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NFL Week 8 DFS Takedown Breakdown | October 27, 2025 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All system's going clear the lift up? What's up? Ever?
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  Speaker 2: One?
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tamberline here aka Totaken Tambo back for another edition
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  Speaker 1: of the Takedown Breakdown here on the Ship and Nation
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  Speaker 1: YouTube station. This week got my man, em Bellman ninety
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven. Matt is here with me, gonna break down
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  Speaker 1: all things from this past weekend, going through the we
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  Speaker 1: have it this week. We got the tournament winners, we
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  Speaker 1: got the perfect lineup. We're gonna look at some of
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  Speaker 1: the tools and stuff over a ship in Nation had
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  Speaker 1: another big week, huge momentum for the Nation as season
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  Speaker 1: continues in both NFL and NBA. Where you can find
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  Speaker 1: a man Matt and he was in the NFL streets
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  Speaker 1: this week too. If you didn't know, he's now doing
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  Speaker 1: an NFL slate plan on the site. He's in the
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  Speaker 1: discord breaking things down. Matt. What's going on, ma Man?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing on this fine Monday morning.
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  Speaker 2: I am doing okay, Man, dealing with some personal stuff,
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  Speaker 2: as you know about, but excited to put that aside
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  Speaker 2: for at least an hour so we can talk some.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday slate was a fun one. I heard you on
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  Speaker 2: the I heard you and Alex talk on leverage Lane
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  Speaker 2: about how this might be the week that Chock finally fails.
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  Speaker 2: And while it all didn't fail, certainly some of it
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  Speaker 2: did and that was prevalent in the contest on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can start there. I know we always get
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  Speaker 1: to the perfect lineup and everything here soon and you know,
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  Speaker 1: some folks in the chat talking about things and how
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  Speaker 1: their week went. But I really love this slate. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't fully work out for me. I had another good
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  Speaker 1: run at the fan duel thing. It's funny, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you post some stuff and people start hitting up.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's like, oh, that wasn't really that close, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like they don't really know, they don't enjoy the sweat
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  Speaker 1: with you. And I actually had the late swap. I'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about it after, but I was just one play
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  Speaker 1: away and I have the little screenshot off at the
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  Speaker 1: ball is this close from one hundred k, so it's
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  Speaker 1: like it was. It was right there. It was a
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  Speaker 1: nice chance again, but the momentum keeps building. A ton
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  Speaker 1: of members had success. I'll pull it up shortly, but
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  Speaker 1: let's start with the Drake London is out news. Bjehon
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  Speaker 1: Robinson is massively owned. Any thoughts on that now. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is what's so important about waiting for injury news
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  Speaker 1: and thinking about things and thinking through them. Again, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be results oriented, but I think there
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  Speaker 1: was some clear takeaways for me that I didn't adjust
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  Speaker 1: on either. That you know, you get after the fact.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as lock hits you're like, oh wait, this
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  Speaker 1: is a thought I just had and now it breaks
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  Speaker 1: down into this. So got to be on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: But what was your thoughts on that? And then how
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  Speaker 1: it played out for guys like Mooney and Bijean and
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  Speaker 1: some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I was a little bit eerie of Djon's ownership,
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  Speaker 2: Like all week, I've still played so much of him.
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  Speaker 2: I was even over the field. My best lineups obviously
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  Speaker 2: didn't have him. When Mooney was out, it didn't change
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  Speaker 2: a ton for me, honestly, Like I get it, especially
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  Speaker 2: after the fact Miami.
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  Speaker 1: Consider so London was out, you said Mooney, but when
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  Speaker 1: less did it change anything for you with Mooney? That's
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  Speaker 1: actually a good segue there.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it made Mooney definitely more appealing.
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  Speaker 2: He was higher on than he was going to be.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like he was crazy highly owned, but he
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  Speaker 2: looked better now. To answer your question about Bijon, I
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  Speaker 2: certainly think now, especially after the fact, you can look
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  Speaker 2: at it and say, well, Miami can focus so much
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  Speaker 2: to their attention now on Bijon on the run. But
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  Speaker 2: on the same token like Miami's Miami stinks They've been
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  Speaker 2: bad all year. They've given it up to running backs
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  Speaker 2: all year. It didn't work out, and he was probably
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  Speaker 2: just too highly owned in general for how many good
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  Speaker 2: plays there were on the slate. But I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I can look back on it and be like Bijon
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  Speaker 2: or Mooney for that matter, and I'm interested to hear
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  Speaker 2: your Mooney talks were like bad plays. Atlanta just wasn't good.
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  Speaker 2: Cousins clearly wasn't good. So maybe it just going forward.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know. Tough to sit here and be
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  Speaker 2: like armchair quarterback and a really good spot that was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest thing was and we talk about this
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  Speaker 1: every week of like the optal versus that, like the
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  Speaker 1: ownership got out of hand on Bijon, like it got
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  Speaker 1: up to almost sixty percent in the twenty dollars million maker.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly don't remember the last time we've seen a almost
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  Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars player of any kind, be that type
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  Speaker 1: of ownership. You get a backup running back, we'll see
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  Speaker 1: sixty percent. You get Bucky Irving last season when there's
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  Speaker 1: nobody in there, and obviously Sean Tucker came through and
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  Speaker 1: they got the birthday by a touchdown yesterday too for
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  Speaker 1: all the Rashad White lovers. But I will say the
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  Speaker 1: the Bijon stuff got way way more. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anybody accounted for anywhere near that, and even sites that
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  Speaker 1: were getting you know, forty forty one, like it was
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  Speaker 1: forty to forty five at most, he's getting up to
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  Speaker 1: almost sixty percent in the twenty dollars. At that point,
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  Speaker 1: there's a you know, other factors to think of. It's
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  Speaker 1: just talking about it. But again, he's a great plan
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  Speaker 1: on paper. You talk about the fact of the matchup
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  Speaker 1: still and still being able to get there. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: shaking him. I had him everywhere. I made this mistake
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  Speaker 1: and went through with it. But I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: say some mistake as much as what I wasn't cautionary
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  Speaker 1: of that fact. It gets really tough to get great
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  Speaker 1: leverage at almost six like that, So I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say it's a bad play. He's not. He had
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  Speaker 1: a great matchup. It all made sense. I get that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying the thought process for me. After Locke and
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  Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about it Hoop title night
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the show yesterday. We wanted to
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  Speaker 1: circle back once we got the London news we stayed
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  Speaker 1: on till past inactives was that maybe it's not as
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  Speaker 1: great for Mooney. His price is great, but the idea
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  Speaker 1: of now like him being the wide receiver. One the
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  Speaker 1: reason Mooney is typically open is because there's Bijon London
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  Speaker 1: they have to account for, and then even Kyle Pitts.
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  Speaker 1: And then we thought Kyle Pitts two and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like the worst setup, but the you know, that's the
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  Speaker 1: guy I liked a little bit more than Mooney, but
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't going away from Bijon in that spot. It
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  Speaker 1: was just eye opening. After the slates started to see that,
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  Speaker 1: even more piled on based on the Drake London projection
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  Speaker 1: going away it has to be given somewhere it projections,
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  Speaker 1: get a little bit of that and start pushing it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Coach Staffs and I capped him. Didn't like
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  Speaker 1: the fact, as a Dolphins fan, we suck but was
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  Speaker 1: in a dome. My big like you said, is they
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  Speaker 1: can just now bear down on make Kirk Cousins pass
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  Speaker 1: to Darnell Mooney, Kyle Pitts and Casey Washington and whoever
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  Speaker 1: else you want to put lump into that. So I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's in hindsight thing. There was definitely opportunities and
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  Speaker 1: ways to get to Jonathan Taylor and some of those
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  Speaker 1: other guys that had these big boy scores. Anything else
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  Speaker 1: from that that you want to bring up, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: pull up the perfect line up here, but anything else
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  Speaker 1: on the slate that you can think of as we
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  Speaker 1: get to.
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  Speaker 2: This, Yeah, just on that point really to finish it
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  Speaker 2: off and kind of and correct me if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but taking the words out of your mouth a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't say this, but I thought you kind of
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  Speaker 2: said this. In other words, knowing what his ownership was
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  Speaker 2: after the fact, sixty percent, I mean that's NBA levels
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  Speaker 2: for NFL, which is just crazy. It doesn't really matter
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  Speaker 2: how good of a spot he's in. I would have
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  Speaker 2: wanted zero personally knowing he was going to be that
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  Speaker 2: highly owned. There were just a lot of other good spots.
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  Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong there.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, I don't know if I definitely wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go to zero, I would say that, but you were
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  Speaker 1: on the right track of what I was saying, like
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  Speaker 1: if you know sixty. It's a lot different for those
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  Speaker 1: wondering of like if you're going to look at a
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  Speaker 1: guy and we see on the stone he's twenty nine
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  Speaker 1: percent to be optimal, we're seeing like thirty to thirty
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  Speaker 1: three percent ownership, and maybe even if it trends up
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  Speaker 1: to like four, it's like, obviously, you just you don't
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  Speaker 1: see those numbers very often. There was a lot of alternatives,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll show it and you can you'll pull from
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  Speaker 1: what you think. The other thing is the Mooney factor.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny because it boosted his own guy Bijon.
