Latest / The Breakfast Club / The Green Flags of Cheating Feat. Marcus Black
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Once upon a time there was a good old traditional housewife.
- 0:03Speaker 2: She couldn't.
- 0:04Speaker 1: She cleaned and cared for her children and the man
- 0:06Speaker 1: of the house, and of course she didn't talk back.
- 0:09Speaker 2: She was both obedient and.
- 0:11Speaker 3: Soft by nature.
- 0:12Speaker 2: She was a good woman who always made good choices.
- 0:17Speaker 4: We're good Mom's bad choices.
- 0:18Speaker 5: You's single mom who said fuck the patriarchy, shared all
- 0:21Speaker 5: their bad choices and.
- 0:22Speaker 4: Found out they were so bad after all.
- 0:24Speaker 5: We're experts, overshares and your new besties.
- 0:26Speaker 4: Sit back and enjoy the ride.
- 0:28Speaker 3: I can.
- 0:32Speaker 5: Welcome back to good Mom's bad choices. I'm Erica and
- 0:35Speaker 5: I'm Nila.
- 0:36Speaker 4: Happy hump Day, bitches, Happy.
- 0:38Speaker 5: Motherfucking hump Day. It's another wonderful week of good moms,
- 0:44Speaker 5: bad motherfucking choices, and happy Valentine's Day. Yes, it's the
- 0:49Speaker 5: week of Valentine's Day. And if you are not celebrating love,
- 0:53Speaker 5: celebrate love, bitches.
- 0:54Speaker 4: All we got even if you're single. Celebrate the love
- 0:56Speaker 4: of self.
- 0:57Speaker 5: Celebrate the love that's coming. Yeah, celebrate the love of family.
- 1:01Speaker 5: Celebrate the love of girlfriends. More love, more love, more love.
- 1:04Speaker 6: We're in the student. I called Melave this morning. I
- 1:06Speaker 6: was like, bitch, we're pink, and I was.
- 1:10Speaker 5: Like, okay, because I already have an outfit right here.
- 1:11Speaker 5: I'm looking at it, but okay, I got it. So
- 1:16Speaker 5: here are my pink my pink pants, my pink my
- 1:20Speaker 5: professional pink pants. I feel like Oprah.
- 1:22Speaker 6: You look beautiful, gorgeous, very soft and feminine, lovely.
- 1:30Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:30Speaker 6: We have a special guest today, and I'm really excited
- 1:33Speaker 6: because we're gonna get straight into it.
- 1:35Speaker 4: This is a former guest, but it's been.
- 1:36Speaker 6: A few years since this gentleman has joined us on
- 1:40Speaker 6: in the Girl Cave, the Woman Cave, the wild woman Cave.
- 1:43Speaker 5: This is first time here at this wild woman Cave.
- 1:45Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because before I was at the other at
- 1:46Speaker 4: the other spot.
- 1:48Speaker 6: I'm very excited to welcome to the show none other
- 1:51Speaker 6: than relationship coach, author, writer, producer mister Marcus Black.
- 1:59Speaker 5: Hey, welcome back.
- 2:01Speaker 2: So what did you call this the what kind of case?
- 2:03Speaker 5: Wild woman case?
- 2:06Speaker 2: I'm built for it, though you ready you made it
- 2:09Speaker 2: out before.
- 2:09Speaker 1: Yeah, I got four sisters, two daughter's wife, ex wife.
- 2:15Speaker 5: You've been married twice, you've been initiated. I have a
- 2:19Speaker 5: question when you because you know when you ask what
- 2:21Speaker 5: is that does the word the term wild woman like
- 2:24Speaker 5: make you feel a way. I feel like sometimes men
- 2:26Speaker 5: get turned off by the term wild woman.
- 2:28Speaker 1: I don't it, don't it, don't it, don't budge me. Okay,
- 2:32Speaker 1: you know I think wild.
- 2:34Speaker 2: As in.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Uncontrolled by men, right, so sounds fair.
- 2:42Speaker 5: Never put it that way, but I like that control.
- 2:45Speaker 6: And you know, I mean there's more legs, so that
- 2:46Speaker 6: it's not all about we're not we're not centering men
- 2:48Speaker 6: in our wildness, right, Like, there's other aspects to our wildness.
- 2:51Speaker 2: What makes you guys wild?
- 2:53Speaker 5: I like to think of myself as wild in the
- 2:55Speaker 5: sense of like fairal not like incubated. When I think
- 3:02Speaker 5: of the opposite of wild, people like why wild, I'm like,
- 3:05Speaker 5: why not like free? I think a free primal.
- 3:09Speaker 2: So not controlled?
- 3:10Speaker 5: Yeah, not in the zoo.
- 3:12Speaker 2: What's it? What's your what's your idea.
- 3:14Speaker 6: Of I think for me, it's just someone that's like
- 3:17Speaker 6: authentically themselves no matter what, no matter where what room
- 3:20Speaker 6: you enter, whether you know you're in the presence of
- 3:23Speaker 6: uh a politician or you're in a presence in the
- 3:25Speaker 6: presence of a child, like you are who you are
- 3:27Speaker 6: all the time, through and through. There's nothing that tames
- 3:30Speaker 6: the spirit of who you are and.
- 3:31Speaker 5: There's no control, like, there's no there's You're not you're
- 3:34Speaker 5: not trying to abide by this invisible outline of what
- 3:39Speaker 5: a lady is supposed to be or how you're supposed
- 3:42Speaker 5: to be. It's rather to your own, your own standard
- 3:45Speaker 5: of living.
- 3:46Speaker 1: So you like that I said control, You just don't
- 3:48Speaker 1: like the by men because you like, like men have
- 3:51Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, like they're so far out.
- 3:54Speaker 2: Well, I think that.
- 3:54Speaker 4: There's probably an element to that, and I think that there's.
- 3:56Speaker 6: Like I think that me and Mila have you in
- 4:00Speaker 6: our wildness over the years, right, because I think that
- 4:03Speaker 6: there's definitely Obviously Mila is a wife, right, so she
- 4:06Speaker 6: in in in many spaces and in her life. I've
- 4:12Speaker 6: seen her submit to Orlando. So it's not about like
- 4:15Speaker 6: not being controlled. I think that word, I mean, it's
- 4:18Speaker 6: it's the word is layered, right, So I think that
- 4:21Speaker 6: it's not I don't think that as women who are wild,
- 4:23Speaker 6: it's there's not a lack of submissiveness that we can
- 4:27Speaker 6: possess in partnership with man. It's also like who is
- 4:31Speaker 6: the man that's leading us? So I don't mind submitting.
- 4:33Speaker 7: To a man.
- 4:34Speaker 4: I don't mind I love it please, for the love
- 4:36Speaker 4: of God.
- 4:38Speaker 2: Submitting I do.
- 4:39Speaker 5: I'm very right, man.
- 4:40Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I feel like in this season of my life.
- 4:43Speaker 6: I've been in my relationship for almost two years now,
- 4:44Speaker 6: and like the other day I was like cooking lunch
- 4:47Speaker 6: for Shakham and I.
- 4:48Speaker 4: Was like, wow, I've been doing this a lot, and
- 4:51Speaker 4: I really enjoy it. I enjoy it.
- 4:54Speaker 6: I enjoy like making sure like he's taken care of
- 4:56Speaker 6: I enjoy you know, I enjoy taking care of him
- 4:59Speaker 6: in all ways. So I think for other for other men,
- 5:03Speaker 6: though I would have been a lot more resistant, I've
- 5:05Speaker 6: been resistant.
- 5:07Speaker 5: So it's about the men that you choose, I think.
- 5:10Speaker 5: And I think that's what pisses me off about like
- 5:12Speaker 5: this era of I don't know how you say, like
- 5:16Speaker 5: insults or like this love this error of a lot
- 5:19Speaker 5: of men, about like when men don't women don't want
- 5:22Speaker 5: to submit, and women don't want to be It's like, no, nigga,
- 5:25Speaker 5: it's just not to your non man ass, you know,
- 5:28Speaker 5: Like no, just not to you who's over there hating
- 5:31Speaker 5: hating women out loud on a podcast, you know, Like
- 5:34Speaker 5: that irritates me. And for that reason, I was thinking
- 5:37Speaker 5: about this recently, like I intentionally use a lot of
- 5:41Speaker 5: language that I know is going to irritate or bother
- 5:47Speaker 5: a small minded man, you know what I mean. Like sometimes,
- 5:50Speaker 5: like I said, wild women, I can tell it like
- 5:52Speaker 5: I can start twitching or like ho like I'm a
- 5:55Speaker 5: I'm a former hope and like oh, you know, like
- 5:57Speaker 5: there's certain words that I know it's going to really
- 6:00Speaker 5: they're a basic man, so I use them to see
- 6:04Speaker 5: if they're gonna melt.
- 6:05Speaker 2: Yeah, and it works.
- 6:07Speaker 6: Yeah, but I also want to I also will say
- 6:10Speaker 6: as a woman who has had I mean, I guess
- 6:13Speaker 6: submission has been a journey for me, and it's I'm
- 6:16Speaker 6: still in the journey of it even currently in this relationship.
- 6:18Speaker 6: Is like I think a lot of women say, like
- 6:20Speaker 6: for the right man, I will submit, but that's not
- 6:22Speaker 6: always true because when you find the right man because
- 6:24Speaker 6: you've been in the practice of not submitting, there's actually
- 6:26Speaker 6: like there's actually like a training that has to happen.
- 6:29Speaker 5: I'm still in it too, yeah, married, but I'm still
- 6:31Speaker 5: actively like I twitch every time you.
- 6:33Speaker 6: Tell me I get Like Shakam was like, you know,
- 6:36Speaker 6: I've been thinking someone the other day. He's like, I'm
- 6:37Speaker 6: just contemplating, Like where you submit to me, and like
- 6:40Speaker 6: you when we go to the gym, like you submit one,
- 6:43Speaker 6: like you're no problem, Like you'll like listen to everything
- 6:45Speaker 6: that I say. He's like, with Iri, you've given me
- 6:47Speaker 6: a lot of trust. My daughter, you've given me a
- 6:49Speaker 6: lot of trust. So there's like a submission there. But
- 6:51Speaker 6: in the household, there's a lack of submission that I
- 6:53Speaker 6: experienced with both you and your Daughter's very challenging in
- 6:56Speaker 6: this house.
- 6:57Speaker 4: And you know, he was like, you know, we're debating
- 7:00Speaker 4: about what why that.
- 7:01Speaker 5: Could possibly be. Not at the gym, you do it,
- 7:03Speaker 5: but he said, he.
- 7:04Speaker 6: Said, sexually, I submit like in places where I have
- 7:08Speaker 6: seen him, like where I know, well, yeah, where I
- 7:12Speaker 6: believe or i've seen the proof, I can say no problem,
- 7:15Speaker 6: you know.
- 7:16Speaker 4: And he was talking about the house and I was
- 7:18Speaker 4: telling him, well.
- 7:19Speaker 6: I was like, well, well she cam actually like my baby
- 7:21Speaker 6: daddy told me I had I wouldn't submit to him
- 7:23Speaker 6: in the house. So it's not like whatever what we were
- 7:26Speaker 6: talking about. I was like, it's not that. It's that
- 7:29Speaker 6: as a single mom, and I also, no, it's this,
- 7:32Speaker 6: it's that a I've never I've never been in that
- 7:34Speaker 6: my mom, my grandmother, they're not. I've never seen them
- 7:36Speaker 6: submit to a man in the house. My mom and
- 7:38Speaker 6: my stepdad's dynamic. She is she runs the ship, she
- 7:41Speaker 6: runs the ship. My grandmother runs the ship. I've literally
- 7:44Speaker 6: never seen it. I have not experienced it. And then
- 7:47Speaker 6: also layering that on to so that was what my
- 7:50Speaker 6: baby daddy experienced for me because he would say that all.
