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The Takedown of Heather Dubrow | RHOC Recap with Alexis Janssen · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 2: What the heck? You didn't tell me we were starting
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  Speaker 2: with chest pumps and fist pumps and I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know what. What are we doing? Calisthenics?
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  Speaker 1: All of the above. I'm a happy camper. So raindrops,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't see that. But more importantly, my YouTubers, so
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  Speaker 1: you get to see my excitement as we recap The
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Orange County episode eight, I think this was?
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  Speaker 1: Eight or nine. Eight. Eight. Because the mid-season trailer came
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  Speaker 1: out and this beautiful woman to my left was featured.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the best part. This is the best part.
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  Speaker 1: Not only raindrops do I, the Carlos King underscore, get
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  Speaker 1: the exclusive of how Alexis came to be featured on
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  Speaker 1: this season. And she kept it a good secret from
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  Speaker 1: her friend, me. Yeah. I was also thrilled to see
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  Speaker 1: the headline in People Magazine that broke the trailer. And
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  Speaker 1: let's just say Alexis Bellina was the headline because maybe
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  Speaker 1: they knew that would get us to stay tuned for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: Am I lying? Well... I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if people think I come on halfway through
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  Speaker 2: the season as a full cast, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not happening.
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  Speaker 1: But Alexis, before we get into how this came about,
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  Speaker 1: am I lying? Your name was in the headline promoting
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  Speaker 1: the midseason trailer. No.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, when you see me come on there
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  Speaker 2: and have tears, you know, I'm crying. It's kind of
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  Speaker 2: going to get people talking. You know, the tears, the
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  Speaker 2: tears are were real. Oh, God. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: they're going to show from that episode, but you know
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  Speaker 2: how they could play it up or they could play
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  Speaker 2: it back. So you just don't, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to keep you all on the edge of your
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  Speaker 2: seat until that episode.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how about this? Because I don't want you to
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  Speaker 1: spoil anything, but how did it come about? Did you...
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  Speaker 1: Because listen, we are celebrating 20 seasons of the Real
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  Speaker 1: Housewives of George County. I think what we all knew
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  Speaker 1: coming into the season was hopefully we get to see
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  Speaker 1: some of the former housewives be a part of the show,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and we get a chance to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Were you... always going to show up because production called you?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you happen to show up because Tamara just said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm throwing an event. You want to come by? How
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  Speaker 1: did that all come about, if you're allowed to say?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm allowed to say. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: any of this is going to be a spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 2: But Tamara, they had many episodes. You've already seen a
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  Speaker 2: couple with some of the other old faces. So there
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  Speaker 2: were many parties where they were allowing other housewives to
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  Speaker 2: make a cameo, let's just say. Um, and, and Tamara
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  Speaker 2: had asked for a couple other parties that were thrown.
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  Speaker 2: If she could invite me as her plus one. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and then, and then when she was throwing this party,
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  Speaker 2: because it's, um, in support of one of her new
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  Speaker 2: products that's coming out, it's a new Vena drink. Um, she,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she was, she just said, can Alexis come?
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, absolutely. So I think it was more
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  Speaker 2: about just when, when was the right fit going to
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  Speaker 2: be that Alexis can come on, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Without giving anything away. Because listen. I can give a little.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is me and you here now, right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 2: I can do a teaser.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so tease it for me, baby. Tease it for me. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, ask something and then I'll tease.
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  Speaker 1: We see you cry. Were your tears due to a
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  Speaker 1: conversation you may have had with Shannon? No, and they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Air on this one what I happen to say back
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  Speaker 2: to Shannon, which I hope they do air, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they will. So we'll talk about it
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  Speaker 2: when that episode comes out. But my tears were not
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  Speaker 2: because of Shannon. So I will say that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Were your tears because of another housewife? Well, hell yes.
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  Speaker 2: What else were they going to be? John divorced me
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  Speaker 2: at that party? I mean, what do you mean? Why
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  Speaker 2: else am I going to cry?
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  Speaker 1: Were your tears because of Heather, Vicky, or Emily?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Were you caught off guard by this confrontation?
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  Speaker 2: You mean, was I ambushed? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Were you ambushed because of things you may have said
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast? Nope. Oh, okay. Are you... Did you
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  Speaker 1: reconcile with the people who ambushed you? No. There's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a very interesting podcast depending on
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  Speaker 2: what is shown um because if i have to go
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  Speaker 2: off and and state the real it's gonna happen so
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  Speaker 2: let's just hope that they show authenticity in these scenes.
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  Speaker 1: That's all i'm gonna say and listen raindrop just so
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  Speaker 1: y'all know because.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a muzzle put on me and i
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  Speaker 2: will tell the truth of what happened the whole entire
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  Speaker 2: truth which might not be necessarily good for every person
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  Speaker 2: involved so yeah Yeah. Stay tuned, Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm staying tuned. The beauty is this. The beauty
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  Speaker 1: is this. Raindrops. And I'm being very honest. Alexis told
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  Speaker 1: me nothing. She told me nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that's our pact, Carlos. We can talk about the sun,
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  Speaker 2: the moon, the stars, everything else. Our pact in doing
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  Speaker 2: this podcast is we do not discuss anything ahead of time.
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  Speaker 2: And we don't have a script to go off of.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever you throw at me or whatever I throw
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  Speaker 2: at you, it's all real. So no, we have never
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  Speaker 2: broken our pact. And so our pact is going to
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  Speaker 2: stay the same way it is. Even though you do
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  Speaker 2: want to know the dirt ahead of time, I know
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  Speaker 2: you do.
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  Speaker 1: Of course I do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to ignore your texts. I'm going to ignore
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  Speaker 2: your texts until that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Of course I do. But I also respect the professionalism
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  Speaker 1: from my friends. And I'm never going to put my
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  Speaker 1: friends in a position to do something out of line.
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  Speaker 1: So I respect it. I'm not going to go any further.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, Raindrops, this makes us want to stay tuned
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  Speaker 1: to see what happens because I feel like what you have.
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  Speaker 3: Given me is more than enough because the excitement that
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  Speaker 3: is brewing from figuring out what's about to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So, Raindrops, once again, all we know is Alexis cried,
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  Speaker 1: she felt ambushed, and we know that somebody... Whether it
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  Speaker 1: was Heather, Emily, or Vicky, one of those three caused it.
