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Speaker 1: Petero Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to show. Well what a day it's
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Speaker 2: been in Canberra. Plenty to get through tonight, let's get
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Speaker 2: into it. Inflation numbers out today, further confirmation that relief
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Speaker 2: for those of the mortgage is a long way off.
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Speaker 2: Not much better for renters either. The government's showing no
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Speaker 2: signs of raining in their inflation rey spending. The bombshell
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Speaker 2: revelations too of just how far the Environmental Defenders Office
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Speaker 2: when to trying to shut down a gas project worth billions,
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Speaker 2: So why is the federal government still giving them taxpayer support.
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Speaker 2: It's more on the ongoing use of Indigenous cultural heritage
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Speaker 2: claims and lawfare to send this country backwards. Plus what's
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Speaker 2: happening in Victoria yet again It's Victoria. A convicted murderer
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Speaker 2: is being led out of prison to undergo IVF treatment
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Speaker 2: with your approval to raise any baby she has back
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Speaker 2: in jail. It's a shocking story. I've got an update
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Speaker 2: a bit later on and the new South Wales energy
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Speaker 2: grid on the edge tonight is coal does the heavy
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Speaker 2: lifting trying to keep the state running the same coal
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Speaker 2: the left hates, I might add it was a sunny
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Speaker 2: day in Sydney, where were the renewables.
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Speaker 3: The Australian Energy Market Operator is right now scrambling to
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Speaker 3: avoid blackouts, and the New South Wales premiere is urging
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Speaker 3: residents i quote, not to run your dishwasher, not to
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Speaker 3: run your washing machine this afternoon, Prime Minister, is this
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Speaker 3: what Labour's planned for I quote, a renewable energy superpower
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Speaker 3: really will look like?
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Speaker 2: But first, one of the causes of today's thread of
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Speaker 2: power blackouts in New South Wales and a predicted horror
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Speaker 2: summer head says the Energy regulator is Australia's energy poverty.
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Speaker 2: And our energy poverty defies common sense because we.
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Speaker 4: Used to be energy rich, not energy poor, so it's
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Speaker 4: a new thing.
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Speaker 2: It also defies geological reality, because there's hardly a country
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Speaker 2: on Earth that's more blessed than we are with energy,
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Speaker 2: fuel sources, minerals and metals. And yet here we are
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Speaker 2: today with this sort of third world warning from the
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Speaker 2: premiere of our most populous state.
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Speaker 5: So if you can not run your pool filter, not
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Speaker 5: run your dishwasher, not run your washing machine this afternoon
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Speaker 5: between three and eight, you'll help the grid.
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Speaker 4: I mean, how embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: A big part of what's gone wrong with energy in
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Speaker 2: recent years is not that we run low in baselow
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Speaker 2: power or indeed fossil fuels gone at all. They're still
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Speaker 2: as abundant as ever, and as I said, cold the
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Speaker 2: heavy lifting today. Over sixty percent of New South Wales
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Speaker 2: power came from coal. It's just that we lack the
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Speaker 2: political will to get it all out of the ground,
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Speaker 2: or that when we try, the companies that take the
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Speaker 2: risks come up against gub and funded bodies that work
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Speaker 2: against the national interest. Take the front page exclusive report
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Speaker 2: in Today's Australian about the concoction of indigenous heritage claims
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Speaker 2: in order to stop a big new gas project in
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. Protecting what's a genuine indigenous heritage, well,
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Speaker 2: I think that's important. But inventing heritage to sabotage the economy,
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Speaker 2: it's pretty close to evil, and we have to stamp
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Speaker 2: it out. Respective Aboriginal people that's important too. But putting
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Speaker 2: them up on a pedestal with special privileges based on race,
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Speaker 2: well that's wrong and it'll end up poisoning social goodwill.
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Speaker 2: So what's the bombshell In today's Australian well, revealed via
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Speaker 2: Freedom of Information request, we learn about a series of
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Speaker 2: text messages and emails between a university academic and indigenous
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Speaker 2: heritage consultant and the Environmental Defender's office that look suspiciously
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Speaker 2: like manufacturing evidence, even academic fraud, not to protect genuine heritage,
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Speaker 2: but to achieve the green political objective of stopping a
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Speaker 2: new fossil fuel project. Now, am I saying that it
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Speaker 2: looks like indigenous heritage considerations have been exploited and manipulated
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Speaker 2: by green activist to stop economic opportunities for Aboriginal people. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I am, and that's what the evidence appears to tell us.
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Speaker 2: And notoriously, that's what appears to have happened in today's
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Speaker 2: example of the Santos gas field off the Tiwei Islands,
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Speaker 2: and what many acclaiming occurred in the case of the
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Speaker 2: Blay gold mine in New South Wales. Now, as you
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Speaker 2: plow through the FOI material in today's report, there's one
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Speaker 2: text from the academic Michael O'Leary from the University of
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Speaker 2: Western Australia, where he asks the Environmental Defender's offers whether
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Speaker 2: the preliminary port quote meets your expectations, and then he offers.
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Speaker 4: To edit it if it does not.
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Speaker 2: Surely an academic writing the reporters supposed to be operating independently,
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Speaker 2: it would appear not. Then there's another email that's got
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Speaker 2: the Indigenous Heritage consult and asking O'Leary, the university academic,
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Speaker 2: to alter his work because I quote Ampig, the Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: heritage figure at the center of this heritage claim, needs
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Speaker 2: to look more like the actual serpent.
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Speaker 4: It reads.
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Speaker 2: Now in response to Larry says, and I quote, I
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Speaker 2: should try and reproduce an authentic looking crocodile from a
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Speaker 2: Teewee artist. Come on, plainly, what's going on here is
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Speaker 2: the confection of some sort of indigenous tradition, even though
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Speaker 2: what we are referring to here are areas in Australia's
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Speaker 2: north that have been completely covered by CA for at
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Speaker 2: least ten thousand years. In another email, O'Leary says, maybe
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Speaker 2: I'm being too scientific about this and I should just
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Speaker 2: move the location of Ampig, this is the legendary spirit
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Speaker 2: to the air of the lake. Ultimately, he says, I'm
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Speaker 2: just a white fella, and the location of the resting
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Speaker 2: place or home of mother ampergy will be made by
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Speaker 2: tea we elders and happy to move where it seems.
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Speaker 4: Most cultural appropriate.
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Speaker 2: Sure he is just a white fella, but that reads
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Speaker 2: very much as if he's creating something to please the
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Speaker 2: activists who want to stop the project in the expectation
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Speaker 2: then that it'll simply be rubber stamped by indigenous elders.
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Speaker 2: Now today, the judge in charge of this case, Justice
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Speaker 2: Natalie Charlesworth, well, she's been scathing and severely critical of
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Speaker 2: the edio's conduct. But a much bigger problem is a
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Speaker 2: system that allows bogus heritage claims to be hijacked a
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Speaker 2: green activist to then derail the development Australia desperately needs,
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Speaker 2: not to mention the other faces of the Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: using your money to fund the Environmental Defender's office to
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Speaker 2: then try and overturn the government approvals for mining and
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Speaker 2: resource projects. And we're supposed to be a first world
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Speaker 2: country and yet here we are with gas in the ground,
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Speaker 2: not because gas in the ground and not in the system,
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Speaker 2: because we're forcing people this afternoon to effectively turn off
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Speaker 2: their air conditioners because we're too gutless to stand up
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Speaker 2: to activists.
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Speaker 4: On the issue of gas.
