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Ep. 32 Moscow GUM and the Bourgeoisie Bathroom · Privycast

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  Who just knows this information?
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  This is what I'm doing.
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  I'm over here like on the Google Rabbit Trail and I'm finding out that some people just have the rabbit trail in their head and it's baffling to me.
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  Privy is a podcast about bathrooms and toilets recorded here at this point right now, presently from my home bathroom.
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  I'm your host, Hunter Hoover.
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  I love bathrooms, I love toilets.
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  Yeah, and they're a fun thing, you know.
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  I think it's what we're gonna find today.
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  Today is going to be a very history forward episode of privy and so as we get into it one of the things that we often find with the history forward episodes is that we have a lot
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  to be thankful for
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  in the area of our bathroom situation and the things that we get to use bathroom-wise.
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  yeah, just welcome to the show.
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  I'm so glad you're here.
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  Thank you for joining us.
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  A few bathroom things this week.
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  Not a lot of crazy stuff bathroom-wise out here in the Willamette Valley in Oregon.
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  There's some murmurings of ah
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  turning back on all the mass things.
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  so it makes the whole like public bathroom thing a little bit different.
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  I talking to some folks, you know, there's definite anxiety about using public restrooms again with ah everybody's favorite Delta buddy running around.
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  So whatever, we're not doing that this week.
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  And you know, I'm going to be honest with you.
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  Sometimes when we approach, when I approach bathrooms and I start
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  I have a list of like, these are things that we're going to talk about on the show that are topics that have been in my head.
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  And I put them into a list.
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  And sometimes you begin research for one of those and you get into the Google rabbit trail and you fall down the hole and you just kind of get going.
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  And this week, that's kind of what happened.
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  uh
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  this week's topic, comes from one of those like chasing the rabbit down all these Google searches.
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  And then the internet just gives you fun new information that you never learned.
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  So in this case, I followed the rabbit hole where probably so few people have followed it, maybe more, I don't know, but it took me to Moscow.
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  Yes, and not Moscow, Ida.
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  This week on privy, we're talking about and I'm for sure going to pronounce this wrong.
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  if I have any Russian folks who would love to send me maybe an audio recording of some sort to help me understand how to pronounce this word, I'm going to pronounce it exactly
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  how it's written and possibly adjust for the
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  pronunciations that I tried to find but it is an acronym so it makes that a little difficult.
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  But we're talking about gum or goom, gum, goom.
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  And we're gonna take a trip to Moscow, Russia together.
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  Mother Russia.
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  A brief bit of history here.
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  Because of course, what would a good chat with Hunter sitting on the toilet, little bit freshly stanked, be without a, at least a brief
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  history lesson about things that I actually don't know that much about.
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  Yeah.
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  So in 1762, America's not even actually a country yet, there was a coup d'etat, which for, it's a coup, also a phenomenal board game coup, but there was a coup d'etat against the
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  Russian emperor Peter III.
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  And if you hear that and think Peter doesn't sound very Russian,
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  That's because Peter was born in Germany and had strong pro-pression leanings, which made him...
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  unpopular, for lack of a better way of saying it, amongst nationalist Russia and nationalist Russian folks.
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  And so, as a result, this coup was set up and completed by none other than Peter's wife, who, coincidentally, and as my wife informed me, quote, they did that back then, his
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  second cousin, Catherine the second.
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  So, Catherine married her second cousin,
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  Catherine II married her second cousin Peter III, but apparently didn't care for him as much as maybe it would seem because Catherine or Catherine the Great was instilled as the
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  empress regent, regnant, regnant, whatever, of all Russia on September 1762 after the completion of the coup against her cousin husband.
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  Peter the second, third, Peter three, Peter 3.0, Catherine 2.0.
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  would remain, would remain in her position as Empress Regnant, I don't know, I'm not gonna quit saying that.
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  We're gonna quit saying it.
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  If you don't know it, quit saying it.
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  But she would remain in that position for 34 years, which is.
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  Back then, when there's a lot of overthrowing and infighting and all this stuff, 34 years of rule is actually, that's a pretty good run.
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  And she was not overthrown or deposed or anything like that.
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  She passed away.
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  And so Catherine the Great of all Russia, that's where she was empress of, left behind this legacy.
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  where she began to establish and build up and make better many of the cities and infrastructure in Russia.
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  She continued to modernize Russia and especially Russia on the Western Front where it meets that like the Western border of Russia meets Eastern Europe.
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  uh She...
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  focused a lot on modernizing that.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about why and appearances here in just a moment.
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  Her rule is considered part of the golden age of Russia.
