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Ian Furness 11/3 H2: Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen. · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 3: about things.
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  Speaker 3: Fan a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: It's just saying like, Maybe save yourself some grief. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: just wait a minute. Just take a deep breath. Because
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  Speaker 2: you're mad enough already. Because what happened last night? Well,
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  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, 34-17. Enough said. Hugh Millen standing by.
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals rookie running back Jeremiah Love headed to the IR
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  Speaker 2: with a high ankle injury. Why do you care about that? Well,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to miss four to five weeks, including this
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  Speaker 2: week against Seahawks. That's Seattle's next game. Gardner Minshew announced
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  Speaker 2: yesterday as the starting quarterback as well. Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 2: one of the known, has proposed postponing the implementation of
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  Speaker 2: a salary cap until 2028.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: They still want a salary cap, so I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that's good. Hey, I know you guys in the
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  Speaker 2: Players Association hate the thought of a salary cap, so
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  Speaker 2: we'll just wait until 2028 to put it in. Don't
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  Speaker 2: think that's going to help process. I could be wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think that's necessarily going to help things.
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Your home for the 12th man in the NFL proudly
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  Speaker 1: presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's Hugh with Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Hugh Millen, Hardcore Football. We
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  Speaker 2: were hoping this would be a lot more pleasant than
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be. Hugh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I listened last night. You and Dick,
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  Speaker 2: great job on the postgame show. I think it's great
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  Speaker 2: that I know a lot of times we do those
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  Speaker 2: on Sundays. It gets kind of cut short because of
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  Speaker 2: Sunday night football. But having a postgame show for Monday
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  Speaker 2: night football with everyone driving home or listening and so forth,
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  Speaker 2: I thought you guys did a great job all the
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  Speaker 2: way through. So hell of a job by you guys.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. It means a lot coming from you, Ian.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have the the game tape available to you. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I, and sometimes I feel compelled to, to
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  Speaker 3: pull the cliche like coaches, you know, Mike McDonald said
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  Speaker 3: it last night. Yeah. You know, I got to see
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  Speaker 3: the tape, you know, there's a reason because there's 22
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  Speaker 3: guys that are moving on every play.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, tell me the smartest guy in the
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  Speaker 3: history of football, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Mike McDonald, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whoever that is, that guy can't see everything. And you
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  Speaker 3: have to watch the tape in earnest, and it's usually back, forth, back, forth, back, forth.
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  Speaker 3: But it's interesting to me, Ian, because now Mike McDonald,
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  Speaker 3: he's got to have a shift in how he tries
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  Speaker 3: to connect with his team and how he coaches his
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  Speaker 3: team because you're looking at, from in 2024 that was
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  Speaker 3: year one and he's he's now say stated he said
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  Speaker 3: in the off season that he said hey we weren't
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  Speaker 3: very good my first year you know he says well
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  Speaker 3: we won 10 games but i knew we weren't very
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  Speaker 3: good right and um and you know to that point
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  Speaker 3: that year you remember week eight you lost to buffalo
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  Speaker 3: 31 to 10 james cook that's the last time they
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  Speaker 3: surrendered 100 yards to a back. I don't have the
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  Speaker 3: numbers for Josh Allen in front of me, but I
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  Speaker 3: know he sliced Seattle up as well. Then week 15,
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  Speaker 3: they got a lot more competitive. But then week 15,
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  Speaker 3: they had a loss to the Packers, 30-18. And since then,
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  Speaker 3: they've lost seven games up to last night. And I
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  Speaker 3: think we all know at this point, none of them
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  Speaker 3: were by more than four points. So now you take that,
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  Speaker 3: you just get your ass handed to you last night,
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  Speaker 3: and now you're shifting. So Mike McDonald, this is like
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald 3.0. The first was, okay, I just got
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  Speaker 3: this team. How do I instill my culture? And then
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  Speaker 3: we got 10 wins out of it. Then Mike McDonald 2.0.