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Speaker 2: Once again we see the manipulation of heritage and the
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Speaker 2: exploitation of Aboriginal people. Now, for the cultural left, there's
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Speaker 2: always a big agenda Aboriginal heritage concerns. Well, they're not
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Speaker 2: just about respecting our past and understanding better the first Australians.
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Speaker 2: Environmental concerns are not just about preserving the planet for
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Speaker 2: our children and grandchildren. The real agenda here is always
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Speaker 2: to change the country and to attack the economic and
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Speaker 2: cultural foundations that have made.
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Speaker 4: Us free, fair and prosperous.
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Speaker 2: Here's another example of this sort of poison that came
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Speaker 2: across my own desk today. It's an email from Melbourne University.
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Speaker 2: Scroll down the bottom and there's an acknowledgment of country
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Speaker 2: that's referring to when I quote unseated land on which
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Speaker 2: we live now. Melbourne Union is where I studied law,
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Speaker 2: and as a UNI with a law school, it should
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Speaker 2: know there's no question about Australia's sovereignty. To have that
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Speaker 2: line at the bottom of an emails basically saying this
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Speaker 2: is a stolen country and most of us have no
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Speaker 2: right to be here, and that's a lydear thought view
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Speaker 2: of Australia, and I refuse to accept it, this.
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Speaker 4: Cultural civil war. It's got to stop it all lonely stop.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Australia and when the silent majority
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Speaker 2: start to speak up and reject all the ways we've
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Speaker 2: been made to feel ashamed about our country. The welcomes
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Speaker 2: to country, the lines at the bottom of emails, the
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Speaker 2: three flags syndrome of our Prime minister. So I say
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Speaker 2: to you an elections coming. Use your ion't been silent anymore.
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Speaker 2: Be part of the pushback that says we are all
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Speaker 2: Australians and that you will no longer cop these activists
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Speaker 2: trying to destroy our country.
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Speaker 4: Well, as I said, it was a pretty.
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Speaker 2: Fiery day in the Senate, in the house, all around
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Speaker 2: the building. We'll go to Camber now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Skyty is political reporter treating Macintosh.
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Speaker 6: It was a fiery start to the day in the Senate.
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Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson accused of vile racism by independent Fatima Payment.
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Speaker 6: The fight was sparked up to the One Nation leader
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Speaker 6: called for an investigation into Payment's eligibility to sit in Parliament,
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Speaker 6: citing her Afghan citizenship. So documentation is.
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Speaker 4: Not good enough that is not racist?
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Speaker 5: What is it?
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Speaker 3: You're not just vindictive, mean nasty.
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Speaker 4: You bring disgrace to the human race.
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Speaker 6: Lydia, Thoughpe ripped up Hanson's motion and threw it in
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Speaker 6: her face before making her feelings known as she left
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Speaker 6: the chamberly anything that comes out of her mouth is
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Speaker 6: motivated by racism. The race is on to get Labour's
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Speaker 6: remaining policy priorities through the Parliament. Before the Christmas break,
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Speaker 6: Labour reached a deal with the Coalition to pass a
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Speaker 6: trio of laws to tough and migration powers. It would
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Speaker 6: give government power to deport non citizens to third countries,
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Speaker 6: impose visa travel bands, and confiscate phones in immigration detention.
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Speaker 7: It is embarrassing that the government doesn't have the wherewithal
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Speaker 7: to do it themselves with force into acts.
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Speaker 4: We might as well go back to the white Australia policy.
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Speaker 4: You only want white people in this country.
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Speaker 6: The social media ban for under sixteen's passed the House,
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Speaker 6: but not without opposition. Liberal MP Bridget Archer crossed the floor.
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Speaker 6: A handful of Coalition MPs decided to abstain, while the
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Speaker 6: Teals were split on whether to back the move.
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Speaker 2: All right for more on today's story, I'm joining our
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Speaker 2: Moscown new senior reporter Truny Macintosh in Canberra, and I've
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Speaker 2: send your reporter Carola Marcus from Sydney.
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Speaker 4: We've got a lot to get through.
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Speaker 2: We've just played some scenes from this morning in the
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Speaker 2: Senate though, and I need to tell my viewers right
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Speaker 2: now as we go to air, Labor and the Coalition
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Speaker 2: are supporting a motion to suspend Lydia Thought from the
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Speaker 2: Senate for the remainder of the sitting week, so that's
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Speaker 2: one day, possibly Friday, if it sits into Friday. This
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Speaker 2: is for her part in those hysterical scenes. We've put
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Speaker 2: a little bit through your package.
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Speaker 4: There, Trudy.
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Speaker 2: They're dividing now, the divisions under way. There will be
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Speaker 2: a vote obviously, and it looks like Labor in the
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Speaker 2: Coalition will force her out. But I mean, I worked
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Speaker 2: in the Senate in the Howard govern era for eleven years.
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Speaker 2: I have never seen a worse behaved Senate in my life, Truty.
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Speaker 2: I think it's embarrassing.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's getting pretty testing, I'd have to say watching
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Speaker 6: the Upper House. I've been in Camber nearly a decade too,
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Speaker 6: and at the moment scenms almost as bad as.
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Speaker 4: I've ever seen it.
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Speaker 6: As you said, Peter, that breaking news is this is
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Speaker 6: about to happen. Now, Labor and the Coalition, after speaking
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Speaker 6: with the Senate President, will vote here to suspend Lydia Thorpe,
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Speaker 6: the Independent from the Chamber, not just for the remainder
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Speaker 6: of the sitting day, obviously, but into the rest of
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Speaker 6: the week, so.
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Speaker 4: The final sitting week of the year.
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Speaker 6: Now. My live question though, and I were watching this
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Speaker 6: very closely tomorrow is Lydia Thorpe is likely very likely
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Speaker 6: to test this tomorrow. Is my understanding that being suspended
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Speaker 6: means you can't enter the chamber. I don't have this confirmed,
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Speaker 6: but I would expect that that will be tested, Peter.
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Speaker 6: In terms of Lydia Thorpe attempting to come in, obviously
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Speaker 6: I don't have that confirmed, but given what we've seen
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Speaker 6: in the past when she was censured, she believes it.
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Speaker 6: It provides more publicity for her cause.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to that pitch we just
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Speaker 2: had it on the screen, that one there. Let's hold
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Speaker 2: that picture there for the moment as she walks out
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Speaker 2: with her finger in the air, there's a man standing to.
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Speaker 4: The side of the door. With a black rod.
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Speaker 2: It's got a silver tip to it. It's the Senate
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Speaker 2: equivalent of the sergeant at arms. It could well be
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Speaker 2: his job tomorrow and it's an an's equated position. But
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Speaker 2: we'll see if he's serious tomorrow to keep her out
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Speaker 2: of the chamber given the likely resolution of the Senate
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Speaker 2: and the carriage of the President there that she's not
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Speaker 2: to turn up.
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Speaker 4: There for the day.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the genesis of all of this,
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Speaker 2: because it was a debate between Senator Pauline Hansen and
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Speaker 2: former Labor Senator Fatim and Payment sorp. You know, anytime
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Speaker 2: there's a bit of controversy, she wants to get a
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Speaker 2: name recognition up.
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Speaker 4: She weighs into it all. She loves controversy.
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Speaker 2: But this was about the citizenship requirements of Fatim and
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Speaker 2: Payment under section forty four in the Constitution. Now we
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Speaker 2: all know that story about section forty four in the past,
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Speaker 2: but I would to play something that Payment had to say.
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Speaker 4: Haven't listened to this.
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Speaker 6: The fact that you would say, just weeks ago to Senator.
