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From Paralympic World Record Holder to Pain-Free: Mikael Avatar on Authentic Power & Finding Your Purpose · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Willow Healing Matters, the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey everybody,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing Matters
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  SPEAKER_03: and today I am joined by Michael Avatar.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he is a former Paralympic world record holder for long jump in Atlanta 1996 and
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  SPEAKER_03: who overcame cerebral palsy for 45 minutes without a breath at birth and 40 years
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  SPEAKER_03: of chronic pain to live pain-free since 2009.
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  SPEAKER_03: Today, he coaches high performers to drop the performance mask,
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  SPEAKER_03: raise energy and live from authentic power through the Michael Avatar method,
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  SPEAKER_03: a 12-week intensive shortcut to transformation.
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  SPEAKER_03: So a big welcome to the show, Michael.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Catherine.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking forward to this.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is so interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wherever we go,
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  SPEAKER_03: the first question I have for you that's popped into my head is how did you get to
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  SPEAKER_03: a point that you were living pain-free?
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  SPEAKER_03: To be living with pain for that long and now you're pain-free, what was the process?
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  SPEAKER_03: What happened?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, when you have cerebral palsy, you shake.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you have a picture, you can see my hands can't be still.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my body shakes all the time, 24-7.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you have that and have done that for 40 years, you get pain in your body.
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  SPEAKER_00: Probably you get even pain when you're 30.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I had so much cramp that winter 2009.
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  SPEAKER_00: My friend left me a house in Thailand.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I came to Thailand and after five days, I had no pain.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like It was,
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  SPEAKER_00: first of all,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you have pain that long time,
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  SPEAKER_00: you don't really have pain, because your brain is like blocking it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was here for three weeks, went back to Sweden, decided, let's go to Thailand.
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  SPEAKER_00: So after three months,
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  SPEAKER_00: I divorced,
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  SPEAKER_00: sold my studio painting studio company, And I bought a one-way ticket to Thailand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because if I can live pain, what should I do in Sweden?
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  SPEAKER_00: I have nothing there to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I just moved here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And from that on, I have a totally different experience how to live a life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought I was free.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even in Sweden, I would come here.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a Buddhist country.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have no time schedule.
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  SPEAKER_00: They live day by day.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can't plan three days ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's no point.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I come from Sweden, where you schedule all that time.
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  SPEAKER_00: You plan two years ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Engagement, coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here, you can't book anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's only two days.
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  SPEAKER_00: Schedules that are working,
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  SPEAKER_00: one is the taxi to the airport to Annapur,
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  SPEAKER_00: because if they are late,
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  SPEAKER_00: they are late on the airplane,
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  SPEAKER_00: and the taxi has to pay the ticket for re-book to the airplane.
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  SPEAKER_00: The second that's a very strange thing is that one has a massage, it's not one half.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, do you feel from moving to Thailand,
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  SPEAKER_00: do you feel it was partially the different climate that helped your body
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  SPEAKER_03: Release a lot of the tension or also the culture that you were surrounded by or
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  SPEAKER_03: a bit of everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a spiritual channel.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was meant to be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter the reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: I came here to solve some problem around here just by being me.
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  SPEAKER_00: No more, no less.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, this authentic me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure, the temperature,
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  SPEAKER_00: the humidity creates good for my body,
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  SPEAKER_00: but to be relaxed,
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  SPEAKER_00: to take a step back and really focus on where I'm going in my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: To be able to do that in Thailand, for me, that was there.
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  SPEAKER_00: One way ticket to totally new dimension how we can live a life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just had this image of you.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's almost like your soul went,
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  SPEAKER_03: we have to do this like full on because we're just,
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  SPEAKER_03: we're ready for it and we need to go forward.
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  SPEAKER_03: We need to literally buy one way ticket to our soul journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I remember a woman, she sent me an email.
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  SPEAKER_00: She said, shit, I had to do something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because she understood it was not the weather.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was not the whatever it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was the ticket where I had to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let everything be.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was stupid.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was at the P.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of my career, I have TV calling me, newspaper.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have assignments, they pay me like 5,000, 10,000 euro.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was insane.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just left everything, just left it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Best decision, best decision in my life.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's interesting,
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  SPEAKER_03: I've talked to a lot of people and they'll get all these beautiful opportunities
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  SPEAKER_03: that look amazing and perfectly wrapped.
