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3 Carolina Panthers have entered the NFL top 100! · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Derek Brown and Ted Aroa McMillan crack the NFL top 100 joining Bryce Young, who has lofty expectations trying to earn his second contract.
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  [UNKNOWN]: How much actually are the panthers spending on their defense this year?
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  [UNKNOWN]: And which Carolina Panther wide receiver will be cut from a crowded wide receiver room?
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'm happy to see it.
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  [UNKNOWN]: You know, we were wondering last Tuesday or maybe it was the Tuesday before.
• 2:00
  [UNKNOWN]: How many other Panthers would be on the list?
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  [UNKNOWN]: The man, the myth alleging welcome back.
• 3:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Good to be hanging out with you.
• 3:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, I'm happy to be here yet again another week of genuine Panthers news and talk about.
• 3:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And man, it's me and Tony essentially took a week off.
• 3:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So we have a little catching up to do in completing some of the conversations that we're had last week on the pod.
• 4:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to be interested to see Tony's take on the Bright Show conversation that was had last week,
• 4:13
  [UNKNOWN]: some real conversation around Derek Brown in in my opinion, maybe in a little too low on this list.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So, but excited to be able to be here tapping up with you boys and, uh, man, just, uh, just another week to get it going.
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  [UNKNOWN]: C. K. I'm looking forward to it myself guys.
• 4:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Bryce young last week was named what what was it what was his number?
• 4:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It was number 98 and 100.
• 4:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Just cracked the top 100.
• 4:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I went on pirate radio on Friday on my Friday NFL Panther and NFL spot.
• 4:54
  [UNKNOWN]: They asked me about Bryce Young and you know, surprise should it be there when he think should it be higher.
• 5:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I'm surprised that he cracked the top 100.
• 5:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that do I necessarily believe?
• 5:13
  [UNKNOWN]: that he is should be considered a top 100 player.
• 5:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 5:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to, this is not a hate or move right here.
• 5:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just the importance of the quarterback position.
• 5:25
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what this kind of tells me right here is that I think that if we probably look through the list of all the quarterbacks in the league that are starting, it's the most important position and arguably all of sports, right, and a team game.
• 5:43
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think that Bryce is an example of, I mean, look, he's in this elite group of starting quarterbacks, right?
• 5:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's only 32 starting quarterbacks in the league.
• 5:55
  [UNKNOWN]: So that if it's the most important group in the most important position, that that lens to him leapfrogging like maybe a wide receiver or safety that is really, really great at their position, just because of the caliber of the position.
• 6:11
  [UNKNOWN]: price young though what it did to me is it tells me look is that more painters were on the way and that's what we found out this week a new Derek Brown would be a new title row of McMillan would be and I wanted to ask you guys is what do you think is or
• 6:31
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you guys think about Bryce I'm going to top 100 super quick and now you talked about it last week and what quarterbacks because I have been on the radio segment on Pirate Radio for for like over 10 years and we do some ranking quarterbacks things and when we ranked quarterbacks.
• 6:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It was a collective.
• 6:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It wasn't me doing the ranking, you know, but it was Bryce Young fell in the kind of 20 to 32 range.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So how many quarterbacks.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think many don't make the top 100.
• 7:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Jacobi Bersett comes to mind.
• 7:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Vikings quarterback Michael Pinnick's junior is Bryce Young 100 worthy.
• 7:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Or is there a conspiracy of foot?
• 7:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I have a friend that has a belief there's a conspiracy of how Bryce cracked the top 100.
• 7:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, Tony, I'm very interested to hear your experiences.
• 7:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I love me and good experiences, especially if it pertains to us.
• 7:38
  [UNKNOWN]: But this, and I kind of said this last week, but to me, him even being on the top 100 is a step in the right direction after missing it to be this two years.
• 7:48
  [UNKNOWN]: So we're moving at the right direction, but that's the same time.
• 7:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And again, I'm like, you, I'm not trying to be a hater here, but he's French top 100.
• 7:55
  [UNKNOWN]: He's 90, he's at the very bottom of the list.
• 8:00
  [UNKNOWN]: But then also I think another way that you can look at this too, you know, there are so many good players that don't make the NFL top 100 and then you kind of have to relate it to pro ball voting like in many ways in essence, it's a, it's a pop.
• 8:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think Bryce him being an exceptional person off the field and you know, clutch at the end of the games that he does play in.
• 8:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it definitely helps us talk.
• 8:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, but I don't know.
• 8:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not thinking too much about it.
• 8:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Just yet like I'm not pissed that.
• 8:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he doesn't deserve to be on this.
• 8:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Or what he wasn't on it.
• 8:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think the other way to look at it is if he wasn't on it because that's what they were
• 8:54
  [UNKNOWN]: kind of killer take like habitat, you know, I mean, they weren't like baiting me.
• 8:58
  [UNKNOWN]: They're not click on, but if we would have missed the playoffs, he probably wouldn't have been on the list.
• 9:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think this is that I wouldn't, if he was not on the list, I would not be like, I cannot believe this bar can list.
• 9:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that what I told them CK is I finished mine out is rather, I don't have any skin really in this is like,
• 9:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that again, I had my 32 quarterback take this among the most important.
• 9:31
  [UNKNOWN]: But as players vote these guys in, I think one thing is if he was wasn't on the list, it tells us one.
• 9:38
  [UNKNOWN]: But that I think that him being us having multiple players, because we got another one coming, I believe, on on this list ahead, that it shows this is that they believe
• 9:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 9:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that is like, if he's that French player, like Cody said, if they had concern that he was going from good to average to worse, who's going on a downward decline, what to made it.
• 10:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think it says this is what they're seeing with Carolina, what they're doing, what Bryce is doing is he's going up.
• 10:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not down.
• 10:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that's that's kind of my take last week was the fact that this is.
• 10:19
  [UNKNOWN]: NFL players that voted this.
• 10:22
  [UNKNOWN]: It gives me a real belief that what he is excelent at is what players respect more than anything.
• 10:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And that is to be able to go in when your team needs you and be the reason you win a game.
• 10:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 10:37
  [UNKNOWN]: All the other stuff and you can have a bad game right that let's talk about the Rams the first half of that Rams game as an example right it wasn't a great game like it there was some you know arguably some things that didn't really fall on Bryce's to the reason why that his numbers maybe didn't look great there in the first half but
• 10:54
  [UNKNOWN]: At the end of the day, he was able to recover from something that ultimately falls on his shoulders and he was able to come back and do something in a really, really difficult situation and bring the team back to lead with only two minutes left in the game.
• 11:11
  [UNKNOWN]: So I mean, I think players look at that and I think they value that more than just pure talent when you're talking about whether or not a guy is going to be a good football player and I think this game is so much mental but also physical that the mixture of those two things for Bryce is why I think he's starting to gain a little bit of that respect.
• 11:31
  [UNKNOWN]: But, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it tells me that a lot of people see the Panthers right now because what we didn't have, but maybe two people on this in last year.
• 11:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know what they're, uh, J.C. No, they weren't.
• 11:48
  [UNKNOWN]: We're there.
• 11:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it was date Brown and J.C. One.
• 11:50
  [UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, uh, uh, I was going to come off an injury.
• 11:55
  [UNKNOWN]: No, we either didn't have any or we just had J.C.
• 11:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I kind of don't feel like we had it.
• 11:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Chad, did you all remember?
• 12:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Cause I'm blank.
• 12:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that we did it.
• 12:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It would have been J.C. Horn because Derek Brown was coming off an injury, right?
• 12:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, it might be true.
• 12:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 12:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, and, and Terry J, uh, John B. Jenkins, uh, comment is that Brown is getting, uh, no love getting shit on.
• 12:17
  [UNKNOWN]: And this ranking here.
• 12:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Here's the conspiracy guys.
• 12:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, player is a player awarded list, right?
• 12:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 12:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's as voted by the players, which by the way, I do have questions about like do practice or I'd members vote on this shit, you know what I mean?
• 12:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Like who's getting this list of vote on it?
• 12:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Is it just everyone on the frequency every day?
• 12:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my buddy's a theory when they were trying to talk to me about Bryce and whether he should be or shouldn't be He said Playing for Alabama has some does these some things in the NFL.
• 12:53
  [UNKNOWN]: There's so many players from Alabama throughout the league That they're fraternity brothers and they're voting players from Alabama Because they like them over other schools, but that was a conspiracy Yeah, it's a war just yeah, it makes sense is that you know, I'm an Alabama
• 13:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me ask you a question.
• 13:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Why do you think that that makes sense?
• 13:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Because what they're saying is that if it's voted on by the players and there's a fuckload of Alabama players in the NFL, that they're not just, yeah, they're kind of just voting Jeremiah's.
• 13:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like J.C. Horn might have voted for a look at.
• 13:30
  [UNKNOWN]: If that was, if that was real, if that was an actual thing that I think you, I mean, do I think that's possibly happening on a small scale, possibly?
• 13:39
  [UNKNOWN]: And I appreciate the fact that you're saying it's a conspiracy theory because I'm going to take my 10-foil hat off on this one.
• 13:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But we would be seeing, if that was the case, every year we would see an Alabama player that should be in the top 100 in the top 100.
• 13:53
  [UNKNOWN]: We're maybe not as maybe conspiracy is too hard of a word is just like an underlying bias for big places, but like teams that like for Georgia players, for players that that does move a guy on the fringe up because they go, you know what is I don't know who plays for, I don't know Derek Brown, but I know Bryce Young because I played with him.
• 14:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Derek Brown played for
• 14:23
  [UNKNOWN]: He played for SEC school there in different Auburn Auburn.
• 14:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think until these halfway through right so I don't think that is just because right He played for Alabama, but I think it's because one we made the playoffs Which I do think helped he played very good in said playoff game
• 14:44
  [UNKNOWN]: And he has gotten better each and every year that he has played.
• 14:49
  [UNKNOWN]: He is an ascending player, which right now, you can't be bad at.
• 14:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think being a quarterback to that just pushes you across a higher up, right?
• 15:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Because they're not going to show.
• 15:03
  [UNKNOWN]: How hard is it?
• 15:04
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I think when it comes to the
• 15:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I wish they had a court or no, not the Super Bowl, the offensive player of the year is a quarterback award.
• 15:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I wish they had best quarterback and then because a quarterback is going to win it 99 out of 100 times.
• 15:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It feels like.
• 15:26
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think that if you're starting quarterback and you're not somebody who, you know, like, oh, we're going to go into the league to the year with Kyle Allen.
• 15:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Your odds are you should be kind of around the top 150 top 100 players in the league just because of the power of that position.
• 15:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, the reason I, I don't subscribe to that notion of that conspiracy theory is do we think that CJ stroud is cracking the top 100.
• 15:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Certainly.
• 15:58
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no.
• 15:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they stroud is definitely making the top 100.
• 16:02
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, he says you're this year was not good for him.
• 16:07
  [UNKNOWN]: CJ has retired highs, but rice was better this year.
• 16:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't, I think he will.
• 16:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you wouldn't be mad on it.
• 16:17
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's talk about these new, too much on Bright, not too much on Bright.
• 16:22
  [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to be talking about Bright for the rest of our lives until the next year.
• 16:25
  [UNKNOWN]: And we do have one more Bright story tonight.
• 16:27
  [UNKNOWN]: We can almost even talk about it now, but what would you like to do with Bright's on Bright's?
• 16:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's finish this top 100 discussion real here is that as Bright's was
• 16:40
  [UNKNOWN]: entered the this was on Friday when I was doing a bit and they were like prices in the 100 and how do you feel about it then we went to who do you think for the Panthers?
• 16:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I said it's got to be Derek Brown, it's got to be J.C. Horn, and then we all kind of settled on offensive rookie of the year, Teteroma, McMillan, should be in there, probably will be, should be.
• 17:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I am with John B. Jenkins here.
• 17:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't like the ordering of these two.
• 17:10
  [UNKNOWN]: And I don't want to quibble.
• 17:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to send a brother against brother here.
• 17:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Derrick Brown should be higher on this list.
• 17:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that there obviously is not enough offensive lineman casting their vote here with Derrick Brown.
• 17:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I am a little surprised that Ted Arrow would make Millen was ahead of him.
• 17:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Go ahead, you guys, what do you think about Derek Brown?
• 17:35
  [UNKNOWN]: He's definitely a top 100 player, arguably, I think that if he had slightly played on, if he'd been on a better team for his last five years, and kind of had that branding that comes around with like an Aaron Don, like,
• 17:50
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's hard for a defensive tackle to be noticed and exciting throughout, but these are players, these are players you would think they would have, they wouldn't just be susceptible to fans.
• 18:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I think though Derek Brown's branding by being with the Panthers, his branding, if he would have been with the Rams or somebody else, potentially could have been that would
• 18:19
  [UNKNOWN]: The problem is, if I'm not mistaken, and I could be wrong in this, but I think that what ends up happening is people have to essentially write down, or their vote is based on like positions, almost, and so, like, and I think somehow they have some way of correlating that to allow them to rank 100 in the problem with the ranking system right now.
• 18:49
  [UNKNOWN]: is the defensive tackle position is deep in the NFL, right?
• 18:54
  [UNKNOWN]: They're very, very deep.
• 18:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 18:57
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's a more important, it's like Todius said, it's become more and more important, isn't it?
• 19:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 19:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It's, it's so, I mean, when you look across the league, like when we've got mad about the probal, but we've then seen the people in the probal, we're like,
• 19:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I can see who you take out in the background and not because I don't think Derek ground to deserve to be there, but because I just like I don't think that they also deserve to be there and I think that what happens is they did have the stats from the position that put them in that in that role.
• 19:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we see a lot of things that their brown does that impacts the team maybe even better than most of those others such as like just every single day just throwing every game you're just seeing Brian bald in your clip of him just yeah handling.
• 19:48
  [UNKNOWN]: a 300 to 400 pound, you know, dude on the trenches and just somehow getting this, you know, it's, the dude is, he's a monster, and, and so when we look at that, as Panther fans were like, oh my gosh, this dude is incredible.
• 20:05
  [UNKNOWN]: by a great I agree with Panther pickle here or not agree.
• 20:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is a good comment.
• 20:10
  [UNKNOWN]: A Derek Bram would be a mega super star if he played in a four three.
• 20:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Studdy with a and that it like he could maybe thrive more.
• 20:20
  [UNKNOWN]: So there you go, Panther.
• 20:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Pickle, right there.
• 20:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody, your thoughts on Derek Brown.
• 20:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So, how about this, man?
• 20:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Ejera Vera was able to keep his job after his defense gave up the most points in NFL history.
• 20:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Simply off the back of him not having Derek Brown,
• 20:46
  [UNKNOWN]: for an entire season.
• 20:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Like that shows you how much Derek Brown means to this defense.
• 20:54
  [UNKNOWN]: He is the lynch pen of this defense.
• 20:58
  [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, when you talk about, you know, how much respect does a player get relative to all the other
• 21:05
  [UNKNOWN]: big name deep into tackles that are out there right.
• 21:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to talk about Dexter Lawrence out there Quinn and Williams like I forget the guy from the Titans, but there are some some mammoths out there that are doing work and you know to panther pickle statement and I'm okay.
• 21:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So I know you Tony and CK don't know talking about but like
• 21:28
  [UNKNOWN]: we're working on getting some former Panthers players on this pod that is in the works be looking forward to it and I'm not going to give too much away but in in a conversation I had with a former Panthers player I was told explicitly
• 21:48
  [UNKNOWN]: that Derek Brown is being so under-service by not being allowed to basically do what K1 short news to do, and that's to be a three-technic defensive tackle in a 4-3 defense.