- 7:52Speaker 4: The time, you don't ever let me lead. I was like, well,
- 7:55Speaker 4: I don't trust you, and he goes, oh, no, I'm
- 7:56Speaker 4: not going to literally lead.
- 7:57Speaker 6: But now that I'm with a man that I trust,
- 7:58Speaker 6: it still shows up. And I think for me now
- 8:03Speaker 6: because I've never seen it. But then there's the added
- 8:06Speaker 6: layer of being a single mother and having to be
- 8:08Speaker 6: the man of the house and having to make sure
- 8:10Speaker 6: everything gets done and it's like, if if anything's off,
- 8:14Speaker 6: then it's on me. And now having someone come in
- 8:17Speaker 6: and like, it's been challenging for me to like, yeah,
- 8:21Speaker 6: submit to that. And so I'm still in the practice
- 8:24Speaker 6: of learning how to do that. Even though I have
- 8:25Speaker 6: a good man, even though I have someone that I
- 8:26Speaker 6: can be soft with, I can trust all those things.
- 8:28Speaker 4: So for the ladies that think, oh, when I find
- 8:30Speaker 4: the right man, then I'll submit. No, bitch, you might not.
- 8:34Speaker 6: You're still gonna need to learn how to do that
- 8:36Speaker 6: because it actually feels really uncomfortable.
- 8:38Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 8:39Speaker 1: I actually my latest book that I just put out
- 8:42Speaker 1: is called Bulletproof Love, right, and I'm teaching people how
- 8:46Speaker 1: to bulletproof your relationship. But and I actually created the
- 8:49Speaker 1: whole curriculum. I have a community. It's called Bulletproof University,
- 8:52Speaker 1: and I created the first curriculm. Because you know, any
- 8:55Speaker 1: any license you go get, right, I don't care if
- 8:59Speaker 1: it's a beautician like saying the drivers, Like, any license
- 9:01Speaker 1: you go get you have to read something, you have
- 9:05Speaker 1: to study it, you have to and you have to
- 9:06Speaker 1: pass a test that says you know how to do it.
- 9:09Speaker 2: But the marriage LI likes is the only license you need.
- 9:10Speaker 5: To get Crazy that you say that and.
- 9:12Speaker 2: They give you a license that says you know how
- 9:14Speaker 2: to do this.
- 9:15Speaker 5: You don't know shit.
- 9:16Speaker 1: You pay two hundred and fifty dollars and you are
- 9:18Speaker 1: not clear to ruin your life.
- 9:21Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 9:22Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm like, I had never seen
- 9:25Speaker 1: it either, you know, I had never seen it up
- 9:27Speaker 1: close and personal, impersonal, but I had seen it on
- 9:31Speaker 1: like because we come from a different era, right, So
- 9:33Speaker 1: I saw Cosby Show, I saw First Prince of bel At, I.
- 9:36Speaker 2: Saw family matters, I saw a step by step you
- 9:40Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
- 9:40Speaker 1: I saw all different shows, and I'm like, hmmm, So
- 9:45Speaker 1: there's a way that this is supposed to be done.
- 9:47Speaker 2: We just don't know how to do it. You know
- 9:49Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I didn't know.
- 9:50Speaker 1: I had no idea how to be a husband. I
- 9:52Speaker 1: had no idea how to be a father. You know
- 9:54Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
- 9:55Speaker 2: My dad had no idea. You know what I'm saying.
- 9:58Speaker 2: His dad had no idea. Where do I get this from?
- 10:01Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So we find ourselves going
- 10:04Speaker 1: by societal standards or going what we saw our parents
- 10:08Speaker 1: do or what our friends said, and you know, we
- 10:11Speaker 1: take an input from people who are unsuccessful in the space,
- 10:14Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I created the actual
- 10:17Speaker 1: curriculum on how to do it. And so I'm teaching
- 10:20Speaker 1: people how to bulletproof your relationship so that.
- 10:24Speaker 2: It's durable, you know what I mean.
- 10:26Speaker 1: So you can interact with you from so you can
- 10:30Speaker 1: so you can approach it from a covenant concept and
- 10:35Speaker 1: not a contract concept.
- 10:37Speaker 5: You know and have creed and communication and yeah, and
- 10:42Speaker 5: I've never heard anybody put it that blatantly, but it's true.
- 10:44Speaker 5: Like me and Orlando did some pre marital divorce proof
- 10:49Speaker 5: club before we got married, which I thought was important.
- 10:51Speaker 5: But the only time we really see that happen is
- 10:53Speaker 5: in like religious form formats like Catholicism and Christianity. There's
- 10:59Speaker 5: generally before they are you in a church, you have
- 11:01Speaker 5: to go through you know, something with the pastor or
- 11:03Speaker 5: something like that, but prior to marriage. But if you're
- 11:05Speaker 5: not in those those religious you know spaces, or you
- 11:09Speaker 5: don't belong to a church, or you don't opt to
- 11:10Speaker 5: do that, generally people are doing it blindsided as fuck,
- 11:13Speaker 5: and there's no blueprint and they're just like fuck it.
- 11:16Speaker 5: And a lot of times we see it fails, and.
- 11:18Speaker 1: It's it's it's even it's even whacking the church though,
- 11:22Speaker 1: like we're not going to act like the The marriage
- 11:25Speaker 1: rate is higher for Christians and Catholics than everybody else.
- 11:31Speaker 5: I mean, and if it is, it's because they were
- 11:32Speaker 5: like I don't want to go to Hell. It's like
- 11:34Speaker 5: because they're afraid of the of the like the shame
- 11:38Speaker 5: of being divorced, there's like that understanding, not because they're
- 11:40Speaker 5: necessarily more happy.
- 11:42Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't even want to get going down
- 11:44Speaker 1: that road because I really it really irks me. I
- 11:47Speaker 1: really get going down religion. Religion, Yeah, because if you
- 11:55Speaker 1: actually read and studied a lot of the things in
- 11:59Speaker 1: shoulds that are upheld in the church, these are not
- 12:02Speaker 1: the things that Jesus taught or scripture even it's not.
- 12:07Speaker 1: And so when I dove in, I begin to do
- 12:10Speaker 1: my research and I begin to study, and I begin
- 12:12Speaker 1: to actually seek.
- 12:13Speaker 2: I'm like, y'all said it said. It don't say that.
- 12:18Speaker 1: It kind of doesn't say that at all, y'all something
- 12:19Speaker 1: I was gonna go to hell it is. It doesn't
- 12:22Speaker 1: say that either, you know what I'm saying. And it's
- 12:24Speaker 1: like so many people have a really bad taste in
- 12:27Speaker 1: their mouth regarding true spirituality and truly seeking God because
- 12:32Speaker 1: religion has cooked everybody.
- 12:34Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. The institution of it.
- 12:37Speaker 5: Yeah, it turned everybody off from what the spirit of
- 12:40Speaker 5: it truly being love, you know, yeah, loving thy neighbor,
- 12:44Speaker 5: simple shit, the basics, basic shit. They've turned into something very.
- 12:49Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm curious about the bullet their bulletproof concept of
- 12:54Speaker 6: bulletproof in your relationship or your marriage, because I was
- 12:57Speaker 6: I was reading this quote on your Instagram and said,
- 12:59Speaker 6: anyone can say I love you. Bulletproof love is shown
- 13:02Speaker 6: when staying costs you something.
- 13:04Speaker 4: What do you mean by that?
- 13:05Speaker 2: So love can only be shown after an offense? Right?
- 13:14Speaker 2: Love is sacrificial? Right, It's all about.
- 13:19Speaker 1: I only know somebody loves me by what they're willing
- 13:27Speaker 1: to offer you when it's not convenient for them. You
- 13:31Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If what you give me is
- 13:33Speaker 1: based off of you, guys are genuinely, generally just just
- 13:41Speaker 1: decent human beings, right, So if I ask one of
- 13:45Speaker 1: you guys for something and it's not an inconvenience, you'd
- 13:49Speaker 1: probably do it.
- 13:50Speaker 2: Right. Once I ask for something that isn't inconvenience.
- 13:54Speaker 1: Because the relationship is that we're not best friends, we
- 13:56Speaker 1: didn't grow up together, right, then it's like.
- 13:58Speaker 2: Uh, is he okay? Right?
- 14:02Speaker 1: So when I'm talking about bulletproof love, man for me.
- 14:09Speaker 2: This is just for me.
- 14:09Speaker 1: I can't speak for nobody else in this scenario. I
- 14:12Speaker 1: didn't even know my wife truly loved me until I
- 14:16Speaker 1: completely failed her and she chose me when I knew
- 14:19Speaker 1: she shouldn't have chose me when I knew you very
- 14:23Speaker 1: you wouldn't have been wrong.
- 14:24Speaker 2: For choosing against me, and she chose me and it didn't.
- 14:30Speaker 1: It was It was eye opening because I think most
- 14:32Speaker 1: men we don't. I had never seen unconditional love. I
- 14:37Speaker 1: had never seen selfless love. I had never seen anyone,
- 14:42Speaker 1: uh choose love or choose their partner. And I'm not
- 14:48Speaker 1: talking about from from an emotionally manipulative way.
- 14:54Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 14:54Speaker 1: I'm not talking about from a place of like, uh,
- 14:59Speaker 1: from a place of weakness. I'm talking about intentionally, from
- 15:02Speaker 1: a place of strength. I'm not talking about I'm gonna
- 15:04Speaker 1: choose you because I have no other choice and what
- 15:07Speaker 1: else am I gonna do with her? No, I'm gonna
- 15:09Speaker 1: choose you because I actually know who you are. I
- 15:11Speaker 1: don't know what that.
- 15:12Speaker 2: Was that you just did.
- 15:14Speaker 1: And I believe that there's more. I believe that you know,
- 15:20Speaker 1: you can be strong. I believe in uh, you know
- 15:24Speaker 1: what God has has shown me or what I believe
- 15:26Speaker 1: I've seen regarding you.
- 15:27Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. So I'm going to.
- 15:30Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna sit back and watch. Let me,
- 15:33Speaker 1: see what you do with this, you know? And then
- 15:35Speaker 1: for me, no one had to tell me to go
- 15:38Speaker 1: to therapy. You know what I'm saying. No one had
- 15:40Speaker 1: to tell me to go do the work, you know
- 15:41Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I wanted to be strong. I
- 15:45Speaker 1: wanted to be better. I wanted to figure out how
- 15:47Speaker 1: to be a good husband. I wanted to heal from
- 15:49Speaker 1: childhood trauma. I wanted to heal from certain things that
- 15:53Speaker 1: I deal with in my life that was passed down.
- 15:56Speaker 1: It's generational trauma, you know what I'm saying. I never
- 15:58Speaker 1: even seen it, you.
- 15:59Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
- 16:00Speaker 1: Things that I met my biological father when I was
- 16:02Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, right, and when I met I
- 16:05Speaker 1: was like, wow, I walk like him, you know what
- 16:08Speaker 1: I'm saying. We built the same But then there's certain
- 16:09Speaker 1: things that he struggles with in his life, and I'm like,
- 16:13Speaker 1: how do I struggle with the same thing?
- 16:14Speaker 2: And I didn't grow up in the same house with you.
- 16:16Speaker 2: A genetics boom.
- 16:17Speaker 1: It's certain, it's spiritual. Certain things has passed down through
- 16:20Speaker 1: the blood. So I wanted to do the work to
- 16:23Speaker 1: health from those things and break some of those generational
- 16:25Speaker 1: curses in my family.