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  SPEAKER_03: But then when it comes down to, do I want that?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, actually, I don't.
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  SPEAKER_03: That doesn't resonate with me at that deeper level.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I love that you were so, you're the exemplar of courage, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: You actually, I say, I did this in my life too.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just threw a bomb in my life and I walked away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: The thing is, you don't know if it's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when you come here and you close the door behind,
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  SPEAKER_00: then you have no choice but coping with what's ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's ahead?
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  SPEAKER_00: Always when you do a decision like this, you're out of your comfort zone.
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  SPEAKER_00: And everything...
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything you want is outside your comfort zone.
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  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I feel that that then segues nicely into how you work with people because a lot
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  SPEAKER_03: of people do think they can achieve all these amazing things but aren't ready
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  SPEAKER_03: to get out of their own way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the biggest thing, there is two main problems in the world, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: One, they have no goals.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't know where they are going.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are like, they have no clear path where they are going.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had a clear path when I bought a one-way ticket, but I had no plan when I came here.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the one-way ticket was to plan and came here.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's the biggest whatever in people's lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Action.
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  SPEAKER_00: Action.
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  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_03: A hundred percent I agree.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: even when I'm working with my clients and they'll go, wow, that's so inspiring.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, but are you going to do something about it?
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  SPEAKER_03: And they go, probably not.
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  SPEAKER_03: I said, well, then I'm not doing my job.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're not inspired into action.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's just a story.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you need to go do something now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there is a trick here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I call it the one percent magical trick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whatever you want to call it, you have to find the right key to the right door.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you have a shame of different keys, and you have no clue where they are going.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which one is my key?
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  SPEAKER_00: And you have to test.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to go out there, test stuff, whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't test five times or ten times.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're the place to last long,
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  SPEAKER_00: and if you still,
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  SPEAKER_00: after 50,
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  SPEAKER_00: 100 times, still have the drive, still have the curiosity, still have the passion.
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  SPEAKER_00: Go for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if you don't test anything, nothing will happen.
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  SPEAKER_03: It reminds me of my favorite Wayne Gretzky quote.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't follow sport, but you know, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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  SPEAKER_03: And because if you don't try, how do you know?
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  SPEAKER_03: And the best analogy I heard of this,
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  SPEAKER_03: Michael,
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  SPEAKER_03: was someone said to me,
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  SPEAKER_03: just imagine putting on the coat,
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  SPEAKER_03: try on the coat, have a good go with the coat, go out with the coat.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if the coat doesn't feel right, you can take that coat off.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just keep looking for the next one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's the searching that's the adventure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: The search, the search, the search, the search.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I get a lot of keys from a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nearly every person has a key for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the problem with the key I get,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe it's for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe it's for you, maybe it's for somebody in the future that I should lead it to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have no clue,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the adventure is,
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  SPEAKER_00: where do these kids,
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  SPEAKER_00: when I go out in the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: some kids is 10 minutes,
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  SPEAKER_00: some is 10 years, but I always find the person when I need it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I like to talk about,
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't believe in accidents or coincidences,
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  SPEAKER_03: everything's a synchronicity designed for us to move forward in our adventure
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  SPEAKER_03: of life.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my next question,
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  SPEAKER_03: Michael,
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  SPEAKER_03: is so when you've gotten to Thailand,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: your body's suddenly working,
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  SPEAKER_03: you were exactly where you were meant to be at the right time.
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  SPEAKER_03: What led you then into coaching and high-performance coaching?
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  SPEAKER_03: I know your background is as Olympian, but at the same time, there's obviously a lot there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But coaching was much, much earlier.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really started coaching when I was like 10 years old.
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  SPEAKER_00: The thing when I went to Thailand to have the beach,
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  SPEAKER_00: so you go to the beach,
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  SPEAKER_00: you see the sun blow up, and you come back in the evening, see the sun go down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was walking there on the beach and I thought, well, I have plenty of time now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a bit of money, so I don't really need to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: So why not figure out what am I going to do with the rest of my life?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I walked there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sun went up, went down.
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  SPEAKER_00: One year passed.
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  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't really put the finger on what it wants.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do I really, really want?
