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Holly Erin Copeland · Postcards to the Universe

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance and prosperity.
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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Melissa Caprill.
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Speaker 2: Ready and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa
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Speaker 2: creating the life you crave. It's Wednesday, and if you're
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Speaker 2: seeing me, I want to say welcome. You're watching me
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Speaker 2: on Own Times TV. I just started doing Own Times
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Speaker 2: TV this month, the month of November, so if you
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Speaker 2: have been listening to me for a while, you've been
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Speaker 2: hearing me on the radio on Times Radio and we
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Speaker 2: are also streaming live on Own Times Radio. So just
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Speaker 2: so you know, if you are coming and watching either
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Speaker 2: on my YouTube Postcards to the Universe or Own Times
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Speaker 2: TV YouTube, you may be seeing the countdown right. And
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Speaker 2: the reason that you're seeing the countdown just for people
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Speaker 2: who are asking, is because that is playing the top
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Speaker 2: of the hour news for radio and then I come
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Speaker 2: on and now you get to see me. I'm super
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Speaker 2: excited to be doing TV now and I have, like
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Speaker 2: my shows have been, I love to have guests, and
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Speaker 2: today I have Holly Copeland and she is going to
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Speaker 2: join me in just a couple of minutes. I am
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Speaker 2: like super excited about this change. I've been doing videos.
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Speaker 2: I made a decision probably about six months ago that
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Speaker 2: I wanted to start doing short videos so people could
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Speaker 2: see my face. And I'm really really promoting those videos
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Speaker 2: on my YouTube channels. So my YouTube everything is under
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Speaker 2: Postcards to the Universe. But I would love it if
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Speaker 2: you would go over to my YouTube if you're not
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Speaker 2: watching me there right now, and start watching some of
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Speaker 2: my short videos. They're under ten minutes. I've been doing
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Speaker 2: oracle card readings because I created my own oracle deck
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Speaker 2: from the manifesting postcards. And the manifesting postcards are the
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Speaker 2: postcards that are in my book Postcards to the Universe,
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Speaker 2: Harness the Univers's power and manifest your dreams. And you
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Speaker 2: could see the book cover above my head. That's what
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Speaker 2: my book cover looks like. And there's thirty manifesting stories
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Speaker 2: in that book that I photograph. Now I photograph, I'm
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Speaker 2: completely different now the book's five years old than I
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Speaker 2: did in the book, but I just love doing it.
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Speaker 2: And I've made oracle cards, so I do a daily pull.
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Speaker 2: It's like a daily affirmation. I try to keep those
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Speaker 2: super short because I know people don't have a lot
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Speaker 2: of time. I've also learning how to read to row cards,
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Speaker 2: so I started doing mini readings, like three card readings,
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Speaker 2: and I like to talk for about, you know, five
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Speaker 2: to seven minutes on anything that is inspirational, things that
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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about, just information that I can put
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Speaker 2: out there that helps us focus on the joy and
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Speaker 2: the gratitude and the abundance that we have in our lives.
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Speaker 2: No matter what is going on outside, no matter what
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Speaker 2: we see outside, we are still in control of what
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Speaker 2: we allow in our own little world, and we are
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Speaker 2: responsible for the energy that we are putting out because
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Speaker 2: we are a mirror to that. So whatever we put
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Speaker 2: out comes back to us. So that's really what the
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Speaker 2: videos are about. Sometimes I'll share, like some spells if
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Speaker 2: I'm working on something, a little little moon magic, just
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Speaker 2: anything that pops into this Gemini brain of mine. Because
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Speaker 2: yet you would think that I would follow some kind
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Speaker 2: of kind of an outlider or something but no, no,
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Speaker 2: it's just like, what do I want to talk about today?
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Speaker 2: And that's what I talk about. So I would love
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Speaker 2: to see you if you could go over there and
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Speaker 2: please subscribe and comment and share, that would be wonderful.
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Speaker 2: Driving to spread as much positivity in the world as possible.
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Speaker 2: And like I said, I love having guests. If you
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Speaker 2: listen to me for a long time, you know, I
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Speaker 2: don't just like talking to myself. So I want to
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Speaker 2: talk to my guest today and I want to welcome
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Speaker 2: Holly Aaron Copeland to my show now. Holly is a
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Speaker 2: former ecologist turned guide to the wild within. Through her
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Speaker 2: work in inner rewilding, she help spiritual seekers, visionaries, and
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Speaker 2: earth conscious leaders return to the wild intelligence of their
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Speaker 2: being rooted and modern nondual awareness and the wisdom of
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Speaker 2: the body. Holly creates sacred containers for deep healing and remembrance,
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Speaker 2: where frequency, ceremony, somaticatuement, and presence converge. Her work is
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Speaker 2: a love song to those ready to awaken coherence between body,
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Speaker 2: soul and earth, and with a background in conservation biology
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Speaker 2: and decades of spiritual practice, Holly blends science and mysticism
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Speaker 2: into a truly integrative path. She is trained in human
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Speaker 2: potential coaching, neuro meditation, subtle energy meditation, biofield tuning, breath work, reiki,
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Speaker 2: and ceremonial plant medicine guidance. Welcome, Holly, thank you, Melissa.
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Speaker 3: I'm so delighted to be here.
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Speaker 2: Excited to talk to you. So you can also and
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Speaker 2: this will be in the description. You can find out
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Speaker 2: about all about her. She's got her website's beautiful. You
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Speaker 2: could go to Holly Copeland dot ceo. So it's Holly
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Speaker 2: h O L L Y c O p E L
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Speaker 2: A A l A n D dot c O. And
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Speaker 2: I say that for my radio folks and my podcasters
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Speaker 2: who aren't who aren't seeing us live. So, Holly, how
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Speaker 2: you know does this kind of work? Like start? How
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Speaker 2: do you how do you get.
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Speaker 4: Into being.
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Speaker 2: An ecologist and talking about the wild connection back to nature?
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Speaker 2: Is it something that you always longed for as a
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Speaker 2: child and it brought you back around? Usually that seems
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Speaker 2: to be. That seems to be what happens. Right. We
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Speaker 2: we go on our life, we're going in a direction
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Speaker 2: and we're miserable, and we're like, I gotta find out
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Speaker 2: what's going on inside? Right? Yeah, it was pretty much that.