• 22:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And I genuinely believe that.
• 22:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I believe that if Derek Brown was in more of a past Russia style situation rather than an edge in a 34 defensive alignment, I do think that he would be viewed even higher than he is now.
• 22:23
  [UNKNOWN]: but even in spite of all of that, even though he doesn't have all the god in numbers, everyone knows what he does.
• 22:32
  [UNKNOWN]: He's impossible to run the football against.
• 22:35
  [UNKNOWN]: He stacks and sheds with the best double.
• 22:38
  [UNKNOWN]: He can eat up a double team like it's nobody's business.
• 22:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And telling you, okay, how many times have we been on here showing a clip of Brian Ball Dinger?
• 22:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Breaking down how Derek Brown will just violently throw around some of the best offensive lineman in the NFL He is that good.
• 23:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I do agree CK.
• 23:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He is by far better than the 90th player
• 23:06
  [UNKNOWN]: in the NFL.
• 23:08
  [UNKNOWN]: And just like I'm hoping that this is the start of an upward ascension from Bryce Jung in this list every year.
• 23:16
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, if the Panthers have another good year, I expect to see dirt brown much higher on this list, especially if someone like a Lee Hunter who is our second round draft pick out of Texas Tech, if you can be a meaningful rider
• 23:34
  [UNKNOWN]: and of jail and Phillips can continue to get that pressure.
• 23:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It makes dirt browns job even easier for him to be viewed as one of the better defensive linemen than all of the NFL.
• 23:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not to tell us, you know, to move on from the Derek Brown conversation, but something that, you know, Tony has talked about, which again, I think I appreciate the approach that you have.
• 24:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's so much about T-Mac as it is about Derek Brown about why he should be above, right, T-Mac, right?
• 24:08
  [UNKNOWN]: It's that Derek Brown shouldn't have valued higher than 90.
• 24:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's a lot of people that's going to argue that
• 24:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, that position is absolutely perfect for him and but that does start to allow me to open up a question to you fellas.
• 24:29
  [UNKNOWN]: When's the last time that we had a rookie in the top 100?
• 24:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
• 24:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a great question.
• 24:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't know.
• 24:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 24:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe we're the only in the top 100 during the game.
• 24:41
  [UNKNOWN]: What a big precision.
• 24:43
  [UNKNOWN]: It wouldn't have been Christian McCaffrey.
• 24:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it wouldn't have had to have been.
• 24:47
  [UNKNOWN]: No, it would have been.
• 24:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Luke.
• 24:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was.
• 24:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It was camp because in the 2000 or maybe they started in the
• 24:58
  [UNKNOWN]: So, if Cam was the offensive worker of the year in 2011, there's no way he didn't make that list.
• 25:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 25:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's think that you was.
• 25:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 25:07
  [UNKNOWN]: What?
• 25:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to do some research into that as we're doing this.
• 25:11
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• 25:14
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• 25:20
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• 25:29
  [UNKNOWN]: And just thank you for everybody for your participation, your time, your energy in the chat.
• 25:33
  [UNKNOWN]: You tell us what you think about these rankings.
• 25:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And we, I guess that CK caught onto it.
• 25:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not brother against brother.
• 25:41
  [UNKNOWN]: It's damn, it's Derek Brown versus the rest of the NFL is I don't want T-Mac lower on the list.
• 25:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I just think that Derek Brown is significantly, he's like notably one of the best.
• 25:56
  [UNKNOWN]: He said it's top three at his position, yeah.
• 25:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, so if you just did top three at every position, I guess maybe that is the top 100 Cody lat.
• 26:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's take a couple of, let's take one call.
• 26:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's say one call because one of the things I want to do is I want to get these calls a little earlier, just because they're probably talking about what we're talking about right now in these
• 26:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So what do you thought it's on cat calling?
• 26:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's pretty f***ing shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 26:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And how do that make you feel?
• 26:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, very uncomfortable.
• 26:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, how do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 26:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It feels good like, please, and of course.
• 26:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm going to call you back to see three days in.
• 26:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Sit up down with the whole deal of checking in real quick.
• 26:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Hold the line.
• 26:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, just want to give a shout out to the crew man.
• 26:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Y'all did an excellent job.
• 27:00
  [UNKNOWN]: A panther pickle.
• 27:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Great.
• 27:03
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, the whole crew's CK last week, man.
• 27:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed the show.
• 27:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Shout out to the great Tony doing as well.
• 27:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I hope you enjoyed your vacation, my man.
• 27:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, what do you got to say, did it pause?
• 27:19
  [UNKNOWN]: They did my screen.
• 27:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree the back daddy, the stat daddy, you know, I love your man.
• 27:25
  [UNKNOWN]: But then last week in the show, man, when you said the Andy Dalton had a better career than trying Newton, that's a great idea.
• 27:33
  [UNKNOWN]: He better be glad it was a vacation.
• 27:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Come on, Greg.
• 27:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I love you.
• 27:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Nice.
• 27:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
• 27:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Come on, man.
• 27:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I can't be gotten everybody to play out for him.
• 27:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Love Andy, but he was just an okay.
• 27:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Don't love Andy.
• 27:47
  [UNKNOWN]: He wasn't a game changer.
• 27:49
  [UNKNOWN]: You can't disrespect him like that.
• 27:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Every time I think, though, but, but anyway, man, it's really good y'all to see us crack the top 100 man.
• 28:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I saw Derek Brown.
• 28:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Ted a little million.
• 28:06
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what we talked about Bryce.
• 28:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Who else should I think might I might sneak in there y'all think JC Mike Jack or thank no word might sneak in there as well Man, I just love the fact that we are we actually getting some exposure man I just hope that it doesn't you know that tension doesn't make us take off our foot off the gas man because we got a lot that we need to accomplish this year
• 28:31
  [UNKNOWN]: But hey, much love everybody out there and then it's the whole deal of everybody stay hopeful.
• 28:36
  [UNKNOWN]: He found it.
• 28:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Stay hopeful.
• 28:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Thanks for your call.
• 28:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Greg better be glad I wasn't on the podcast because it is two people that started my sharpening when I called sharpening my Twitter sword for Cam Newton.
• 28:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It was among the Panther fan crew at the time.
• 28:57
  [UNKNOWN]: rewind to 2012, 2013, like around there.
• 29:03
  [UNKNOWN]: The Derek Anderson would give us a better chance is a better pocket pass or we'd give you a better chance.
• 29:11
  [UNKNOWN]: That crew, I would take my sword out, I would sharpen it and I would with what kind of steel is it, Cody.
• 29:22
  [UNKNOWN]: The steel from the
• 29:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the variance.
• 29:26
  [UNKNOWN]: But Larry, my Valerian steel sword shot down fools over this and the other was Andy Dalton is a better quarterback take, which was by a lot of people because he had AJ Green, I mean, he was putting up some numbers.
• 29:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Shut, ice up, ice up right there.
• 29:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, hope dealer for calling out in my stead what needs to be called out.
• 29:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe my Jack may stop 100.
• 29:53
  [UNKNOWN]: There's no way around is that 90, come on.
• 29:57
  [UNKNOWN]: And I love some like Jackson.
• 29:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I've been a Mike Jackson dude from the beginning.
• 30:01
  [UNKNOWN]: But nah, nah, I don't believe that.
• 30:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I believe we got one left in the hole.
• 30:07
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's J.C. Horn.
• 30:09
  [UNKNOWN]: To his point though,
• 30:13
  [UNKNOWN]: This is arguably like I think that this is that does this not say at least that the Carolina Panthers are starting to get talent or not get starting to get talent, but that talent is real and recognized it's real and it's like is this is that there have been times in the last few years where you go well, there's no Panthers on the top 100 or there's one and you're like you know what I am really that mad about.
• 30:42
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, I feel like the players that we have on the team are starting to get to recognition that they deserve.
• 30:49
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's incredible what winning will do.
• 30:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Especially when you go out and you beat some of the better teams that the NFL has to offer, we beat the Green Bay Packers.
• 31:00
  [UNKNOWN]: We beat the Rams.
• 31:01
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, we picked out random.
• 31:03
  [UNKNOWN]: We ran the rams to the end.
• 31:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 31:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We came back against the Miami Dolphins in the game that we thought we were short of lose like all those things start to stack up But one another and you know, even though we backed into the playoffs Because there's some NFC south shenanigans
• 31:23
  [UNKNOWN]: then, you know, it still means that more eyes were on the Carolina Panthers, then they had been in previous years.
• 31:31
  [UNKNOWN]: And all of those players had great years last year.
• 31:34
  [UNKNOWN]: They're brown looked really good.
• 31:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I do think that we're going to see J.C. Horn.
• 31:39
  [UNKNOWN]: He had some incredible
• 31:42
  [UNKNOWN]: incredible crazy athletic interceptions last year and then obviously we have the offensive player of the deer who has now in one season become the number one option for Bryce Dome who is
• 31:57
  [UNKNOWN]: also continuing to move up.
• 31:58
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think all of those things considered together.
• 32:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think instead we're getting more talent that is better.
• 32:07
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just our talent that has been here busting their ass.
• 32:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It's now finally started to get there.
• 32:14
  [UNKNOWN]: They're, you know, they're good gracious.
• 32:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think we're starting to get more than just one or two talented players, right?
• 32:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're going to have four people in the top 100.
• 32:26
  [UNKNOWN]: And there's five, maybe seven that you can have in the top 150 here's a you got I got a player for you that should be on the top 100 list that's not going to make it.
• 32:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Taylor mode.
• 32:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, okay, not going to be good and think about that one.
• 32:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Timo, Trevor more.
• 32:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I mean, this might have been more it was.
• 32:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Don't think it was monster last year.
• 32:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm more, yeah, like it was most, you know, tack, not tackles for law.
• 32:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think behind the line of scrimmage.
• 32:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he was, he was setting, he was played out of his mind.
• 33:02
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, back to T-Mac in his, now we're on T-Mac.
• 33:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We didn't really get into him completely on what you get, where I, let's look at this at 87 on the list, offensive rookie of the year.
• 33:15
  [UNKNOWN]: superstar talent in the making we hope, um, probably the most exciting and productive wide receiver we've ever had as a rookie, I would argue, uh, you're thoughts on T Mack making the top 100.
• 33:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, and you're off into rookie here, you would think you should get there, right?
• 33:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, dude, he is the offensive rookie of the year and in one season, he became a Panthers legend broke the rookie record for yards in the season.
• 33:49
  [UNKNOWN]: He was a big time option for Bryce and again, it was just first year in the NFL.
• 33:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Then you hear that homeboy was 15 pounds lighter than he likes to play.
• 34:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He's a big strong number one wide receiver and I won't play it because it never will get demonetized because.
• 34:10
  [UNKNOWN]: And the blurb about.
• 34:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Team Mac, Mike Evans gave him a glowing endorsement and by the way, obviously they're different players, but that's kind of for your hoping that Team Mac becomes for Carolina
• 34:33
  [UNKNOWN]: that big strong monster that's unguardedable and that when you're putable anywhere in this vicinity, he's going to come down with it.
• 34:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So I love this.
• 34:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that two Mac has been a great addition to the team.
• 34:48
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, initially in the draft process, I wasn't the biggest fan of the idea or drafting him.
• 34:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's a lot of needs that defensive at that time.
• 34:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not just
• 35:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm drafting him, I, you know, looking at T max stats is I'm actually surprised he was able to put those stats up, given this offense last year and while the team did ascend and get better, this was not a world beating passing offense.
• 35:22
  [UNKNOWN]: that was just dish in and dealing.
• 35:25
  [UNKNOWN]: And in fact, was a mecca, bucca, bucca, the Tampa Bay receiver was in the first half of the season to get that offensive rookie of the year.
• 35:39
  [UNKNOWN]: position, and team act just consistently just had consistently good games down the street, you know, consistent consistent consistent consistent and better getting better.
• 35:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 35:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I thought team act deserve to be.
• 35:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I think every time I'm so worried now because like so many people are like the situation is the book gets to the haters haters.
• 35:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a hating person on this is like
• 36:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is that if he was in a more prolific offense, his numbers would have been for better.
• 36:15
  [UNKNOWN]: He had 70, I mean, these are very good numbers, right?
• 36:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, I'm not saying I don't want these numbers.
• 36:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Please don't take it that way is he gets his deserved offensive review of the year.
• 36:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it was the most exceptional.
• 36:30
  [UNKNOWN]: rookie receiver year and like to, you know, and I'm going to give you some that are crazy.
• 36:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Good.
• 36:36
  [UNKNOWN]: He had 17 games.
• 36:37
  [UNKNOWN]: He had 70 receptions.
• 36:38
  [UNKNOWN]: He got a thousand yards.
• 36:40
  [UNKNOWN]: He had seven touchdowns, longest reception was 43 yards.
• 36:56
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, type of category.
• 36:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We can hear you, by the way.
• 37:00
  [UNKNOWN]: We get, um, we, you know, not safe.
• 37:04
  [UNKNOWN]: He's going to be in that category by any means, but look at this is think of this is what I say 70 catches a thousand 14 yards, seven touchdowns.
• 37:24
  [UNKNOWN]: 13 touchdowns, Odo Beckham Jr., and just 12 games.
• 37:30
  [UNKNOWN]: 12 games in his rookie year.
• 37:32
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
• 37:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Is 91 receptions, 1,300 yards, 12 touchdowns.
• 37:38
  [UNKNOWN]: That's insane.
• 37:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Randy Moss.
• 37:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, he averaged 19 yards of catch, compared to 14 and a half.
• 37:49
  [UNKNOWN]: He had 17 touchdowns as a rookie, 6 to 1,300 yards.
• 37:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Antquam boom, 13 on yards, 101 catches, eight touchdowns.
• 37:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Puka Nicola, listen to this.
• 38:01
  [UNKNOWN]: He did not win the rookie of the year.
• 38:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But he had a hundred and five catches his rookie year.
• 38:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And 1486 receiving yards.
• 38:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I guess my point that I'm trying to make is that Ted a row of McMillan did this on an offense that Wow was getting better and we're excited about getting better was not just this dominant High-powered you high volume offense in fact.
• 38:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean look is CK we're going throughout the season lots of times a quarterback average in under 200 yards pass in a game
• 38:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, the problem that I have with the situation that our offense was in last year was we couldn't figure out who we were.
• 38:54
  [UNKNOWN]: and the problem with that is that meant that there were going to be times when we were only throwing the ball like 18 times and then just running the ball 40 times.
• 39:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And then we would do that again because it worked and then it didn't work but they never they never went to the passing game and then they would go to the passing game almost too much and I think that does put a bit of
• 39:21
  [UNKNOWN]: a challenge on on a you know receivers numbers that's especially a rookie receiver trying to get his bearings because let's not forget I mean Drew is is pointing out something that I think we all can acknowledge.
• 39:36
  [UNKNOWN]: T. Mac had a drops problem for the first half of the year.
• 39:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 39:40
  [UNKNOWN]: He did you know he you know he had more drops than Xavier Leggett had in
• 39:50
  [UNKNOWN]: So we're in there were some big time jobs that he had like he absolutely would have had a much different, you know, a statistical year had those drops not take a place.
• 40:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I can remember one that was in the ends, um, um, specifically a big and some deep balls to that would have added to his yards, you know, to get his yards per game.