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  Speaker 3: is now like what we saw from last year and
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  Speaker 3: what we thought of this year is like, okay, I've
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  Speaker 3: got a championship-level team. How do I push the right
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  Speaker 3: buttons with a championship-level team? And now, not to say
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  Speaker 3: they're not championship-level, but there's clearly a shift in how
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  Speaker 3: he's got to connect. There's got to be a sense
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  Speaker 3: of urgency. Now they can't fool themselves. You can talk
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  Speaker 3: about the changes, the improvements you need to make, Well,
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  Speaker 3: when you're kind of riding at the altitude they were
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  Speaker 3: riding at for a long damn time, you don't really
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  Speaker 3: maybe get that buy-in from the team about what has
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  Speaker 3: to change. And so now we'll see what kind of
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  Speaker 3: changes he makes. His messaging's got to change. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if he's going to start firing people. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure what's going to happen, but... it will be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I wish we weren't in this situation. I was, I
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  Speaker 3: still wish it was Mike McDonald 2.0.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not relishing this, but you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: bound to happen eventually. And, and, you know, I, I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking about how, how Seattle lost. And, and to me,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just old enough. And I was playing at the time. Um,
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  Speaker 3: we played the 49ers not long after that, but the
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  Speaker 3: 49ers in 1994, uh, Hosted the Eagles and lost 40-8.
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  Speaker 3: 40-8 at home. And that was, I'm assuming, what was it, 94?
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  Speaker 5: 94.
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  Speaker 2: And wait, 94.
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  Speaker 3: Don't kill the punchline or reveal the punchline. And in
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  Speaker 3: that game, I'm sure it's on YouTube. Just search on YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: Steve Young reaction. George Seifert was the head coach, and
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  Speaker 3: he pulled Steve Young in the fourth quarter. Probably just
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  Speaker 3: to save his health. It was a health move. But
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  Speaker 3: Steve Young was irate. He thought that he should be
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  Speaker 3: out with his team battling just like they were and
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  Speaker 3: to have been pulled. He was screaming at George Seifert
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  Speaker 3: on the sideline, and it was a mess. Well, the 49ers,
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  Speaker 3: not only did they win the Super Bowl, I think
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  Speaker 3: they destroyed the Chargers in the Super Bowl that year.
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  Speaker 3: And so that prompted me to look, Ian. Last night,
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks lose by 17 points. Now, I chose 1990
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  Speaker 3: because I wanted to include that game that I just referenced.
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  Speaker 3: So since 1990. there have been 36 Super Bowl champions,
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  Speaker 3: and 19 of them, which is 53%, 19 of 36
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  Speaker 3: had a worse regular season loss than 17 or more.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I said that exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: No, that sounds right.
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  Speaker 3: 53%, 19 of the 36 champions since 1990 have had
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  Speaker 3: an ugly loss, more than half. So Seattle is not
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  Speaker 3: in unprecedented air right now. Super Bowl champions lose like
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  Speaker 3: we saw last night. It doesn't mean the Bears are
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  Speaker 3: better than Seattle. It means the Bears were a lot
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  Speaker 3: better than Seattle last night. but Seattle can fix some
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  Speaker 3: things who knows what, you know, the, the bears, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like a British sports car.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, you know, remember MGs. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My dad had an MG.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And, and, um, uh, there was a, there was a
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  Speaker 3: whole bevy of these, uh, I don't know if it
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  Speaker 3: was Austin Martins or whatever triumphs, you know, uh, Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: to some extent, you know, they're, they were thought to
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  Speaker 3: be really high performance sports car, but they could get
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  Speaker 3: out of tune real quick.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And, And teams can do that, too. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: Bears just may act like a British sports car and
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  Speaker 3: you say, whoa, they were they were cooking early November,
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  Speaker 3: but somehow they've kind of lost their way. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that could happen in the next month or two. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I would agree. And I went through I just went
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  Speaker 3: through it.
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  Speaker 2: I was telling Ashley in the listeners' last segment, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of went to bed last night thinking, wow, they're
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  Speaker 2: in a world of hurt because just off the top
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  Speaker 2: of my head, I was thinking, man, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: get in that 11 win range to get to the
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  Speaker 2: wild card. Now, since they went to, and I brought
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  Speaker 2: this up, since they went to 17 games, Hugh, the
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  Speaker 2: wild card teams, and I'm just saying, I'm just going floor,
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  Speaker 2: just basement, right? The wild card three, 9-8, 9-8.
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  Speaker 4: 9-8, 11-6.
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  Speaker 2: That was Mike McDonald's first year when they went 10-7,
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  Speaker 2: and then 9-7-1. I think it's going to be higher
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  Speaker 2: this year based on what we see with the NFC North, Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: and the Rams, right? It's going to be probably in
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  Speaker 2: that 10 and a half, let's just say 10 and
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  Speaker 2: a half, 11 win, somewhere in there. And they can
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  Speaker 2: get there, like you said. Division feels, Hugh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: the division feels... like it's a long shot right now.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's, you're going to, you're going to, that feels
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  Speaker 2: like a long shot. And we all know the history
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  Speaker 2: of getting to the post season and needing home field
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  Speaker 2: advantage in this town, but. Just get in. Just get in.