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  Speaker 1: But I literally had this example yesterday on the show
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  Speaker 1: of the Pickens. For the Steelers year, he got moved out.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone goes to Calvin Austin Junior. It gets them up
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  Speaker 1: to Barkley. It ended up getting to more stars and
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  Speaker 1: scrubs builds, and not just the optimal, but in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the winning lineups too. You'll see that it
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  Speaker 1: was a much more balanced, balanced as it can be
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  Speaker 1: with a ninety five hundred dollars JT. But the idea
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  Speaker 1: of like an expense a more expensive defense, like even,
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  Speaker 1: look at this optimal five K six K, six K,
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  Speaker 1: five K, five K, and then four k at tight
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  Speaker 1: end is basically balanced, and then four k Franklin is
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  Speaker 1: a lot more than thirty five hundred dollars guys, and
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  Speaker 1: three thousand dollars guys, and he's just under the price
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  Speaker 1: of Mooney at forty four hundred. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing, and I think this is com and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look it up. I wanna look it up
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  Speaker 1: when we get to to Fantasy Labs and go through
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  Speaker 1: some of the contest dashboard and stuff. I'm definitely gonna
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  Speaker 1: check it out on what some other people did in
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  Speaker 1: that spot. But I'm curious your thoughts here, Matt on
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  Speaker 1: the perfect line up again. We just look at this
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  Speaker 1: to see sort of what I kept saying this, but
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  Speaker 1: it really felt like a slate where even if you
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  Speaker 1: moved off, you know, even if you were right about
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  Speaker 1: a situation, you you almost were still wrong. For example,
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  Speaker 1: if you even saw the Bijon stuff, We're like, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Kirk Cousins and Mooney and and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna leverage him that way. Nope, wrong, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Rashad White z owned. I don't. That's craziness. They could
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  Speaker 1: use that. Sean Tucker guy, I'm gonna go to Baker
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  Speaker 1: and run that side. Oh this home game with Spencer Rattler,
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  Speaker 1: it's so easy to fit if you just play him
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  Speaker 1: with Olave and Shaheed and then you run it back
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  Speaker 1: with one or two of these Tampa Bay guys and
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  Speaker 1: me and me and you are in this crowd that's
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  Speaker 1: wrong on this very wrong. I had it too, and
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  Speaker 1: it's saying it. It's just it's like you see this
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  Speaker 1: stuff and you think you've got an angle of attack,
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  Speaker 1: and then guess what that Rattler stack got me and
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  Speaker 1: beautiful lineup with Bijon and CMC. Had that work out
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  Speaker 1: for me? Not? Well, So it happens. It's the way
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  Speaker 1: it goes. That's why we love the game. But I
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  Speaker 1: did still love the slate. I talked about a ton yesterday, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: Here is some of those ceiling scores, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: expecting everyone to get to all of them. But JT.
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  Speaker 1: Pittman Franklin, you know, Bryce Hall and James Cook instead
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  Speaker 1: of the more expensive running backs. That's the way to
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  Speaker 1: flip the build and get different. Stroud, we liked all
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  Speaker 1: his pieces. Maybe you didn't want to figure out the pieces,
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  Speaker 1: you just wanted to play him at fifty one hundred
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  Speaker 1: again we can show, Oh, where would you get that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the stack rankings on Shivia Nations.
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  Speaker 1: It's right there, number three, so even if you don't
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  Speaker 1: stack it, it can give you an idea of passing
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  Speaker 1: stacks to get to Hurts. Not bad yesterday, Spencer Rattler bad,
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  Speaker 1: Stroud good, may feel bad, so it's in or miss.
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  Speaker 1: But then, like Flacco Nicks Fields, I think Daniel Jones
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  Speaker 1: was right there too, Drake May Daniel Jones, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those were pretty good. But just give me
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this perfect line up. We'll break it down.
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  Speaker 2: So before I do that, I want to push back
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  Speaker 2: a little bit on the Mooney And obviously it was
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  Speaker 2: the right call, but I feel like that's a classic
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  Speaker 2: NFL DFS one oh one. Like the wide receiver ones out,
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  Speaker 2: the wide receiver two is going to be in a
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  Speaker 2: better spot as far as more opportunity potentially, but also
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  Speaker 2: the defense can focus in on him more So I
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  Speaker 2: feel like you have to look at those spots like
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  Speaker 2: in each individual in each individual opportunity, I should say,
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  Speaker 2: And in this one, I think you guys were spot
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  Speaker 2: on with the mooney. I just think it kind of
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  Speaker 2: changes depending on who's out there, who's at quarterback, all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff, And on paper, it was a good spot
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  Speaker 2: for the Atlanta offense. I don't think anyone saw them
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  Speaker 2: failing completely with no one even close to the optimal
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  Speaker 2: because they barely scored. The thing that I noticed most
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  Speaker 2: about the optimal lineup is no Saquon Barkley. Just shows
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  Speaker 2: you how many running backs had really good days. Cook
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  Speaker 2: was Phenomenalon Cook, Hall, and Taylor all out scored Barkley
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  Speaker 2: or Haul and Cook were right there with him at
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  Speaker 2: lower price tags. So you could win with Barkley especially,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you faded the Jon Robinson for him.
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  Speaker 2: But just really interesting that he wasn't in the winning lineup.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely A week twenty, just.
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  Speaker 1: A note I'll just cut in quickly, just a note
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  Speaker 1: on this optimal it's a twenty four point delta to
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  Speaker 1: the twenty dollars MILLI Maker winners. So there was lots
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  Speaker 1: of moves like you're nailing it right now. I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: like you could fit Barkley in here somewhere if you
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  Speaker 1: weren't getting to the James Cook and Shakir. So like again,
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  Speaker 1: this is all just looking at the optimal to see
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  Speaker 1: one of the exercises I like to do with it,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll let you keep rolling. Is just think
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  Speaker 1: about how right this is versus like what you needed
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  Speaker 1: to actually win. Obviously we're not getting to the optimal
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  Speaker 1: very often, but we've been getting a lot closer this season,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a forty nine to nine lineup, And
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk more on a second. I'll let you roll
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  Speaker 1: it out, but yeah, there was ways to get Barkley
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  Speaker 1: in here instead and move another piece around and still
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  Speaker 1: be wrong, but still be enough to win the Millimaker
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So I think what you talked about, how even if
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  Speaker 2: you were wrong, or even if you were right, you
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: were wrong, like let's say you got off Beijon and
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: played the Atlanta passing game or played Tampa or play
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: New Orleans. For me, that just goes to show how
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: many even on a non like massive, massive slate with
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  Speaker 2: bye weeks and stuff. How many good spots there just
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  Speaker 2: usually really are on any given slate. So no, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the Falcons, it wasn't the Bucks, but you talked
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  Speaker 2: about CJ. Stroud. Buffalo was in a good spot. Indianapolis
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  Speaker 2: was in a good spot. It's not like anyone surprised
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  Speaker 2: that those guys got there. I think it's just surprising
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  Speaker 2: that those guys were better than the teams that were
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  Speaker 2: in better spots on paper, So really really fun NFL
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  Speaker 2: slate wasn't the best late for me. I had one
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  Speaker 2: lineup in that well, I can't remember what that contest
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  Speaker 2: was called. Yeah, it was a Jet stack, like just
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  Speaker 2: a full Jets Bengals game stack without Bijon with Taylor
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  Speaker 2: didn't quite get there was a fun sweat for a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, but just showed you, like how many under
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  Speaker 2: the radar good spots there were.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday one hundred percent and one thing I had so
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, I talked live on this
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  Speaker 1: show about you know a little bit of an epiphany
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  Speaker 1: that I taught, like I think a leak in my
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: game early in the season during you know, the NFL's
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  Speaker 1: set up of softer pricing and got to fill these
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  Speaker 1: million makers and all that, and then I turned it around.
