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Shadow Figures: The Strangest Paranormal Phenomenon? · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Shadow figures are undoubtedly some of the strangest
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reported phenomena in the paranormal. Now, we
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don't have the answers, but we can theorize.
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Are they glitches in the matrix? Time slips?
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Are they actual entities, or just the shadows
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of the entities? And have we ever seen a shadow
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figure? Spoiler alert, yes. This is a special
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episode of Paranormal Lens. It actually originally
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aired... Gosh, well over a year and a half ago,
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back when we did a mini trial run, proof of concept,
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if you will, of the podcast. I would normally
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re -release something like this as a Monday bonus,
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but we already have a bunch of those lined up
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for October and it's birthday season. Today is
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Angela's birthday and last week was Brianna's
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birthday. So we've been very busy celebrating
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and not really recording. podcast episodes so
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it's just missing a good time to re -release
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this one as a main podcast episode to give us
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a little break so to speak before we dive headfirst
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into spooky season while still releasing something
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this week on thursday for the main podcast now
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I know not a lot of people usually watch the
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YouTube version of this podcast, but apologies
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to those few. This is an audio only recording
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and apologies to the audio listeners. This is
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an older recording before we had our fancy podcasting
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mics. So the quality is not as high as our regular
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recordings, but it's an iconic episode and recording
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and spawned many bits and inside jokes, including
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Uncle Bunkable. So without further ado. Welcome
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to our podcast where we take deep dives looking
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at various topics through a paranormal lens.
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Today's question is about shadow figures. Are
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they paranormal or are they not? And have you
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guys ever seen them? So, have you guys seen them?
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Just cold open, just like no breathing room here
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at all. Angela means business tonight. She means
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business. Today's question, and then it's just,
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like, one question after another. Okay, to be
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fair, though, I did wake up from a nap right
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before we started this, and, like, I don't think
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my mind is fully aware, so I'm just like, bam,
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bam, bam, bam, bam. Do the shadow figures now.
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Shadow figures, pop out wherever you are. That's
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scandalous. One scandal after another, that's
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how we roll. That's how we get the clicks, you
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know? Scandal, scandal, scandal. You won't believe
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what Brie did this week. What did I do this week?
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Oh yeah, what did she do? Scandal, scandal, scandal.
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I did no scandals. So let's get back to the topic
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at hand. We're talking about scandal figures,
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I mean shadow figures. oh gosh this is the black
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lodge version the shadow version of the the podcast
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this is something so why did this topic resonate
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with you angela um you kind of spurred the moment
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this morning where it was like shadow figures
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let's talk about it i don't know i don't know
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you know i was at work and i was just chilling
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thinking about what the topic should be and then
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i was like shadow figures shadow figures Have
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you seen one? Do you think about them often?
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No, not really. I mean, I've seen one, which
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was at Madison Seminary, which we are going to
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go back to within a few weeks. But man, even
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then, I was like so fast and split of a moment.
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I'm like. maybe that wasn't was that just something
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i was seeing in my brain i feel like that's how
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what shadow figures are like most of the time
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so so true though but it was like yeah we were
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in the hallways and i saw i saw like someone
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peek around the corner and it was like dark down
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there and i just remember it was like very black
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um outline of a top half of a body like peeking
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around the corner type of thing i remember i
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saw this and it was like kind of cool looking
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but also like really spooky at the same time
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because the red exit sign that was on the hall
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down the hallway so it was just red light and
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then a black outline of a human peeking around
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the corner so it was all red and then just pure
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black human outline huh it was cool looking but
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it was like very split a second maybe this is
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semantics but like You just said it was solid
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and it disrupted a light that you're seeing emanating
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off the exit sign. So if it was a shadow, is
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it a shadow or is it an apparition? That's a
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good question. Where's the line between shadow
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figure and apparition? I guess that's a good
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question too. What is a shadow figure? Is it
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shadowy or is it pure black form? That's a hard
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question to answer because I feel like shadow
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figures and apparitions are very hard to distinguish
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apart from each other. But I feel like shadow
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figures, you only see like split of the second,
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like off the corner of your eye. no features
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black mass sometimes it's a mass sometimes it's
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not whereas apparitions i feel like can have
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more definition um like people describe oh i
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saw a woman in a white dress or uh i saw a man
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and he had facial features like yeah there is
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a distinct difference but when you get into solid
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mass shadow figure versus apparitions that's
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where the line starts to blur and it's just like
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I remember seeing it for the first second but
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I turned around because it did freak me out I
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should have just like stayed there and stood
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at it and looked at it and see what would have
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happened would have disappeared would have just
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stayed there and looked back at me you know you
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know and I feel like I feel like that's a common
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thing with the with shadow figures is like like
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I said you only ever see them either at the corner
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of your eye or in a split second And then by
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the time you look back at it and be like, oh,
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was that what I thought it was? They're gone.