• 40:12
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to have to remember this when we do.
• 40:15
  [UNKNOWN]: whoever our sponsor is next year when it comes to fantasy, daily fantasies football sports, rookie of the year yards, a thousand 14 yards is 59.6 yards per game, it's not a lot, I mean it doesn't feel like a lot, it doesn't feel like a lot, but like maybe we have to be careful when we're going to Vegas, choosing the over
• 40:40
  [UNKNOWN]: You know you get that to you.
• 40:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh 66 yards.
• 40:43
  [UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be over.
• 40:45
  [UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be over The shows you that 70 yards a game is a big fucking season.
• 40:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 40:52
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 40:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It is in this um I did want before we moved on.
• 40:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I did love his mindset behind this uh because when he was told that he made number 87 on the list he was like um
• 41:09
  [UNKNOWN]: But I feel like a top 100.
• 41:11
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a lot of people.
• 41:12
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I think of it.
• 41:13
  [UNKNOWN]: That's 99 know the people that could have been there besides myself.
• 41:18
  [UNKNOWN]: So he's like, hey man, that's not very high on the list.
• 41:22
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, he wants to be high.
• 41:24
  [UNKNOWN]: He thinks of himself as high.
• 41:25
  [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't even imagine this number as anything great.
• 41:29
  [UNKNOWN]: So he continues to have that dog in him.
• 41:32
  [UNKNOWN]: He wants to go out and get it.
• 41:34
  [UNKNOWN]: And he wants to be special.
• 41:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be a critical year for him and for his success related to the Carolina Panthers.
• 41:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Because what we need is team at growth and I believe I don't think he's not going to grow.
• 41:52
  [UNKNOWN]: But you know, you have that cloud of the sophomore slump and that's not only because of the player but the team around him.
• 42:00
  [UNKNOWN]: But if team at is playing better next year, that means the panthers are better.
• 42:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 42:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 42:08
  [UNKNOWN]: And if we can get some actual help, you know, if you're doing Xavier, like get, find the turns it on or if Chris Brasal jumps out of nowhere and it's up being another legitimate threat on this team.
• 42:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Like boys, there were times last year when he had a safety and a corner on him.
• 42:27
  [UNKNOWN]: because no one else drew any respect on this wide receiver.
• 42:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 42:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it was him by himself pretty much and he's still managed to be a thousand yard receiver.
• 42:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Again, this is also before Jim and Coker came back healthy.
• 42:41
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, if we have another top 100 player in the making for next year in Jonathan Brooks, baby.
• 42:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 42:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, play action to team act.
• 42:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 42:55
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's do it.
• 42:56
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, Tony, we're going to jump to the defensive side of the ball.
• 43:00
  [UNKNOWN]: This is from Mike Morattis on, uh, I believe it's a cat grave.
• 43:05
  [UNKNOWN]: No, sports industry department.
• 43:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, it says a 2000 to 26 computer zero of arrows last ride with the Carolina Panthers.
• 43:14
  [UNKNOWN]: One way or the other, this could be the final season for a zero of arrow as the defense coordinator for the Panthers.
• 43:22
  [UNKNOWN]: He said the Carolina Panthers have a good chance to take a step forward on defense it's coming season, but the downside of that is is it could lead to the team having the surge for a new coordinator in the third year at the helm for the Panthers defense and zero of arrow and Carolina's unit performing about on an average level.
• 43:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Carolina ranked 15th in point sand passing yards allowed per game in 20.
• 43:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's in rushing yards Fast forward to 2020.
• 43:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Six and the Panthers have a good chance to be even better and if that comes to fruition a very well-land
• 43:58
  [UNKNOWN]: a head coaching gig, next off season.
• 44:01
  [UNKNOWN]: In recent years, a barrel has received multiple looks, a hand coaching reviews, so it's certainly not outlandish to think he could get more and land a coaching job.
• 44:12
  [UNKNOWN]: However, on the flip side, with everything the painters have invested in the defense of this off season, a step in the wrong direction for a barrel's unit in this
• 44:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Getting the boot, and I do largely agree with that.
• 44:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this is the last season for a Gerola Merrow because if this defense takes that meaningful step forward Which is what we want to or it just flounders and doesn't do much.
• 44:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like he's out the door either way.
• 44:46
  [UNKNOWN]: He's either kind of
• 44:48
  [UNKNOWN]: bit ripped the rewards of the success of a great defense or it'll be him and what his fourth fifth year of us just being stagnant and then do we have to sort of move on from him at that point.
• 45:02
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think I think it's going to be as you ever wrote in among the talks of being a new head coach for a team.
• 45:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I think is I think that the Panthers if we are I mean if we are sending I mean the Panthers defense played Significantly better last year with better talent.
• 45:24
  [UNKNOWN]: We've added significantly more talent to it While we can say, you know, we have our moments where we don't think ever is like he's kind of hung on the injuries or at least been shielded by some of that
• 45:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, he has been consistently, I mean, he's been part of the team for, for while now.
• 45:44
  [UNKNOWN]: He had success in Denver.
• 45:46
  [UNKNOWN]: When he's had these numbers that popped, it drove a Drew interest.
• 45:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I can't, I, I think this is that I'm thinking the Carolina Panthers are having a good year this year.
• 45:56
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think the defense is going to be significant part of that.
• 45:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I think maybe I don't know if he's going to get a head coaching job.
• 46:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But I do think he will be in the conversations for those head coaching jobs and then the Carolina Panthers have to make a decision about pregnant back and then they will.
• 46:12
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think he's either going to leave as a head coach or return as the defensive coordinator for the Carolina Panthers.
• 46:17
  [UNKNOWN]: That's my feeling.
• 46:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I have a hard time seeing him move into a head coaching role right now.
• 46:34
  [UNKNOWN]: if I look at his body of work as a Panthers defensive coordinator.
• 46:39
  [UNKNOWN]: While there's been improvement, there has been nothing that has made me feel like he has the reason this defense is accelerated at any capacity whatsoever, but it is at every turn boiled down to whether or not he's had talent on his team and that's it, right?
• 46:56
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying that other people are not even he's done some good things with mediocre talent.
• 47:01
  [UNKNOWN]: He's done some decent things.
• 47:03
  [UNKNOWN]: He has not excelled when the talent was below bore.
• 47:07
  [UNKNOWN]: But my point being is that when I look at what the entire body of work, right?
• 47:15
  [UNKNOWN]: We hear players talking about how this deep like Derek Brown has been grossly mismanaged in him being forced to be in a position that he is not going to allow him to excel.
• 47:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Right, like it feels to me as though that if ever, at no point, do I ever feel like he has made this defense better?
• 47:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It has nine, nine times out of ten, any improvement that I felt has taken place is because we've had good players, not because our coaching was great.
• 47:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree and he looks at me.
• 47:55
  [UNKNOWN]: He's camera friendly.
• 47:58
  [UNKNOWN]: He's good looking.
• 47:59
  [UNKNOWN]: He's kind of par the course when it comes to his speak.
• 48:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And the good news is the Sean McDermott lives in.
• 48:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I would love that to bring back that 43, but also like even decisions that he's made when, you know, we're at the bottom of the league in terms of getting into the quarterback and he still doesn't blitz.
• 48:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, is that a byproduct of him not being completely trustworthy in the backfield?
• 48:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know why you're wouldn't be dread chasing home in my Jackson at your disposal, but why wouldn't you sense some more pressures if that's not something you're not getting
• 48:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 48:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I understand that they don't want to have the blitz and ideally if you never had the blitz to get pressure, that's a perfect world.
• 48:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But we have not been living in a perfect world the past couple seasons for the Panthers.
• 48:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I have been a very loud credit coming to your overall barrel.
• 48:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't hate the guy, but it's like, and Tony Endo I've said this to you before.
• 49:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this three, four defense has been trying to fit a square peg into a round hole forever.
• 49:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Like we keep on trying to make this thing work.
• 49:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And it just doesn't feel good, man.
• 49:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Like we have good players, but I just feel like we're not utilizing our best players correctly by continuing to try to make this work the way we are, man.
• 49:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And to CK's point where you like likely right CK is that this defense no matter what it is and how it is perform good, okay, this it's not been sexy enough to a lure to be like to an owner being like I need this defense of coordinator.
• 49:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I can see that what you're talking about I agree with that Cody what's up next.
• 49:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think it's about how much the hell we spend on this deep this year.
• 49:58
  [UNKNOWN]: You know what?
• 49:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, where we got it.
• 50:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're going to be, that is on there, but we're going to, I'm following this.
• 50:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm following you.
• 50:06
  [UNKNOWN]: So this, I put this on there, because this kind of piss me off.
• 50:13
  [UNKNOWN]: This really kind of,
• 50:15
  [UNKNOWN]: This really got my goat for lack of a better term afraid of grinds your gears.
• 50:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It grinds my gears, dude.
• 50:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So okay, the name of this is an insider's prediction for Bryce Y'all is ludicrous and unfair.
• 50:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, this is what Albert Brear had to say.
• 50:40
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is what Albert Breer said about the Bryson and then the person who wrote this article who I did not print the name of my apologize, he this song sports illustrated though.
• 50:57
  [UNKNOWN]: So this is what Albert Breer had to say.
• 50:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Send the Panthers reports to head into the fourth year of Bryce Young's contract, and it is to be clear of critical one for everyone involved.
• 51:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, they exercise this picture option for 2021 and 25.9 million.
• 51:15
  [UNKNOWN]: But if young doesn't look like the kind of guy the team would want to invest a deal at more than 15 million per year,
• 51:24
  [UNKNOWN]: And this fall, then Carolina will become a suitor for quarterback next spring.
• 51:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, to me, that sounded reasonable, but this is nothing, so I thought so too, but this is what this writer had to say.
• 51:43
  [UNKNOWN]: He said, all the nothing seems to be the name of the game with NFL teams these days, especially as it pertains to John Carterbacks.
• 51:50
  [UNKNOWN]: If they're picked highly, they play early, and it's encouraged when either they're great or they're not.
• 51:56
  [UNKNOWN]: There is no in between.
• 51:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We have plenty of evidence that is not the case.
• 52:01
  [UNKNOWN]: The reclamation projects, like Sam Donald Donald.
• 52:05
  [UNKNOWN]: They go in there.
• 52:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Sam Donald, Daniel Jones and Baker made a few are only happening because teams brought into that all or nothing, mindset.
• 52:15
  [UNKNOWN]: The Panthers to their credit haven't
• 52:24
  [UNKNOWN]: He said, despite all that, Albert Brewer believes it's all or nothing for young in 2026.
• 52:30
  [UNKNOWN]: He's playing for an extension.
• 52:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And if he does, it reads that ridiculously high standard that he has never reached before, Brewer for his wife.
• 52:40
  [UNKNOWN]: What did he qualify?
• 52:42
  [UNKNOWN]: What did he qualify as the standard was just being got 30 plus million dollar quarterback?
• 52:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, uh, that can be 3500 yards, uh, 25 touchdowns.
• 52:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that does not mean that he has to go out and be the best quarterback in the league.
• 53:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He's got to be top 20.
• 53:04
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is the part that really pissed me off.
• 53:07
  [UNKNOWN]: He said it's highly unlikely that that is the case.
• 53:11
  [UNKNOWN]: That puts way too much strain on a quarterback to be something he isn't.
• 53:16
  [UNKNOWN]: That makes it so that young has to jump into a tier of quarterbacks.
• 53:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you can read your mind.
• 53:22
  [UNKNOWN]: that includes some more Jackson, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and Matthew Stafford.
• 53:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Why isn't there a middle ground?
• 53:32
  [UNKNOWN]: It's true that teams are always in search of a caliber of that caliber of quarterback, but those obviously don't come around all that often.
• 53:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Why can't the Panthers extend them for 35 million and be happy with the savings so they can give
• 53:50
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the dumbest shit in the world to me to tell you down.
• 53:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the dumbest shit in the world.
• 53:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you like to go first?
• 53:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you like me to explain more?
• 54:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think I could read your mind on this.
• 54:02
  [UNKNOWN]: It is that the idea is that if you're not willing to pay.
• 54:07
  [UNKNOWN]: First, he said 35 billion.
• 54:09
  [UNKNOWN]: And then the Brear, what bring back the Brear number?
• 54:12
  [UNKNOWN]: 30 plus.
• 54:15
  [UNKNOWN]: He said, if you don't, doesn't look like the kind of guy a team would invest a deal at more than 50 million for you.
• 54:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, for you.
• 54:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 54:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 54:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I can see what I now.
• 54:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say is this.
• 54:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that what Brear is saying is that if he's not a guy that you believe is the essential and just going to be a driver of success,
• 54:38
  [UNKNOWN]: then you are going to be looking for a quarterback.
• 54:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I do believe that the author of this who is, by the way, his name is Zach Roberts.
• 54:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's right that is that if he's not a $50 million quarterback, I think that price young is, um,
• 54:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's going to whatever he's going to do is I hope that we don't pay half to pay him $50 million.
• 55:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that could extend him for, you know, you're, what he's talking about this 35 number is like, oh, we might get like maybe we give him a three year deal and see how we can start building for somewhere else.
• 55:17
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think where your mind is this, Cody, is that if you're not certain by the end of this,
• 55:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're you're searching your searching for a quarterback, but I do To his credit what I would say the author's credit is that if he might he might not be Frick in Brett far or Matt Stafford, but that does it mean That he's not worth 35 million in this world I don't think he would have to pay him that much to be honest.
• 55:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I think if if he's not worth the big deal Cody I think you could get him on a
• 55:56
  [UNKNOWN]: to say that it's not a Sam Darnl friendly deal.
• 55:58
  [UNKNOWN]: My final point about this and turn it back over to you.
• 56:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Is I don't love the Sam Darnal Baker Mayfield in?
• 56:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, is there one other person on that list that they use?
• 56:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Examples, because I don't think that they could be who they are now with the team that they were drafted because the expectations, the pressure, the surrounding things.
• 56:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Sam Darnal was able to become Sam what have a Sam Darnal season or Baker Mayfield
• 56:32
  [UNKNOWN]: He wasn't with the jets, or he wasn't with the Browns anymore, and it didn't have this idea of, we drafted you number four, you got to be the best thing ever.
• 56:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think that gave them a freedom of growth that could be, that was good for them in a sense, that some of them have capitalized on it, many players haven't.
• 56:54
  [UNKNOWN]: My thing is this and I feel like sometimes I'm going crazy, like we traded up to the number one overall pick.
• 57:05
  [UNKNOWN]: to draft Bryce Dome.
• 57:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me see, all of those players, minus Joe Barrow and Matthew Stappard on those players that he listed, were not even number one overall picks.
• 57:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Why is that beyond Bryce Dome?
• 57:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Why is that too much of a demand for Bryce Dome to be considered amongst the very best in digging a fell?
• 57:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And also what things to buy?
• 57:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, what makes somebody right?
• 57:34
  [UNKNOWN]: And we absolutely couldn't put things to make a mistake.
• 57:37
  [UNKNOWN]: If we did that, we did that.
• 57:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Why would you even, why are you paying someone?
• 57:43
  [UNKNOWN]: And again, you're also assuming that Bryce is going to take a team-friendly deal.
• 57:48
  [UNKNOWN]: That's under that assumption.
• 57:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But number two, if Bryce doesn't resemble,
• 57:54
  [UNKNOWN]: the likes of a Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or the more Jackson, if he doesn't look like he is in that level of special, then why would you pay him?