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  Speaker 1: I told everybody week seven, Week eight is where it
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  Speaker 1: starts the fire and back to back pretty solid weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I think, just thinking back to last night and just
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  Speaker 1: going through some of my thoughts as I reviewed my work,
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  Speaker 1: how much it is about just like getting the winning
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  Speaker 1: teams pieces together. If someone said to you yesterday, is
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo gonna beat Carolina off the bie people said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna whip that ass, all right. Who could be
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  Speaker 1: part of that? Well, James Cook and Shakier could be
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  Speaker 1: part of that. Al was more expensive. Again, these are
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: current thoughts and they are on results now. It's not
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: being results oriented to how you win. It's just thinking
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: about applying this to the future. More than I built,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I built. I built bad tons of bad
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  Speaker 1: lineups seschally, and I'll show some of them off when
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: we get to that segment in the minute. I'll show
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  Speaker 1: my two lineups that did the best in the mid
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  Speaker 1: season main event that I think will be helpful in
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: explaining how I was explaining yesterday on the show about
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: on a slate like this where I think it's gonna
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: be again, I was wrong on this. It wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: lower scoring slate, But I want to play for that
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  Speaker 1: where if some of the chalk busts, I can still
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  Speaker 1: find my way to the top through ceiling outcomes. I'll
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  Speaker 1: show what that looks like. But just thinking about the
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: winning teams, Buffalo crush, Indy crush, here's Pittman and Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: Philly should crush Goddards, here's Denver. They should crush Franklin
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  Speaker 1: Bucks against the Saints. And someone said, I think it
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: was our guy Ryan here made a really good point.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about this a ton with these Sunday afternoon games. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not able to get to the stacks or
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  Speaker 1: the pieces within the game, why not take one of
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  Speaker 1: the running backs or one of the defenses or something
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  Speaker 1: like that to make it happen. Well, if people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be loading up on Rattler and Olave and Shaheed
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  Speaker 1: and anything else, why not get a piece of that
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: action this way? And we expect the Bucks to beat
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: the Saints. So again, winning team the Jets, that's a
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Breese hall Fitment play. You could easily move whatever you
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: don't like here. I mean, you could put Franklin down
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  Speaker 1: to Noelle for seven hundred bucks and move how much
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: was Barkley yesterday? It's very very close anyway, Franklin down
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  Speaker 1: would give you eight hundred dollars, you'd be a little
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  Speaker 1: bit short. I think of going to be one hundred
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  Speaker 1: bucks short or something of going Cook to Barkley and well,
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  Speaker 1: you'd lose some points along the way. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that you'd lose the full twenty four that was required,
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  Speaker 1: because Barkley still had a pretty good day and Noel,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I should say now that they got the pronunciation. A
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: bunch over there did not have this day, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was enough still be very close anyway, My point
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  Speaker 1: being there was alternatives to this lineup where you could
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  Speaker 1: have moved some pieces around and still hit pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, just my thought of like just thinking about
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  Speaker 1: those winning pieces and then finding some of those projection
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  Speaker 1: options or items that go with it to make it
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  Speaker 1: make sense. Anything else you want to add to this
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: lineup before we get into breaking down some of the
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just to like that point about changing, you know,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: potentially Brece Hall and Franklin, like Brice Hall himself was
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: in a great spot, like this was someone and I
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  Speaker 2: know you like the Flacco side a lot, and people
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: are really down on the Jets, but if they were
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: able to stay in this game since he stinks on defense,
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  Speaker 2: Bryce holl At like six to ten percent ownership was
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  Speaker 2: a really really good play to your point, like you
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  Speaker 2: didn't have to play him because there were other guys
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  Speaker 2: like Barkley who were just as good, but he himself
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  Speaker 2: was a really really good play. So I think it
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  Speaker 2: just goes to the overall point of even though the
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  Speaker 2: best plays weren't great yesterday, there were still other guys
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  Speaker 2: in good spots, and those guys just happened to do better.
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  Speaker 1: So my main lineup that I threw up on the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: site and I talked about on leverage Lane was Flacco
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  Speaker 1: Chase Higgins. It started a lot stronger and obviously hurts.
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  Speaker 1: Some three touchdowns come from Chase Brown and samaj p Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: But of note, we knew that Chase Brown was also
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  Speaker 1: in a good spot. We said this on the show.
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  Speaker 1: There was definitely ways you could have got to him.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: That's why we loved the stone. You got the report
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: card right here, But my runbacks I didn't have them
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: in my core. But everyone who was in the golden
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: shipper or saw my main line up in one hundred
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: dollars single entry. It was Bryce Hall and Mason Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: I actually overstacked that game. I thought it was an
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: interesting spot. Both had pretty good stack rankings, bad pass D,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: bad rush D. Thought justin fields made it easier for
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: them to find a way in this game to be
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: able to keep it pushed so that you'd be able
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  Speaker 1: to see. Sometimes people forget that for Flacco Chase Higgins
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: to get there, you want them to be pushed. The
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  Speaker 1: Jets literally push them all the way to a thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine thirty eight victory, which was pretty wild in itself
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  Speaker 1: when you think about life and Earth and all the
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  Speaker 1: way things happened. I don't want to get too wooy
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  Speaker 1: on people, but like the Nick Mangold thing, obviously very
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  Speaker 1: sad news. Forty one years old passes away, he's from
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  Speaker 1: the area, and they go into play against the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: and get the win and pull it off in the
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  Speaker 1: end for him. So I mean, just the way life goes.
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  Speaker 1: It's obviously super sad news, but the storylines and things
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  Speaker 1: they come with it are always interesting to follow along.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a crazy game back and forth got
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  Speaker 1: all the points we wanted. I just didn't have those
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: touchdowns there, but in other lineups definitely had Chase Brown.
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  Speaker 1: So when you see that stuff, it makes a ton
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  Speaker 1: of sense. I talked to it earlier, just looking at
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the stone quickly before we get to some of these
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: lineup breakdowns, Jijon obviously looked really good and optimal, nowhere
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  Speaker 1: near correct on ownership, and if you're off by that much,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: it really affects things, and people tell you the truth
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the time. Some sites won't show it off or or
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: own up to when they're wrong, but like at the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: end of the day, they also showing they're fully right.
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  Speaker 1: Of course that's a nice way to do things, but
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: this really affects things because it adds ownership in other
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: places because you have to account for it and then
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you don't know. But like you know, for me, Aham
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: was rolling for a bit. He looked pretty good. On
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  Speaker 1: the other side, James Cook huge solid fifteen percent to
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  Speaker 1: be optimal and in this spot big time favorites twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven and a half point team total. It's equalized as
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: far as the Russian and pass defense type of matchup,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: so we can see how this goes coming off of
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  Speaker 1: by solid leverage there. So obviously he was a play
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  Speaker 1: that you could get to in your lineups. We had
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: him right as high as being cash cash game biable,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and again most people said, well, you'd never play him
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: in cash. Yet all those are options. This is fine
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: as a cash consideration. But the point is if you
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  Speaker 1: could consider someone for cash, even if they're on the outskirts,
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  Speaker 1: you obviously have that opportunity. That's a thirty five point
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  Speaker 1: ceiling there. We just saw it. He actually beat his
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  Speaker 1: ceiling thirty six point six there. So either way, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just some of those thoughts I want to put together,
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  Speaker 1: I do want to give a huge congrats to our
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  Speaker 1: guynn twenty nineteen, another one hundred k winner over at
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  Speaker 1: ship at Nation we had our man you know, shep
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  Speaker 1: Dog is in here right now, twenty five hundred bucks
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  Speaker 1: with a ship it joining the winner circle. He hit
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  Speaker 1: us up. Shout out to him, our man Marley four
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Our guy wins a lot, who's always there
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  Speaker 1: to wish everybody a good morning every single day in basketball,
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars ship where you probably saw the NBA
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  Speaker 1: streets this morning. And then official vic said, first bink
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  Speaker 1: of the NBA season hit four hundred plus club thousand
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  Speaker 1: bucks there, so all over it as far as NBA
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  Speaker 1: and NFL are concerned. Absolutely love to see that. Talk
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: about our stack rankings quick, Matt. I don't know if
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: you have had enough time, you know, obviously new to
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the site and joining us and going through all this stuff,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but this is where we seem to see it every
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: single week. Nid's when he's usually on. He's traveling back
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: today and you're here with us for the foreseeable future anyway,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to be on the show with us. I think this
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is interesting to look at. Obviously there's gonna be some
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: misses along the way, can't be perfect, but I think
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: there's some really good hits here. And again just looking
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: at these stacks, anything that stands out for you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean not really like as you know, I really
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: like Rattler coming into this slate. So easy to say
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: that it was an awful play now because he was awful,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: but I do think that he got undone by you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: turnovers have been his you know, have done him in.
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  Speaker 2: That's really been the part where he's been bad at
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  Speaker 2: anything all season, and yesterday it came to fruition again.
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  Speaker 2: He fumbled after he scrambled, you know, on a tackle
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  Speaker 2: that the guy got him from behind. And then he
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: threw that pick six where the guy like tipped it
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: up in the air. The offense just couldn't do anything,
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  Speaker 2: so then he got benched. That being said, the offense
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't doing anything. So it's not like if he stayed
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: in he was going to be really good. They were
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  Speaker 2: really cheap and in a good spot against Tampa at home.
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  Speaker 2: Rattler's underlying numbers have been a lot better than people think.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: You know. Again, I'm not sure what's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: with him going forward, and yesterday turned me off completely.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing that stands out the most when you
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  Speaker 2: look at this. But from a value perspective, it made
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  Speaker 2: a ton of sense. Man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about this all the time. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I was in on it. Funny story. Actually, if anyone
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: saw the fan duel result for me yesterday, that was
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  Speaker 1: a fifteen thousand dollars late swap with one pass away.
