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Celebrity Besties · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, Entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hello, dear listener.
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  You are just in time for another episode
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  of the Pop Culture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm Olivia.
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  - And I'm Shauna.
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  - And on our last episode,
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  we talked about celebrity feuds.
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  So we're hitting you with an Uno Reverse for this one.
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  And we're talking about our favorite celebrity besties,
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  the duos that we cannot get enough of,
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  just like Shauna and I,
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  your favorite celebrity besties.
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  - Obviously.
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  - But before we dive into the friendships
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  that make Pop Culture,
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  we need to talk about the Patreon.
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  We think that aside from Shauna and I being besties
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  that our Patreon listeners are truly our besties.
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  So we do have a Patreon you can choose to express
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  just how much you like us at the casual fan level
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  of $1 a month will give you a special shout out
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  on an episode of the show.
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  And at the obsessed fan level of $5 a month,
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  you'll get access to our uncensored video version
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  of the podcast up to a week early,
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  which is an unbeatable value.
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  - Yes it is.
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  - So Shauna, before we dive into celebrity friendships,
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  I wanted to pick your brain.
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  What makes a good friendship to you?
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  - You mean just like in general?
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah.
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  - What makes an iconic bestie do you?
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  - You're hitting me with the deep shit today.
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  (laughing)
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  I literally sent you a Snapchat today
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  of what I thought makes a good friend, which is so funny.
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  So, and I said in my Snapchat from earlier
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  that a really true friend sees the best in you
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  and that they in their heart know that you're a good person,
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  they believe in you and they always know
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  that you have their back too.
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  So your friend is always gonna see the best in you,
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  know that you have good intentions
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  and if you get into a disagreement,
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  just work it out and talk it over.
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  But you're always gonna have each other's backs,
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  I think is what makes a good friend.
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  - Yeah, I also think like celebrating each other's wins
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  is a bit piece of that.
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  Like you're kind of always that person's biggest supporter
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  or you're always rooting them on.
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  When you're not in a room, they're talking positively about you
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  and really just making those positive friendships
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  or positive energy. - There's not a good petition.
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  - Exactly, like if I see something amazing happen to you,
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  I'm not gonna be like, oh man, Olivia got to move away,
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  got a raise, no, I'm like ragging everyone.
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  Olivia got to move away and she's having
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  this wonderful apartment and like, you know what I mean?
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  So I totally agree with that.
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  You hype each other up behind each other's backs
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  and to each other's faces.
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  - Yes, absolutely.
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  And you know, there are so many iconic celebrity friendships
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  over the years that we've seen, you know,
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  across female and male friendships, you know,
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  when I think of iconic celebrity friends,
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  I think of people like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.
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  We have Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
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  We have Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift.
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  We have Leonardo DiCaprio and Toby McGuire.
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  We talked about her last week.
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  She was also in an iconic feud.
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  We have Snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart, you know?
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  - I love that so much.
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  I also love that some of the people that were saying
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  from their famous friendships also are in famous feuds
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  like Taylor Swift.
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  But I guess that happens.
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  You're gonna have your besties
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  and you're gonna have your enemies.
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  - Love and hate is a thin line, you know?
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  - You know what I mean?
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  - You know, you love good, you hate good.
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  - That's fair, that's fair.
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  - I don't know if they say that, but, you know.
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  - You know what they say?
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  Well, you put a sandwich together on the streets.
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  You gotta put the mustard on the bun.
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  That's what people have been saying.
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  - That's what the people are saying.
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  - That's what the people are saying.
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  - We didn't get a newsboard at Transatlantic accent.
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  - Oh, when you put the mustard on the bun
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  and the middle of the street.
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  God damn it.
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  - And that's true friendship.
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  Making your friend say everything in a newsboard.
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  - Yes.
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  And knowing how to make each other laugh.
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  - That's the truth.
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  Brad Pitt and George Clooney are a classic friendship pairing.
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  You put this one on the list, I guess.
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  Kendall Jenner and Gigi Hadid.
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  Are they best friends?
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  - Yeah, they are really good friends.
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  They're kind of iconic together.
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  They're model besties, you know?
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  - Oh my god, that's like a thing.
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  - Yeah.
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  I mean twins.
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  - twins, it's basically us walking the runway together
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  and not eating.
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  - Yeah, this one's for Nicole.
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  - Oh, Jennifer, and Kourtney Cox.
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  - Yeah.
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  - You can have a nice, you know?
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  - I do love that the whole friend's cast is still like friends.
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  It's very sweet.
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  - I love that.
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  - Yeah, absolutely.
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  - So what do you think?
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  I don't know, I feel like it's so hard
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  and there is that classic trope
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  in Hollywood that marriages never last.
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  Why do you think some celebrity friendships last so long?
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  - When I think about celebrity friendships
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  and what we know about celebrity friendships,
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  a lot of the time in publicity and celebrity PR,
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  they always say that, you know, one plus one
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  does not equal to a lot of the time.
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  It really explodes you into a different level
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  because you have two fandoms coming together
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  and as well as two haters of different things.
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  Like one plus one is almost like four
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  within any type of relationship,
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  whether it's romantic, it's friendships
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  or it's a negative relationship where you have feuds.
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  And ultimately, I think that there is a financial reason
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  to stay friends as well.
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  And then I think there is this sort of trauma bond
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  that happens between famous people
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  where I especially feel like an a less celebrity.
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  There are only so many people who can relate
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  to the experience of celebrity and fandom
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  and stand on.
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  - That's what I'm thinking too.
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  It's like only a celebrity could also put up
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  with you being followed around, right?
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  Like, Kindle and GG.