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  Speaker 1: Or more than that. So we have to stay tuned
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  Speaker 1: to see. Real Housewives of Orange County season 20 airs every-
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  Speaker 1: But we.
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  Speaker 2: Do know, and also with all of this, we know
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  Speaker 2: that that tear is not from Shannon because that woman
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  Speaker 2: would never get a tear from me. So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a good teaser. It was good. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I enjoyed the mid-season trailer.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like, I told you if we just stay,
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  Speaker 2: just be positive, cup half full. I said, let's stay,
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  Speaker 2: let's hope.
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  Speaker 1: You did. You actually did.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know it was going to be 14 episodes in.
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  Speaker 1: Bada, bada, bada, bada, boom. And there goes the zing, okay? Listen,
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  Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying this as we, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I got to do this first because you know we
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  Speaker 1: have a very active audience.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So last week's episode, we did ask the raindrops once again, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: about Vicky. Should she stay or go? Okay. And I
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  Speaker 1: promise the raindrops and you, Alexis Jansen.
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  Speaker 2: I do want another. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Let me tell you something. Shout out to my raindrops.
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  Speaker 1: We have a highly engaged audience who listen on Spotify. Alexis.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, real quick, real quick before you start. Are you,
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  Speaker 2: we are both in alignment that we are pro Vicky
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  Speaker 2: staying on because I don't want her off my screen.
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  Speaker 2: So before you start with any of that, I don't
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  Speaker 2: care if I'm in the minority on this or the majority.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I want Vicky.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I said last week was this. Based on
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  Speaker 1: what I've seen Vicky on Ultimate Girls Trip and OC,
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  Speaker 1: my question was more so, as somebody who's a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of Vicky, I love Vicky, my question was, should
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  Speaker 1: Vicky leave to sustain her legacy? Because I'm not enjoying her.
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  Speaker 1: So that was the question. And you said, no, I
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  Speaker 1: want her to stay. And I said, well, let's see
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  Speaker 1: what the others say. Here are the results. We have
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  Speaker 1: 43 comments.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most we've ever had on an episode recap
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  Speaker 1: in history. Oh, wow. Typically it's like 12, maybe 20.
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  Speaker 1: We have 43. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot wait to hear what you assessed.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to just read the top lines. Vicky
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  Speaker 1: has given enough time to retire. Totally agree with Carlos
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  Speaker 1: on Vicky. She wants everyone to thank her and bow down. Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you grace because you haven't watched
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  Speaker 1: the most recent episode of Ultimate Girls Trip. Vicky needs
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  Speaker 1: to go. Vicky needs to go. Her stick is up.
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  Speaker 1: Team Carlos. Vicky needs to go. Time for Vicky to go.
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  Speaker 1: Vicky needs to go. Wish she never came back. Vicky
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  Speaker 1: has given lots of housewives. It's time to tap out
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  Speaker 1: to keep her positive legacy. The party pooper's time is over.
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  Speaker 1: Team Carlos, 1,000%. Team Carlos. Team Carlos. Alexis is friends
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  Speaker 1: with her, which is why she is defending her. Carlos
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  Speaker 1: knows best. Time for her to go. Vicky's acting like
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  Speaker 1: this is a monumental moment. I agree with Carlos. Vicky
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  Speaker 1: is exhausting. I've enjoyed Vicky over the years for the
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  Speaker 1: most part. Agree with Carlos. Agree with Carlos. Team Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with Carlos. Not one. Is there one? Alexis. No,
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  Speaker 1: we are happy Vicky is back. Vicky needs to go.
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  Speaker 1: The orange needs to be juiced. I'm trying to see
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  Speaker 1: Bob Victoria, Team Carlos, Team Carlos, Team Carlos. Alexis, not
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  Speaker 1: one person agrees with you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to remind you words from Carlos King. Don't
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  Speaker 2: worry about the 1% that's on this. Okay? That's all
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say because maybe the other 99% aren't
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  Speaker 2: on your stupid little poll.
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  Speaker 1: That's stupid.
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  Speaker 2: It's only stupid because I lost. Well, I'm sorry, guys.
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  Speaker 2: I really, I love you guys, the Raindrops, but I
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  Speaker 2: really love Vicky. It is true that she's my friend,
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  Speaker 2: but I just, there's something so quirky about her that's
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  Speaker 2: just authentically quirky. Like she's not, you know, the other housewives,
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  Speaker 2: some of them are putting on shows for the camera
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  Speaker 2: and they want to do what they think the audience
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  Speaker 2: really likes. Vicky doesn't care what the audience likes. She's
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  Speaker 2: just quirky in herself. And that's why I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Sorry, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be on the outside. Well, I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to read that first, but I also want
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  Speaker 1: to be fair. And I would like to start this
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  Speaker 1: episode by saying something I haven't said since episode one
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  Speaker 1: of this season. I actually enjoyed this episode. Oh. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: I won't tell you that then we were 10 minutes
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  Speaker 2: into the show and I looked at John. I said,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're halfway through. And then I looked at
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  Speaker 2: my watch and I go, oh, shoot, it's only been
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  Speaker 2: 10 minutes. So I won't tell you that. And then
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  Speaker 2: I kept looking at my watch and I kept pausing
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  Speaker 2: it going, is it almost done? Are we almost done?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not laundering.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go do some things. I want to
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  Speaker 2: get off the couch. Sorry, girls. I love some of
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  Speaker 2: those girls so much. But yeah, it just, I was, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So we don't see eye to eye on this one.
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  Speaker 1: I will say this. And I enjoyed Vicky on this one.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get to that later because the quirkiness to
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  Speaker 1: me was much more digestible than past episodes. But I
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed this one. And I'll explain why. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: it was personal story. And this is so shady. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I love a Heather takedown. So maybe that's why. Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I should have known you were going to. I should
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  Speaker 2: have known you were going to go there.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to come to my show, let us know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure she cannot wait to come running to
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  Speaker 2: your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hell no.
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  Speaker 2: When hell freezes over, she's like, I don't want anything
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  Speaker 2: to do with Carlos. Probably me.