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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah. I oriented my career towards towards the
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Speaker 3: environment and being a conservationist because I was one of
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Speaker 3: those people who just you know, I was a save
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Speaker 3: the whales kind of a girl, and at age twelve,
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Speaker 3: you know, and so I was picketing, you know, old
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Speaker 3: growth tree logging when I was you know, in college,
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Speaker 3: and so I had this deep heart for conservation and
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Speaker 3: so for me, a dream job would be working for
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Speaker 3: a conservation group and dedicated my life to the planet,
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Speaker 3: and I you know, oriented my compass in that direction,
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Speaker 3: and that's what happened. I ended up getting a job
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Speaker 3: with the Nature Conservancy and I had that job for
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Speaker 3: over twenty years, and about I don't know, about seventeen
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Speaker 3: years into it, I started to question that choice. And
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Speaker 3: it wasn't that the job wasn't a good job, or
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Speaker 3: the p I love the people I work with. It
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Speaker 3: wasn't any of that. It was like I started to
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Speaker 3: become disillusioned and burnt out. And it really was a
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Speaker 3: sense of like what's it all for. It feels like
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Speaker 3: it's never going to be enough, Like nothing I ever
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Speaker 3: do is going to be enough, and that kind of
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Speaker 3: starry eyed you know, optimism that you have in your
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Speaker 3: twenties and early thirties just started to fade in my forties,
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Speaker 3: and I was really disillusioned and feeling sad. To be honest,
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Speaker 3: I was just sad about the state of the planet.
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Speaker 3: And I was carrying just the burden of all of that, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and weight of all of that, and it had finally
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Speaker 3: gotten to me even though I had, you know, a
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Speaker 3: dream job by then, and I'd had you know, beautiful
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Speaker 3: children and you know, a loving husband, and I had
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Speaker 3: all those things, but I was feeling so sad and
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Speaker 3: really looking to get out of my own sadness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And it must be.
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Speaker 2: Seeing the destruction of the planet, the trees and the
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Speaker 2: earth and our water and our soil and everything must
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Speaker 2: be very overwhelming when you're doing that kind of work
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Speaker 2: because you're one person, right, You're only one person, so like,
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Speaker 2: what can you do? But not realizing that there is
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Speaker 2: so much that one person can do because what we
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Speaker 2: do is a ripple effect to everybody around us. So,
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Speaker 2: so did you take a step back, did you leave
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Speaker 2: that job and decided that you were going to create
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Speaker 2: something that was yours?
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Speaker 3: Well, I did ultimately leave that job. But the important
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Speaker 3: part of the story from there is that I, you know,
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Speaker 3: my brain was kind of felt like a mess. It
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Speaker 3: felt really crowded, like I couldn't get out of my head.
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Speaker 3: And so I decided to start a meditation path. I really,
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Speaker 3: you know, decided to go inward. And that was you know,
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Speaker 3: just feeling like I needed to get out of it.
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Speaker 3: Just is what felt like it made. There was just
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Speaker 3: a lot of chaos in my mind and my brain.
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Speaker 3: And I knew from being on the spiritual journey that
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Speaker 3: meditation was a good thing. And I had tried meditation
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Speaker 3: for many years, for actually like many times, since I
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Speaker 3: was even fourteen years old. I'd tried meditation, but I
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Speaker 3: couldn't make I just felt like I couldn't do it,
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Speaker 3: and I felt like it was hard and what's it
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Speaker 3: for and is it really working? And I went to
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Speaker 3: a retreat, a meditation retreat for a whole weekend, and
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Speaker 3: I was blown away by how hard that was. But
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Speaker 3: I also felt a profound sense of peace at the
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Speaker 3: end of that weekend, and I ended up going home
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Speaker 3: and starting to meditate. And I started working with a
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Speaker 3: piece of neurotechnology called the muse so headband that gives
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Speaker 3: you biofeedback when you meditate. I started practicing with that,
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Speaker 3: and then I met a meditation teacher and went into
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Speaker 3: a course that ultimately was really what changed my life,
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Speaker 3: this Raising our Vibration course, and we were in a
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Speaker 3: group for ten weeks and I started meditating deeply and
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Speaker 3: you know, like an hour, you know, a week with
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Speaker 3: these people and it started working number one, and it
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Speaker 3: like with the support of them and the guidance, I
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Speaker 3: really started to feel profoundly different beside me. And that
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Speaker 3: really once you start to feel a shift, that really
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Speaker 3: catalyzes a lot. Right. Ultimately, I ended up also starting
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Speaker 3: to work with plant medicine, and I worked with mayahuasca
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Speaker 3: and I worked with mom psilocybin, and the two really
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Speaker 3: led to this. You know, it was a many years journey,
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Speaker 3: but to kind of condense it, the realization that to
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Speaker 3: free myself, like the reason I call it if I
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Speaker 3: have a book coming out in January called Inner Rewilding
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Speaker 3: and that path of in order to save the planet
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Speaker 3: out there, it's really an inner path journey of course,
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Speaker 3: freeing ourselves. And what the plants taught me and what
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Speaker 3: the meditation path taught me so profoundly shifted my life
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Speaker 3: and my view you know, of you know, the things
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Speaker 3: you were saying in the introduction about you know, it's
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Speaker 3: like we have to go within and how you know,
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Speaker 3: everything's a mirror, So how we see the world within
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Speaker 3: is what we experience on the outside. And so I
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Speaker 3: had my own version of the experience and the recognition
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Speaker 3: of that, and all of that ended up totally shifting
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Speaker 3: the trajectory of my life. Where all I wanted to
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Speaker 3: do was actually help people. I realized it was the
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Speaker 3: people who needed helping. If we want to help the planet,
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Speaker 3: the planet will be fine. Not to minimize the beautiful
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Speaker 3: work that anybody in the realm are doing, but for me,
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Speaker 3: the recognition that I really wanted to help people feel
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Speaker 3: easy and know the joy within and know that joy
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Speaker 3: is right here even while you know it feels like
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Speaker 3: Rome is burning. It's actually on us to find and
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Speaker 3: reclaim the joy that is our birthright. And that's my work.
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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I started a meditation practice this past year and it
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Speaker 2: has profoundly changed me. I mean, I can't and I
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Speaker 2: always had the hardest time trying to meditate, and it
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Speaker 2: was because I was trying to do it the way
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Speaker 2: I thought it should be done instead of allowing myself
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Speaker 2: to do the way it worked for me. And mine
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Speaker 2: is more of like this inner journeying. I kind of
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Speaker 2: go on this journey and it's very much connected to
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Speaker 2: the trees and Mother Nature and these places that I
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Speaker 2: go in my mind and you know, maybe a little
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Speaker 2: astral travel, you know, right right, and it's and it's
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Speaker 2: just there's such a connection there and it is completely
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Speaker 2: like shifted my view of the world and in so
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Speaker 2: many ways. And I find it really interesting that I'm
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Speaker 2: meeting more and more people that are doing not exactly
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Speaker 2: the work that you're doing, but similar work that you're
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Speaker 2: doing that are reconnecting back to plant medicine, that are
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Speaker 2: rediscovering this connection to the earth and how that is
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Speaker 2: healing them, and then they are from that helping other
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Speaker 2: people go back to Mother Nature. And it's also interestingly enough,
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Speaker 2: in the astrology, because I don't know that much about astrology,
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Speaker 2: but I follow a lot of astrologers and I'm hearing
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Speaker 2: them talking about the same thing. So it's in our
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Speaker 2: astrology also. So I find that like really interesting that
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Speaker 2: we are going on this projection, and I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about what your inner rewilding is, like, what is
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Speaker 2: inner rewilding?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you for asking that, and I too,
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Speaker 3: you know, to acknowledge I feel that too. Where I
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Speaker 3: look around and there's so many people who are I think,
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Speaker 3: this great awakening that's happening in this time, it's really
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Speaker 3: a great reconnection. You know, we're discovering that. The I
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Speaker 3: think the greatest disease of our time is we could
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Speaker 3: put it one word, which is disconnection.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The reason that we do what we do, that we
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Speaker 3: see the world we see is because we fundamentally have
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Speaker 3: unplugged from source yea for how to connect a source.