- 16:27Speaker 2: And yeah, so that's that's that's where I was coming from.
- 16:30Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question. Do you feel like
- 16:32Speaker 5: you had that desire to heal, to seek therapy, to
- 16:36Speaker 5: be this better version of yourself prior to her choosing
- 16:40Speaker 5: you when she shouldn't have or could have or could
- 16:44Speaker 5: have opted to do something different. Because when you said that, initially.
- 16:49Speaker 2: I saw your face.
- 16:50Speaker 5: I was like, I think there's this understand I think
- 16:54Speaker 5: it's just a slippery a slippery slope, because I think
- 16:56Speaker 5: for black women there's this there's this understanding like, yes,
- 17:00Speaker 5: marriage and partnership are difficult, and there's going to be
- 17:03Speaker 5: things that you don't like and there's going to be
- 17:04Speaker 5: things you have to get past. But I don't think
- 17:07Speaker 5: that love should be like this struggle love, And I
- 17:09Speaker 5: don't think that's a narrative that we should go on.
- 17:11Speaker 5: And I'm not saying you're saying this was just this
- 17:13Speaker 5: isolated event. She knew who you were and she chose you,
- 17:15Speaker 5: which you know that happened. Sometimes niggas fuck up, we
- 17:17Speaker 5: fuck up, we're human. But I feel like sometimes it's
- 17:21Speaker 5: you know, women specifically, because there's also this idea that like,
- 17:26Speaker 5: let's just say for infidelity, for instance, because that's something
- 17:29Speaker 5: that happens often in relationships that we hear is may
- 17:31Speaker 5: be unforgivable or there's a riff that you can't come
- 17:34Speaker 5: back from. Women are like, I'm going to give him
- 17:37Speaker 5: more chance. This isn't a man's nature, Da da da da,
- 17:40Speaker 5: And then like with men, it doesn't, it's not reciprocated
- 17:43Speaker 5: if that is maybe the same break in the relationship.
- 17:48Speaker 5: And so I feel like when we say this to
- 17:50Speaker 5: women about coming back from things that are fucked up,
- 17:55Speaker 5: it's it's a slippery slope because sometimes you see a
- 17:58Speaker 5: bitch or I mean, I say, bitch, go back and
- 18:01Speaker 5: go back and go back and go back and get
- 18:03Speaker 5: hurt and get hurt and get hurt until there's nothing
- 18:05Speaker 5: left and then they hate man. And then as always,
- 18:06Speaker 5: it's this whole cycle of things. So I'm just wondering if, like,
- 18:10Speaker 5: did you have that that seed planted in you prior
- 18:13Speaker 5: to her, to her, to you feeling unconditionally loved by her.
- 18:19Speaker 1: So I'm somebody who I've always wanted to be the
- 18:22Speaker 1: best version of myself, you know what I'm saying. I
- 18:25Speaker 1: think as you get older, there's certain things that you
- 18:27Speaker 1: find about yourself that you didn't know were there? You know,
- 18:31Speaker 1: when you talk about infidelity, which is you know, because
- 18:34Speaker 1: it's because of TV, because.
- 18:35Speaker 7: Of Love and Hip Hop, there was this narrative. I
- 18:37Speaker 7: believe that like.
- 18:39Speaker 2: Marcaus was just this woman eyes and just it was
- 18:42Speaker 2: never the K guy. I'd be like, hey, it's TV.
- 18:44Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, What's what?
- 18:45Speaker 1: When we talked about earlier, I'm like, hey, I think
- 18:48Speaker 1: people negate the fact that hey, this is a full production,
- 18:51Speaker 1: this is a TV show.
- 18:52Speaker 2: We showed up, there's camera. Somebody said action, this entertainment ed.
- 18:56Speaker 4: So I didn't. I don't even watch. I don't even
- 18:57Speaker 4: know if I know what happened. But would they make you?
- 19:01Speaker 4: Did they make Did you know they were going to
- 19:03Speaker 4: put you in that light?
- 19:05Speaker 6: Or there's certain things or was it just more exaggerated
- 19:08Speaker 6: than it was?
- 19:09Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of a lot of it is exaggerated.
- 19:11Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of people. Right I was
- 19:14Speaker 1: on Love and Hip Hop Hollywood in two thousand and
- 19:16Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen. There's people who look at us today in
- 19:19Speaker 1: two thousand and six and they.
- 19:20Speaker 4: Like twenty six.
- 19:25Speaker 2: Revers time machine now.
- 19:28Speaker 1: But there's people who see me what I'm doing now
- 19:30Speaker 1: they be like, why would we take advice from you? Like,
- 19:33Speaker 1: then you change up. I'm like, yo, y'all, really, first
- 19:35Speaker 1: of all, it's TV, But let's say let's say what
- 19:37Speaker 1: y'all saw was real. Y'all haven't seen you haven't seen
- 19:40Speaker 1: me in ten years, and this is your this is
- 19:42Speaker 1: what you think.
- 19:43Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying to answer your question.
- 19:45Speaker 1: Though I absolutely have always achieved to be the best
- 19:50Speaker 1: version of myself in my past, I never struggled with
- 19:53Speaker 1: in fidelity, you know what I'm saying. That was not
- 19:55Speaker 1: something that I struggle with. It's still not something I
- 20:00Speaker 1: struggle with. It was a It was a moment where
- 20:03Speaker 1: I was like, hmm, I haven't been here before. You
- 20:11Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You kind of just look up
- 20:12Speaker 1: and you're in a situation. You haven't been taught how
- 20:16Speaker 1: to handle these situations. You haven't been like I stayed
- 20:19Speaker 1: ten told down stairs I was I wasn't wrong for
- 20:21Speaker 1: how I felt. I was wrong for how I handled
- 20:25Speaker 1: my feelings, you know what I mean, and how I
- 20:27Speaker 1: went about it and not feeling not knowing how to
- 20:33Speaker 1: ext you know, like, transparency is so important in a relationship,
- 20:37Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Not just honesty, but transparency.
- 20:39Speaker 1: And my relationship with my wife is so amazing because
- 20:42Speaker 1: there's full transparency. You know what I'm saying, It's real partnership.
- 20:46Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 20:47Speaker 1: My wife is my best friend. There's nothing I don't
- 20:48Speaker 1: talk to her about.
- 20:49Speaker 2: Right.
- 20:50Speaker 1: So I was talking about homie the other day and
- 20:51Speaker 1: I'm like, look, it's easy to come talk to your
- 20:54Speaker 1: wife or your girl about how you're feeling. It's gonna
- 20:58Speaker 1: be much more difficult to have a conversation and her
- 21:00Speaker 1: about well, this is what I did as a result
- 21:02Speaker 1: of that. Now, now, now you left her in a
- 21:05Speaker 1: dark about so much. So it's like life still life,
- 21:09Speaker 1: and you still feel certain things. But as I as
- 21:11Speaker 1: I feel something now it's like, my wife's not even
- 21:13Speaker 1: the blind about this, like, oh, what's I was feeling
- 21:17Speaker 1: like this?
- 21:17Speaker 2: So I saw this, So I'm dealing with this.
- 21:19Speaker 1: So this is how I'm feeling the day or and
- 21:21Speaker 1: there's transparency and she can help me through these feelings
- 21:24Speaker 1: and vice versa, you know what I'm saying. So that
- 21:29Speaker 1: situation is the first time, the first thing that put
- 21:32Speaker 1: a highlight over who I was in that moment where
- 21:39Speaker 1: I was lost, what the root of it was, like
- 21:42Speaker 1: what caused me to do this? Like I'm a very
- 21:43Speaker 1: I've always been a very honest person. I'm a very
- 21:47Speaker 1: transparent person naturally, Like even what you want to.
- 21:50Speaker 2: Talk, we can talk about whatever, Like I don't really triplef.
- 21:52Speaker 2: I'm not that.
- 21:53Speaker 1: I don't do no hiding right, So, and that moment,
- 21:57Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm, how did like where did this come from?
- 22:02Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying too.
- 22:03Speaker 2: I actually always thought that even if I was to.
- 22:08Speaker 1: Do something wrong like that, I would be very transparent
- 22:11Speaker 1: that I did it.
- 22:12Speaker 2: I didn't. I wasn't transparent about anything. I'm like, how
- 22:14Speaker 2: did I become? Where has come from? Where is this?
- 22:16Speaker 1: And so it sent me down the road of trying
- 22:18Speaker 1: to do the work and go to therapy and unpack
- 22:21Speaker 1: certain things and you know, get in my word and
- 22:23Speaker 1: see God and just try to try to break down
- 22:25Speaker 1: like what is the what's the root?
- 22:26Speaker 2: What's the foundation of these things? You know?
- 22:30Speaker 6: Was that situation that that moment where your wife could
- 22:34Speaker 6: have chose otherwise and she chose you? And so just
- 22:38Speaker 6: curious because I think that as women, when we hear
- 22:42Speaker 6: stories like this, like Mila said, we hear women that
- 22:44Speaker 6: are like, have been with men that have been have
- 22:46Speaker 6: had you say you didn't struggle with in fidelity, but
- 22:48Speaker 6: maybe they've been in a relationship where like their partner
- 22:50Speaker 6: has had infidelity and then they keep going back because
- 22:52Speaker 6: their partner says.
- 22:53Speaker 4: Oh, I'm gonna be better, I'm gonna do better. I've
- 22:55Speaker 4: been that woman.
- 22:57Speaker 6: I'm just curious from a man's perspective, what are signs
- 23:00Speaker 6: that women who are in those relationships that are in
- 23:03Speaker 6: the process of giving their man and maybe the first chance, Like,
- 23:07Speaker 6: how do you know you're like, this is a good investment?
- 23:10Speaker 6: How do you know, like, what are the signs that
- 23:12Speaker 6: a woman can look at in her man and say, Okay,
- 23:15Speaker 6: I'm willing to take this chance because I believe in you, Like,
- 23:19Speaker 6: what are what are those signs that they can look
- 23:20Speaker 6: for Because I think a lot of times as women
- 23:22Speaker 6: like we're just like going off trust and trust trust
- 23:26Speaker 6: trust has already been broken exactly, you know.
- 23:28Speaker 1: So it's like, so I think I think you can't
- 23:31Speaker 1: go off of potentially you have to go off trajectory, right,
- 23:34Speaker 1: you have to go off of Okay, how is this
- 23:36Speaker 1: person moving?
- 23:37Speaker 2: Like how you do one thing is how you do everything? Right?
- 23:40Speaker 2: So when you're dealing with somebody of.
- 23:46Speaker 1: Character, if you're dealing with somebody who is honest, if
- 23:48Speaker 1: you're dealing with somebody who like when I look at
- 23:50Speaker 1: how you handle things, I can tell whether this was
- 23:53Speaker 1: a mistake, Like this is a glitch in a make
- 23:54Speaker 1: This is a glitch right here, right If this is
- 23:57Speaker 1: who you are, it's just who you are, you know
- 23:59Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So for a woman that said, I
- 24:03Speaker 1: would never tell a woman to continue to go back
- 24:06Speaker 1: or you know, I think emotional manipulation is an emotional
- 24:12Speaker 1: trauma is just as toxic and dangerous as physical trauma,
- 24:16Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, well, yeah, sometimes it
- 24:20Speaker 1: can be more, you know, So I would I would
- 24:23Speaker 1: say that it's important to step back and look at
- 24:27Speaker 1: who this person is, you know what I mean. Again,
- 24:29Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who ever struggled in this area, you
- 24:32Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I've never been this undisciplined. Wow,
- 24:37Speaker 1: dick nigga out here, just that's never been my move,
- 24:40Speaker 1: never been my move, right, So something happened here, you
- 24:45Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and I missed it. And also
- 24:50Speaker 1: anybody who was around me in that season, you know
- 24:54Speaker 1: it bothered me more than it bothered her.