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And I feel like that's the reoccurring thing
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with shadow figures. And kind of what I alluded
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to, the more I'm thinking about it, the more
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I'm realizing shadow figures are, they don't
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behave like shadows. No, no. My shadow is going
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to be against like a solid surface. It's not
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going to, your shadow, you don't cast shadows
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in the middle of a hallway, just floating, you
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know. blocking out lights. Yeah, they have to
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have a surface to be caught on. Have any of the
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shadow figures you've seen, Bree, been gliding
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against a wall with a clear light source, or
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are they free -floating and kind of behaving
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how a shadow shouldn't? All of the ones I've
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seen have been outdoors. To an extent, well,
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no. They've been free -floating and not reflected
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upon a surface. They are... just a figure that
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is a shadow but i couldn't necessarily see through
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it i mean this is all sounding very peter pan
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but it's real this is real yeah so a shadow figure
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is essentially what what we're calling a shadow
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figure something that's um free floating something
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that appears very fast and disappears very fast
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either in your peripheral or just a quick boom
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what's that shadow why is it not there anymore
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and it's typically free floating um semi -opaque
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but can still block out the light and it's just
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featureless kind of a humanoid black mass if
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you will yeah could a shadow figure be the shadow
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of the ghost or is the shadow figure the ghost
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who knows that's a great question you know sometimes
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though when i think about shadow figures is it
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kind of like a glitch in our time where we are
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encountering someone in a different time than
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us from the past or the future It's just a black
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outline because like we shouldn't be able to
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see things from the past or the future. You know
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what I'm talking about? Yeah, I mean, that kind
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of makes sense. I was kind of thinking, what
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about if it's me in the future? That was me in
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the future, like peering around the corner at
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Madison. I get to catch a glimpse of just in
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a split second, catch a glimpse of me. Yeah,
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because we will be going back there. soon so
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could it be a slip in the um matrix so to speak
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um yeah again the weird past present and future
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coexisting at the same timeline by the time what
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we're recording now airs we would have already
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returned to madison and potentially encountered
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your future self that you theorize might be the
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shadow figure this is getting to inception like
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my dudes you bookended my uh glitch in the matrix
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comment with a deep in the inception comment
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so those are two movies and peter pan so it's
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on today's recommendations um matrix inception
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peter pan this kind of i don't know what this
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also just reminded me when you when people see
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apparitions you know i was always like someone
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kind of like dressed in old time things like
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when people say oh i saw an apparition of a woman
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in white in a white dress or a victorian area
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have you ever heard of someone seeing an apparition
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of someone in futuristic or modern clothing you
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know what i'm talking about modern yes Like,
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I've heard of, like, apparitions wearing, like,
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blue jeans. Yeah, but blue jeans have been going
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back a while ago now. Or, like, someone's Uncle
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Jim died a month ago, and then they swear they
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just saw Uncle Jim. Okay, yeah. You know what
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I mean? But you did make me think of, perhaps,
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it's always a 1800s, you know, or Victorian woman
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in white apparition. Maybe the features need
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to, like, load. so to speak. So black is like
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the default. It's like when you're playing a
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video game and the skin is locked. You haven't
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unlocked the skin yet and it's just a shadow
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with a colored mark. It's like once it actually
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happens, that's when it loads all the way and
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that's when you can see the color and the outlines
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and the details and that's when it becomes an
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apparition. I don't know. oh my goodness well
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um there's also a road to go down about the parallels
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between like woman in white which is white and
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then shadow figure which is black like that perhaps
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that's going into white lodge black lodge sort
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of stuff about the opposites there if you if
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you want to go that route i always like in my
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brain um like the woman in white is like the
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opposite reflection of the uh the black hat man
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yes that's what exactly i was gonna say i was
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gonna say not shadow figures like i think they're
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they're separate but the woman in white is opposite
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of the the hat man what do you call a hat man
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as a shadow figure yes i wouldn't no no because
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he has he has features like he has a hat it's
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just like a hat there's no like details you know
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it's just but I feel like that is still enough
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like feature and identification to call it an
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apparition instead of a shadow figure. I feel
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like most of the time, like experiences with
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the hat man, I hear about like in sleep paralysis.