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Speaker 8: For rookie got back to Pakistan.
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Speaker 6: You're not just vindictive, mean nasty, you bring disgrace to
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Speaker 6: the human race.
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Speaker 2: And just on this point, Truy, it doesn't matter where
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Speaker 2: you come from, where you were born, how you got
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Speaker 2: to Australia. The Constitution's black and white here. Either she
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Speaker 2: meets the test or she doesn't. And I think she
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Speaker 2: got herself into trouble because she kept waving around documents
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Speaker 2: she says that satisfy the constitutional requirements. When pushed to
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Speaker 2: table them, she's refused to table them. So I suspect
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Speaker 2: this is headed for the High Court.
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Speaker 6: Well, the thing is Vadama payment relies on the legal
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Speaker 6: advice I believe that she was given when she was
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Speaker 6: running as a labor candidate.
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Speaker 4: You know, they have to check these things before.
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Speaker 6: I think they can even be pre selected these days
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Speaker 6: because of that Section forty four saga. The labor legal
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Speaker 6: advice says, because she had tried done as much as
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Speaker 6: you can to try and renounce the citizenship, it puts
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Speaker 6: her in slightly different basket because it's basically impossible for
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Speaker 6: her to go back, they argue to Afghanistan, given the
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Speaker 6: Taliban in power and the inability to actually formally get
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Speaker 6: rid of the citizenship. So that had been the labor
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Speaker 6: legal advice.
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Speaker 4: That she's sticking to.
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Speaker 2: Yes, for the same was invited by the United Nations
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Speaker 2: to go to the COP meeting. So they're hardly the
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Speaker 2: terrorist group in the freezer that Fatima Payment's trying to
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Speaker 2: pretend they are. That some in the government and the
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Speaker 2: Greens are trying to pretend they are. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 2: if they are legitimate enough to go to the COP
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Speaker 2: meeting in Barkou the other day, then they're legitimate enough
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Speaker 2: for embassies to get hold of paperwork and send it
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Speaker 2: to Australia and satisfy the Constitution. I think this has
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Speaker 2: got a long way to play out.
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Speaker 4: Think it's very interesting.
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Speaker 2: Or let's go to some of that inflation data out today.
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Speaker 2: We've got a Treasury expert going to join me in
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Speaker 2: a moment dig into some of that in detail. But
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Speaker 2: the politics of it all, Caroline, I'll bring you in here.
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Speaker 2: This makes it more likely than not that there will
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Speaker 2: not be any change in rates for the better until
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Speaker 2: the back end of next year, and that makes it
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Speaker 2: harder and harder for labor politically.
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Speaker 8: This is the news that labor really didn't want to get,
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Speaker 8: did it, Peter, Because they really banking on pushing that
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Speaker 8: polling date out until they hope for at least one
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Speaker 8: interest rate drop to happen, and now it looks like
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Speaker 8: that's very unlikely. Despite experts saying that it would probably
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Speaker 8: have been happening in about February next year, now it
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Speaker 8: seems that the advice is quite different. So I'm not
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Speaker 8: sure what that means in terms of setting a date.
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Speaker 8: Because the latest polls are also showing that voters have
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Speaker 8: even less trust in Anthony Albanesi. They think that they're
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Speaker 8: worse off or at least not any better since he
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Speaker 8: came to power. So it's all really bad news ahead
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Speaker 8: of whenever this election happens, and that doesn't seem to
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Speaker 8: be much reason now for him to delay it anymore.
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Speaker 2: You're talking about there that poll by cost Samaras out
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Speaker 2: today to say people really don't feel that they're getting ahead,
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Speaker 2: they feel they're going backwards. I think that's devastating for
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Speaker 2: the government as well. Let's go to migration. It's going
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Speaker 2: to be a big issue obviously the next election, Truty.
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Speaker 4: There's all those.
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Speaker 2: Issues about detainees, and then there was or the High
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Speaker 2: Court decisions that made it more and more difficult for
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Speaker 2: the government.
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Speaker 4: To contain this mess.
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Speaker 2: There's now the discussion of an omnibus bill, a super bill.
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Speaker 2: This is to give the government a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: powers to deport and monitor these non citizens. There's reports
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Speaker 2: that they could even be thinking of using the removal
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Speaker 2: of these individuals two a third country.
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Speaker 4: What do we know?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is part of this trio of migration bills.
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Speaker 6: They're being put together in one package. This will get
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Speaker 6: through the Senate. It had gone in before question time.
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Speaker 6: It's likely to go back after we see this thought
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Speaker 6: motion wrap up. They've got the numbers to get this through.
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Speaker 6: The politics are the Coalition say, it's managed to drag
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Speaker 6: labor to a position now where it's supporting even stronger
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Speaker 6: measures when it comes to some of those free detainees,
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Speaker 6: cleaning up the mess of that High Court ruling when
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Speaker 6: it comes to ankle bracelets and curfews. Also that matter though,
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Speaker 6: of trying to get non citizens deported not back to
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Speaker 6: their home country, because they are not able to actually
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Speaker 6: secure any deal like that the third countries, and part
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Speaker 6: of this mill is the option to pay a third
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Speaker 6: country to actually take these people.
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Speaker 4: It's controversial tier cross benches.
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Speaker 6: The Greens obviously don't like it, but the Coalition doing
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Speaker 6: a deal with labor to ensure that there are bolstered
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Speaker 6: powers as we head towards Christmas.
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Speaker 2: Any talk of what this country or where this country
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Speaker 2: might be, we're talking about naru, We're talking about p andng.
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Speaker 6: No no, And that's what James Pattison, the Shadow Home
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Speaker 6: Affairs Minister, said today. As soon as they pass the legislation,
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Speaker 6: it's now incumbent on the government to show its hand.
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Speaker 6: Has it been doing work behind the scenes to actually
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Speaker 6: negotiate a third country resettlement option.
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Speaker 4: I haven't heard of anyone.
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Speaker 6: Being listed, but it does provide the power for the
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Speaker 6: minister to have that option on the table.
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Speaker 2: Right all right, Let's go across to New Zealand. The
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Speaker 2: Ministry of healthfares moving to limit access to puberty blockers
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Speaker 2: for children. This is after a report found there was
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Speaker 2: insufficient evidence to support their use. This is happening now
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Speaker 2: more and more around the world. Countries are pulling back
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Speaker 2: from the use found in New Zealand, the number of
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Speaker 2: young people prescribed pudic blockers had surged and Spainly girls
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Speaker 2: surged by something like four hundred and fifty percent. Everywhere
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Speaker 2: about Australia is waking up. I fear we won't even
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Speaker 2: have an inquiry into this, will we Caroline.
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Speaker 4: Well, not under this current government.
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Speaker 8: I mean they were aware of the cast Review in
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Speaker 8: the UK which found that the evidence for puvoty blockers
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Speaker 8: in children and teenagers was really poor quality in terms
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Speaker 8: of how effective it is and how safe it is
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Speaker 8: as well. And the result of that review in the
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Speaker 8: UK is that they banned puberty blockers the routine use
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Speaker 8: of them in children. But in Australia, despite the government
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Speaker 8: saying that this was significant, the review and its findings said, oh, look,
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Speaker 8: the situation is different in Australia, will just continue as is,
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Speaker 8: even though this is increasingly seeming to become a fashion,
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Speaker 8: this gender dysphoria. We've increased rates here of children presenting
20:04
Speaker 8: to gender clinics and identifying as having a gender dysphoria.