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  I mean, you can't just be friends with Kindle Jenner
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  and not be okay with, you're gonna get photographed at brunch.
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  You're gonna get photographed at the mall.
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  You can't just do normal shit like you and I
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  just go thrifting and sit at the bar and have a beer, right?
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  It's gonna be next level.
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  Like you have to know what you're signing up for.
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  And I do always like it when I see pictures and articles
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  and stuff of celebrities who still have their friends
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  from childhood.
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  - Yep.
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  - Hillary Duff posts a lot of pictures with just like
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  a big gaggle of girls and then I'll go to some other profiles
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  and they have like a thousand followers.
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  And I'm like, oh, that's just like her friend
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  from like growing up and I love to do that too.
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  But again, I mean, that's Hillary Duffers
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  like Kindle Jenner, like levels of fame.
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  So it's like, I don't know.
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  I would be curious, you know, how often really
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  fucking famous people are just like,
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  let me catch up with that girl from high school.
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  - Yeah, I almost think of like so, you know,
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  it's shocker we're talking about her.
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  Taylor Swift.
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  She is still really good friends with Abigail,
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  who's the girl that she wrote 15 about.
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  - Oh, cute.
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  - And Abigail has become a like,
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  Swiftie celebrity in her own right.
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  And there are certain types of people who are chasing that.
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  But I can only imagine like as a plebe as a regular person
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  who only wants to be a regular person,
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  that would be incredibly hard where like people
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  are even trying to get close to this regular person
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  because they could eventually one day get close to that celebrity.
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  - Very frustrating.
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  Or they're just like, you think you're making a new friend.
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  So what's Taylor like?
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  I don't even like me.
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  - You do?
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  - Yes.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So I think that among those friendships,
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  there's a level of knowing and like shared experience
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  and kind of like similar states, right?
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  Like, oh, I would love to go to Jenner with you,
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  but I have to bring my six bodyguards.
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  Or if you want to post a picture with me,
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  you have to meet with my publicist before
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  and make sure you're not like saying the wrong thing.
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  Oh, if you want to even be around me,
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  you have to be perfectly clean on social media.
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  You can't have a problematic past.
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  Where I think there is this level of that.
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  But at the same time, you know, Hollywood is a very
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  doggy dog world.
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  So I think that a month, like the reason that we gravitate
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  to so many of these celebrity friendships
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  as well is because when we see that solidarity among people,
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  we're like, oh, good, they're not like
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  - They're just like a beauty.
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  - They're not, yeah.
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  - They're not all pieces of shit.
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  My fave lady Gaga has some of her old friends
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  still from back before she was famous.
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  One of her best friends, it's either Sonya or Sanja Durum
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  passed away from cancer years ago
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  and Gaga was just, I remember, so grief-stricken.
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  And then she is still friends with Lady Starlight.
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  - Who started - who were touring with Gaga
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  when she was first in the New York club,
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  seeing it was like the Lady Gaga Lady Starlight debut review.
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  Like it was the two of them.
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  And so they're still friends.
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  So I do like to see that, but I agree.
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  You gotta know what you're signing up for
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  when you're friends with a celebrity.
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  - Which is what we tell our friends all the time.
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  - Yeah. - You know.
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  - You gotta be prepared for this.
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  - I'm gonna prepare this space.
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  - We'll send you with a bridge.
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  - Right.
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  - We stopped in the streets.
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  I hope that's okay.
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  (laughing)
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  Oh, that's just because we're obnoxious in public.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Okay, okay, okay.
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  You got it, got it.
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  (dramatic music)
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  - We talked a little bit about celebrity duos
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  that are most commonly known or talked about
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  in the zeitgeist in the world.
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  But, Shana, I wanna know the celebrity duos
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  that captivate you the most.
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  The ones that you find yourself thinking about
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  and thinking rich people goals.
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  - Who do I think about when I lay in bed at night?
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  (laughing)
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  - That's a different question.
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  That's a different question.
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  - Oprah.
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  (laughing)
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  - So I think-- - Let's unpack that.
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  Let's unpack that.
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  - Let's go through this a little bit.
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  Oprah is goals.
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  And part of one of the most iconic friendships,
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  I think, in entertainment,
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  and that is Oprah Winfrey and Gail King.
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  Their friendship has spanned nearly five decades.
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  So, their friendship began in 1976
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  when they were both working at the WJZ TV station in Baltimore.
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  Oprah was a 22-year-old news anchor
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  and Gail was the 21-year-old production assistant.
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  There was a snowstorm in Baltimore
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  and Oprah offered Gail a place to stay at her apartment
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  and they just stayed up all night,
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  chatting and became best friends.
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  - You kidding me?
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  - Oh, okay.
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  - Love that.
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  Their friendship was just unshakable and still is.
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  Gail was on the Oprah show all of the time.
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  Just literally, here's my best friend, Gail.
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  Oprah had a magazine called O,
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  mm-hmm, which ran from 2000 to 2020
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  and Gail was an editor.
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  And Oprah has said that Gail is the person who knows her best
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  and as referred to as the mother,
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  I never had the sister everybody would want.
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  The friend everybody deserves.
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  And like any good girl on girl friendship
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  and I guess boy and boy friendship, any good friendship ever.
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  People have always speculated that they might be more than friends.
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  - Ooh, yes.
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  - It's not a celebrity female friendship unless they say,
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  are you two, Sizzling?
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  - Are you guys like Gail?
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  - Are you like Sizzling?
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  - I just, you know, people ever say that
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  about Ben Aff, like I'm at Damon, do they?
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  - Do they?
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  - Yeah, there are a lot of game rumors about that.
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  - Are there?
