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Sharri | 6 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Finis Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and thank you Andrew for that kind of introduction.
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Speaker 3: I am Cali Marcus filling in for Shari tonight. How
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Speaker 3: did two anti Semitic hate preachers get visas to this
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Speaker 3: country and why did Home Affairs only act after the
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Speaker 3: media expose them. I'll break that down next. What nation
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Speaker 3: is now leading labor and the LNP in Queensland Its
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Speaker 3: political rise shows no signs of abating. My panel, Aaron
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Speaker 3: Patrick and Stephanie Bastian will be here to discuss, and
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Speaker 3: Laura Deeming joins me exclusively after finally securing Liberal preselection
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Speaker 3: following a chaotic battle that's left her party badly bruised.
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Speaker 3: But first to light it's difficult to take the Albanese
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Speaker 3: government's commitment to fighting unprecedented levels of due hatred in
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Speaker 3: this country seriously. After news broke, a second Islamic hate
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Speaker 3: preacher has had his visa canceled in the space of
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Speaker 3: a week. Sheik Amadulla had been granted a visitor visa
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Speaker 3: and was booked to speak at events across the country,
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Speaker 3: including at a Western Sydney mosque on Saturday. Now that's
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Speaker 3: despite Amadulla having previously made public comments calling Jews despicable
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Speaker 3: and the source of the world's unrest.
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Speaker 4: The bus.
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Speaker 3: And in the same speech, Amadulla went on to say
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Speaker 3: there is more hatred of Jews in the Qur'an than
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Speaker 3: against any other community.
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Speaker 5: Boni.
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Speaker 3: But Home Affairs didn't seem to be aware of Armadulla's
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Speaker 3: past public comments. It took revelations by a newspaper, The
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Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph for officials to act and cancel the visa
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Speaker 3: they'd already granted to the Bengali preacher. If a newspaper
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Speaker 3: could so easily obtain these public comments, it begs the
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Speaker 3: question why Home Affairs.
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Speaker 1: Weren't aware of this guy's history.
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Speaker 3: It was a similar story with a second radical preacher,
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Speaker 3: Bengali cleric Mizen Raman Asari, who had only been deported
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Speaker 3: and banned from the country a few days earlier. That
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Speaker 3: came after media outlets revealed Asari had preached Adolf Hitler
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Speaker 3: was divine punishment for the Jews, blamed Jews for aids
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Speaker 3: and called them the biggest terrorists in the world, always
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Speaker 3: in as blemish. Azari was here to speak at the
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Speaker 3: same speaking tour as Ama Dullah. A legacy of faith
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Speaker 3: and his extremist hate speech has previously seen him banned
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Speaker 3: from entering the UK, as well as from preaching in
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Speaker 3: his own native Bangladesh. Surely information that would have been
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Speaker 3: readily available to immigration officials. So, as Opposition Home Affairs
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Speaker 3: spokesman John o'dunheim asked in the Senate, how on earth
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Speaker 3: was this bloke able to come to Australia.
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Speaker 6: There's a range and a litany of examples of anti
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Speaker 6: Semitic hate speech, his maligning of the Hindu religion, demonizing
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Speaker 6: of the Bengali culture. But this man, of course, despite
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Speaker 6: all of this, and all of it on public record
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Speaker 6: tour my dad has been granted a visa to come here.
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Speaker 3: Activist Drew Pavlu exposed some of these comments and Azari
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Speaker 3: highlights reel if you will on social media, is that.
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Speaker 7: Jews invented aids. He says that the Jews deserved the Holocaust,
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Speaker 7: that Hitler was a divine punishment. He says that slavery
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Speaker 7: is justified and that Normalslim should be kept.
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Speaker 5: As slaves the Islam quintu.
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Speaker 3: Frankly, this extremism is hardly helpful to moderate Muslims either. So,
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Speaker 3: as I say, two Islamic hate preachers visus canceled in
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Speaker 3: a space of a week, and not just any week,
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Speaker 3: but one of the biggest on the Jewish calendar, Passover,
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Speaker 3: when Jews ironically commemorate their escape from slavery and persecution
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Speaker 3: in Egypt some three thousand years ago. As Assistant Minister
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Speaker 3: for Immigration Matt Thesselthwaite admitted yesterday the two preachers were
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Speaker 3: speaking at the same event.
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Speaker 8: Well, we got no tolerance whatsoever for people who espouse
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Speaker 8: anti Semitic or Islamophobic views, and there's powers within the
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Speaker 8: Migration Act for us to deny visas not used in
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Speaker 8: this case we have been. There was another individual who
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Speaker 8: came on a visitors visa last week from Bangladesh to
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Speaker 8: speak at the same conference. When we became aware of
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Speaker 8: his comments, we canceled his visa.
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Speaker 3: So why wasn't due diligence done on these speakers before
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Speaker 3: the conference and on the conference itself before the public outrage?
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Speaker 3: After all, the Albanese government has only been too happy
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Speaker 3: and too quick to cancel the visas of Jewish politicians
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Speaker 3: and speakers ahead of their visits, including a serving Israeli
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Speaker 3: politician sim Kat Rothman last year. A former government Islet
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Speaker 3: Shakhad the year before that, and Jewish advocates HELLEL. Fulled
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Speaker 3: and Sammy yr Hood recently too notice a pattern here.
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Speaker 3: There has been a fatal reluctance in this country to
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Speaker 3: forcefully and swiftly confront fundamentalist Islam, even after we've been
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Speaker 3: shown in no uncertain terms where it can lead. It
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Speaker 3: was also revealed yesterday as Sydney Council had been warned
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Speaker 3: for two years about a prayer hall allegedly linked to
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Speaker 3: one of the Bondai shooters. Documents obtained under freedom of
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Speaker 3: information by nine newspapers reveal the council in question here
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Speaker 3: had received numerous complaints about our Medina Dawa Center dating
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Speaker 3: back to November twenty twenty three. That center was finally
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Speaker 3: closed in January this year after Canterbury Bankstown Council finally
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Speaker 3: found it didn't have the approvals to even operate as
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Speaker 3: a prayer hall. Arious hate preacher with some Haddad who's
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Speaker 3: been linked to surviving Bondai gunman Navid Akram, had to
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Speaker 3: be taken to the federal court for racial vilification by
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Speaker 3: Jewish community leaders after authorities repeatedly failed to act the
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Speaker 3: government can't afford to play catch up when it comes
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Speaker 3: to these dangerous spreaders of hatred against already vulnerable members
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Speaker 3: of the Australian community, and hatred against, let's face it,
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Speaker 3: anyone who doesn't subscribe to the most extreme interpretations of Islam.