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  Speaker 1: It was the end of the game. Cam Ward to DK.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk about this in a second, but just he
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  Speaker 1: threw it to DK, it was I thought it was
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in his hands. If you look at the replay, it
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: looks like it's going directly into his hands. And it
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: was just almost like the the Seahawks New England super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl where it was like in his hands till it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't and then you're like, oh shit, the Patriots just
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  Speaker 1: won the super Bowl. It was like, oh shit, I
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: didn't win one hundred K. I thought DK had it.
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  Speaker 1: That was going to be the bonus, the touchdown for
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: both him and cam Ward. That would have put me
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  Speaker 1: to the top and win one hundred K. So when
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  Speaker 1: you know it's not close, it that's how close it is.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: That was the sweat. It was really that close. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that was a late swap though Matt. I had Rattler, Olave, Shaheed,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Tez Johnson, and Rashad White, but I also had Bijon
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  Speaker 1: and it Alanta with Barkley and Goddard. So I was
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  Speaker 1: just hoping for kind of three things to happen this
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  Speaker 1: game to go off, Bijon and Atlanta to get there together,
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  Speaker 1: the d hopefully would separate me. But that got steamed
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a little obviously got the London news. I felt even
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: better about it as we talked about you know, that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: was the mistake, but that's fine. Again, I don't want
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to keep calling a mistake. I justuppa to say that
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: there was definitely a thought process that's not results oriented
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that could make you think differently about that spot afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, I had Barkley and Goddard and they crushed,
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  Speaker 1: so I was in good shape. But I said, you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: know what, I look at all these lineups in this
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: higher stakes tournament and they're they're just filled with positions left.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And I know it's this Tampa New Orleans game. There's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: just no ownership. We talked about on the show yesterday.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Nobody was really getting to this Denver Dallas, so I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: could not be stuck. I'll tell you what. Rattler ended
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: up being eight percent. Everyone else was twenty three percent
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: or higher. Of the four guys that I owned that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I had. Originally, what I decided was the this is
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: an art not science, Matt. You probably can can appreciate
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: this one. Who do you you just know is getting
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: there on fit FanDuel When when ten thousand dollars bejan fails,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you just know ten thousand dollars, two hundred dollars, ten thousand,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars Jonathan Taylor is getting there, so I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: was like, how do I get this guy in. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: did talk about it on the show yesterday. I even
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned Gunner Helm and those guys too, But I said,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I got to look at this stack and it was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: my guy, Alex we're doing the Leverage Lane show with me,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that brought this up, and it was if you had
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  Speaker 1: cam Ward with DK and with Ioman or by the way,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: there's no Ridley and other stuff there. It got me
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor and then it still got me a piece
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: of the Denver game, which I asked Alex about this week.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I'll give him props, you know again personally as well
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: as on the show next week. But I said, if
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it's not your Marvin Mims guy this week, who would
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it be from Denver? He said, A one Troy Franklin.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly where my lineup landed. So I had
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: no Tampa Bay, New Orleans, just hope that it busts.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I have it in other places. And I ended up
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: late swapping to that and that ended up being a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars positive blatee swap and gave me a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: full shot at the.
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  Speaker 2: Hunter that deserves a round of applause. That's about it
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: as good as it gets for a late slap for
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: like one lineup. I mean, because you're always tilting that
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: whoever you don't, whoever you take out is going to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: go nuts. So mad respect for that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Man, appreciate it. I think people need to recognize again,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to you know, big up the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: fifteen k or something that as much as the process
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: piece you you can't to me anyway, you cannot go
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: into the afternoon with the same stuff everybody else has
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and hope to gain a MI in cash. You can
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: gain the min cash quicker by finding that late swap
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: separation where maybe even if you get three of those
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: pieces right like just Jonathan Taylor, by the way, got
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: me the min cash. It was the chance to not
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: only get the min cash but also get the hundred
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: k that makes it worth it even further. That's how
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: people need to be thinking looking at It's.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Funny that you say that because I had two in
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that big mid season event. I had two fields lineups,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and you know both of them, you know, Werek full
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: stacks really with Breese and no wide receivers and Mason
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Taylor and Chase and Higgins and Chase both running backs
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: from that game. I had a couple pieces left in
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: either of them, in both of them, and I had
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, both of them were good, but they weren't
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: at the top and they weren't gonna get to the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: top with guys other people had. So instead of Tess Johnson,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I played Sterling Shepherd, who ended up like under one
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: percent owned, kind of in the same vein that you're
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: talking about, Like I had the money tes Johnson was
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: probably he was. He projected a little bit better, slightly
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: better pland paper, but he was like owned, and Shephard
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: was under one percent. So and it ended up costing
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: me money not playing test there because he got like
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: seven more points. But I would do that again every
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: day of the week with the chance to win the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Millie there.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one percent. And I can't talk about this more,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: but I will just for two seconds of saying like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: because the Chad just asked that, my guy Andrews said
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: so you basically like, so yeah, So here's the thing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: If even if this lineup, like, I have no fear.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: This is what's funny, Like usually you have the phonemo
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: to your point of like oh man, it really would
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: have sucked at Tampa Bay. Now it would have been
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for a min cash. There was no way I'm getting there,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And even then the mincash would have been a struggle
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: based on the ownership on all of these guys in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that game as a whole. So you have to be
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: willing to risk that, but know the game, know what
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: other people are doing, pay attention to it, and then
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: look for opportunity. That was the way to do it. Also,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he missed dial Manner on a wide open walk in
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: touchdown earlier in the game too. That would be like
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a butterfly effect thing. But I think in general, just
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: looking at things like that, it was a way that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: even if three of my guys got there, it could
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: have been really good. If JT at least gets there.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You never know the outcome you're gonna get from Franklin,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: JT and all those guys. But I had the opportunity
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and that's all I could give myself and it turned
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: out to work out this time. But I would never
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: be mad even if the Tampa Bay New Orleans game
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: got there, because at most I was looking at was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: probably fighting for a min cash. Riding the min cash
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: line just makes no sense. Wait, it almost got there,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Like it really did.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Like you know, I feel like anyone who's saying, oh,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: it didn't almost get there is just a straight hater
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: because clearly it was close, and you're talking about like
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: a player. Now, sure you can go back in a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: lot of other games and see other plays, but this
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: was at the end of the game. Uh yeah, that's.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It was the end of the slave. Basically the other
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: game was the blowout. This was done. There were everyone
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: was backups. Now at this point r J. Harvey'd already
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: scored that last touchdown. This was they had three chances
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: down in that end zone. And then you know what
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: drives me nuts is like all the broadcasts can talk
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: about is developing cam Ward. I'm never, you know, cheering
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: for this spot unless I late swak to it. So
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that's the only reason I care, obviously. But the point
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: was like they're like, oh, they really got to develop
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: this guy. What what do they do? They set up
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a wildcat at the goal line for like what one drive?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: The next drive is just a rushing touchdown. It's like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: why don't you let the guy throw it for four
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: downs and teach him what it's like to be in
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that position down there when he has pressure, and they
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: talk about it is so true. When you get down
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that close to the end zone, it's almost like an
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: extra defender gets added because you're now going up against
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: such a short window and only so much room for
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: guys to hit their routes and get open and do things.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: It's not like he has the top tier receivers. It's whatever.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's the Titans we're laughing about here, so you get
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: what you you go with. But at the end of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the day, it was the right. All I care about
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: was the concept. Like our guy little Neck says, who's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: been absolutely crushing it in his NBA debut on the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on the Showdown stuff an NFL side and getting everybody
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: hooked up in the discord says, you shouldn't even feel fomo.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: No one has one with That's exactly it. There would
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: have been no worries if I didn't get there. When
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you would feel it is if you had a tricky decision,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like if you're in, you know, fifth place in a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety dollars f FWCQ and you see
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that you have the same money left as someone else
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and you have to decide like block or whatever. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: in this case, you're probably blocking them, meaning you're playing
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the better two plays, but you kind of had something else,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: so you thought about something else and then you changed it,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and then they didn't actually have what you thought they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: had or they went to something different. Then you're like, damn,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I could have just held strong. And then that's where
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you really feel the fomo. But something like this not
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: at all all Right, we'll look at some more lineups
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: in a bit from us. But let's look at some
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of these winning lineups here. We'll start with the Millionmaker
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: winner and then we'll actually see what some of the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: other top players that we respected with their exposure pools,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because to be honest, I would have thought we would
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: have saw a lot more names up here. You know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: there's Nerdy shout out to him, JBC is there, you
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: see that Stunna. I know a man. Hoop was up
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: there for a while. Again back to back weeks, Petty
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Theft is up there. There's Hoop. Yeah, fifty first place.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So hoops sign Up was a similar concept to the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: optimal and also kind of the way that I like
