Latest / Forget The Noise / 23. Adversity is a Privilege | Featuring Jordan Mitchell
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- speaker-0: They say motivation something you want. Discipline is something you need. Obsession is something you have to have. I'm gonna show you what I wanted, how I got it, and how I was obsessed to get there. Alright, let's go another week on Forget the Noise podcast. Today we have Jordan Mitchell. So I don't know where to start with him. So 24 years old, first off, just a completely young hustler. Just walked out of the cage, I think, last week. Two speaker-1: two weeks ago, yeah. speaker-0: weeks ago, two and a half years in combat sports, international soccer player, three-time Canadian kickboxing champion, North American kickboxing champion 2025, fourth worldwide ranking, 40th worldwide ranking. first day he walked into the ring or cage, he had a 50-second guillotine submission. Doesn't stop there. He also does gaming, cooking, traveling. He's aiming for freedom and s and security, and he's living by pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. I think I captured all that. I got one of the cameramen laughing at me, so I don't know if I got that right. So, okay. Yeah, so this episode is gonna be full of I feel like we're having waves of like fighters on, then we have a wave of real estate agents on, then we get a wave of like things like that. I'm an advocate for combat sports. I think everybody in the world needs to be punched in the face once. I think everyone needs to step into a ring once in their life, even if it's just sparring. Just being put up against someone else, like everything is easy, punching a bag. Everything is easy, shadow box I shadow boxing target. It's speaker-1: Shadow box and speaker-0: awkward. It's weird, it's awkward, it's like you feel stupid. speaker-1: You're like, you're you're you're you're punching the air. I'm like, I'm punching the air. And then you look around and like, do I look crazy right now? Do I look like speaker-0: You know what I mean? Like it's like that guy that st randomly starts dancing at a bus stop because a good thing comes on his airpods, right? Like exactly. Physically, emotionally more so. I think that's what a lot of people don't realize is like emotion in it. So I'm gonna dive into a lot of that because I feel like with combat sports, especially competing like you are. You put yourself in a really vulnerable situation. Yes. And that's part of the reason I started the podcast to get more vulnerable, get in front of the camera, start really telling my story, being honest about it, not just a highlight reel kind of thing. So I'm gonna dive into a lot of that in today's episode. but let's dive right into it because we have some people that don't even understand how combat sports work. You know I mean? So let's go into like the different categories and regulations between kickboxing, MMA, boxing, like where do you sit right now? speaker-1: So right now, I I just started fighting in MMA. I based myself in kickboxing, like I started kickboxing. I did a little bit of wrestling competitions as well just to get my ground game decent. But right now I'm in MMA so kickboxing it's just boxing your hands, using your hands, you're also using your legs as well, you're going for head kicks, body kicks, leg kicks. you can go for sweeps and trips, you like like you can trip the person out, get a point. It looks good on the the scorecards g looks good for the crowd as well. ground work. speaker-0: There's no groundwork. speaker-1: No groundwork. No groundwork in kickboxing. There's also knees though. You can knee to the body and knee to the head as well. And then if you go Muay Thai, Muay Thai is also elbow, same thing but elbows as well. speaker-0: So you got eight. I Moyita has eight points of contact. Six. Yeah, yeah. Okay. so eight, let me explain, is fist, elbow, speaker-1: knee, knee, shin, foot. speaker-0: Shin foot times two. Yeah. Ultimately. That's pretty much what it is. So it's like eight points, six points. Versus that. Let's get into you know, let's just go right to the top, you know, fuck it. fourth worldwide. Explain. Explain speaker-1: yeah. speaker-0: the ranking, how that works. Because like I find the boxing world is really confusing for people because it's like I'm top contender in my weight class in the WBC, not the WAC, and like speaker-1: It's not many titles, yeah. speaker-0: so explain like the fourth worldwide. speaker-1: So when I started kickboxing, the whole goal was to reach as high as I can in amateur kickboxing, get as much experience as I can and move up the move up the ranks so that when I transitioned to MMA which I did I'd have more more leverage to like more leverage. I wouldn't have to bang out like 10, 15 fights, I'd go do like maybe five, six fights and then go pro f from there. So I started the the first fight I ever did was a kick light fight. That's like a developmental tournament where it's like 30%, 50%, 70% contact. And then from there we went higher. We went club shows, we went we went into different tournaments like provid provincials and then we went nationals. I won that three times and then I went to Century Cup, the North American tournament, won that one, and that one qualified me to fight for Team Canada in Abu Dhabi at the World Championship. speaker-0: Holy shit. So this fifteen and three record, is that combined between combat sports? speaker-1: Yeah, that's combined between everything, yeah. speaker-0: Okay, so how many kickboxing MMA? speaker-1: kickboxing I'm ten and two officially. Like I have a few exhibitions as well. So ten and two officially with four KOs and then MMA one and one with one finish. speaker-0: Okay, so with the kickboxing, is it like boxing where you do a lot of like I hate to say grunge kind of fights where it's kinda like just to get your feet wet kind of thing? Yeah, I find a lot of my buddies are boxers that went into the competitive aspect. Yeah. They got paired up with someone who who they knew they were gonna destroy. Yeah. Like that is kickboxing the same kind of way with that? 'Cause it that's gotta help with the mi it's gotta be a mindset thing. It can't be because I you can spark with someone that's shitty in a gym. speaker-1: thing is I I know people that do do that. I know people that have speaker-0: 'Cause then you walk into your first amateur fight fifteen and It's like yeah, it's like that perspective. Like, you know, and it's a mental game. I feel like it didn't really gain experience from it, like speaker-1: think I did the opposite. I th I like I know I know people that did kinda pad their record still speaker-0: That's a good yeah. speaker-1: I the first fight I ever got, like the first full contact fight, it was against a guy with three years of of training. I trained maybe five months before that. Like I I started I started like brand new at like twenty one. And he had three years of experience. He trained with Alex Pereira, UFC wow UFC champion. He trained with him before that fight and I still gave him a hard fight. That was my first fight. So I don't I've never really I lo I I didn't win that fight. I lost That fight, but speaker-0: Meaning walking padded. speaker-1: I didn't walk in padded. I walked in fresh. Exactly. speaker-0: Yeah, right. speaker-1: And I I took that fight. And yeah, so I feel like I've I've