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  Speaker 2: There's teams that have won Super Bowls and got to
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowls without having home field advantage.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know for a stretch there, I was at
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  Speaker 3: 14 or 2. Maybe I'm not updated on it, but
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  Speaker 3: I know Seattle had the best road record under Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 3: And again, I haven't updated that. So Seattle's capable of
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  Speaker 3: winning the road. What they have to do is get right.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever this fever is, this flu they have, in different
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  Speaker 3: aspects of the team, they've got to fix it. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they have a high ceiling. They proved that
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  Speaker 3: against the Chiefs. They won 10 games in a row
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  Speaker 3: last year, and that included the three playoff games. So
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  Speaker 3: they can go on a roll. I just think they've
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  Speaker 3: eaten up all their mulligans. Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can't. There's no breakfast balls left, Hugh.
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  Speaker 3: We're done.
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  Speaker 2: We're done with those, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Even if you bought it before the tournament, you've used
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  Speaker 3: up all the ones that you bought.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Right? And so it goes without saying, you've got to
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  Speaker 3: beat Carolina, or excuse me, the Cardinals and Las Vegas. Then...
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  Speaker 3: You get that bye week, and in all likelihood, the
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  Speaker 3: season really has another fork in the road at San Francisco.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you're going to win the Super Bowl or
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  Speaker 3: be a contender for the Super Bowl, it feels like
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  Speaker 3: you have to win that game. And it's winnable. It's
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  Speaker 3: absolutely winnable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just doing the math, if you win the
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  Speaker 2: six games that you're going to be favored in, Arizona, Vegas, Dallas, Giants, Philadelphia, Carolina, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you win those six, now you're at 10 wins.
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  Speaker 2: And then in theory, just to get in, you go
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  Speaker 2: one and two against the Rams and the Niners and
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  Speaker 2: those other three games. But I think you're right. You
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  Speaker 2: need to also, you need to get right. Let me
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  Speaker 2: pivot with this, Hugh. Hugh Millen joining us, Hardcore Football.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: What did you see differently after getting up at, I'm guessing,
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  Speaker 2: normal 4 a.m. wake-up call?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: What did you see different at 4 a.m. this morning
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  Speaker 2: that maybe you didn't see last night? Let's go through
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  Speaker 2: that on the tape.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm more focused on the offense because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like they're the unit, obviously, that is in trouble. I
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  Speaker 3: think the defense wasn't their finest hour. We know that
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  Speaker 3: last night. Maybe we'll get to that. But I would look–
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  Speaker 3: I start with the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And I have a lot of minuses on my notes here,
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  Speaker 3: and yet I put– a BF on top of the minus.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Flory. Brian Flory. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: When I think it's more Brian Flory.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And let's see, in the first half of the, there's one,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't count all the, but I've got six different
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  Speaker 3: Brian Flory minuses. And then I think in the second half,
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  Speaker 3: another handful. So there's a lack of, of real cohesion
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  Speaker 3: in the concepts and the details. They like to throw
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  Speaker 3: the ball over the middle. I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a residue of Brock Purdy in San Francisco and Brian
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  Speaker 3: Flory and having been around Shanahan. And Brock Purdy just
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  Speaker 3: doesn't throw the ball well to the sidelines. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have the arm to get there.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: the, the, the structure of their offenses, you know, is
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  Speaker 3: between the numbers and a big part of what they
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  Speaker 3: do is, is a rap concepts. Now we're getting to hardcore. Um,
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  Speaker 3: people call it different, uh, you know, Keith Gilbertson and, uh,
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  Speaker 3: maybe Mike Holmgren call it hammer. Uh, and when I
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  Speaker 3: coached in high school, we called it a Honda and
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  Speaker 3: what it is and Honda for, uh, that, that would
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  Speaker 3: be a hitch and, and dig.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a word conjunction. And, and, regardless of what
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  Speaker 3: you call it, what Seattle is really big on is,
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  Speaker 3: is you have the inside guy could be a three
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  Speaker 3: receiver set or it could be a two receiver set,
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  Speaker 3: but it's, it's really at its bones, a two receiver concept.