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  - I don't know if they're Sizzling or Ring.
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  I don't know if that's the mechanics of it.
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  - I don't think that's what Gail guys do.
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  - I don't think they're Sizzling or Ring.
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  - I don't think they're Sizzling or Ring.
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  - Bum, butt, butt.
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  - Light to butt.
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  (laughing)
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  - Airstri, airstri, airstri.
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  (laughing)
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  That is such a dark part of the movie
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  and I quote it all of the time.
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  - Anyway, how can you not?
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  - Repaying for a drink.
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  - Sizzling.
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  - Oh, thank you.
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  Yes.
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  - Terrible, horrible, wonderful movie.
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  Anyway, Oprah and Gail.
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  - Oh, that's cool.
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  - Oprah has been with Steadman for decades
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  and Gail came out to be married now.
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  His name is William Bumpus, which is an old name.
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  That's a cool fucking, oh never mind.
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  They were married for one year.
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  - Oh.
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  - I don't think she's--
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  - Oh, that didn't help the gay rumours.
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  - No.
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  (laughing)
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  They were married for one year.
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  I don't think she's married anymore.
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  - Well, yeah, Gail Bumpus.
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  - Gail Bumpus is a sick fucking name.
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  And then the next cool result is
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  are Oprah and Gail in a relationship?
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  (laughing)
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  A friendship line.
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  But yeah, I love them.
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  I think that Oprah is one of the most famous people
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  in the entire planet.
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  And for her to have a female friendship
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  that has lasted five decades,
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  where they support each other privately,
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  publicly vacations, all of that stuff,
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  support each other.
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  It's like you mentioned earlier,
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  always rooting for each other.
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  That'd be like if I had Shana Magazine
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  and you were an editor, you had like,
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  oh yeah, and I can see it and I was the editor.
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  Like, I love that.
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  So--
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  - Absolutely.
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  - Oh, Brango.
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  - We can even keep it as, oh, oh my God.
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  We could call it so magazine, like Shana, I don't love it.
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  So--
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  - Branding.
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  - Let's do it.
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  - I should start in a magazine.
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  We're channeling Oprah and Gail.
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  - And we are.
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  - So I think when I think back
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  to my most iconic celebrity friendship,
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  one I would wanna be a part of, a third wheel,
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  I would wanna be either of them.
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  I really think of Cameron Diaz and Drew Barrymore.
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  - Yes, I love them.
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  - Their friendship has spanned since Drew Barrymore
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  was 14, Cameron Diaz was 16,
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  they actually now--
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  - I think that was that long.
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  - Oh my gosh, yeah.
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  - Yeah, they're adorable.
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  So they met in a coffee shop that Diaz was working in.
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  She was a model at the time.
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  She hadn't gotten picked up in anything really famous
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  and she was mainly trying to be a model.
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  It was like a coffee soda shop thing.
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  - Oh, okay.
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  - And Drew Barrymore when she wasn't clubbing at 14.
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  - Right, she's going to this coffee shop.
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  - And we heard autobiography, by the way,
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  Little Girl Law.
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  - I think it's on, it's insane.
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  Like, it's kind of interesting.
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  So I don't know if she's retracted this.
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  She has said that she doesn't want people to read that.
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  - Really?
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  - And he wore it because, yeah,
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  she was in such like a dark place
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  and it wasn't like authentic or true.
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  And she was really kind of like covering up
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  what was really going on with her back then.
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  So, but I mean, if you've already been--
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  - Drew, release an updated book.
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  I read it in high school.
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  I think I wrote a book report on it.
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  - Like, that's a dark subject matter.
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  But if you, our unfamiliar Drew Barrymore was going through
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  a addiction or her mother was taking her clubbing,
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  she was doing a lot of things that are 14,
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  even younger than that, Lynette.
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  - Yeah, she's like a girl.
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  - She's like 14 year old.
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  - She should not be doing.
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  And so she was kind of in this dark night of the soul.
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  Her and Cameradia's were friends throughout this.
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  Drew Barrymore kind of went out in spotlight,
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  went to rehab, tried to fix herself.
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  Cameradia's became super famous in the mask in 1994.
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  And Drew Barrymore came back as like Poison Ivy in 1992.
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  - Oh, yeah.
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  - They made the early 80s, made this return to film
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  in the 90s.
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  And we're both seen as these kind of darlings of film.
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  And cinema, we were really introduced to them
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  as this iconic duo in Charlie's Angels with Lucy Lou.
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  Yeah.
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  - Yes, you've probably seen that iconic photo of Drew
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  in the leather pants holding the bottle of champagne.
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  Their tour bus actually broke down on the way to the premiere.
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  And so they just get out of the car
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  and bring the alcohol with them and walk to the premiere.
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  And that's where that goes from.
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  - That sounds like me and you, all this time.
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  - Like, Scroa.
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  - Yeah, I just got an opportunity to shoot with it.
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  (laughing)
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  - So Drew Barrymore produced Charlie's Angels
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  and ultimately their friendship continued through those movies
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  and has continued.
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  - How cute.
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  - They stayed really close when I forgot about this.
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  Drew Barrymore was married to Tom Green
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  for also one year.
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  - Oh, that's right.
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  He was in Charlie's Angels.
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  The Chad was great.
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  - The Chad was great.
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  - She's like, yes.
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  - How was the Chad?
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  - Yes, God.
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  - You know, there were some ups and downs,
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  manly down being marrying Tom Green.
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  We all make choices.
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  They've remained private friends, public friends.
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  They have really kind of made a return recently
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  to embracing their friendship
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  and really talking about each other.
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  They have some adorable Instagram posts
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  about how much they love each other.