done the opposite, because I feel like if you pad if you continuously pad your record, you're not really learning anything. You're beating someone that you already know you're gonna beat. The real a real competition is when you go into a fight not knowing what's gonna happen, not knowing the outcome, and still getting the result you want, still getting the win. speaker-0: I think a lot of people don't realize that when you walk into a fight. It's like you know, I'm gonna save that for later. We're we're gonna dive into that mindset thing a little bit later. so what point does that make what at what point do you become a pro? Like you're going through these amateur fights, you've transitioned from wrestling to kickboxing now MMA, you've gone around the world doing it, you've done national champions, provincial champions, like what point can you say you're a pro fighter? Like what d defines you as a pro fighter in all the sanctions? speaker-1: My mm My mentality w when I go into a fight it's it's an amateur fight, right? But when I g when I go in mentally I tell myself I'm a pro. you know you're a pro when you can handle s all certain situation or like all different situations. You can handle yourself on the ground, you can handle yourself on the feet, you can handle yourself if you get hurt in the first thirty seconds, you can handle yourself if you if you dislocate a shoulder, which has happened to me in a fight as well. you can handle yourself in s in in different situations and still be still be vic victorious. speaker-0: So when can you put on your profile that you're a pro fighter? And speaker-1: V very soon, very soon. speaker-0: is it self proclaimed or is there a sanction that says that you need to meet a certain requirement to say you're a pro fighter? speaker-1: You need a well you need to you need to have a certain amount of fights. Like you you have to have at least I think in MMA I think it's at least five five fights and then you can apply to go to go pro with a certain organization and then once you make your pro debut from there it's all pro fights. speaker-0: I see. Okay. So there is a regulation to it and stuff like that. try to find some quotes in my book about fighting. I am the greatest. I said that before I even knew I was. Everyone knows that one. Like that's a pretty standard one. I think being vulnerable and being punched in the face, like I said earlier, like that really makes you honest with yourself. But there's a false psyche you need to hype yourself up. To hype yourself up. I don't care what you say. Like I'm confident in fighting. Like if I went into like even a sparring mar match or an amateur match, it was one of those like it's always in the back of your mind I'm gonna get fucking punched in the face. But y you know what I It's like this is gonna suck when I get punched in the face. So it's either I gotta take a lot of them and get pissed off and give it back ten times worse or let's just try not to get punched in the face. But you you're gonna you know As much as you think you're better than the other fighter, and it doesn't matter how good of a fighter you are. Like I could put you at T-bone right now, and he could slip a lucky one. Like it's just part of the combat sport, and that's why it's great about it, right? So like speaker-1: has a puncher's chance. speaker-0: Yeah, so right now, like what are you saying about yourself that isn't true or you had to psych yourself up? Like, is there some part of you when you're getting ready for a fight where it's kinda like I'm gonna say I'm confident, but I'm not. And I won't wanna give away like secrets or holding your game anything, but everyone has that, right? Like I know I'm not good at being an offensive fighter. I'm a very defensive fighter. You piss me off and I bulldog you. Yeah. So I know that's a weakness in my game. Yeah. Like, is there anything with you that you just know with yourself and you're honest, but you psych yourself up saying, you know speaker-1: I I so for for a fight camp, fight camp is like it's six to eight weeks, right? Yeah. In the beginning, you're all confident. Like, yo, I I got this fight. You see the picture, I'm gonna get this guy out. This guy's easy, this guy's chiny, this I'm gonna knock this guy out. Towards the end, that's when the doubt hits. That's when the doubt hits and you're like, Wow, I'm I'm I'm going into a fight. I'm going to a into a fight right now. Anything could happen. I like to psych myself up to towards the end, I like to psych myself out the other way. I like to tell myself all the bad things. I tell myself, okay, what's the worst that can happen? I'm I'm gonna get knocked out. I'm gonna get knocked out in front of people. Get comfortable with that thought and then and then go into the fight and prevent that from happening. That's kind of like my speaker-0: I actually just read a thesis paper where it said that business owners who accept failure actually succeed more because they've already found a solution to the outcome of failure. And speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: it's actually statistically proven that they succeed more. It like I was reading that, I'm like, well, fuck, like I can tell you where my business is gonna fail. I can tell you a hundred places my business is gonna fail, right? Exactly. You know what mean? So, like, no, I love that mindset, and like, but I think a lot of people have like a scared mindset where it's kinda like Especially if you've never I've been knocked out and it's like Really it's a scary feeling. Like, you know what I mean? I I like I remember I was doing an amateur MMA fight, I got my I I heard the the wood clap and I'm like, I got it, right? And I for some reason I just let up a little bit. I had my bell rung, I open my eyes and there's someone on top of me and I see it get broken up and I was like thank God. Like I I don't even remember. I I I don't remember anything. I just like and that the first time I got my bell wrong and I'm like, it is a scary feeling getting knocked out. It's like getting your bell wrong and not knowing what just happened. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: And luckily like and it was my fault too. It was like I heard the wood clap and I'm like, I got ten seconds. Step back, take a breathe, and just run the ring out, right? And then the guy and he caught me. Just a right just right like right jab out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. And I was like I speaker-1: It's always the ones you don't see coming. That's speaker-0: Well that's the thing, I I saw I saw him lined up and I'm like, I'm vulnerable. Because you know when you're vulnerable. Like I I knew I was vulnerable. I don't remember the fist moving. I don't remember the fist hitting me. I don't remember any of that. I remember waking up on my back and I remember getting a little toughle. I thought someone was on top of me, someone else is ripping him off me, and I was like, what just happened? Like, you know what I mean? speaker-1: I didn't know you fought. I didn't know he fought as well. speaker-0: Yeah, I did a bunch of amateur stuff, yeah. really? Yeah, so up until I was twenty two or something like speaker-1: Mozing record. speaker-0: that. amateur I was like seven and one and then MMA I was like two and one or something like that. Yeah. But they were like local gym fights, that's