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  Speaker 3: You can dress it up with a third guy to
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  Speaker 3: the outside of this, but it's skeleton is, is this,
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  Speaker 3: the inside guy goes up and hitches at five or
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  Speaker 3: six yards and then the guy to the outside of
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  Speaker 3: him runs a 10 or 11-yard dig route in behind it.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea is that you as a zone defender,
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  Speaker 3: you're looking, and the innermost guy stops and hitches at 5,
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  Speaker 3: 6 yards, and then that influences you, freezes you, or
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  Speaker 3: causes you to step up with that guy, and then
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  Speaker 3: in behind you where you can't see, there's an in route. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you can put that basic skeleton– wherever. And, um, and
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  Speaker 3: yet there's a couple of times yesterday where they, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you, you had a, you had AJ Barner,
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  Speaker 3: he's moving on the in route and he's right in
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  Speaker 3: the line of, of the dig in behind him. That
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  Speaker 3: that's a core part of what you're doing. And it's
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  Speaker 3: a fundamental breakdown that shouldn't have happened in, in, on
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  Speaker 3: the third day of mini camp, let alone, uh, eighth
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  Speaker 3: game of the regular season. It's just fundamental. Speaking of Barner....
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  Speaker 2: Is that the concept or how the route is being
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  Speaker 2: run by Barner or the receiver?
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  Speaker 3: The concept in the zone... You can't get underneath... If
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  Speaker 3: you're an underneath receiver, you can't be in a vertical
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  Speaker 3: line With a receiver behind you.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So, because I want you to imagine, and we see
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  Speaker 3: this from the end zone copy.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: I just want you to imagine. So, we've got a
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  Speaker 3: camera right behind Sam Darnold. Hell, if you want to
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  Speaker 3: be Sam Darnold in this visual, go ahead. But you're
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  Speaker 3: standing there and you're saying, okay, what if I want
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  Speaker 3: to hit the intermediate in route at 12 yards?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But.
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  Speaker 3: My tight end is right in a line. So he's
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  Speaker 3: lined up so that if I stop and I drew
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  Speaker 3: a string from the middle of my body or where
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  Speaker 3: my right arm is, I drew a tight string to
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  Speaker 3: the intermediate in route from 12 yards. If there's a
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  Speaker 3: defender who's moving– I'm sorry, I said a defender for
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  Speaker 3: the second time. If there's another receiver that's in that line,
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  Speaker 3: then that's structurally a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And that happened on the third play of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Remember when Torrey Horton took that hit over the middle
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  Speaker 3: by the safety?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He just got smoked. Darnold was a fraction late. The
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  Speaker 3: precision's in the details.
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  Speaker 2: So he was late because the tight end was basically underneath, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: I could take a still shot with my phone.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Barner is on the left hash.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Right at the time that Darnold is looking to throw
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  Speaker 3: and Horton is on the left hash.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: And so they're in the way. And so that happened.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: More than once. And I could describe others, but, but
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: the takeaway is that you can't be stacked vertically on each.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So there's got to be a, be a, people say
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: a high, low read and yes, there's high, low reads.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: You could say, um, uh, a smash or a corner route, uh,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: a corner route deep to the outside. And then it's
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: somebody in the flat. And if it's covered to the
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: cloud corner, that's a zone term by the corner. You say, OK,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: if he gets deep, then you throw the underneath. If
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: he stays shallow, then you throw it over the top
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: of his head. There's there's other high low reads where
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: you have, let's say, a deep in route at 17
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: or 18 yards and then and then. from either that
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: side or from the, uh, opposite side, you have a post.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: So now you're high, lowing that literally high, low they're
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: stacked on each other, but there'd be a lot of,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: of space in between them. So there are high, low reads,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: but mostly particularly in the intermediate stuff, anything under 20 yards,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: you're getting it more of a diagonal. It's a diagonal high,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: low with the inside defender. So that, that you've got
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: this one shallow guy who's maybe at five yards, maybe
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: he's moving, maybe he stops, what have you. But then
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the guy who's behind him, it's a diagonal relationship so
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: that the defender, so you're not having to throw right
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: over the top of that receiver. Does that make sense?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. So let me ask you this before
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: we get to a break here. We've got a break
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: in a second. That whole concept and how it's being designed,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: When you're going through that and you're game planning, wouldn't
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that come up with Sam Darnold or the receivers going, hey,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: wait a second, where am I supposed to be here? Like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense. This is like everything you're articulating.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I would think that would come up. Oh, you wouldn't,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't draw it up on the whiteboard.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: What, what happens is, is it goes from, from the, the, uh,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: the philosophy of the play, the structure of the play,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: it goes from that to then now, what do you
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: see on the tape?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Gotcha.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: And, and, and so when you see it on the
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: tape wrong, and it's violating these basic tenets, you know
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: it wasn't taught that way. It just wasn't drilled to precision.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: There maybe isn't enough reps on it. That's what I'm
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: looking for. So, yeah, that makes more sense. I'll give