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to you know that I just mentioned I'd like to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: start building more of of Indies should win, Philly should win,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Tampa should win. Wow, he really got crushed by Buca. Man,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that sucks. Buffalo should win if the Jets win, it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: because bres Al and New English. Like, this is a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: really solid lineup. Of course it's in a portfolio, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: just you know, not hand picking it. But that was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the one that had the best year.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And another one up there too with Tyler Johnson. I
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: think that's probably the one you were talking about, Like
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: for a lot of the day was really really up.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: There, Mason Taylor. Here's the Tyler Johnson one. Yeah, man,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: look at this. Jamar Digs All these guys just didn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: do nothing for him. That sucks either way. Two back
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: to back weeks for him getting really close up there
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: with that, and you know it's hard to even get
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to the top one hundred and those, let alone back
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to back weeks with multiples up there. So good for
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: him and I'm sure the big ones on the horizon.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Let's look at BS Golfer seven. It's not often we
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: can get this update and be able to actually see
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: these winners. They've been slacking on getting the data in here,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but this was the winning lineup. It was a Tua
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Wattle no run back. It was James Cook with the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Buffalo d It was a couple of indie guys in
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Pittman and Taylor. It was Hutchinson as one of the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: lower owned leverage options with Kittle as a secondary, and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: then Reese Hall to round it out for the Jets
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: side of things. What do you think of this lineup?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: This lineup's nutty. I mean, there's no like disrespect to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it at all because it won a Millie, But you
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: know it's it's out there for sure, like you can
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: make reasonable like when you pick it apart, you can
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: certainly go in and see why. You know, each play
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: is a good play based on, you know what, a
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: lot of what you like to do, Like Hutchinson for instance,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: was the lowest stone out of Noel and Higgins. But man,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: just a lot of wild cards, I should say in
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: this lineup.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is that,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, it still fits some of the mold of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: what you think could happen on a slate. But it's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: not like the the I guess the Wattle situation. We've
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: got a little bit more information on We've seen what
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it's been like for him as a quote unquote wide
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: receiver one or trying to be one, it hasn't always
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: worked out. But in this case, even then it was
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a twenty point game. It's it's more than enough. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: it's not like he broke the slate or something. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: do like this little flip here, like instead of like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it's like a double on Tandra because instead of going
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to or maybe even like a triple because instead of
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: going to Schultz, you're not playing him, you're playing George Kittle.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Instead of going to Schultz and going to Pole, you're
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: going to Hutchinson. So you get that little secondary stack,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: but in a really high leverage way that most people
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: won't have. That combo, you play both Taylor and Pittman. Again,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you don't have the money for Daniel Jones, so you're
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: playing the two A side. If you're not gonna be
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: on you know, anybody from that since E side, whether
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it's Chase Brown, Jamar, Chase t Higgins, whatever it might be,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: or the defense or anything. I don't mind playing bres Hal. Also,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: people have to remember yesterday Breese Hall was a leverage
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: play against the Cincy defense. The sin CD was getting
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was also I don't I don't want to say out
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of control. Let me check the numbers on it. But
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: what what was the the sin CD on the slate?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Twenty seven hundred?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can I find it here?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Since hed was fourteen percent owned, So again it's not
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: high versus one hundred percent, but for a defense, that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: obviously yeah, very high for a defense. So just noting
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that there was that factor to it as well. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: then you had the the Buffalo combo pack there again
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: against Carolina, good spot makes sense if your parents, how
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: does James Cook get there? Typically Buffalo's leading the game,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: they're up huge, and he gets the rushing that causes it,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit more because they're up there.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: So it's it's not crazy to me. I think it's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a fine lineup, and at the end of the day
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: it blew out second place. This was what I was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: talking about though yesterday, of like again looking for some
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of these ceiling opportunities. Maybe two is not where you're
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: gonna find it. But also you gotta remember only forty
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: eight hundred, but people liked cousins, people like Beijon. If
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that was gonna happen, you'd think it would have to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: push these guys. You don't need to run it back.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: But I think the bigger thing is like under one percent,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: ten percent, under ten percent, under five percent, under ten percent.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: This is where it's like, sure, but that makes you
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: get away with everything else. But yeah, overall, really high
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: leverage lineup, that's to me not that bad when you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: think about just secondary stacks. Teams that should win or
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: if they're going to win, it could put them in
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a spot for these things to come through, like presall
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: like Cook with his defense, So anything else you got
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to add on this one. If not, well, let's look
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: at some of these exposures.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the most interesting thing for me and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: when I met like Nutty, I mostly met wild in
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the sense that since he scored thirty eight points, no one,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and since no one from Sincey in this lineup, Philly
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: scored a ton of points, no one from Philly in
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: this lineup, Denver scored a ton of points, no one
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: from Denver in this lineup, So just really really interesting
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in that regard.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Crazy that in the second place lineup, well you do
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: see some of the similar stuff Like Noel, you get
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the high leverage and something like Tampa Bay et cetera,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: et cetera. But you do see Goddard with Devonte Smith,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and I know everyone was all against the Josh Allen
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: he had to rush some in and do all this stuff.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: But obviously he could have got there, but you know
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: they fit him in with everything so really close on
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: this the next line. I'm not close on the scorecard,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you know, but it was even a high delta from
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: second to third. You don't often see like thirteen points,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: seven points and then everybody tight. You don't see that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: too often, right.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: A twenty point difference between first and third is extremely
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: rare in that size contest.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jerry Matt, who's an awesome dude, says, you
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: know a lot of contrally and leverage plays on the Millie,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: which happens three or four times season only wild one
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: that produced only while one that produced that surprises me
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: is the to of Wattle. This does play a lot
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of starters that that's your ladder point. That's so important
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: here to we've seen again, it's not like they played
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: good at all. They played horrible. But that's what I
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: always tell people about. They come into these shows like, yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: they do good. They've been bad for seven weeks. Yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: well week eight. It's week eight, it's has zero to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not the first seven weeks, and anything
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: can happen. He played better with one eye than he
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: did with two, so you see how it works. Sometimes
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: he came out and just went off. I think in general,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this lineup is actually not the lie. Again, Jerry, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: respect everything you're talking about here. I'm just saying in general,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it's not even a shot at you, but the line
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and you're not not even saying this, but when people
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: talk about those over leveraged lineups that they're like, Wow,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that's insane. This is not that for me. Like, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: really don't think it's that crazy to hone in on
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Buffalo and Indie some secondary stacks that a lot of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: people were already trying to find, Like if you're not
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: on CMC and Noel, why not have Kittle and hutch
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Like it's I get it, like I honestly do. And
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: maybe the hutch play is throwing people off, but because
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: but when you have Schultz and when you have Noel
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: as popular plays, why not Hutchinson. He'd already had a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: touchdown this season too, So I don't know. I think
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty solid lineup. To me, it makes sense.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a solid lineup. I mean, I think people
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: are just really thrown off by the Tua and Waddle
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: like combo here, especially with the news coming in of
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Tua being sick and stuff. But that just goes to
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: your point, like each week is its own entity. Like, sure,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you have to take what we saw in the first
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: seven weeks and you can't just totally disregard them, but
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you also can't say that because that happened in the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: first seven weeks, that will definitely happen in week eight.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And because he had such low ownership on those guys
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and they were so cheap, gave him so much leeway
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and other spots on the lineup. So yeah, to your point,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: really really well built lineup. I'm sure it was clearly
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: in a portfolio, but you know, nice plays all around,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: for sure. I wish it were mine.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, same page on this, Jerry, I think
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in general, like for Jerry Matt eighty eight for those
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: in don't know but just noting it. But yeah, this
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: is exactly and it's definitely not the crazy lineup when
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: people look at it, like what you know, the ones
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Matt where it's like that's such a shitty lineup, but
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: at least he won the Millie, so you can't hate
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: on him. Like, yes, that's what people like to say,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but I think that lineup was actually fine. A lot
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: of it makes sense too, by the way, Like it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it's leveraged in different ways that some might not think about,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and whether or not they meant to, I don't know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: But like if you're playing TUA and waddle, how many
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: people have bije on there instead of JT. See what
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like right levels to it. There's other thought
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: processes that have to go into it that you're thinking
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: about now. I know a lot of people don't play
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a portfolio or play one fifty. These are very sound
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: process pieces you can apply to your own handbuilds or
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: your main entries or whatever it is that you want
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to do, or when you are virtually handbuilding, look for
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: these things in your set.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, just to that point. Also, like how
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: you were saying that, you know, sometimes people win MILLI
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: lineups with you know, lineups that other people really really criticize,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: And sure there is something to that, but there's also
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: something to be like to getting away from the group
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: think and doing stuff for yourself and trying to get
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: first in one hundred and seventy thousand person tournament. So
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: even if the lineup like is a little bit out there,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a bad thing in tournaments, especially
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of the size.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to showcase one more thing. Someone
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: talks about it. You know, Andrew Againsa's seeing second place