what they were. They were like speaker-1: They're like smokers. speaker-0: Yeah, that's what it was, right? So like I started boxing that was boxing at a gym and some one of the coaches liked me and goes, Hey, you wanna represent the gym? I'm like, Yeah, cool. So it's kinda like they're trying to introduce boxing into the gym. Wow, okay. So they picked two or three of the main guys and would train there regularly, and then slowly part of it was like, Okay, if you fight, We'll pay for your membership or something like that, right? But you gotta help us train classes and do the circuits and you know like the camps and stuff like Yeah, yeah. And that's kinda what it was, right? But it was like a regular thing. Like I was horrible at fighting. Like I like fighting, I was like good at fighting because I could fight, but like like actually strategically, I was horrible. I think after every fight I pissed blood because I punctured a kidney. Like it was just a game. I remember when I first met my w my wife after I did an amateur fight, met her at the bar and I'm go, I gotta go. And she's like, Why am I just pissed blood again? I gotta go the hospital. And she's like, just like that and like speaker-1: Yeah, like a normal speaker-0: Yeah, like a normal thing, right? Like it just I was used to getting beat up a lot, so yeah, so right now with yourself you're good at psyching yourself up at failing. And it d people don't register that and it's crazy how like it's such an important thing about it. speaker-1: fighters they delude themselves. They're like, I'm gonna win. There's no there's no chance of me losing. I do that to an extent because you you need to you need to tell yourself you're the best, right? But you also can't delude yourself. You also have to tell yourself anything can happen, but what can I do to prevent this certain outcome from happening? Yeah. And getting the outcome I want. speaker-0: You said your friends got you into it. Mm-hmm. speaker-1: How did that happen? So speaker-0: Bro, you can throw hands, let's do this. speaker-1: we'd always like back in high school we'd always like we'd always like play around. We'd always we'd always play fight, right? Ever every every speaker-0: The hands and pillows. speaker-1: No pillows. But we'd always we'd always play fight. I never lost. I never lost in in high school either. but we'd always play fight and I used to play soccer. I I had aspirations of playing soccer professionally. that didn't work out because of because of a a few injuries and I was aged out. So I go to fight against that. You know the funny thing? I've I've been more injured in soccer than fighting. Yeah. speaker-0: But yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. That's insane to me. But speaker-0: friends got you into it, were any of them actually competing at the time or speaker-1: No no, they just ho we they were just like yo we're gonna join this this gym. you g you gotta join it. We're we get to like fight every day, we get to spar and stuff and like this was like fresh off like a a failure in soccer, so I like, I'm not really feeling it and they were trying to push me towards it just to help out like my mental. So I was like, Okay fine, I'll I'll do it. I tried it out for the first time, fell in love with it and they they eventually stopped but I never stopped since and that was about two and a half years. speaker-0: So they're not continuing with it. No, no, no. So I was gonna ask, I'm like, bro, the way you're going, I'm like, What's if you make it and they don't? Like what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen to the friendship, bro? speaker-1: They just went recreationally. I I I went recreationally and then people were telling me, you're so good, you're so heavy handed, you're you're you're you have so much potential. So I like, okay, maybe I can maybe I can do this and I found success r pretty quickly in it. Yeah Yeah, yeah. speaker-0: Well, five months in. Five months in. boxing is the only sport where your brain where you get your brain shook, your money took, and your name in the Undertaker book. I I read that and I was actually looking up quotes and I was like, that's actually kind of funny. That's funny. so now you're on the path, you've done some amateur fights, and like I said, with these podcasts, I want people to get value out of it, right? So like I don't know if the fighters listening, I don't know if someone just Willing to take a chance on themselves, even try something new. It's comparable to trying something new, right? You have a twenty year old listening right now, like, and they want to follow something they want to do. They fell into something, it's like, I'm pretty good at this, I want to like pursue it and everything. Like what would you n now that you've gone through the hardship, the wins, the losses, kind of both, like what would you tell them to like prepare for or what would it take? He's like only 24 years old and like you've won and you've eaten shit. So it's kind of one of those like what would you tell them to prepare for and what would you tell them like, hey, FYI, like look out for this? Combat speaker-1: Like if they wanted to do combat sports or speaker-0: sports or just pursuing something you like you fell into combat, you're good at it, you love it, now you want to pursue it full time. It's like like what would you prepare someone to do when they just kind of like fall into something? speaker-1: analyse yourself. Be like, what am I good at? What am I not good at? What am I best at? And try to find a way to to do what you to to make money doing what you're best at and also to have fun. speaker-0: And do think being see I find there's a lot of that like advice where it's like find what you're good at, fall in love with it and do it. But then like you're saying, you had to set yourself up for the failure part of it. Like I find people need to find out what they suck at too. Because like in business, I'm like now I've learned like when I've sucked at something, like I've just I just give it to someone else to do. Like that that's the best way to do it, just give it to someone else to do, right? Like but with combat sports, like what can you give someone else? If you suck at someone you you just g speaker-1: You gotta work harder. You gotta work harder, you gotta fix these these problems. speaker-0: so I'm a visionary, right? Like I loved looking at the big picture, standing a hundred feet back, looking at kind of like the bird's eye view and everything. How did fighting become like your empire? Because you said you wanted to make it your empire. Like how does how does this all play out? If you got to look back look ten years down the road, you got everything you wanted, like what's the thing that's gonna make this your empire? Money. speaker-1: Not necessarily money money yes but money is a tool money is a tool but like I said money's a tool for freedom I want to I want to pursue something that's speaker-0: The speaker-1: I want to go down the path that's not often traveled everyone's traveling the same path trying to get the the same res same results I'm trying to do something that's that works out just for me that's that's unique just for me and I want I I just want freedom. I just I just wanna live my life, I wanna do what I wanna do and not have to worry about things like bills and and expenses and and all