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Portland’s Haunting Music Hall - The Crystal Ballroom · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Speaker 1: One night, a staff member was cleaning up after the
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Speaker 1: place was closed when they saw a couple doing the
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Speaker 1: jitterbug on the dance floor. But then before he can
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Speaker 1: go over and be like, hey, we're closed, Like you
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Speaker 1: gotta go. You gotta got no jitterbugging on this dance
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Speaker 1: floor tonight. That's enough of the jitterbug, they disappeared. Can
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Speaker 1: you imagine if that was like their first dance and
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Speaker 1: they met that night and then we're together forever and ever,
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Speaker 1: and their souls were always just doing the jitterbug on
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Speaker 1: the night this mint, Oh, that's giving me such chills.
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Speaker 1: Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people, Holly, if you're
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Speaker 1: new here to a creepy little corner of the world.
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Speaker 1: This is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
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Speaker 1: the paranormal, and all things creepy, spooking, weird in the
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Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. That's what I've heard. We also do a
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Speaker 1: Tiro reading at the end of every episode for a
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Speaker 1: little bit of deeper insight into our topic. And we
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Speaker 1: also call the Pacific Northwest the PNW. If you're nasty, yes,
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Speaker 1: Cassie insists on it. I just really want people to
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Speaker 1: know what the PNW means in our name. Yeah, So
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember we did an
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Speaker 1: episode on the mcmhennimu's Crystal Hotel with our friends Shay
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Speaker 1: and Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes. Yeah you remember,
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Speaker 1: you remember? I remember, And the Crystal Hotel we kind
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Speaker 1: of talked about, has like a sister property, which is
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Speaker 1: the Crystal Ballroom, which is the concert venue in downtown
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Speaker 1: Portland in the same area. It's like right across the street,
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Speaker 1: basically like across the street, down the block a little bit, yeah,
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Speaker 1: from the Crystal Hotel. And I'm going to tell you
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Speaker 1: about that because it's only natural since we just talked
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Speaker 1: about the Crystal Hotel to go ahead and just talk
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Speaker 1: about the Crystal Ballroom. Tell me, Shay talked a little
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Speaker 1: bit about some of the things and like her experiences
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Speaker 1: or her mom's experiences at the Crystal Ballroom even too.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I might insert because I think I cut
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Speaker 1: those out of the episode, so I might like insert
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Speaker 1: those in here and you might just you know, get
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Speaker 1: a little taste of Rainy Day Rabbit Holes again. Ooh,
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Speaker 1: I love that taste. The rainbow, the rainbow Hole. Oh well, hey,
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Speaker 1: it's Pride month Man. Yeah. Yeah, taste the Rainbow rabbit Hole. Ooo. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So we talked about in the Crystal Hotel episode that
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Speaker 1: all of the artwork from there was inspired by performances
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Speaker 1: at the Crystal Ballroom. Yeah. Do you know? You probably don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm asking you this, but do
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Speaker 1: you know what their slogan is at the Crystal Ballroom?
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Speaker 1: Oh God, I feel like I should. It's on the
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Speaker 1: website and everything. It is on any night, anything can happen.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, which is like whoa? I mean? Oh, it
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Speaker 1: is Portland keeping it weird. If you're nasty, if you're creepy,
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Speaker 1: weird and nasty, you might be welcome at the Crystal Ballroom.
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Speaker 1: You'd have to be. Yeah. So I've never actually been
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Speaker 1: into the Crystal Ballroom. I can't remember if you said that,
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Speaker 1: if you had or not, Yes, yeah, okay, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: it's blasphemy.
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Speaker 2: It's it's a problem that we are we are going
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Speaker 2: to work diligently on correcting.
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Speaker 1: We will fix this. We wow. So but I can't
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Speaker 1: really speak to this, but I read that it is
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Speaker 1: quite an inspiring place with its vaulted ceilings, grand chandelier
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Speaker 1: and de cour and of course the famous dance floor,
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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about later. So no, no spoiler yet.