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Speaker 3: We forgot how, and so we're plugging back in. We're reconnecting,
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Speaker 3: and that reconnection is bringing us back alive into a
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Speaker 3: relationship with Earth and with ourselves that I have had
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Speaker 3: lost And so fundamentally it's a it's a reconnection journey,
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Speaker 3: which is why plants are so beautiful because they're they're
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Speaker 3: in the frequency of connection, so they have they have
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Speaker 3: that built in and they're here too, you know, in
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Speaker 3: all the beautiful ways that they do. You know, psilocybin
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Speaker 3: and ayhuasca and I also work with sassafras. They they
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Speaker 3: they they bring us right back into this deepest knowing
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Speaker 3: of who we are and our divine selves and our connection,
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Speaker 3: inherent connection to two plants in the earth and all
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Speaker 3: the spirits. So super beautiful. But to answer your question
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Speaker 3: about inter rewilding, So the inner rewilding when I, after
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Speaker 3: all these big shifts occurred and I really wanted to
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Speaker 3: share that with the world, and I decided to write
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Speaker 3: a book, and and and I so inner rewilding came
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Speaker 3: through because I was in this process of how do
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Speaker 3: I articulate what had happened to me in a way
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Speaker 3: that other people could follow and understand. And through a
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Speaker 3: series of deep I almost want to call them, like
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Speaker 3: just almost channelings, like where I just space, this inner
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Speaker 3: rewilding came to me, and it came through these four pillars.
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Speaker 3: So the essence the book is a memoir and a
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Speaker 3: guide book. It's both. They tell their story in part one,
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Speaker 3: and then it's a guidebook in part two, and there's
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Speaker 3: really four. I love simple, I love to f I
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Speaker 3: love communicating simple, I always have. I love breaking things down.
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Speaker 3: And so for me these four pillars were the were
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Speaker 3: and to me the essence of the most important spiritual
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Speaker 3: teachings that shifted my life, and I put them on
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Speaker 3: a as a mode. They came through as a mandala,
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Speaker 3: so of directions like a compass. So in the east
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Speaker 3: we have an awaken peace. And this is the non
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Speaker 3: this is the essence of the non dual path. This
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Speaker 3: is understanding that our true nature is peace and happiness.
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Speaker 3: That's what we are. It's fundamental to who we are.
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Speaker 3: When we boil it down to the essence of the
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Speaker 3: essence of the essence of our being, we peace is
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Speaker 3: our true nature. And that's what the Tibetans have been
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Speaker 3: saying for millennia. That's what they know and and that
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Speaker 3: is a comfort because it's peace and happiness isn't something
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Speaker 3: we have to try to get. It's what we are.
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Speaker 3: And so we can invite people back to this is
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Speaker 3: your true nature, it's what you are. Then we can
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Speaker 3: let go of the striving. And that's I was a
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Speaker 3: I'm a consummate striver. I'm like a straight a student.
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Speaker 3: I yeah that kind of.
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Speaker 2: Co driver.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a curious right following directions. And I
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Speaker 3: was great good at that, And so I was used
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Speaker 3: to trying for everything I did, and I thought that
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Speaker 3: I had to findiness, I had to create happiness, and
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Speaker 3: this is no. Actually, your true nature is happiness and peace.
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Speaker 3: So that's the first pillar. Uh. The second pillar is
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Speaker 3: a tune to the living universe. So we have awakened
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Speaker 3: and then a tune. And that's really if we think
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Speaker 3: of the piece of our true nature as like the consciousness,
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Speaker 3: the Shiva, the all, then then a tune to the
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Speaker 3: living universe is pointing to the Shakti, the alive, animate universe.
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Speaker 3: That is the energetic universe that is here. That is everything.
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Speaker 3: You know, everything is energy, and there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: healing that we can do through that energetic understanding. So
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Speaker 3: I work with energy. I work with tuning forks and
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Speaker 3: support people through a lot of sound and frequency is
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Speaker 3: a core part of what we do.
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Speaker 2: I love frequency. I listen to frequency music all the time.
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Speaker 2: I have it in the background playing every day, just
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Speaker 2: I listened to it at night. I listen to it
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Speaker 2: when I meditate. I love the frequency sounds. I feel
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Speaker 2: like it's magic right, it just gets me right there.
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Speaker 2: And if I and even if you can search things,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure you offer, but like let's say you
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Speaker 2: feel like, you know you have a stomachache, you can
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Speaker 2: do frequency for stomach pain and just put it on
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Speaker 2: in the background and let it play, and it's working
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Speaker 2: without you even realizing it's working. So true.
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Speaker 3: So I work with frequency in all kinds of ways
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Speaker 3: with different devices and light frequency and sound frequency. And
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Speaker 3: I also had a health healing health journey, so I
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Speaker 3: had a mold poisoning. So in the midst of the
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Speaker 3: breakdown and the despair and all of that, I also
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Speaker 3: had mold poisoning and sound and frequency were elemental to
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Speaker 3: my healing and discovered just like you're saying that there
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Speaker 3: there's a frequency for everything. I didn't know that. And
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Speaker 3: you know, Albert Einstein was the one who said future
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Speaker 3: medicine will be the medicine of frequencies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's wild, right. I know a woman
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Speaker 2: who from your voice, and I would love to have
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Speaker 2: her on the show, but I don't think I could
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Speaker 2: rain her in because when I have a conversation with her,
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Speaker 2: she's like all over, she's like sign, she's like it's
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Speaker 2: all over the place. But just from a sample of
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Speaker 2: your voice, she can tell you what's going on where
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Speaker 2: your mineral, what minerals are lacking in your body, and
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Speaker 2: you know from your voice, like if you have mold
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Speaker 2: in your system, like that would come up in your
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Speaker 2: voice when you were going through the mold poisoning. That
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Speaker 2: made me think of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, Yeah, so yeah, there are people who do
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Speaker 3: voice analysis. There's all kinds of different ways that we
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Speaker 3: can look at the energetic body from a frequency point
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Speaker 3: of view. I work with this amazing woman Carolyn McMackin,
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Speaker 3: who works with two channel frequency devices, wrote this book
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Speaker 3: called The Resonance Effect, and she heals literally with just
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Speaker 3: you know, microcurrent frequency. And you know, like I work
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Speaker 3: with this little another little device like this, it's you know,
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Speaker 3: the healing. It's all micro current frequency which I've running
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Speaker 3: right now. That's incredibly supportive, you know healing. It's bringing
22:12
Speaker 3: healing so that that whole you know, sort of frequency
22:19
Speaker 3: based healing is contained in this attune to the living universe.