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And so people are in pictures when people are
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taking pictures, he pops up. Yeah. And he, so
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he isn't something that you see for a split second
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and he's gone. It's something that you see for
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a longer period and actually see, not out of
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the peripherals. So I think he falls outside
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of the shadow figure definition and more closer
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on the apparition definition. I could agree with
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that, yeah. He's a lone wanderer that lives in
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the shadow of the greater shadow figure phenomena.
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Bucky Wilde. So is that one shadow figure that
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you saw at Madison the only one that you've seen,
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Angela? That's the only one I've ever seen. You
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said you saw a couple though, Brie, yourself?
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I've seen two. My first one was at Paraschini.
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Not surprised. Yeah. And it was like a split
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of the second. Like, did I really just see that?
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I was on the opposite side of the cemetery. And
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I just saw like a shadow cross across the opposite
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side, like against the tree line. Like, was it
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a shadow figure? It was hard to say. Was it my
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brain playing a trick on me? Entirely possible.
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Like it was sunny. There were clouds. It's entirely
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possible it wasn't a shadow figure, but I know
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we had heard voices from that side of the cemetery.
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So like it kind of correlated that I saw a shadow
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figure over there. But the most impressive shadow
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figure I ever saw was at Rosevear Park. Oh, I
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forgot about this. Ben, did you see this one?
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What's your reaction? I forgot. We were there.
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It was in like dead middle winter. And we went
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there for. one specific reason to uh for ben
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to film a time lapse i was getting a time yeah
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a time lapse of the the sun setting on the park
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and we had we had messed around a little bit
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gotten cold we're just like okay we're gonna
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go warm up in the car and ben's like okay i'm
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gonna go set my camera up on this hill for the
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time lapse and we're like are you sure you should
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leave your phone over there or your camera over
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there like all by itself while warming in the
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car and he's like yeah yeah probably not so Notice
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what he said. You were excluding me from warming
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up in the car. I'm pretty sure I actually offered
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to also go with you. No, you didn't. And you're
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just like, oh, no, no, no. It's fine. It's good.
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You guys go warm up. Anyways, doesn't matter.
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It was a long time ago. We're getting there.
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Me and the other couple people who were with
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you were on this. No, you weren't with me. That's
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the whole point. Yes, I know. We're sitting in
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the car, warming up, singing some Christmas music,
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and I'm just staring out the window, like, in
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the direction where Ben is. I can't see him.
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He's over on the opposite side of the hill. And
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I'm watching the wind, like, sway the branches,
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and all of a sudden I see, like, this mass next
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to a tree, like, just skirt behind it. I'm like,
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huh, that was interesting. Like, but I'm pretty
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sure that was just a branch, like, moving because
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of the wind, and I kept watching it and watching
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it and watching it. It never moved back out from
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behind the tree. I'm like, oh my god, did I really
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just see what I think I saw? Wait, so how long
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of a period of time do you watch it? Only like
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for a few seconds? It literally happened just
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like that. Just snap of a moment, a black mass
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scooted from the right side of a tree to behind
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it. And that's all I saw. And I waited to see
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if a branch would sway back out because that's
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all I thought it was, was a tree branch swaying
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behind the tree and was going to come back out
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in a second. And it never did. And one of the
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other people in the car, I'm like, okay, I swear
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to God, I just saw something. And they're like,
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I thought I was going crazy because I thought
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I saw something move too. And I'm like, oh shit,
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Ben is over there by himself. So I hopped out
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of the car, and I'm like, Ben, are you okay?
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And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, okay. So I
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run over, and I tell him what happened, and he's
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like, yeah, I felt like I was being watched.
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But I went over to where I saw the shadow move,
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and that was, like, eight feet off the ground.