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  So definitely check out their Instagram for that.
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  - How cute.
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  I didn't know that they had known each other for that long.
• 18:01
  That's adorable.
• 18:02
  - Yeah, so they met when Drew was super down
• 18:05
  who's still famous, but Dee was not a household name,
• 18:09
  but it's a beautiful friendship
• 18:12
  and Drew Barrymore unfortunately was a scab this past year,
• 18:17
  but I do love her.
• 18:18
  I think she's been through a lot.
• 18:19
  - I like her a lot too.
• 18:20
  I'll cut her some slack.
• 18:22
  I think she seems like she means well,
• 18:24
  she seems like she has a really big heart.
• 18:26
  Apparently not for union workers,
• 18:30
  no, not for union workers.
• 18:32
  (laughing)
• 18:33
  For everyone else to take unions.
• 18:35
  - Anyone who's sitting on the sofa,
• 18:37
  she's like wants to crawl into their lap
• 18:39
  - Absolutely.
• 18:40
  - to their skin, their face, like,
• 18:42
  can I keep you in my walls?
• 18:43
  Yeah, so.
• 18:45
  - Literally.
• 18:45
  - So funny.
• 18:47
  - So yeah, I think that's my most iconic.
• 18:50
  - I love that.
• 18:51
  (dramatic music)
• 18:54
  We're talking about female friendships,
• 18:57
  but I think that's just because we love each other so much.
• 19:00
  There are a lot of amazing male friendships out there,
• 19:03
  obviously too.
• 19:04
  And I think there should be more men who express their love
• 19:07
  for the other men in a friendship manner
• 19:09
  and without making, I don't know.
• 19:12
  Guys are always so weird about expressing
• 19:13
  that they like each other.
• 19:14
  It's like you ask,
• 19:15
  ask my husband who is best friend
• 19:17
  and he's just like,
• 19:18
  (grunting)
• 19:20
  - What?
• 19:21
  - Who?
• 19:22
  - Oh, yeah, I guess he's okay.
• 19:25
  - That man that you've known for 30 years is okay.
• 19:27
  All right, I digress.
• 19:28
  (laughing)
• 19:30
  - Female friendships is where it's at.
• 19:33
  This one is sad,
• 19:35
  but I think it is amazing and iconic and beautiful
• 19:38
  Sarah Michelle Geller and Shannon Doherty.
• 19:41
  So they shared a close friendship that began
• 19:43
  in the late 1990s and early 2000s
• 19:46
  during both of their peak television fame.
• 19:49
  And it continued up until Shannon Doherty's death last year.
• 19:52
  So here's a little break down.
• 19:55
  So Sarah and Shannon were both in TV in the 1990s.
• 19:59
  Sarah obviously was buffy, my favorite,
• 20:02
  a buffy the vampire slayer
• 20:04
  and Shannon was prue, hollow, well, uncharmed.
• 20:07
  So they were both kind of in that fantasy,
• 20:10
  witch and slayer type television series.
• 20:13
  - Both on the WB.
• 20:14
  - They were both on the WB, exactly.
• 20:17
  So they both shared a connection, shared experiences,
• 20:21
  young actresses on the WB,
• 20:23
  kind of met through those cast things.
• 20:26
  So throughout their careers,
• 20:28
  they have been absolutely inseparable.
• 20:31
  Soma Blayer is part of that friendship career as well.
• 20:34
  Their pictures on Instagram were always so adorable.
• 20:38
  I remember one with the three of them doing that trend
• 20:41
  where it's like, you and I should try this at the time.
• 20:44
  I'm surprised we have it.
• 20:45
  One person sits like between another person's legs,
• 20:48
  like almost in their lap,
• 20:49
  who puts a champagne glass in their mouth
• 20:51
  and like, it's sit back and tries to get,
• 20:53
  they're like, champagne in the other girl's mouth.
• 20:55
  Anyway, it always ends in disaster.
• 20:57
  - We're trying to get a shower.
• 20:59
  - What's your contest?
• 21:00
  - A little golden shower.
• 21:03
  - Okay, not bad.
• 21:04
  - Oh god.
• 21:05
  - I meant, I meant Pino N' War.
• 21:06
  Oh god.
• 21:07
  Anyway, these two queens have gotten invocations together.
• 21:12
  They shared a mutual love of cooking and entertaining,
• 21:16
  personal life milestones,
• 21:17
  each other to support each other's with babies
• 21:19
  and weddings.
• 21:20
  Shannon Doherty was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2015.
• 21:25
  She went into remission, but unfortunately,
• 21:28
  it returned as stage four in 2020.
• 21:31
  Sarah Michelle Geller publicly supported Doherty
• 21:34
  on social media all the time.
• 21:36
  Throughout her struggle was always visiting her,
• 21:39
  always posting pictures about her.
• 21:41
  Tragically, Shannon did pass away in July 2024.
• 21:45
  Since then, Sarah Michelle Geller has posted
• 21:48
  a lot of tributes to her friend, Shannon,
• 21:51
  highlighting their friendship over the past three decades.
• 21:55
  She praised her strength, resilience,
• 21:57
  and fighting spirit throughout her battle of cancer.
• 22:01
  So, very sad, ended, you know, short,
• 22:06
  I don't know, that just breaks my heart.
• 22:08
  I can't imagine losing your best friend of 30 years like that.
• 22:11
  So, heart goes out to Sarah Michelle Geller
• 22:14
  and that is a beautiful friendship
• 22:17
  that she should always celebrate in whole close.
• 22:20
  - I would do anything to be besties
• 22:22
  with Sarah Michelle Geller.
• 22:23
  - Oh my god, right.