all all of that. speaker-0: So do you see career career in fighting possibly opening doors to build other let's say like say credibility, right? So like you can open your own gym or you can have a training fighters speaker-1: Exactly. speaker-0: and make a profit off them, like kind of thing. Like do you see yourself going that way or do you see yourself just banking stacking a bunch of cash with bit with fighting and then going off and completely leaving no the sector? Like do you always see yourself in that in a speaker-1: I see it as using it using it as like a stepping stone. you said one of your questions were do you have a finish line? Yeah. I don't necessarily have a finish line. I I like to that was the next one. my god. speaker-0: That was the next one. That's where he stole it. No, just run with it now. Here, take the fucking ta take the notes and everything. Take it all. Like ruin it. speaker-1: Que coisa vai ter chato. speaker-0: Keep going, you already ran with it, so no one wants to see you finish a race, not me. Like speaker-1: What was I say I yeah. The theory off you think I I was in a zone, I was in a zone speaker-0: Yeah, I need to be stepping stone. speaker-1: yeah, fighting is a stepping stone, right? I you y you asked if I have a finish line. I'm I I don't have a finish line. speaker-0: You just insinuated that you were gonna drop the gun and ask yourself, but okay, cool. So we're just gonna point both cameras towards you and just cut me out of it, just kinda like hard line here this way. Yeah, no, but like it's your stepping stone, but like where's your finish line? Like is it in the fighting industry? Is it out of the fighting industry? speaker-1: The fighting initi f fighting as like a career, that's basically like my prologue. That's my that's my that's the main story if if you know like gaming or anything. That's the that's the main story. So there's a finish line there. But after that I wanna do other things. I wanna open businesses, I wanna I wanna have a family, I wanna I wanna I wanna do many things. So fighting is a stepping stone towards that that epilogue. speaker-0: So you're looking at almost like your prelude to your story. Yeah. And speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: that's cool because like there's the deferred life syndrome, people call it, where they're like, hey, once I get to this point, my life's gonna start. Right? But do you feel like right now, like, this is a prime a lot of people would just wish for? Like a lot of people, what you're living right now, a lot of people would are aiming for that to just be their main character story. Like, you what I mean? And you're looking at it as like, nah, bro, this is like kinda like warm-up. Yeah, you know what I mean? speaker-1: You're you're looking at you're looking at the development phase right now. Right now I'm in the development phase. Couple more years you're gonna I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back on this podcast and I speaker-0: We're doing like a psycho rent. I think we're almost at that point. I think what are we four months in now? Five. Five months in? So we gotta start circling back soon. I'm gonna do a fucking round table. Yeah? Yeah, and I'm gonna bring like someone from like real estate, someone from fighting, someone from psych, someone from fitness. yeah. I do a round table of like a bunch of different perspectives on how people act, and like I find certain white collars very like strategic and analyzed, and then like, you know, combat, they're like fuck it, I'm just gonna punch you in the face. I don't care, bro. I'm just gonna punch you in the face harder. Like, you what I mean? So it's like speaker-1: back on that one I speaker-0: Yeah, so we'll do like a round table kinda episode. We're gonna rent a big like I don't know, we'll find a space or some shit like that. So you generally think your fighting is the prelude to your story, like the warm-up and everything like that. It seems like you're dreaming a lot bigger. And I find like a lot of our guests dream bigger and everything. Do you find you're always gonna be in that phase though where it's kinda like, well, now I'm done fighting, I see this opportunity. It's like, well, now when I get past that next opportunity, like someone says, Hey, can you become a trainer? Because now you're a pro fighter. It's like, okay, I'm gonna be a trainer, and then once I'm done being a trainer, then I'm gonna open my gym and then my life starts. It do you feel like that deferred life is always gonna be chasing you down? speaker-1: No, I I speaker-0: Like that. He's second guessing himself. No. Well now that you brought it up. Yeah. Now who's a host? Now who's asking the questions? That's right. I'm asking the real questions now. speaker-1: I like that I like that chase. I like to I like to I like to chase a goal, right? I if I if I'm not chasing something, I just feel like I'm not doing anything. I I just feel like I'm stuck. I'm stuck in like one one position. I like to I like to chase the next thing, you know? speaker-0: Get it. I'm the same way. I just did a talk where I told people, I'm like, if I'm not under pressure, my back's not in a corner, don't expect shit from me. Exactly. You can give me the simplest task today, and if you don't back me into a corner, it won't get done. Now you back me in a corner and give me 10 of the hardest things to do where that's impossible. I'm like, bro, I'll show you. I'll show you all day, every day I'm gonna show you, right? the curse of discipline is that every day looks the same. The curse of indiscipline is that every year. speaker-1: Year looks the same. I just saw that quote on Instagram a couple days ago. speaker-0: Did you or did you see it on my nose? No, no. I swear it wasn't too Yeah, now he's already like, one up you already saw that though. speaker-1: He one-up me, I had to one-up him speaker-0: But it's true though. I and like especially in what you're doing, discipline takes it's on a different level. There is a different level of discipline when you're prepping to get punched out. Like, it's hard. You know what I mean? And like speaker-1: It also it also motivates you, right? If if you're feeling tired, I don't wanna do I don't wanna go into train this day or what or whatever, you can think back to yourself and be like, someone else is training just maybe harder than me and they're coming to try to beat me up. So that's a that a that's a motivation in itself that that gives you that that gives you your drive, that gives you d your discipline to work harder than the other person because if you're not, then it's gonna it's gonna show in the ring and you're gonna pay for it. speaker-0: Now we're gonna dive into this. So I want your your actual perspective on this. So you just said that motivation. So you know someone's training harder than you. It's gonna motivate you to get into the gym to train. But then once you're actually in the gym You have to have the discipline to actually do the work. Yeah. Yeah. But then to continue that session, you have to be obsessed to do what you don't want to do at the end of the session when everyone else quits and you keep going. Keep going. And have this thing where it's like, motivation is something you want, discipline is something you need, and obsession is something you have to do. You know what I mean? And like, there's