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Like, it wasn't, like, human level. It had to
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have been tall, whatever it was. Yeah. that's
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kind of creepy it was such a weird instance of
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like i i feel like that was the most um compelling
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experience i've had as an investigator because
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i actually saw something physical with my eyes
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and someone else saw it too this shadow had no
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explanation it was just wild huh it's interesting
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too to me that like again You're saying this
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was something physical. You thought it could
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have been a tree at first until it moved and
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never came back. Just like Angela thought it
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was humanoid and solid. Words that wouldn't necessarily
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be associated with a shadow, you'd think. What
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about you, Ben? What are some of your shadow
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figure experiences? I actually pulled up our
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master document of all of our... investigations
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back when we did like our web series like the
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first 200 something 300 investigations that we
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did we have like a list of them um once we stopped
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the web series we stopped keeping track unfortunately
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but um we should keep keeping track yeah we just
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do too much um it's all too random these days
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but yeah um i've been trying to think Where have
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I seen a shadow figure? Because I feel like I've
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seen one a couple times. The first thing that
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came to my mind, though, was I didn't see it,
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but I captured it. When we were at Evenstar's
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Chalice filming Timeless Spaces, the short film
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that we made a couple years ago, we filmed in
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a psychic shop that is currently inside what
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once was the old Ypsilanti Sanitarium. Unbeknownst
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to us, ironically, in the spot where they say
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a lady in white is seen and where um we investigated
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uh with michael welch from highland paranormal
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research society he and i both saw what looked
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like a white flowy dress like an app an apparition
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of like a white flowy dress we didn't catch it
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on camera but later in that same spot you capture
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what looks like a shadow completely free floating
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cross behind a shelf of merchandise like it's
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it's not something that's like at the top of
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my mind because i didn't see it it was only captured
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on on camera after so it's not like a memory
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of of mine so to speak but that jumped out because
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we're talking about the woman in white and the
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contrast with the woman in white being you know
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maybe the opposite of like the hat man or these
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type of entities um so it was interesting that
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both were seen one scene with the eye the other
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captured at a later point in the night um i don't
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know it's that's just interesting to me that's
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the only time capturing visual phenomena on camera
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is is rare and much of the shadow figures quote
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-unquote shadow figures that people catch on
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investigations can easily be debunked because
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people don't when you when you when you're filming
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in infrared light you're often not conscious
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because you can't see the light of how the night
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vision, the infrared that you have on your cameras
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interacting with the environment, with the other
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infrared lights that you have set up potentially
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around the room. There's a lot of infrared shadowing
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and, you know, them bouncing off each other that
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could create these shadows that you just wouldn't
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think would be there because you can't see it
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with your naked eye. And it's a little bit more
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difficult to debunk. Unless you know what you're
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looking for. I mean, that makes 100 % sense.
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When you're mixing all these light spectrums,
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like the visible light, infrared light, ultraviolet
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light, heck, there's probably all these other.
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Yeah, full spectrum. You're mixing all these.
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Oh, Bree just left the chat. We're recording
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over Zoom, ladies and gentlemen, and Bree did
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not like me for getting full spectrum. Should
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we have some transitional music? We should add
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some, like, elevator music in. I am back. Sounds
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good. We were just singing some elevator music
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while we were waiting. Okay. I won't ever forget
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Full Spectrum. Again. But yeah, that goes into
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what we were talking about with orbs. You have
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all these quote unquote invisible lights bouncing
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around the place, casting shadows and interacting
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with each other. And of course the cameras and
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their sensors. So if you're not familiar with,
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you know, what IR shadowing could look like and
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the effects it could have on the footage. then
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you just need to use it more. Learn how to have
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a keen eye for these things and train yourself
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to think critically and debunk as much as you
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can. 100 % agree. So that kind of goes into like
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what we think shadow figures are in terms of
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like most of the footage of them. The one we
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caught in the film, that was just in normal visible
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light spectrum. i had a dslr at the time so this
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was just i had no light sources we were just
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using the natural light in the um in in the shop
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so it was all the overhead fluorescence really
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ugly lighting but we were doing it in black and
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white so it didn't look too ugly but yeah anyways
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i digress um so we knew where all the lights
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were and they were stationary is my point and
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we had no external lights and uh it was at nighttime
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so we knew whatever lights were outside you know
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If a car went by, we would know that sort of
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thing. So easy to debunk and attempt to disprove,
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which we could not in this case. So that's what
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we think shadow figures could be in terms of
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most of the footage out there. Do you think it's
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just like a trick of the eye when you see one?
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Because there's always so quick and sometimes
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any peripheral. I feel like that could be the
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case. I feel like it can be the case a lot of
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the time. adrenaline being in a dark place lots
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of shadows lots of different lighting more than
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60 percent of the time a shadow figure is likely
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something that you um imagined like your brain
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concocted in your periphery because it will do
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that yeah you could just like interpret a shadow
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you saw for a split second like turning the corner
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or something or turning your body or whatever
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Yeah. And see it as like a human shape or something.
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Yeah. Because it's always so quick. Ghost hunters
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are going into dark places for the first time.