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: you one more. This one just, like, was just, you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I still have a bruise on my forehead from smacking
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: myself with my own palm. Do you remember the one
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: on third and five? where Darnold looks to his left
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: and he throws a check down. Now, I say check down,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: but it was at the first down marker. It was
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: right at five yards where A.J. Barner just puts his
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: arm out and barely gets a hand on it, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: it's an incompletion. Remember that?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Which I'm sure people in the stadium might have had
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: the impulse like, oh, wow, that's a really inaccurate throw. Right. No,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: NFL quarterbacks are not that inaccurate. None. not even the
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: third stringers from that distance. And you watch where, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I know we're up against a break real quick. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Barner's running a stick route, five to six yard out route.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: He sees the corner in cloud. I just use that term.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: That's where the corner has the, has the flat. It's
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: a shallow zone responsibility. When you hear cloud that you
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: always know that there's a safety behind it. That that's
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: built into that term.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: So, Barner sees the cloud corner out in front of
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: him and he doesn't want to run into that. So
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: he stops. But then he makes this little juke, this
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: head fake, like he's going to keep going inside. Now,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of people use the term, probably the term
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that's used more is a China route. And I've always
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: wondered why they call it China. Somebody once said, well,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of people in China. And this is
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a term that's been around for 50 years, the China route.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And you say, well, you're going back into where the
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: people are. So China is a ubiquitous term, and it
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: looks like he's trying to run a China back inside,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and he fakes, but then he stops. But that's right
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: at the time where Darnold's going, oh, okay, if you
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: want to go China, I'll throw you inside. I kind
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: of think there's a defender in there, but he's a
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: little deeper. So maybe you catch it underneath him. So Darnold,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: now he goes to get a completion on third and five,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: right at the time that Barner is stopping. Now that
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: is just very poor connection between two veteran players who
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: are smart. committed uh and and like no the parameters
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: have to be established what you you you can run
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: double move you can do a head fake on this
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: route but not on this route if you're in week
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: eight in a game like that of that magnitude and
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you can't throw a stick route uh for a first
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: down in that picture that's a problem and i think
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it's a problem with the coordination of the offense Perfect.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Stop right there. When we come back, we'll continue talking
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: about the offense. Hardcore football after the Seahawks lose to
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the Bears yesterday with Hugh Millen, 93.3 KGRFM. Jackson obviously
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: had his numbers out there, but where's your concern level
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: with the fact that you had two receiving cards from
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: anybody not named Jackson? It just seemed like it was
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a hard time getting anybody else involved.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we didn't do the things on offense
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that we need to be able to do to play
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Seahawk football. So to me, we got similar questions throughout
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the season on where we're falling short,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: but to me it's inputs, you know, If we're playing
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: the way that we're supposed to and we're running off
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: the rock and we're targeted right and we're dialed in
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: on what we should be doing, we're way more efficient
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: and the ball is distributed more evenly. So that's where
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: we need to put our focus.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: First half, JSN, six targets, four receptions, 92 yards, that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: 43-yard touchdown. Zach Charbonnet had two receptions for net zero yards.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And Jadarian Price, one catch for two yards. Nobody else
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: had a reception yet. In that first half for Seattle,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it changed a little bit in the second half, but
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: not much. Torrey Horton had three catches for 26 yards,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: long of 13. Cooper Cupp, the touchdown catch, and that
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: was it as far as wide receivers were concerned. A
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: couple others sprinkled in there with the tight end, Barner
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and the running backs. But, Hugh, as we're talking about
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: hardcore football, how hard is it for a quarterback when
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he's got one guy to throw to, and is it
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the one guy to throw to because of Brian Fleury scheming, play-clawing?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: or just guys not getting open? What do you see
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on the all-22 when you look back?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Well, a little bit of both. You can't ask a
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: guy to do something that he's not good at at
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: this level. You know, you've got to play to a
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: guy's strengths. There was a conspicuous drop to me where
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Horton was lined up on the left side, and it
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: was going towards the north end zone. And he ran
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: a deep curl, so by his alignment, It was a
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: little bit reduced, meaning close to the ball. And his
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: stem was not straight vertical. It was slightly to the outside,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: just a slight spray. So he's gaining width as he's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: going up the field as he's running. Then there's a
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: part where he puts his left foot in the ground,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: his outside foot, and then he takes it straight vertical.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: That move right there should help you. create separation because
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: the corner has to adjust his feet perhaps and certainly
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: his calculation in his mind about what route to expect.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: And then it's just a deep curl, just like a
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: button hook that you would say in the park, right?