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Speaker 3: Earlier today, I put questions to the Department of Home
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Speaker 3: Affairs about why visas had been issued in the first
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Speaker 3: place to both Sheikh Amudullah and mizen Or raman Asari,
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Speaker 3: as well as sought confirmation from the Department that they
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Speaker 3: have now both been permanently banned. But we haven't received
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Speaker 3: a response. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, to lose one Islamic
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Speaker 3: hate preacher may be regarded as a misfortune.
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Speaker 1: To lose both.
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Speaker 3: Looks like carelessness, and I fear these cases are just
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Speaker 3: the tip of the iceberg. How many more dangerous jew
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Speaker 3: haters and loaths of the West had slipped through the
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Speaker 3: cracks and been allowed into Australia, And perhaps of even
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Speaker 3: greater concern, how many more are homegrown and have been
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Speaker 3: allowed too long to keep spreading their filth. Well, let's
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Speaker 3: go to other news now. In the astonishing rise of
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Speaker 3: one nation continues. The latest news poll finding the party
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Speaker 3: leads both Labor and the LNP in Queensland. The quarterly
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Speaker 3: analysis shows one Nation's primary vote is at thirty percent
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Speaker 3: in the battleground state, ahead of Labor on twenty seven
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Speaker 3: and the LNP on twenty three. Support also climbing among
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Speaker 3: young voters and women. It's a brutal result for both
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Speaker 3: major parties and it puts a stat of Labour's Queensland
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Speaker 3: seats back in play. Joining me now is Women's Form
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Speaker 3: Australia Head of Advocacy Stephanie Bastian and the Lightly chief
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Speaker 3: writer Aaron Patrick. Welcome to you both, Aaron, I'll start
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Speaker 3: with you. How bad is this the Labor and the
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Speaker 3: Allen Pinn Queensland Caroline?
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Speaker 9: This looks like a seismic shift in what we've seen
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Speaker 9: playing out over the last year. This is a really
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Speaker 9: significant result for one nation. It shows that there's clearly
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Speaker 9: a national trend towards them. It's getting more, the supporter
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Speaker 9: is growing and this is going to really I think
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Speaker 9: worry senior people in the coalition because Queensland is such
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Speaker 9: conservative heartland and they're losing a huge number of voters
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Speaker 9: on their right flank.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, and I think for anyone who thought it
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Speaker 3: was just a blip on the radar, or maybe the
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Speaker 3: poles weren't going to really be a reflection of.
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Speaker 1: What happens at the ballot box. South Australia showed them
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 9: It showed it, it wasn't an anomaly and people prepared
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Speaker 9: to go through and actually vote. Now, we do have
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Speaker 9: to take these numbers with a bit of caution, okay,
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Speaker 9: because they're so large, it's sort of hard to see
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Speaker 9: one nation emerging as a bigger party in the House
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Speaker 9: Representatives and the coalition. But these figures have been so
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Speaker 9: persistent for since last year that they show it, they
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Speaker 9: must show a really significant shift in voters' views.
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Speaker 3: Stephanie, I thought it was interesting looking at the number
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Speaker 3: of women and young people in particular that have been
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Speaker 3: that are driven towards one nation. What do you think
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Speaker 3: is behind that and women in particular.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean we talk about the forgotten people, but
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Speaker 4: quite frankly, when it comes to balancing household budgets, mothers
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Speaker 4: in running families are often the first to feel the
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Speaker 4: pinch when it comes to rising electricity, cost of living fuel.
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Speaker 4: They're the ones on frontline buying groceries. So when these
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Speaker 4: cost of living issues come up and there's no real
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Speaker 4: proper policy reform from the major party, I think that's
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Speaker 4: a real driver towards One Nation. Secondly, Pauline has been
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Speaker 4: incredibly consistent on women's sex based rights.
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Speaker 1: Gender ideology, and while these are often.
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Speaker 4: Dismissed by both major parties as culture war issues. I mean,
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Speaker 4: particularly in Queensland you would know yourself through your documentary,
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Speaker 4: sporting has been a big issue amongst women, and of
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Speaker 4: course the bathroom issue there's been in state public schools
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Speaker 4: in Queensland, a lot of them are now gender neutral
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Speaker 4: and the fallout from that has been horrendous for girls
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Speaker 4: in relation to privacy and hygiene and all the rest
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Speaker 4: of it. So there's a lot of women out there
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Speaker 4: that are totally frustrated that their issues are not being
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Speaker 4: heard by the major parties or being dismissed, and they're
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Speaker 4: now looking at alternatives like One Nation, who are just
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Speaker 4: standing for common sense positions.
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Speaker 1: On these issues.
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Speaker 3: Well, if there's one thing Pauline Hanson knows that it
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Speaker 3: is what is a woman? You can say that for her, Aaron,
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Speaker 3: what do you think is leading younger voters to towards
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Speaker 3: the party, because typically we've seen, or we tend to hear,
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Speaker 3: they're more left leaning, then.
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Speaker 1: More progressive, but now they're going to one nation.
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Speaker 9: This is one of the really surprising aspects of it,
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Speaker 9: because young people do lean left, as you say, but
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Speaker 9: I think there's a substantial minority group of people, say
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Speaker 9: under thirty five, under thirty who are pushing back against
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Speaker 9: what they've seen. In my generation, we would have called
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Speaker 9: it political correctness, and then maybe we called it wokism.
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Speaker 9: But there was a really substantial group younger men or
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Speaker 9: so younger women too, are saying, hey, we're not comfortable
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Speaker 9: with this. You know, we want a different, different perspective.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a term for that too, they call
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Speaker 3: it based among the younger crowd. Look, let's talk about
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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump. He's threatened a tobomba Ruan's power
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Speaker 3: plants and bridges In an expletive leaden post on truth
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Speaker 3: Social he wrote, Tuesday will be power plant Day and
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Speaker 3: bridge day, all wrapped in up in one in Iran.
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Speaker 1: There will be nothing like it.
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Speaker 3: Open the effing straight to you crazy bastards, or you'll
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Speaker 3: be living in hell. Just watch praise be to Allah
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Speaker 3: President Donald J. Trump Stephanie. Some critics have said this
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Speaker 3: language is unpresidential. I personally think it's entirely within character
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Speaker 3: for Donald Trump, and frankly, I think it's excusable when
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Speaker 3: it comes to these mad mullers in Iran.
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Speaker 1: But what is your view?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think the niceties of the last thirty years,
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Speaker 4: the diplomatic words, have led to a nuclear threshold and
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Speaker 4: arranging that funds terrorism across the Middle East. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I'll let other people judge whether this language is appropriate,
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Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, twenty percent plus
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Speaker 4: of Iran's fuel comes of the world's fuel comes from
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Speaker 4: the Strait of Homaz, and Iram knows what it's is
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Speaker 4: at stake here. So I think a little more tough words,
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Speaker 4: a little more action is probably what needs to get
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Speaker 4: this conflict resolved.
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Speaker 1: Aaron, what do you make con Firs.
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Speaker 3: Do you think Trump looks strong here or does he
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Speaker 3: seem reckless?