- 24:55Speaker 2: It could like it.
- 24:59Speaker 1: It's one thing when you when you just slip up
- 25:01Speaker 1: and you make a mistake when you're making offense, right,
- 25:03Speaker 1: But when you hurt the person you.
- 25:05Speaker 2: Love, you should be hurt. You shouldn't be okay, right,
- 25:10Speaker 2: And that's a that's a that's another major sign.
- 25:12Speaker 1: Right, Like if if you hurt your partner and they're
- 25:17Speaker 1: not and you're devastating, they're not devastating. Something's wrong here
- 25:20Speaker 1: and you're hurt and they're not hurt, and they just think, oh, well,
- 25:22Speaker 1: you know, it's not that big of stuff, Like it's
- 25:25Speaker 1: not that big of a deal where you know you
- 25:31Speaker 1: need to like the get over it language where you
- 25:34Speaker 1: still you still tripping off of that. These are all no, no, no, no, no, no,
- 25:38Speaker 1: this is this is this is not the one We
- 25:39Speaker 1: gotta deal with this because I think whenever in any relationship,
- 25:42Speaker 1: a business relationship or marriage or friendship, you know, we
- 25:50Speaker 1: come together and we like, okay, we're having a we're
- 25:53Speaker 1: coming together to do this. You guys have a business relationship, right,
- 25:56Speaker 1: good mind's bad choices, you know.
- 25:58Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
- 25:58Speaker 1: You guys are full out business parts, right, So if
- 26:02Speaker 1: somebody goes and makes a move outside of what you
- 26:06Speaker 1: guys agreed on, it doesn't mean you throw it away,
- 26:09Speaker 1: but we definitely have to sit back and be like, Okay,
- 26:12Speaker 1: what was that?
- 26:13Speaker 2: What's going on? You know what I'm saying.
- 26:15Speaker 1: If this is who the person is and you just
- 26:18Speaker 1: hadn't called on to it, or maybe you thought they
- 26:20Speaker 1: weren't gonna do that to you, well maybe it's time
- 26:23Speaker 1: to like, you might want to step away from that
- 26:25Speaker 1: situation if it doesn't work for you and that's who
- 26:27Speaker 1: they are.
- 26:28Speaker 2: But if it's just a season and they just y'all
- 26:32Speaker 2: never we've been working together for years, I've never seen
- 26:34Speaker 2: you do nothing like that. What made you do this? Ah?
- 26:36Speaker 1: Well, I was dealing with this and then this happened,
- 26:39Speaker 1: and I was afraid about this, and I just did
- 26:41Speaker 1: this and I apologize, like I don't plan on ever
- 26:43Speaker 1: doing that again. This is the language that makes you
- 26:46Speaker 1: want to be like, okay, so you understand that this
- 26:48Speaker 1: is not okay, right, Because if you don't understand it's
- 26:51Speaker 1: not okay, then well we're probably gonna do it.
- 26:53Speaker 2: We'll probably be here again.
- 26:55Speaker 1: Six months, a year, six weeks, whatever, six years. So
- 27:00Speaker 1: I think for me, I was. I couldn't believe. I
- 27:04Speaker 1: was disgusted with myself, Like, Yo, that's what we're on, nigga,
- 27:07Speaker 1: that's what we.
- 27:08Speaker 2: At like because I felt cowardly and.
- 27:10Speaker 5: It also happened to just be on TV in front
- 27:12Speaker 5: of everybody.
- 27:12Speaker 2: It wasn't on TV. That's part.
- 27:14Speaker 1: That's what the stuff that people seen on TV. It
- 27:16Speaker 1: wasn't that was TV when I really made it, made
- 27:21Speaker 1: the bad turn.
- 27:22Speaker 2: No one's seen it, you know what I'm saying.
- 27:24Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe it because I felt I felt cowardly.
- 27:30Speaker 2: I felt more cowardly that.
- 27:33Speaker 1: I allowed it to make it back to my wife
- 27:35Speaker 1: without and it didn't come for me.
- 27:37Speaker 2: Oh, I felt like a bitch, go ahead.
- 27:41Speaker 5: That's something I think that people like people, what like
- 27:47Speaker 5: when in times am I in? Like when in a
- 27:49Speaker 5: certain maturity where people did stuff to trespass my trust
- 27:52Speaker 5: or cheated or lied. My biggest thing is because I'm
- 27:56Speaker 5: very much who I am. Was like, listen, this is
- 27:58Speaker 5: a youth thing. Because you don't like yourself enough to
- 28:01Speaker 5: be honest about what you've done. You don't like you
- 28:06Speaker 5: or else you would have been fine saying hey, I
- 28:07Speaker 5: don't want to really be in this relationship. So when
- 28:10Speaker 5: you when you realize it like that, it's like if
- 28:13Speaker 5: someone's apologetic, it's because they really dislike this thing that
- 28:16Speaker 5: they did. But if they were so hard to hide it,
- 28:19Speaker 5: it's like they don't really like who they actually are.
- 28:21Speaker 5: Who you say you are and who you present as
- 28:24Speaker 5: is not who you actually are. And that's where it
- 28:26Speaker 5: gets tricky. It's like, say, be who you are or
- 28:30Speaker 5: else you are, Like I think if you don't, if
- 28:33Speaker 5: you don't feel bad about it, it's because you like
- 28:35Speaker 5: to be. You like to show up as something that
- 28:38Speaker 5: you actually are not. And that's what I don't fuck with.
- 28:41Speaker 5: It's not generally about like the cheating or line. It's like, nigga,
- 28:44Speaker 5: you told me you wanted to be in a committed relationship,
- 28:46Speaker 5: you told me you wanted to be monogamous. We could
- 28:47Speaker 5: have did some whole other, total other shit because I
- 28:49Speaker 5: got some host too. But that's the thing is, niggas
- 28:52Speaker 5: don't really generally want you to be on your own
- 28:53Speaker 5: shit too. You would rather you do your own shit
- 28:56Speaker 5: and me pretend and me not know what the fuck
- 28:58Speaker 5: is going on so that you don't have to accept
- 29:01Speaker 5: the same behavior. And I think That's what bothers me
- 29:03Speaker 5: a lot about men is like the behavior that they
- 29:06Speaker 5: generally do in secret. It's in secret because they wouldn't
- 29:09Speaker 5: be able to handle it if their partner did it
- 29:11Speaker 5: to them. And to me, that's some bitch ass shit.
- 29:15Speaker 5: If you respect me as a friend, if you respect
- 29:17Speaker 5: me as an adult and as a human, you're gonna
- 29:19Speaker 5: be honest about what you're doing so that we can
- 29:21Speaker 5: be on the same page. And if I so choose to,
- 29:23Speaker 5: you know, either take it. I might go have a
- 29:26Speaker 5: side piece too. But if you can't handle it, that
- 29:28Speaker 5: lets me know that you don't like yourself because you
- 29:31Speaker 5: don't want to see yourself and me. You don't want
- 29:33Speaker 5: to see me display the same behaviors. And a lot
- 29:36Speaker 5: of men are going to argue and say, well, my woman,
- 29:38Speaker 5: I want to have a couple of women, and you
- 29:40Speaker 5: will just my woman. You hear all the time, right,
- 29:42Speaker 5: like men have women and then like but their women Neo,
- 29:49Speaker 5: that's the only thing I could think of. But to me,
- 29:51Speaker 5: like that in itself is an example of a man
- 29:55Speaker 5: who doesn't really like the behavior and what she's displaying.
- 30:00Speaker 5: Can't handle it in your partner, then you probably don't
- 30:02Speaker 5: like the behavior in yourself, but you don't have the
- 30:04Speaker 5: balls enough to say that.
- 30:05Speaker 2: To me, I think it's I think it's a little
- 30:07Speaker 2: more layered than that.
- 30:08Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 30:08Speaker 6: If Neo doesn't like the behavior in himself, I think
- 30:10Speaker 6: that he's benefiting from it.
- 30:11Speaker 5: I mean, well, men benefit from it. But I'm saying
- 30:14Speaker 5: is like, well, he's getting everything he wants, of course,
- 30:16Speaker 5: because the women are like, I don't need any of
- 30:18Speaker 5: the manner. Whatever the fuck they'd be saying. I don't
- 30:19Speaker 5: get it. Seems delusional to me, and I do think
- 30:21Speaker 5: it's layered.
- 30:22Speaker 6: I think that there's like a lot of conditioning. I
- 30:23Speaker 6: think there's like there is there's religion, there's just all
- 30:26Speaker 6: the things that how a woman is supposed to show up,
- 30:28Speaker 6: how wife is suppsed to show up, how valuableom' is
- 30:30Speaker 6: suposed to show up, how Puss's supposed to show up?
- 30:32Speaker 5: But what about equal rights?
- 30:34Speaker 4: Of course?
- 30:38Speaker 2: Why do you look like that? What?
- 30:44Speaker 4: Let's ask the man.
- 30:46Speaker 2: What about equal rights?
- 30:48Speaker 5: I just feel like equal, I don't.
- 30:50Speaker 2: I hate the word equal, by the way, don't.
- 30:53Speaker 4: Why do you hate the word equal?
- 30:54Speaker 2: Because what's equal? What is that?
- 30:57Speaker 5: I think about humanity?
- 30:58Speaker 4: Balance?
- 31:00Speaker 2: There's nothing, there's there's nothing equal.
- 31:01Speaker 1: There's nothing like if you I'm gonna pick like if
- 31:06Speaker 1: if you look at the animal kingdom, right, nothing is
- 31:08Speaker 1: equal in the animal kingdom.
- 31:10Speaker 2: Right. If we look at.
- 31:12Speaker 1: Men and it's like all men are not created equal,
- 31:14Speaker 1: all women are not created equal.
- 31:16Speaker 2: What is this equal stuff? Because everyone's not equal? You
- 31:19Speaker 2: get what you go?
- 31:20Speaker 3: Ah.
- 31:20Speaker 5: I think from God's perspective, he creates us equally. Baby
- 31:23Speaker 5: is a baby, is a baby is a baby?
- 31:25Speaker 2: This is see this is where.
- 31:27Speaker 5: Environment then gives us what we believe is what is
- 31:30Speaker 5: either environment in society then gives us value. So from
- 31:35Speaker 5: a from a divine perspective, as I create the tree,
- 31:38Speaker 5: and I create the lion, and I create Marcus Black,
- 31:41Speaker 5: they are all equally my creations in which I love unconditionally. Correct.
- 31:45Speaker 2: Yeah, but God has favorites.
- 31:49Speaker 4: And so like I don't know if God has favorites.
- 31:51Speaker 5: Is that in the Bible? Absolutely, there's no question, like
- 31:54Speaker 5: Mark John and well Jacob, well.
- 31:57Speaker 1: Well we can we can go into somebody like right
- 32:00Speaker 1: where in scripture God refers to like this is my friend,
- 32:04Speaker 1: Like I speak to him face to face, mouth to mouth,
- 32:07Speaker 1: like y'all think y'all can play with somebody who I
- 32:09Speaker 1: consider a friend of mine.
- 32:10Speaker 2: He's close to me.
- 32:11Speaker 1: Like when you talk about King David, who a great
- 32:14Speaker 1: man of guy, but King David made a mess. King
- 32:17Speaker 1: David made the biggest mess. God loved David. This is
- 32:20Speaker 1: he called David a man after his own heart. Even
- 32:24Speaker 1: when you talk about Jacob and Esau being born, said Jacob,
- 32:29Speaker 1: I love.
- 32:34Speaker 2: And and and and and and not.