• 22:24
  I know, and I know her and Selma Blair are still friends.
• 22:28
  Selma has, I liked her so much
• 22:31
  and she's definitely made some weird comments
• 22:34
  in the last year about like Islam
• 22:37
  and just, I don't know, she has some interesting
• 22:41
  public statements that she's made.
• 22:43
  - Yeah, she's also very good.
• 22:45
  - Yeah, she's also going through MS.
• 22:48
  - Yes, she is going through a huge, you know,
• 22:51
  health crisis that I could never imagine either.
• 22:53
  So, but yeah, Sarah Michelle Geller
• 22:55
  hanging on to her girlfriends and her husband, listen.
• 22:59
  - Yeah.
• 23:00
  - She has also been with her husband,
• 23:01
  Freddie Prince Jr. for decades.
• 23:03
  So, my girl doesn't just love a mendigem.
• 23:06
  She holds on to that.
• 23:08
  - It's all good.
• 23:10
  - I mean, we'll stop believing in love
• 23:12
  if they ain't ever good to divorce.
• 23:14
  - Oh my god, no, if they get a divorce,
• 23:15
  I'm getting a divorce.
• 23:16
  Like it's gonna happen.
• 23:17
  (laughing)
• 23:18
  - Sarah Michelle Geller said I had to, I'm sorry.
• 23:20
  - I'm so sorry.
• 23:21
  - I don't believe them up anymore.
• 23:22
  - I have to end this.
• 23:25
  (laughing)
• 23:26
  - I'm just kidding, babe.
• 23:27
  I'm just kidding.
• 23:28
  - He's not listening here to say.
• 23:30
  - He's not listening.
• 23:31
  - He's playing Marvel rivals right now
• 23:33
  with his headphones onto, I'm sure he's not.
• 23:36
  - So, I think that this friendship,
• 23:40
  it really is a testament to the shared trauma bond
• 23:44
  of it all that happens as well.
• 23:47
  So, the next friendship that I really, really love
• 23:49
  and started at a very young age as well
• 23:52
  is Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams.
• 23:55
  - Oh yeah, they're so cute.
• 23:57
  Are they still friends?
• 23:58
  - Yes, they are.
• 23:59
  So, they are Sansa and Arya within the Game of Thrones.
• 24:04
  They both were in the North for a lot of their early seasons
• 24:09
  as well.
• 24:11
  I mean, Sansa, spoiler alert first show that I ended
• 24:14
  and was widely talked about.
• 24:16
  - Oh, really?
• 24:16
  - Sansa eventually goes to King's Landing,
• 24:18
  but a lot of the first season they are together
• 24:22
  and they were incredibly young when they first started
• 24:26
  the show, their characters are very young.
• 24:28
  And so, they became really good friends.
• 24:32
  Instantly, Maisie Williams is quoted
• 24:34
  kind of in that early audition process and says,
• 24:37
  like, even if I don't get the part,
• 24:38
  I really want that girl to be my friend.
• 24:41
  She's really cool.
• 24:42
  - Oh, that's so cute.
• 24:43
  - Right.
• 24:44
  (laughing)
• 24:45
  And, Sophie has been quoted saying, like, Maisie was special.
• 24:49
  We just got on like that.
• 24:51
  They were super, super close and spent a lot of time together.
• 24:55
  The show filmed for an incredibly long time,
• 24:58
  went on for an even longer time in their premieres.
• 25:01
  I think their carpool karaoke is one of the funniest things
• 25:05
  in the world.
• 25:06
  - Oh, it's so cute.
• 25:08
  - When Sansa's like pretending to be dead star.
• 25:11
  - Oh no.
• 25:12
  - It cracks me up.
• 25:14
  - It cracks me up so much.
• 25:15
  - On the show, it's so serious and the stakes are so dire
• 25:19
  and both of them are going through like horrific trauma
• 25:24
  and watching their dad's head cut off.
• 25:26
  And then behind the scenes, they're so unserious.
• 25:29
  That's what I love about that cast so much
• 25:32
  is like all of the behind the scenes,
• 25:34
  they just switch immediately to being like big goofballs,
• 25:38
  like every single one of them.
• 25:39
  So, I love it.
• 25:40
  - So I love all of them.
• 25:41
  - I love all of them.
• 25:42
  - You feel like you have to when the subject matter
• 25:45
  is so heavy.
• 25:46
  - Yeah, can we please be silly now?
• 25:49
  (laughs)
• 25:50
  - Yeah, and Game of Thrones is kind of especially that part
• 25:55
  of the story of Game of Thrones,
• 25:58
  how's the dragon is a little bit better,
• 26:00
  but it is very brutal to women.
• 26:03
  - Yeah, exactly.
• 26:04
  - So I can't imagine being like 15
• 26:08
  and working through that subject material
• 26:10
  and then trying to portray it,
• 26:12
  like Sansa, especially it just gets brutalized
• 26:16
  throughout that whole show.
• 26:17
  - She's a little badass and like a warrior.
• 26:22
  And Sansa's just like, here's this terrible man to marry.
• 26:26
  Okay, here's this new terrible man to marry.
• 26:29
  I mean, Tyrion, he was a show.
• 26:31
  - Yeah, but you know.
• 26:33
  So the subject matter, just the difficulty
• 26:37
  of being away really bonded them.
• 26:40
  In 2016, they got matching tattoos, commemorating
• 26:45
  the date they learned that they had been cast.
• 26:48
  So it's 0809 is the date that they got tattooed.
• 26:51
  So 789.
• 26:52
  And they did the iconic Carpool karaoke during the last season,
• 26:57
  whenever Sophie Turner got married to Joe Jonas,
• 27:01
  she was a bride's man.