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But there's a lot of technique to the button hook.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: You've got to sell the vertical on the deep hook.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Let the defender think you're running the nine route, which
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: is the go. And then... Don't turn your head back
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: before your body. You know, when I coached offense at
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the high school level, you know, we'd go through this
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: route and we'd say, hey, when your outside foot hits
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: your final step, you drop your hips. Drop your hips
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: because that's the way you slow down the fast. So
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: drop your hips. Hit your outside foot. Make sure your
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: chin is over your toes. Don't have your shoulder back
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: because it'll take you a couple extra steps. Get your
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: chin over your toes. Drop your weight. And then you
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: don't get to turn your head. Think of it like
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: a door hinge. You don't get to turn your head
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: until your shoulders turn back to the ball. Because that
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: is a tried and true way to create the best separation. Well,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: when you watch his technique there, there's a lack of suddenness.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: and certainly a lack of technique. He's looking and turns
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: back to the ball. So his head is looking back
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: for the ball, but his body's still going up the field. Well,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that just triggers the defender to come downhill, right? Like, okay,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: he stopped. And then he didn't have the urgency to
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: fight back, and now all of a sudden the defender
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: gets his hand on the ball. This is a one-on-one
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: situation where you just say, hey, there's no safety over
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the top. You have to win.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And, and Darnold has a perfect ball placement. You know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: he's right, kind of right in the, at your belt.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: So it allows you to get low if you need to. And,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and he just didn't finish. He didn't convert. And, you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: because of a whole, a whole, you know, some of
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: it has to do with the lack of explosion that,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: that the obvious question is, did the, the unique surgeries
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: that he had on both legs, I think he's got
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: rods in his shin and everything. And so, so, I
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: think he may have lost some suddenness. I mean, I've
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: watched him at Colorado State. Does he look different? Does
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: he look different to you? I think he looks different. Yeah,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I think he looks different. I mean, when he runs
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: crossing routes, you've got to stick that route and then
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: go flat. Don't let the defender come underneath you. So
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: there's some technique things that he's not doing. Now, he
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: had a beautiful route and catch on the two-point, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: he had another over route into traffic, one of Darnold's
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: best plays on that boot left, and then Darnold had
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to retreat and throw him on that intermediate crossing route.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: So there were some good things there, but it's not enough.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: And seldom, as a Seahawks fan, have I wanted there
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to be something so different than what the tape shows.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm talking about Cooper Cupp. I really love everything
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: about the guy.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Let's go down that road, Hugh. Let's go down that road.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you want me to make a
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: list of all the things that I love about Cooper cup,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you know, it's probably the same as your list. And,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: and so I really want it to, um, to be,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I love when he has catches and they use his, his, uh,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: his skillset. The best thing he does is, is get
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: into the, uh, The jet stream routes, the wake routes,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: if you want to use a water skiing analogy, Get
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: in behind, draft off the receiver in front of you,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and then make a choice in or out. That's the
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: best thing that he does still at this age. But
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: to line him up in a slot with nobody around
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: him to protect him, meaning no bunch formations, no stack formations,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: nothing to get rubs and picks, and then expect him
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: to go down and win on a deep curl and
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: not stay on the move, to me, I'm looking, I'm like,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: come on, Brian Flory, be better than that. And by
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: the way, the Bears, they're the grabbiest secondary that I've
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: seen on tape in years. I think they got three
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: defensive holdings. There could have been 23. That's just their thing.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, we're just going to, you know, there's
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: a rule. You can't contact past five yards, five yards, my,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: my yards, like, like, like phooey on that. Like they just,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: they just grab and hold and, and, um, and, and so,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I think their, their, uh, their philosophy is
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: we'll take three defensive holdings at every game because we'll,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it will disrupt 23 pass plays.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: And so here, uh, uh, you're watching cup just get mauled.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: And then he's got a, he's got a non moving
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: route at the end. It's supposed to stop. There's no set.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: You might as well just play with 10 guys.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Um, because that is not going to be an option
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: for Sam Darnold. And so, um, uh, you know, where's,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: where's the shallow cross. I remember I, I mentioned, uh,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I mentioned, uh, that the triangle reads, so I can,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I can, I can, I'm going to, uh, Outline one play,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: and I know we're at a commercial, but this will
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: kill two birds with one stone in my analysis. It's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: going to be a crossing route, which we didn't see
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: any of, despite all the man. And then it also
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: speaks to when I talked about a diagonal read in
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the last segment. So now we're going to be the