- 32:36Speaker 1: It doesn't mean in the sense of like he doesn't
- 32:38Speaker 1: love Esau, but Jacob I have.
- 32:40Speaker 5: Favor You know what, Jacob has more faith than Jacob
- 32:44Speaker 5: talks to me more often.
- 32:45Speaker 1: It lands how it lands. It's kind of like when
- 32:47Speaker 1: you talk about the idea of luck.
- 32:49Speaker 6: Right, but we're also talking about the imperfections of man. Right,
- 32:52Speaker 6: So of course, like if if Esau has has funck
- 32:55Speaker 6: sh up or he's terrible birth, Oh.
- 32:57Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't understand. I thought that God just loved
- 33:00Speaker 5: his people that he created.
- 33:01Speaker 1: God loves everybody, but levels so unjust like I don't
- 33:06Speaker 1: Jesus had favorites.
- 33:07Speaker 2: Like there's a reason.
- 33:08Speaker 5: Jesus was a man. He was a human.
- 33:10Speaker 2: Jesus was all man and all God.
- 33:12Speaker 5: Research this morning, I don't know, but stuff with you're
- 33:15Speaker 5: gonna stud me with the Bible school.
- 33:17Speaker 4: Second, let me Bible, so so for.
- 33:23Speaker 1: Me, so much of our how society is ran it
- 33:31Speaker 1: is pulled from Bible. Right, Like when we talk about yes,
- 33:35Speaker 1: absolutely manipulad you know what I'm saying. But I'm just
- 33:38Speaker 1: talking about it's important for us to know what Scripture says, right,
- 33:42Speaker 1: because the moment we start talking about, well this is
- 33:45Speaker 1: right and this is wrong, what makes it right and
- 33:48Speaker 1: what makes it wrong? Where do we get this moral
- 33:49Speaker 1: compass from right? If we get the moral compass from God,
- 33:53Speaker 1: then there's a who gave us the moral compass.
- 33:59Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 33:59Speaker 1: So much of the world still operates off the teen Commandments, right, and.
- 34:04Speaker 5: So it does it because did thou not shall kill
- 34:09Speaker 5: their neighbor? I mean, I think it just gets it gets,
- 34:12Speaker 5: It gets very muddy, right because I mean, I'm not
- 34:16Speaker 5: I've read the Bible a long time ago, not anytime recently.
- 34:19Speaker 5: I'm not gonna front, but did you read it the
- 34:21Speaker 5: whole thing? We went through every chapter in Catholic school. Yes,
- 34:25Speaker 5: I wasn't either, but that was.
- 34:27Speaker 4: A Catholic school too. I'm like, you read that whole point.
- 34:29Speaker 5: We had religion, But but this is where it gets
- 34:33Speaker 5: tricky to me, and I know this is probably gonna
- 34:35Speaker 5: get too deep, But even right now in present time,
- 34:39Speaker 5: when we talk about God's favorites or God's chosen people,
- 34:42Speaker 5: you see what that what happens when we put favoritism
- 34:45Speaker 5: or hierarchy on humans, people then think it's justified to
- 34:49Speaker 5: murder and kill and genocide and take land and kill babies.
- 34:53Speaker 5: And then that's not really on a moral compass, is.
- 34:59Speaker 1: People People don't read the Bible in context, right like,
- 35:03Speaker 1: even when I won't even go over there to that topic,
- 35:05Speaker 1: but even when I like, when you talk about the
- 35:10Speaker 1: chosen people, it's not talking about that land, you know
- 35:15Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's not talking about the people who
- 35:16Speaker 1: have currently occupied that land.
- 35:18Speaker 2: It was It's a.
- 35:20Speaker 1: Lineage, and you're either a part of that lineage or not.
- 35:24Speaker 2: And and and when and when.
- 35:26Speaker 1: He chose those people. He didn't choose these people because
- 35:31Speaker 1: they're just these are good or it's just better than everybody.
- 35:34Speaker 1: He chose to reveal himself through these through this lineage.
- 35:37Speaker 1: So when you talk about Holy annoyed, it just means
- 35:41Speaker 1: it just means set apart these people.
- 35:43Speaker 2: I took this and I'm saying, set apart to the side.
- 35:47Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It doesn't mean better than everybody.
- 35:50Speaker 2: It's just chosen, you know what I mean.
- 35:52Speaker 1: Like when the idea of luck right, luck finds who
- 35:58Speaker 1: it wants right, Like if you hit a jackpot, did
- 36:00Speaker 1: you do to deserve the jackpipe? When somebody has a
- 36:02Speaker 1: lottery for five hundred million dollars? What did you do
- 36:05Speaker 1: to deserve that? Just it's just landing on you, you
- 36:08Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's how God's favor works.
- 36:12Speaker 1: God's favor God chooses.
- 36:13Speaker 2: Who he wants. God picks who he wants.
- 36:17Speaker 1: He loves everyone, but he has he has favorites, you
- 36:19Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just if you if you
- 36:22Speaker 1: have cousins, then you probably have you might have a
- 36:24Speaker 1: favorite cousin, you know what I'm saying. You have siblings,
- 36:28Speaker 1: you might have a favorite sibling. You know what I'm saying,
- 36:30Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to have this conversation,
- 36:31Speaker 1: But if you have multiple children, a lot of time
- 36:33Speaker 1: you have a favorite child.
- 36:34Speaker 6: Talking about hum men, we're talking about humans, human to human,
- 36:38Speaker 6: human to human.
- 36:39Speaker 5: But I was just saying that all that to say
- 36:41Speaker 5: back to the equal rights of relationships. It's just that
- 36:46Speaker 5: I think that men have used the patriarchy and religion
- 36:51Speaker 5: sometimes to place a burden or a struggle on women
- 36:56Speaker 5: that they have to endure. They have to endure a
- 36:59Speaker 5: certain amount of maybe infidelity or dishonesty in the realm
- 37:03Speaker 5: of sex or sexual relationships, because that is in a
- 37:06Speaker 5: man's nature. But no, it's not in your nature because
- 37:09Speaker 5: you have a vagina and you're my wife, and if
- 37:11Speaker 5: you do that what I did, then it's definitely over
- 37:13Speaker 5: and I'm definitely gonna My love then is conditional and
- 37:16Speaker 5: I no longer love you. But for me, this is
- 37:19Speaker 5: my nature because I have a penis and God gave
- 37:21Speaker 5: it to me and he said, soil your royal oaths
- 37:23Speaker 5: or whatever God said. You know, but you know that
- 37:29Speaker 5: that is where I think I get it.
- 37:32Speaker 1: Gets Yeah, but it's you have people in power saying
- 37:40Speaker 1: things that God never said.
- 37:42Speaker 5: Okay, right, No one's doing the research.
- 37:44Speaker 2: God never.
- 37:45Speaker 1: There's nowhere in the Bible what God gives men the
- 37:49Speaker 1: past to be sexually irresponsible. You know what I'm saying. Actually,
- 37:53Speaker 1: when you go to scripture and people, a lot of
- 37:55Speaker 1: people like to point out, well, this man was polygamist
- 37:59Speaker 1: and this person was Polygamon. It's and it's like, you
- 38:01Speaker 1: can't show me one time in a Bible where there's
- 38:03Speaker 1: a partly relationship and it went well.
- 38:05Speaker 2: It never goes well.
- 38:07Speaker 1: It went back every single time, whether where the God
- 38:09Speaker 1: condemned the person in that season or not.
- 38:12Speaker 2: That's another conversation.
- 38:13Speaker 1: And also there's certain things that's permissible on one season
- 38:16Speaker 1: that's not permissible in another season. When God's goal is
- 38:19Speaker 1: to populate the earth and build certain things.
- 38:21Speaker 2: Okay, well we're not This is not five thousand years ago.
- 38:25Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 38:25Speaker 5: We don't need to populate ship No populated.
- 38:30Speaker 2: Men don't have the right to just like Lit's cheating
- 38:33Speaker 2: is wrong. I don't care who you cheating on.
- 38:36Speaker 5: You should not lie.
- 38:37Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't say that, it doesn't.
- 38:38Speaker 5: That's not a commandment really.
- 38:45Speaker 1: But but but this is a this is a misconception.
- 38:48Speaker 1: This is why our society is a mess, because we
- 38:54Speaker 1: run around saying things. You have pastors, you have moms,
- 38:57Speaker 1: you have people saying what the Bible says that it doesn't.
- 39:00Speaker 5: Say that, and nowhere went to go check and nother
- 39:02Speaker 5: one and so it's like it's too big. She's right,
- 39:07Speaker 5: she said I.
- 39:08Speaker 1: I was so annoyed when I dove into it and
- 39:10Speaker 1: I was like, wow, y'all said this and it don't
- 39:13Speaker 1: say that, and it's so off right.
- 39:16Speaker 2: And then also like I.
- 39:19Speaker 1: Was in a conversation, now this is this just to
- 39:21Speaker 1: just to give you a different perspective. I was in
- 39:22Speaker 1: a conversation in the barber shopping. The guy was looking
- 39:24Speaker 1: at me like crazy. It was like some Marcus, So
- 39:26Speaker 1: if you're if your wife cheating on you, what you doing?
- 39:29Speaker 2: And I was like, I said, I pray I never
- 39:32Speaker 2: have to see that day. Right.
- 39:34Speaker 1: But I was like, going back to what I was saying,
- 39:37Speaker 1: either we or earlier we go off of off of pattern.
- 39:40Speaker 2: My wife has never ever been quote unquote promiscuous.
- 39:46Speaker 1: What society said calls it right, She's never been out there,
- 39:49Speaker 1: she's n it's never been her. If she becomes something
- 39:52Speaker 1: today that she wasn't, I was zooming and be like, okay,
- 39:55Speaker 1: what's that.
- 39:56Speaker 2: That's one two. This is my wife. This is my wife,
- 40:02Speaker 2: Like we're together every day.
- 40:04Speaker 1: If somehow she can meet a man, he can court her,
- 40:09Speaker 1: woo her, whatever her enough to be able to get
- 40:13Speaker 1: them draws.
- 40:13Speaker 2: And I missed the whole thing.
- 40:16Speaker 1: That that means there's there's been some level of abandonment
- 40:19Speaker 1: on my end in disconnection. You know what I'm saying,
- 40:22Speaker 1: There's no way somebody can get that in I'm two
- 40:24Speaker 1: hands on, I'm too.
- 40:28Speaker 2: Away, I'm too tapped into.
- 40:30Speaker 6: Do you think that that same concept can be flipped
- 40:33Speaker 6: as far as we like for a woman, like if
- 40:35Speaker 6: her man cheated, is that does she need to analyze
- 40:38Speaker 6: that concept as well?
- 40:40Speaker 4: Like if my man had time to go court a woman.
- 40:43Speaker 6: I mean, obviously it's different, right because I think men
- 40:46Speaker 6: and they're there, their relation to sex or intimacy is
- 40:50Speaker 6: different than a woman's relation to sex or intimacy. But
- 40:52Speaker 6: I'm just curious, does that does that go both ways?
- 40:54Speaker 6: Because when I asked you originally was like, what what
- 40:57Speaker 6: are the green flags?
- 41:00Speaker 4: And cheating?
- 41:00Speaker 2: Right?
- 41:00Speaker 4: Like, what are the green flags? That's what green flags?
- 41:03Speaker 6: But like I mean, like, if you're gonna stay, you're
- 41:04Speaker 6: gonna work it out, what are the green flags in
- 41:06Speaker 6: your partner that you're like, Okay, I'm gonna work it
- 41:09Speaker 6: out because these are the things that I'm willing to
- 41:11Speaker 6: analyze and view about my partner and say, okay, But
- 41:14Speaker 6: this is an isolated situation. Historically, you haven't done this.