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  She embraced the ideals of the enlightenment and continued to expand Russian thought and art.
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  Catherine the Great, Catherine 2, Catherine the Great of Russia gets a thumbs up on building up Russia.
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  Good job Catherine.
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  But...
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  She passed away, like I said, and 16 years after her death, Catherine had built up the city of Moscow as one of the cities in Russia.
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  That was what she did, I remember.
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  And she had put in a lot of infrastructure and built a lot of buildings.
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  And one of the buildings that she had commissioned was the building of a huge trade center.
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  on the east side of the Red Square in Moscow.
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  She commissioned a Italian man named Giacomo Quarenghi.
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  Now, I think I did pretty good on that, but time will prove me wrong.
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  Giacomo was a neoclassical architect.
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  Neoclassical, neo means new, classical means classical, whatever, new classical.
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  But he was commissioned and he designed this trade center to be built along the river in Moscow.
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  So they build this huge trade center and Catherine the Great passes away, thus ending her time as Empress of Russia.
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  And 16 years after the death of Catherine,
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  The 1812 fire of Moscow burned down pretty much the whole city.
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  Now, when I look this up, what I'll say is the 1812 fire of Moscow seems like a pretty popular and pretty prominent historical event.
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  We're gonna talk about in just a second.
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  And when I brought it up to my wife, my wife was a history major and
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  She's like, oh yeah, everybody knows about Catherine the Great and the 1812 fire of Moscow.
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  Like, yeah, whatever.
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  And she's telling me like, facts about it.
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  And I was like, who just knows this information?
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  This is what I'm doing.
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  I'm over here like, on the Google rabbit trail, and I'm finding out that some people just have the rabbit trail in their head, and it's baffling to me.
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  Like, I know plenty of pointless facts about Pokemon, but yeah.
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  It's just different and it's just wild.
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  Yeah, it's baffling that she's like, yeah, this is it.
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  The 1812 uh fire of Moscow was viewed as a key turning point in the campaign between the French army, led by Napoleon, and the Russian army in Napoleon's long campaign.
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  to move further into and take more control over Russian territory.
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  ah And so, on the word that Napoleon was going to move into Moscow and thus begin a siege and a claim on the city, residents of Moscow, abandoned ship, they got out of town and
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  they took off, and Russian military and citizens and other,
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  other ne'er-do-wells, I'm not saying that those people are ne'er-do-wells, there were other folks that joined in that helped this get out of hand.
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  But they began to light their own city on fire to stop Napoleon in his tracks.
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  ah And so they light these fires and the first day of fires did very little to stop the wee-wee Frenchman, Napoleon, ah but as the wind turned and
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  fire continued to spread and hop, it eventually moved its way to a position that was actually threatening to Napoleon's campaign and possibly even his life.
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  And that idea of fires as I'm going through this is it's pretty real.
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  It's fire season out here in the Willamette Valley and a lot of the United States.
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  And so just another
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  uh Shout out and thank you to those who are who are fighting fires out here volunteer or otherwise.
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  Thank you.
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  Stay safe Yeah, it's just a good reminder but as these fires began to burn and consume more and more portions of the city orders were given by Napoleon's men to shoot arsonists
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  in folks lighting fires on site and after
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  a week of things being on fire just burning.
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  A truce was raised between Napoleon and the Tsar, the Russian leader Kudasov, probably, meh, I probably got that one.
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  uh He had already escaped, he had already gotten out of town, um and by the end of the 1812 fire of Moscow, three quarters of the city or more had been burned completely.
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  And with it, and in the midst of that rubble was the Trade Center.
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  that Catherine the Great had commissioned years before.
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  What was burned, however, must, of course, be rebuilt.
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  Joseph Bove, ah an Italian Russian architect.
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  I find it personally interesting how Russia is getting many Italian dudes to come up and do a lot of this architectural planning and stuff.
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  I don't know.
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  I find that very interesting.
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  ah Joseph or Joseph Bove, an Italian Russian architect,
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  is also from that neoclassical movement so cool.
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  He was tasked with rebuilding Moscow after Moscow burned down Moscow.
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  I know.
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  It's a lot.
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  And as they rebuilt and updated the city, trading rows, which I think are just buildings where commerce and trade happen, but trading rows were put in on the spot of the original
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  Catherine the Great Trade Center.
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  The center, these trading rows, would grow in size and businesses would come and go from the center over the course of time.
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  You know, that's how these things worked.
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  Fast forward almost 100 years, the Russian revolution strolls onto the scene in 1917.
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  ah
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  We build the thing and it burns down and we rebuild the thing and then we give it a new coat of paint and we remodel it 100 times more.