• 58:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Because let's be free.
• 58:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm saying one of the chances that he even plays to the level of a Sam Darnall, Dander Jones with the colds, or Baker may feel with the bucks, like even still, but okay, but even still, those are big numbers that those guys were able to put up.
• 58:33
  [UNKNOWN]: So in my opinion, like our Mayfield's worth, what he is asking for, I would pay him that.
• 58:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Go ahead, finish your point then.
• 58:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, but I've said this before.
• 58:45
  [UNKNOWN]: That comes a certain point that pay in the player is probably easier than replacing the player.
• 58:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 58:52
  [UNKNOWN]: But if you have a middling quarterback,
• 58:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Then, you know, I don't even see why you would be trying to either one, you picked up the 50 options.
• 59:04
  [UNKNOWN]: So why are you not trying to put some competition or wild him to push him in that final year?
• 59:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And then why are you selling yourself short when your number one overall pick has done nothing but not live up to the expectation?
• 59:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is maybe I'm going to go back out of the list, if my quarterback is not on the same level of the very best in the NFL, then I want to, I want to move on and try and find some other ways.
• 59:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think, by the way, I think Sam Darnall is amongst the very best in the NFL.
• 59:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I do think his name should be among that list of those other guys mentioned.
• 59:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I do.
• 59:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to live in this middle ground hell hole that we've been living in.
• 59:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Fucking stumping the keep and pay some don't know when he was I wanted to keep him.
• 59:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, you want to keep on on a discount.
• 59:59
  [UNKNOWN]: CK when it comes to this is I can see.
• 1:00:01
  [UNKNOWN]: When you couldn't pay him the bad biggest money in the NFL.
• 1:00:04
  [UNKNOWN]: No, but that does kept him falling a reasonable deal.
• 1:00:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I think there's a word but Steve will us.
• 1:00:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I think there's a world where Bryce Young can have a better season than he had this year.
• 1:00:17
  [UNKNOWN]: but not so great of a season where the Carolina Panthers say, look, we want to continue to move forward with you, but we're not going to pay you blockbuster fucking money.
• 1:00:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And to be honest, I think that Tampa Bay is going to should take this course with Baker is like, we want to continue with you.
• 1:00:39
  [UNKNOWN]: We want to pay you fair and good money, but we don't want to pay you detrimental money.
• 1:00:46
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think there is a world where Bryce could be progressive enough to earn a three year deal to where it is 35 million dollars a year.
• 1:00:59
  [UNKNOWN]: and it doesn't set the team back doesn't, but also to Cody's credit, I don't think that that should put Carolina completely out of the running of thinking about finding a pathway past or beyond Bryce Yogi either.
• 1:01:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  [UNKNOWN]: CK, your thoughts.
• 1:01:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I actually, you know, what, is it where we're getting this conversation?
• 1:01:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess more I'm leaning to the writer.
• 1:01:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I, I understand where Cody's coming from because the idea that that they find it appalling that you would.
• 1:01:35
  [UNKNOWN]: that that somebody would expect Bryce Young to be playing at a high level before you give an extension.
• 1:01:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just naive, right?
• 1:01:42
  [UNKNOWN]: In the world right now, when you look at how many franchise Italy quarterbacks are in the league currently, in the fact that there are going to be players that come into the league that are going to be better than Bryce at some point.
• 1:01:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I think that it's fair to say that he does have a moment like this has to be a year where he is able to perform at a, you know, in my opinion, if you're wanting to extend it, I think you need to talk about him performing in a top 12, you know, in a top 12 capacity.
• 1:02:12
  [UNKNOWN]: right and and the hard part is I if I named the top 12 quarter vaccine, the league, I don't think there's a lot of people that are putting bright shining ahead of any of them, but you know, without there being some crazy crazy, you know, with a ascension that he has this year, which you know, again, historically speaking, it's not impossible because that's what he's done every year.
• 1:02:35
  [UNKNOWN]: He's done better and better and better.
• 1:02:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, what I mean is he's been in league three years and better and better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better, better
• 1:03:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Because if he comes, I don't know if you guys remember, I know you do, but I just want you to keep this in mind.
• 1:03:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I had we done things correctly after we did this.
• 1:03:19
  [UNKNOWN]: This would have been considered the move of the generation.
• 1:03:22
  [UNKNOWN]: And that is, we signed Cam Newton to his extension.
• 1:03:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Mark had so great before he was an MVP.
• 1:03:31
  [UNKNOWN]: If he, yeah, if he would have played and had like three more seasons and the Panthers didn't get him another bit deal, you would have been like, oh, man, we had him on such a fucking discount.
• 1:03:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  [UNKNOWN]: We did have him on a discount.
• 1:03:43
  [UNKNOWN]: So much a massive discount.
• 1:03:46
  [UNKNOWN]: And it was Bryson Kim at this point in their careers, we're nowhere in the same.
• 1:03:51
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, but my point of that is saying that
• 1:03:56
  [UNKNOWN]: What we can also argue that Kim Newton had a great rookie year, not so great sophomore year, right, not horrible, but not fantastic.
• 1:04:07
  [UNKNOWN]: He took a massive step backwards compared to his rookie year, and so he was very much a streaky player in the NFL.
• 1:04:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Like he was, he was logically, you know, a by and large, he was considered probably just like we've never had a back-to-back winning season.
• 1:04:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I would argue that Cam Newton ever had a back-to-back fantastic season, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:31
  [UNKNOWN]: So it was always, even 2015, 2016.
• 1:04:34
  [UNKNOWN]: wasn't this great a season in the world for Cam Newton, 2017 fantastic season, right?
• 1:04:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I just I just feel like the point he was every of was Cam Newton an odd year quarterback
• 1:04:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the Panthers were on year 15, 15, 17.
• 1:04:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they were not even years.
• 1:04:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  [UNKNOWN]: My thing is this, I agree with pickle.
• 1:05:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to high paid backup.
• 1:05:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
• 1:05:03
  [UNKNOWN]: We've given up too much time to give them.
• 1:05:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We've given up too much to go and get him at the number one overall pick.
• 1:05:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And then we've given him a bunch of time to prove that he is worth all day.
• 1:05:17
  [UNKNOWN]: 20 million to a fucking anti-don't neither I think this is if he's and it don't Tony do you really want him if he's and it don't do you really want him to be our franchise if you don't know what I'm talking about is the alternative is that you can either have a quarterback that you hope is ascending and becoming or a guy that's just
• 1:05:41
  [UNKNOWN]: me andering in the league.
• 1:05:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you want to pay Gino's 30.
• 1:05:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think here.
• 1:05:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't you guys are forgetting largely how good Andy Dalton had been in his career.
• 1:05:58
  [UNKNOWN]: He you understand that he has.
• 1:06:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but we were waiting for that.
• 1:06:02
  [UNKNOWN]: We were way past that.
• 1:06:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about Andy don't now.
• 1:06:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about Andy don't now because that's who you're going out and get in C. K. I'm not talking about Andy don't of his Andy don't time.
• 1:06:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about his legitimately if the Panthers.
• 1:06:17
  [UNKNOWN]: are in the market for quarterback after this season.
• 1:06:21
  [UNKNOWN]: They're either investing in a quarterback in the draft that has a lot of risk.
• 1:06:26
  [UNKNOWN]: That's going to take time that we're going to go through the same fucking conversation.
• 1:06:30
  [UNKNOWN]: They're either going to pay somebody who is some elite player,
• 1:06:34
  [UNKNOWN]: that they can't afford or they're going to get some mediocre mug kind of hopeful patchwork player that they might be paying a little bit more.
• 1:06:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I just wanted to say this is my only opinion about this.
• 1:06:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I can see like CK's wisdom or about like how we got Cam early being early to a stock rather than catching it and investing it when it's hot.
• 1:07:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think this is about the money, but the years on the contract.
• 1:07:07
  [UNKNOWN]: So I would not be upset with the Carolina Panthers if they said, you know what, Bryce, we believe in you.
• 1:07:15
  [UNKNOWN]: This, but we're not going to give you a five year, 200.
• 1:07:19
  [UNKNOWN]: What if we give you a three year, 120 million dollar deal?
• 1:07:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  [UNKNOWN]: 85 million dollars guaranteed.
• 1:07:28
  [UNKNOWN]: You're getting your 30, a 30, 30, you're going to get your 30 million dollars a year.
• 1:07:34
  [UNKNOWN]: And guess what?
• 1:07:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And two years when you're a superstar, you get the fucking muscle loss.
• 1:07:41
  [UNKNOWN]: for the big money.
• 1:07:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I just wanted to be the super star.
• 1:07:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm saying, but I don't think you I want my quarterback to be a super star.
• 1:07:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the problem with the Trevor Lawrence deal is five years.
• 1:07:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's astronomical.
• 1:08:00
  [UNKNOWN]: And what the Trevor Lawrence deal is, is this, is that he's good.
• 1:08:04
  [UNKNOWN]: He's not great.
• 1:08:05
  [UNKNOWN]: we think you're good, we believe in you, but you really haven't been the fucking store store store, but you're handcuffing yourself for too much time.
• 1:08:15
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's not about how much per year, but how many years and if the Panthers could get ahead of this and just say, look, let's just
• 1:08:32
  [UNKNOWN]: with some wiggle room, you know, like where we could get a little bit out of it and you're too.
• 1:08:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And what we know, if you're doing well, where we're negotiating then, I think it's years not dollars that I'm, if they come out and say this is that they pay Bryce Young this amount of money.
• 1:08:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not concerned about the money.
• 1:08:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to see how many years it is because if you pre-commit to five years,
• 1:08:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:08:57
  [UNKNOWN]: We haven't seen that yet.
• 1:08:58
  [UNKNOWN]: And the last thing about this, I don't want to be in a two attack of my lowest situation.
• 1:09:03
  [UNKNOWN]: So when I don't want to have happened, let's say Bryce has an incredible this year and incredible year this year and then we drop the bag on him and then he refers to back to the main and then now the team is just left with all of that money.
• 1:09:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's likely years not dollars, but you know what I'm saying after this year.
• 1:09:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I want I want the next two years of bless showing me that he is on the only got one year only have one year to make a decision right under the fifth year option.
• 1:09:34
  [UNKNOWN]: But then you have a you're running into a lot of things no, I'm saying this.
• 1:09:39
  [UNKNOWN]: He's going to play in 226 and the fifth year is 227 but he's but here's the problem with that right if if we let that happen we lose a tremendous amount of our negotiating power because then all of a sudden he is considered a free agent.
• 1:09:58
  [UNKNOWN]: now we have to make a decision on a franchise tag because we're decided on whether we want to sign him or not and now you're dealing with a potential holdout and then you're going into an offseason not sure if your quarterback's going to be willing to pay you're asking for a lot of uncertainty when right now here's my argument.
• 1:10:15
  [UNKNOWN]: The argument is, at least for my perspective, on what this is saying in this article, is you sign him now to the 35, you know, to a three year extension beyond he keep his fourth year his fifth year with the way it is the same way we did the Christian McAfrey and then extend him three more years on top of that for 35.
• 1:10:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to take a 35 year.
• 1:10:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I do believe that I'm in the echelon over the Marjax and Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, and the like that you're not saying that.
• 1:10:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that I understand Cody's wisdom with both of you guys here is either we give you a friendly extension to just say we believe in you or I'm with Cody is like all right let's just play it out.
• 1:11:08
  [UNKNOWN]: And if you're the fucking throwing in for 4,500 yards and 28 touchdowns and this and that two years from now, we're going to pay, we're going to have to either pay you or let someone else pay you, but you have a probability.
• 1:11:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I would probably let them play it out right now.
• 1:11:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would too.
• 1:11:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying, but to say that you're not accepting the risk by doing that would be foolish.
• 1:11:31
  [UNKNOWN]: We have to all go into this.
• 1:11:33
  [UNKNOWN]: So accepting that there is a chance that this puts us in a much worse situation in three years than it does right now.
• 1:11:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that in the fifth year option, those CK has already given him grace.
• 1:11:49
  [UNKNOWN]: it's given him grace.
• 1:11:50
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not saying we have belief.
• 1:11:52
  [UNKNOWN]: We're not killing you.
• 1:11:54
  [UNKNOWN]: We're not killing the bat.
• 1:11:55
  [UNKNOWN]: We're not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
• 1:11:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I actually, you know what?
• 1:11:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I say this is the Panthers.
• 1:12:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Let Bryce prove to us.
• 1:12:04
  [UNKNOWN]: He's a top 10 quarterback before.
• 1:12:07
  [UNKNOWN]: We do more.
• 1:12:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm on my, you know, I don't know.
• 1:12:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like every, I could this story.
• 1:12:12
  [UNKNOWN]: You're like a pendulum.
• 1:12:13
  [UNKNOWN]: You're back and forth.
• 1:12:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if there's a right answer right now.
• 1:12:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And the problem is, it's like it just depends upon your, your taste for risk, right?
• 1:12:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I just don't want to pay mediocre.
• 1:12:28
  [UNKNOWN]: That's just fundamentally what I don't want to do.
• 1:12:33
  [UNKNOWN]: what happened this conversation a year early.
• 1:12:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we're having this conversation a year early.
• 1:12:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, listen, after after 2000 to 26, this is going to be the biggest question in Panthers fandom or it's not even going to be a question.
• 1:12:48
  [UNKNOWN]: We're just going to do unanimously be looking to move on.
• 1:12:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I think there could be a world to where what CK's point is very valid is where Bryce has a good battery year, but not a great year, where we then say,
• 1:13:08
  [UNKNOWN]: just push you on the fifth year option and get the most juice from the squeeze.
• 1:13:14
  [UNKNOWN]: And see what happens.
• 1:13:16
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's after this season, CK, we might be talking about which you're talking about as the dollar cost average is saying look is you didn't have the greatest, you know, you're not all the sudden this world beat or quarterback, but you have progress.
• 1:13:31
  [UNKNOWN]: We believe our future is better with you.
• 1:13:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And we want to go ahead and get an extension that is
• 1:13:37
  [UNKNOWN]: uh, fair to you and not detrimental to the team.
• 1:13:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we're having this conversation about 10 months too early.
• 1:13:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think we are, but to Cody's point, I also worry that that what will happen is he will come out and have a year exactly like to a dead that earned him a ridiculous contract.
• 1:14:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you really believe that?
• 1:14:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's possible to was it to was a mo do you think he's going to be I mean throwing 300 yards a game I was in what did to do before that great year that he had with with Tyre Kill.
• 1:14:21
  [UNKNOWN]: But he had Ty Rieke, he had an offense.
• 1:14:24
  [UNKNOWN]: There was a lot of people.
• 1:14:25
  [UNKNOWN]: He had a fun to do if it was.
• 1:14:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't feel like our offense is built, or any of our team is not a built to just move.
• 1:14:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we're moving incrementally.
• 1:14:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't all this sudden, I think we'll leave that next year that we're going to have a top.
• 1:14:41
  [UNKNOWN]: five offense and top five.
• 1:14:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we're going to be only significantly better on both or notably better on both.
• 1:14:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think all the summer going to come away and be like, oh, this fuck.
• 1:14:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:14:51
  [UNKNOWN]: The panther's not blow everybody away.
• 1:14:54
  [UNKNOWN]: My argument is that two will went from nobody cared about him.
• 1:15:00
  [UNKNOWN]: who they added Tyre Kill that Jalen Waddled, then decided to turn it up a bit that year.