- 41:17Speaker 6: Number one is what I think is and number two, now,
- 41:19Speaker 6: what you're saying on your side is shit. Where am
- 41:23Speaker 6: I lacking here? Where am I laking?
- 41:25Speaker 2: So?
- 41:25Speaker 4: Does does that also go on?
- 41:26Speaker 2: On the woman side? Is different?
- 41:29Speaker 4: Okay?
- 41:29Speaker 2: It's different.
- 41:30Speaker 1: And going back to this is why I believe that
- 41:33Speaker 1: double standards are beautiful and I think it's important to
- 41:35Speaker 1: understand that we're not equal. Right, so, most women, I
- 41:41Speaker 1: will never make a blank I don't like blanket statements.
- 41:43Speaker 1: I'm not gonna speak for all women. Most women who
- 41:45Speaker 1: are loved properly by their man, they typically don't have
- 41:50Speaker 1: eyes for other men most right now, men, you can
- 41:55Speaker 1: have the most amazing wife and she do everything perfect
- 42:00Speaker 1: and the eyes will still move you and you have
- 42:04Speaker 1: to check it right. So as a as a as
- 42:09Speaker 1: a as a man, I will look at my wife,
- 42:11Speaker 1: who I know this is, this is this is not
- 42:13Speaker 1: her nature to just that's not what she's on. She's wrong, absolutely,
- 42:21Speaker 1: But it's like, how do we get here? And how
- 42:24Speaker 1: did I miss it? There's no way I miss it
- 42:29Speaker 1: if I'm intentional and I'm and I'm hands on and
- 42:34Speaker 1: I'm and I'm in there and I'm.
- 42:35Speaker 2: Present in my relationship. There's no way I miss something
- 42:37Speaker 2: like that. There's no way. She's probably been talking to
- 42:39Speaker 2: me about things that's bothering her and I brushed it off.
- 42:43Speaker 1: She felt ignored, she felt unseen, she felt unheard. Maybe
- 42:46Speaker 1: she didn't feel beautiful. Maybe she didn't. Maybe she's not.
- 42:49Speaker 2: She's she missed a lot.
- 42:51Speaker 1: And and even still my wife is very, very bold,
- 42:55Speaker 1: like she'll just be like, yeah, nah, you know what
- 42:59Speaker 1: I'm saying before she just goes and go does it
- 43:02Speaker 1: and does something else.
- 43:02Speaker 2: That's just who she is. You know what I'm saying.
- 43:07Speaker 1: As a man, because it is more in our nature
- 43:12Speaker 1: and all that I can. I can when I tell you,
- 43:13Speaker 1: I can open up the Bible and walk everything that
- 43:16Speaker 1: we're talking about. I can pinpoint to you where this
- 43:18Speaker 1: come from, how this happened, why it happened, and why
- 43:20Speaker 1: you feel how you feel. I can literally it will
- 43:22Speaker 1: take another episode, but I can literally walk it down.
- 43:26Speaker 1: So when you just that, just that just threw me over.
- 43:30Speaker 2: Look, I got add Well, I just said we were just.
- 43:34Speaker 5: Talking about.
- 43:38Speaker 3: You.
- 43:38Speaker 5: If you would take her back if she cheated up?
- 43:40Speaker 2: No, So because of the nature, right, men will go
- 43:43Speaker 2: out of their way.
- 43:46Speaker 1: To hide it you know what I'm saying, men will
- 43:47Speaker 1: duck more because it's like you just want to get
- 43:50Speaker 1: that off, like there was nothing wrong. You just wanted
- 43:51Speaker 1: to go get that off, like it doesn't have to
- 43:54Speaker 1: be something wrong.
- 43:55Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not saying you're not wrong. Women,
- 43:58Speaker 5: it takes a lot more, I think, especially as of
- 44:00Speaker 5: a certain age, to act on intimacy when you're in love.
- 44:04Speaker 6: I just had a high thought immediately, the high thought,
- 44:10Speaker 6: and niggas, I'm not gonna like this, maybe they will.
- 44:14Speaker 4: I think that from all the data that you've.
- 44:17Speaker 6: Just shared, data, all the information I've been hearing that
- 44:21Speaker 6: if a woman cheats, she needs a lot more like
- 44:23Speaker 6: she deserves a pass. I feel like if a woman cheats,
- 44:26Speaker 6: she deserves a past number one. All nigga to get
- 44:28Speaker 6: cheating women a past number one. I just feel like,
- 44:33Speaker 6: I mean, because generally, if you're cheating, I think it's
- 44:37Speaker 6: you're right, Because I mean, I can only speak for
- 44:39Speaker 6: myself and I can speak for like the data that
- 44:40Speaker 6: I've done amongst my friends that generally, if a woman
- 44:43Speaker 6: is cheating, it is because there is something lacking in
- 44:47Speaker 6: her partnership that she has been ignored and has tried
- 44:51Speaker 6: to express herself and it has gone on deaf fears.
- 44:53Speaker 6: It's usually not just because they're the fine. Like maybe
- 44:56Speaker 6: when I was like eighteen, and I would just like
- 44:58Speaker 6: I just wanted to try things and really in love. Yeah,
- 45:01Speaker 6: like when you're like when you're when you're older, I
- 45:04Speaker 6: would say that there's like a little more substance. However,
- 45:06Speaker 6: trauma still shows up and the need for attention and
- 45:09Speaker 6: all those things are still present. So let's not ignore
- 45:10Speaker 6: those things. But I would say generally it is because
- 45:13Speaker 6: there's something lacking. And so basically my high thought is
- 45:16Speaker 6: it's your fault.
- 45:19Speaker 2: Well, no, that's toxic.
- 45:20Speaker 5: You know what I asked Orlando recently, I was like,
- 45:23Speaker 5: if I cheated on you, I asked recently, if I
- 45:25Speaker 5: cheated on you, would you be more mad? I said,
- 45:27Speaker 5: would you be more mad if it was like a
- 45:28Speaker 5: one off that lasted like six months, or would you
- 45:32Speaker 5: be mad if it were you be more mad if
- 45:34Speaker 5: you found out it was multiple people? And he said,
- 45:38Speaker 5: he said, if it was multiple people, I knew it
- 45:41Speaker 5: was a youth thing. And if it was one off,
- 45:43Speaker 5: I you know, one person for for long like a
- 45:47Speaker 5: period of time, it's a s problem. I think that's like,
- 45:51Speaker 5: that's true, that's a good questions.
- 45:53Speaker 2: I think I think that's strong. You know.
- 45:55Speaker 1: Also, I actually will be far more bothered about my
- 46:00Speaker 1: wife Pillow talking with a man about my business and
- 46:03Speaker 1: mentioning me to another man that actually being intimate, because.
- 46:07Speaker 5: It's a respect and a privacy thing.
- 46:09Speaker 2: Yeah, because like that that way is gonna make me
- 46:11Speaker 2: want to smoke everything.
- 46:13Speaker 5: Because now you're you're confiding in somebody.
- 46:16Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, like me trying to make me
- 46:17Speaker 1: seem weaker in front of another man.
- 46:20Speaker 2: That's making man crash. You know what I'm saying.
- 46:23Speaker 1: If you want to get your little box away, go
- 46:24Speaker 1: and get your little box away, and that's your's.
- 46:26Speaker 5: Your box, your little box away. I have a question.
- 46:30Speaker 4: We have some questions. I know we don't want to ask.
- 46:32Speaker 6: We don't have a lot of time, so I would
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- 47:00Speaker 6: nudes and not with men. But was wondering to like, hey,
- 47:02Speaker 6: should I send this to this nigga or not? Or
- 47:04Speaker 6: I felt sexy today? Like make give me some look,
- 47:07Speaker 6: give me some love.
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- 47:27Speaker 5: But we're doing a lot of talking in there. So
- 47:30Speaker 5: these questions. A couple of these questions come from Miss Toya.
- 47:33Speaker 5: Shout out to Miss Toya, came on a retreat this
- 47:35Speaker 5: last year, who was right here in La Hey, Carol,
- 47:40Speaker 5: she said, this is a good one. What what a
- 47:42Speaker 5: what lie about masculinity almost costs you love?
- 47:47Speaker 2: Mhm.
- 47:49Speaker 3: So.
- 47:50Speaker 1: So in my in my in my book Bulletproof Love,
- 47:52Speaker 1: I talk about an experience I have with I had
- 47:55Speaker 1: with my pops. My pops that raised me and based
- 47:59Speaker 1: off his trump like he was trying to help me,
- 48:01Speaker 1: but his trauma projecting. You know what I'm saying.
- 48:04Speaker 2: He was trying to help me, but it didn't work.
- 48:07Speaker 1: So basically he told me, if you want to have
- 48:10Speaker 1: a successful relationship, not verbating, but this is what he
- 48:13Speaker 1: was saying, if you want to have a successful relationship,
- 48:15Speaker 1: you keep your woman out your business. And I took
- 48:19Speaker 1: that with me and I did that and it almost
- 48:24Speaker 1: cost me everything. You know what I'm saying. It actually
- 48:26Speaker 1: had me moving in silence like that was the masculine
- 48:29Speaker 1: thing to do. And you know, when I dove in,
- 48:33Speaker 1: and I really understood when I dove in the scripture.
- 48:36Speaker 1: I understood because when you talk about marriage like marriage
- 48:40Speaker 1: was created by God. You have the institution of marriage
- 48:43Speaker 1: that was created by that turned it into a business.
- 48:45Speaker 2: But it was created by God.
- 48:46Speaker 1: So when you see how he created it, it's like,
- 48:49Speaker 1: if my wife is my helper, if she's my asset,
- 48:51Speaker 1: how can she help me if I'm keeping her out
- 48:53Speaker 1: of my business?
- 48:53Speaker 2: This is like completely illogical.
- 48:55Speaker 1: I have a business partner, and if you want to
- 48:58Speaker 1: have a successful business, keep your business partner out your Yeah,
- 49:00Speaker 1: like how and it cooked me and it's a lot
- 49:04Speaker 1: of rewiring.
- 49:05Speaker 2: So yeah, that's one of them for sure.
- 49:08Speaker 5: What does emotional safety look like from a man's perspective?
- 49:11Speaker 5: How can women provide emotional safety for a man?
- 49:16Speaker 2: It looks like creating an environment.
- 49:23Speaker 1: Where I feel safe enough to communicate my thoughts and
- 49:26Speaker 1: my truths to you without me feeling judged, without me
- 49:32Speaker 1: feeling ridiculed, without me having to pay for it later,
- 49:35Speaker 1: you know, without you bringing it up and to weaponize
- 49:41Speaker 1: my truth and using it against me when it's convenient.
- 49:44Speaker 2: Or when you're hurt. Right.
- 49:46Speaker 1: One of the one of one of my favorite attributes
- 49:49Speaker 1: about my wife as a wife is I can have
- 49:52Speaker 1: a conversation with her. I can tell her what my
- 49:55Speaker 1: thoughts are, what I'm dealing with her when I'm going
- 49:57Speaker 1: to She's not gonna make it about her. She's not
- 49:59Speaker 1: gonna like, she's not going to use it and be like, oh,
- 50:01Speaker 1: I need to put my guard up now because no, no, no.
- 50:03Speaker 2: She's gonna Okay, Well, how are you feeling well? What
- 50:07Speaker 2: do you want to do about that? You know what
- 50:09Speaker 2: I'm saying? Or do you need my help?
- 50:11Speaker 1: Or because there's times when I'm just venting to my
- 50:15Speaker 1: wife and I don't need help. I'm just kind of
- 50:16Speaker 1: need to put this here. And there's other times, like
- 50:19Speaker 1: there's certain time when I'll tell my wife I separate,
- 50:22Speaker 1: I want to talk right now, I'm talking to my friend.