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Speaker 1: Will he follow through on this thread?
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Speaker 9: Even very hard to know this morning when I was
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Speaker 9: looking on X and I saw the comments, and I
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Speaker 9: saw Peters Morgan, a British journalists.
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Speaker 5: Sit on X.
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Speaker 9: Did he really say this?
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Speaker 10: This?
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Speaker 9: Is this a fabricated quote and people say, no, no,
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Speaker 9: it's real, and clearly it was real. So President Trump
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Speaker 9: has taken us into uncharted waters in terms of presidential communication,
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Speaker 9: and for a lot of people around the world, that's
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Speaker 9: really uncomfortable because we're used to what we would call
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Speaker 9: statesmen holding these roles and that was not statesman like language,
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Speaker 9: and farbeit from us to give advice to the president.
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Speaker 1: But I hear he doesn't take that too kind.
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Speaker 9: No, I don't think you can. Well, I think anyone
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Speaker 9: else thinks in Australia, but I think he loses people
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Speaker 9: when he talks like this. The praise be Arether thing
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Speaker 9: was that I don't really understand what do you do?
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Speaker 1: You know what he meant by that?
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Speaker 3: I can only imagine he is take the piss to
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Speaker 3: use it so journalism.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a joke.
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Speaker 3: I always think there's a pinch of salts. I can
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Speaker 3: imagine the presidents saying it in his own voice. But
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Speaker 3: I also think it's entirely within character. As I say,
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Speaker 3: he has always been like this. He's always loved to
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Speaker 3: fire off a tweet in anger, and I think people, well,
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Speaker 3: he may lose some people. People also think he's authentic
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Speaker 3: and this is him, and he just says what he's thinking.
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Speaker 9: No one does Trump like Trump does.
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Speaker 3: No, they don't, look Aaron, you revealed exclusively for the
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Speaker 3: Lightly that an SAS squadron was flown into the Middle
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Speaker 3: East within a week of the Iran US war starting,
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Speaker 3: far earlier than was previously understood to have happened. Your
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Speaker 3: report suggests the government was preparing for possible evacuations of
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Speaker 3: Australians even as it publicly insisted Australia was not an
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Speaker 3: active participant in this war.
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Speaker 1: Aaron, Why was.
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Speaker 3: The government playing down the concern about getting Australians out
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Speaker 3: while sending these special forces in so early?
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Speaker 9: Look, I should first of all give credit to the
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Speaker 9: Daily Telegraph who substantially who reveal the news the SAS
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Speaker 9: have been sent over there. What I've found out from
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Speaker 9: my sources in the special forces community is is that
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Speaker 9: it looks like they were sent in the very first
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Speaker 9: week after the war began. So that essentially means is
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Speaker 9: the government. One of the very first things the Australian
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Speaker 9: government did, and we're talking and the Alban Eazy Pennywong
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Speaker 9: on Richard Miles, it was decided to send our most
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Speaker 9: elite unit to the war zone, which is a pretty
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Speaker 9: dramatic thing to do. That indicates they must have been very,
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Speaker 9: very concerned about the danger to Australian citizens over there,
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Speaker 9: and we're talking from the ambassadors down to regular tourists, and.
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Speaker 1: They kept it very quiet.
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Speaker 9: You remember at the time they were saying, listen, you
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Speaker 9: really need to get out. A lot of people get
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Speaker 9: on a commercial flight, you know, that's theficient way. But
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Speaker 9: clearly there was continuously planning going on in the background
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Speaker 9: for some kind of emergency airlifts and that's why the
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Speaker 9: SAS were there.
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Speaker 3: But why have they remained so secretive about it? I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know it's the SAS and they can't say that much.
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Speaker 3: Defense Minister Riche Miles said today he wouldn't confirm whether
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Speaker 3: troops had been sent to the Gulf States at all,
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Speaker 3: but he denied that Australian boots were on the ground
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Speaker 3: in Iran. So why the secrecy and do you think
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Speaker 3: they should have been taking more of an active role
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Speaker 3: in this as Trump has asked, Well, you know.
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Speaker 9: Rich Miles says, I want to be very transparent. He's
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Speaker 9: a defense minister. We don't have boots on the ground
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Speaker 9: in Iran. Will no one suggests for a second we're
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Speaker 9: actually setting military forces into Irun. Even the Americans haven't
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Speaker 9: done that. And what this is is the pattern of
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Speaker 9: conduct and the government to play everything down to say, hey,
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Speaker 9: it's not such a big deal. Don't everyone get worried.
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Speaker 9: You saw exactly what the fuel crisis too. They're all
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Speaker 9: constantly trying to lower the temperature and trying keep people
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Speaker 9: come while clearly very serious things are going on. I
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Speaker 9: think it's their operating style.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
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Speaker 3: Let's go back to One Nation because one of its
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Speaker 3: candidates in Pharaoh and the Pharaoh by election, David Farley,
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Speaker 3: he's being forced to explain why he once accused Barnaby
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Speaker 3: Joyce of pushing xenophobic fears about Chinese money buying Australian farmland. Now,
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Speaker 3: Farley says he stands by his remarks from back in
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Speaker 3: twenty twelve, but he insists the world has changed and
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Speaker 3: he now backs One Nation's anti foreign investment line. Stephanie,
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Speaker 3: I'll come to you on this one. We've already seen
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Speaker 3: some controversies for this particular candidate. There been reports that
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Speaker 3: he shared sexually suggestive posts or only fans models online
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Speaker 3: he called the former Prime Minister Julia Gillard an unproductive cow.
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Speaker 3: Do you think these latest revelations about all this inconsistencies
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Speaker 3: and his approach on farmland as well as the other controversies,
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Speaker 3: do you think they're going to be damaging for him?
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Speaker 4: Look, I think there's an element of disappointment around things
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Speaker 4: like the only fans, the contradictory statements, but voters aren't
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Speaker 4: particularly interested in the comments made by someone fifteen odd
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Speaker 4: years ago. I think the brand of One Nation is
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Speaker 4: bigger than anyone candidate, and he's fully committed to One
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Speaker 4: Nation's platform. Now he's admitted the times have changed since
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Speaker 4: he made those comments, and I think that because both
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Speaker 4: major parties have dropped the ball on the issues that
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Speaker 4: people care about the most. There's a cohort who genuinely
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Speaker 4: believe Paulleen Hanson's got the answer, and there's a cohort
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Speaker 4: who feel like anything but the status quo. So while
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Speaker 4: I think that these comments certainly raise a few eyebrows,
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Speaker 4: I think people just dismiss them and they're going to
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Speaker 4: vote one It's not going to turn them off voting
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Speaker 4: One Nation because people are sick of the status quo and.
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Speaker 1: They want change.