• 27:02
  - All right, okay.
• 27:03
  - All right, okay.
• 27:04
  - Yeah, well, he's still alive,
• 27:05
  but the relationship isn't.
• 27:07
  (laughs)
• 27:08
  - I think Sophie Turner is just so funny and so iconic.
• 27:12
  Like that video.
• 27:13
  - I think I had the hockey game where she chugs
• 27:16
  the glass of wine and then like dabs.
• 27:18
  - She is just so--
• 27:19
  - That was back when dabbing was big.
• 27:21
  - Oh my God, let's bring back dabbing.
• 27:23
  - Please?
• 27:23
  - Yeah.
• 27:24
  - She's just so unserious.
• 27:26
  I love any celebrity like that who can just be like,
• 27:29
  I don't know.
• 27:30
  I already said this, just be a goofball.
• 27:31
  Just be a li--
• 27:32
  - Yeah.
• 27:33
  - A silly goober, please.
• 27:35
  That's all I want to tell you.
• 27:36
  So after you listen in this episode,
• 27:38
  watch their carpool karaoke, it's absolutely hilarious.
• 27:41
  - It'll smile on your face.
• 27:43
  - They publicly support each other.
• 27:44
  They always talk about how they will always be close
• 27:47
  and they're each other's soulmates
• 27:49
  and just really have that mutual growth.
• 27:52
  I have a lot of friends that I've had since a very young age.
• 27:55
  I know you have as well.
• 27:57
  I'm sensing a theme here.
• 27:59
  I picked two red chips that started at very young ages.
• 28:03
  I think there's something so beautiful about changing
• 28:07
  completely as a person.
• 28:08
  I hope you've changed completely as a person since you were 16.
• 28:11
  - Oh no, I'm the same, exactly the same as I was.
• 28:14
  Here are the rings and bibles.
• 28:16
  - Oh God.
• 28:18
  But, you know, so I think that's something beautiful
• 28:20
  with changing as a person and those friendships
• 28:23
  like evolving and growing and standing.
• 28:26
  - Sticking with somebody through, yeah,
• 28:27
  through every stage of your life.
• 28:29
  Like, I have friends who have literally seen me
• 28:33
  through tragedy, through triumph, through my wedding,
• 28:37
  through them getting married and divorces and babies
• 28:40
  and moving.
• 28:41
  I've had friends who have moved across the country
• 28:43
  and then come back and then I, you know,
• 28:45
  it's just, those are the ones that really stand
• 28:47
  the test of time.
• 28:48
  But then also there's those friends that you make
• 28:51
  in your 20s who are like with you through
• 28:53
  that transformative time where you're like,
• 28:56
  you finally are starting to kind of feel like a grownup.
• 28:59
  Like when you and I met, you know.
• 29:01
  I have one more friendship that I'm gonna shout out.
• 29:04
  I'm not gonna go into details,
• 29:05
  but I know you have one more to.
• 29:06
  But I gotta give some love to Steve Martin
• 29:08
  and Martin Short.
• 29:09
  They're so cute.
• 29:10
  - I love that.
• 29:11
  Oh my God.
• 29:12
  - I love that Martin Short and Mariel Stryford dating now.
• 29:16
  Oh my God, right.
• 29:17
  It's amazing.
• 29:18
  Do you watch only markers in the building?
• 29:20
  I don't remember.
• 29:20
  - No, I still need to.
• 29:22
  But they just want a sad look.
• 29:25
  - Yeah.
• 29:26
  I loved it.
• 29:27
  You should watch it.
• 29:28
  It's hilarious.
• 29:29
  And they are both adorable on it.
• 29:30
  But yeah, that's my little final shout out.
• 29:34
  - I think that they're cute.
• 29:36
  They're adorable.
• 29:37
  We love a long lasting straight van friendship.
• 29:40
  I'm also gonna throw a male friendship into the mix.
• 29:44
  Not straight, but we have Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen.
• 29:49
  Oh my God, I love them.
• 29:51
  - If you didn't know, it was actually intended
• 29:54
  to be a romantic relationship.
• 29:56
  So I'm gonna try to set them up on a blind date.
• 29:59
  - Really?
• 30:00
  - Not Gwen, but Tommy never worked.
• 30:02
  Anderson Cooper obviously flying around the world,
• 30:04
  being a news anchor.
• 30:07
  And so their romantic connection never prospered,
• 30:11
  but they ultimately became really good friends.
• 30:14
  - I think they are close friends.
• 30:16
  - I love it when they let them drink on New Year's.
• 30:18
  Like let these in.
• 30:19
  - And all the fans every year,
• 30:20
  like let these men drink for the left of them.
• 30:22
  - Let these win drink.
• 30:24
  - Well, Andy Cohen was definitely doing more than drinking
• 30:28
  in 2020.
• 30:29
  And that's why they didn't let him drink in 2021.
• 30:32
  You could see some of it.
• 30:33
  - Ew.
• 30:34
  - It's his skin.
• 30:36
  - Yeah, how did it is known?
• 30:37
  - The bass room.
• 30:38
  - It's a little bit too much.
• 30:39
  - Yeah, and so that was why they had to cut him off.
• 30:43
  But no, I think that Andy Cohen,
• 30:46
  he's such a silly goofy guy as well.
• 30:48
  And like he's on, watch what happens, lies.
• 30:50
  And like his whole brand is getting people to crack,
• 30:54
  getting drunk, like saying crazy things.
• 30:56
  And then Anderson Cooper is so straight-laced.
• 30:59
  - Yes, kind of serious.
• 31:01
  It's perfect.
• 31:03
  - And he just messes with him like the whole time.