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  Speaker 1: So I've heard. Um, okay. I'm hoping for my sources. Anywho.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things that I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about is, um, The scene that happened in the episode
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  Speaker 1: where Emily, Tamara, and Vicky are talking about Heather. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: because what happened last week, as we know, Vicky was
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  Speaker 1: making comments to Carmella about the fact that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: her 14-year-old daughter was sick and Carmella was in Vegas
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with them. Heather approached Vicky and said, stop,
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  Speaker 1: you're pretty much mom-shaming her. In this scene that began
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  Speaker 1: the episode, Vicky talks about Heather. And what she is
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  Speaker 1: saying is that she feels Heather is entitled. And Emily
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  Speaker 1: joins in and says she wants, meaning Heather, that Heather
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  Speaker 1: wants everyone to fall in line. And that's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: who she is. Before we get into Heather talking to Carmella,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on that in terms
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  Speaker 1: of Do you think Heather comes across as an entitled
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  Speaker 1: person that wants people to fall in line?
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  Speaker 2: I definitely think that there's an air about her that
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  Speaker 2: she kind of wants to lead the room or kind
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  Speaker 2: of be the head dog. But I also feel like
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  Speaker 2: a couple of the other women do too. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that it's kind of like they're all kind of
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  Speaker 2: trying to get to who's the top dog or who's
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  Speaker 2: the one that leads the room. Um, there's others that
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  Speaker 2: the girls that don't really care where they sit or
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  Speaker 2: where they stand or what they do, you know? So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so yes, to answer your question. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: do think so. But I also think that some of
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  Speaker 2: the other women do too.
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  Speaker 1: I think everything you're saying is true. I think when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Heather, look and Heather's real life, Heather
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  Speaker 1: controls everything. Um, Heather has a controlling spirit. We've seen
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  Speaker 1: her with her husband, Terry. She's a control freak. She's
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  Speaker 1: type A. She's just somebody that has that energy. And
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it on this show. It's the reason why
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  Speaker 1: they gave her the label Fancy Pants. It's the reason
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  Speaker 1: why she's anal when it comes to how her house
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  Speaker 1: is organized and everything else. That's who she is. And
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  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: housewives that she has, has to work with. Because once again,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go on record saying this, none of these women
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  Speaker 1: are her real friends. These aren't Heather's friends. When the
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  Speaker 1: cameras aren't rolling, Heather isn't calling Gina to invite her
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  Speaker 1: to the Baccarat Hotel to have tea. She's not doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but Carlos, in all fairness, I don't think many
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  Speaker 2: of these women are true friends. I think we've all
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  Speaker 2: solidified that Gina and Emily are, but But I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really know deep down when filming stops, how
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  Speaker 2: many of them really get together off season. You know?
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you when you say that none of
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  Speaker 2: these women are her friends. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are her real friends. And I'll be honest
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  Speaker 1: with you. I personally would love to see Heather's friends
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  Speaker 1: like be a part of the show, like at least two,
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  Speaker 1: because I am fascinated. I am fascinated by her, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by her world that she has curated for herself.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm fascinated by the people she has hand-selected to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of her world. You know, like, to me,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the process of elimination. It's sort of like,
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  Speaker 1: I like you because you belong here. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: even when the girls reveal that, and this was more
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  Speaker 1: so Jen, Emily, and Gina saying this, that even when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Carmella, which shocked me, not shocked me
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  Speaker 1: that Heather said this because let's be clear, she said it.
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  Speaker 1: It shocked me that they're singing on camera, they're breaking
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  Speaker 1: the fourth wall and saying, all of a sudden, you know, Heather...
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  Speaker 1: is taking up for Carmela, but she has said things
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: about Carmela calling her trashy, saying that she doesn't, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: belong in this group, which is translation. She doesn't belong
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: on this show. But then we see Heather at Carmela's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: house trying to like have a conversation with her.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I think that that's what the audience is kind of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: reading about. And even though they're the other girls, the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: other housewives are kind of reading is that it's, it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: almost like one of them said it perfectly. Gosh, I
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: can't remember who said this on this episode that, Oh, Jen,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I think it was Jen and her confessional said that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: everything seems calculated with what it does. And that's, it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: kind of, if it, if it doesn't feel authentic or
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: if it, if it's not authentic, it's going to be
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: sniffed out. Eventually you might get by with one or
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: two of the not inauthentic things, but then it kind
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of becomes, it kind of becomes your MO. And I
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: think that's what the other one and the audience is
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: seeing right now.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: No, that's why is she talking?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Why is she talking trash on Camilla, but then saying,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: can you help me with a rental and then giving
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: her a big hug and then telling her, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: we saw the episode coming up where she's going to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: tell her, I, I called you trash, you know, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I loved Carmela's reaction. She was like, geez, Heather, that's
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in the trailer. But like, you know, I don't know.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. I think what I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: what I appreciate is the fact that I feel like
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the women are now being brave and courageous enough. to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: talk about Heather in this way. I've been saying it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: since this podcast started in 2022 that this is somebody
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: who I believe does this. But I always felt the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: girls were too afraid of her to call her out
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: on her shit. But this season, they are doing it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And I do find it to be interesting because even
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: when the girls are going shopping and they're talking about Carmella... Look,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Carmella is somebody that physically doesn't look like most of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the women in OC, right? Dark hair, tattoos, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: she has like this rock star kind of feel. She
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily look like some of the women that represent
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Orange County. And I think that's why you and I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate her, Alexis, because when we watch these shows, these
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: shows work because... We don't want to see a representation
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: where everyone is alike. And I think her being this
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: rock star figure is the reason why the audience at
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: large loves Carmella.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also her wit and her, she
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: is authentic. She is not caring about what is being
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: said and worrying about like how the audience is going
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to perceive her boyfriend. You know, she's being very authentic
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: with sharing her personal life, with sharing her family life. Um,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you know, and she just, I, I, I like her wit.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I like her authenticity and I like that she lets
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: everything roll off. Like she does not get, she, she
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: does not get bothered by all the little, you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: digs and things that happen when you're in this group
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of women.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Now, Carmella's wit, like you mentioned, is top tier.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: When she's talking to Heather and she says she thinks
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Vicky apologized because she knew it would make her look
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: bad and wonders if Vicky is like Betty White, where
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you get older and have no filter. And then they flash.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Back to Betty White. I'm sort of saying, like, who.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Who.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Comes up with all of that?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: She's good.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And notice, notice, I can't wait to see how she
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: handles the Heather thing when Heather tells her that she