• 1:15:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it was was a chain that went down there as well.
• 1:15:10
  [UNKNOWN]: He was nobody then.
• 1:15:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Guess who we have coming back this year.
• 1:15:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Jonathan Rose.
• 1:15:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm okay.
• 1:15:15
  [UNKNOWN]: to say, to argue, and then we have, you know, Brazil, we have T-Mac, you know, to say we don't have the potential for that kind of a jump in this off season, especially now that we're passing the reins to a different offensive coordinator who may be able to be the the key that unlocks you offense, do I put a lot of stock into that, no.
• 1:15:35
  [UNKNOWN]: But I'm just saying that that's the possibility that we are running into and I do worry from Cody's perspective that we will then have to bite, bite, take a bite of the apple, which is meaning that we're going to be paying Bryce Young for an crazy extension more than anybody else has ever gotten because he's going to be the next quarterback paid essentially.
• 1:15:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe CJ Strahd might rival him.
• 1:15:57
  [UNKNOWN]: But
• 1:15:58
  [UNKNOWN]: then you're been the next year when we don't have that offensive coordinator because it's a head coach all of a sudden, Bryce Young reverts back to, you know, sophomore year, Bryce Young.
• 1:16:08
  [UNKNOWN]: So look, the last thing I'll say on this and then Tony, I wonder if you could pull up Anthony's call.
• 1:16:13
  [UNKNOWN]: His was the last one, and he wants to talk about this.
• 1:16:16
  [UNKNOWN]: But, okay, I understand what you're saying.
• 1:16:20
  [UNKNOWN]: And obviously, we would much rather be paying 35 million, rather than 50 plus million, a year, of course.
• 1:16:27
  [UNKNOWN]: What I'm saying is I would want to see a gameplay that is indicative of that level of contract because then I wouldn't mind paying it.
• 1:16:37
  [UNKNOWN]: like then I understand that at least I see that kind of level of play from him.
• 1:16:44
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think what Albert Breer was saying and his original quote is that if you don't see that kind of player in Bryce Don and if you don't see that in his future, is it really even worth it to extend an extended man all?
• 1:16:58
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a more than fair question.
• 1:17:01
  [UNKNOWN]: That's all I'm saying.
• 1:17:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we are just having the conversation to hear too early.
• 1:17:06
  [UNKNOWN]: It's still a good conversation.
• 1:17:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that, no, I think it is that thanks to case points valid.
• 1:17:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I think everybody's points valid.
• 1:17:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we need to be talking about this before.
• 1:17:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is a question about what we have going into the fifth year option.
• 1:17:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Now we can do the extremes of somebody had a great, great season.
• 1:17:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, if Bryce comes out and blows it out of the water this year, then this blows up everything.
• 1:17:33
  [UNKNOWN]: better.
• 1:17:34
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think it'll be incrementally.
• 1:17:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's going to be like all of a sudden.
• 1:17:38
  [UNKNOWN]: He's I don't know.
• 1:17:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'm just being a hater.
• 1:17:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go to you said Anthony wants to get in on this and now they updated the app.
• 1:17:49
  [UNKNOWN]: So I have to look at my phone all done or else my phone goes asleep.
• 1:17:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go to Anthony and Charlotte.
• 1:17:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yo, yo, yo, yo, what's going on in secret?
• 1:17:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's been a minute into anti from Charlotte, man.
• 1:18:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Obviously I'm watching right now.
• 1:18:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But I kind of want to just call in real quick, kind of give my thoughts to this conversation.
• 1:18:10
  [UNKNOWN]: So I hear what everyone's saying.
• 1:18:14
  [UNKNOWN]: And the way I see it, right?
• 1:18:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I get both sides.
• 1:18:19
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, I get what CK's saying about team early because then that dollar amount is a lot lower
• 1:18:27
  [UNKNOWN]: which again like in the chat people were saying like oh Sam's contract was wasn't you know wasn't cheap right he got paid like 33 million year obviously paying anyone 30 million dollars a year is a lot of money but
• 1:18:43
  [UNKNOWN]: look at where the market's heading right like sand on over thirty three million dollars a year is a bargain compared to the market's market's market's market's for me it's like I get with fans are a lot of fans want to pay rise early because of the discount quote unquote we could get a man but to me I don't think it's worth it and I think that's why Dan is waiting because even if you pay him at such a great discount to wear
• 1:19:06
  [UNKNOWN]: we could bring in more players like basically all our key pieces you know are on rookie contracts or they're already paid right now but it's like that's still a risk because if Bryce claims out next year then you got a essentially you got him on the books for three to four more years even if it's at a cheaper price tag then what the market is going towards because pretty soon he's quarterback they're going to be making like seventy million dollars
• 1:19:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think what Dan is really, like, banking this on is like, hey, we pay our guys.
• 1:19:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, if you go out there, you ball out, you have a great season, you make a approval.
• 1:19:47
  [UNKNOWN]: We win like 10-11 games, we get to the division around, like, if you're very efficient this year, your QBRs get, like, all, all that, like, everything points to him on a very high upward trajectory.
• 1:19:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Then I think he would naturally be okay with paying him.
• 1:20:02
  [UNKNOWN]: 50 million dollars plus a year because if the two years in a row we make the playoffs we have all the continuity we have other pieces I just think now he doesn't have
• 1:20:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think Bryce has a say for even a new extension necessarily, even if it's at a relatively cheaper dollar amount than what the market's dictating.
• 1:20:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I just don't think Dan's willing to make that risk, and quite frankly, I'm not either, because again, you have Bryce on the books for this year and next year to air indeed.
• 1:20:31
  [UNKNOWN]: So even if he flings out and let's say you don't pay him this year, well, you still have an option, an option that has proven that we can get to the playoffs with.
• 1:20:41
  [UNKNOWN]: and I think Dan is not going to move off of race unless a better option presents itself.
• 1:20:45
  [UNKNOWN]: So that's all I wanted to say, Anthony, from Charlotte, give me your thoughts, keep motherfuckers.
• 1:20:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Great call Anthony, and I think I'm with you is this is you want to try to catch the CK discount, the Kim Dutton discount, but I think it's after this season, not before.
• 1:21:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think you might find yourself locked into too many years, I think, unless and unless price yield comes out and has just this insane season, CK, where he throws for 4,800 yards and this and that.
• 1:21:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're kind of having the same conversation.
• 1:21:23
  [UNKNOWN]: If he throws 3500 yards, 20 touchdowns,
• 1:21:28
  [UNKNOWN]: 10 interceptions.
• 1:21:30
  [UNKNOWN]: People are still, the codies of the world are still going to be like, is he number one?
• 1:21:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Is he ever getting changed or is he this?
• 1:21:38
  [UNKNOWN]: And so you're not going to overpay him completely, but you could have that anomaly season.
• 1:21:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think CKD bet.
• 1:21:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it's financially wise to bet big money on the fear of an anomaly season though.
• 1:21:57
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, I don't think you bet on the fear of the anomaly season, but I think when you look at, you know, what I was looking at here, uh, ringing.
• 1:22:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I was, uh, I did do what I did want to say this about the two situation.
• 1:22:16
  [UNKNOWN]: is there were some internal politics too, or surrounding that ended up favoring to financially, because the defense of coordinator for the Vikings, who is great, like there was this contingent where the coaches didn't like the player, the front office light the player,
• 1:22:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:22:41
  [UNKNOWN]: The coach is then they change coaches like so I think to almost slightly benefited from that internal office politics situation.
• 1:22:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:22:52
  [UNKNOWN]: That's on him.
• 1:22:54
  [UNKNOWN]: And then he overcame it.
• 1:22:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So I don't think it was just simply he had a great year.
• 1:23:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it was, oh, well, they prevented him from having great years.
• 1:23:12
  [UNKNOWN]: touch base on is when I look at, so if you paid him $35 million a year, he's the 15th highest rate paid quarterback in the league.
• 1:23:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:23:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:23:26
  [UNKNOWN]: So, and when I read off the names of the people that are paid more than him, you don't pay $1,000 a million dollars.
• 1:23:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's
• 1:23:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:23:39
  [UNKNOWN]: So right now, the people making more than 35 million or Daniel Jones.
• 1:23:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Deshawn Watson, Jayla Hurts are him out of there.
• 1:23:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:23:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Jalen Hertz Super Bowl champion Lamar Jackson MVP Justin Herbert.
• 1:23:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, Cody, I go on this radio spot.
• 1:24:01
  [UNKNOWN]: They don't like just an harbor at all.
• 1:24:03
  [UNKNOWN]: They don't dare ridiculous.
• 1:24:04
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't dare ridiculous.
• 1:24:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Don't make it.
• 1:24:09
  [UNKNOWN]: He's he's just an harbor is the modern day.
• 1:24:13
  [UNKNOWN]: He's the modern day.
• 1:24:14
  [UNKNOWN]: He's the modern day Matthew Stafford.
• 1:24:17
  [UNKNOWN]: because whatever you think about it.
• 1:24:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but whatever Matthew Stafford was on the lines.
• 1:24:26
  [UNKNOWN]: And then to go through the Rams, that would be what would happen.
• 1:24:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a good example because I didn't know what to say because they said, what has he done?
• 1:24:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was like, well, I continue to, uh, okay.
• 1:24:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yep, it's Justin Herbert, Brock Pernie, Jared Golf, Matthew Stafford,
• 1:24:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Trevor Lawrence, Jordan love, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, DAC press god and Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:24:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:24:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe he deserves to be paid more than any of those guys.
• 1:24:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree, but those are the people that are paying more.
• 1:25:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Now that it's important that you understand, the people paid more than 35 million, start at 44 million a year.
• 1:25:05
  [UNKNOWN]: So my family, all of them are so much more accomplished, arguably set for Jordan.
• 1:25:11
  [UNKNOWN]: But listen to the next part.
• 1:25:16
  [UNKNOWN]: The people that are making less than 35 million are Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Malik Willis,
• 1:25:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Pam Ward, this is an order by the way.
• 1:25:32
  [UNKNOWN]: So for an endowment, Mandy is a man does it is making more than Cam Ward.
• 1:25:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's a Kirk cousins, Justin Fields, Caleb Williams, and then Bryce Young.
• 1:25:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that let's just stand pat with Bryce for one more year.
• 1:25:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
• 1:25:50
  [UNKNOWN]: One more year.
• 1:25:50
  [UNKNOWN]: And then let's have this conversation.
• 1:25:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe he will fleece us for a couple, you know, ten or twenty million dollars if he has an exceptional season ticket.
• 1:26:00
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think.
• 1:26:03
  [UNKNOWN]: And if you're saying extending one year, I think three, I think extending him three years beyond his rookie year is the fifth year option and they don't have you got to count this year and I don't think the Panthers need the handcuff themselves to rise beyond 2020 or in 2627.
• 1:26:31
  [UNKNOWN]: You can do how we've leveraged some of the contracts we've just paid this past in this off season all last two year or two is actually You know avoidable year with no dead cap.
• 1:26:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to sit one year and then let's have this conversation.
• 1:26:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's fair It's fair much now.
• 1:26:49
  [UNKNOWN]: We're not 12 also, you know 10 months from now.
• 1:26:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a fair point.
• 1:26:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a fair point but I also will keep in mind
• 1:26:59
  [UNKNOWN]: that we're going to be back here having this conversation with potentially, the, the, it's not his fit.
• 1:27:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
• 1:27:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Stacked against us.
• 1:27:06
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not his fit.
• 1:27:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I believe we negotiated camps, we'd negotiate it.
• 1:27:12
  [UNKNOWN]: We'd negotiate it.
• 1:27:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we're, we're 10 to his fifth year.
• 1:27:15
  [UNKNOWN]: No, we can negotiate.
• 1:27:16
  [UNKNOWN]: You want to do his fourth year.
• 1:27:18
  [UNKNOWN]: He came in a league in 11.
• 1:27:19
  [UNKNOWN]: 12.
• 1:27:20
  [UNKNOWN]: That, this
• 1:27:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I guess it was, it is going to do a fifth year.
• 1:27:31
  [UNKNOWN]: because they negotiated right before the 15th.
• 1:27:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't look, I don't look, I'm rooting for Bryce.
• 1:27:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I think he's going to get better.
• 1:27:39
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think it's anywhere close to what we thought about Caminoon.
• 1:27:44
  [UNKNOWN]: No, not not even.
• 1:27:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think it would be.
• 1:27:47
  [UNKNOWN]: And like, all right, so where do we get next, Cody?
• 1:27:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's keep going.
• 1:27:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's finish this.
• 1:27:52
  [UNKNOWN]: We still got a lot to go, sadly.
• 1:27:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Not sad.
• 1:27:56
  [UNKNOWN]: That's messed up.
• 1:27:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Panthers, planted receiver room, could face painful summer sacrifice.
• 1:28:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And we're still in touch on this a little bit last week, but we can get you the timing on it too.
• 1:28:11
  [UNKNOWN]: The Carolina Panthers now have a surplus in the wide receiver room.
• 1:28:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Not everyone's going to make it and the team inside are believes.
• 1:28:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And any team inside are believes.
• 1:28:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Jimmy Horn Jr. could potentially be the odd man out with push comes to shove.
• 1:28:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Horn arrived as a six-round pick last year.
• 1:28:27
  [UNKNOWN]: He flashed brief moments of promise, but concentration issues.
• 1:28:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Prevented the Panthers from getting on with the choice.
• 1:28:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And the issues.
• 1:28:34
  [UNKNOWN]: What does that mean?
• 1:28:35
  [UNKNOWN]: you guys you don't don't forget that he was on the drop of the the he also made one of fucking most incredible four down catches in and think the first ram's game for the okay continue he had some drops now i'm sorry i don't like the content ratio issues fucked as
• 1:28:59
  [UNKNOWN]: There are some fucking really bad drops.
• 1:29:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:29:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Carolina Panthers inside of Pursa, Jimmy R.1, Jr. Future End Out, Dumpersion of the Athletic Agreed, while the insider and knowledge that Horde didn't have a bad early off season program, he can still fall a bit to the numbers game, but that's an exceptional training camp, and preseason slate.
• 1:29:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Jimmy Horn last year was six round pick.
• 1:29:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Didn't have a bad spring but just placed on the depth chart.
• 1:29:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Has become a little tangerous with the additions of Chris Brasal.
• 1:29:29
  [UNKNOWN]: John Metzley and the return of veteran David Moore.
• 1:29:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And look, can I just say this?
• 1:29:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm with Harvey London here.
• 1:29:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm done with David Moore, man.
• 1:29:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Like give some of the other guys a shot.
• 1:29:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, they like having the vet, they like having him as a leader to these young, to these younger players.
• 1:29:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Harvey London says horn was clutch at several moments last year.
• 1:29:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I remember that.
• 1:30:00
  [UNKNOWN]: He made a fourth down catch that extended us to a victory.
• 1:30:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it was the first round.
• 1:30:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Brands game.
• 1:30:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I can't remember, but I remember it was just so fucking huge and we celebrated and celebrated.
• 1:30:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Next up, D. Young says horn dropped the last pass in the playoff game.
• 1:30:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe, look, he may have dropped the last part in the playoff game, but that does it matter.
• 1:30:25
  [UNKNOWN]: The last pass I remember was a most incredible pass from Matthew Stafford to that tight end.
• 1:30:35
  [UNKNOWN]: That was the most miraculous catch.