22:24
Speaker 3: And then allow is the third pillar. So awaken a
22:28
Speaker 3: tune and allow. And this is really the great part
22:31
Speaker 3: of the surrender path of spiritual teachings, where you know,
22:36
Speaker 3: when we drop the egoic mind and allow life to
22:40
Speaker 3: flow through us, this is where the magic really happens.
22:43
Speaker 3: It's where, right, I mean, as your postcards to the universe.
22:46
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know this is where the seeds of
22:49
Speaker 3: intuition come when we let go of the thinking mind
22:54
Speaker 3: and really bring online the and surrender to it and
22:58
Speaker 3: allow the creative elements and force of life to really
23:03
Speaker 3: flow through us, which we're not accessing if we are
23:07
Speaker 3: trying to control life. No.
23:10
Speaker 2: No, that's part of one of our biggest problems is
23:12
Speaker 2: we always you know, we never just allow it to
23:16
Speaker 2: happen in the divine timing that it needs to happen
23:19
Speaker 2: were we try to force it. And I always tell
23:22
Speaker 2: people when they're oh, I did this, and you know,
23:24
Speaker 2: I'm doing other work and I'm but all you're focusing
23:28
Speaker 2: is and the when and that how it's going to
23:30
Speaker 2: show up and what it needs to look like. And
23:32
Speaker 2: you're not in that allowing space. You're in that trying
23:35
Speaker 2: to control.
23:36
Speaker 3: Right right, It's like, you know, we got to pick
23:40
Speaker 3: our hands up all, you know, we have to let
23:45
Speaker 3: go of the string wheel and actually move from a
23:50
Speaker 3: place of control to a place of partnership with the universe.
23:54
Speaker 3: I'm sure very hard sacause.
23:58
Speaker 2: Well that's what I say, work co creating with the universe.
24:01
Speaker 2: We're co creating, right, I mean we people have a
24:05
Speaker 2: hard time understanding that the universe. God doesn't matter what
24:10
Speaker 2: you call it, doesn't matter, wants us to be happy,
24:14
Speaker 2: wants us to be love, and wants us to be joy.
24:17
Speaker 2: And people think I'm crazy when I say that, especially
24:21
Speaker 2: if they've gone through some terrible things, and you know, well,
24:24
Speaker 2: how can you know God allow that to happen? And
24:28
Speaker 2: the answer is so much bigger and deeper than that.
24:30
Speaker 2: It's not like that, and it's hard to explain when
24:34
Speaker 2: you're you know, for people to really grasp what we're
24:38
Speaker 2: talking about, right right.
24:40
Speaker 3: Right, you know, I'll tell a story that, you know,
24:43
Speaker 3: like just to go back to the mold a little bit.
24:45
Speaker 3: You know, when I was in the middle of this
24:47
Speaker 3: mold hell and it really felt like hell, I can imagine,
24:50
Speaker 3: you know, And ultimately I couldn't find it for months.
24:54
Speaker 3: You know, I was sick in my own house. I
24:56
Speaker 3: knew I had mold. It took me months to even
24:58
Speaker 3: figure out what I had was mold. When I did,
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Speaker 3: I was searching for it, I'd you know, leave my
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Speaker 3: house and I'd get better. Then I'd come home and
25:05
Speaker 3: I'd feel worse. I knew it was there, and we
25:09
Speaker 3: did ultimately find it in my bed, and that's a
25:11
Speaker 3: whole nother story, but wow, yeah, yeah it was. If
25:17
Speaker 3: you have a foam mattress and you you know, have
25:20
Speaker 3: one of those air mattresses, you know, take a look.
25:23
Speaker 3: Because I had years of condensation on that foam with
25:26
Speaker 3: a vinyl lining on top of that air mattress created
25:29
Speaker 3: the breeding grounds for mold and that's ultimately where I
25:33
Speaker 3: found it, and it was sewn into the mattress. I
25:35
Speaker 3: couldn't see it, so, you know, so I always like
25:40
Speaker 3: to kind of say, if you've got strange symptoms and
25:43
Speaker 3: you have a bed like that, you might check your
25:45
Speaker 3: bed because.
25:47
Speaker 2: To know if anybody listening, Yeah, everybody listening, so anyway,
25:51
Speaker 2: but it was hell, you know.
25:53
Speaker 3: And what's interesting though, is that, you know, a year later,
26:01
Speaker 3: after I had come through all of that, because of
26:06
Speaker 3: the well being that I felt coming out of that
26:08
Speaker 3: and because of all the shifts I made, I saw
26:11
Speaker 3: that the mold was an essential part of my whole
26:13
Speaker 3: journey and that the mold and all of this enabled
26:17
Speaker 3: me to leave my job and to chart this new
26:21
Speaker 3: path where you know, I couldn't I couldn't imagine doing
26:24
Speaker 3: anything else than what I'm doing. Now I see that
26:26
Speaker 3: it's exactly what I meant to be doing, right, and.
26:29
Speaker 2: So ably what happens right.
26:31
Speaker 3: So in a very strange way, I'm thankful to the mold. Yeah,
26:35
Speaker 3: I realized it had to be a part of my journey.
26:38
Speaker 3: Could I see that then? No, of course not.
26:40
Speaker 2: It felt like a living hell. No, yeah, it's crazy. Well,
26:44
Speaker 2: it's like it's like the birthing process of something new
26:47
Speaker 2: is bloody and painful, but it is the catalyst. It
26:51
Speaker 2: is the catalyst. So before because I want to talk
26:54
Speaker 2: so much more, but before we do, I want to
26:56
Speaker 2: take our break. Here, Let's take our break, and then
26:58
Speaker 2: we'll come back, and I have so much more to
27:00
Speaker 2: talk with you. Holly, all right, stay tuned, everybody. We'll
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Speaker 2: be back in just a couple of minutes. Well, I
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Speaker 2: think we will, Chris, Baby, we're not going to commercial.