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: called her trash. I can't wait to hear Carmella's wit
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: in the confessional box. I'm so excited to see that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: But even with the Vicky thing, she's like, Yeah, Vicky just,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like the guy that gets hit in
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the sack and she just, something seems off here. You know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Good stuff.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: No, she's good. Again, kudos to Cass and Carmella. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: think this season, even if the episodes haven't been the best,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Carmella has been the best part of this season to me.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So kudos to Carmella. Um, Emily, like I said to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you earlier, Alexis, Emily, Jen and Gina go shopping. Um,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Jen tells them that in Vegas, Carmela made a joke
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that she's going to buy a dress to cheat on Danny,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty much as her payback. Gina feels that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: if Carmela is saying those things, um, that the relationship
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: they have is not going to work out because if
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you're unable to truly forgive your partner for the infidelity, um,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and you're walking around making those comments is because you
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: truly aren't over it and it's not going to work.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And I agree with Gina. I think Carmela either has
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to accept the forgiveness that she is saying she has
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and not allow it to dictate how she operates in
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: her relationship or for the sake of her sanity and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: mental health, She should leave. But the question remains, is
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: she not leaving because Danny is a good babysitter?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. And I have a little
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: bit of a different take on it. I think that
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: because how authentic and open book that Carmel is being,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I think that she might go back and watch this
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: season and find a way in her heart to forgive
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: her boyfriend. I don't know why. I just think there's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of things that happen when you're filming... a
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: reality show that you, you watch playback and you learn
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: about yourself and you're like, it's almost like it is,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it is almost like a type of therapy. If you
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: really digest what happens and go, okay, that's something I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: need to work on with myself, or that's something I
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: think there's a chance Carmela could go, you know what?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I've been really hard on him. He has stuck by
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: my side because remember she last, last episode, episode seven,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: she commented to his face, When she goes, she's in
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the brown outfit and she's talking and she's like, I'm hurt.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to get over this. I'm never going
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to get over it. And takes the bite of her cake.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And then she goes, okay, well, let's go pack so
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I can go cheat on you while I'm in Vegas
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and do it back to you or something like that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: She said it to his face. So I just feel
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like maybe she'll. regroup a little bit and say, and,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you know, do some inward looking and be like, okay,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I really do love him. I do want to get over.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's just for the kids. Any, any
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: guy you, you, you, you you're with it. You have
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: four kids. They're going to, well, I'm sorry. No mom
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: is going to pick a guy. That's not going to
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: be willing to help out with the kids when you
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: have four kids.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not saying that. No, no, no, no.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, maybe I am a little bit saying this. I, I,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: my opinion, I do think it's rare to find a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: boyfriend that, that is willing to babysit and hang out
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: with your kids while they're sick as you are in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Vegas hanging out with your girlfriend. I think that's rare
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: for a boyfriend.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But they've been together for like how many years now?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And number one, they've been together like four or seven,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: four or seven for some reason. I'm hearing.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I want to say four or two for some reason.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I don't remember one of those numbers, but, but here's
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the thing. When you first get with a guy and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: he becomes your boyfriend, you're thinking long-term with that, especially
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: someone like Carmela when she's got four kids. So I'm
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: sure on the first year they were dating, he didn't
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: just like go, Oh, I'll take your kid with the flu,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you know, while you go gallivant off. But now they're
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: in for such a long time and she's, She did
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: stay with him through his infidelity. So I feel like
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: like if John would have if I would not have
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: gotten that feeling from John that he was going to
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: be a father figure to my kids, like a stepfather figure, whatever,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I would have not even gone on a second date
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: with him. So I don't think Carmela is going to
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: go on dates with guys that she can't see being
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: a part of her family, her her kid's life and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: helping out.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: My advice to Carmela is to get therapy. Go to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: couples counseling.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And you know what? I talked it over with a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: few people about the way you were looking at it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: And you're like, you know, I really do. I absorbed
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: what you said last week. And that is, if she
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: can't get over it, she's really got to let him go.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Because it's going to be, how miserable is their life
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: going to be if she's always got that heaviness? He's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: getting digs thrown at him. I mean, that's just, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: for right now, I get it because they're still not worked.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: They haven't worked through it all. But yeah, therapy. And
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: then if not, it's time to just cut the losses
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: because although he is the one that cheated, he doesn't
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: deserve the constant digs and she doesn't deserve this dark
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: cloud hanging over her of feeling insecure of him.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. I agree.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, look, it's debilitating, right? to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: know that somebody who you love, and like you said,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you make the choice to be with them because you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: do see a future with them with your kids. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to know they cheated, it is a betrayal. You know, Alexis,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: cheating is a betrayal.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you and I have talked about it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I don't honestly know if I can get over it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think I would be the one that could
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: just be so easily to say bye You know, but
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And I don't know if I could
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: take it. I don't know.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. I just don't know. one
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: thing I do know is you can't, if you see
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that Danny in this case is trying and he's giving
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you no reason, then perhaps you may need to let
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: things go because it's not fair to you. And by
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: saying this, it's also not fair to Carmella because you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: should not, as a woman, put yourself through that. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: think that's so self-destructive.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's harmful to both of them. Although he's the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: one that did the act, it doesn't really make it
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: any better that she keeps throwing digs at him. It's
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: not two wrongs don't make a right. But it's not
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: good for her mental health and her health about constantly
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: having that worry about, is he looking at someone else?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Is he thinking about having sex with someone else, like
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: all of that, you know, just too much, too much.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Life has too many other things thrown in your directions
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: all the time, but it's like, that's just not one
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to keep in your circle.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. I agree. I agree. Um, what we
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: also saw Alexis was Emily and her husband, Shane, their
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: wedding anniversary is on Valentine's day. They weren't able to
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: celebrate the day of because, you know, a lot was
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: going on according to Emily. Um, As she and Shane
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: were dating, having a date night for the anniversary. Going
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: back the moment Emily joined the show, because again, I've
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: been watching OC since Tamar Judge joined. So what I was....