- 50:24Speaker 1: I need my friend right now. My friend is just
- 50:27Speaker 1: I just need to listen to here. When I'm talking
- 50:29Speaker 1: to my wife, I need solution, I need my helper,
- 50:32Speaker 1: right So being able to separate the two, but yeah.
- 50:36Speaker 6: I think that's great advice, like the separating because I
- 50:39Speaker 6: think as people just in relation with people, not even
- 50:42Speaker 6: just in marriage, but in friendship.
- 50:44Speaker 4: Like the other day, was having a conversation with my friend.
- 50:47Speaker 6: And he was calling a check on me about something
- 50:49Speaker 6: and he was immediately giving me advice and I was like, hey,
- 50:52Speaker 6: I really I don't need advice, but I want to
- 50:54Speaker 6: talk to you, so if you can just listen and
- 50:56Speaker 6: we can just talk in that way, and he was like, okay, cool.
- 51:00Speaker 6: But I think we often like people know that people
- 51:02Speaker 6: at this point in like listening to podcasts, you listen
- 51:05Speaker 6: to enough Enough wellness podcast, you listen to enough like
- 51:08Speaker 6: you know that you know these things are you can
- 51:10Speaker 6: do them. But it's a matter of feeling brave enough
- 51:12Speaker 6: to say to they're like, hey, I need you to
- 51:14Speaker 6: be my friend right now.
- 51:15Speaker 2: It's really important and in practice of it too, so.
- 51:18Speaker 6: It doesn't feel like and bringing that into your relationship
- 51:20Speaker 6: is transformational, I'm sure because your wife is able to
- 51:23Speaker 6: really like know really how to support you, and that's beautiful.
- 51:27Speaker 1: So yeah, in all relationships, right, I have two beautiful
- 51:30Speaker 1: little girls. My oldest I'll be fifteen in two months,
- 51:33Speaker 1: and my baby girl is six. And you know, as
- 51:37Speaker 1: a man, you have to be very intentional will creating
- 51:39Speaker 1: safety for your little girls, because there's a fine balance
- 51:43Speaker 1: between being the friend and being the father, you know
- 51:46Speaker 1: what I mean. But if I want, like my oldest,
- 51:49Speaker 1: like she's in high school now right, if I want
- 51:51Speaker 1: to be on the end, I have to I have
- 51:54Speaker 1: to create a pattern, you know what I mean of
- 51:56Speaker 1: her knowing she can come tell me something without being done.
- 51:58Speaker 2: I don't care what she tell me. Okay, there might
- 52:01Speaker 2: now now I'll let her know.
- 52:02Speaker 1: There's gonna be certain times why I might let you know,
- 52:04Speaker 1: Okay that's a little disappointing. Why because I know you
- 52:06Speaker 1: can do better, you know what I'm saying. But you're
- 52:08Speaker 1: not going to be judged. I'm not going to use
- 52:10Speaker 1: it against you. I'm not going to vilify you and
- 52:12Speaker 1: act like you're the worst person in the world. You
- 52:13Speaker 1: didn't do something today that I've never done or your
- 52:16Speaker 1: mama never done, and no one has ever done before.
- 52:19Speaker 1: So I think creating safety is in any relationship. Who
- 52:23Speaker 1: wants to share with somebody who's going to judge them, Well.
- 52:29Speaker 4: People don't even realize they're doing it, you know.
- 52:31Speaker 6: Like I've had to really work on how I ask
- 52:33Speaker 6: questions and like leading with a lot more hows and
- 52:36Speaker 6: what than I think or what do you like? Maybe
- 52:39Speaker 6: you should or you know, because we think that we're
- 52:42Speaker 6: we I think some people genuinely that's how they feel
- 52:45Speaker 6: like they're presenting themselves. And then that's kind of the
- 52:47Speaker 6: disruption in the relationship and it's actually like two people
- 52:49Speaker 6: that really actually want to show up for one another,
- 52:52Speaker 6: but they don't they don't know how to ask questions.
- 52:55Speaker 6: I feel like that's a lot of I feel like
- 52:57Speaker 6: when I what I hear from men a lot is
- 52:59Speaker 6: like the emotional safety that they want from women is
- 53:02Speaker 6: exactly what you just said, is the just like the
- 53:04Speaker 6: listening ear because as women, we want to nurture, we
- 53:07Speaker 6: want to fix, we want to improve, and sometimes I
- 53:10Speaker 6: feel like that is often like the communication break between
- 53:14Speaker 6: men and women is that it's that simple thing because
- 53:16Speaker 6: we actually want the same things. Like when we think
- 53:19Speaker 6: about it, right, we just we want to communicate, we
- 53:21Speaker 6: want to we want to build, we want to we
- 53:23Speaker 6: want to play our roles. So it's like about knowing
- 53:26Speaker 6: when to play that role and which role we're playing,
- 53:29Speaker 6: and being able to ask for that role to show
- 53:31Speaker 6: up and.
- 53:31Speaker 2: Go what I'm saying.
- 53:32Speaker 1: You have to know I have to be intentional about
- 53:34Speaker 1: being like, oh no, I actually don't need my wife
- 53:36Speaker 1: right now. I just need my friend and tell her
- 53:37Speaker 1: how I need her to show up. That comes with awareness, though,
- 53:39Speaker 1: you have to be able to know what you need
- 53:41Speaker 1: and don't. I don't need I don't need my fire,
- 53:43Speaker 1: I don't need big dog right now. I don't need
- 53:45Speaker 1: my dog to come. Listen to what I'm what I'm saying.
- 53:47Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
- 53:47Speaker 2: She and she's really good about that, you know, super
- 53:50Speaker 2: good about that.
- 53:51Speaker 5: And it's important to be like, like you said, self
- 53:53Speaker 5: aware because a lot of times we're just saying things
- 53:55Speaker 5: we're making it someone else's issue instead of being this
- 53:58Speaker 5: is what I need, and like asking for what you need,
- 54:01Speaker 5: like identifying the feeling, asking yourself first what do I need,
- 54:05Speaker 5: and then asking the person like handy your show up
- 54:07Speaker 5: in this way because a lot of times we're expecting
- 54:09Speaker 5: things from people. Hey, we don't even know what the
- 54:11Speaker 5: fuck we actually need because we haven't checked in with ourselves.
- 54:13Speaker 5: And then we're expecting things from people and they don't
- 54:15Speaker 5: know what you need and they don't read minds, and
- 54:17Speaker 5: then it creates this cycle of resentment that you know
- 54:21Speaker 5: that you can't come back from, and it can all
- 54:24Speaker 5: be cured by just simply knowing what you need and
- 54:27Speaker 5: asking for it.
- 54:28Speaker 1: That's why I always say I would if I could
- 54:30Speaker 1: start over from scratch, I wouldn't even I would never
- 54:32Speaker 1: even date before.
- 54:32Speaker 2: I wouldn't even date before thirty years old.
- 54:35Speaker 5: Literally, I mean I'm talking about don't go out.
- 54:38Speaker 1: Maybe I might hang out with friends, that's about dating.
- 54:42Speaker 1: I would never date anyone before we go to practice.
- 54:44Speaker 5: Well no, no, no no no, like long term waste
- 54:47Speaker 5: of time.
- 54:48Speaker 1: But also when you even when you're talking about sports,
- 54:50Speaker 1: like like I love who right? I agree with this no,
- 54:53Speaker 1: because because there's a certain thing that's practicing the marriage.
- 54:56Speaker 4: I think marriage is a different thing. I think dating
- 54:58Speaker 4: has to happen.
- 54:58Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a certain thing as seeing the wrong
- 55:00Speaker 2: way like.
- 55:02Speaker 6: Practically just it just wasting school for dating. You need
- 55:07Speaker 6: school for dating resolved. If the school for dating existing.
- 55:12Speaker 5: You know what that like, because then we wouldn't have
- 55:14Speaker 5: all these dumb ass gender wars, especially Black people. We
- 55:17Speaker 5: don't want to have these gender wars. When you work
- 55:20Speaker 5: on the table, it would be clear we could communicate,
- 55:24Speaker 5: if we could probably like heal love, we could heal
- 55:27Speaker 5: the world, if we could heal inner personal inner relationships
- 55:30Speaker 5: between men and women. Genuinely, it would it would. I
- 55:34Speaker 5: mean honestly, that's even in the black community. That's why
- 55:37Speaker 5: they've actually planted seeds of toxicity so that we wouldn't
- 55:40Speaker 5: figure it out. But this is people don't realize when
- 55:42Speaker 5: when I got the internet and we're on the internet
- 55:44Speaker 5: talking about dumb ass ship like who you gonna feed first,
- 55:47Speaker 5: the baby or the husband, and like like the stupid
- 55:50Speaker 5: ship that doesn't need to be discussed, Like are you
- 55:53Speaker 5: like we just removed the love and the basics out
- 55:56Speaker 5: of it. We do need to learn and there's so much,
- 55:59Speaker 5: there's so much trauma. Like slavery did a hell of
- 56:02Speaker 5: a job on trust, on love, on ownership, like it
- 56:07Speaker 5: really did a lot.
- 56:09Speaker 1: And so now you know what the biggest thing that
- 56:11Speaker 1: slavery did to us though, it made us anti Bible,
- 56:16Speaker 1: because the Bible was used to destroy us. That's why
- 56:20Speaker 1: they have they had a negro Bible where they they
- 56:22Speaker 1: took out the stuff that was good for us and
- 56:24Speaker 1: they left in stuff that was terrible.
- 56:26Speaker 2: It was nonsense.
- 56:27Speaker 1: I would love to come back sometime soon and have
- 56:31Speaker 1: a conversation and show.
- 56:32Speaker 6: You guys, you break down the scripture for us, I
- 56:35Speaker 6: will break down the second Are your pastor?
- 56:37Speaker 4: Are you pastor? Marcus Black?
- 56:40Speaker 5: They need religious not religious, not religious, like because I
- 56:45Speaker 5: have there's a lot of religious trauma people which which
- 56:49Speaker 5: religious trauma is deep.
- 56:51Speaker 2: They all experienced it.
- 56:53Speaker 1: But like when you talk about relationships, when I tell
- 56:56Speaker 1: you God gave us the perfect blueprint for it.
- 56:59Speaker 2: And we were all of it.
- 57:00Speaker 4: If you know we took religion out of it.
- 57:04Speaker 1: If we just take the institution, you know what I'm saying.
- 57:07Speaker 1: Like Jesus wasn't a Christian. Jesus was not into the
- 57:11Speaker 1: he was not under this institution of the No, when
- 57:15Speaker 1: we get into it and we know what it actually says,
- 57:18Speaker 1: it can help us when you see the double standards
- 57:21Speaker 1: that are in there, and you see why when you
- 57:23Speaker 1: see all the things that they told you're going to
- 57:24Speaker 1: go to Hell over God, and scripture never says it.
- 57:28Speaker 2: We will have I think.
- 57:29Speaker 1: I think I think we will have a breakthroughster Black.
- 57:37Speaker 1: I think I think if we if we take it's
- 57:40Speaker 1: gonna be a little longer. I think if we take
- 57:43Speaker 1: it like an hour and a half and.
- 57:44Speaker 4: We just walked, I would enjoy it.
- 57:47Speaker 5: I was.