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Speaker 2: Hi, Welcome. So the Holly Chris message me goes, I
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Speaker 2: push the button, but mercury retrograde. So we're in mercury
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Speaker 2: retrograde right now. And that's what all this funny it's
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Speaker 2: fun technical stuff happens. So we talked about the three pillars.
30:14
Speaker 2: You said there was four pillars in your book, So
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Speaker 2: I'll let you go continue.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the last after allow is align with your
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Speaker 3: wild heart right, and this is really I'm sure you're
30:27
Speaker 3: you and your listeners are very used to this. This
30:29
Speaker 3: is really where you come into you know, what is
30:32
Speaker 3: your resonance, what is your genius, what is your gift?
30:34
Speaker 3: What makes you feel? You know, what are you here
30:37
Speaker 3: to bring into the world and to come into resonance
30:40
Speaker 3: with that and align with that, because that's where we
30:43
Speaker 3: manifest our dreams, and that's come the real co creator.
30:47
Speaker 3: We let go and then we allow, and so then
30:51
Speaker 3: we align. We just you know, aligned deeply. And what
30:54
Speaker 3: I find is the universe rises to meet us and
30:56
Speaker 3: whatever to manifest.
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Speaker 2: Is that what you mean when you say coming home? Well,
31:03
Speaker 2: what do you mean when you say coming home to ourselves?
31:06
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
31:07
Speaker 3: Yeah? What that means for me is that, like all
31:10
Speaker 3: of these pillars, when we do that, when we you know,
31:13
Speaker 3: when we awaken a tune, allow, and align, we come
31:17
Speaker 3: back into our authentic version of who we really are.
31:22
Speaker 3: We're rewilded. We're letting go of the baggage and the
31:25
Speaker 3: stories and the judgments and the criticisms and all of
31:29
Speaker 3: the things that prevent us from being in that full
31:34
Speaker 3: alignment with our life's purpose. And also to feel really
31:43
Speaker 3: a sense of belonging, like we belong here as humans.
31:48
Speaker 3: This is something else that I know as a conservationist,
31:52
Speaker 3: I really felt like kind of a parasite on the
31:55
Speaker 3: earth as a human being. You know, I.
31:58
Speaker 2: Felt, I understand what you mean by that.
32:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, like kind of shitty to be honest about being
32:03
Speaker 3: a human being with everything that you know humans are
32:06
Speaker 3: doing to the planet. And and I can say I
32:10
Speaker 3: believe and have experience that there's a there's a spiritual
32:16
Speaker 3: message out there that's kind of about like transcendence, like
32:19
Speaker 3: we need to transcend this human human form into some
32:23
Speaker 3: like angelic version. And I think that there's I don't
32:28
Speaker 3: I don't really subscribe to that. To be honest, for me,
32:31
Speaker 3: I think we're waking down. I like to call it
32:34
Speaker 3: not but waking down. We're coming into our humanness and
32:40
Speaker 3: into feeling like radical belonging here on earth. That not
32:45
Speaker 3: like I need to feel bad and sorry for being being,
32:49
Speaker 3: but I actually reclaim my my humanity and that I'm here.
32:55
Speaker 3: I'm a being of good. I'm here to do good.
32:58
Speaker 3: We all are, and we're here to live in enjoy
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Speaker 3: and co creation with Source. And so it's a it's
33:06
Speaker 3: a real stepping into That's what I mean by coming home,
33:10
Speaker 3: like to me, homecoming when we're home we're safe, we
33:14
Speaker 3: are we feel included, we feel welcome, We feel like
33:18
Speaker 3: you come join the tribe. And you know, it's what
33:22
Speaker 3: indigenous cultures have been practicing for millennia, you know, that
33:27
Speaker 3: really sense of belonging and you know, rejoining the kind
33:34
Speaker 3: of uh rejoining our brothers and sisters across the planet
33:41
Speaker 3: in a shared humanity. That's what I mean.
33:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you your opinion. So what do
33:48
Speaker 2: you think happened? Like if you look at ancient civilizations
33:52
Speaker 2: who are so much more connected to the earth and
33:56
Speaker 2: so much more respectful of the earth and other tribes
34:02
Speaker 2: maybe and other you know, and the medicines that we
34:05
Speaker 2: got from the earth, and then and you know, and
34:09
Speaker 2: women as medicine women and our knowledge and our wisdom.
34:13
Speaker 2: And then there was something that came in right that
34:17
Speaker 2: changed this story that we've been living now for a
34:21
Speaker 2: long time. And I believe we're going we're now the
34:25
Speaker 2: you know, the pendulum is swinging the other way. But
34:29
Speaker 2: what do you think that was? Do you think there
34:31
Speaker 2: was that few that saw it was so ego and
34:36
Speaker 2: power base that just saw that there was an opportunity
34:40
Speaker 2: to take advantage and they did.
34:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a good question, I And it's one
34:46
Speaker 3: I've reflected on a lot, so I appreciate you asking
34:48
Speaker 3: because such a deep question of like this kind of
34:51
Speaker 3: how did we get here?
34:52
Speaker 2: Right?
34:53
Speaker 3: What happened? Right? And I think we have to go
34:58
Speaker 3: back way back.
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Speaker 6: We could go back to, you know, around the time,
35:04
Speaker 6: you know, christ, We can go back to the Council
35:06
Speaker 6: of back to you know, this place where you know,
35:11
Speaker 6: the patriarchy kind of started and.
35:15
Speaker 3: Started to not honor the mother because ultimately this there's
35:20
Speaker 3: a masculine feminine balance that is law of the universe.
35:25
Speaker 3: And when we talk about disconnection, what are we really
35:29
Speaker 3: talking about. I think we're actually talking about disconnection from mother, yeah, right,
35:35
Speaker 3: and not honoring the mother, you know, mother earth right mother?
35:41
Speaker 3: And you know, and I and and I'm going to
35:43
Speaker 3: say that, and I'm going to say that I feel
35:45
Speaker 3: very deeply that this is a shared between I'm not
35:48
Speaker 3: a male but basher at all.
35:50
Speaker 6: I really believe that we both sexist ultimately played a
35:55
Speaker 6: role in this.