more phases to just motivation. Like you can say like, yeah, that guy's training hard, I'll show up to the gym. But if you get to the gym you don't have the discipline, you're not gonna do shit. It's all talked. Yeah, it was all talk, right? But then when you're done your session and you have your two hour training session, everyone's packing up their bags, it's kinda like I have to go that extra half an hour because it's I have to go that extra half an hour. It's not something I want to do. It's like I have to do it. speaker-1: Yeah, motivation is is the base. Motivation gets you to to the place, but discipline's what what keeps you there. speaker-0: So I I like to grind, I go. Like I I woke up at five thirty this morning, I feel like my world fell apart. That that's how like dialed in and granular I am. And I'm finding I'm doing it to be my best self. And I feel like now that I'm starting to have a presence, starting to have like people that are motivated because of me, I have to be my best self and I'm just like I'm tired. Like it it wears on me to try to be my best self. Like I'm tired of being my best self and people don't realize like, you know, he's going to the gym every day or he's eating healthy or he's running his business or he's got his podcast. It's like he's got it figured out, he's got it made. It's like, bro, it fucking sucks. Like it sucks every single day. Like 90% of my day I don't want to do in my head, it's already done. So it's already like, you know, I just gotta get I just gotta do the timestamp that it's allocated to. Yeah. Because in my head I've already done it. Like this podcast, it was one of those like I've already done the podcast in my head. When you guys showed up and I was still trying to do a show prep, speaker-1: You already done. speaker-0: I was already in my head, we've already recorded the podcast. Now I just gotta do the work to prove that it's done, kind of thing, right? Like that. And it's not I find it's not a mindset at that point, it's just a personality trade. Right? Like you, you wake up, you go to the gym, you do your training. But at what point do you find It turned that it's just who you are, right? That's what that's his personality. Your habits and actions slowly create Yeah, create like your personality. Yeah. That's what they do, right? For me, it turned when I'm like, okay, this is just who I am. When people start reaching out saying, bro, where's your son and talk? Like that motivated me every day, or bro, no gym. Like I show up to the gym every day, like and you didn't show up today, like everything good. Like I'm starting to look at it like, okay, that's who I am now to other people. It's like Okay, now it's turned, now it's changed, now it's like now I've realized like this is who I am. By you doing the work, like have you felt that yet or like are you like, you know, the fighter? Like you you look people know you as like the trainer, the fighter, the like art like the artist ultimately, like you know what I mean? speaker-1: yeah, vr people know people know me as just the fighter now. Like I'll go with like friends and stuff and they'll introduce me and they'll be like, Hey yo, this is this is Jordan, this is that fighter guy. I'm like, I I do other things. I I feel like I do other things, but yeah, that that's my whole personality now. I because Because I'm so disciplined and because I've truly I truly became obsessed with this sport, I've kind of cut off everything else. Like all I do is wake up, train, eat, sleep. That's it. speaker-0: Ooh, let's talk about the lonely chapter. That's not even in the notes. I'm gonna just throw you off here because I see you peeking. speaker-1: I was not P Maybe a little bit. speaker-0: So lonely chapter is when there's friction between your old self and your new self. So like your old friends wanna go have beer and wings and stuff, but you don't want to have beer and wings. So like it's either you stay home and you miss out on it, or you go out and they give you the like, just have one beer, or it's cool to eat wings and this and that. Like you can't have one wing, bro. Like, and there's that friction, right? But say you haven't been training at your gym. long enough to be with the sponsored fighters. So you're you're they see you, they acknowledge you, but you're like you're not training with them yet. So you're in this weird, like, lonely chapter where you're like moving away from this side and moving up this but you're not ready for your next set, I guess, of your social circle kind of thing yet. Do you feel like you're in that lonely phase now or are you high enough now that you're in that next phase where like I have a support around me? Because we all needed some sort of support group or anything like that. Do you feel like you've skipped through that lonely chapter now or did you even feel it at all? 'cause you moved up pretty quick. So it's like I don't know if you even experienced that because you went from like just walking to the gym and say, Hey bro, this is a sponsor fight like you know what I It's do you feel that at all through the transition? speaker-1: I think I th I felt it pretty briefly. I felt it pretty briefly. Now that I'm speaker-0: Like missing out on a Friday night with your friends and going to bed early. Like Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. It it it took a little bit of getting used to, but now I like I said I'm more I'm more disciplined now, mo f more focused on on on my goals. It's a little bit easier for me now to to Say, hey, you guys are going somewhere, I'll go I'll go I'll go out with you, but not now. I'm in camp. I'm in I'm focused on the fight right now. That's the beautiful thing about fighting. You can do a whole training camp, six to eight weeks, lock in for that six to eight weeks, you win your fight and afterwards that's when you can you can settle down, you can party, you can go out with friends and but speaker-0: It's a whole FOMO thing, right? Like they're missing out. Some people don't want to miss today for a better tomorrow. I actually just put that on my tattoo. Yeah. Today's discipline for a better tomorrow. Like it's buried in the tattoo. I haven't even seen it where. but I find a lot of people don't want to give up the discipline today for a better tomorrow, right? They can't look at the they they don't have the, I guess, integrity to kinda like stick with something to not miss out on today. I'm good with it. Like I am in the loneliest chapter of my life where I can do absolutely anything by myself. Like Dinner, movies, anything. Like I can just be by myself and I've almost embraced the lonely chapter where I'm like I'm I don't think I'm coming out of it. Mm. It it's sad. Like even sometimes I'm like, bro, later I'm going to bed, like I'm done. Like speaker-1: It's temporary, it's temporary because you're you're grinding for you're grinding for your dreams, you're dr you're grinding for your goals. Once you hit that, then you can then you can settle down, kinda kinda kinda have fun a little bit, but still keep still keep your focus. It's just temporary. It's it's a it's a building block. You have to build your foundation, right? speaker-0: But I think you need to know where you're going. And I don't feel like me personally, I know where I'm going yet. Like I'm doing all this work and I pfft I don't have an end goal. I don't have