- 57:47Speaker 6: I started reading the Bible this year, and when I
- 57:51Speaker 6: was told you, I don't know who I was telling
- 57:53Speaker 6: because I didn't tell anybody that I had been like
- 57:55Speaker 6: going to church and like just exploring what that means
- 58:00Speaker 6: to me and my discomfort with it and then all
- 58:03Speaker 6: but the thing that really revealed itself to me was
- 58:06Speaker 6: really reading the scripture and being like, damn, some of
- 58:08Speaker 6: these stories are lit. And then I was like, damn,
- 58:10Speaker 6: this actually makes a lot of sense. And then I'm like, yeah,
- 58:13Speaker 6: that doesn't mean what you're saying. It means why are
- 58:15Speaker 6: you what are you trying to do?
- 58:17Speaker 4: Stop that? You know so it's been like.
- 58:20Speaker 6: It's been affirming to my intuition around religion, which is like,
- 58:24Speaker 6: I don't fuck with it. But then it's also been
- 58:27Speaker 6: enlightening because I in a lot of ways because I
- 58:30Speaker 6: went to Catholic school, I was in religion class.
- 58:32Speaker 4: Bitch, I was high, which I was high as hell
- 58:36Speaker 4: I was.
- 58:38Speaker 6: I was trying to get through religious class, religion class, like,
- 58:40Speaker 6: that's what I was trying to do. I was trying
- 58:42Speaker 6: to get the A shut the fuck up because you're
- 58:43Speaker 6: talking some bullshit over there, talking about whatever and missing
- 58:47Speaker 6: the message, and so like as an adult being able
- 58:49Speaker 6: to read it, it's been it's been enlightening in ways,
- 58:53Speaker 6: and it's very how much highlighted, Like yeah, the religious
- 58:55Speaker 6: aspect if you pull it out of it and.
- 58:58Speaker 4: You look at it from like that's more a more
- 59:01Speaker 4: spiritual way research.
- 59:02Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
- 59:03Speaker 7: Let me tell you something.
- 59:06Speaker 1: The greatest asset to God would be women like you
- 59:11Speaker 1: knowing the truth about scripture because you guys are honest.
- 59:15Speaker 2: You guys are truth truth tellers.
- 59:17Speaker 1: You guys are blunt, you guys are gonna, you have
- 59:19Speaker 1: no problem calling cap you know what I'm saying, Like,
- 59:22Speaker 1: the world would be changed with women like you guys
- 59:25Speaker 1: knowing the truth.
- 59:26Speaker 4: Could you imagine do you imagine us going around with
- 59:28Speaker 4: our bibles the city?
- 59:30Speaker 2: The city?
- 59:31Speaker 5: I can see it right now, And just.
- 59:35Speaker 2: From just calling cap like, hey, y'all said that this
- 59:37Speaker 2: is nonsense. God never said that.
- 59:39Speaker 4: Excuse me, I don't think you're right.
- 59:43Speaker 5: We're not here to turn you.
- 59:44Speaker 4: We're just going on tour, but not the same, not
- 59:47Speaker 4: that kind of tour.
- 59:50Speaker 6: Gone.
- 59:50Speaker 4: No, actually no, no I'm not. I'm being silly. But
- 59:54Speaker 4: I also I understand what you're saying. I understand.
- 59:57Speaker 5: No, I mean I'd rather know the information for myself.
- 1:00:00Speaker 5: I visited, I went, I studied the Bible, but not
- 1:00:04Speaker 5: in years because I do it puts a religion, put
- 1:00:07Speaker 5: a bad taste in my mouth for a lot of reasons.
- 1:00:09Speaker 4: I mean, I'm trying.
- 1:00:10Speaker 5: I would rather know the information than that.
- 1:00:12Speaker 1: Yeah, studying the Bible is a lot, you know what
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you have certain people who read the Bible,
- 1:00:19Speaker 1: but then studying is a whole other world. Yeah, you
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: gotta know that the Bible was written in Hebrew, Ara, Maic,
- 1:00:25Speaker 1: in Greek. Right, So if you're not sitting up cross
- 1:00:28Speaker 1: referencing the languages you're already, You're already on the outs.
- 1:00:33Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because trying to make it
- 1:00:35Speaker 1: make sense. This is why people think that, oh well,
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: the Bible contradicts itself. The Bible has no contradictions. If
- 1:00:40Speaker 1: you see a contradiction, you probably doesn't know. You probably
- 1:00:43Speaker 1: don't know what what this actually means.
- 1:00:45Speaker 2: You just got to study.
- 1:00:46Speaker 6: I think it's important to read as many ancient texts
- 1:00:49Speaker 6: as you can. Why would I want to live in
- 1:00:52Speaker 6: this life without any information about the best way people
- 1:00:57Speaker 6: before me?
- 1:00:58Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 1:00:58Speaker 4: And yeah, and so it's just I think.
- 1:01:01Speaker 1: That, and then people people go grab other books and
- 1:01:03Speaker 1: that people stay away from the Bible. They be like, well,
- 1:01:05Speaker 1: it's man made. Every book you read is man made.
- 1:01:08Speaker 1: Everything that you know is information passed down from another man.
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: But you want to ex out this book, which is
- 1:01:13Speaker 1: not logical. But this was a good time, ladies, I know,
- 1:01:16Speaker 1: thank you for coming.
- 1:01:16Speaker 5: I know it's one of eight right now when need
- 1:01:19Speaker 5: your affirmation. Share a lot of jams, but look, aff affirmation.
- 1:01:24Speaker 2: Hold on because I wrote it down.
- 1:01:26Speaker 1: No, because last time y'all just sprung it on me
- 1:01:28Speaker 1: and I wasn't ready and I was like, what's that
- 1:01:32Speaker 1: not today, he does have smart.
- 1:01:33Speaker 4: Ship to say off the top of your.
- 1:01:35Speaker 2: Head, I'm very calculated.
- 1:01:38Speaker 7: No, you know what.
- 1:01:39Speaker 4: I love to feel prepared for things.
- 1:01:42Speaker 1: So marks black affirmations. Okay, I take ownership of my life,
- 1:01:51Speaker 1: my choices, and my healing. I don't blame my past.
- 1:01:55Speaker 1: I learned from it. I lead with integrity, I love
- 1:01:58Speaker 1: with intention, and I moved with wisdom. I'm disciplined, emotionally mature,
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: built for longevity.
- 1:02:09Speaker 2: Did like that? That beautiful damn?
- 1:02:12Speaker 5: I say, I, Shay, I have to write that one
- 1:02:15Speaker 5: down for the post it I send it to y'all.
- 1:02:21Speaker 5: Thank you for for dropping in with us today and
- 1:02:24Speaker 5: sharing your wisdom. I appreciate that.
- 1:02:26Speaker 2: So we are we going to do the part? The
- 1:02:28Speaker 2: part to come on?
- 1:02:29Speaker 4: Let's do it?
- 1:02:30Speaker 6: How do we You're gonna sit here in the middle.
- 1:02:32Speaker 6: We're gonna sit there because how we we all have
- 1:02:35Speaker 6: our Bibles.
- 1:02:35Speaker 4: You tell us what page to open?
- 1:02:37Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
- 1:02:38Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to order one.
- 1:02:39Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.
- 1:02:40Speaker 4: Well, you know I have one. My mom has a.
- 1:02:42Speaker 5: Couple of them over there.
- 1:02:43Speaker 4: I almost took the Christian left the Bible on my doorstep.
- 1:02:47Speaker 4: My phone said, I need Jesus.
- 1:02:49Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 1:02:50Speaker 4: I just had a pink.
- 1:02:51Speaker 5: I remember I have this.
- 1:02:54Speaker 2: Section on my phone.
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: You see, I got I got the Holy Bible right there,
- 1:02:57Speaker 1: I got the toy right here, and I even got
- 1:03:00Speaker 1: the corona here.
- 1:03:01Speaker 5: I mean you should all the Holy Text.
- 1:03:03Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go into it later. I'll make a loven.
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: Just start going down the street too.
- 1:03:09Speaker 2: Well.
- 1:03:09Speaker 6: I'm I'm grateful that you've done your you're doing your
- 1:03:13Speaker 6: due diligence, and you're educating yourself and for the work
- 1:03:16Speaker 6: you've done, just as someone who speaks very candidly and
- 1:03:20Speaker 6: empowers people to understand love so that we can all
- 1:03:23Speaker 6: be in togetherness together and that we can save our families,
- 1:03:26Speaker 6: and that we can grow and evolve and be good humans.
- 1:03:31Speaker 5: So thank you teaching our kids how to love and
- 1:03:33Speaker 5: learning how to love is literally.
- 1:03:35Speaker 4: Thank you being good to your wife. Thank you for
- 1:03:37Speaker 4: being a good man to your wife.
- 1:03:38Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm actually going to one of
- 1:03:41Speaker 1: these times. I'm gonna bring her up here. I would
- 1:03:42Speaker 1: love we would love to have tick tack. The other
- 1:03:45Speaker 1: day and this lady was like, I want to hear
- 1:03:47Speaker 1: from Brook because how we know you actually living like that?
- 1:03:49Speaker 4: Imagine Brook is in the corner like a battered.
- 1:03:52Speaker 2: Not because we've seen it, because we've seen this before.
- 1:03:55Speaker 1: No, it's funny, but we've seen this before. We've seen
- 1:03:57Speaker 1: we have you know, we've seen the gurus.
- 1:04:00Speaker 7: Yeah, just like yeah, so no, I'll bring it through.
- 1:04:09Speaker 7: But listen the Bible study of you fire.
- 1:04:12Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do it.
- 1:04:13Speaker 6: I'm down, well, y'all. We love you, and happy Valentine's Day.
- 1:04:20Speaker 6: I hope that you love yourself today. Do something kind
- 1:04:23Speaker 6: for yourself, do something kind for your partner, or just
- 1:04:26Speaker 6: shake the mass in your house, do something.
- 1:04:28Speaker 5: Cook yourself a meal for yourself, some wine or some tea.
- 1:04:32Speaker 5: Just yeah, go to the jacuzzi.
- 1:04:37Speaker 6: And if you're around this summertime, come to the Good
- 1:04:40Speaker 6: Fiber Tree. We have two retreats this summer in Costa Rica,
- 1:04:44Speaker 6: our favorite place on Earth. It's about time that you
- 1:04:46Speaker 6: fucking come. We've talked about it at length, so I'm
- 1:04:49Speaker 6: not really going to go into all the details. I'm
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- 1:05:38Speaker 4: Anyway, what's you guys next week?
- 1:05:39Speaker 3: Bye bye please?
- 1:05:41Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm living this so good? Can't you tell? I
- 1:05:44Speaker 2: went through a drought?
- 1:05:45Speaker 3: That's until I find a well may might have been
- 1:05:47Speaker 3: known Earth that used to be broken? Tell now got
- 1:05:49Speaker 3: the blues dancer like Beyonce Jasell throat shot or pop
- 1:05:53Speaker 3: in this cow wearing our voices patriarch and catch it
- 1:05:56Speaker 3: in the box to what'spoil this? Women put the pia powers,
- 1:05:59Speaker 3: So what's pointless? They want me to be good, so
- 1:06:01Speaker 3: I make that choices. Bad mom, not a bad mom,
- 1:06:04Speaker 3: but a bad mom. It he's in on the cannabus
- 1:06:07Speaker 3: in their bathbon walked in Boscels cap and I blewis
- 1:06:10Speaker 3: cat boss hot dog.
- 1:06:11Speaker 4: Now I'm immune to.
- 1:06:12Speaker 3: The cat called Herbie in the waisted straight to it
- 1:06:14Speaker 3: like a dollar sign. Mother, rent the lover when two
- 1:06:17Speaker 3: with it like a watersooning where you're rent the winter
- 1:06:19Speaker 3: essential will when the summertime.
- 1:06:21Speaker 2: I do what doll ain't know one that needs to
- 1:06:22Speaker 2: run it by