• 1:30:37
  [UNKNOWN]: This team, I look.
• 1:30:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I understand that Jimmy Horn Jr. has a body frame that does not match the NFL like this and like you get like he get he he's going to get no
• 1:30:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, Grace, when it comes to special teams this and that, but I don't think at any moment that Jimmy Horn Jr.
• 1:31:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't, I'm not with the club that's like, oh, we've got a store.
• 1:31:08
  [UNKNOWN]: He is not a demere bird to me by any means.
• 1:31:12
  [UNKNOWN]: But he is good.
• 1:31:14
  [UNKNOWN]: He is good and he is.
• 1:31:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I'm not shit on him and I think what happened to Trashin lately content Trashin is he's fucked that
• 1:31:26
  [UNKNOWN]: fuck you did.
• 1:31:28
  [UNKNOWN]: If you're dropping passes in a playoff game, that's the last thing that people remember about you.
• 1:31:35
  [UNKNOWN]: You didn't come up in the moment that we needed to do the most.
• 1:31:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to.
• 1:31:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to see it.
• 1:31:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to see down distance and I do not remember him being like, Oh, Jimmy Jimmy Horn Jr. fucking lost this game for us.
• 1:31:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I do not remember that moment.
• 1:31:51
  [UNKNOWN]: It was the last, it was the fourth down throw with us having one opportunity to try to score to after that touchdown pass you're talking about.
• 1:31:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We got one last opportunity and it was the fourth down throw all to the 40 to get a 70 yard fail.
• 1:32:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Go.
• 1:32:06
  [UNKNOWN]: No, we had time at that point in time, like there was time, we were still like a minute left on the clock.
• 1:32:12
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:32:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about this for real, then.
• 1:32:21
  [UNKNOWN]: you have a team act you have brazzle you have horn you have David more you know what we're putting them in the weirdest order ever we have team act number one number two you don't put brazzle at number two you don't put a number two no poker co-craft got a good co-curse number three brazzle
• 1:32:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we still have to give it to XL.
• 1:32:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, XL.
• 1:32:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Until proven was we're keeping six.
• 1:32:51
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to keep six.
• 1:32:52
  [UNKNOWN]: So team back.
• 1:32:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Two.
• 1:32:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Coker.
• 1:32:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Three.
• 1:32:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Excel.
• 1:32:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Excel.
• 1:32:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Four.
• 1:33:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Brassal.
• 1:33:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Five.
• 1:33:05
  [UNKNOWN]: This is where you start to get questions about you're going to if you're going to have if you're going to have a five and a six you're going to have guys who are going to contribute on special themes at that right at that number.
• 1:33:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I would like to see what John Machuade does.
• 1:33:19
  [UNKNOWN]: But since he has a pass, I would like to share with Brian that we have last year.
• 1:33:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Bryson Tramane.
• 1:33:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like Bryson Tramane to be sick.
• 1:33:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I like the reason for this.
• 1:33:32
  [UNKNOWN]: The reason that horn, it might be the odd man out is what he brought to the team.
• 1:33:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It has been replaced with the new additions.
• 1:33:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And then some.
• 1:33:42
  [UNKNOWN]: because Brazzle can do has the speed.
• 1:33:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Brazzle has a bigger frame.
• 1:33:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think he comes with a little bit more pedigree than what Horn did, which is logical, given where he was drafted versus Horn.
• 1:33:55
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think unfortunately, Horn very well could be the odd man out.
• 1:33:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, could he be, you know, there's some people talking about him being a return man in a punt returner, what have you, I don't know, they haven't put him there, have they?
• 1:34:13
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think so.
• 1:34:13
  [UNKNOWN]: We're different.
• 1:34:14
  [UNKNOWN]: No, that's it.
• 1:34:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know why we didn't do that more with him.
• 1:34:18
  [UNKNOWN]: That seemed like something that would have been right up his alley.
• 1:34:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Why didn't we do that more with him?
• 1:34:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, why are you putting a strategy if he player?
• 1:34:26
  [UNKNOWN]: when you want to highlight when you watch his highlights in college like he was juking people he was getting because kind of a necessity when it comes to that return guy so if he was then yeah I mean I think that they've done themselves with the service by not putting them back there to see what he could do.
• 1:34:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah I want I want to see him on special teams and again I would like to see John
• 1:34:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I'm here's the thing is like if you keep whoever it is if you keep Matthew horns gone.
• 1:35:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right?
• 1:35:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course.
• 1:35:09
  [UNKNOWN]: So beyond
• 1:35:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see the rest of the bubble.
• 1:35:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, DJ Moore, who's on the bubble.
• 1:35:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Nice Smith and these people aren't gonna make it.
• 1:35:19
  [UNKNOWN]: DJ Moore.
• 1:35:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that, like, not DJ Moore, David Moore.
• 1:35:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I said DJ Moore, but that's another thing.
• 1:35:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, you can make the argument that David Moore, it's probably the onsite favorite to land that role.
• 1:35:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Can now this like some?
• 1:35:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Bryce is going obviously like him.
• 1:35:37
  [UNKNOWN]: He has been a meaningful contributor to this team in the past.
• 1:35:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, maybe that is David Moore's job.
• 1:35:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I would like to move on from him and get younger and more dynamic at the position, but I don't know if that's going to happen.
• 1:35:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I would like it too.
• 1:35:54
  [UNKNOWN]: And we kind of have.
• 1:35:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm a brazil, but he's more
• 1:35:59
  [UNKNOWN]: is further along.
• 1:36:01
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you want?
• 1:36:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the way to think about it is, is say, coker, and make me blame, and XL work.
• 1:36:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:36:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, like, I mean, obviously, we think that Ted Rose is going to work.
• 1:36:17
  [UNKNOWN]: We're happy that they believe in Coker, XL, kind of the wild card.
• 1:36:21
  [UNKNOWN]: But say, all three of them do what you say.
• 1:36:24
  [UNKNOWN]: These are our three receivers.
• 1:36:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Start in each week.
• 1:36:26
  [UNKNOWN]: They're going to play an important part in the offense.
• 1:36:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Who is the guy that adds to that group?
• 1:36:36
  [UNKNOWN]: the most like either through injury, through duplication, or through something different, right?
• 1:36:45
  [UNKNOWN]: So with Bryce and Tramaine, he has big size.
• 1:36:50
  [UNKNOWN]: He blocks on the perimeter.
• 1:36:55
  [UNKNOWN]: He can give them a big reliable presence, but he doesn't give you any real run after the catch ability or versatility in the slot.
• 1:37:07
  [UNKNOWN]: When it comes to Jimmy Horn Jr., he's like lightning in the bottle, he can be a firecracker in the sense, he can stretch the field, he can change a pace, you could do some reverses or you can do something like that.
• 1:37:24
  [UNKNOWN]: David Moore is, if you keep him, you're keeping him in case somebody gets hurt.
• 1:37:32
  [UNKNOWN]: You want me to try to play this clip?
• 1:37:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I found the clip of the drop.
• 1:37:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I can try to play it where it's only the catch.
• 1:37:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
• 1:37:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm being shown.
• 1:37:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Down just in time, I want to know.
• 1:37:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I thought that Jimmy Horde Jr. did.
• 1:37:45
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, I think of a lot like a Demir bird is like, these mugs don't get no time.
• 1:37:51
  [UNKNOWN]: opportunity.
• 1:37:52
  [UNKNOWN]: He made some big plays.
• 1:37:56
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the fourth, fourth, fourth and 10.
• 1:37:59
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the one on our 30 with nine seconds left.
• 1:38:03
  [UNKNOWN]: What the fuck is he that?
• 1:38:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at where he's at.
• 1:38:05
  [UNKNOWN]: You have a chance to convert.
• 1:38:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Look, so that's a bowl in the air.
• 1:38:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Hit him right in the hands.
• 1:38:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Right in the hands.
• 1:38:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at, okay, tough catch.
• 1:38:16
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a bad
• 1:38:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you got to do more than that.
• 1:38:33
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, all these excuses for Excel, this and that.
• 1:38:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And there's poor motherfuckers out there.
• 1:38:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Ballant, no, no, it's one of the most incredible.
• 1:38:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Excel was the number one overall thing.
• 1:38:45
  [UNKNOWN]: That play right there is enough to say, let's go with.
• 1:38:51
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, nobody's saying that, but what the argument would be would be that when you saw what he did last year,
• 1:38:59
  [UNKNOWN]: it's not it's not an irreplaceable piece of the puzzle.
• 1:39:03
  [UNKNOWN]: And quite honestly there isn't ability to upgrade what he did.
• 1:39:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Now that doesn't mean that he can't be good and I'm not even arguing that he is going to be the low man on the totem pole and he's out of the door.
• 1:39:15
  [UNKNOWN]: But I can also see why they wouldn't put him on that list of people on the bubble.
• 1:39:21
  [UNKNOWN]: He's on the bubble, but who should
• 1:39:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think that I think that the or David more, I don't know about Bryce and Germaine, I think David more offers more from just the leadership role in the, in the, in the, in the wide receiver room, because let's be honest, if you got rid of David more, it's team act that is.
• 1:39:45
  [UNKNOWN]: going to be the leader of that, because not going to be Excel.
• 1:39:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go point.
• 1:39:49
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a kind of worry for the it's actually almost for the room.
• 1:39:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, but then we've got to be talking about this is do we really need players being coaches?
• 1:39:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Why aren't the coaches being that, but CK is on to something we respect our peers they got.
• 1:40:07
  [UNKNOWN]: the guys that are sitting in the classroom that aren't the teachers don't you tell me when when we've had a good team when we didn't have the truly veteran players on the right the coach every position the Jericho country
• 1:40:22
  [UNKNOWN]: The Jericho country, the peanut film is the, the, the, the, the, the, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:40:39
  [UNKNOWN]: But can we also say this?
• 1:40:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a little bit just like the last conversation with Bryce.
• 1:40:43
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a little bit too premature also because a lot of bitches, if someone's going to make it above Jimmy Horn Jr., we need to see someone standing out in a big way and pre-season.
• 1:40:54
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, we're going to need to see what training camp.
• 1:40:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:40:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't believe in all that.
• 1:40:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, as of right now, I do think that if David Morris healthy, he probably is further along than Jimmy Horne.
• 1:41:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Hi, really.
• 1:41:07
  [UNKNOWN]: And that in the end of this past was, um, they believe in him.
• 1:41:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And you know what, he has played well.
• 1:41:15
  [UNKNOWN]: in his moments.
• 1:41:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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• 1:41:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is the last slide I put that we can get out here.
• 1:41:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Hell, much of the panther is spinning on defense at each position this year.
• 1:41:51
  [UNKNOWN]: The panther, so I wanted to add this to because this is interesting to me.
• 1:41:55
  [UNKNOWN]: By the way, this is Tim Weber from the panther's wire.
• 1:41:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Since the panther is spinning more on their offensive line, then any other NFL team this year can't say it was very wide margin.
• 1:42:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I know that, so yeah, it's a good thing, so you won't have a problem with that.
• 1:42:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I did all build that wall baby, but what do their investments look like on the other side of the football field?
• 1:42:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see where the Panthers are putting their resources into defense, break down by position how much they're spending, and where those told those rank.
• 1:42:28
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to start with them.
• 1:42:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Edge, where 14th in the NFL, the front-offer splurge and upgraded this group in free agency, given Jayden Phillips a massive four year 120 million dollar deal.
• 1:42:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Jayden's capit and dear one comes out to a little under 10 million.
• 1:42:46
  [UNKNOWN]: This shyer patcher joins the second.
• 1:42:50
  [UNKNOWN]: And his 10.11 million, uh, the most for his unit.
• 1:42:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, second year next Gordon has a cap number under two million.
• 1:43:00
  [UNKNOWN]: And Princess Oman Bielan is around 1.47 million.
• 1:43:04
  [UNKNOWN]: And to me, Tony, as you can, this is because you have two young guys that we just drafted that you're expected to be a meaningful part of this rotation.
• 1:43:15
  [UNKNOWN]: next quarter, frankly, you know, and Pat Jones on a reasonable deal, you know, us being 14th is predominantly, uh, at jail in the field of this being added to this team.
• 1:43:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, totally.
• 1:43:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm Cody, I forgot.
• 1:43:31
  [UNKNOWN]: We, we're almost forgot.
• 1:43:33
  [UNKNOWN]: We didn't take a couple more calls too.
• 1:43:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:43:36
  [UNKNOWN]: So we got 27 million on jail a million.
• 1:43:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Who's the, tell us the next?
• 1:43:41
  [UNKNOWN]: defensive line, we ranked 10th at $47.55 million dollars, you know, Harvey London called then too.
• 1:43:52
  [UNKNOWN]: So we'll get to him.
• 1:43:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Derek Brown, of course, represents the biggest piece inside his campaign for 2022 comes out to 10.95 million.
• 1:44:01
  [UNKNOWN]: But that number will be learned to over 30 million in 2027 and 2028, the rest of Carolina's line spending lives a bit to be desired given the lack of production from the rest of the unit.
• 1:44:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Tursion, Wharton's cap is 18.46 million.
• 1:44:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Bobby Brown, the third is 83 million.
• 1:44:24
  [UNKNOWN]: This is also why you sign Lady Hunter.
• 1:44:31
  [UNKNOWN]: at the tips of tackle position.
• 1:44:33
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:44:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's take a call from John B. Jenkins.
• 1:44:38
  [UNKNOWN]: John B, play.
• 1:44:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey guys, John B. Jenkins here calling in with your weekly alternative football league update.
• 1:44:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And as we approach training camp, I just wanted to remind you that I am here to help get you through the quote-unquote offseason,
• 1:45:00
  [UNKNOWN]: That's right, as soon as the Super Bowl concludes and the pro bowl does it thing, I'm looking forward to the arena leagues, the outdoor spring leagues, the European leagues, the Mexican leagues, the Japanese leagues, the female leagues, all them leagues, and I'm here to keep you updated, and I will until we get the training camp.
• 1:45:21
  [UNKNOWN]: But right now, I have some news of an international European
• 1:45:29
  [UNKNOWN]: on the Carolina Panthers under the International Player Program or whatever the hell it's called.
• 1:45:36
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the same program that FAO Bata, Mr. FAO Bata Bing O Bata Boom, my favorite British player that ever played on the Carolina Panthers, this is how we got him, what's to the IPF.
• 1:45:55
  [UNKNOWN]: who am I getting to that's right it is none other than notting hand Caesars linebacker mcphalo one saw of the baffa national league which is the top Premier League in great Britain uh... of british american football he is of the bnl premier league north f a actually came out of the bnl premier league south back in the day but anyway mcphalo
• 1:46:22
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll be on the team throughout the entire year being part of the IPP he does not count towards the full roster.
• 1:46:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So we've got European players or let's be honest here because of Brexit he has no longer a European player.
• 1:46:36
  [UNKNOWN]: He has a British player and he is going to be on our team this year.
• 1:46:41
  [UNKNOWN]: So somebody to root for for my league two hours that we can all all share in.
• 1:46:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, for, and I'll say it on all the other league, speaking of the European League specifically, there's the EFA and the AFLE, a lot of that, a lot of acronyms.
• 1:47:00
  [UNKNOWN]: But basically, the old ELF or European League of football split up into two different leagues this past season, and six of the teams formed the EFA, those were six of the top teams of the ELF.
• 1:47:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Some of the mid teams and then some new teams created this league called the American Football League Europe.