35:57
Speaker 3: Now as mothers, we did not honor our sons or
36:01
Speaker 3: didn't somehow didn't nurture that relationship, and so there was
36:07
Speaker 3: this rift between you know, I'm not exactly sure I
36:10
Speaker 3: can tell you exactly how it happened. But this feminine
36:13
Speaker 3: masculine balance became you know, out of whack, and there
36:18
Speaker 3: was right and there was a shift to the masculine
36:23
Speaker 3: disrespecting of the feminine, of the honoring of the mother
36:27
Speaker 3: is actually the way I would put it, and we
36:31
Speaker 3: are fundamentally, I think, walking back to a place where
36:36
Speaker 3: the two are in balance. I think that's what this
36:39
Speaker 3: great away. It's not a feminine movement. It's rebalancing where
36:45
Speaker 3: masculine and feminine are are both you know in Yin
36:49
Speaker 3: and Yang, they're both in balance. And we're resurrecting the
36:54
Speaker 3: the mother figure and the mother honoring in all in
37:00
Speaker 3: all aspects of society, which is actually internally if we
37:06
Speaker 3: now look internally, it's coming back to receiving. Right, If
37:11
Speaker 3: we think about what's happening internally, there's a there's a
37:15
Speaker 3: you know, there's an out, there's a way we're manifesting.
37:19
Speaker 3: But then at the same time we have to receive,
37:21
Speaker 3: and it's learning how to receive as much as we give.
37:26
Speaker 3: So it's making that our giving and receiving AINI is
37:30
Speaker 3: what it's called. In one of the shamanic studies in Peru.
37:34
Speaker 3: It's knowing that that giving and receiving are always in
37:37
Speaker 3: balance in as a law in the universe, and learning
37:40
Speaker 3: to feel that for ourselves. How can we So this
37:43
Speaker 3: is a question for everyone is to look at, where
37:46
Speaker 3: am I not actually allowing myself to receive the gifts?
37:53
Speaker 3: You know, receive the love from people around me, receive
37:57
Speaker 3: my own love. Because when we feel and are in
38:00
Speaker 3: touch with that, then then we're resourced. We're actually we're
38:05
Speaker 3: reconnected with source and we've were plugged back into the
38:10
Speaker 3: thing that is always giving, right. Mother Earth is constantly giving, constantly,
38:16
Speaker 3: you know, as one of my mentors likes to say,
38:18
Speaker 3: the ocean refuses, no rivers, like she is just constantly
38:23
Speaker 3: accepting everything. And yet we have forgotten how to receive.
38:31
Speaker 3: We have forgotten how to lean back and really take
38:36
Speaker 3: in the gifts of the universe. We fundamentally we say
38:41
Speaker 3: no in life.
38:42
Speaker 2: Wait, so that's interesting. We do we do? If you
38:48
Speaker 2: think about it like that?
38:50
Speaker 4: Right?
38:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that bring up for you?
38:51
Speaker 2: I'm curious, like, well, you said something early in the show,
38:57
Speaker 2: and you said that we we have disconnected right from
39:03
Speaker 2: nature and Mother Earth and the Earth, And I thought,
39:07
Speaker 2: isn't it interesting how we have created so much technology
39:13
Speaker 2: so that we can connect to anybody anywhere in the
39:15
Speaker 2: whole world, and we feel more disconnected than we've ever
39:19
Speaker 2: felt before. And what is that saying, right? What is
39:24
Speaker 2: that saying? And is it like we needed that these
39:30
Speaker 2: devices to be created and the Internet to be created
39:35
Speaker 2: to accelerate the disconnect to make us to force the
39:41
Speaker 2: pendulum to swing back to connection to the earth. Does
39:46
Speaker 2: that make sense? Yes, you're kind of know what I mean?
39:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think that's I think that's a
39:52
Speaker 3: very astute observation that we have. This is like AI
39:56
Speaker 3: is like taking it to the extreme and the devices, right,
40:01
Speaker 3: and they're causing us to to really look deeply at
40:06
Speaker 3: what is real and what is real connection actually about. Yeah,
40:12
Speaker 3: and I'm telling you it's not in It's not has
40:15
Speaker 3: nothing to do with computers or AI or anything. If
40:19
Speaker 3: if AI and computers can help people connect like you
40:22
Speaker 3: and me right now, those listening, you know, then that
40:25
Speaker 3: is then that's real. But it's in where it's in
40:30
Speaker 3: service of you know, humans connecting. Then I'm grateful and
40:36
Speaker 3: I am grateful for all of the ways that digital
40:39
Speaker 3: things connect me to.
40:41
Speaker 2: Me too, all the me too, Me too, right, But
40:45
Speaker 2: but you the where people go is there's so people
40:49
Speaker 2: go to that's all they're connected to, and then they
40:52
Speaker 2: lose connection to other people or you know, being outside
40:57
Speaker 2: in nature connecting with the plants and connect with the trees.
41:01
Speaker 2: And and I love you know when I read those
41:06
Speaker 2: those stories about people who have done the experiments with
41:10
Speaker 2: with the plants. When you talk lovingly to one plant
41:14
Speaker 2: and how it thrives, and then you know the other
41:17
Speaker 2: plant is your talk to in terrible ways, which kind
41:21
Speaker 2: of breaks my heart that the poor plant has to
41:24
Speaker 2: like be a part of the experiment, you know, and
41:27
Speaker 2: it's just withering away. And it just shows you how
41:30
Speaker 2: much everything is frequency and how water, the molecular of
41:38
Speaker 2: water changes when it's being brought given loving energy then
41:44
Speaker 2: to when it's given chaos and toxicity, and it's and
41:48
Speaker 2: and how that if you think about that, like what
41:52
Speaker 2: that really means. It's mind blowing.
41:56
Speaker 3: Yet it is. And I'm glad you said the word
41:59
Speaker 3: mind blowing because I I think our mind can't. It's
42:01
Speaker 3: actually what you're saying is our mind can't grasp our
42:05
Speaker 3: mind has no frame of reference to understand that this
42:11
Speaker 3: universe is actually alive, it's holographic, it's speaking to us
42:15
Speaker 3: in every moment. And I really oriented towards both an
42:18
Speaker 3: animus perspective now and one of understanding that everything is consciousness,
42:24
Speaker 3: that we're not you know. And I love when to
42:27
Speaker 3: mentor Rupert Spiro use this analogy, and I think it's
42:30
Speaker 3: very app so I'll share it with you now. Like
42:32
Speaker 3: first we thought the world was flat, you know, and
42:34
Speaker 3: then we discovered that it was not, it was round.
42:38
Speaker 3: And then we thought the Earth went around the Sun,
42:40
Speaker 3: or the Sun ran around the Earth instead of the
42:42
Speaker 3: other way around. We discovered no, the Earth goes around
42:44
Speaker 3: the sun. The next leap, the next paradigm shift, is
42:48
Speaker 3: to understand that we are not brains with consciousness that
42:51
Speaker 3: disappear when we die, but actually everything is consciousness. There's
42:56
Speaker 3: no separation between you or me or anybody that's listening.