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Speaker 3: I dare say you're right, it's probably not the dirt
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Speaker 3: the summer, hoping that they're going to dig on some
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Speaker 3: of these One Nation candidates. Aaron Stephanie, thank you both
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Speaker 3: so much for your time. Let's get back to those
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Speaker 3: newspoll results showing One Nation is now polling ahead of
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Speaker 3: both Labor and the Coalition in Queensland. But the bigger
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Speaker 3: headache for the Liberals is where that support is coming
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Speaker 3: from former Coalition voters, Younger Australians and even women shifting
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Speaker 3: away from the center right party in big numbers. Joining
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Speaker 3: me now is liberal and p Tony Passen, Tony, great
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Speaker 3: to see you. Has One Nation become an existential threat
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Speaker 3: now to the Coalition?
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Speaker 11: Well, Cherry, thanks for having me on. I've been warning
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Speaker 11: members of the Labor Party, together with sender Alexanderkin South Australia,
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Speaker 11: for over a decade that we needed to be concerned
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Speaker 11: about our right flak and that concern is real now.
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Speaker 11: And what I'm not hearing from my Coalition colleagues all
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Speaker 11: of a sudden is, oh, well, is it should we
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Speaker 11: go left or should we go right? The reality is
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Speaker 11: that One Nation is proving that we should be moving
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Speaker 11: to the right now. The reality is on election night
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Speaker 11: I warned that politics in Australia will need to shift
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Speaker 11: to the right, not just the Liberal Party but all
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Speaker 11: parties because I spent a week on Prepole and there's
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Speaker 11: nothing clearer than spending that time with voters directly, and
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Speaker 11: I saw the themes that have come through today's newspole
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Speaker 11: writ large at those pre Pole locations. That being said,
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Speaker 11: we need to be careful about what this Newspole is saying.
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Speaker 11: It's an amalgam. Over three months that was a period
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Speaker 11: where the coalition was off again, if you like. We
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Speaker 11: had Susan Lee as leader of the Party for a
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Speaker 11: long time who had gone to the National Press cub
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Speaker 11: made it up welcome to country. She had sacked just
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Speaker 11: in the Price. These were big messages to the right
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Speaker 11: flank or suspence borders on the center right that the
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Speaker 11: Liberal Party was moving away from them. There's a real
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Speaker 11: change now with Matt Canavan leading the National Party and
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Speaker 11: of course Angus Taylor leading the Liberal Party. But we
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Speaker 11: need to be conscious of this because it's real. Excuse me,
22:18
Speaker 11: I saw it in South Australia and it's time for
22:21
Speaker 11: us to present our best selves. To the Australian people,
22:24
Speaker 11: and that is a center right government with center right
22:27
Speaker 11: policies consistent with our traditional liberal values.
22:35
Speaker 3: Came after the change in leadership for the Liberals. So
22:40
Speaker 3: do you really think that just a change in Angus
22:43
Speaker 3: Taylor and Matt Canavan is going to be enough. I mean,
22:45
Speaker 3: in particular, we're seeing women and young people, which is
22:49
Speaker 3: quite unexpected, shift away from the major parties and towards
22:52
Speaker 3: one nation.
22:54
Speaker 11: Yeah, Shari, the reality is.
22:57
Speaker 1: As you correct you, it is, Caroline.
22:58
Speaker 3: I am very flattered per you think I am filling
23:01
Speaker 3: in Peshari tonight, Tony, but go on, please, Oh, I
23:05
Speaker 3: think we've lost Tony. Maybe he was put off with
23:07
Speaker 3: me correcting him. We'll see if we can get him
23:09
Speaker 3: back a little later. But let's go to a break
23:13
Speaker 3: and when I come back, we'll have a lot more
23:15
Speaker 3: to talk about tonight. Let's return now to Liberal and
23:24
Speaker 3: p Tony Passen, who we lost a little bit earlier
23:27
Speaker 3: before the break. Tony, thanks for joining us again. I
23:31
Speaker 3: spoke at the top of the show about how two
23:33
Speaker 3: Islamic hate preachers had had their visas canceled by the
23:36
Speaker 3: Albanese government after their past comments were revealed by media outlets.
23:42
Speaker 3: Sheik Amadulla had called Jews despicable and the source of
23:45
Speaker 3: the world's unrest, while Missa Noor raman Asari said Jews
23:49
Speaker 3: deserved hitler and blamed them for AIDS. The question I
23:54
Speaker 3: have is why were they allowed in the country in
23:56
Speaker 3: the first place.
23:58
Speaker 11: Well, Carolyn, first, apologies and I certainly don't mind being
24:03
Speaker 11: pulled up, and that's not the reason we disconnected the
24:06
Speaker 11: Internet services in Australia. But look, I cannot believe that
24:12
Speaker 11: we've had to rely on news sources. The government has
24:17
Speaker 11: had to rely on a journalist to identify these vile
24:23
Speaker 11: hate preachers and the fact that they've been given permission
24:26
Speaker 11: to come into the country. It just speaks to the
24:29
Speaker 11: lack of professionalism and perhaps the lack of resourcing around
24:34
Speaker 11: investigating who is being given a visa to come to
24:37
Speaker 11: the country. And these are just some high profile examples,
24:40
Speaker 11: as you said in You're Editorial, What about all the
24:44
Speaker 11: other examples that might be coming in, you know, without
24:49
Speaker 11: the kind of fanfare that these hate preachers attracted.
24:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are just the ones we know about exactly,
24:56
Speaker 3: and that some journalists happen to get information about. I
25:00
Speaker 3: hate to think of how many others have slipped through
25:02
Speaker 3: the cracks. What do you think it says about Home
25:04
Speaker 3: Affairs bettings or the reluctance of this government to do
25:08
Speaker 3: due diligence on these sorts of speaking events in the
25:13
Speaker 3: Islamic community and properly confront the issues of fundamentalist Islam.
25:18
Speaker 11: Well, it's either a lack of resourcing, which I hope,
25:22
Speaker 11: or it's an aptitude towards the turning a blind eye.
25:26
Speaker 11: If it's the latter, I'm mortified. If it's the former,
25:30
Speaker 11: let's give the agency the resources it needs we should
25:34
Speaker 11: be providing. We should have been providing those resources in
25:36
Speaker 11: any event. But given the events of Bond Eye, there
25:40
Speaker 11: is absolutely no question that any resource that is sought
25:43
Speaker 11: by Home Affairs to investigate people who are being provided
25:49
Speaker 11: are visa to come to the country. It shouldn't be
25:51
Speaker 11: even a question. We need to keep Australian safe, particularly,
25:55
Speaker 11: as you said, a vulnerable cohort of Australians in circumstance
26:00
Speaker 11: is where there are people who would do them harm
26:03
Speaker 11: and spread this vile hate. It's disgusting.
26:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said on the fuel crisis, diesel is already
26:10
Speaker 3: above three dollars a liter at some bowsers, and the
26:12
Speaker 3: global diesel benchmark has served by a record forty six
26:15
Speaker 3: dollars in a day. Meanwhile, Chris Bowen is insisting Australia
26:20
Speaker 3: still has just twenty nine days of diesel supply and
26:23
Speaker 3: thirty nine days of petrol Tony, is this.
26:26
Speaker 11: Enough, Caroline? I reckon you would get whiplash listening to
26:31
Speaker 11: this government's mixed messages quite frankly. On the one side
26:34
Speaker 11: they say, crisis, what crisis, Everything's going swimmingly. On the
26:39
Speaker 11: other hand they say, look to your mind, if you're
26:41
Speaker 11: pull in a easeteack, can you just take the bare
26:43
Speaker 11: minimum you need to stone. I mean, the country uses
26:48
Speaker 11: one one hundred and seventy three million leaders of diesel
26:51
Speaker 11: a day. That's a phenomenal amount of diesel, and we
26:54
Speaker 11: need to make sure channels remain open. And I'm very,
26:59
Speaker 11: very concerned that Chris Bowen, who is the man who
27:02
Speaker 11: told us would get two hundred and seventy five dollars
27:04
Speaker 11: off our electricity bills, who tells us electricity bills will
27:08
Speaker 11: go down in any event. Australians are anxious. They're anxious
27:12
Speaker 11: because the very person who told them those things that
27:14
Speaker 11: haven't borne out to truth is saying, look, everything will
27:18
Speaker 11: be fine, and even if things are fine on the
27:21
Speaker 11: supply chain, your point to price, I mean, the price
27:25
Speaker 11: is three dollars at the moment. I've got farmers who
27:28
Speaker 11: are making decisions right now about whether it's viable for
27:30
Speaker 11: them to plant a crop, particularly when they know that
27:33
Speaker 11: the price of fertilizer has also doubled. And that's before
27:37
Speaker 11: I tell them, as I did today when I was
27:40
Speaker 11: doing a little bit of work on the farm, that
27:43
Speaker 11: there's a chance, given the futures market for crude oil,
27:48
Speaker 11: that we could see a much much higher price. This
27:52
Speaker 11: will be crippling, and potentially if supply is cut off
27:59
Speaker 11: or if prices search further, the economic impact of this
28:04
Speaker 11: circumstance will make COVID look like something was easy to negotiate,
28:10
Speaker 11: because our country runs on diesel and we need diesel
28:14
Speaker 11: to operate, and without it, or if it becomes a
28:18
Speaker 11: cost ineffective, then we've got a real problem in this country,
28:21
Speaker 11: one which is government will need to lean in hard
28:24
Speaker 11: like we did during COVID.
28:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't pretend there's nothing to see here, that's
28:28
Speaker 3: for sure. Tony Passon. Thank you so much for your
28:31
Speaker 3: time and for coming back on with us. Let's talk
28:34
Speaker 3: now about US President Donald Trump. He's hailed the daring
28:37
Speaker 3: rescue of a downed American airman as an Eastern miracle
28:42
Speaker 3: after he was.
28:42
Speaker 1: Pulled alive out of Iran. The Air Force.
28:45
Speaker 3: Kernel had been one of two crew flying in an
28:48
Speaker 3: F fifteen E fighter jet with a call SIGNDE forty
28:52
Speaker 3: four when it was shot down by Iranian forces on Friday.
28:56
Speaker 1: Now. The other crew member was.
28:57
Speaker 3: Able to be rescued quickly, but this second and climbed
29:01
Speaker 3: wounded to a mountain crevice where he head for two days.
29:05
Speaker 1: As Iranian militia closed.
29:07
Speaker 3: An extraordinary survival story and rescue story.
29:11
Speaker 1: Here.
29:12
Speaker 3: Joining me now for more on this and the latest
29:14
Speaker 3: on the war in the Middle East is retired Major
29:16
Speaker 3: General Gus McLachlin. Gus, thanks for your time tonight talk
29:21
Speaker 3: us through. How difficult would a rescue mission like this be?
29:27
Speaker 12: Khen the current US administration love their religious symbolism. This
29:32
Speaker 12: is a story of absolute professionalism and capability frankly, that
29:36
Speaker 12: only one country in the world has, and that's the
29:38
Speaker 12: ability to recover it's air and like this, this is
29:42
Speaker 12: something that the US Air Force practice for. It's always
29:46
Speaker 12: a real danger that a crew member will be will
29:49
Speaker 12: be lost over hostile territory. So they do practice it religiously,
29:53
Speaker 12: and they have very sophisticated combination of capability special forces.
29:59
Speaker 12: They have CIO information operations using deception to try and
30:03
Speaker 12: lure the Iranians into the wrong location, and then of
30:07
Speaker 12: course they had these gunships that could provide suppressing fire
30:12
Speaker 12: and extract this individual. His response, you know, I can
30:15
Speaker 12: only describe it as the height of professionalism. It's very
30:18
Speaker 12: interesting to have a colonel out there, Carolyn. So this
30:21
Speaker 12: is probably the wing commander of the wing involved doing
30:25
Speaker 12: his leadership stint, you know, understanding the conditions that he's
30:28
Speaker 12: air and are operating on over the battlefield. Well, he
30:32
Speaker 12: certainly found out what the conditions were like firsthand. But
30:35
Speaker 12: I think his performance will sort of echo through the
30:39
Speaker 12: US Air Force, and the Air Force itself is doing
30:41
Speaker 12: a remarkable job in this campaign. The problem is they
30:44
Speaker 12: don't necessarily have the strategy they need to get to
30:48
Speaker 12: achieve the positive outcome.
30:49
Speaker 3: Well we'll talk a little bit more about strategy and
30:52
Speaker 3: how this war is going on in a second, But
30:55
Speaker 3: what would have been at stake here had this rescue
30:58
Speaker 3: mission not been successful. If the Iranian regime had captured
31:02
Speaker 3: this US AM, and what do you think they would
31:05
Speaker 3: have done to him, and what impact would that have
31:07
Speaker 3: on morale and on the war itself.
31:10
Speaker 12: A great question, Carolyn, because I think that's at the
31:12
Speaker 12: heart of why so many resources are allocated to these
31:15
Speaker 12: sorts of missions. Of course, at the human level, you
31:18
Speaker 12: want to give every other pilot who's flying over the
31:21
Speaker 12: battlezone confidence that if this happens to them, every effort
31:26
Speaker 12: will be made to recover them. But the other reason
31:29
Speaker 12: is that you do not want to give your opposition
31:33
Speaker 12: a stick with which they can whack you back. This
31:36
Speaker 12: would have been hugely political. The individual would have been
31:40
Speaker 12: paraded before cameras, possibly after being beaten by segments of
31:47
Speaker 12: the population who recovered them. Now, we do understand that
31:49
Speaker 12: he landed in a very anti strongly anti regime location
31:54
Speaker 12: that may have helped him. We didn't see members of
31:57
Speaker 12: the local community getting out in the hunt for him,
32:00
Speaker 12: But certainly if we'd been captured by the regime, he
32:03
Speaker 12: would have been paraded and Trump would have been mocked
32:07
Speaker 12: in the same way that we're seeing them using social
32:11
Speaker 12: media and other platforms to really stir up the American leadership.
32:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank goodness, it was successful. Meanwhile, let's talk about
32:20
Speaker 3: how the war itself is going. Trump is now threatening
32:22
Speaker 3: to destroy Iran's energy infrastructure and bridges unless Tehran reopens
32:28
Speaker 3: the Strait of Moves by Monday's deadline, and a truth
32:31
Speaker 3: social post he wrote, Tuesday will be power plant day
32:35
Speaker 3: and bridge day, all wrapped up.
32:37
Speaker 1: In one in Iran.
32:38
Speaker 3: There was some cursing in there as well, but in response,
32:41
Speaker 3: Iran's Central Military Command has worn to the next stages
32:46
Speaker 3: of our offensive and retaliatory operations will be much more
32:49
Speaker 3: devastating and widespread.
32:51
Speaker 1: GUS.
32:52
Speaker 3: Do you see Trump actually following through with these threats
32:56
Speaker 3: or will the Iranians reopen the strait under a sustained
33:02
Speaker 3: pressure like this? Ah?
33:04
Speaker 12: Look, I don't think. I don't think the Iranians are
33:07
Speaker 12: going to reopen the straits as a result of these threats.
33:11
Speaker 12: I mean President Trump, Unfortunately, he has found himself in
33:15
Speaker 12: a maze. I think he's used to being able to
33:17
Speaker 12: trust his instincts politically, but they have not served him
33:21
Speaker 12: well in this kind of military strategy context. The Strait
33:24
Speaker 12: of Hormuz was always going to come into play. I
33:27
Speaker 12: suspect his advisors, or at least his military advisors, were
33:30
Speaker 12: telling him that, but those in his close circle allowed
33:34
Speaker 12: him to ignore it. And we've seen the level of frustration.
33:37
Speaker 12: Now we are hearing that possible talks maybe underway. It
33:42
Speaker 12: with regard to a temporary cease fire. That would be
33:47
Speaker 12: a positive outcome, but we've heard that before. Now, the
33:50
Speaker 12: problem with Trump's threats is unless he really goes after
33:55
Speaker 12: civil infrastructure, there's not much more that they can do.
33:59
Speaker 12: I think they've eliminated virtually every military target that they
34:02
Speaker 12: can conceive of. It's been an extraordinary bombing campaign, over
34:05
Speaker 12: a thousand targets a day being struck between Israel and
34:09
Speaker 12: the US. But once you go after civil infrastructure, you're
34:13
Speaker 12: getting into really difficult territory. Now, you can target your
34:17
Speaker 12: enemy's civil infrastructure if it has a military purpose. So
34:20
Speaker 12: a power plant that is powering a town but also
34:23
Speaker 12: powering a nearby air base is a legitimate potential target.
34:28
Speaker 12: But just bombing infrastructure for its own sake is not
34:33
Speaker 12: lawful under the laws of war. Now, again, I'm not
34:35
Speaker 12: sure that President Trump necessarily takes those kind of briefings
34:39
Speaker 12: In reverse. Of course, the Iranians are threatening to strike
34:43
Speaker 12: things like AI Data Center's water desalination plants and civil infrastructure.
34:49
Speaker 12: They have had significant reductions in their ability to strike back,
34:53
Speaker 12: but they have preserved some ability to conceal these shahedrones
34:57
Speaker 12: and some other missiles. So this is an incredible I
35:01
Speaker 12: wish I could give you an accurate prediction of what's
35:04
Speaker 12: going to come, Carolyn, but unfortunately I'm not proving to
35:07
Speaker 12: be terribly good at anticipating where these events are going
35:10
Speaker 12: to go.
35:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was going to ask you how long
35:13
Speaker 3: you see this war going? But it's pretty unpredictable, as
35:16
Speaker 3: you say. Gus McLachlin, thank you so much for your
35:18
Speaker 3: insights to night still to come. Why has King Charles
35:22
Speaker 3: gone quite at Easter? I'll discuss the backlash to that
35:25
Speaker 3: with Kosher Gada and Maura Redeeming joins me nex for
35:28
Speaker 3: her first interview since winning pre selection after that chaotic
35:32
Speaker 3: Liberal Party battle.
35:34
Speaker 1: That's next.
35:39
Speaker 3: Conservative MP Moira Deeming has secured Liberal preselection after a
35:44
Speaker 3: farcical battle that saw the party initially endorse a man
35:48
Speaker 3: who provided a character reference for a convicted child's sex offender.
35:53
Speaker 3: The Liberal Party's State executive confirmed yesterday Deeming's endorsement for
35:57
Speaker 3: the top spot on its upper House ticket for the
36:00
Speaker 3: Western Metropolitan region. It comes after she was beaten in
36:04
Speaker 3: the first pre selection vote by Indian community leader Dinesh Gurasetti,
36:09
Speaker 3: supported by the party's moderate wing, but he was forced
36:13
Speaker 3: to step aside after it was revealed he'd provided a
36:16
Speaker 3: reference for a pedophile friend more redeeming joins me out
36:21
Speaker 3: for her first interview since her pre selection more of
36:24
Speaker 3: First of all, congratulations now that you've formerly been endorsed
36:29
Speaker 3: by the party. How are you feeling after what has
36:32
Speaker 3: been a bruising few days.
36:36
Speaker 10: I'd love it to be here, Carolyn. I'm just feeling resolute, actually,
36:40
Speaker 10: because Victorians have been suffering for long enough. It's time
36:43
Speaker 10: for the Liberal Party to focus on the real enemy,
36:46
Speaker 10: which is labor.
36:47
Speaker 3: You've spoken about being a survivor of child sexual abuse yourself.
36:52
Speaker 3: What did you think when you learned that this man
36:55
Speaker 3: who'd been chosen by your own party over you in
36:59
Speaker 3: that top ticket spot, had provided a character reference for
37:03
Speaker 3: a child sex offender.
37:07
Speaker 10: To be brutally honest with you, I was completely disgusted
37:13
Speaker 10: and I was absolutely demoralized. I couldn't believe that that
37:22
Speaker 10: had happened.
37:24
Speaker 3: I know it must be hard for you to talk about.