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers in the time of
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Bill Walsh. Yes. And you got Jerry Rice to your
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: far right. He's going to motion down. Now, what I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: about to describe is Bill Walsh's favorite play of all time.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: So this is not some random play. So we got
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Jerry Rice. He's motioning down. We're going to snap the ball.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: And Brent Jones is the tight end. He's going to
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: take an outside release. And Jerry Rice is going to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: run right behind his ass. And so Rice's route is called–
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: they call it a drive route, but you could call
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: it a shallow cross. He's just going to run a
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: crossing route.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And then Brent Jones is going to get a rub
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: on the man-to-man if it's man-to-man. Then he's going to
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: straighten up, and he's going to run at 12 to
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: 14 yards, you know, depends, but generally 14 yards in
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: behind it. So now we're going to take our drop
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: from shotgun. Let's take a five-step drop, you know, Back
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: in Walsh's time, it was primarily under center, but we'll
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: forget that point. And now we got Jerry Rice going
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: from right to left on a crossing route. Man to man,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: we just got to pick. So let's get it to Jerry, okay,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and let him keep on the move and run. But
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: the reason Bill Walsh, this is his favorite play, is
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: because it's also a really good play against zone. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: so now, if we don't like Rice, and let's say
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: it's zone and there's a defender out there, then Brent Jones,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: by getting up to 14 yards, he's going to be
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: running an in route in the same direction from right
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: to left, but he's going to be behind the play.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: So there's a diagonal relationship. And then we're going to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: take Roger Craig or Tom Rathman, and we're going to
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: hook them up over in the alley. So you're creating
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: kind of a triangle there in zone. But it's all
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: diagonal reads about this defender. Yes, he's to the inside
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: and outside, but there's also a layering behind. So if
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you stop and you say, OK, what does the quarterback see?
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: He sees a triangle. He sees Jerry Rice as the
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: point of one triangle to the left. He sees Roger
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Craig as a check down as the left. a point
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: of the triangle to the right, and then he's got
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Brent Jones at the top of the triangle. Here, Tex
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Winters for the Chicago Bulls, he had a triangle offense. Hell,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: you look all over a playbook. We're trying to create
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: triangles everywhere because the triangles create the diagonal reads on defenders.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So when we talk about stack, like I did in
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: the prior segment, don't be on top. That's not a triangle, right?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose you could– rotate a triangle. Well,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And, and then, but then it, it,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: it coincides. This point is also made with, with a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: segment two of our show that where's the shallow crosses.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: And by the way, your boy, uh, Mike Leach would
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: have said, where the hell is all the meshes? That's
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: a shallow cross from one direction and a shallow cross
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: from the other. Let's man to man, let's get some picks,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: but we got, we got to, if, if we're going
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to put Cooper cup on the field, We can't just
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: let him get mauled out there in space with no
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: formations to protect him, no wind drafts to protect him,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: no wakes. And furthermore, have him run a stop route
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: against man-to-man. Stop routes are for zone. Stay on the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: move against man. That's just kind of a general rule.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you can't get completions. the other way,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: but that's a general rule. So yeah, yeah. You just, you,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the tape at four in the morning, you know, gets
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: me kind of salty by the time I'm at lunch.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, all right, let me do this quick,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: quick break, wrap things up. Hugh Millen, hardcore football. I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: got one more thing. I'm going to fire his way.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It has to do with Brian Flurry. We'll do that next.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Three things I think we need to do just to
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: get ready for next year. One, a number two receiver. Two,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: a starting running back. And three, love you, Sam, but
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: you got to go. We need something better and consistent
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: that doesn't turn over the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. A lot of talkbacks today. We'll keep them coming.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to those in the two o'clock hour as well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen, we've got a couple minutes here to wrap
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  Speaker 2: up hardcore football. As I'm listening to the conversation today
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  Speaker 2: and I'm envisioning these things in my mind that we're
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: going through. I'm going to ask you a question you
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: heard Sam Darnold mention there by one of our listeners
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  Speaker 2: a second ago, a diehard Seahawks fan, obviously. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like we have a Brian Flurry problem more
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  Speaker 2: than a Sam Darnold problem. So how do you or
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: can you correct it if that's the case?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you can get back to basics and
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  Speaker 3: maybe trim down the game plan, really emphasize the fundamentals,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: not being stacked on each other, They've got to have
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a better plan against man-to-man and with all that press
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: coverage and grabbing you the way they were. So I
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: think if you're grading Brian Flory last night, I think
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: you'd give at least about a grade to him as
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: you would to Sam Darnold. Look, as a Seahawks fan,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I like Sam Darnold, but I like the Seahawks more.