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: That's why they have to tune in to watch in
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: person because no one gets our little... When we start
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: laughing and you're listening to it, I mean, people have
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to go, why are they laughing right now? Because they
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: don't see what we're doing behind the scenes.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: That's why you got to watch on YouTube. And it's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: funny because on Saturday mornings, they'd be like, Carlos, where's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: our YouTube? I'm like, it's coming at noon, guys. Noon Eastern. Okay.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So what we know from Emily since the beginning of
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: her and Shane's relationship is Shane is a ball buster, right? Right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: He's a ball buster. He's sarcastic. I've always enjoyed him.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Even when people were like in his first season with Emily, oh,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he's the most hated husband. I always thought he's busting
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: her chops. That's their dynamic. That's their thing. And then
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people turned around saying, wait, Shane's a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: good guy. We now get him. So during this date night,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: what we do learn, Alexis, is that I was reading
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: in between the lines and I wonder if you picked
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: up on it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I was reading in between those lines too, honey. It
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: was double spaced. Okay. Those lines had double spacings.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Okay. Alexa, I'll have you take it away this time
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: because to hear the nuance of I'm just going to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: spit it out. To say we're pretty much together because
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of the kids, I mean, you take it away. As
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a married woman, as a married woman who's gone through
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a divorce, What was your take on that scene? I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: could not wait to talk to you about this particular scene.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Because again, I respect the fact that I'm not married.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: This is a married couple. They have kids. I said,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: this is Alexis Wilhouse, and I would love to hear
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: her POV surrounding the scene. So Alexis Jansen, take it away.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I do think it's true that people try
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to stay together for kids because I did it. I
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: was trying to stay until they were 16. I made
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it until they were 10, 10, and 11.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And wait can I ask you this not to cut
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you off can I ask you this you okay may
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I ask you this because you don't have to answer
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it because you're not on the show and I always
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: want to respect your boundaries but when you said that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: in your mind you thought to yourself okay I'll stay
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: with the kids until they're 16 but you lasted until
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: they were 10 11 do you know the moment you
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: how old were they when you felt that way.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You mean how, what age did I feel like, okay,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I can't do it anymore? Probably right around like eight,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: eight-ish when they were eight. I just knew I've like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I've only got eight more years to go. They'll have
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: cars by then. They can drive wherever they want. And,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you know, there won't be such a fight over who's,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: who gets them, what, you know, the custody thing. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: would say if I felt it brewing probably a year
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and a half or two after I got off the show,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: maybe a year and a half, I felt it brewing
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: like this might not, be salvageable. Um, but then I was,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I was still all, all in, you know, through the
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: therapy and through everything. And then when it finally, when
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I finally realized that I'm only staying in this now
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: so that I could have them have a car, um,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you know, then it just, it just went really South
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: after that. So what I was going to say about
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: relating this back to Emily and Shane, I do believe
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that people can say they want to stay together for
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: kids and you won't, you can't understand that unless you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: have kids yourself, which your dogs kind of are your kids.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: So I do believe that. But here's the question I
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: was thinking. Well, there's two things I was thinking in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: between the lines. I've never seen them be affectionate or lovey-dovey.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Like when John and I are together, we're not huge
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: PDA people. We're like putting tongues down throats and stuff.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But we're very touchy-feely. We're very much in love. We're
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: very much– like you can just feel– that energy. And I, I,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: you know, when I'm with Tamara and Eddie, I can
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: feel that energy between them. They've got this and they've
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: been married for a decade now or over, over a decade. So,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, there, there's just people that exude like, okay,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: they're really in love. And then people that are more transactional.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And I feel like she even used that word. I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: feel like their marriage is transactional, kind of like Hillary
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Clinton and Hillary and Bill Clinton. There was, I feel
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: like that was a transaction.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So then it's like, that's the first thing. And the
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: second thing is when Shane said that, you know, when
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you're in on your phone doing Instagram while I'm putting
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the kids to bed, that was M and F and true.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That was so true that she's in their Instagram. She's
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: doing all those TikToks and everything that it's like the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: big thing now. Poor Shane. I mean, if he's with
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the kids all the time and you know, that was,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and then she defended it. She's like, Oh no, no, no, no. I'm,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm putting the kids to bed too. Um, but he,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: he never said, Oh yeah, you do. Like he, he
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: stood by his, his truth, you know? I don't know.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I just wish, I just wish that if they are
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: staying together for the kids, they can go do some
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: fun things and kind of try to get some spark
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: back in their marriage. You know, that would be, that
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: would be what I would wish for.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where, listen, I have the privilege, obviously,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of working with reality stars who are married, single, divorcees, whatever.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And one thing I know for sure is, like you said,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: staying for the kids is never going to work out
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: for you. It's never going to work out for you
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: because the one thing that I don't think people even understand,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and I got this from reading self-help books, watching Oprah
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Winfrey talk show when it was on, 100% of therapists said,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: staying for the kids is the worst thing you can
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: do because your kids want their mother to be happy.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is now that my kids are adults,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they have told me that they could sense it and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: wished I would have left sooner. Like they could sense it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And so now as adults, even back then, they could
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: feel that, you know, and by the way, the one
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: thing that really, the one thing that I would always
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: pray to God about is I said, give me a sign.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And as soon as the children get involved or the
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: children are seeing things, I've got to leave for the kids.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Because honestly, you don't want your kids to grow up
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: in an unhealthy marriage because then they're going to think,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: that's what they're going to be looking for with their spouse. Like, Oh, this,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this is what mom and dad had. So this is okay. No,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: it's not. It's not okay to not be. I want
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: my kids to be grossed out that John comes over
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: and squeezes my butt when I'm cooking dinner. So what? Yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: he loves me. And yeah, you guys can roll your
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: eyes and be mad or, or you can go in
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: the other room and let me cook. You know, you
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: don't want to know that sometimes I do it with
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: only an apron on sweetie here. So, I mean, I'm
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: just saying, it's like, you know, you want your kids
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to see what love really is like and, and to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: be treated and spoken to well and, and to have
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: doors open for you for the girl. And if the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: boy's not opening the door, you're not getting your allowance
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: because you better be opening your girlfriend's door every freaking
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: time too. Like, you know, you want them to see
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the way that men and women should treat each other
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: or same-sex marriages. I'm just saying your spouse, you know?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: So for me, I just think, you know, I just
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: wonder if when her kids are older, if they're going
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: to say, you know, my mom and dad, I mean,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I haven't had friends that their parents have been together
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: for 50 years and they're like, but I've never seen
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: them hold hands or kiss. Ever. And they've been married
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: 40 years.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's... Yeah. First of all, thank you for
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: your honesty. And thank you for doing what's best for you.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of women need to hear that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: A lot of our listeners are married. A lot of
