Clint Kubiak Klink.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: Kubiak has this great.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: Season with Sam Darnold, whose you know, career renaissance is
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: just continuing, and the beat goes on, and now he's
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: head coach in the league, you know, And I just
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: that sort of meteoric rise, that skyrocketing up the ranks
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: a little bit, is is interest saying to me, because
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: you know, I I think that now you know it's
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: gonna move fast, you have to build a staff.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: I'm we're already like the combines in.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: Like right, you gotta get familiar with the Ross's.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: In like three and a half weeks.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: Like literally, uh, free agency is in a little bit
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: over a month, you know, and that these are all
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: things that are you know, going on for all these
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: teams that would be really interesting to see, you know
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: how much that matters?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: I I do think the Patriots have a coaching advantage.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe schematically, My brain is kind of just in the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: x's and o's of it is, like it's not super lopsided,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: but I think it's an advantage when you.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: Pile everything else on it, it gets there, all right.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: A couple more little things, then we'll wrap the show up.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: Stuff we're on late, back down so that we don't
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: have a ton of callers at this trying.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: To fall Yeah, that would be hard.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine that would be.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: We're pretty, We're pretty.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: What's your what's your fall asleep show? What's your goag to?
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Like me to put this on the background? Put the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: sleep mode on the TV?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's a good question. I don't really do that.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: Oh see, I can't sleep in silence anymore. I got
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: used to TV. The hotel I was at, I saw
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: I had to switch hotels because it was just a plan.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: That's how we booked it. You've got to get rooms
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: where you can get them. The hotel did not have
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: a sleep function. That threw me off. That threw me
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: off big time.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: What's your Hall of Fame take? But what do you
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: got to say about the Hall of Fame?
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, I saw you. I said it all last week.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: But here's the fuck.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: Let's do Robert Kraft the respect we did for Bill Belichick.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Famer. We all know it, and
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: maybe this one hits a little less just because it's
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: not He wasn't first ballot. We've seen them snub him,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: and maybe after Belichick, we kind of saw this coming
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: that he wasn't gonna get in. If Jerry Jones a
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, Yeah, what are we doing? I'll say
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: what I said about billlast week. I know what I saw.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: I know what I saw for twenty years. And by
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: the way, yes, Bill is a huge part of it.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: I don't want to take away from Bill, but how
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: many owners have been to the Super Bowl with three
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: different head coaches Parcels, Belichick and out rabel yep in
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: three different quarterbacks bledsoe Brady may so in wild turnover
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: that is insanely impressive. Turnover plus his number one argument
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: right in my opinion, I think, other than, of course,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: the six banners that are hanging in July Stadium, which
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: is well, I think those are those are one in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: the same.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: But the fact but the fact that he did it,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: has now done it three separate times.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: He has rebuilt the Patriots three.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: Well, and he essentially they rebuilt in the middle of
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: one of the coach quarterback combos too.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but theyve he's essentially rebuilt three times.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: He bought the team, you know, in the early nineties
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: high you know, uh, he didn't hire Parcels, right, I
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: think he inherited Parcels. I always forget that timeline. But
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: he he buys a team in the early nineties, goes.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: To Super Bowl.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it goes with this to uh with Bill Parcels
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: and Drew Blood. So that kind of fizzles out, hires
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: trades for Bill Belichick.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: Yep, you have the first time.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: But the greatest dynasty in the history of sports ensues.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: Then that ends because a things, good things.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: Happen to come to an end, although he extended that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: probably eight years plus when its life span should have been.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: And now here we are again now in the defense
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: not in the defense of not putting Robert Cruft in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: the Hall of Thing, because there's no defense of that.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: The voters, though, voted before the Patriots made the Super
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: Bowl this time.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: So but but that'sart whant to bring in where I
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: think it's one A, one B because it's a contributor
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: category and you're not necessarily I don't think it's as
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: much contributing to the league as it is to the
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: team as it is, the organization, the media deals ending
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: the lockout. Jeff Saturday called him the man who saved football.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think he's played a part
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: in the international expansion too, right, He's played a hand
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: in that. And you know his as far as owners go, right,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: he was never the face of the league and the
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: way like Tom Brady was the face of the league.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: But as an owner, I mean it was him, It
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: was Jerry and it was everybody else.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it still is. And you look at.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: The way the league grew when he and he still does.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: But you look at the way the league has grown
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: with him playing such an integral part in the league
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: politics and the way these meta decisions are made. Forget
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: what he's done for the Patriots, and you shouldn't. I mean,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: that's a huge part of it. What he's done for
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: the sport itself, in the league itself, in terms of
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: growing it and growing the brand and growing the business. Yeah,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: it's I don't know how you don't put him in.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: Right, And and all these things come back to especially
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: when you start to compare them to guys that are.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: Already in right.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Exactly if it were hard, if we.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: Do this with Rodney Harrison too, where it's like John
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: Lynch is in and Brian Dawkins is in, and like,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously like guys like Reid and Pallamalu are
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: kind of, you know, in a better category in my opinion,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: But like those guys, Lynch and Dawkins are very comparable