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Alan Cook lineup. Saber likes to give me it didn't work,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and not because it came say it worked for one
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: hundred k. It's nothing against the player that you. I'm
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: just telling you, like I've told you guys one hundred times,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it didn't even work. Cook worked and it led to that,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: but Josh Allen every time Cook got in hurt Josh Allen,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and they actually were priced much better then you'll see.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Typically people are looking at it from like Jalen Hurts
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: at seventy five hundred and a eight thousand dollars or
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: seventy nine hundred dollars. Barkley even worse because of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Tush push again results is looking at it and saying, oh,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it almost won first of all, it did and it
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: was thirteen points back second of all, everything he does
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: hurts him, so it'll give it to you again. You can,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you can. You're allowed to manipulate the setup. You're allowed
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to change what you do in there. It's it's not
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: saying it can't work. It's not saying it doesn't correlate
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and make sense. Of course it can. We see onslaughts win.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I don't avoid these. I'm just telling you when you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: sit there and say it gives me these, and you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: know it was the second place lineup, it doesn't. It
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that it finished second. That's just the result
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of this particular lineup. Even looking at like this, like
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones sixty one hundred, obviously when ninety five hundred dollars,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: where was it here? This one didn't have it. This
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: one has Jonathan Taylor to show a score though when
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: he gets forty. It affects Daniel Jones getting to his
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: thirty CEO thirty plus that you'd kind of want to see,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: or you're Michael Pittman stacks with Daniel Jones, or if
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you had Warren in there, which probably nobody up here
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: has him, but trying to see if there was one, yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Warren nine, Like that's what stops these things from happening,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And this lineup could have done a lot more if
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: DK catches that touchdown, or if some of that tailor
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: love from forty points gets spread out to Let's say
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: one of those touchdown goes to Daniel Jones and Warren. Well,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: now you're adding ten more points here. Now you're up
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to two seventeen. That's a ninety five thousand dollars swing,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and Jonathan Taylor comes back some but it wouldn't quite
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: be enough. So yeah, it's basically yeah, Jonathan Taylor's there.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: So this guy here wins, Ondred wins one hundred grand
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: instead if just one of those Taylor touchdowns goes a get.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: If some butts, we know this, I'm I'm the first
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: to go there. I'm saying that's how you have to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: see this stuff. So as far as the stacking question goes,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is it viable and does it work and does it simulate? Well, yes,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: it's very fine. I'm just saying it's still something you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: want to monitor in the pricing factor, and we usually
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: talk about that when it comes to Hurts and Barkley
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: because the Tush push factor extends it even further.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, now, yeah, I gotta jump in here because
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I think all the points he made are really good.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: My pushback would be. And it's not like you don't
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: know this, you're just saying the other side of this.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for the outlier results, right, I'm looking for
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the times that QB throws touchdown passes to the running backs. Now. Certainly,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: like yesterday in my fields line up, I played Breys
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and Chase Brown Brice Hall. Storing those touchdowns on the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: ground hurt field. But if one of those is through
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the air, then all of a sudden you're looking at
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: like a much more massive score. So I don't think
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: it's something where you look at and you're like, I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: don't want to play quarterbacks with running backs. I also
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: don't think it's something you want to look at and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: be like, I have to play a running back with
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: my quarterback in every lineup, you know what I mean?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Price matters so much, and people ignore this. We play
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: a salary based game. When you're pairing up a forty
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: four hundred dollars quarterback in cousins with Bijon, well, it
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: didn't work yesterday. Now you're looking at like thirteen or
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: grand for two guys. Where you think the guy just
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: at eighty eight hundred alone could break the slate and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: score forty and do well for that. It's when you're
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: looking at eight K and seven K or seven K
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and seventy five hundred and all the price matters.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: That's a great point. That's a really really great point, and.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I want to extrapolate on it so people get it
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: further because it goes to the passing game too. When
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: it's Burrow for seventy five hundred and Chase for ninety
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: five hundred and Higgins for seventy six hundred, that takes
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: so much work to get there, and that's what people
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: can understand. Well, well, cam Ward, DK and Io Manor
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: are not. And I'm using this as a random example,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: but just the first thing, when those guys were at
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: full price, full pop pricing for those three Bengals, they're
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: not the same players, but that's priced in. But we
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: need fantasy points. If that stack goes off, you are
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: getting a QB one, QB one wide receiver, one, whye
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: receiver one, why receiver two. You're getting the same combo,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: but you don't need the same output because it's you're
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: getting it for like what was what would it be five, six, seven, eight,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: nine tailouts of.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: There, and they're not getting Jonathan Taylor with it like
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you did yesterday.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Is the point you're getting three for two, you getting
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: your buy two get one free on that set up,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and then you're getting a running back that's way more
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: likely to put up forty or ken put up forty
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a lot more so. Things like that matter fields breasee
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: much cheaper exactly like it did it work out? No,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like those are the examples where we're
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: talking twelve K versus six team K and the four
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: grand is the difference from your your fifty five hundred
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: dollars running back that you're trying to figure out versus
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: your ninety five hundred dollars Jonathan Taylor forty point output
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: with a minus four to twenty five to score and
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: like one hundred and three yard all purpose props on
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the ground, you know, all purpose. So just noting that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: type of stuff I think is pretty interesting. Let's see
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: some names we know that scored some cash. Here, that's done,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: is a good dude. I'll check his profile for a second.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Here he went under. I'm I'm just this is what
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I think is interesting about doing this type of exercise, Matt,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and then we'll look at a couple more lineups and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: get out of here. But Bijon ended up coming in
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: fifty five percent in this twenty dollars Do you think
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: this was a field stand and then all of a
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: sudden it got it boosts even sixteen percent higher, Like
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: if you look, I mean, forty's a pretty solid number.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: You had to think he was somewhere in that forty
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: percent range. It looks almost like he was like, I'll
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: just take the field on this guy, but I'm gonna
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: get way over on Breese Hall, for example. And then
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: this is like, holy shit, I can't believe he came
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: in at sixty.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he ended up. And that's kind of how my
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: set was in the big in the twenty dollars millige,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: where I just kind of wanted to be on the
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: field that Beijon ended up under because he ended up
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: so much higher owned than you know, was expected. And
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: to go back to that second place line up real quick,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: because I think the point that you were almost making
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and I might be off here that lineup had cookn Alan,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: but it came in second like despite allan Allan was
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: not like the reason it came in second, it's just
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: everything around it was so you didn't certainly didn't need Alan,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: and actually you would have been better off with a
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: lot of other guys other than Alan.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, where, let's see if I can find someone
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: said it to you, like you see a lot of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks nicks. So herts had twenty five that's two more
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and eleven hundred dollars or sorry a nine hundred dollars
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: because I think he was what sixty six hundred yesterday? Yeah,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: so anyway where you spend it, I don't know, but
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: he you would have just as easily went with your
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Smith Goddard play your little combo here instead, if you
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: want to do that and hope that Shakira does something
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: in that range, or use Shakir as a way to
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: boost and get even more money out of something else.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Because you had to punt to knowl and Franklin, you
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: wo had had eleven hundred dollars more, you could have
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: went up and got something totally different here if you
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: just do that same lineup with the quarterback that goes
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: with this two pass catchers where I think, excuse me,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: if these two hit their actual ceiling. Like I said yesterday,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I think Hurtz comes along a lot more than you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: need Alan with Cook and Shakir. Again, an optimizer gave this.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: It's leverage, it's unique, it's different. I get it support
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: all that. We have partnerships with Sabersim. That's the best
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: optimizer out there. When you put our stuff in and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: combine the two of them together, I don't see a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: better combination on the market. But my point being it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it's easy to nitpick it afterwards, but a lot of
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: people asking and watching this are trying to apply this
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to their single entry stuff or trying to apply this
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to their main build. If you landed here, I would
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: just go Hurts, not even results oriented, Like if these
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: guys sealing out. If you get two DeVonta Smith touchdowns
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: on the bonus and one touchdown and a good day
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: from Godard in a onesie position, that's three touchdowns, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: then whatever tush push you get or something at a
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: jail and Hurts he would smash for eleven hundred bucks
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: less you'd be able to do whatever you want. Maybe
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: it's just pumped Shakira up to someone else. That's sixty
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: two hundred I don't know, and maybe that's Digs or
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: someone I don't know who's sixty two hundred on this slate. No,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you do actually go back here, put Noel here, which
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: makes sense, and get Breese Hall in your lineup and
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: boom you in the Millye win the milly, Yeah, win
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the MILLI prime example. Yeah, just a prime example. It's
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you can't it's easy to see it after with results.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: A lot of people get their heads stuck in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: mud on that. That's not what we're doing. We're saying,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: how could you apply some process to a lineup here
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that would make some sense and that would make sense,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And that's just finding the nut. Outcome is what makes
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: it tricky. But yeah, we're just giving you an example.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: So all right, I'll skip off this. I'm curious to
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: see maybe, like let's just go back here to the
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: one fifty shady what did he have? Exposures? Bijon thirty five?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: A lot of the people I'm seeing that the play
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: had what did you have to him? Bijon forty three?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Or I mean everyone, everyone's kind of sitting in that