• 31:05
  - Yeah, he brings a whole humanness
• 31:06
  to Anderson Cooper as well.
• 31:09
  So I really love their friendship.
• 31:12
  I think they're silly.
• 31:13
  And then now they're both dads and moving into that life.
• 31:17
  So you would never put them together,
• 31:19
  but when you do, it's kind of hilarious and funny.
• 31:23
  - Yeah, I love this like opposites attract kind of thing.
• 31:26
  Like it's super Martha, I think it's perfect.
• 31:29
  And then you have bitches like us who everyone's like,
• 31:32
  are you guys sisters?
• 31:33
  (laughs)
• 31:35
  - Nope, just annoying in the same way.
• 31:38
  (dramatic music)
• 31:41
  - So Shana, what have you been up to?
• 31:45
  - Oh God.
• 31:46
  - Huh?
• 31:47
  - Working Valentine's Day.
• 31:52
  Oh, Mike, you're wedding anniversary at Il.
• 31:55
  - Oh, I love.
• 31:57
  - My tenure wedding anniversary is this weekend.
• 31:59
  So.
• 32:00
  - Oh, cute.
• 32:01
  - What are you guys gonna do?
• 32:02
  - Thank you.
• 32:03
  We have dinner reservations at this place called El by Rose.
• 32:06
  How perfect is that?
• 32:08
  - It is.
• 32:08
  - Yeah, I've never been,
• 32:09
  but it's supposedly very delicious, fancy, mixed and food.
• 32:12
  And Scottsdale, Arizona.
• 32:14
  - And then I think we're just gonna spend the weekend
• 32:18
  together watching movies.
• 32:19
  We have been rewatching every single Star Wars movie.
• 32:23
  When I say we, I mean, me and my husband Andrew do
• 32:25
  in the sinners.
• 32:27
  - So we had a little back and forth.
• 32:29
  We couldn't decide if we wanted to rewatch all of them
• 32:32
  in chronological order, like episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
• 32:37
  or if we wanted to do release date order.
• 32:40
  - Which would be.
• 32:41
  - 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9.
• 32:44
  (laughs)
• 32:45
  So we ended up doing that.
• 32:46
  So we ended up, we watched all three, 1970s and 80s Star Wars.
• 32:51
  And then last night we watched Phantom Menace,
• 32:53
  which is,
• 32:54
  God, I watched this movie once before this.
• 32:58
  And it was in 1999 in a movie theater when I was 10 years old.
• 33:03
  - Yeah, I don't know if we're on to Melier.
• 33:05
  - Oh God, it's Anakin Skywalker.
• 33:06
  So it's the guy who grows up to be Darth Vader.
• 33:09
  - Oh, yeah.
• 33:10
  - This is origin story.
• 33:11
  So it's Emma's a little kid.
• 33:12
  There are some great spots in it.
• 33:15
  Like Iwem McGregor plays Obi-Wan Kenobi and he is amazing.
• 33:18
  Darth Maul is great, but the graphics and like charge our binks,
• 33:22
  I wanted to end it all.
• 33:24
  Yeah, I, me so I watched my life watching this movie.
• 33:29
  Like it was so bad.
• 33:30
  - I love that so much.
• 33:34
  - Yeah, so that's what we're up to.
• 33:35
  Watching Star Wars, enjoy our marriage.
• 33:38
  - Okay.
• 33:39
  How about you?
• 33:40
  (laughs)
• 33:41
  - So I said it was texting, "Chana, I am now by the end of the night.
• 33:48
  I am on 13 books in this year."
• 33:51
  - I need to know all about this book
• 33:53
  that made you cry earlier.
• 33:54
  - Oh my God, yes.
• 33:55
  Dear listener, she sends me this snapshot of just,
• 33:58
  tears just running down her face.
• 34:02
  Like who are you?
• 34:04
  A book?
• 34:05
  A book?
• 34:06
  No, I was like, "Oh God, I'm crying."
• 34:09
  And we recorded in like 45 minutes of it.
• 34:11
  I had to redo all of my makeup.
• 34:14
  - You look amazing.
• 34:15
  You know, I had to pull my shit out from my bootstrap.
• 34:19
  So it's called the seven year slip.
• 34:22
  I have never read the author before.
• 34:25
  It is, we see it each by Ashley Poston.
• 34:30
  And it's actually like really, really cute.
• 34:32
  So it's a magical realism book.
• 34:36
  It's a romance book.
• 34:37
  I've been really into romance.
• 34:39
  I'm trying to trick myself into thinking I,
• 34:42
  I want a relationship right now.
• 34:44
  So you really just want to get dicked down by a fairy,
• 34:49
  a guy who was covered in shadows.
• 34:52
  - Yeah, well that's why I'm trying to read
• 34:54
  more real life romances.
• 34:56
  - Okay.
• 34:57
  - And sometimes I'm going to read more real life romances
• 34:59
  'cause I'm like, okay, I'm never gonna find
• 35:01
  a seven foot fey who's jacked out of his mind
• 35:04
  and only wants me for me because I mean to him.
• 35:08
  Like that's just not gonna happen in the real world.
• 35:11
  So I need a grumpy sunshine, I'm the grumpy,
• 35:15
  they're the sunshine and exist in some sort of world.
• 35:19
  So it's magical realism where it's our world
• 35:22
  that there is like a light element of magic within it.
• 35:25
  - Okay, I'm happy to know.
• 35:26
  - And to this book specifically,
• 35:28
  it is called the seven year slip
• 35:31
  and it's this woman who is dealing with her ant
• 35:34
  who passed away.
• 35:35
  She inherits this apartment and this apartment is magic
• 35:39
  and it can basically sense her back seven years in time.