like an actual goal. I'm just like, you know, I want to be a better self. What do have to do? I have to get in better shape. Okay. I want to run an extra business. Okay. I want to have a better conversation. Let's start a podcast. There's no I have no actual result written down on like what I want from this podcast. My business that is going well, I have kind of a result where it's like I want to give some equity away and kind of just have, you know. income coming like revenue coming in from it to kind of pay my bills. But like where it's gonna be in ten years, I'm like, I don't have a big picture. It's like kinda like I want it to be able to run itself without me so I can enjoy some time, but I don't have like an actual vision on it. Like it it's I feel like I'm in such a weird phase where it's like there's so much so many doors have opened where I'm like, I'm just gonna keep going. And then along the way eventually I'll just trip into a door kind of thing. It's like it's a weird kind of phase right now. Like speaker-1: is like do you do you feel good now? Like do you feel better about yourself now? speaker-0: Better than I ever did. And I'm comfortable where I'm at. That's what I'm scared about. It's like I'm comfortable just continuously doing the work and things are just happening. Nothing that I've planned for, just things are just happening for me. Doors are just opening. So I'm like, well, if I'm doing this work and I'm feeling good about myself, I'm just gonna keep going and see what else happens. You know, screw it. Like just kind of go on that path. You individually are technically because we do have a lot of business owners on here, but you are technically your own business. Yeah. You're your own brand. speaker-1: My own brand, yeah. speaker-0: So can I get I'm gonna give you a hard position right now because this I find this would resonate with me and it kind of it'd make me put my back against the wall but I'm gonna kinda tread lightly here. So like I'm gonna use the word failure loosely. Because I think if Well, you've heard that quote of the man in the arena. Like, I think if you get in the arena, like there's no failure. Like you've got into the arena. You know what I mean? But there is losing. Kind of thing. Like there is losing. And I find with businesses you fail in abstract. Like you you fail after like people see you fail after you've already failed. So all they really see is the aftermath of the fail. So say my business fails and I'm working a nine to five job, people are like all they see is me working nine to five job because my business didn't work. Kind of thing. They didn't see the failure during the business aspect of it, right? You, you're being watched, you're being filmed, you're being like scored. Like people are scoring your performance. People are like public publicly displaying it in the actual failing moment. Like if you miss a kick or you slip and you Like don't slip a punch properly, don't cover up properly, and you lose a fight, like that's like that part of the fail is public. I find with business it's a little bit it's not easy, but no one sees you actually slipping and falling. Everyone just sees you tumbling. Yeah. It's kinda like and getting back up. You it's kinda like people see the whole thing. You running, tripping, falling, tumbling, trying to get back up. You know what I mean? It's like it's takes a lot more to put yourself out there, and that's what I was talking about earlier. Put yourself in that position to be vulnerable. Like that's a fucking vulnerable position to be in. And that's a vulnerable state to be open to even ex like entertaining. Like if someone comes to you and says, I'm gonna put you in a position where people are gonna see you possibly fail at your worst, lowest point, and I mean broadcast into the world. A lot of people are like Nah. Like I have people don't want to come on the podcast. It's like my pronunciation isn't perfectly, right? But you're willing to step in the ring with someone that could possibly beat you and say, fuck it, film me, score me, I'm gonna do my best. Like that puts you on a different level than other people. That completely puts you on a different shelf. You mean they might even put you in a different room. You know what I mean? And I think that takes a lot out like of someone and shows a lot of integrity and really a strong personality and a sense of self-confidence, right? Like speaker-1: Yeah, l listen, I I my last fight my last fight was a loss. That that was that was my biggest fight up until that point. speaker-0: can we say a funny story about that? Can you mention that funny story? Well where someone was upset and he kicked the cage not realizing T-bone was on the other side of the camera and that one I didn't realize he didn't. Yeah, and he was on the other side of the cage and the cage you know bends a little bit so he's pressed right up against it. That's it, lose some teeth. So the funny story. And I I messaged T-Bone like two days later. I'm like, bro, where the F are you? Where's my video? He's like, here's a video. I got punched in the or I kicked in the mouth. I'm like, what? Like, so he learned something, not put the camera over beside the cage. He learned to look for a camera. Like, you know what I mean? But back to it, like that just shows you. Like, he didn't even see someone standing there with a camera behind a cage because he's in a mindset where it's like, you literally just became the most vulnerable person in a room. Thousands of people, like that's hard to do. Like yeah, kudos to you. Like I'd say out of a hundred people, maybe point one would do that. Like that's a one percent of the one percent. Yeah, yeah. speaker-1: I again I apologize to to to the cameraman for for doing that. I still feel bad about that to this day. speaker-0: he's fine. speaker-1: yeah, what I was saying was I I just lost my last fight, right? We were planning this podcast after my next after after after the first fight where I I submitted the guy in fifty seconds. I was like, okay, let me get one more fight, let me get a big win and then come on this podcast. I lost, everyone saw it, everyone saw everyone saw the kick. And speaker-0: I saw it up close. I saw it from the camera's point of view. speaker-1: And I was like I of course I you you fall into that post loss depression. But I was like, am I gonna sit here and just cancel the podcast and not go on 'cause I lost or no fuck that. I would I'm gonna You would have fought me? I would've speaker-0: Fight you bro, that's it. Me and him throw hands. Throw hands, that's it. No speaker-1: I like, no, let me let me come on the podcast. Let me let me 'cause fighting fighting they all see you fail in the moment. They don't see you failing afterwards, but I always like speaker-0: It's almost opposite. It's opposite. Like my business fails today, like you only see tomorrow when I'm trying to rebuild. Like they don't see speaker-1: Exactly, exactly right now. speaker-0: you trying to rebuild, but they see you in the moment. speaker-1: And a quote I like, adversity is a privilege. Adversity is a privilege, right? speaker-0: I just keep taking the notes. Delete that one too. Delete that one too. Delete that one too. speaker-1: Yeah, ad adversity is a privilege. You you have to you have to face it head on and conquer it and that's what I'm doing now. I could I could have