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: our listeners could be going through this. And I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: our advice is, If you're staying for the kids, once again,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: your kids can sense it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: But I never knew it. I didn't know it until
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: they were this age, you know, older. I never knew that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I thought all the time we I did just just
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: right you know we faked it while we were and
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: then and we got out as soon as when things
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: started to go really south but no they can they
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that kids are so freaking smart even at eight nine
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: ten eleven like.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Because they don't have listen the thing that we have
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: being our age is Even back then, when obviously you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: were younger, the world is heavy and we have so
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: much on our plate. It's the innocence of kids. The
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: kids aren't choosing the right or wrong thing. They're being
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: children by their feelings and the senses of it all.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: And I think kids are so underestimated with being wise
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: because they don't have the heaviness of the world. Because listen,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: They ain't got a word about paying bills and all
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: this other stuff and life is lifing. And my, listen,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Emily gets a bad rap because obviously Emily's a polarizing
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: character on the show and I'm not excusing her behavior.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But my advice to Emily would be, and we saw
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit of this in the trailer. And I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: really want to talk to you about this further. My
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: sense is this. Emily looks drastically different now than when
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: she started the show.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Emily is not the same woman she was when this
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: show started. And based on what I saw in the trailer,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: when they showed her in the two-piece bikini, and they're
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: marveling how hot she looks, and they're pretty much intimating that,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you know, Emily's a different person. Like, she's getting all
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: this attention now. I do wonder, I wonder, and I'm
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: curious by you being in this reality zeitgeist of a world,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: if you have seen this happen, I do get the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: sense that Emily, Emily may want something different because she's
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: not the same woman who married Shane.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she's not going to be the first,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: her and Shane aren't going to be the first couple
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that ever outgrow each other either. I mean- You either
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: grow together or you grow apart. That's the reality of it.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: And if you let a wedge, a big enough wedge
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: get between you, you're going to grow apart. So I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: don't know. It'll be interesting to see because, you know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: there were just so many statements that she's made this year,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: last season, season 18 when I was on, little statements
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: that she's made that I've kind of picked up on
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that just make me feel like they're not really, they
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: are more like just best friends, you know, raising kids together. So-
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: How long can you do that for before you really
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: want to find someone that you just can't wait to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: get home and, you know, whether it's watch a movie
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: on the couch or Netflix and chill with a little more?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: You know, like, I don't know. It's like, I don't
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: know how long you can just do that without needing
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: that other thing where you're like, God, I love him.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to call him. You know, you can
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: have a dozen best friends. You have one person that's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: your partner.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, she said that
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: she's making a lot of steak and they're having a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: lot of sex. So, hey.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, that sounds really good on paper. Every
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: man wants a steak and sex. The two S's, okay? But,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: If it happens once a year, I'm not sure that
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: gets you very far. Shane's like, Shane's like, um, yeah,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: you made me steak up one. And then he changed
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the subject.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause he's like, he's like, he's like, thank you for.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: My one steak. Oh, then he goes, thank you for
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: my steak.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, like, like don't go there. We're good. Like,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: go there. But, um, I thought that was very interesting.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Just seeing their dynamic. So moving on to that, moving
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: on from that, excuse me, you know, the ladies are
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: with Carmela. She invited them over. They meet the kids,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. Then all of a sudden the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: ladies are outside and Emily tells Heather, I want to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: talk to you. And this is my favorite part to me.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Heather exhaled and said, here we go. Like, like, all right,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: we're filming a show and this is what you're about
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to do. Like I'm in the hot seat, right? Alexa,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: did you get the same feelings?
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. As soon as, As soon as someone
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: looks at you and goes, hey, I want to ask
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you something, you're like, it's me, it's me. I'm going
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to get dissected right now. Every housewife exhales and does
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that in their mind. Heather just happened to be vocal
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: That's why I love recapping the show with you because, okay,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: so to our raindrops, let me tell you a secret
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: what happens on set that that alexis can also co-sign.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: So there's this word called a beat right so a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: beat is when a producer goes up to you and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: reminds you to bring something up that you may have
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: shared with them as they contacted you right alexis.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Or something you've said two scenes ago that they didn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: air or they don't know if they're going to air.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And so now they have information. So then they want
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: you to go and speak a little bit more about that.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: More. Yes. So raindrops. When the girls are together, they
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: all know if we're all together, somebody's in the hot seat.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: You may not always know. The only ones who knows
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: is the one who has to bring up the topic.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: One that gets tapped is the one that knows. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: she's holding all the information. And she might go tap
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: another girlfriend and say, hey, come over with me. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: got to do this beat. And then they all go,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: you know, so that's how it happens. And if you
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: haven't been tapped, you better darn straight know that it
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: might be you about to get attacked.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Yes. And one of my Atlanta housewives said this once.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: If you don't get a beat, it's because you are
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the beat, honey. You're the beat.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Sweetie pie, that was so good.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: That was good. That was good. That's so good. Okay.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: So my point is, that's why this podcast- And by the.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Way, you don't like either. You don't like either. You
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: don't like to be the one that gets beat because
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: you also don't want to have to bring up certain things.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh shoot, why did I mention that before?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Now I've got to talk about it again. And you
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: also don't want to be the one that's not beaten.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: So basically these all get together suck is what I'm
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: trying to say.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: So just so y'all know, housewives, they get nervous when
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: all the girls are together because they know like, oh fuck,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: who's my hot seat? Housewives also know when they go
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: out of town on trips, something big is going to happen.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: So just so that's okay. So my point is, Heather's like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: here we go. Like, fuck, okay, I'm in the hot seat.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It's my turn today. Go ahead, Emily. So Emily starts.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: To- Heather, it's been Heather a lot, though, this season.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It's the takedown of Heather Dubrow season. I'm telling you,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: it really is. So to make this scene make sense,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: which I thought, I'm kind of on Heather's side here because-
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Emily is complaining of all things. Heather has to sit
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: at the center of the dinner table. She has to
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: walk in first. She has to walk in front of everybody.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: And Heather's like, what are you talking about? You sit
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the front. You guys also walk
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: in first. When I do it, it's because of good lighting. Heather,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I give you a hard time, but when you're good,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you're good. And Alexis, that was good.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: That was good. She's always got good one-liners. She's witty
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: as hell. She always does. I mean, that's not something...
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: You may pick her apart about other things, but that
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: is one thing you cannot say about her because she
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: has words that a lot of people don't know how
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: to spell or what they mean. And she also has good...