• 35:44
  And so it's called the seven year slip
• 35:47
  and it's absolutely beautiful.
• 35:50
  I was crying my eyes out because the ant
• 35:54
  on the lives herself and I've talked about it before in my ant.
• 35:58
  - Oh yeah.
• 35:59
  - And it's very similar to my ant.
• 36:00
  So it was like, oh my God.
• 36:03
  - Oh my God, I'm so happy.
• 36:04
  - Oh my God, but it is beautiful.
• 36:06
  I started it last night.
• 36:07
  I'm almost done.
• 36:08
  - Jesus, I'm gorgeous.
• 36:10
  - I am.
• 36:11
  - You sleep.
• 36:13
  - I do sleep, but I'm alone in a new city.
• 36:17
  I don't have a relationship.
• 36:18
  Like I, you know, like I have so much time.
• 36:22
  - Yeah, that's fair.
• 36:23
  - In like people in my life who are like married
• 36:26
  and have children, they're like, how do you read so much?
• 36:28
  And I was like, because I don't have person
• 36:31
  or a little person to take care of.
• 36:34
  I just come to you.
• 36:34
  - I'll come to you a little person to take care of.
• 36:36
  - You can be my little person.
• 36:37
  You can be my person anytime, anytime, honey.
• 36:40
  - Thanks, mummy.
• 36:41
  - Yes.
• 36:42
  (laughs)
• 36:43
  So I've just been reading with a porosity,
• 36:45
  but it's really, really good.
• 36:47
  I also had read, I think this will be my seventh book
• 36:51
  that in February.
• 36:52
  So I've been month crazy in February.
• 36:54
  I've been reading a lot of MLA Henry,
• 36:56
  which is like very low stakes real life romance book.
• 37:00
  - Okay.
• 37:01
  - And just absolutely loving it.
• 37:02
  However, I also watched the first two episodes
• 37:07
  of White Lotus.
• 37:08
  So good.
• 37:09
  You need to watch it.
• 37:10
  - Is it good this season?
• 37:11
  - Yes.
• 37:12
  - I haven't even watched these two.
• 37:14
  - They change, you don't have to, they're all separate.
• 37:16
  - Yeah.
• 37:17
  - So the intro song, they changed it.
• 37:21
  I'm pissed about it.
• 37:22
  - I did see a lot of people in social media
• 37:24
  were upset that they changed the song.
• 37:26
  I don't know why they would do that.
• 37:28
  - It's iconic.
• 37:29
  Everybody loves it.
• 37:30
  They didn't change it for season two.
• 37:32
  I don't know why they changed it for season three.
• 37:34
  - If you have a theme song like that,
• 37:36
  it's like Game of Thrones.
• 37:37
  They ran with the theme song,
• 37:39
  even into House of the Dragon.
• 37:40
  They're like, oh, you want this banger banger?
• 37:42
  ♪ Bang, bang, bang ♪
• 37:43
  ♪ Bang, bang, bang ♪
• 37:45
  ♪ We got this ♪ - Peter D. - It's Peter D.
• 37:46
  - It's Peter D. - Yeah, exactly.
• 37:49
  They shouldn't have changed it.
• 37:51
  So that's kind of annoying.
• 37:52
  I am really liking the season.
• 37:53
  My mom called me yesterday and was like,
• 37:55
  "Have you watched White Lotus?"
• 37:56
  Yeah, so even my mom is in on it.
• 38:00
  She's like, "Hell yeah, this is so good."
• 38:02
  - I gotta get in on it.
• 38:03
  I gotta start.
• 38:04
  - But definitely,
• 38:05
  would pop seven year slip and...
• 38:07
  - White Lotus.
• 38:10
  - And I'm gonna pop Star Wars in general.
• 38:13
  And next level chef with Gordon Ramsay
• 38:15
  because it is back for New Season, and we love that show.
• 38:19
  - Yeah, and Reeves is the fanfic episode
• 38:24
  to know just how much we like Gordon Ramsay.
• 38:26
  - Oh God, he's so angry and thick.
• 38:29
  - He's a lamb sauce.
• 38:34
  - He's a lamb sauce.
• 38:36
  - Give us some of that lamb sauce, Gordon.
• 38:37
  - Spaced me on your lamb sauce.
• 38:39
  - On that note,
• 38:41
  Shona, what's the best way for our future best friends
• 38:46
  to find us?
• 38:47
  - First of all, no new friends.
• 38:49
  - But you can follow me just kidding.
• 38:53
  - Only Patreon subscribers.
• 38:55
  - Literally, Patreon subscribers, y'all can be my friend.
• 38:57
  I don't do this shit for free.
• 38:59
  - Anyway.
• 39:00
  (laughing)
• 39:00
  - I do.
• 39:01
  - I do.
• 39:02
  - I do it just for free.
• 39:03
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• 39:06
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• 39:11
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• 39:15
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• 39:24
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• 39:28
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• 39:32
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• 39:34
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• 39:37
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• 39:44
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• 39:46
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• 39:48
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• 39:49
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• 39:51
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• 39:55
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• 39:59
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• 40:02
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• 40:07
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• 40:10
  at the beginning of this episode.
• 40:12
  - No, our producer noticed,
• 40:14
  I had a thong in the corner of my room.
• 40:17
  (laughing)
• 40:20
  - I should just left it back there.
• 40:22
  - I should've just left it.
• 40:24
  - There was an Easter egg.
• 40:25
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• 40:27
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• 40:27
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• 40:29
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• 40:31
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• 40:55
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• 40:59
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• 41:02
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• 41:07
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• 41:10
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• 41:15
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