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: players to Rodney Harrison, and both those guys have gold jackets.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: Rodney Harrison doesn't. Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are very
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: comparable people in terms of what they've done for the league.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: Roberts a lot more and they are and he's not
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 5: in right, and so it just that's the part that
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: doesn't make sense. We had Howard Baalzer is a long
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: time Pro Football Hall of Fame voter on Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: earlier and uh, he said he.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: Voted, I don't remember what he said. I don't want to,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: To guess fair go back and listen to it.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: The thing that he said, I would imagine if he
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: came on here.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: He voted yes, because he's not gonna put himself in
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: that ambush.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: So the thing that he said in that I tried
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: to push back a little bit, but I didn't want
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: to be like hostile to.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: The thing that he said was like he gave this long.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, guys, this answer, Anthony Marine was like forty
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: five minutes long, this long, convoluted answer about the voting system.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: And it's three you know, votes for.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: Five people, and YadA, YadA, YadA, and it's a numbers game.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: And it's like, be it's a numbers game either like
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: you really mean that.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: He should be in or you don't.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: Right, Like if it was you have three yes votes
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: out of five, Right, it's very easy to make Bill
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: Belichick and Robert Kraft your two yes votes.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: It's not that hard, right, So that's the thing. The
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: system is they but.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: They keep I feel like a lot of the Hall
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 5: of Fame voters now have just defaulted.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: They're using the system as an excuse, and it looks deflective.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: This is still bad, and it might keep a guy
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: like Mike Holmgren out or Mike Shanahan out because you
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: may say, Okay, the players have the weight. But if
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: you're asked the question out right, who's the more deserving
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer these five, you have to pick three
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick, Robert Craft, Ken Anderson lg Elsie Greenwood and
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Roger Craig. No offense to those players. It's not Belichick
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: and Craft are mots and I byther. I think Roger
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: Craig should be in. I thought he was in. He
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: would get my third vote. I'd vote for all three.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: But you can't say, well, you know, these guys have
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: waited so long, and we got to make if they've
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: there's a reason they've waited. There's a reason they've waited,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: and maybe that's just the process. And let the process
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: through the process of the process determina shouldn't get in,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: don't tweak it. And now the process determines Belichick doesn't
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: get in, because that means process is broken. I know
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: what I saw. Belichick's all favor. He's not getting in
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: the issues with the process and the voters not with
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick's same for Robert Kraft.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, So the other thing that's gonna happen here that
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: this is going to have a really great shelf life
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: of like twenty four hours.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: But we can talk about it anyway on.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: More than twenty four I think it's late tomorrow night.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: For the live audience.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: NFL Honors will be tomorrow night, on Thursday night here
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: in San Francisco. The Patriots are well represented in terms
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: of nominees.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: Six over or five over six categories.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, four on over five or.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: Five five five because it's Drake Rabel, McDaniels, digs Hendersons
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: five for six categories.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they they are all represented a sort of
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: nomination in terms of nominations.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Obviously they're working tomorrow night, so I think they still
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: go to that. They I don't think so if they win.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: They will, so we won't get an acceptance speech.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: They'll have a video.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: They'll play a pre recorded that's gonna kind of suck
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: recording that when you don't know where they're not, you're
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: gonna win it. Part of what's good about those speeches.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: They might be emotion at the moment. Oh maybe they
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: tell them like, hey, you want give us a video?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so let's just go across the ballot. Yeah, well
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: first and foremost and start with I. I hunch total hunt.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: I think Adam V. Terry is gonna get in the
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: I think I'm not giving him anything at this point.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: He should.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not giving him anything at this point, but I'd
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: be right, he should be if I had to guess
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: him and Keikley massive snuffs if I had to guess.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: I think both those guys are going in Row night,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: all right, m v P. I think m v P
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: is gonna be really close.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be Stafford. It's gonna be close.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Staffed.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 4: They they wriggled or down last year to get Joshy
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: his MVP so we could get one. Ephasis on voting
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: because it was so fraudulent, and now they're going to
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: go back to the current, to the way they've always
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: done it.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: So I agree. I think it will be Matthew Stafford.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: I think off here's my hot take, yep, I think
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: he wins Offensive Player of the Year Drake.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: So this is what I don't understand about this. It's
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: it's ass backwards. The award that he is more worthy
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: of is MVP, like he is the more valuable player.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: Like that's the whole thing is And we had many
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: times on earlier she said that's why she voted for
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: Drake May because when you take Matthew Stafford with a
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: great run game and a great play caller in Sean McVay,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: and a great defense on the other side of the ball.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: You know who was the player that elevated his team in.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: The y, who was the most valuable player to his
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: team is Drake May who was the most productive player.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: I think you could probably make a better case for Steady.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, you can't.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: Well, stab you look at the numbers like that, so
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: that I can't.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: So I have no idea.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: What if Stafford. If Stafford was a finalist for Offensive
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: Player of the Year, I'd actually say I think Stafford