20:10
Speaker 8: So it is something that needs to be addressed here
20:12
Speaker 8: and across the ditch. New Zealand has decided to do
20:17
Speaker 8: something more about it, not quite as far as the UK,
20:19
Speaker 8: but they've said that they've done their own review of
20:24
Speaker 8: several international studies which also came to the same conclusion
20:29
Speaker 8: that the evidence is not there in terms of supporting
20:33
Speaker 8: puberty blockers for children. And now it's going to tell
20:36
Speaker 8: New Zealand It's doctors that they need to take caution
20:42
Speaker 8: when prescribing them and that it's going to have to
20:44
Speaker 8: be up to a doctor who specializes in gender affirming
20:49
Speaker 8: care to prescribe the medication. Now, whether that goes far enough,
20:53
Speaker 8: given the doctors who work in this area are arguably
20:57
Speaker 8: captured by this sort of radical gender ideal, working in
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Speaker 8: that space in the first place is another question.
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Speaker 4: But at least they are doing something. I want to
21:07
Speaker 4: go to Wa.
21:08
Speaker 2: This is a state government state opposition sort of fight
21:12
Speaker 2: that's going on, but it could have ramifications for the
21:16
Speaker 2: federal election given that Anthony Albanez, he's on the nose
21:19
Speaker 2: in Wa, got a lot of gains there at the
21:22
Speaker 2: last election. Needs to hold them and unreliably inform the
21:26
Speaker 2: Liberals that are really gaining ground the federal Liberals under
21:28
Speaker 2: Peter Duttner, but at a state level, Libby met him.
21:32
Speaker 2: She's the leader, but she's facing a lot of pressure
21:34
Speaker 2: to stand aside for current Perth mayor Basil Zemplas, who
21:38
Speaker 2: has been pre selected to run for the state seat
21:40
Speaker 2: of Churchlands in the March WA state election. Now he
21:45
Speaker 2: wasn't obviously in the party room. He doesn't have a
21:48
Speaker 2: seat in Parliament. She survived. They want this instability, they say,
21:52
Speaker 2: put behind them. But give us your analysis here truly,
21:55
Speaker 2: because I fear it should go away, but I fear
21:58
Speaker 2: it won't and it could impact Peter Dutt.
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Speaker 4: What do you think.
22:02
Speaker 6: Well, the one thing that's probably in Peter Dutton's favor
22:04
Speaker 6: is I think voters are pretty savvy at knowing the
22:05
Speaker 6: difference between state and federal politics. And also in mister
22:08
Speaker 6: Dutton's favor, it's likely that WA will go to the
22:11
Speaker 6: polls first on March eight, unless Anthony Abnezy does you know,
22:15
Speaker 6: change that date because he wants to go at the
22:18
Speaker 6: same time, but in all likely to imagine we go
22:20
Speaker 6: beyond that, and so there will have likely been the
22:23
Speaker 6: WA Labor government reelected, the Liberals can regroup and Peter
22:27
Speaker 6: Dutton has an opportunity to kind of chip away at
22:29
Speaker 6: what we think is the high watermark for labor federally
22:31
Speaker 6: at the moment.
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Speaker 4: Over there in the West wait and see there.
22:34
Speaker 6: Labour's alces point out they believe the decision to oppose
22:37
Speaker 6: the production tax credits, so Peter, they believe that's an
22:40
Speaker 6: issue that will hurt over in the West.
22:42
Speaker 4: Are remained to be convinced.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very sober analysis. You've not fallen for
22:48
Speaker 2: the headlines and the spin. They're truty well done. I
22:51
Speaker 2: can just tell my viewers at home too, that motion
22:53
Speaker 2: in relation to suspending suspending Lydia Thorpe has carried now
22:58
Speaker 2: so she will not be in the Parliament for the
22:59
Speaker 2: remainder of year. Whether that's one day or two, it
23:02
Speaker 2: remains to be seen. Well, thank you to you both, laddies.
23:05
Speaker 4: It's great, all right.
23:06
Speaker 2: Leave it there after the break, shocking decision in Victoria
23:09
Speaker 2: to allow a convicted murderer to receive IVF treatment while
23:12
Speaker 2: serving her sentence. Plus how bad could things get this summer?
23:16
Speaker 2: People in New South Wales already being told to conserve power,
23:20
Speaker 2: use a dishwasher, turn off your AC An independent energy
23:23
Speaker 2: expert joins me in a moment.
23:28
Speaker 4: Welcomberg.
23:28
Speaker 2: Still to come the shocking revelations regarding the Environmental Defender's
23:32
Speaker 2: office and the machinations that have seen huge delays on
23:36
Speaker 2: a multi billion dollar gas project, and what can be
23:38
Speaker 2: done now? First down to Victoria, where honestly you cannot
23:43
Speaker 2: make this stuff up. Use broke this morning that a
23:46
Speaker 2: convicted murderer has been approved to be released from a
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Speaker 2: maximum security prison to undergo IVF treatment. In twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 2: Alicia Schiller was sentenced to at least sixteen years in
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Speaker 2: prison after stabbing a mother to death in a drug
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Speaker 2: fueled rage over just fifty dollars. However, authorities have now
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Speaker 2: approved Schiller to receive self funded fertility treatment, all the
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Speaker 2: while remaining a convicted murder inmate. Join me now to
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Speaker 2: discuss this. Victorian Shadow Minister for Corrections, Brad Batten. Well, Brad,
24:21
Speaker 2: you know, call me old fashioned, but I thought when
24:23
Speaker 2: you committed a crime as serious as something like murder,
24:26
Speaker 2: you lose all your rights and privileges as a free person.
24:30
Speaker 2: So how does she get led out of prison to
24:33
Speaker 2: get IVY if to have a baby and raise a baby.
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Speaker 4: In prison, and on and on a goes.
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Speaker 2: I mean, at what point is prison about a loss
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Speaker 2: of liberty?
24:42
Speaker 4: Clearly not in Victoria.
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Speaker 9: Thanks for having us on, Peter. Not something I expected
24:54
Speaker 9: to wake up to this morning to see that we've
24:56
Speaker 9: got a person who's convicted of killing a mother of
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Speaker 9: three having access to IVF you in our state. It's
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Speaker 9: just simply not good enough. The government have come out
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Speaker 9: and tried to defend the decision and said it was
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Speaker 9: based on a decision from the Supreme Court and back
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Speaker 9: in twenty ten. But we actually know that's factually incorrect.
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Speaker 9: So the decision they're basing it on is someone who
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Speaker 9: was continuing IVF, who was doing a different sentence for
25:19
Speaker 9: a minor more minor offense, compared to a murderer who
25:22
Speaker 9: murdered a mother of three children. To give the rights
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Speaker 9: to this person that they can have a child and
25:28
Speaker 9: raise that child in the Victorian prison is something that
25:31
Speaker 9: sends shock waves, I know through myself and every person
25:33
Speaker 9: I've spoken to about it.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got a bit of issues with the
25:38
Speaker 2: storms with your audio. Let's keep persevering, though. I understand
25:42
Speaker 2: that the woman she murdered was murdered in a house,
25:45
Speaker 2: and in that house was also that woman's four year
25:47
Speaker 2: old child at the time. Now, now, doesn't that also
25:51
Speaker 2: disqualify someone like Schiller from not just our compassion, but
25:55
Speaker 2: from being able to, if she becomes pregnant, have the
25:59
Speaker 2: care of a child. Why she's in prison until they
26:01
Speaker 2: say the child's five, I think, and then the child
26:04
Speaker 2: would go to Schiller's mother to raise. I mean, how
26:07
Speaker 2: is that fair on the child?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's correct, and Unpeter, we are having issues with
26:15
Speaker 9: the audio here. I think something's happened at the Parliament.