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: forty percent range, not one to commit too much. Soa
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: UTICAO had sixty one percent, So if you feel bad
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: about playing them, I mean you feel good about these spots.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Are Man Hoop forty one percent? About the field, I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: think like a lot more people are kind of coming
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: in that forty percent range. Nerdy had thirty six percent,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: so a lot of the best players were up in
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: that range. My guy Breeze is a super underrated player
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that just crushes, you know, fifty percent. Kind of feeling
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that range right right. People weren't trying to get too overweight.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Dicao was overweight, my man Squirrel Patrol forty five percent.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people in this range.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like Bijon was one of the what was
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: one of those ones yesterday where the less ball, you know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the better because Bijon is so good Miami is so
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: bad that it's like, how do you not want to
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: just play Bijon? You know what I mean? Like he's
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: so good, Miami's so bad. But that's the FS for you.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again same, we already gave this one. But
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: it can happen. That's what people got to you know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying to turn it off. I'm just telling
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: if you're looking at your lineup and I use the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: James the Josh Allen one as the prime example. There
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: definitely a spot where you could have made it would
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: have made a lot more sense if you were looking
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: at it to build it with Hurts and just get
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: what you get. I made the obviously get to Breese
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and win the Millie. That's the that's the cheater way
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: of like saying like, yeah, you could do that and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: get to the Millie. But I'm just saying that it
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: made more sense with Hurts in there to not cannibalize
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the top piece, to give the full ceiling to those
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: other guys maybe still rushes in and takes from Berkley,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: who you're also not on. And then on top of it,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it just all makes more sense together and it gives
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you eleven hundred bucks where you choose to spend it
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: up to you, the lineup just would have made more sense.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: All right, let's look at the eleven eleven. This is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the winner. You can decipher this one first, and I'm
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: gonna show a couple of my lineups to just talk
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: through process and you get your thoughts on it as well.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: But here's bo Nix to Franklin, no runback Taylor with
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: his defense James Cook, Breesehall Waddle with Mooney Minnie and
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: then the Bressaw Taylor is actually a mini combo pack,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: which again makes a lot more sense. You're talking about
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: eighty six hundred or sorry, ninety six hundred dollars for
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: two guys that don't require fields to come along with
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: them and could easily just still put it together against
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the Bengals. What's your thoughts on this lineup?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Well, my first thought as that the Breshall to Mason
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Taylor touchdown pass certainly didn't hurt this lineup help mine
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: also because you got the half back pass. You know,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: obviously not going to get that all that often, but
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: when it does, having both of them is certainly gonna help.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: My thoughts on this lineup were obviously no Beijeon in
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: this tournament was passive because he was even higher on here,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: or he was close to about the same. I think
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: he was what fifty five here, so he was about
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the same, yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Fifty eight. This is another thing in the high stakes
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: where shit just gets out of hand, like almost forty
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: percent Mooney, forty percent Dalton Schultz, Like it's a onesie
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: position that you can break. This is this is the thing,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: So we'll look at it and see. But when the
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: chalk condenses even more in the higher stake stuff, this
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: is where you can find some of that leverage. And
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: this lineup had a less than ten percent Wattle, less
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: than ten percent Franklin, less than ten percent Taylor defense
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: to cut into Taylor, and also Taylor well twenty eight
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: percent to your point, thirty percent less than Bijon. That's
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: a massive gap in a large field like this where
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: he can crush him like he did forty to whatever.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So that that helps for sure.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like I mean, you said it best, like
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: you took the words out of my mouth. A thirty
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: percent ownership gap between Taylor and Beijeon here is just insane.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Obviously no one expected that going in this lineup. Played
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: played his cards right, you know, very low owned Franklin.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, Wattle was really good. The nuts scores
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you needed yesterday were from the running back position and
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: he had three of the four and didn't play Bijon.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: That's what got him there.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yep. Really good lineup overall. Congrats to Brad Batton. I'm
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: gonna look up and see if I can find I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: had four tickets to this yesterday I played seven total.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: This was the lineup on the show. I'm gonna bring
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: this one up because we talked about this yesterday and
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I said, I actually found a Daniel Jones lineup that
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: was and it was creeping up until Jonathan Taylor continues
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to go off. But of note that was I think
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: that was helping this one. When we look at my
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: my cousin's lineup that again trying to get different with
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: it didn't work. I had a bon Nick's lineup that
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I'll show you. I'll show you these top three that
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: cash just to give you some ideas of how I'm
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: thinking about things and get your thoughts. But this is
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: when I said, I'm gonna try and cover angles here
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: and see how it works out. And so I went with,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm gonna leave out Bijeon and play
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: a Chan. I'm gonna play that. The game script flips
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and so I'm starting there. I'm also gonna play Jones, Pittman,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and war Or and nobody's paying up at tight end.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I don't need a run back in this one. I
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: did like that spot. I talked about that game a
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: bunch and I end up even going to the ward stuff.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Like I said, my light swap on FanDuel, but just
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: noting it, it was, okay, if I'm not on Bijon
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm not on Taylor, how does that work? Oh,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and go a Shan instead of Bijeon.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna run Jones, Pittman, and Warren, which flips the
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: build a little bit, but it's also gonna keep me balanced.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Who are the other balanced running backs? Well? Why not
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley And to flip the Tampa Bay New
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Orleans game, I'm gonna go with Kamara and the New
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Orleans d talked about that earlier. Someone had it in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: the chat. I'm not playing Chase Brown or Jamar Chase.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw in Higgins as the one off
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: in this one, obviously, like Joe Flacco. I had him
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in one of my mains and then in my Maine
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: actually and it didn't cash in this, but just noting
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this Franklin as a piece of the Denver Dallas game.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: So I really try to think about it. I'm not
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: gonna over correlate, but I'm not gonna avoid the good
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: spots and I'm gonna look for leverage on the chalk.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Look at all these guys under ten percent, even though
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: many of them were close. That's these are the guys
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I look for. They're they're good plays. People are talking
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: about them, but they're not clicking them right three percent.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So give me your thoughts on this, But I feel
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: like I covered what a lot of people were thinking about,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: just in a different way.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really good way to look at it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: First off, what you just said, I never really thought
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: about it like that, But I'm definitely gonna take that
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and put that into my memory bank. You know, when
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the guys are like ten to fifteen, eight to fifteen
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: percent on NFL slates, they're good plays. People just think
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: there are slightly or better plays. But that doesn't mean
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: that those good plays can't be better. I really like
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: that way of looking at it. I think you're spot
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: on in this proster construction. Honestly, when I look at
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: this compared to the winning lineup, the only real reason
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: that winning lineup got there over a lineup like this
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: is because of Bryce Hall and James Cook going absolutely berserk.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Like otherwise similar pieces, you actually had better pieces than
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: that lineup outside of those two guys, that's just the
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: break sometimes. All in all, a really good lineup here,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Think the tailor thing is the big factor. Like I say,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: if you again, it wouldn't have won the tournament for
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: me or anything, but for all the lineups at the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: top that have Taylor lose six to seven points, and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: if it goes to Pittman for the bonus plus a touchdown,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: you could be adding, you know, thirteen fourteen in there.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Let's say it's like one seventy seven ish or you
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: know somewhere pushing that range. Maybe it's even a little
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: higher with some of the other stuff that happens in
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the passing game. Now you're up more in this range.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: And all the tailor teams up here, which is I
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: think all maybe this one isn't Jeremy from ETR. Most
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of these have Taylor. There's one or two that don't.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Three called four, I'm up more in that range. It's
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: like that's the difference, right, That's why I think that's important.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking again if some butts we talked about
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: all the time, but just concept wise, this was the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: other one. How can I get different with the Kirk
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Cousins news, the Mooney news and all that, and it
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: was obviously to fade Bijon. If I'm fading Bijeon, I
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: want Taylor, I want Mooney and Pits. I don't just
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: want Mooney at high ownership, so let me cut into
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it with Pitts and Cousins. Obviously that didn't work because
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Pitts ended up getting steamed as well. But just looking
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: at this one, and you can see some of the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: right pieces in the wrong places. But Cousins, Mooney, Pits,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: let me gamestack it to really get those guys pushed
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: through a chan and waddle. It flips the Bijon twice
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: because you move it around. If I'm not on Bijeon,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: let me get Taylor in there with his defense. It
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: gets me the tes. There's no cheapy Houston guy in
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: this lineup, and I'm gonna put James Cook in in
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: this spot. I'm just gonna fade the I have a
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: lot of the Sincion Jets game in other places. The
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Denver Dallas game is right here in my bon Nick spot,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: So just try I always call this. I don't hear
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: anyone anyone really mentioned this map, but I call portfolio manipulation.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want with my seven lineup
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: portfolio I'm trying to have. I'm trying to have thoughts
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: around how can I be in similar places in different
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: ways still find some leverage that can sneak my way
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to the top. And like, obviously, if I'm not on Bijon,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: how can I get there to double whammy it? And
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: my thoughts are like a Chan on the other side
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: pushes the cousin stack needing to score, which now pushes
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: waddle back and forth. And I'm not on Bijon, so
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: why not I have the money I can get to
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, you know, things like that that I'm moving
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: around these these moving pieces. Any any thoughts on this one?