sat home, I could have done nothing and stayed sad or whatever about losing, but I'm I'm moving on from it. I'm rebuilding. I'm in the rebuild right now. speaker-0: So where do you draw the line between giving a shit bo giving a shit about what people think and not giving a shit about what people think? Like, have you drawn that line yet or are you still at that phase where like I've I've drawn the line where I'm like, it's way back. I don't give a fuck anymore. Like I really don't speaker-1: How old are you if you don't mind me asking? speaker-0: forty. speaker-1: for see when people hit forty they don't they don't give a shit about when any speaker-0: Yeah, you know what I mean? Like but you're young, you're new, you're up and coming and do you feel like you're still in the phase where it's kinda like something in the like the psych yourself up, like kinda I can go in there and get knocked out but I gotta mentally prepare for that. Like is it still in your mind where it's like holy shit people are watching me? Like I could Does that ever go away though? speaker-1: No, no, I still I still but I I use that I feed off of it. I I kind of tell myself everyone's watching me but they're watching me do what I'm what I'm best at. So I'm gonna put on a show for all these guys watching me right now. speaker-0: And I think it's such a personalized sport because like, let's say soccer, right? Give a bad pass, no one's gonna think twice about it. No. I see, I used to be a goalie, and I used to play provincial and stuff, and it was one of those like, I had the mentality, I'm like, you're like I learned a bad goal, I'm like, bro, they had to get through fucking ten of you before they got to see. What are you mad at me for? How do you guys fail first? Like Yeah, but the thing is, like, the goalies mistake was a highlight, right? so in soccer, it's kind of like buried in there a little bit more. But what you're doing, it's like It's a highlight real. It is, right? Like it is. You land a good punch, it's highlighted, but you eat a good punch, it's highlighted. Like, what I mean? So so where do you draw the line? Do do you feel like you've driven drawn that line or? speaker-1: not yet. No yet. I still kind of I still I feel like I have to care about what people think, right? I I can well speaker-0: Here's a good one. So right now you give a shit about what people think, right? Timeless. Do you think that ever transitions to say you go pro making seven figures, come back on my podcast, remember me. Hundred percent. Stuff like that. 100%. Do you think it changes from giving a shit to what people think to giving a shit because you're doing it for somebody at that point? Like say you do have a family at that point. It's like, okay, now I don't give a shit what people think, but now I'm doing it for my family. Like do you see how it correlates? It almost switches to like speaker-1: Switches yeah. speaker-0: I'm doing it for everyone else now or everyone else is watching me to do it, now I'm doing it for everyone else. Kind of the flip mode where it's like now I'm doing it for someone else rather than worrying about what people think about me. But like speaker-1: Just just myself. speaker-0: Yeah. I think at a certain point you gotta transition to that. Like where you just get in your own head where it's kinda like it's me and only me, tunnel vision, and I'm doing it for everyone else. I'm a believer in sync the ship and learn to swim. And you were talking about getting accepted to U of T. Stuff like that, like are you going full tail with the fighting, or you're gonna pursue both or speaker-1: Right now I'm focusing on fighting. I I took a little I I did go to UFT for for crim for criminology, law and society, but I'm gonna take a little break from it and focus purely on fighting. 'Cause my my my thing is school y you you hear stories about like eighty seventy year olds, eighty year olds going back to school, right? You can do you of course get educated, get educated, but you can pursue the the the degree at any time. Yeah. Right now I can only do fighting right now. Like th this is this is yeah, exactly. Yeah. Me my I haven't even hit my prime yet. Yeah. I I can only do this right now. So let me focus on this right now and afterwards I'll focus back on on school. I I'll I'll still get the degree. speaker-0: Yeah. So do you have a plan? Like say God forbid you get hurt tomorrow. Just go back to school? speaker-1: Go back to school or work with my parents' business as well. British swim school. Okay. Yeah. I can work with them but that doesn't see that that failure that specific failure doesn't really register in my mind. My my my vision of myself in the next few years is making it big in fighting. Yeah. speaker-0: How supportive is your circle right now? Like close circle and then secondary let's say close circle and secondary circle. So like you're your family close by. Like a lot of parents if they turn around and say, I'm gonna fight for a full time, it's like I don't know. Like you know maybe but then you have friends that could turn around and say, Yeah, bro, you can do it and other friends where it's like, bro, like really you think you become professional fighter? Yeah. Because they're small minded, right? Kind of thing. Like how are your support groups between pr like small like close circle and large circle right now? speaker-1: The speaker-0: That's not on my sheet, so that's I just threw that out there just kinda just to throw it. speaker-1: That's why wasn't prepared yet. my family they I don't I I don't really like talking to them about it because like they n they obviously know I I I fight and I I do this, but I don't like talking to them about it because I don't like telling them something without w without backing it up with with with results. Like they know I'm good at fighting, they know I've won a a a a couple titles and stuff speaker-0: See you fight. speaker-1: N no. I haven't inv I don't want to invite them. No. No, not yet. Not yet. I invite like my brother and my cousin and other like close friends and stuff, but not then. speaker-0: And the punching bag T bone. Kicking Bag, kicking bags. Kicking bag, sorry. speaker-1: Adrenaline, crazy drug. Yeah. Crazy. Well yeah, I I I wanna have results to show first before before I bring them in. 