26:18
Speaker 9: Believe it or not, our audio is terrible in this
26:20
Speaker 9: place at the moment. But if you can hear me,
26:23
Speaker 9: our concern with this was yeah, and we've said that too.
26:28
Speaker 9: We are having issues with the audio. Just let you know, Peter.
26:30
Speaker 9: But what I'm trying to say here is it is
26:32
Speaker 9: unfair on the child. We talk about the human rights,
26:34
Speaker 9: and that's the act of us coming out saying the
26:36
Speaker 9: human rights.
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Speaker 2: All right, I think we're going to lose him right there.
26:41
Speaker 2: We'll leave it there, but you get the gist of
26:44
Speaker 2: what's happening there. In Victoria, a convicted murder, a sixteen
26:47
Speaker 2: years sentence, the Victorian government, the legislation, the president, in
26:51
Speaker 2: the court, any of all of that will let her
26:54
Speaker 2: out to have IVF. If she becomes pregnant, she'll be
26:58
Speaker 2: able to raise that child in the Victorian system till
27:01
Speaker 2: the child's about five. Then her mother, the child's grandmother,
27:04
Speaker 2: will take care of that child. I think it's a
27:06
Speaker 2: disgrace and I want to see the Liberal Party say
27:09
Speaker 2: that will rule it out in law legislation if they
27:12
Speaker 2: have to, should they win the next election. But I'll
27:15
Speaker 2: tell you what, Victorians pick up the phone ring your MP.
27:19
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the inflation figures out today
27:21
Speaker 2: because Jim Chalmer's spin he thinks it's fantastic.
27:25
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what.
27:26
Speaker 2: It's bad news for anyone hoping for a rate cut
27:29
Speaker 2: before the end of the year, with underlying inflation rising
27:32
Speaker 2: from three point two percent to three point five percent,
27:34
Speaker 2: so it's up defying expectation. The odds are on Michelle
27:38
Speaker 2: Bullock sitting tight on interest rates. When the RBA meets
27:42
Speaker 2: in December, now this will be the last meeting for
27:44
Speaker 2: the year. Obviously they don't meet in January. The next
27:47
Speaker 2: meeting will be back in February. Joining me now to
27:49
Speaker 2: discuss the implement implications of all of this. Former Treasury
27:53
Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary David Pearl, David, I had to get you
27:57
Speaker 2: one because I want someone to cut through the spin.
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Speaker 4: Here.
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Speaker 2: Yes, headline inflation is steady at a three year low.
28:04
Speaker 2: But when the RBA meets next month next week, it
28:08
Speaker 2: will be in fact, their focus will be on the
28:10
Speaker 2: underlying number wide and that's the problem.
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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me, Peter, You're exactly right. In fact,
28:18
Speaker 10: the RBA has themselves said that headline inflation, which currently
28:23
Speaker 10: is below the two to three percent target, will be
28:26
Speaker 10: at three point seven percent. It will jump back up
28:29
Speaker 10: above target late next year. So fight against inflation is
28:34
Speaker 10: actually going backwards. And any spin you're hearing from the
28:38
Speaker 10: treasurer or anybody else that the inflation challenge has been
28:43
Speaker 10: met is false.
28:46
Speaker 2: So the expectation from economists leading into these data set
28:52
Speaker 2: out today was that we may get at the front
28:56
Speaker 2: end of next year, the first quarter, some sort of
28:59
Speaker 2: rate relief. They're talking about at February meding of the IRBA.
29:02
Speaker 2: Now they're all running around recanting that today, saying it's
29:05
Speaker 2: really absolutely the back end of the year.
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Speaker 10: What's your assessment, Well, Peter, I think a lot of
29:10
Speaker 10: the market economists understand they've got money to make and
29:12
Speaker 10: they've got clients to keep happy. They tend to get
29:15
Speaker 10: very fixated on month by month numbers, But if we
29:17
Speaker 10: take a bigger picture, look, Peter, we had our last
29:21
Speaker 10: cash rate reduction in November twenty twenty three. I have
29:25
Speaker 10: no doubt that Michelle Bullock and the RBA board that
29:28
Speaker 10: collectively set interest rates would have thought that inflation would
29:33
Speaker 10: have been within the target in a substantive sense by now.
29:37
Speaker 10: That would have been the political strategy. It would have
29:39
Speaker 10: allowed interest rates to be reduced before the election. But
29:43
Speaker 10: that hasn't been the case. Inflation has come down very
29:46
Speaker 10: very slowly. In fact, it's going sideways. Contrast that with
29:50
Speaker 10: what we're seeing in every other developed country, where their
29:54
Speaker 10: central banks adopted a more conservative inflation first approach to
29:59
Speaker 10: raise ratings. Their inflation rates are coming down. We squimmed it.
30:05
Speaker 10: We took our eye off inflation to try and maximize employment.
30:09
Speaker 10: I think that was a political call. I don't think
30:11
Speaker 10: Mishell Bullock would have wanted to do with that, and
30:14
Speaker 10: now we're stuck with inflation going sideways.
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Speaker 2: She's also made the point in the recent meeting minutes,
30:22
Speaker 2: not just the last one, but I think it's been
30:23
Speaker 2: a consistent point from her that she's concerned about government spending.
30:28
Speaker 2: She's concerned about the growth of the public sector wage bill,
30:32
Speaker 2: the employment that keeps going on and on and on,
30:34
Speaker 2: and we've got numbers out today.
30:35
Speaker 4: That it's on the up and up.
30:37
Speaker 2: But she's also concerned at the debt burden of our states.
30:40
Speaker 2: She's concerned about Labour's debt burden at a federal level.
30:43
Speaker 2: We had all those numbers out from Deloitte this week
30:47
Speaker 2: that said the downturn in the budget, the reversal of
30:50
Speaker 2: the good fortune, if I can call it that from
30:52
Speaker 2: the two accidental surpluses, has been quite stark, and the
30:56
Speaker 2: deficit is greater than your all old bosses at Treasury
31:01
Speaker 2: had previously forecast.
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Speaker 4: What do you make of the Deloitte numbers?
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Speaker 10: The Deloute numbers aren't particularly surprising, Peter, because forecasts are
31:13
Speaker 10: to economics what astrology is to astronomy. I don't think
31:18
Speaker 10: we should put too much importance in them. But yes,
31:20
Speaker 10: they've showed the Treasury adopted an optimistic forecast in the
31:25
Speaker 10: last round. But on your point, Peter, about the role
31:29
Speaker 10: that fiscal policy can play in support of munty policy,
31:32
Speaker 10: Michelle looks absolutely right. But we have Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer,
31:37
Speaker 10: who has said that interest rates at the current level
31:39
Speaker 10: of smashing the economy, and any reduction in government spending
31:42
Speaker 10: with smashing the economy. So we've got an economy that
31:45
Speaker 10: has an inflation fire that's burning, and we have a treasurer.
31:48
Speaker 10: That's basically ruled out the two short term tools we
31:53
Speaker 10: have kick back to deal with it. So in fashion
31:57
Speaker 10: problem is going to continue to the election. It reminds
32:02
Speaker 10: me a little bit of Whitnam, where there was no
32:04
Speaker 10: focus on inflation. And as you're known, as your viewers know,
32:07
Speaker 10: it eats a living standards and we've seen how dramatic
32:10
Speaker 10: and lethal that is worse than the sharp processions we
32:13
Speaker 10: had in the eighties and nineties. It's squeezing people and
32:16
Speaker 10: it'll be a decade I think for living standards start
32:20
Speaker 10: to turn.