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Any different?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: No, same thing. I just think the guys you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: in their first lineup were a little bit better. You know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this lineup is kind of a similar type build. You know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: you had Taylor here, Mooney ended up being really popular,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't good? You kind of replace Saquon for James Cook here,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: had a Chan in both Again, the big you know
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: difference was not having that the guy in first had
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: had Bryce Hall instead of a Chan, you know, along
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: with some other different things. But in order to really
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: get to the top yesterday. You needed those three thirty
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: five point guys or three of the four thirty five
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: plus point guys.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be really close here for like a breast
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Hall still have the three to one and then swap
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: tes up to t Higgins. It'd be one hundred bucks
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: away from that. So maybe there were some ways to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: flip it around. Jerry dasketabout this lineup said, if you
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: just curious, if you forced the Saints D, I just
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: don't mind the combo of the two. It was really
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: way more about what I wanted to get. Everywhere else.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: There was obviously ways like I could have made Franklin
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: into Knowl and had seven hundred bucks more to go
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: to a three KD and get something there. But for me,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I like, I'm fine with that commo. And it's like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: if it's gonna hurt if if Kamara is up, the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: defense could be maybe be there pinning them back and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: end up being the opposite side of that defense that
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you needed. But the game did bust up. I thought
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: we could see more Kamara with no Kendre Miller, which
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't really being talked about at all, So I thought
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: there was an opportunity.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I also had Saints dy in my top lineup in
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: that tournament.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fine. I mean that's I'm looking
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: in this year, this lineup. I mean, this tournament story
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: also has like five thousand entries and a lot of
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: people are playing you know, the full max or whatever
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  Speaker 1: like that in it. So if you're looking at exposures
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: for a second, you could literally play one hundred and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: fifty lineups in it. And that's like you get to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: see right on this and it's you know, people don't
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: want their stuff all public and whatnot, but anybody it's
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: a free tool. So I don't feel as bad just
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: going through and letting it be seen. But like at
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you can see those playing
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: one fifty. They know what they're doing. They can afford
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: to lose this money Like this is not this is
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: money they have from dfs. They're in great spots, they've
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: won million makers tons, things like that. All these opportunities
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: exist because of that. But you could play one hundred
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and fifty. So for me, when some people would look
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: at it and say like, oh, oh, those are a
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: bit too out there, I wouldn't have thought of that,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: or you could have just done this and all that.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I agree, but you can only do so much, or
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: when you're playing with your portfolio, you kind of want
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: to have to get to the top that are different
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: without backing yourself fully into a corner of like needing
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: all one percenters. And that's why I brought up that
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: point of you know, seven to fifteen percent owned plays.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about them enough that they're getting played, but
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a lot more talk than walk and that's what makes
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: them like, you know, they're good enough, but they're not
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that good. And that's the concept of it. So just
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: one second here, what the heck bo Nicks Sutton Franklin
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: with CD Lamb and a four wide receiver flex. This
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: is a bit out out there, but just noting it,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: just of looking at this. Stuck with my Kamara play
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: in that game, went to Berkley, I was fine with that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Went to my Higgins one off again no Bijon, So
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I played Pits and then I had the Houston defense
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: since I'm not going up against you know, I'm not
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: playing CMC. I'm not doing anything like that. Where this
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: missed it is there was no no indie option this lineup, right,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: and maybe I go to like a Pittman here and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: get different somewhere else, or you know, move Houston down
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to the Saints dy again and get a Pittman here
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: as a piece of that game and just go with
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Nix Franklin CD. But again trying to shoot for the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: top here and it missed completely. But I like the builds,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: and you see like I'm still hovering in those sevens, eights,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: nine fours mixed with like twenties and unders. So I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, this is just looking for those ceiling scores
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: if the chalk fully busts. It did on some not
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: on others. But this is kind of how I think
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: about lineups when I'm building. Any final thoughts from your
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: further thoughts on this lineup before we get out of.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Here, No, did you want to pull up mine? Or
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: no time we can?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well for sure, what do you want to look
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: at this turnut?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this tournament because I had won that was close
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: in that one. But again kind of just the sterling
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Shepherd just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on it.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Kind of just went an onslaught on the Jets Bengals game,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: but just give me your take on it.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this was fine. This is kind of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier though, like you're getting eleven
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: one hundred for what could be the entire end zone
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: and then even adding in Mason Taylor only puts it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: up like I honestly think I think James Cook and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen was the same price as the three of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: these guys for a quarterback one, running back one and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: tight end one who's essentially a wide receiver one with
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: no Garrett Wilson. So just noting it, well, you said
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: it like, yeah, we're not looking for that outcome. That's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: right back to my point about it's one it's daily fantasy,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: it's one slate. Will Mason Taylor and Bryce Hall connect
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: for a touchdown ever? Again? Probably never, And it doesn't matter.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: That's not why you played them together. That was just
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the bonus on top. It's it's the whole point of it.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: But overall, the overstack of the game works just fine.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: The sterling Shepherd is to get unique and a bit
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: aggressive there, I would say, but at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, it doesn't really matter. But I don't know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: did you late swap to Shephard and defense against or
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: what did you do here?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: So I had no so I had Teed Johnson in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: there instead, but I want again, I was kind of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: going back and forth to them, and I figure Ted
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Johnson was gonna be significantly higher on which he was.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: It's not like he was, you know, crazy, highly own
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: it and I probably just should have went with Tess
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: because he was the better play. Probably overthought it. But
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: again it's that fine line, right like if Shephard ends
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: up scoring that fade touchdown, then we're not having this conversation.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the other thing too, is like with
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Brown Chase Higgins, it's it's tough to say. I would
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: probably look for the four hundred dollars and hope that
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: it's Flacco chucking it to them, and you got just
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: because if you're gonna seiling out right on these guys completely,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: if all three of them are getting there, but then
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: it's like maybe you don't play Chase once you do
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: that and it gets you there. So we were very
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: close because all I did differently is I had Flacco here,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I had somebody else here, and I was We weren't
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: very close, I should say, were different other spots, but
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I think mine was Taylor and the d with Nol
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: and maybe it was or no mine was Bijon, which
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: which got nowhere obviously Joe Flacco and then Derrick Henry
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: with Bijeon Noel and whatever defense that land to be on.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: So it's not we were far off. It's just that's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: how I saw that saw it differently, But I think
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: the overstack of that game was plenty fine. And for
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a tournament like this, same reason we talked about, that's
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: kind of what you're It looks like you had a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: week like me. You you kind of broke even or
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: made slight money in this tournament based on your entries
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: versus that. That's that's what it's all about, is you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: trying to put yourself in that position. This was Fields
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: with bresee with Brown with Jamar, Yeah, like I like
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: this one better from like if you're gonna combo all
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: four up, It's like Jamar just does enough at his price.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: You know he's popular, but what's the way to get
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: different with him? Then you've got your secondary with Shepherd,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: your Philly guys and Bijon. So again people see this
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: and like, oh but it did worse. I like this
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: build better than your pre.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I do do. And it's easy to pick apart with
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: the Shepherd play today, but man, like you're talking about
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: a piece from that game that we really like. That
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: was the wide receiver three because I'll still say Taz
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: is the two at under one percent ownership. So it
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: didn't work out clearly, and I a big brained it
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: and I shouldn't have played him, but I don't think
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: it was like that bad of a play on that sleep.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I like it better like this. So where you got
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: two guys that can push each other like two year
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: like rock Star, you know, get open for an eighty
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: yard bomb. Then it's like the other way Baker finds
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: his guy, Shepherd playing with them back in the college
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: days and whatnot, like that could separate. But then you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily need Rattler or Baker. It's just these guys
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: come through at the forty five forty seven hundred dollars range.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: This quad pack makes more sense because of pricing and ownership. Like,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: if you're already gonna play Chase at ownership, how do
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: you play him differently? Well, you do it with this
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: with these three guys. With them, this is the whole
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: end zone. You hope they're running and scoring and maybe
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: he passes them one whatever, But for eleven to one
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: easy combo pack, you've got Bijon not JT doesn't matter.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: But in this case, you've already got a Bijon in there,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: so you've got different separation plays and then Goddard and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: the d It's not about correlation, it's just like that's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: how you got to that spot instead of playing Schultz
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: or like higher on like sin CD and all that,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: like different percentages. So I think this one's better overall.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: But anyway, good good lineups for you, and overall a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: fun week. We still got showdown tonight, I know, hoop
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: title myself will be back at two pm Eastern to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: break that down for you. Mat Any final thoughts on
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the classic slight stuff before we get out of here.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so just real quick on my two lineups, because
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sure people will be thinkingles like why did I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: play Shepherd in both? Well, the real reason I left
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Shepherd in the better one was because before Taylor went
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: off for that forty, that lineup was actually and much
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: worse in a much worse spot. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: you can to the late swap, but you still don't
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• 1:05:57
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