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  Like is it still this original store or is it not but it still carries the heart of what this store is.
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  And I think that's what's going on.
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  But by 1917 when the Russian Revolution gets on the scene it contained about 1200 different stores.
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  The place was huge.
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  Also
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  it's a mall.
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  Like that's what it is.
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  And we're going to see that in just a bit.
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  But after the revolution, during the new economic policy, the NEP of the Soviet Union, the NEP was this policy that emerged from the revolution and under the direction of old Vlad
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  Lenin, Vladimir Lenin, they nationalized and it is now called the GUM.
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  Now, I cannot pronounce any of the Russian words that those letters stand for.
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  But G-U-M, when it is translated, stands for what would in the English be the equivalent of main universal store.
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  So, under this NEP, this new economic policy that old Lenin put in place, much like other portions of the new economic policy,
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  It sought to instill or use free market capitalism, but put that underneath state control.
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  Now, if I may be so bold, saying free market and then saying that the free market is under the control of the state seems kind of like not a free market.
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  That's just my thoughts.
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  But this gum or goom or GUM facility
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  was one of these state sanctioned, state operated, capitalist posing, common, capitalist posing facilities.
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  The building itself was nationalized.
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  It was what they called a model retail store owned by the Soviet Union.
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  It would be like if the government here in the United States tomorrow said, we now own Walmart and
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  When you shop at Walmart, you're shopping from the federal government's store, Walmart.
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  The goal in these places that had these markets and under the NEP, the goal was to spread the word about communism by using consumerism.
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  Here's the problem.
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  It didn't work.
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  The gum was later used as a large department store until 1928.
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  So it served as this national like state facility about 10 years.
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  And then Joseph Stalin converted it into an office space where the committee to discuss his five year plan would meet.
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  For those who forgot or are like me never knew.
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  Stalin's five-year plan was a plan for the USSR to centralize the economy.
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  These type plans were and maybe still are typical of many communist nations for gaining essential control over the market.
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  So, Stalin needing a place to hold his briefings, which probably could have been an email.
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  I know they didn't have email back then, but like, you know, Stalin's the type of guy that's throwing a meeting that could have been a letter.
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  You know he is.
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  bye.
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  oh
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  He began using this large state shopping center for his meeting places to talk about communism.
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  that's, man, that is symbolic and metaphorical that Stalin used this shopping center where they tried to have consumerism and capitalism be used to highlight the principles of
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  communism.
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  and then he uses that meeting place to discuss his plan for furthering notions of communism in Russia.
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  I'm neither an economist or a person who should really have a lot to say about metaphor or irony, but I do think that's funny.
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  The shop would, the shop now turned office space, would remain closed, that's a big office space by the way, would remain closed much after World War II.
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  and it likely didn't reopen until 1953.
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  Interestingly, the GUM was one of those stores in the Soviet Union that at this time when stores were starting to reopen and do that stuff, it could keep supplies in stock.
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  And because of this, lines would form like woofy and people would flock to this shopping center because they knew
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  that they could get what they needed there.
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  Even though the lines were long, they knew that the stores here had the stuff.
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  The shopping center would often in the 60s and 70s be almost converted into like this big center to showcase the benefits of a centralized and communist economy and state.
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  But people would get sniff of this and they'd shut it down and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Um, no, no.
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  So when the Soviet Union drew to a close, the GUM was privatized and has had a number of owners since being privatized.
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  And it is, it is now today in the year of our Lord, 2021, a private shopping mall still called the gum.
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  and it operates today.
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  I'll try to put some, pictures on social for y'all to see this mall.
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  But you might hear all this and you might be thinking, okay, thanks for the history lesson, Hunter.
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  But number one, why are you sitting in your bathroom giving this history lesson?
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  This is privy.
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  We talk about poop jokes and how many times a day we go to the bathroom.
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  So here's the deal.
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  If you, like I did, get on the Google Rabbit trail,
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  For the Moscow Gum, one of the defining features and I would say me personally, Hunter, would say one of the crown jewels of this facility and is one of the most intricate luxury
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  toilets that has returned from the depths of history, nestled in a shopping mall in a department store built in 1800s Russia.
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  burned to the ground, rebuilt, here we are.
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  What a bathroom.
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  Under the rebuild and in the imperial era of Russia, the gum was completed.
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  And one of the additions that was made in the span of time between 1820 and 1890 was the addition of a very, very fancy bathroom.
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  Now,
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  to describe this bathroom.
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  Again, check out some social stuff for what this bathroom looks like.
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  The bathroom was constructed using marble and granite.
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  So you're already rolling in big money, no whammies.