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  SPEAKER_00: One from really inside me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now the two years,
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  SPEAKER_00: I figured out what is the core of the plan,
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  SPEAKER_00: why I ended up on this planet,
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  SPEAKER_00: or whatever system we are in,
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  SPEAKER_00: metrics, call it whatever, and it took me five years before I could do it, fall out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's like, now it's 11, 12 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: It took me a long time, but now I'm doing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not easy,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's lots of bumps,
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  SPEAKER_00: lots of hurdles,
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  SPEAKER_00: lots of mountains to climb, but I'm doing it because I have the passion.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because I, when I stop, it always comes back.
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  SPEAKER_00: The coaching is always coming back.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have quit coaching, I don't know, in decades.
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  SPEAKER_00: It always comes back.
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  SPEAKER_00: The art is always coming back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there public speaking always coming back?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now I do love them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Podcasts, kind of public thinking or indirect with different pod as a guest.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have like a new story and I have a key goal with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: The goal is, can I, can you, can I create something totally different outside?
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  SPEAKER_00: The box that I was living in, you can do too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I was born dead,
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  SPEAKER_00: probably most of you, or at least you weren't born dead, don't have cerebral palsy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have never thought,
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  SPEAKER_00: as a person with cerebral palsy,
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to say to some people, first minutes, five minutes, They feel sorry for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: After 15 minutes, they think, wow, he says something interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: 30 to 40 minutes, they have forgot I even have cerebral palsy.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my thing, to open and give ease to people to go in a new direction in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was my discovery.
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  SPEAKER_00: Walking on the beach, see the sun go up, see the sun go down.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's money.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I also think it's beautiful that it was just that allowing yourself to be in
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  SPEAKER_03: the simplicity and being that mundane and giving yourself the space to find
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  SPEAKER_03: the answer.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I know people listening will go,
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  SPEAKER_03: but he had the luxury because, you know, he had some money.
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  SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, you can create space like that in your life at any point.
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  SPEAKER_03: You just have to choose to make the space to spend time with yourself
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  SPEAKER_03: to figure out what is it I'm passionate about and what am I here to do and share
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  SPEAKER_03: with the world?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I used to quote a writer.
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  SPEAKER_00: She had two or three children.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember her name, but she wrote books.
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  SPEAKER_00: When the children were sleeping in the afternoon for two hours, and she wrote 17 books.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amazing story.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's insane.
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  SPEAKER_03: She was committed.
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  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: I know for me as a mom,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll get up really early to do podcasts during the week because the rest of
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  SPEAKER_03: the time I'm spending in my mom role.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know,
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  SPEAKER_03: so it's,
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  SPEAKER_03: you look at your life and if you're passionate and excited about it
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  SPEAKER_03: and you're committed to yourself,
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  SPEAKER_03: I find you'll make it work and you'll find the time and you'll have the energy
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  SPEAKER_03: and you stop, you know, lying to yourself that you can't do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But money is not an excuse.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had very, very little money, and I survived.
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  SPEAKER_00: But most people, they would never do what I did with this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I had less than 1,000 euro a month, but I could survive.
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  SPEAKER_00: I could be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to be a millionaire.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to be passionate, and you need to close things.
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  SPEAKER_00: The door backwards and yes, go.
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  SPEAKER_00: All the big stars listened to what they did.
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  SPEAKER_00: They always had no money and they always closed the door behind and yes, went for it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: And what has been a key component of the Michael Avatar 12-step method?
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  SPEAKER_03: That makes it different from other coaching protocols.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because it's hands-on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I call it for a planless plan, because when I meet the people, I don't know who they are.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is,
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  SPEAKER_00: they don't either know who they are, and they have no clue where they want to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know where they want to go,
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  SPEAKER_00: but when they've been with me for a while, like, why do I do this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why do I do that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's good,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you want to read what makes your stomach tingle,
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  SPEAKER_00: what makes you Whatever it is, and most people can't answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have no clue how you animate.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or wake up tomorrow morning,
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  SPEAKER_00: sit on your bed before you go from there,
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  SPEAKER_00: ask yourself, how can I make my stomach tingle today?
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  SPEAKER_00: And most people have no clue.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I want to give people.
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  SPEAKER_00: The tingling, the adventure, the hands-on.