• 1:47:22
  [UNKNOWN]: And both have highs and both have lows as far as the coverage of the games, the website, the players that they've got, our pants as brush law are in the AFL league.
• 1:47:33
  [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, long story short, games are great.
• 1:47:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I am looking forward to when the two leagues merge again.
• 1:47:41
  [UNKNOWN]: That's about all I got for you right now.
• 1:47:43
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, thank you John B. Jenkins.
• 1:47:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Appreciate you John B.
• 1:47:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's keep this rockin' with these calls.
• 1:47:49
  [UNKNOWN]: We got two more to go.
• 1:47:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Also John B.
• 1:47:51
  [UNKNOWN]: This brother's not out doing this.
• 1:47:53
  [UNKNOWN]: She took off the A.
• 1:47:54
  [UNKNOWN]: What happened?
• 1:47:55
  [UNKNOWN]: A minute.
• 1:47:56
  [UNKNOWN]: It's been a minute since I called him.
• 1:47:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I missed you all.
• 1:47:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, man.
• 1:48:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Suckin' off that top 100, man.
• 1:48:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, they did Bryce and T-Mac wrong.
• 1:48:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And my attention.
• 1:48:08
  [UNKNOWN]: This is my opinion.
• 1:48:09
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not saying T-Mac.
• 1:48:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And Bryce should be in the top 10.
• 1:48:13
  [UNKNOWN]: No for Bryce my opinion.
• 1:48:15
  [UNKNOWN]: He should have been like in the top 30.
• 1:48:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Same thing with Like 39 in the 30.
• 1:48:22
  [UNKNOWN]: He was something like that.
• 1:48:23
  [UNKNOWN]: There's no way in hell, Bryce John should be that damn low The people don't understand He has came back So many games last season Both Atlanta games the Panthers was down The damn top boy's game.
• 1:48:39
  [UNKNOWN]: We were down
• 1:48:41
  [UNKNOWN]: the packers game.
• 1:48:43
  [UNKNOWN]: We were down.
• 1:48:44
  [UNKNOWN]: The Miami Dolphins game.
• 1:48:46
  [UNKNOWN]: We was down.
• 1:48:47
  [UNKNOWN]: That's five days right there.
• 1:48:48
  [UNKNOWN]: That we ended up winning.
• 1:48:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But I'm like, I'm all man.
• 1:48:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And the T a shoes.
• 1:48:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know any of the NFL quarterback had more combat when this season.
• 1:48:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, excuse me, last season, the Bryce Young and team actor had an awesome year, man.
• 1:49:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Awesome year.
• 1:49:04
  [UNKNOWN]: See me to tell me the boys can't be in the top 30 or the top 40.
• 1:49:07
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a low low part.
• 1:49:10
  [UNKNOWN]: And don't get me started on Derek Brown.
• 1:49:12
  [UNKNOWN]: He should've been a little bit higher, too.
• 1:49:14
  [UNKNOWN]: No, he didn't have like eight facts and nine or 11 facts and again, but come on, man.
• 1:49:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the media and the world be hating on the pancreas.
• 1:49:23
  [UNKNOWN]: That's okay, it's keep hating.
• 1:49:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Could me tell you something, when we win the Super Bowl, when we do, I shut everybody to fuck up, man.
• 1:49:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, for real, I think I would end this respect.
• 1:49:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Nobody wants to get the pancreas any recognition, but us, they fans.
• 1:49:40
  [UNKNOWN]: G, G, Kavase, one of my longest term friends on this long term caller, maybe next year, next year, but top 30 for Brighton.
• 1:50:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how that I do not that's it now.
• 1:50:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I thought that was my computer playing so much.
• 1:50:06
  [UNKNOWN]: No fucking idea That was good.
• 1:50:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:50:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, let's get it.
• 1:50:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I think maybe we'll be talking about it next year.
• 1:50:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And if we are, then we come back to CK saying, I told you we should fucking extend them of our good.
• 1:50:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Got some running fluid.
• 1:50:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Here we go in that.
• 1:50:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 1:50:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, guys, this is Harvey in some reveal.
• 1:50:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I just want to say, Harvey, are you about the good vacation last week?
• 1:50:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think everybody out there has a great
• 1:50:57
  [UNKNOWN]: But I wanted to ask you guys, I've been thinking about this some year to all season.
• 1:51:04
  [UNKNOWN]: If anybody thinks that Nick Scorton or Prince Lee might take a big step forward this year and their sophomore campaigns, like what we saw out of both of them last year.
• 1:51:17
  [UNKNOWN]: But it's always cool.
• 1:51:19
  [UNKNOWN]: But I just really hope in one of those guys will emerge.
• 1:51:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Hopefully, Jaylen's who looks at me and say, healthy and I'll produce a lot more pressure than we saw last year.
• 1:51:30
  [UNKNOWN]: just curious what you down for.
• 1:51:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, great call.
• 1:51:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I have great for it.
• 1:51:34
  [UNKNOWN]: It's great call.
• 1:51:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Happy fourth.
• 1:51:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I saw somebody put this out.
• 1:51:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Is there a lot of people, 99% of the people in the world don't believe they're going to leave July 4th with less than 10 fingers.
• 1:51:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Something like that.
• 1:51:50
  [UNKNOWN]: There's going to be a football player or a person that
• 1:51:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Don't blow your fingers off folks.
• 1:51:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Let somebody else light the crazy.
• 1:51:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, well, what was this name?
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I've been playing for the Giants.
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• 1:52:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know what I liked was the comment right after it was like Principally in my mail-in setting up burn or check out right now To the Scorton's gonna play a role in this offense.
• 1:52:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that principally has an opportunity I think it Scorton invested in them.
• 1:52:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I think he's and he's been playing well
• 1:52:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I think so too.
• 1:53:01
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think Jailin Phillips, if he is the player that we, you know, believed him to be and paid him to be, then this defense is going to be a thick we're going to begin pressure from everywhere.
• 1:53:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And I do believe that the Panthers can have a top 10 defense if Jailin Phillips can actually turn it on and and be the guy that we need him to be, we need him to be the guy that we made the richest
• 1:53:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Panthers player in our team's history.
• 1:53:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I see.
• 1:53:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how do Scorton and Oman Yellen Breakthrough when I saw an article this like who is his name?
• 1:53:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Patrick Patrick the second
• 1:53:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I think these both of these rookies are poised to have an opportunity.
• 1:54:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Scorten is prime.
• 1:54:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I want Prince Lee in the meal.
• 1:54:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I want both of these guys to step up and supersede the old men.
• 1:54:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Was it what's his name, Cody, the Patrick, John Patrick, the second, whether it's like, God, we got from the Vikings.
• 1:54:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Patrick Johnson, John Jones, John.
• 1:54:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Patrick Jones.
• 1:54:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:54:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So how do they do it?
• 1:54:27
  [UNKNOWN]: How do they both make an impact?
• 1:54:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it has to boil down to the scheme, right?
• 1:54:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that not only do they have to be good, don't give me wrong, but I think when you have the the attention of like a Jalen Phillips, it's going to free you up a bit, right?
• 1:54:45
  [UNKNOWN]: They just rotate, rotate, rotate.
• 1:54:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And if you, the thing is you have to allow these guys to try to get home and I don't know that I felt like this defensive line was ever free to just rush
• 1:55:00
  [UNKNOWN]: last year.
• 1:55:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I know there's been like arguably you could say they didn't, they weren't good enough to rush the quarterback, but I don't know that I just feel like when you look at how poorly we performed in a sax, you know, versus the rest of the league, like it's, it feels like the goal was just to get her quarterback hurries, not to actually pursue the quarterback, which I think is, you know,
• 1:55:29
  [UNKNOWN]: fact that our best opportunity at blitzing the quarterback usually came from a corner back blitz.
• 1:55:36
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't know, it feels a little bit like scheme is going to be valuable for those guys to have an opportunity to get after the quarterback and and change the the, you know, increase.
• 1:55:51
  [UNKNOWN]: their standing in that locker room.
• 1:55:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Because right now, I mean, I think they both would argue their rookie season wasn't the greatest.
• 1:55:58
  [UNKNOWN]: No, but I just argued that they were pardon me.
• 1:56:01
  [UNKNOWN]: They were all right, though.
• 1:56:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they were all right.
• 1:56:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It was important.
• 1:56:04
  [UNKNOWN]: It was scored and got double team like crazy.
• 1:56:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:56:09
  [UNKNOWN]: He can't get free to principally had some games where he made some impact plays.
• 1:56:17
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what I think is
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  [UNKNOWN]: that both of these guys truly have an opportunity to excel and I think of both of these players in a different white scorton and omenulin then I think of I want to go back and I will not remember their names but like a DJ Johnson who's the guy that played for the
• 1:56:46
  [UNKNOWN]: he just went to the 49ers.
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  [UNKNOWN]: He was a defensive end.
• 1:56:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, that like the second third round picks that like where like oh, they might do something.
• 1:56:57
  [UNKNOWN]: They could do something.
• 1:56:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I actually thanks Gordon and Umenulin both can do something.
• 1:57:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think when they were in the game,
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  [UNKNOWN]: They didn't not play poorly.
• 1:57:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:57:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think they played poorly.
• 1:57:11
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think it's going to be about opportunity.
• 1:57:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I think about I hope they don't overly rely on pet Jones.
• 1:57:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Scorton is going to be
• 1:57:22
  [UNKNOWN]: We need jailing Phillips to be jailing Phillips and their Browns just disrupt to allow these rookies to ascend to where we can be like the Los Angeles Rams where every year they have these fucking dogs that are coming out of nowhere in the second third round that are like their defense is fucking incredible.
• 1:57:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think these guys have what it takes.
• 1:57:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I do.
• 1:57:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I believe in both of these guys more than I believe in DJ Johnson and who is, I mean there's been a list of these motherfuckers that we went through.
• 1:58:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I can't not remember it.
• 1:58:03
  [UNKNOWN]: You know why I don't remember because their names are worth not worth was I'm sorry to them.
• 1:58:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I did not mean that but like That means that made me.
• 1:58:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It didn't make it impact.
• 1:58:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It didn't make it impact.
• 1:58:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Who was your guy that you love And he went to the Rams and now to the 49ers last year.
• 1:58:25
  [UNKNOWN]: You loved him.
• 1:58:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Start with that.
• 1:58:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you care girls mothers?
• 1:58:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 1:58:33
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you... Love them.
• 1:58:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I thought you was a... That's fine.
• 1:58:42
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
• 1:58:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that.
• 1:58:44
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think I like to my better than DJ Johnson, who at Zero and Vera was slavering all over.
• 1:58:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Before we moved up to Jeremy, I'm not trying to shoot on you.
• 1:58:54
  [UNKNOWN]: And what I'm saying is this, is I think that scored and principally, even in your, and now I'm sure I'm just fucking murder's name.
• 1:59:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But I have more high hopes about these two guys than I have about
• 1:59:11
  [UNKNOWN]: YGM, and there there was another one.
• 1:59:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you remember the skinny one we got from Texas and them to Yeah, for his name though, it was I don't remember about it.
• 1:59:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
• 1:59:24
  [UNKNOWN]: And everybody thought it was I actually believe they can make an impact.
• 1:59:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So I don't know which one will I do think Scorton's gonna get more reps and I think Prince and Prince Lee want it and like
• 1:59:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I have a lot of faith, not faith, I have optimism in these two players.
• 1:59:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody, what's next?
• 1:59:47
  [UNKNOWN]: We're done with the calls.
• 1:59:50
  [UNKNOWN]: We have talked about how much we're spending on the defense.
• 1:59:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, that pressure linebacker plan, we're not paying a ton of money to the linebacker.
• 2:00:00
  [UNKNOWN]: We're all the paying the 27th amount of money and all the NFL linebacker.
• 2:00:05
  [UNKNOWN]: But we made a giant upgrade that linebacker.
• 2:00:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if everyone is doing that.
• 2:00:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Robes says we made a significant.
• 2:00:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and if we're hitting pressure, Devon Lloyd's going to look even better newcomer Devon Lloyd is the most expensive item at linebacker to cap number for the first year of his new contract of 6.77 million roughly half the entire position groups total entering the third year in his
• 2:00:33
  [UNKNOWN]: and during a third year in the NFL and Japanese Wallace, only has a capit of 1.625 million, the rest of the all-ball linebackers cause next to nothing.
• 2:00:43
  [UNKNOWN]: And listen, this is reflected in the depth, and this is what everyone's worried about.
• 2:00:51
  [UNKNOWN]: You do have Kevin Lloyd, who's a really good player, and can really make some waves, but there is nothing next to him.
• 2:00:59
  [UNKNOWN]: There's barely anyone behind him.
• 2:01:02
  [UNKNOWN]: So if there's any sort of injury to Depp and Lord, that that's going to be rough.
• 2:01:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I floated it out.
• 2:01:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I floated it out last Tuesday, Tony.
• 2:01:13
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, we argued a little bit about Bobby Wagner.
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  [UNKNOWN]: You know, he's 35, 36 years old, but last year he had 76 solo tackles and four and a half sacks.
• 2:01:24
  [UNKNOWN]: If you're, you know, I wouldn't find a ship at this position.
• 2:01:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wouldn't mind signing him as a depth piece, just to kind of bolster a little bit of that depth.
• 2:01:34
  [UNKNOWN]: That's more.
• 2:01:35
  [UNKNOWN]: That's more.
• 2:01:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that we got such a steal here.
• 2:01:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Find an anchoring.
• 2:01:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:01:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And I love the way Devin Walker talks, uh, Devin, excuse me, Devin Lloyd, his leadership role.
• 2:01:50
  [UNKNOWN]: There's about leadership, but you're right.
• 2:01:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And how do you deal if something happened behind that?
• 2:01:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's keep going.
• 2:01:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and corner back is.
• 2:02:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I should talk.
• 2:02:02
  [UNKNOWN]: J.C. Horn, largest slice of the pie with a cap hip of 10.9 million.
• 2:02:09
  [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
• 2:02:12
  [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
• 2:02:14
  [UNKNOWN]: 10.9 million.
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  [UNKNOWN]: 10.9 this year.
• 2:02:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll take it.
• 2:02:16
  [UNKNOWN]: 29 million at the corner back position 16.
• 2:02:21
  [UNKNOWN]: We're getting a steal for the deal because we got Mike Jack at 7.8 and will Lee.
• 2:02:30
  [UNKNOWN]: The third boy, they are celebrating him on the Panther's website and J.C. Horn respecting him.
• 2:02:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you know this mug sent he was playing Missouri or played for Missouri played this team?
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  [UNKNOWN]: He sent this motherfucker a blanket in the mail.
• 2:02:52
  [UNKNOWN]: You'll before they played.
• 2:02:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Who is that?
• 2:02:54
  [UNKNOWN]: We didn't want the best receivers on the league.
• 2:02:56
  [UNKNOWN]: No.
• 2:02:57
  [UNKNOWN]: They call him the blanket.
• 2:02:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Willy the third ready to step in, damn Morgan doing his job.
• 2:03:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think damn Morgan, when I look at his strategy financially is that he's looking at these positions that cost the most corner, corner bag, edge, tackle.
• 2:03:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And he's trying to get these mugs for reasonable prices.
• 2:03:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Willie the third is just fun to say.
• 2:03:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Willie the third.
• 2:03:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Willie.
• 2:03:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Might be the real fucking deal.
• 2:03:40
  [UNKNOWN]: the reserve.