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: is gonna win it. This is a bigger picture. Take
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: that all right, Let's say the Josh Allen thing last
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: year was on the level, it's going to be a console.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: It's going to become the MVP consolation. Well, because every
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: we have to coddle the quarterbacks and the quarterbacks have
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: to get everything, and eventually they're going to start giving
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year to the quarterbacks.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: Somehow, Offensive Player of the Year should either be Jasent
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: or Puka.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: I think it will probably end up being.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: They We need to go back to non quarterbacks winning
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: m v P. That's not gonna happen, I know. But
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: but the reason the awards system, like like when you
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: were just like you have Walter Payton and m V. Pole,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: Like we were just talking about with the sake quach
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: and one of last year and they want to yes
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: crazy and like we were just talking about with the
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. The system's broken. But that shouldn't bail
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: out the voters. It wouldn't be such.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: An issue with them. It's left so an issue if.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: They actually considered players at other positions. I'm just saying.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: I I do feel as though, again this is all
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: I have no information on this whatsoever. I promise I
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: do feel that Mike Rabel is gonna win Coach.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: That is the one I'm the most confident about.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: He has one Coach of the Year at all the
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: other you know, PFW at Sporting News, like all these
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: other people that hand out these awards, It's been Mike
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: Rabel Coach of the Year.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: It's not there.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: There's not a ton of overlapping voters, but there is
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: not zero overlapping voters either. You kind of just get
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: the general idea of what a voting body looks at.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: With these kinds of things, it's typically a turnaround award, right.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: He had the biggest turnaround I would say that Mike
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: Rabel is probably gonna win Coach of the Year.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know about McDaniels. That one is tired Coby
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: slam Dunk, so it should be I don't know if
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: he's gonna win.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: Who else is nominated there?
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: So this is the problem that I have.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: And I love Josh McDaniels, and I don't want this
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: to come across as any other thing, but uh, you know,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: thinking that he's great, Yeah, it does kind of irk
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: me a tiny weeny bit that Mike Rabel and Josh
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: McDaniels are going to get recognized, but Drake May is
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: not going to get recognized, right, So that's fair. The
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: coaches that were part of the best single turner you know,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: season turnaround in NFL history, tied, are going to do it.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: Uh potentially, by the way, real quick, it's Fangio Flores, Vance, Joseph,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak, and Josh. If they gave it to Flora,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: I should have said it's slam Dunk.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: If they give it to Flores, I'd be good with that.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: Those are your offensive and defensive whichever way they go,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: they go.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: So, uh that that's just my two cents.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that I would think any less of anybody,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: but I just feel like.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: No, it's weird.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: It's it's the player down playing Drake.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: The player deserves credit.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: Well, no, essentially, what the voters are saying as Drake
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: made is a product of the Patriots system, which is
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: credits the vote, which is crazy.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: But a.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: He did develop like crazy and you got to give
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: the coach some credit for that.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: Okay, So comeback Player of the Year, that's going to
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: mcaff Yeah, that's probably not gonna be.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: I would love for the NFL to add a most
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: Improoved Player like the NBA has, and Drake would win
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: that if they had any I think he won it
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: right with with pfw A because they do do that. Uh,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: they should have the most proved player.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: They should also add a Collective Offensive Line award.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, they have the Protector of the Year.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: Right, but give us like the pro joe more awards.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: I actually think the Protector of the Year award.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: You might get your wish and it might be Jo
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: Joey Lifetime Achievement Award. First one starting to trend in
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: that high five, Greg.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: It's either going to be him or Penney Sewel it's
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 5: gonna be one of the two.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: I think I don't want that to become a tackle award,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: so I'd love it if a guard wins it first.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: I think Ted McMillan is gonna win rookie. I think
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: he is very, very good. Yeah, it's deserving. Trayvon Henderson
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: in a good year, but a good year in like
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: peak games, right, Tampa Giants, Buffalo like.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Really driving up the yards per care that. Yeah, he was.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: He was better for the course of the season.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: So that'll be tomorrow night at NFL Honors Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:58:12
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• 1:58:16
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• 1:58:18
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• 1:58:21
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• 1:58:24
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• 1:58:26
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• 1:58:39
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• 1:58:41
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• 1:58:48
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• 1:58:53
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• 1:58:57
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• 1:59:00
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• 1:59:02
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• 1:59:03
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• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: We'll be home, back in Foxborough next Wednesday, back to
• 1:59:08
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• 1:59:12
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• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see off season. It's nice going into the
• 1:59:16
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• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: Either way, we'll break down and.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: We might be Wednesday unless Tuesday.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll break down the super Bowl. We'll get some
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: probably start to do some off season things. I am
• 1:59:32
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• 1:59:38
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• 1:59:40
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• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: But we'll we'll talk about all that stuff.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: Enjoy the super Bowl, guys, truly enjoy the game. Have
• 1:59:47
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• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: on top, but just in general, it's not normal that
• 1:59:53
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• 1:59:54
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• 1:59:59
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