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  And inside the space, the entrance is labeled a gentleman's room, inside of it is a leather couch, coat closets, other amenities for storing your things.
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  When you enter, there is this like perfume and cologne thing, like shelf for sale and
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  If you've ever been to one of those bathrooms, I don't know if this is outside the states, but here in the states, every now and then you'll enter a bathroom that has this like
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  weird, like, metallic cage where you can enter a few quarters and you can get like, I mean, it's usually products for nefarious deeds.
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  you can like get like maybe sometimes a little packet of soap or something out of these or maybe something like that.
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  We'll give them the benefit of doubt.
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  But this is different than that.
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  This is not like a little vending machine.
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  This is like a case.
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  It's enclosed behind glass and often an attendant helps you in purchasing those items out of the gum bathroom.
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  The other counters, they're this beautiful, almost red colored marble accented with gold and silver instruments.
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  But here's the thing.
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  Use of this toilet space and the very high end amenities are of course much like 50 % of all goodies in video games or more nowadays behind a paywall.
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  It costs you the equivalent of about two United States dollars to enter the bathroom though, um but they're taking like the standard rubles there.
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  I don't know if they would take your American money.
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  converted over.
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  The gum has a general bathroom, which is of course free to use, but it is not the famous fancy bourgeoisie bathroom like bougie B.
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  You know what saying?
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  During the Soviet Union, in fact, the fancy bathroom was turned into a warehouse because they saw it and all its intricate stuff and people coming and going from this place and
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  they thought it was too bourgeoisie.
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  And they're kind of right, like because they will sell you in this bathroom luxury toilet paper if you visit today.
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  Luxury toilet paper.
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  And it makes me wonder, what is Russian luxury toilet paper?
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  Like, is it still paper?
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  Or have we upgraded to fabric?
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  You know what I'm saying?
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  Like, and it's still probably flushable, so do they have some sort of booty wiping technology?
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  Maybe we need to be in the toilet paper race.
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  with them, not space, but.
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  The luxury bathroom constructed in the mid 1800s in Moscow, Russia was likely left unused for more than 50 years in the time of the Soviet Union in the USSR.
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  And it wasn't until the gum was privatized and the restroom was later renovated and tried to be restored to its imperial era Russian
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  vibes if you will that folks were allowed to use the bourgeoisie bathroom for really the price of a cheeseburger a cheap cheeseburger, but a cheeseburger nonetheless Another fun
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  thing about the gum and the reason that a lot of folks go there besides shopping is it is one of the only Russian style buildings left standing in modernity in Moscow Russia So if
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  you're ever in Russia if you're ever in Moscow
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  And you ever make your way over to the gum shopping center?
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  You got to use the gum bourgeoisie bathroom.
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  You got to do it.
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  Like you have to feel.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know the word.
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  But but pooping in a toilet that is known for just like when you Google it is that fancy.
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  You're essentially taking a dump in what is a museum to the struggle between capitalism and communism in Russia.
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  Remember, they were building on this Western front.
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  and they're like putting up all this stuff to be like, hey Eastern Europe, check this out.
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  Look at what we got over here.
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  It's something like, it's something in my opinion worth voiding yourself over.
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  You know what saying?
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  And when I see the couch in the picture of this thing, it reminds me of the time like I went into the ladies bathroom at church.
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  Now, I shouldn't have paused here, but I did.
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  I used to clean.
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  I used to do some janitorial, I mean I still do janitorial.
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  But I've been doing janitorial duties most of my life.
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  And when I used to do janitorial duties for a church, I went into this church, but I went into this church bathroom.
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  And you know, I had been in obviously men's bathrooms in many places.
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  And you know what is never in a men's bathroom?
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  And I think rightfully so, because people are going to do something stupid on there, and the guys are going to be dumb if it's accessible to them all the time.
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  You know what's not in men's bathroom is a couch.
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  And they had a couch in the women's bathroom.
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  And I was like, for real?
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  You know, it was truly, you know, when you watch like the office, yeah, there's something that happens in the back of your brain when you know that the porcelain is cleaner or the
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  couch is comfier on the other side that makes you want to get on that couch.
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  And it's like the only comparison, and this is why like I love the office so much, is when you're watching the office, there's these times when
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  Something is just exactly pulled out of your brain and it's like they perfectly captured what I felt and when the guys of the office discover the ladies bathroom and they take
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  over the women's bathroom kicking it on the couches reading the magazines that that is exactly how I felt I was like why am I not just Using this.
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  I mean, I know why cuz like I'm gonna go over well, but like yeah, it's crazy times
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  I hope you all enjoyed learning about the shopping center and the bougie bee there.
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