43:01
Speaker 3: And when we understand that fundamentally, which our mind can't grasp,
43:08
Speaker 3: but our heart knows that everything is connected. And most
43:13
Speaker 3: of my work, one big aspect of my work is
43:16
Speaker 3: to do meditative guidance that guides people into this their
43:19
Speaker 3: own understanding of our shared being, that we have a
43:23
Speaker 3: shared consciousness, all of us right, and that recognition that
43:30
Speaker 3: consciousness isn't something we have, it's what we are, and that,
43:35
Speaker 3: like you're saying, that means that water and plants and
43:38
Speaker 3: everything is there's no place where consciousness ends and I begin.
43:45
Speaker 3: Is the next great awakening and that from that, that understanding,
43:51
Speaker 3: that recognition that we're connected, is the reconnection back with
43:57
Speaker 3: the all that is and the solution of this feeling
44:01
Speaker 3: in this sense of a separate me who is fundamentally
44:05
Speaker 3: you know, needs to operate in a separate sense of
44:08
Speaker 3: self around the world, and that when you take a shit,
44:12
Speaker 3: when you recognize that we have a shared being, then
44:15
Speaker 3: that you know, and this has come to me so
44:17
Speaker 3: many times in plant medicine journeys, like I am you
44:21
Speaker 3: and you are me. And if I really take that
44:24
Speaker 3: to the deepest level, then I just want to exude
44:29
Speaker 3: kindness on every human being because I'm talking to myself,
44:34
Speaker 3: you know. Why would I dump all over myself?
44:36
Speaker 4: You know?
44:37
Speaker 3: And so it fundamentally changes your interaction with the world
44:40
Speaker 3: when you come into a relationship of understanding that just
44:44
Speaker 3: like you said at the very beginning, what you put
44:47
Speaker 3: out you get back universus here because why because we
44:52
Speaker 3: have one shared being.
44:54
Speaker 2: Right, and that's why learning to love yourself is so important,
45:00
Speaker 2: you know. And we're not talking about it. And I'll
45:02
Speaker 2: let you describe what you mean by how we can
45:05
Speaker 2: fall back in love with ourselves. And it's not in
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Speaker 2: the Hollywood way that we're shown. It's not walking the
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Speaker 2: red carpet, you know, getting your hair done, wearing million
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Speaker 2: dollar jewels. It is a whole different kind that is
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Speaker 2: all ego centric. We're talking about really falling in love
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Speaker 2: with yourself because if we are all one, think about
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Speaker 2: if everybody learned how to fall in love with themselves,
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Speaker 2: what that would look like. So I'll let you talk
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Speaker 2: about how you help people fall back in love with themselves.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I help people fall back in love
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Speaker 3: with themselves by first recognizing this subject object duality, so
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Speaker 3: feeling and sensing, you know, making people from this sense
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Speaker 3: of an egoic self behind the eyes. And so anybody
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Speaker 3: that's listening right now, just notice where you're aware, from
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Speaker 3: where you're listening from. And for most people, yeah, there's
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Speaker 3: a sense of a little mini me and here doing
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Speaker 3: my life. And what I like to do is ask
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Speaker 3: you to take that elevator down from that space and
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Speaker 3: let it float down so that you become aware from
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Speaker 3: your heart space, so you actually feel and know your
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Speaker 3: center of being, not from here up behind the eyes,
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Speaker 3: but located you know, down For those listening, I've got
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Speaker 3: my hands over my heart and so just feel and
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Speaker 3: sense what does your heart feel like when you bring
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Speaker 3: your center of awareness down and then from there just
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Speaker 3: starting to cultivate an ability to shift your view and
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Speaker 3: your sense of being to feeling and knowing yourself from
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Speaker 3: within directly without And what I mean here is you
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Speaker 3: don't need to think about your heart to know your heart.
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Speaker 3: We're taught in westerns. Western minds don't aren't taught this.
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Speaker 3: Everything we're taught is a kind of critical thinking kind
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Speaker 3: of way in the world from labeling. I'm not talking
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Speaker 3: about that. I'm talking about shifting to feeling and knowing
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Speaker 3: your center of being from inside without thought. Right, Just
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Speaker 3: like I can ask you to be aware of your heart,
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Speaker 3: you don't need to think about it to be aware
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Speaker 3: of your heart right right. And so what you start
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Speaker 3: to and the reason I'm pointing you to this, like, Holly,
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Speaker 3: what does this have to do with self love? Well,
47:41
Speaker 3: because we tend to have a mental idea of what
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Speaker 3: love even is. We tend to think that we need
47:48
Speaker 3: to think about something in order to love it, right, right,
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Speaker 3: But I tell you, you know, do you love your
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Speaker 3: daughter or your son or your mother father? You don't
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Speaker 3: need to like create a thought to know that you
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Speaker 3: love them? Correct?
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Speaker 2: Right? Correct? Correct?
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Speaker 3: Right? I have two daughters. Right. If you say, Allie,
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Speaker 3: do you love your daughters? It's immediate, yeah, And it's
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Speaker 3: not a thought. I don't have to like, hmm, do.
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Speaker 2: I love right?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel it right away, right in your heart? Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's like that. What I'm pointing to is like that
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Speaker 3: there's an immediate knowing and it's not from a thought,
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Speaker 3: it's from my heart. Right.
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Speaker 4: Okay, So take that.
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Speaker 3: Idea, and now we translate that into ourself. What we
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Speaker 3: tend to do with ourselves is we tend to pile
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Speaker 3: on a lot of thoughts like right, like I'm too fat,
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Speaker 3: I'm too probably, I'm not good enough, I'm for me.
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Speaker 3: It was not good enough, that was the idea, Right,
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Speaker 3: We have these judgments, right, So when we start to
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Speaker 3: see that those are all thoughts, they're not actually the
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Speaker 3: essence of who we are, and we can break that apart.
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Speaker 3: We can actually cultivate the same sense of love and
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Speaker 3: knowing of our self as we would for our child
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Speaker 3: or you know, whatever name, whatever family of our repet
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Speaker 3: is dearest and closest to you. Yeah, right, So you
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Speaker 3: should have that same sense of like, oh yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that closeness and that intimacy with our self that doesn't
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Speaker 3: need to think about it in order to be. And
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Speaker 3: so it's cultivating and understanding that and starting to recognize
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Speaker 3: that that's actually at the center of that's what self
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Speaker 3: love really is. It's removing this distance that we have
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Speaker 3: for our knowing of who we are that's created from
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Speaker 3: a series of stories and thoughts that we've been piled
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Speaker 3: on that are you know, whatever our mother told us,
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Speaker 3: our father told us, things that happened to.
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Speaker 2: Us, that society tells us, right everything. It's interesting because
49:55
Speaker 2: I say something similar because I talk a lot about
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Speaker 2: doing mirror work about self love, and I said, talk
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Speaker 2: to yourself the way you talk to you would talk
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Speaker 2: to your child, a baby, like I don't have children.