32:20
Speaker 4: Around just quickly before we go.
32:24
Speaker 2: Eighty seven billion dollars in this off but budget spend
32:27
Speaker 2: by the government. We've just found out about this one today.
32:31
Speaker 4: That's a shocker. I call it creative accounting. What do
32:35
Speaker 4: you think, totally agree?
32:38
Speaker 10: The more you move liabilities and expenses off budget, the
32:43
Speaker 10: closer you get to Victoria under Joan Kerner or countries
32:46
Speaker 10: like Greece. Budgets, as you know, Peter, are critical to
32:50
Speaker 10: transparency and accountability to the executive government. They're a statement
32:55
Speaker 10: of economic and fiscal intent, and if you shift the
32:58
Speaker 10: action away from the budget, it creates scope for corruption
33:02
Speaker 10: and cronyism.
33:06
Speaker 2: All right, I've just remind my view as you are
33:08
Speaker 2: a former assistant secretary at the Treasury Department, a really
33:13
Speaker 2: senior bureaucrat form of senior bureaucrat, and to use language
33:16
Speaker 2: like Whitlam Victoria, Greece. I think people at home are shocked, David.
33:22
Speaker 2: I think they started to really understand what's going on
33:24
Speaker 2: with the books in camera and it's not good. Thank
33:26
Speaker 2: you for your time right after break. More rumblings within
33:29
Speaker 2: labour today and tell me we're heading to an election
33:32
Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. Plus wine Earth is the city
33:35
Speaker 2: of Sydney, the poor old rate payers of Sydney handing
33:38
Speaker 2: over money to that climate mob in Newcastle, Well, welcome back.
33:46
Speaker 2: Not even summer yet, and already people in New South
33:48
Speaker 2: Wales are being told to conserve power as the Great
33:52
Speaker 2: struggles to keep up with supply.
33:55
Speaker 5: So if you can not run your pool filter, not
33:58
Speaker 5: run your dishwasher, not run your washing machine this afternoon
34:01
Speaker 5: between three and eight, you'll help the grid.
34:05
Speaker 4: There.
34:05
Speaker 2: You know, the peak of solar finishes at about three o'clock,
34:08
Speaker 2: just when the demand comes in hard from families. Joining
34:12
Speaker 2: me now to try and make some sense of what's
34:14
Speaker 2: a crazy situation in this country? Energy market analyst saw Cavonic. Well,
34:20
Speaker 2: so let's start at the beginning. I mean, we are
34:23
Speaker 2: a resource rich country. We are the envy of the world.
34:28
Speaker 2: We've been shot in the backside by a rainbow if
34:30
Speaker 2: you look at it in sort of energy terms, and
34:33
Speaker 2: yet it's all in the ground, or a lot of
34:35
Speaker 2: it's in the ground. And we're making ourselves energy poor
34:38
Speaker 2: because we're relying on wind and solar, which are intermittent
34:41
Speaker 2: and unreliable, and as we deter from the premier, when
34:44
Speaker 2: you need the energy supply, they often go missing.
34:50
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean this is now the third near
34:52
Speaker 1: miss in as many years, and we're seeing the signs
34:57
Speaker 1: of what is always the inevitable resolve of the path
35:01
Speaker 1: towards government control of our energy system, and that is rationing.
35:06
Speaker 1: It's completely unneeded, of course. Now it's worth recalling when
35:10
Speaker 1: the Liddell coal fire power station was due to close
35:14
Speaker 1: a number of years ago, we were assured that we
35:17
Speaker 1: would not end up here, and it's very important to
35:19
Speaker 1: recognize if Ladell was still open today, we would not
35:22
Speaker 1: be facing the pressure that we currently do. You know,
35:25
Speaker 1: this has been the government particularly the regulator, to sleep
35:28
Speaker 1: walking in to another crisis you have here. The you know,
35:34
Speaker 1: the idea that you're going to have a few unplanned
35:36
Speaker 1: outages of cold ramping up into the summer is normal.
35:41
Speaker 1: This isn't an extraordinary event the way Minister Chris Bowen
35:44
Speaker 1: is making it out to be. The issue is we've
35:46
Speaker 1: lost all the redundancy and slacking our system and to
35:49
Speaker 1: cater to what are not really that uncommon events.
35:54
Speaker 2: And it's all been done deliberately. I mean I listened
35:56
Speaker 2: to Chris Bowen in the Parliament today, ree's hands about
35:59
Speaker 2: the fact that our coal five power stations have end
36:02
Speaker 2: of life issues.
36:04
Speaker 4: Two things there.
36:06
Speaker 2: One government policy has set them out in the back
36:08
Speaker 2: door and has made the money economic. But two no
36:13
Speaker 2: one's fessing up. But we don't tell people enough just
36:16
Speaker 2: how many millions our state governments is spending in New
36:19
Speaker 2: South Wales and in Victoria just to keep the coal
36:23
Speaker 2: they demonize going to keep the jobs in the economy
36:27
Speaker 2: and the lights on.
36:29
Speaker 1: That's right, and keep in mind it's not just the
36:32
Speaker 1: hostility of the current government we have to coal and gas.
36:35
Speaker 1: Where we're see coal being shut down, gas capacity and
36:38
Speaker 1: gas investment dropping even renewable growth has dropped record lows
36:43
Speaker 1: under the last two years, despite supposedly having a very
36:46
Speaker 1: pro renewables government. So we're actually suffering from a lack
36:48
Speaker 1: of investment across the entire energy system. Right It's not
36:52
Speaker 1: about picking wins and losers. Every single part of this
36:54
Speaker 1: energy system is a loser right now, and that's because
36:57
Speaker 1: you've had on the fly, ad hoc policy interventions, often
37:01
Speaker 1: made up by the Minister on the spot without any
37:03
Speaker 1: consultation with the department. And unfortunately, the chickens are coming
37:07
Speaker 1: home to roost now and this is really just a
37:10
Speaker 1: very small side of what's to come, and we're looking
37:13
Speaker 1: at much bigger blackouts in the years ahead.
37:18
Speaker 2: Explain to my viewers that euphemism demand management, what's it
37:22
Speaker 2: really mean.
37:24
Speaker 1: It's called rationing. It's when you have a shortage and
37:28
Speaker 1: now we're forcing people to go without. And the biggest
37:32
Speaker 1: issue you have here when you have demand management, particularly
37:35
Speaker 1: forced demand management, is actually where it's going to be
37:38
Speaker 1: felt most over the next few years is in our
37:41
Speaker 1: industrial and manufacturing sector. So it's going to be those jobs,
37:45
Speaker 1: blue collar jobs have been deserted by this government. They're
37:48
Speaker 1: the ones who are going to feel at first before
37:51
Speaker 1: we feel it at home.
37:54
Speaker 2: And so I know you look at markets around the world,
37:56
Speaker 2: but I mean, given the state we're in now, and
37:59
Speaker 2: given the election of Donald Trump, who says we're going
38:01
Speaker 2: to be America first, We're going to drill, baby, drill,
38:04
Speaker 2: and we know the energy prices and we spoke with
38:06
Speaker 2: Chris Julman this week. The energy prices in the US
38:09
Speaker 2: are so much lower. Why if you had an international footprint,
38:14
Speaker 2: would you keep your power, your big power using industry
38:18
Speaker 2: in Australia. Why wouldn't you just pack up and move
38:21
Speaker 2: the whole thing offshore.