37:26
Speaker 3: I know survivors of child sexual abuse. It stays with
37:31
Speaker 3: you for a lifetime, So I appreciate your honesty. In
37:36
Speaker 3: a social media post, you thanked a lot of the
37:38
Speaker 3: people who stood beside you in this pretty ugly preselection fight,
37:43
Speaker 3: and that included the opposition leader, Jess Wilson. When you
37:47
Speaker 3: consider what happened to you under the previous leader, John Persudo,
37:51
Speaker 3: you were expelled for attending a rally for women's rights
37:55
Speaker 3: that happened to be get crashed by now Anncies. You
37:58
Speaker 3: then want a defamation against the former Liberal leader John Persudo,
38:02
Speaker 3: and then you saw your own party bail him out
38:05
Speaker 3: with at one point five million dollar loan to avoid
38:07
Speaker 3: bankruptcy just so he can pay you.
38:11
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's signals.
38:13
Speaker 3: The support from the new leader, Jess Wilson. Do you
38:16
Speaker 3: think that signals a different direction for the party.
38:21
Speaker 10: I think Jess understands that all of these internal fights,
38:28
Speaker 10: if they have to be had, they cannot be played
38:30
Speaker 10: out in public. They cannot distract us from our goal,
38:32
Speaker 10: from our real purpose, which is to actually serve the
38:35
Speaker 10: people of Victoria. They have been suffering, They have been
38:38
Speaker 10: betrayed as a whole, entire class of people by their
38:41
Speaker 10: own party, and they're looking for an alternative, and we
38:43
Speaker 10: need them to look at us, and that's only going
38:45
Speaker 10: to happen if we're worthy. And so I just think
38:47
Speaker 10: she's focused on the actual, real job, and I commend
38:50
Speaker 10: her for it.
38:51
Speaker 3: There were reports over that few days when things were
38:55
Speaker 3: up in the air over what was going to happen
38:58
Speaker 3: with you and the party. There were reports that were
39:00
Speaker 3: being courted by one nation while all this was playing out.
39:04
Speaker 3: Did Pauline Hanson ever reach out to you? Were you
39:06
Speaker 3: ever tempted to defect? Considering they are enjoying quite a
39:11
Speaker 3: surge in the polls.
39:15
Speaker 10: Well, a few parties reached out to me, and I
39:17
Speaker 10: did say that I was very grateful for that. So
39:19
Speaker 10: it wouldn't have been a matter of me defecting so
39:21
Speaker 10: much as me accepting that I was rejected by this
39:26
Speaker 10: party and me considering that I would. I feel that
39:30
Speaker 10: I have a role to play in securing just laws
39:35
Speaker 10: for people in this state, and I wanted to be
39:37
Speaker 10: involved in that. So, look, I didn't know what I
39:41
Speaker 10: was going to do. It was a very confusing time.
39:43
Speaker 10: As I said, I think losing the pre selection was
39:46
Speaker 10: expected for me. I had obviously seen the numbers and
39:49
Speaker 10: the people in the room. But I decided to go
39:51
Speaker 10: through that pre selection battle because I had asked people
39:54
Speaker 10: to stay and stick with the party all throughout my trial,
39:59
Speaker 10: and they stuck in for me, and I thought, well,
40:02
Speaker 10: I need to do the honorable thing and go all
40:04
Speaker 10: the way through to the end for them. And I
40:06
Speaker 10: had accepted that result, but as we just discussed, to
40:09
Speaker 10: see that it wasn't well managed in the very worst
40:13
Speaker 10: possible way was.
40:16
Speaker 1: Very shocking.
40:16
Speaker 10: And so look, I just think at the end of
40:19
Speaker 10: the day, we do, no matter what, have to get
40:21
Speaker 10: back to serving people. And look, I think one nation
40:27
Speaker 10: picking up on the fact that everyday voters feel looked
40:30
Speaker 10: down upon by so many of this elite political class,
40:34
Speaker 10: and I don't judge them, and people are suffering. I
40:39
Speaker 10: don't have any contempt for these people at all, and
40:42
Speaker 10: I think in order to beat labor they are going
40:44
Speaker 10: to have to be very serious conversations. And it's not
40:48
Speaker 10: actually a position that any major political party is in
40:50
Speaker 10: to look down on one nation anymore.
40:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think you're absolutely right on having conservative
40:57
Speaker 3: members of the party is going to help stem the
41:01
Speaker 3: flow in many respects to one nation for people who
41:06
Speaker 3: are disengaged and disgruntled with what's happening with the Liberal Party.
41:10
Speaker 3: But let's move on to what is happening in Victoria
41:13
Speaker 3: and an Australian first treaty legislation has passed the Victorian
41:17
Speaker 3: Parliament last week, meaning every new law that the Parliament
41:20
Speaker 3: debates will first need a treaty stamp of approval. Now,
41:24
Speaker 3: some of your colleagues in the opposition have decried this
41:27
Speaker 3: as embedding division in the legislative process. Warren Mundine has
41:31
Speaker 3: called it a third chamber based on race Murra.
41:34
Speaker 1: What is your view about this treaty.
41:39
Speaker 10: I think it's a perverse reversal. It's almost like those
41:44
Speaker 10: you know, the landlords of back in the day when
41:48
Speaker 10: you know we had serfs. You know, everybody in this
41:50
Speaker 10: state now is going to have to get on their
41:54
Speaker 10: knees and beg for this unaccountable body to please let
41:57
Speaker 10: us pass a law. And you're not even allowed toy
42:00
Speaker 10: that body. You're not allowed to ask the questions, you're
42:02
Speaker 10: allowed to see who's a member. It's a disgrace, it's
42:05
Speaker 10: anti democratic and it's racist.
42:07
Speaker 1: In New South Wales.
42:08
Speaker 3: The government here is now facing the possibility of having
42:12
Speaker 3: to cull a number of male MPs before next year's
42:16
Speaker 3: state election, and that's to avoid breaching Labour's own affirmative
42:19
Speaker 3: action rules demanding equal representation between men and women. I mean,
42:24
Speaker 3: given so many on the left, and I have to say,
42:27
Speaker 3: even some of your own party, at least in the
42:29
Speaker 3: part not so distant past, don't seem to be able
42:33
Speaker 3: to tell us what a woman is. I think it
42:35
Speaker 3: is pretty astonishing that they are going so far as
42:38
Speaker 3: to consider culing men just to meet this quota.
42:43
Speaker 10: Oh Carolyn, when they want to recognize a man when
42:46
Speaker 10: it suits them, they always can. You know, why don't
42:49
Speaker 10: they just identify as a woman.
42:50
Speaker 1: It's a disgrace.
42:51
Speaker 10: The Labour Party is anti woman. It has absolutely lost
42:55
Speaker 10: all its credentials on women's rights and child safeguarding for
42:58
Speaker 10: that matter. And I think it's said as well that
43:01
Speaker 10: anyone else would consider it, especially the Liberal Party. Sex
43:04
Speaker 10: is like skin color. It's not a measure of your
43:06
Speaker 10: moral worth. It's absolutely absurd that we would be measuring
43:09
Speaker 10: candidates for Parliament on the basis of an attribute that.