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They've never been to this hallway until right
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now when it's pitch black. And when they round
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the corner, their eyes may be trying to fill
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in that empty space or they might catch the coat
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rack just barely glistening in the moonlight
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and, you know. As they pass real quick, their
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brain is telling them it's a humanoid shape.
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Yeah, but I feel like there's still, like, shadow
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figures are definitely a thing. I mean, we each
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have had an experience with them with no way
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to actually debunk, like, that are undebunkable.
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Undebunkable, that's a fun word. Undebunkable.
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Uncobunkable? Uncobunkable. Undefunkable. So,
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in those circumstances, when a shadow figure
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is actually a shadow figure, what do we think
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it is? Is it, like, we talked about the possibility
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it could be an impression on time or something
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in the future that hasn't loaded yet. I love
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how that's worded. Or could it simply just be
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a spirit or an entity? I feel like that's what
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we're left with. Or a very low resolution, highly
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pixelated figure. Yeah. The apparition is like
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the 4K and the shadow figure is like the 240p.
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I love the idea of that. A low res apparition.
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Old black and white film. We're so nerdy on this
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podcast and this episode in particular, I feel
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like. Just this episode? Yeah. And we weren't
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nerdy the episode I was talking about prions
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and diseases in deer. Yeah, you're right. I forgot
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about that. I haven't edited that one yet. I
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was going to say, I feel like we've definitely
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had a lot more nerdy episodes than this one.
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We're all nerds in our own way. We're all nerds
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in our own ways. just different categories of
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nerd like uh ben is ben is a uh camera nerd i'm
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a animal nerd uh angela is a sign language nerd
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anyways i think we're all dodging the question
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um of what we think the real shadow figures truly
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are because i don't think think we dodged the
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question because we kind of discussed it like
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yeah we discussed like what it could be it's
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not like we're ever gonna really know what they
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are yeah because unless we get dead and then
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we become a shadow figure and then we're like
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oh now i truly understand what a shadow figure
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is i am one of them but like in my head like
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shadow figures are like the lowest on the hierarchy
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of like spirits that could present themselves
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in a visual way So, like, if you're that low
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on the hierarchy, would you even know what you
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are? I don't find that true. Because, like, there's
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still a form that you can see. I don't know.
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We'll talk about it at a different time. Maybe
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that'd be my next topic. Hierarchies. All right.
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And I think Ben's still like, we still haven't
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answered the question. No, I... I haven't because,
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listen, I don't... I'm just sitting here throwing
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out theories. I don't think any one theory is
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more or less accurate. I feel like it's a hard
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question to answer because I feel like each situation
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we have, we've had a shadow figure experience.
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It's like a different experience. It's a different
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entity. It's hard to say what, like... what it
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is and what's causing it and that's the hard
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thing with it being a shadow figure is like we
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can't tell what it is like it has no definition
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so i think it's it's one of those what a shadow
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figure is is constantly changing on each experience
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so so it's a shapeshifter no Sorry, that's not
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all I got out of that. That was very well stated.
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If it is a shadow, can they change their shadow
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shape? Could it be a shadow shifter? Well, see,
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that's the thing. Is it a shadow of an apparition?
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Or is a shadow figure an actual being and not
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a shadow? Yeah. The world will never know. I
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don't think I've seen or heard of a circumstance
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where a shadow figure has, like... changed its
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form but i don't know and that's a good question
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if any of you guys have seen a shadow change
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in form i want to know at that point if it changes
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form and is no longer a figure and is something
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more identifiable it has crossed the realm from
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being a shadow figure into an apparition too
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much too much I thought this was going to be
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a simple episode. I thought we were going to
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get on here and be like, yeah, we've had some
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experiences. I don't know what Shadow Figure
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is. Okay. 32 minute episode. We're done. This
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is deep, my bros. It might still be 32 minutes.
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I'm going to do my best to get it to be 32 minutes.
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Just for the gag. Just for the bit. This is a
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podcast full of bits. One bit after another.
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Undebunkable. Uncobunkable? Uncobunkable. Undebunkable.
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Here's a little bit, there's a little bit. And
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that's the real scandal at the heart of this
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podcast. Okay, Annie, before you do the outro,
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I still think you should put in the thing about
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me not pronouncing the... Jackalope. No, I'm
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not putting any... Jackaloping? You should. You
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and listen to the next one. You better! Oh, jeez.
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Okay. Very, very demanding, Angela Hughes. That
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sounded like a threat. Where is this fire the
31:36
whole episode? Just saving it for the outro?
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For the 2 % of the people that are going to make
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it to the outro.