38:24
Speaker 1: Well, it's not a question. That's happening. We're seeing the
38:26
Speaker 1: shutdown and manufacturing in this country. We're seeing it build
38:29
Speaker 1: up in the United States, and said, a lot of
38:31
Speaker 1: that is because we've lost an energy lost our energy advantage,
38:35
Speaker 1: But frankly it's not that. It's also things like on
38:37
Speaker 1: the approval side. You know, if you want to do
38:39
Speaker 1: an investment in Australia, for example, in a big resource project,
38:43
Speaker 1: the amount of duplicated sets of approvals, paperwork, time to
38:48
Speaker 1: get that through various regulators with no help whatsoever. Versus
38:52
Speaker 1: if you go to Louisiana, they'll have a dedicated person
38:55
Speaker 1: amongst a dedicated department to help shuffle you through the
38:58
Speaker 1: approval process because they are actually relieve in facilitating investment
39:02
Speaker 1: alongside regulating it, whereas Australia we've become completely biased to
39:06
Speaker 1: just regulating and stopping things and not actually attracting investment,
39:09
Speaker 1: which we ultimately want here as well.
39:13
Speaker 2: Thanks for making some sense of a pretty bad day
39:15
Speaker 2: for New South Wales, Saulkvonic.
39:17
Speaker 4: Thank you. All right.
39:18
Speaker 2: We're going to have Senator Jonathan Dunniam on the panel,
39:22
Speaker 2: but as you can see on your screen right now
39:24
Speaker 2: he's speaking in the Senate. That has been a bit
39:28
Speaker 2: of a crazy afternoon there and into the evening.
39:30
Speaker 4: So let's bring in.
39:31
Speaker 2: The other part of my panel, the other half for
39:33
Speaker 2: good haalf to Senator from Queensland, James McGrath Ollen p
39:37
Speaker 2: Senator there, hey, James, Fatima Payment, Lydia thor Paul Enhans
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Speaker 2: and I mean, poor Pauline is just trying to hold
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Speaker 2: up the integrity of the constitution. Fatima Payment was screaming
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Speaker 2: like a shrew, calling her a racist and many other things,
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Speaker 2: and then you had Lydia Thorpe putting up the finger
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Speaker 2: and walking out the door, and now she is, of
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Speaker 2: course suspended.
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Speaker 11: The Senate this afternoon was a really ugly place, and
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Speaker 11: as you pointed out, Pauline was just trying to do
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Speaker 11: her job as a senator. She was trying to table
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Speaker 11: some documents, but the Greens and the left wing cross
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Speaker 11: bench didn't want to do that. They went completely feral.
40:19
Speaker 11: It was ugly, but in the good news that everybody
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Speaker 11: watching this program I think has wanted to hear for
40:24
Speaker 11: some time that Lydia Thoughpe has been suspended from the Senate.
40:29
Speaker 11: It's only until close the play tomorrow, but that's still
40:33
Speaker 11: a day and a half where she can't come into
40:36
Speaker 11: the Senate and behave like an uncontrollable toddler who just
40:40
Speaker 11: thinks it's all about her. The Senate today was an
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Speaker 11: ugly place.
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Speaker 2: Just to answer this question for me, Trudy McIntosh said
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Speaker 2: she'd been hearing that she's going to try it on tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: She's going to try and go into the Senate anyway.
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Speaker 2: Is this where black Rod will step up with the rod?
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Speaker 4: We hope.
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Speaker 11: This is where the black Rod and the attendance will
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Speaker 11: be involved. And whoever's sitting in the chairs as Deputy
41:09
Speaker 11: President or President will need to make the order that
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Speaker 11: Senator Thorpe is not allowed into the chamber. But Senator Thorpe,
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Speaker 11: like the Greens, it's always about them. It's always about
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Speaker 11: their own selfishness, not about the fact that the Senate
41:25
Speaker 11: is as a range of views. We've got to respect
41:27
Speaker 11: each other. It's a workplace. She's going to do that.
41:31
Speaker 11: It's just going to be an ugly day tomorrow in
41:33
Speaker 11: the Senate. We've got we've got business to do. We've
41:35
Speaker 11: got a week Prime ministry, we've got a week labor government,
41:37
Speaker 11: we've got a cost of living crisis. We don't need
41:39
Speaker 11: these tantrums from from left wingers.
41:44
Speaker 2: I know, and I'm torn every night when she does
41:45
Speaker 2: something terrible, do I report on it and give the
41:48
Speaker 2: woman what she wants to give a more air time,
41:50
Speaker 2: more publicity. But I feel like, you know, strainers have
41:52
Speaker 2: got to know what's going on. But let's not waste
41:54
Speaker 2: more time on her. Hey, Labor getting a lot of
41:58
Speaker 2: nervous backbenches, right, and we've been in opposition before.
42:01
Speaker 4: You know the drill.
42:02
Speaker 2: You get them all together and you sort of say
42:04
Speaker 2: to them, we're going to win. Come over the barricades
42:06
Speaker 2: with us. Don't worry about what's happening. In the case
42:09
Speaker 2: of the current government. Of course they are the incumbents.
42:11
Speaker 2: They do not want to lose. The Prime Minister saying
42:15
Speaker 2: I've got a plan, stick with me. The Special Minister
42:18
Speaker 2: of Stayed in the Senate, Don Farrell says, get up there.
42:21
Speaker 2: He's been stressing the importance of getting up all their
42:24
Speaker 2: senators on the ticket. He wants the lower House MPs
42:28
Speaker 2: to campaign very hard for the Senate as well. The
42:34
Speaker 2: PM says personally he'll leave nothing on the field to
42:38
Speaker 2: win the election. How do you see things.
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Speaker 11: Oh, we've got a prime minister. He's not this week,
42:45
Speaker 11: but he's seemi detached and see me retired. He's got
42:48
Speaker 11: one eye on his retirement home, and I suppose one
42:51
Speaker 11: eye on his political legacy. But we've got a government
42:54
Speaker 11: and what you've seen this week is that they've got
42:57
Speaker 11: seventy six bills they want to get through. They're not
42:59
Speaker 11: going to get them through. There's a cost of living
43:01
Speaker 11: crisis in this country. We've got criminals on the street
43:06
Speaker 11: because of Labour's policies. He's not really doesn't really have
43:10
Speaker 11: any sort of control of what's going on, and so
43:15
Speaker 11: there's just weakness throughout this building. The Labor senators I
43:19
Speaker 11: speak to are worried about him that they won't say
43:22
Speaker 11: anything above a mumble or a grumble, but they know
43:26
Speaker 11: they're in trouble. And you go around Australia as you
43:28
Speaker 11: do and I do, the mob out there are not
43:31
Speaker 11: listening to this Labor government because as labor government since
43:35
Speaker 11: the Voice or before the Voice, has spoken about left
43:37
Speaker 11: wing woke issues, not about the economy. And guess what,
43:42
Speaker 11: leaders come into their own, And Peter Darton has come
43:46
Speaker 11: into his own because people look at him and they
43:48
Speaker 11: go he's a strong leader. He says what he stands for,
43:51
Speaker 11: and he stands for what he says for. He's our guy.
43:55
Speaker 11: I'm going to you know, I'm pessimist the election next
43:58
Speaker 11: year is going to be tight, but I reckon that
44:00
Speaker 11: Dutton is going to be Prime Minister after the election
44:02
Speaker 11: and Anthony Albanezi will be in his retirement home.
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Speaker 4: All right.