'Cause still still not speaker-0: fifteen and three. More we're still no, still not happy with that, Holy shit. So at what point like what point are you gonna be comfortable inviting close family and friends? speaker-1: Mm not really sure. speaker-0: What what's the what's the threshold do you think? speaker-1: See that one I can't answer. I'm not I I'll I'll just I'll know it when when I'm there. But right now I'm not there. I know I'm not there. speaker-0: I like that being locked in, knowing that moment. It's kinda like a cliche question, but like do you fight because you love it or because you're good at it? speaker-1: I fell in love with it. I fell in love with certain aspects of it. speaker-0: Like the actual game day fight or is it the whole process training fight? speaker-1: training like I like training. I like like training with friends and stuff and having fun in in the gym. I st I still don't love like I'm competitive. I'm very competitive and I love winning the fight, but I don't like going into the fight. You know what I mean? Like it's speaker-0: Yeah, I get that. speaker-1: The like the the nerves you have to do, the weight cut, the the you're going in, you have to hurt this you have to go in to try and kill this person or go in to try and hurt this person. I don't like that part of it. Yeah. But I love the competitive aspect of it and I l speaker-0: I'm a fighter, but I don't like hurting people. Like message of the day, like service speaker-1: That makes me speaker-0: announcement, like I don't like hurting people. speaker-1: That's the thing, I don't even I don't even like confrontation. I hate confrontation but I I know I can handle myself. So it's just speaker-0: Okay confrontation trying to steal my notes. Real clo you're real okay doing that. Wait, I wanna touch so like you like shit, that's interesting because I've been doing a lot of like digging into this and like the whole process of things and trying to be like more present in the in the moment. So I'm trying to do stuff like even when we're in here, right? I'm trying to do stuff like watching you play with your pod. No, I'm good with it. I'm good with it. No, but like I'm looking at what your shirt says. I'm paying attention to like where the cameras are set up or what color extension cord. Yeah. Because I find those nominal descriptions of my brain allow me to be in the moment at the time. That's actually how you trigger your brain being present. Like a lot of people are like, be present. It's like, well how do you physically measure that? Like how do you trigger your brain to be in the moment in the process? And I love how you said like I don't like the be like preparing for the fight. I don't like, you know, the nerves of it or the weight cut or anything. But I like the process and journey of like fight camp and everything. Like when you're fighting like or you're training Say you're Spartan, are you thinking about like right now it's like okay, I'm training this way because I know in six months a guy I'm fighting is gonna do this, this, and this, and these are his weaknesses. Or are you, when you're training, saying, Okay, I'm training right now and that's all I'm worried about is like working on me, my punches. Like how in the process are you? Like in the or how in the moment are you versus in the process? Does that make sense? Like how granular are you when you're training? It's like I'm skipping right now, it's like I'm skipping so I have the best cardio for six months from now or I'm skipping right now because that's what I need to do because of the big picture, like that's my only goal right now is to skip. speaker-1: I'm skipping right now because that's the process. That I need to do this. I have to do this to to improve myself. Yeah. Not not just like I still think about what the other opponent's doing but that but I'm doing it I'm doing it just to help me, just to just to help my my cardio in the moment. speaker-0: And I think that makes you walk into the ring cage, whatever you're you're fighting that week, because you do twelve of them. mate walks in to be a better fighter because or competitor, because you are the best competitor yourself can be. You haven't trained to fight like I guess you haven't trained your fighting ability To fight against his weaknesses, you've trained to be the best fighter you can be. And I find the best ones are like that. Yeah. You know what mean? Like you look at Muhammad Ali, his speed. Like he all he worked on was his speed. He didn't care how hard the other guy punched. It's like, I know my strength is a speed, so I worked on my speed. Exactly. You know what I Like Tyson was a heavy hitter. He's like, I'm gonna train on hitting as hard as I can versus being faster for the other guy. Like working on being faster for the other guy because the other guy's slow. It's like, no, my thing is hitting hard. Like so I I do give you kudos to that. If you got to sit down, say after a press conference and someone asked you one question, what would you want to be asked? Cameras on you, lights on you, everything, and someone came to you and and you got asked a question, you're like, fuck, that's a good question. Like what would it be? speaker-1: How did you get here? How did you get here? Cause I want I want people to I I don't want to peop I don't want people to just look at the finished product. I want people to look at the journey, the journey and how how you built yourself up, how you how you climbed up climbed up, how you how you lost, how you how you rebuilt yourself. I want people to know that the story, the journey. Exactly, not just the finished product. speaker-0: Well you've already said it, because someone got insider information, which I'm gonna file a complaint with my media team about. What would you name this episode? speaker-1: Adversity is a privilege. speaker-0: I knew it. See? Somebody ruined the question to me. okay, so you know the routine, camera for both of us, talk right to that camera, you get some promo open floor kind of time, give your plugs, what you want, what your goals are, where to check you out, how to follow you, all the fun stuff. That camera right there. Yeah, the one Sean's not paying attention to in case it dies. I knew we were going to school. speaker-1: Phone doom scrolling. speaker-0: No, I wasn't. I was answering emails for that. I I knew that really. Yeah, because you looked over my screen again. Always looking over my side. We have dividers here next episode. The divider right down the middle. No one's peeking at my shit. Anyway, camera's all yours, man. speaker-1: Jordan Mitchell fighting out of Brampton fighting out of Lions Cage MMA. If you guys want to learn out of box, kickbox, get your cardio up, get your get your friend group up as well. Get speaker-0: Or just get punched in the face. speaker-1: punched in the face by me personally. Kicked in the face, sorry. speaker-0: That's a sort of kid. speaker-1: message Lions Cage MMA on Instagram and or call or call them and come down for a free trial. my Instagram is jm.mma underscore if you want to look at some of my highlights and some of my achievements. and what I'd say to the next up-and-comer or a young man, young young person in general, The name of the title of this of this podcast, Adversity is a privilege. Keep pushing through. And pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. If it was easy, everyone would do it. speaker-0: Love it. Forget the noise podcast. He's nailed it. It's great having another fighter on. Honestly, the mindset and anything combat, anything individualized that puts you out there and becomes vulnerable like makes you vulnerable. I give them kudos. Like I'm slowly getting out of the age where I think I can do that. So man, like best of luck to you. I hope the speaker-1: Yeah, keep it. speaker-0: best for you. I know you're gonna succeed big things, especially considering your age and what you've already accomplished. People would die for that resume, man. And you're like, this is like the prelude. So I I love that. Stay tuned for more Forget the Noise podcasts. Next week we have T-Bone on. So the man behind the lens, he's gonna be sitting right beside me. And then right after that, we got some like heavy hitter guests. We're actually traveling across the country to shoot some podcasts. And stay tuned, I guess that's it. Next week on the episode with Forget the Noise, signing off, AJ Cappuccini, and we'll see you again.