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: She has good witty lines, one-liners. So, I mean... It
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: was kind of the pet, spit it out, Alexis, the
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: pot calling the kettle black when Emily said that because
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: then they flashed back to all the times Emily's in
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the middle and sitting at the center of the table
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and all that. So it's like, okay. Like, honestly, they
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: probably won't find any pictures of me in the middle
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: because I just don't even care where I end up anywhere.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: So that would have been a true statement, but not
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: for Emily. Emily and Heather are very equal in that category,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: in my opinion.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: It is. I feel the same way. I was just
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: sort of like, look, I don't understand why this is
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: an issue. You guys are bringing up that she trash
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: talks Carmella, but maybe you want to do that when
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you're not Carmella's house. So I get that. Tamara tells Heather,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we love you, but sometimes you're a lot. And also
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: said that You know, you screamed at Vicky, telling her
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: to stand down, but you also told us last year
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: you don't like the whole thing. yelling thing because your
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: father did it and Heather's like don't break on my
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: father and Tamara's like but you said it.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly it's like you can't say that because you're the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: one that brought his name into it last season so
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: so it wasn't Tamara that brought it up she has
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: a right to you know that was a very good
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: comparison by the way, that Tamara made.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: It was. Very good.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Very quick, because I would have forgotten about that scene
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: if Tamara hadn't thought of it right then to compare
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: it to.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. I thought it was a good tip. Great comparison.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: And listen, you know me, I love an activated Tamara.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: So I was like, welcome back home, bitch, because you've
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: been missing. I literally have to call 911 and file
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a missing persons report Because I'm like, what the fuck
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: is Tamra? But Tamra gave us a little bit of
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that this episode. So I'll take it. I'll take it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. Heather is in the hot seat. But meanwhile,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Vicky and Carmella are talking. Shannon's there. And, you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Carmella's telling Vicky, like, look, I want to make sure
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: we're good. Because sometimes when things happen, I pretty much
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: have a delayed reaction. And I just want to make
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: sure we're good. And Vicky's like, look. Don't put the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: mom shame thing on me because that was not my intention.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And I want you to know that was not my intention.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: But then it cuts to a confessional where Vicky says
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: that Danny is filling the role many times. Which I
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: did laugh.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I laughed too.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: That's a Vicky I like.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: At the same time, Carmela's not leaving her kids except
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: for going to work. I mean, is she not supposed
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: to work? Let her work, you know?
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: What? No, I'm with you.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Not like she's on a Vegas trip because she's with
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: her best friend. She's on a Vegas trip working because
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: that's where the all-cast trip was. So I don't know.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I had to leave my kids when I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: would do those trips.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Sucks.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I don't like it, but I do it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: It's your job. You're a working mom.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think Carmella's a good mom. I agree.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And I always say this. You can tell what a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: great mom a woman is by the way her kids
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: treat her. Yeah. And, and they treat Carmela like, like
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you said, like she's our mom. Yes. But she's also
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like our friend. Like we like her. We bust her
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: chops too.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're laughing and having fun together. It's not like
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: they're rolling their eyes or like their mom. They're totally all,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: they all do the same shtick, which is fun. They
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: have a great sense of humor in that family. I
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: loved it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I loved, oh my God.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Are we going to get to that? Where she says,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a blow job if the daughter was
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I literally, I'm like, thank you, Carmella, for giving us
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: some comic relief on this episode.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you, she's fan-fucking-tastic. I just love her.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I love her. She's who she is. And I like
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: any woman that is unapologetically her. Like, she is who
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: she is. Speaking of inappropriate things, I did find this
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: moment to be cute. End of the episode where the
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: women are just talking about you know, their relationships. And
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I forgot who said it about, was it Emily who
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: said she does not have the passcode to Shane's phone?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And so let me ask you this. I don't, I've
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: never had the passcode to my, in my relationships. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: by like, we didn't share each other's passcode, nor did
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: we ask. We also don't share location. Just, We just don't.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: We keep each other abreast to like via text, like
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: what we have going on.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: None of your partners, you've ever shared phone or locations? No.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Wow. Do you and John Jansen share location and passcode?
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: You know, we haven't even ever had the conversation about
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: location because we're together. We're either, we know we're, we're
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: either one of our businesses or we know where the
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: other person is. So it's not like, it's not like,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but if we ever discussed it, I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: would totally share my location in a heartbeat. And especially
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: if I'm like, I think I have shared it with my–
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I would share my location with kids when I would
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: be in sketchy– or, you know, if I didn't have
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: John or whatever, I would be in sketchy places or whatever.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: But we– every boyfriend, fiancé, or husband I've ever had,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: and we know I'm on my third husband. Fourth fiancé,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: third husband.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: So, okay.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: We're just keeping those numbers getting high, okay?
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I love it. It's popping now.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I've always– made it very clear. We have to
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: have full transparency with passwords, bank accounts, like, like everything.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, we have full transparency. So yeah, we do.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And not that I'm opposed to the location thing. And
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: it's not like we get on each other's phone. It's
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: not like, you know, I don't know. I've never, the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: only time I've gone on John's phone is when I
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: need to get a picture that he has on his
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: phone to send it to me or vice versa, you know,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: like whatever. And it's funny because the kids all know
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: my password. So then they were trying to figure out
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: John's password to get in his phone and his daughter was,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I got it. I go, how
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: did you know the password? She goes, because it's yours backwards.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: These kids are so smart.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I was like. I would have never guessed that.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. And my kids, that's the thing. My
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: kids have my password. I don't have anything to hide
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: on my phone. If you have anything you want to
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: hide on your phone, you put it in the vault
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: on your phone and then no one else can get
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: into that. But you don't keep things on your phone
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: that you don't. I have a very honest life anyway.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't care who can get it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I'll say this. I'll say this much. It's too much
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: work to like cheat. I feel like cheating is another job.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: And then to keep your, where it would get stressful
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: for me is to keep it, like, where did I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: tell him I just was? Or who did I tell
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: him I was? Like, trying to keep everything, like, I
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: can't even keep the truth together all the time. I'm like, oh, wait,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: where was I going today? Oh, yeah, I'm going there.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I can't even keep the truth.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: So how am I going to do that when I'm
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: trying to, like, cover up something?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: The same way. Because the thing for me is this.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: To hear how, I think, yeah, Shannon brought this up,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: that her ex- The woman he had an affair with,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: he had her number under a different name. Crazy. And
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: because she memorized the number, she called it once, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: it was another name, and she read through the text messages.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: My thing is this. I don't have time for that.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have time to cheat, and I don't have
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: time to be cheated on. I'm not going through your
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: fucking phone. If I feel the need to do that,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I'll break up with you.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so you're telling me that you're with Brian,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: is your boyfriend, current boyfriend.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: And you've been together for a year.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: And you know that something's off and that you think
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: he's lying to you.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: And you confronted him and asked him politely and nicely
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: and you think he's lying.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: You're saying you wouldn't get in his phone.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: And just do a quick assessment and see if you
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: can find the truth. Because this detective would. So, John,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: if you listen to this podcast, sweetie. I do have
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: your passcode and this bitch will be coming.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Through your phone.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: So you better not lie to me because I will
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: find it out quicker than you can even say shorts.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I am not too shy to find out if somebody's
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: cheating on me. Here's the thing. Here's where I would
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: back up though. If I ever got a feeling that
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: someone was, that my partner was lying to me, and
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: there was something off and I felt like he was cheating,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: there's a problem. So the problem goes deeper. And then
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: if he is cheating, you want out. But also if
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you're having those feelings about it, there's a deeper, there's
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: a deep issue too. So yeah, just because you have
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: the passwords to each other's phones doesn't mean you're tempted
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: to look or you think anything's wrong.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like this though. I just, okay. I'm going
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to tell you what I, what I, what I, Okay,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: exclusive for you, Alexis. I can't believe I'm saying this,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: but it's fine. Look, it's you and the millions of
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: people who are watching and listening, which is fine, okay?