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  Speaker 3: If in my reasoning, I thought it would be the
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  Speaker 3: best thing for the CX to try and replace Sam Donald,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't hesitate to say it. Um, but there's a
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  Speaker 3: reason why NFL starting quarterbacks make more than offensive coordinators
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  Speaker 3: by probably a, an order of magnitude of, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: at least 10, you know, 15, 20 fold. Right. Um, and,
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  Speaker 3: and so, uh, if, if anything, the, the, the game
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  Speaker 3: against the chiefs should have shown you that there's, there's
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  Speaker 3: a limit to what even the best quarterbacks can do.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm sure that if, if, if the Seahawks had
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: been playing the Seahawks defense thought experiment, right. And Sam
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  Speaker 3: Darnold had played exactly like Pat Mahomes did against the
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Seahawks defense. Everybody would be saying, Oh, you know, Darnold sucks.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's certain, you know, Pat Mahomes has had two
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  Speaker 3: super bowls where he's been dreadful and, you know, he's,
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  Speaker 3: he's the best quarterback of, of his little, you know,
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  Speaker 3: half generation. And, and so, um, I, I just think, okay,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: you've got a super bowl, uh, defense and you've got
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: a quarterback at 29 years old. It's already shown that
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  Speaker 3: he can, you can win a super bowl with him.
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  Speaker 3: And so if you ask me, do I think they
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: have a bigger problem, a quarterback problem or an offensive
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: coordinator problem. I agree with you, what you said. And
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: part of the reason that I agree with it is
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: because it's easier to find a new offensive coordinator than
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: it is to find a good quarterback. Like what resources
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: are you going to expand? And then if Ryan for,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: he's a coordinator and you got this, you've spent all
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: these resources, hell go trade for Pat Mahomes, right? I'm
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: sure there's something that could do it. Three drafts, every
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: single pick. Didn't Mike Ditka do that for Ricky Williams?
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  Speaker 3: Not one year, do it for three years. You could
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: get Pat Mahomes, and then we can sit there and
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: lose games, and then we can say how Pat Mahomes
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: can't play because you're not giving him a chance and
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: um and so yeah that that's my thought can can
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Darnold be better yes they needed a number two that's
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: a big hole it's a donut in their offense the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: number two receiver and I think that they there's no
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: question in my mind that the running game for the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: 2026 Seattle Seahawks have not seen their best.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: You've got your running backs are coming back healthy. You've
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: got Quentin Nelson. Last night you ran into Buzzsaw with
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a bunch of energy and Jeffrey Simmons and blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: There will be some games that they can fix this
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  Speaker 3: running game, and they'll be purring along. But that number two,
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  Speaker 3: if you're going to have the receivers as constituted now,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: in my opinion– then you got to do a better
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  Speaker 3: job at the offensive coordinator job. You can't, you can't,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: you can't throw out that stuff that I saw on
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: the tape from last night. And that's what we've been
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: discussing for a good part of this hour.
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  Speaker 2: As always great stuff, my friend. Appreciate it. Great job
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: last night. Again, great stuff this morning. And with us here,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I think more for coming up, I'm assuming with softie later.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Which is good.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And then you and I'll talk next Monday, hopefully after
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: they take care of, uh, Minshew Magic and Company.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you. We'll talk to you then. Appreciate the nice words. Thanks, buddy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's Hugh Millen.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: We'll turn it around.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I love it. Hugh Millen, hardcore football. Nobody does it
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: better than that guy.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Period.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: End of story. John Lund. Nobody does it worse than him,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: but we'll still put him on the air. He's coming
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: up next.