44:07
Speaker 2: Here, here's a campaign insider's question that I think my
44:11
Speaker 2: audience will be interested in. Do you fear more the
44:15
Speaker 2: electroc being angry at you when you're their incumbent, Because
44:19
Speaker 2: when they're angry, they're at least emotionally still engaged, or
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Speaker 2: do you fear they've completely stopped listening and you can't
44:26
Speaker 2: turn their mind.
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Speaker 4: What's worse.
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Speaker 11: I think it's worse when they're angry at you at
44:34
Speaker 11: the moment. My view is they've stopped listening, they've given
44:37
Speaker 11: up on labor. So you've seen this around the world
44:41
Speaker 11: incumbent governments everywhere from Sri Lanka to France to the UK.
44:45
Speaker 11: Biden effectively sorry, Kamala Harris was an incumbent. The mob
44:49
Speaker 11: have just switched off because they believe incumbent governments are
44:53
Speaker 11: not doing anything for them, and that is what's happening
44:56
Speaker 11: here in Australia. The anger will come when Prepolt starts
44:59
Speaker 11: and that first week of Prepole they'll be lining up
45:02
Speaker 11: to get rid of this government.
45:05
Speaker 2: It'd be pretty unhappy if you're a rate payer in
45:08
Speaker 2: the city of Sydney and you'll find that clover More
45:11
Speaker 2: has donated about twenty two thousand dollars to the climate
45:14
Speaker 2: activists shutting down the port in Newcastle.
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Speaker 11: Oh angry, you should be spitting chips. There is a
45:25
Speaker 11: cost of living crisis in Sydney also, and the fact
45:28
Speaker 11: that any council can give twenty two thousand dollars to
45:32
Speaker 11: a bunch of layabouts who are trying to destroy Australia's economy,
45:36
Speaker 11: trying to stop people getting on with their jobs, trying
45:40
Speaker 11: to stop people earning money. This just shows that's just
45:43
Speaker 11: got the wrong priorities. If they've got twenty two thousand
45:45
Speaker 11: dollars to burn, we'll give it to a good charity
45:48
Speaker 11: like the Salvation Army or something like that, not to
45:51
Speaker 11: a bunch of wanna be greeny layabouts.
45:53
Speaker 2: Goodness sake, James McGrath, thank you for stepping up and
45:58
Speaker 2: covering both sides of the argument there on the panel tonight.
46:01
Speaker 2: Very thankful. We see we're live TV, aren't we. The
46:03
Speaker 2: Senate's on, there's stuff happening. We're bringing it all to you.
46:06
Speaker 2: We just have to roll with a few punches or
46:08
Speaker 2: after break, plenty of words to get through with Kel
46:10
Speaker 2: Richard Cson.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back, Kel Richards joins me.
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Speaker 2: Now I could have a whole lot of words after
46:19
Speaker 2: watching the shrews in the Senate today, Kel, we might
46:24
Speaker 2: save those for next week.
46:25
Speaker 4: I've I've got a long list.
46:27
Speaker 2: But Brian, one of our viewers, wants to know where
46:29
Speaker 2: does the term home and hosed come from.
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Speaker 7: What excites me is when I discover it's one of ours,
46:36
Speaker 7: when I do the research and discovery. This is an
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Speaker 7: Australian coinage coined here nineteen seventeen. It means home and
46:43
Speaker 7: host means, of course, you got the job done, is finished,
46:45
Speaker 7: It's all done, and it comes from an area you
46:48
Speaker 7: know much better than the rest of us do. Horse
46:50
Speaker 7: racing in nineteen seventeen, when the horse had run its
46:54
Speaker 7: race and was hosed and back in its stall, it
46:57
Speaker 7: was home and hosed.
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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
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Speaker 2: I did not know that boon doggle. I love boondoggle.
47:04
Speaker 2: If you watch my show, you know I use a
47:06
Speaker 2: boondoggle a fair bit. Donna and Sue both want to
47:09
Speaker 2: know where it comes from.
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Speaker 7: There's a story behind this. I mean it means, as
47:13
Speaker 7: you know, a pointless activity, particularly a pointless taxpayer funded activity.
47:18
Speaker 7: It's recorded from nineteen twenty nine to describe the leather
47:22
Speaker 7: lanyard worn by scouts now. The New York Times claimed
47:25
Speaker 7: in nineteen thirty five that it had been coined just
47:28
Speaker 7: out of the blue by an eagle scout in America
47:30
Speaker 7: named Robert H.
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Speaker 4: Fink.
47:32
Speaker 7: I think that was his name. Robert H.
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Speaker 4: Fink and he said a toggle. It's a toggle. It's
47:37
Speaker 4: a toggle.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the Nathan Brown isn't. Guys, there's a thing a toggle.
47:42
Speaker 2: So they call it a boon doggle do.
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Speaker 7: They Yeah, they're saying it's not called a toggle. Well,
47:47
Speaker 7: they're saying in America at the time was called a
47:49
Speaker 7: boon dooggle, or he called it a boon dooggle. But
47:52
Speaker 7: there's a story. I don't believe it. I think there's
47:54
Speaker 7: another story which explains it much better, which comes from
47:57
Speaker 7: the old American West, and there was a time when
48:00
Speaker 7: cowboys had not enough to do on the ranch, and
48:03
Speaker 7: they would sit around at the bunk house with a
48:04
Speaker 7: scrap of letter leather and a knife, and they would
48:07
Speaker 7: make decorative but fairly useless things. They coined a nonsense
48:12
Speaker 7: word to describe a nonsense activity, something which is basically pointless.
48:16
Speaker 7: Now that fits the meaning of the word that we have,
48:19
Speaker 7: doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: I think it does much better. I think the other
48:23
Speaker 2: one's absolutely toggle, not boondoggle. And I think that your
48:27
Speaker 2: explanation there, you know, a little bit of a Yellowstone
48:30
Speaker 2: sort of way, makes sense. This is one I never
48:34
Speaker 2: thought to ask you, but I've always wanted to know
48:36
Speaker 2: it's a phrase that we used in politics a lot.
48:39
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to tell you how to
48:40
Speaker 2: suck eggs, but right, I've always hated the term. But
48:44
Speaker 2: there was never a better term or a better phrase
48:46
Speaker 2: that I could use, because I never really heard of
48:49
Speaker 2: this one beyond this particular meaning.
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Speaker 4: Where does it come from?
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Speaker 7: Very old? There's actually a version of it in Latin,
48:56
Speaker 7: so it's a very old expression. The full expression is
49:00
Speaker 7: don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs. And there
49:02
Speaker 7: were variations on it. There was one that said something like,
49:05
Speaker 7: don't teach your grandmother how to milk ducks. Well, don't
49:08
Speaker 7: teach your grandmother how to steal sheep. It was the
49:11
Speaker 7: idea of saying to youngsters, don't teach your elders and
49:15
Speaker 7: betters to do things they know better than you do.
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Speaker 7: So there are a whole lot of these eggs.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, who sucks eggs? Oh?
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Speaker 7: Who sucks eggs? There used to be a way of
49:28
Speaker 7: putting a pinhole in the front and back of an
49:30
Speaker 7: egg and sucking up the contents. Now I'll have to
49:33
Speaker 7: explain all that next week because we're run out of time,
49:36
Speaker 7: haven't we.
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Speaker 4: Oh we yeah, we have we have.
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Speaker 2: I need a better phrase than that one. Nothing else
49:42
Speaker 2: is better than. At the moment, we need to have one,
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Speaker 2: all right, cal we'll do that next week.
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Speaker 4: That's it for me. Up next, Andrew Bolt