• 2:03:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And last but not least, safety 26.6 million were nice.
• 2:03:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Last but not least is the safety where we're driven more is on top of the 2020s cap number of 21.27 million representing a massive portion of the panther spending at this position.
• 2:04:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Next guy comes in at this in a second
• 2:04:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Unlike the other offense of spending this unit has the resources spread out much more evenly Whether or not that would translate the positive results remains to be seen But general manager Dan Morgan has done a good job of building up this unit Tony the only reason I do want I even brought this up or even want to talk about this Did you know Trevor Wallace shreds?
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  [UNKNOWN]: He plays the guitar Did you know this?
• 2:04:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not coming while they're too much more like.
• 2:04:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, bored.
• 2:04:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So he's like that.
• 2:04:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 2:04:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Number one.
• 2:04:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I told you he was should be in the top 100.
• 2:04:53
  [UNKNOWN]: This guy plays like a motherfucker and give for him.
• 2:04:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I like somebody that's shreds.
• 2:05:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see what he's got here.
• 2:05:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I have seen a video of him doing this before too.
• 2:05:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I've got it.
• 2:05:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't have, you got him at Bell Bottoms.
• 2:05:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Is this a real picture or did you?
• 2:05:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Bro.
• 2:05:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Look, he's like, channelist Jimmy Hendrix right here.
• 2:05:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I love how everything's coming back to the 60s and the 90s.
• 2:05:37
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, you've met a drop-end, that was it, and then he's dropping the something.
• 2:05:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're dropping the something, I won't say he's shredded then, you play it a riff.
• 2:05:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, hey, but it's better than a lot of other dudes playing the whole bunch of
• 2:06:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's red, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 2:06:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not trying to deter from him, but when I heard shred, I thought he was going to be doing the scales, okay.
• 2:06:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, that was that was that was that's power.
• 2:06:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Of course.
• 2:06:42
  [UNKNOWN]: That was a power.
• 2:06:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was just, you know, he was getting some.
• 2:06:46
  [UNKNOWN]: It's hard.
• 2:06:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's hard.
• 2:06:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It's hard.
• 2:06:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, shredding would be, you know, you're you're doing a solo bit, right?
• 2:06:56
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the, what is the, they call it, the, um, pentatomic scales.
• 2:07:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, pentat, pentatum, is that what it is?
• 2:07:04
  [UNKNOWN]: So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, you know, man, like, it's hard.
• 2:07:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm a,
• 2:07:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, you know, my son has been trying to pick up the guitar lately, and my son doesn't talk to me, that he doesn't, that's not like that, but he doesn't like, oh, I picked up the guitar, but I used to play a lot, but that was like, oh, I walked there and I was like,
• 2:07:29
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like I walked in on him, I just happened to say, so there's nothing.
• 2:07:34
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't look after it.
• 2:07:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I just didn't look after it.
• 2:07:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I grabbed this guitar and I remembered.
• 2:07:39
  [UNKNOWN]: And like I picked it up and I was playing out.
• 2:07:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh, my finger memory is lost.
• 2:07:46
  [UNKNOWN]: So.
• 2:07:47
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what I could.
• 2:07:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like I probably couldn't.
• 2:07:52
  [UNKNOWN]: But I could.
• 2:07:53
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I finger memory.
• 2:07:56
  [UNKNOWN]: is important.
• 2:07:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I thought he was going to do the pentatonic scale, though.
• 2:08:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Good.
• 2:08:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:08:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:08:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I was hoping that it was going to be, I mean, it's out what that what I heard was somebody learning the guitar.
• 2:08:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, I mean, good for him.
• 2:08:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, go, go, learn the guitar.
• 2:08:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I would, that's what that's what I would have posted if we had social media when I was his age.
• 2:08:20
  [UNKNOWN]: agree.
• 2:08:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I think about that.
• 2:08:23
  [UNKNOWN]: When thinking about our age versus his age, I would have been like fucking, I'm shredding my Kevin Gray.
• 2:08:30
  [UNKNOWN]: We're fucking doing it.
• 2:08:32
  [UNKNOWN]: We got a band.
• 2:08:34
  [UNKNOWN]: We're destined.
• 2:08:36
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:08:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Next.
• 2:08:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Please say that.
• 2:08:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's over.
• 2:08:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:08:41
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:08:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Then let's, uh, where we got left.
• 2:08:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I some folds up.
• 2:08:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Does it?
• 2:08:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Does it?
• 2:08:48
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:08:49
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• 2:08:58
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• 2:09:12
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• 2:09:19
  [UNKNOWN]: It's time for our homage to Steve Smith, where everyone is fair game ice up these fools Cody are so got ready.
• 2:09:41
  [UNKNOWN]: It's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up, tough it up to get it together.
• 2:09:46
  [UNKNOWN]: It's this might be a football podcast, but we will step inside and outside the boundaries of football, your family, your friends, my family, my friends are all fair game.
• 2:10:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Hell, even kids, we've never met no Oklahoma.
• 2:10:04
  [UNKNOWN]: That's right, a nod.
• 2:10:06
  [UNKNOWN]: to Jerry Richardson, who tried to get this kid to be a Panthers fan in Oklahoma, who refused.
• 2:10:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It's our time to ice these fools up.
• 2:10:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody, lack.
• 2:10:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
• 2:10:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 2:10:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I had a couple of them.
• 2:10:23
  [UNKNOWN]: So we can ping pong if you have more than I only have two.
• 2:10:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I know that's fun.
• 2:10:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's do one.
• 2:10:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, so how about this headline, uh, cops, woman denied own and cocaine that fell out of her butt.
• 2:10:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Said someone must have put, said someone must have put it there during an intermittent encounter.
• 2:10:53
  [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, when you're just, you're not okay.
• 2:10:57
  [UNKNOWN]: When you're just having fun, when you're sitting there for another, and just put some coke up there, but, you know, that's fine.
• 2:11:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I saw.
• 2:11:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I saw.
• 2:11:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I saw a per-but.
• 2:11:09
  [UNKNOWN]: It sounds funny.
• 2:11:11
  [UNKNOWN]: When you say, all right, I might do this one right here.
• 2:11:16
  [UNKNOWN]: The tweet is Oh, no.
• 2:11:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I need to see this.
• 2:11:21
  [UNKNOWN]: The tweet says there are battles which one is never prepared And this just made me gaggle and say, oh boy, it doesn't matter
• 2:11:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if this is real
• 2:11:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I hope it is real.
• 2:11:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I hope it's true.
• 2:11:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's real this poor person just son.
• 2:11:56
  [UNKNOWN]: But do they know what I'm icing out this?
• 2:12:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Is this poor person who got smashed by this giant person?
• 2:12:04
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, my ice up goes to, it's not getting smashed.
• 2:12:07
  [UNKNOWN]: But why are you laying out with no towel?
• 2:12:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Who's laying in the sand?
• 2:12:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just why is he so?
• 2:12:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Who's the lays in the sand?
• 2:12:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Who lays from the sand?
• 2:12:20
  [UNKNOWN]: No towel.
• 2:12:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess she's wanted a couple.
• 2:12:23
  [UNKNOWN]: She either wanted a couple of waves to wash up on her or him.
• 2:12:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it's him or her.
• 2:12:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it doesn't do to me or a giant dude to fucking break her chest cavity.
• 2:12:36
  [UNKNOWN]: My eyes up right there.
• 2:12:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Don't lay in the put a towel out.
• 2:12:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Put a towel out before you get smashed.
• 2:12:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, mine is going to be, uh, just because obviously going on vacation, um, I might set up the price of doing anything with you.
• 2:12:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my god.
• 2:12:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's fucking insane.
• 2:13:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's unreal when you look at how much it costs.
• 2:13:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go to all.
• 2:13:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:13:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Two hundred, maybe five dollars.
• 2:13:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, it's wild.
• 2:13:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Like even, I think about the
• 2:13:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It was, you know, nice, it is nice too.
• 2:13:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not bad at all.
• 2:13:23
  [UNKNOWN]: That $4.85.
• 2:13:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not a $200 trip, not a $250 trip.
• 2:13:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, pirates voyage like that, I mean, just like, that's it is fucking ridiculous, dude.
• 2:13:37
  [UNKNOWN]: It's very good, too.
• 2:13:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's, yeah, it's fun.
• 2:13:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It is $100 a person almost.
• 2:13:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's unreal and and I'm just amissed up the fact that you can't really enjoy a vacation because the entire time you're like, oh, we went through my budget in the first three days or how about this, and I don't mean to interrupt because I know because I go where you went.
• 2:14:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so what like what you just said, those three things is you to take an average family.
• 2:14:14
  [UNKNOWN]: to a vacation there for a, it's impossibly my impossible price, but look, I want to take my kids, I already spent $1,300 for the month, not for the month for the week to take my family to cram in this modest place.
• 2:14:38
  [UNKNOWN]: And then we want to go see us show.
• 2:14:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's $600 for your family.
• 2:14:46
  [UNKNOWN]: This is where I come back to where Panthers, I hope you're not listening, but listen.
• 2:14:54
  [UNKNOWN]: But you're pricing the middle class.
• 2:14:59
  [UNKNOWN]: out of things.
• 2:15:00
  [UNKNOWN]: And when you price the middle class out of things, then all I think is the poor people that have suffered, and this is like they've worked so hard for this, that are bottom middle class decay, and they have worked and they've saved a three grand.
• 2:15:20
  [UNKNOWN]: And then they want to go see pirates of the whatever and get to chicken served them and have this take it like this food that's crazy.
• 2:15:30
  [UNKNOWN]: It's 85 dollars a person bro.
• 2:15:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It's it's it's on it's I think we're going to have a reset in the economy because of it.
• 2:15:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's gonna be, I mean, I was talking to my buddy today.
• 2:15:47
  [UNKNOWN]: He's going to Disney and he's taken him his wife in his two kids and they're going to be down there for eight days and they're doing the mill package and staying on like one of their resorts and everything and he's paying 15,000 dollars.
• 2:16:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Since that's in fucking incredible.
• 2:16:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Say, Ken, did you do the pirates?
• 2:16:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I did.
• 2:16:10
  [UNKNOWN]: How am I that caused for the family?
• 2:16:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Just straight up tell us about $240 for our four people for my wife, my son, and we did the matinee.
• 2:16:23
  [UNKNOWN]: We did the matinee as well.
• 2:16:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So we didn't do like the six o'clock one.
• 2:16:26
  [UNKNOWN]: We did the three o'clock one and so and then my three year old, so she end up getting a cheaper price.
• 2:16:32
  [UNKNOWN]: So you had three people and I want to say 70 dollars a person.
• 2:16:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 70 dollars version of you stuff.
• 2:16:44
  [UNKNOWN]: It's tough.
• 2:16:45
  [UNKNOWN]: These treats out there are tough.
• 2:16:48
  [UNKNOWN]: You want to go next to any of your women.
• 2:16:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got one last one.
• 2:16:53
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's just silly.
• 2:16:56
  [UNKNOWN]: That's not, I mean.
• 2:16:57
  [UNKNOWN]: So the assault, there's two tweets that I was just, who is the architect?
• 2:17:08
  [UNKNOWN]: who let the architect cook is one tweet the other tweet is the architecture had been arrested for designing for such a dangerous construction.
• 2:17:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know what let me say oh yeah I'm about to
• 2:17:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I laugh at it both arms, uh, here we go.
• 2:17:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm seeing this.
• 2:17:43
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:17:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, dude.
• 2:17:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, girl, trying to get a sunscreen.
• 2:17:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm looking like I'm looking at this like, oh, oh, it was like, I thought they were just talking about it as hard to get it close.
• 2:18:05
  [UNKNOWN]: She fell into these other people's patio.
• 2:18:09
  [UNKNOWN]: So I say, I set them.
• 2:18:11
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, much you got for me.
• 2:18:13
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so the last one from me, I hope you're on Thursday.
• 2:18:19
  [UNKNOWN]: This is much as I do.
• 2:18:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 2:18:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, uh, huh.
• 2:18:28
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so this, this kid had a problem.
• 2:18:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I'd seen this with his mom's outfit.
• 2:18:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Wait, wait, get to Larry.
• 2:18:41
  [UNKNOWN]: This is where I'm tonight.
• 2:18:44
  [UNKNOWN]: That I need to wear a better bra.
• 2:18:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I insurance that are not fitted.
• 2:18:53
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I was told today, at his awards day.
• 2:18:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Was it thank you for coming and supporting me?
• 2:19:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It was, what do you have on the United Changes?
• 2:19:09
  [UNKNOWN]: And I don't find something.
• 2:19:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm wrong with what I've got on.
• 2:19:13
  [UNKNOWN]: There's not nothing wrong with what I've got on.
• 2:19:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I could literally say my friends looking at your tickets because there's or what's worth walking.
• 2:19:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:19:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And your nipples are poking out.
• 2:19:26
  [UNKNOWN]: No, you're not.
• 2:19:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I was.
• 2:19:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, it might have been cold or a split circuit.
• 2:19:34
  [UNKNOWN]: What are you iceing up, God damn, tell me what I'm in.
• 2:19:36
  [UNKNOWN]: They're nipples.
• 2:19:38
  [UNKNOWN]: They're like hiking.
• 2:19:39
  [UNKNOWN]: They're already iceed up, bro.
• 2:19:41
  [UNKNOWN]: You're titties.
• 2:19:44
  [UNKNOWN]: They look awful.
• 2:19:46
  [UNKNOWN]: But not awful.
• 2:19:48
  [UNKNOWN]: They're just sticking out.
• 2:19:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I know what I'm iceing up.
• 2:19:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Who's about being like you?
• 2:19:55
  [UNKNOWN]: That's your eyes up, but you tell it.
• 2:19:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I wanted to play it's because it's your taste.
• 2:20:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's so sad.
• 2:20:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Starting country accent, but I'm icing up the game.
• 2:20:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I heard my mouth right now.
• 2:20:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm icing up the kid because hey, man, just because you don't like your mom's taste.
• 2:20:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't.
• 2:20:17
  [UNKNOWN]: So hey, man, I'm icing up this.
• 2:20:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Go on, finish.
• 2:20:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
• 2:20:24
  [UNKNOWN]: My eyes up as this is to these fucking internet producers like content.
• 2:20:32
  [UNKNOWN]: This woman just used her son and her boobs together to get attention.
• 2:20:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's normal.
• 2:20:41
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what we're talking about.
• 2:20:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm tired of this.
• 2:20:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm tired of this is the first thing.
• 2:20:46
  [UNKNOWN]: He's got big boobs.
• 2:20:47
  [UNKNOWN]: We will look down on everywhere they're in person.
• 2:20:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But you know what?
• 2:20:54
  [UNKNOWN]: as a prop.
• 2:20:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm icing up her or kid.
• 2:21:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, is this, is like damn, get over.
• 2:21:05
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not clicking on that.
• 2:21:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at your teeth, cause I'm looking at your teeth.
• 2:21:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at your teeth.
• 2:21:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fun.
• 2:21:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of good.
• 2:21:19
  [UNKNOWN]: It's child abuse.
• 2:21:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at your teeth.
• 2:21:23
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• 2:21:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, CK, you got anything left or are we done?
• 2:21:31
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  [UNKNOWN]: Lots of big things in the midst.
• 2:22:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody let.
• 2:22:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It's time to take his out of here.
• 2:22:14
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• 2:22:15
  [UNKNOWN]: See, religion can pound him.