43:13
Speaker 1: They were born with.
43:14
Speaker 10: We need people of character, We need people who are talented.
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Speaker 10: This is this is how we've gotten into this ridiculous situation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's an insult to women as well,
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Speaker 3: but you're right. Maybe they need to start identifying as
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Speaker 3: women and make it stay because they'll meet the ratio.
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Speaker 3: We're redeeming. Thank you and congratulations again on the pre selection.
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Speaker 3: Still to come. Backlash for King Charles after the Palace
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Speaker 3: posts a generic Eastern message but nothing personal from the King.
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Speaker 1: Plus for matory.
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Speaker 3: Michael gob admits he's been searching for pictures of the
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Speaker 3: British Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood online. It's all a little creepy.
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Speaker 3: Koshagada joins me next, welcome back.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 3: As Brits celebrate Easter Sunday today, they woke to a
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Speaker 3: simple message from the royal family saying Happy Easter. He
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Speaker 3: has risen now. That post comes after backlash over the
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Speaker 3: Palace's announcement King Charles would not put out a personal
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Speaker 3: Easter message, despite having done so for the past two years.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Skaan New's contributor Koshagada kosher this
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Speaker 3: decision not to put out an Eastern message from the King.
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Speaker 1: That's annoyed a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of people, especially with the King and Queen heading to
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Speaker 3: the traditional Easter service in Windsorstill and a lot of
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Speaker 3: people have been pointing out online in particular that the
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Speaker 3: King did issue a public Ramadan.
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Speaker 1: Message this year as well as last year.
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Speaker 3: So why do you think he decided to skip an
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Speaker 3: Easter one this year?
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Speaker 13: It is something that's definitely generating a lot of controversy
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Speaker 13: or some controversy, raising a lot of eyebrows for all
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Speaker 13: the reasons you stated, Caroline, And we can only guess
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Speaker 13: why that is, Like, is he maybe trying to give
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Speaker 13: a nod to multiculturalism and that's why.
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Speaker 1: He did the Ramadan thing and not Easter.
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Speaker 13: Defenders will point out that the Easter message is traditionally
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Speaker 13: not something that the monarchs always do. Queen Elizabeth herself
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Speaker 13: only did it once in her seventy year reign during
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Speaker 13: COVID and twenty twenty however he has done it twice.
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Speaker 1: He was very happy to do the Ramadan thing.
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Speaker 13: And the other thing too that it's important to remember
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Speaker 13: is there is not separation of church and state in
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Speaker 13: the UK the way for example, it is in America,
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Speaker 13: and so the monarch is the supreme governor of the
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Speaker 13: religion and the defender of the faith. And for that reason,
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Speaker 13: I think it's irked people that it feels like a.
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Speaker 1: Little bit of an unforced error.
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Speaker 13: And at a minimum, if you're going to do Ramadan,
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Speaker 13: you probably, as the monarch of the UK, want to
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Speaker 13: do the same for Easter, which is the holiest day
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Speaker 13: in the calendar for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: And as you point out, he's the defender of the faith,
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Speaker 3: that is his apparent titles. Strange, she's not defending the
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Speaker 3: faith here, I guess I mean, not exactly, but.
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Speaker 1: With an Eastern message. Look, let's stay in the UK.
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Speaker 3: Former senior Tory Cabinet minister Michael Gove he's made somewhat
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Speaker 3: of a cringe confession, admitting he spends quite a lot
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Speaker 3: of time googling pictures of the British Home Secretary online.
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Speaker 3: Gove has called Shabana Mahmoud gorgeous and said his interest
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Speaker 3: is both political and romantic.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 2: Only do worry though, that if Shabona Mamod had access
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Speaker 2: to my browsing history, she would discover that quite a
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Speaker 2: lot of my browsing is me typing in Shabana mah
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Speaker 2: mood images or mood history watchd but like a political
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Speaker 2: crush or a cross crush. Oh both.
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Speaker 1: I think she's gorgeous, but I think kosher. I'm not
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Speaker 1: quite sure what to make of this.
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Speaker 3: Is this in jest because it seems a little bit
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Speaker 3: creepy to me that he's admitting this obsession with the
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Speaker 3: Home Secretary.
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Speaker 13: Yes, you took the words out of her mouth. Cringe,
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Speaker 13: I would say, definitely, little cringe.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 13: Is he trying to like shore up his bipartisan bona
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Speaker 13: fides because she's know from the other side of the
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Speaker 13: aisle and he's trying to It's a weird way be
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Speaker 13: an equal opportunity of defender. I'm not sure. I will
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Speaker 13: say that there is a reason why many people hold
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Speaker 13: politicians in not the highest regard. This doesn't help. It's
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Speaker 13: sort of like just sit down. I know he's a
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Speaker 13: former minister, but in general, sit down, do your job.
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Speaker 13: Be serious. We don't need to know or hear about this.
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Speaker 13: And I think it's also a reflection of podcast culture,
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Speaker 13: where everybody now goes around and sits in front of
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Speaker 13: microphones for long form interviews like that for hours and
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Speaker 13: hours on end. And then you know, they let their
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Speaker 13: filter down, their their masks slip, and unfortunately we get
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Speaker 13: to hear all the dark and devious things that are
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Speaker 13: going through their minds.
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Speaker 1: In the world of politics, some things you just don't
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Speaker 1: need to hear to you, And may be you're right.
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Speaker 1: I think that's probably it.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the US now with there's been this
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Speaker 3: astonishing case of a woman who's been found after being.
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Speaker 1: Missing for thirty two years.
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Speaker 3: Thirteen year olds Christina Marine Planned had banished in Arizona
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Speaker 3: back in nineteen ninety four, but police say they've now
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Speaker 3: identified her alive, age forty four.
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Speaker 1: Kosher.
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Speaker 3: I understand there's not many details being released about this,
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Speaker 3: but what more can you tell us?
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Speaker 13: This is something that definitely gripped the nation, just because
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Speaker 13: cold cases are uniquely tragic and they really do rip
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Speaker 13: people as stories that just never have any closure, and
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Speaker 13: now with modern day technology, somehow they were able to
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Speaker 13: identify her. As you say, they're not releasing details beyond that,
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Speaker 13: there is some reporting, not from official authorities, with People Magazine,
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Speaker 13: NBC News and others saying that she was not kidnapped,
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Speaker 13: which is what the worst fear was, but that it
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Speaker 13: was a case of a runaway at the.
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Speaker 1: Time we're going to have ended there.
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Speaker 3: I guess the mystery continues. Kosher, the mystery continues. Maybe
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Speaker 3: we'll find out more. She wasn't kidnapped, what happened to her?
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Speaker 3: Kosher Gata? Thank you and thank you at home for
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Speaker 3: joining me tonight. Coming up next, Paul Murray hosted by
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Speaker 3: James McPherson.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you here tomorrow. Lives