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Just me and a million other people.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It's no big deal. Okay, I was in my 20s.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: We had a long-distance relationship, okay? And I felt that
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: he was cheating. And what I did do, one night
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: we were... Coming home, I was visiting him where he
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: was living, and the police sirens came on. And he
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: was nervous, like, oh, my gosh, am I going to, like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: get arrested for, like, whatever reason, right? Like, he was nervous, like, whatever.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: You're a siren.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not thinking it's me.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sirens came on, and the cops pulled us over.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: And he said, if I get arrested, this is my
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: PIN number to my ATM card. And I said, okay.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Why? Were you using his money at the time?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: No, he was just saying like, in case you have
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: to build me out of jail. Oh, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Get me out of jail.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Sorry. Here's my ATM card. In case you have to
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: build me out of jail, here's the PIN number. Withdraw
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the money. Okay. So the cop pretty much said, you know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I'll just put you over because of the license plate, whatever.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: But I remember the PIN number. And because I was
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: suspicious of him cheating on me, Remember back in the day?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: look at Alexa's face. You gotta watch YouTube.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I already know. And I'm so glad you're telling me
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: this story, but keep going. I know the PIN number
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: was his phone password code number.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Okay. So remember back in the day? No. So this
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: is like, this is like early, early, like mid 2000s. Right?
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: So remember back then, you would call the cell phone,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and when the voicemail came on, you hit pound and
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: type in your passcode to the voicemail.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Okay. I called his phone. He didn't pick up. I
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: hit pound, and I said, let me see if his
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: PIN number is the same as his phone passcode, and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: And so you heard voicemails, and was there another dude
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: on there?
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: He was cheating?
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: So see, you are not Mr. I don't do pass code.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: This is 20 years ago.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm just have a feeling, Carlos, if
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you were with someone that you loved and you thought
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: you're wasting your time on a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: you would, you would do some detective work too.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I think I would just, I'll say this much because the, okay,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: so let me finish telling the story. So long story short,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I confronted him. He admitted to it. I was hurt.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: We got back together.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Well, you can't lie about it. You heard the voicemail.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just sort of like, whatever.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: But I took him back. But I remember my mother
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: saying this and it stuck with me. She said, be
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: careful what you go out looking for because you then
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: are forced to make a decision that you may not
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: be ready to make. And she said, if you are
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: suspicious enough to do it, then 99.9% of the time
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: is true. And the reason why I'm saying today in 2026,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: if I feel it, I don't even need the confirmation
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: anymore because I feel like I have enough sense to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: know that whatever. And I would rather say, hey, let's
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: talk about if you are. And I think I think
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I'm smart enough to understand if I at least, if
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I at least position it that way to my partner,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: then they'll say, okay. And if I feel like you're lying,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I'm breaking up with you.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: But, but it's different when you're married though, Carlos, because
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: you can't break up with Don. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Like if I felt like he was.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: If I got to that point, I would have to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: do some research and detective work because you're not breaking
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: up a marriage. Even if you don't know you're going
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: to break up a marriage, but like, So I don't know.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I can see how in 20 years you've grown and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: you've decided I'm just not going to do that anymore.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to end the relationship. But I just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: think you can't really judge it until you're in the situation.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Because if you're madly in love with this man and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: you were thinking about marriage and like you guys have
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: kind of started to co-mingle and you've got stuff at
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: his house, he's got at yours. And I mean, you're
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: not there with anyone, but I'm just saying if you were,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: you might not just say, oh, sorry, I'm getting a
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: red flag. We're done. You might have to do something different.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, 100%, 100%. So my big thing is, listen, Raindrops,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: let us know in the comments again, if you suspect
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: your partner's cheating on you, would you go through their phone?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is so great. We have to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: hear these answers next week.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: We've got to.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: I guarantee this one, I'm going to make a prediction.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I think this one's going to be 40, 60. I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: think 60% of people of your comments are going to be, yes,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I would have a passcode. And yes, my husband and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I do. Because a lot of people do on their
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: computers and everything. I think 40% are going to be
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: like on your side. No, I'm not just, I'm just
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: not going to do it.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I actually agree with you. You do? I do.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I do. I do.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Because the thing is this, I know a lot of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: couples who that's, they have each other's passcode. Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I almost every, I'm trying to think right now, aside
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: from you, almost every friend that I know that's in
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: a relationship has the passcodes.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: So raindrops. More than 40-60.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: It might be more like 70-30.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: No, it's going to be good. Listen, the past poll,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I got 100% to your zero. So raindrops, leave a comment.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Go to Spotify. The Spotify comments are the best. Leave
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: a comment. If you're on YouTube, leave it on YouTube,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and I will read the comments on our next episode.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Just agree with me a little bit, guys, because I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: lost the last one. I can't be a believer every week.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Now you're cheating. Not cheating. Cheating, cheating, cheating. Okay.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: You can DM me and tell me you agree with me.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I'll send you my passcode. So now I'm cheating and bribing.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: She's competitive, y'all. She's competitive. So rain, God, let us know.
• 1:03:54
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• 1:03:58
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• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: on the big screen. Alexis, I will see you next week.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, darling. And my girl is back.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to see it. Gosh.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Love you guys.
• 1:04:10
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• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:25
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