50:08
Speaker 2: I have a niece and a nephew, and I use
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Speaker 2: them a lot, especially my niece. My nephew he's on
50:16
Speaker 2: the spectrum, but especially my niece as I'm watching her
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Speaker 2: develop and I'm seeing she's a teenager and how now
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Speaker 2: she's being self critical where she never was when she
50:24
Speaker 2: was little. But you know, like I, would I ever
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Speaker 2: say the things to her that I will have said
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Speaker 2: to myself in the past, not in a million years, Right,
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Speaker 2: Like your cat that you may just love your cat
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Speaker 2: so much, would you ever be cruel to your pet?
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Speaker 2: Your cat? Never? But what do we do to ourselves? Terrible?
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Speaker 3: So?
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Speaker 2: And when you put it in that perspective, you can
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Speaker 2: kind of go, oh, you know what, I get that,
50:54
Speaker 2: I see now what I'm doing here. Right, Talk to
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Speaker 2: yourself the way you talk to who your beloved, whoever
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Speaker 2: your beloved.
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Speaker 3: Is, right exactly, and start to really, you know, cultivate
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Speaker 3: that that Yeah, the word I want to use, intimacy.
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Speaker 3: Cultivate that kind of sweetness and compassion and intimacy for yourself.
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Speaker 3: And that can be very vulnerable and hard to do
51:21
Speaker 3: because we're not used to doing that, where there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of self loathing and shaming and guilting. And what
51:29
Speaker 3: those are is there messages we acquired from other people. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: they're not you know, they're not inherent to who we are. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and so it's a process. I mean, I had all
51:42
Speaker 3: of those things.
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Speaker 2: I of course, it's a daily process, right, right, we
51:48
Speaker 2: have to unlearn a lot of things. It is a lot, right,
51:52
Speaker 2: there's a lot of peeling, I mean, And Holly, I
51:55
Speaker 2: want to I want to ask because I want to
51:57
Speaker 2: give you enough time to talk about when you work
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Speaker 2: with somebody, what does it look like when somebody says,
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Speaker 2: I really I need this in my life, I am
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Speaker 2: feeling so disconnected. What does it look like for somebody
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Speaker 2: to work with you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we work together for three to four months
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Speaker 3: in a you know, container of about ten sessions as
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Speaker 3: we're usually where I start, and we do a series
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Speaker 3: of kind of you know, I'm just really feeling deeply
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Speaker 3: into where they're at. And there's a lot of intuitive
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Speaker 3: I tune in deeply intuitively through questioning to feel kind
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Speaker 3: of where their challenge is, where their stories are. And
52:34
Speaker 3: then and then you know, it's a it's a very
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Speaker 3: personal thing. No one session looks the same, but pointing
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Speaker 3: them back to their true nature and so and creating
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Speaker 3: basically a meditation plan for them, a daily practice plan
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Speaker 3: for them that enables and supports them to reinforce who
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Speaker 3: they truly are and let go of all the stories,
52:58
Speaker 3: and then I integrate a lot of tune in fork
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Speaker 3: work to also you know, free up I mean basically
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Speaker 3: energetic blockages form of dissonance, and so I work with
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Speaker 3: that and I do breath work and then sometimes plant
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Speaker 3: medicine journeys with them also if that's something that they want,
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Speaker 3: So it's a combination. I work with people all over
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Speaker 3: the world, So yeah, it's I absolutely love my one
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Speaker 3: un quote one clients and really supporting people at a
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Speaker 3: very intimate personal level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine it must
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Speaker 2: be very, very satisfying, and people who who are dealing
53:39
Speaker 2: with deep trauma, I imagine this kind of work is
53:42
Speaker 2: very healing, you know, because I am a believer that
53:49
Speaker 2: trauma stores in our body very deeply, and we don't
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Speaker 2: even aware that it's stores and we might not be
53:56
Speaker 2: aware of it for generate you know, decades before it
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Speaker 2: starts to come back up. So yeah, I can imagine
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Speaker 2: this is this.
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Speaker 3: Is really healing for that m Yeah, it really is,
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Speaker 3: And yes, I agree with you. I do a lot
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Speaker 3: of somatic work, somatic releasing feeling where those traumas are
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Speaker 3: stored using the tuning forks, using other shamanic tools and
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Speaker 3: sound healing tools to really free you know, find those
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Speaker 3: sticky patterns that have been locked in place and you know,
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Speaker 3: bring them to light and release them. It's really magical
54:29
Speaker 3: kind of work together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it. Do you do any group
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Speaker 2: kind of work too? I know this is that sounds
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Speaker 2: very personal, but do you do group group work together?
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Speaker 2: I'm on groups.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on Insight Timer, and so I do a
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Speaker 3: weekly live show and we have I have a group
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Speaker 3: that shows up there every week. And I also do
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Speaker 3: group medicine ceremonies. So people will hire me to come
54:52
Speaker 3: and they can bring a group of friends and uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, lead a weekend retreat together and those are
54:59
Speaker 3: superpower full. If anybody's interested in that, you can reach
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Speaker 3: out to me. It's that's really right now. That's actually
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Speaker 3: my favorite work to do is to I travel around
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Speaker 3: the country, you know, and I could even travel around
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Speaker 3: the country basically hosting groups and small retreats privately.
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Speaker 2: Wow, And so people will do the plant medicine and
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Speaker 2: then they'll have and then they have you there to
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Speaker 2: help guide them, because I imagine some things really must
55:25
Speaker 2: probably come up right.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, but deep work, and it's very
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Speaker 3: beautiful work. I was just out one this past weekend
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Speaker 3: and the healing that went on and the shifts were
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Speaker 3: it's like my most it's my most satisfying work right now.
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Speaker 3: So that's what I'm really leaning into.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's how we change the world, right yeah, yeah,
55:47
Speaker 2: and then falling back in love with ourselves and then
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Speaker 2: really falling back in love.
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Speaker 3: With the world. And that's my message. You know, we're
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Speaker 3: here to fall in love with the world, not a
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Speaker 3: world twenty years from now or ten years from now,
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Speaker 3: but right now.
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Speaker 2: Well that's beautiful Holly, and you can find out find
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Speaker 2: her at Hollycopeland dot coo and the link will be
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Speaker 2: on the description so people can connect with you. Thank
56:10
Speaker 2: you so so much for being with me. This was
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Speaker 2: just beautiful. I really enjoyed talking to you all right, everyone,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to Postcards to the
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Speaker 2: Universe with Melissa creating the life you crave. And I'm
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Speaker 2: wishing everyone a wonderful week filled with joy, abundance and love.
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Speaker 3: Peace,