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  SPEAKER_00: The planless plan.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's, yeah.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a real method.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I was speaking to business people, I wouldn't tell them that.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're like, nope,
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  SPEAKER_03: this is the steps that we do,
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  SPEAKER_03: but I will not tell you all the other things that we throw out the window.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I can do some tarot cards and I have this big man.
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  SPEAKER_00: He had like 5,000 employers or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the last day I had had him for like six months,
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  SPEAKER_00: I took my tarot card out and gave that tarot leg.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were no cards for him.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then he looked at me and he said to me, you don't need these cards, do you?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because he understood that I could get questions on his way.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: To hold his head, hands, eyes, his tone, whatever.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because I've met so many people, so many persons to find their tea, whatever you want to do.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess no.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: I guess no.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: But here we have it.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: New Year's.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: New Year's.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, New Year's.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: If you go on my website right now, Michael, the first thing it says is you already know.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it says straight away.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: Because you do already know.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you just need someone to reflect it back to you in a way
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: that helps you get clarity and move forward.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because if you don't just reflect them, It's impossible to choose.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: And it can get,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: that's where we sometimes we get overwhelmed because we think we have
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: to do it all ourselves when actually it's okay to ask for support and guidance
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: from not just our spirit teams,
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: I guess, but also from the souls that we're surrounded with too.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: And like you said,
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: maybe one of those keys you have is the key to a person to help you unlock
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: the biggest door in your life.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the thing is, we do this every day.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Every day we ask, today we ask something stupid.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: We ask moms, their sons, cars, this doctor.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: We ask a lot of people a lot of stuff that we don't know.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: But our path in life, we try to figure it out by ourselves.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's a question.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: We do a lot of top biology experts, but not with our lives.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's the main thing to figure out.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100%.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: And as we start to finish our time together,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: Michael,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: I ask the guests that come on the show,
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: if you could heal or change something in the world, what would it be?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: With positivity.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: If we have more positivity, we should see things from a different angle.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And with that positivity, we take a different role.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that will create an effect all around us.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: We should have more possibility in our shoes of life road.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: I so agree.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: And if people want to come and find you,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Michael,
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: or come and work with you,
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: apart from getting on a plane to Thailand,
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: what's the best place they can come and find you?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm Michael Avatar, Michael McKay, and you should find me if you search me on Google.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you search,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know, AI,
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: probably you won't find my website,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: michaelavatar.com, but from there you can find me, probably.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: But in one and a half, six weeks, they promise me at AI that it will appear.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: I have no clue.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not even thinking about that at the moment.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, you know, it'll happen when it's meant to happen, right?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like crazy world that we are in right now, and it's going too fast.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Too fast.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's okay.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's exactly where it's meant to be,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: just like you're exactly where you're meant to be and I'm meant to be.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I'll make sure, Michael, to put all those details in the show notes as well.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: So if people can't find you on AI, they can still find you the old school way.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you so much,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: Michael,
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: for sharing your journey and also that reminder about,
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: you can choose to close the door on your old life and step into something new
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: because you never know what's waiting on the other side.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: There might be a big,
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_03: beautiful key that's going to a big,
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: beautiful door and it's exactly what you're meant to be doing.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you so much for being on the show and sharing.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: And for all of our listeners, make sure to check out the show notes below.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: If you want to learn more about Michael's story or just come work with Michael,
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: please check out his website.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: And if you enjoyed the show, please feel free to like, share and subscribe.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: So until next time, thank you so much.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: And thank you again, Michael.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Cacao that I drink to help me get
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: in ceremony,
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: to help me ground, but also just because it tastes freaking good.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're curious and want to know about drinking something other than coffee
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: or your standard tea, why not check out Creation Cacao?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon sprinkled in and just letting it brew
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: and having
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: that whole intention as you create this cup.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're curious about,
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: want to know more, check out the link in the show notes and enjoy your cup of cacao.
• 26:05
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• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: We have so much love and gratitude that you are taking the time out of your day
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: to empower you on your healing journey.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: The view shared by the person being interviewed might not necessarily reflect that
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: of the host and should be used in your own discernment.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Trust what resonates for you and follow your heart and soul guidance.
• 26:26
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• 26:30
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• 26:31
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