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Speaker 1: Lots of thoughts and feelings.
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Speaker 2: It looks very much like you would expect any mcmanimon's
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Speaker 2: location to look like. It's very you know, eccentric, and
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Speaker 2: but the vaulted ceilings, that's for sure, Like that's it's
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Speaker 2: so cool in that type of a venue to go
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Speaker 2: and see a live show. It's a beautiful venue. It's
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Speaker 2: like obviously kind of also, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, like I said, eccentric, eccentric and historic histor It
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Speaker 1: was built in nineteen fourteen as Cotillion Hall what here
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Speaker 1: de Wertantes were to be formally introduced into the public
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Speaker 1: for male consumption. Yeah, oh my goodness, I wrote, like
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Speaker 1: a gag. But yeah, so we all kind of know
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Speaker 1: what happens that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe I guess to me, I don't
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Speaker 2: think of that being something that it's like a part
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Speaker 2: of the lived experience of anyone outside of like the South. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I thought, I guess I'm learning something new that Katillion
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Speaker 2: was part of history even here.
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Speaker 1: In Portland, yep, which I didn't I didn't really know either. Okay,
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Speaker 1: it kind of like reminds me too. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it has anything to do with it, but like
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Speaker 1: how we have the Rose Parade and there's always like
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Speaker 1: isn't there always like a princess or something of like
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Speaker 1: the Rose Parade or.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know specific to like any parade if
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Speaker 2: they're like related, but like you.
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Speaker 1: Can see where it's like it like the pageantry. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you know, and yeah, I don't know, they there
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Speaker 1: could be a little bit of a connection there. Interesting,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, it was a pretty profitable business
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Speaker 1: until the nineteen twenties when the owner Montrose Wringler, cut
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Speaker 1: the cotillion crap and started playing jazz music. Do you
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Speaker 1: have a jazz cigarette? They probably did have jazz cigarettes.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think people liked it much. We'll get into.
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Speaker 2: It, okay, Yeah, I mean you know that was sort
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Speaker 2: of a subversive element at that point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've heard mentions of like back in this
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Speaker 1: time when they started dance halls, it was kind of
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Speaker 1: like illegal to like touch your partner basically, like you
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Speaker 1: had to had to be like, you know, leave room
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Speaker 1: for Jesus rules. Oh so when they started playing jazz
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Speaker 1: and like you know, dancing close and yeah, maybe hitting
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Speaker 1: some sick some slow jam. Yes, people people weren't. Some
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Speaker 1: people weren't a fan of it.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, what is it they say about, like, uh,
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Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly how it goes, but the song,
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Speaker 2: you know, bump and grind, Like.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it is.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I was like, I can't remember
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Speaker 2: how it goes. All I remember is the bump and
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Speaker 2: grind part.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's all you remember is a bump and
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Speaker 1: grind part.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean arguably that's the memorable part. I'm just saying.
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Speaker 1: So some people in Portland, believe it or not, believe
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Speaker 1: that the dance halls were evil them devil worshipers in
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Speaker 1: those in those dance halls. They wanted them banned from
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Speaker 1: Portland altogether. And people did actually get together to get
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Speaker 1: wringlers dance all shut down. Oh my god, I know,
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Speaker 1: what is this? The town and Footlooths kind of yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is kind of the town in.
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Speaker 2: Footloose, I mean like many many years prior to I
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Speaker 2: think when that story takes place, but still still still.
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Speaker 1: But one of these people was named Lola Baldwin. I know,
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Speaker 1: we have another Lola we're going to talk about. Do
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Speaker 1: you know Lola Baldwin. I mean only in the sense
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Speaker 1: that I know that there's Ah, yes, you kind of
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Speaker 1: spoiled it. But we'll let you get away with it, okay,
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Speaker 1: or you can just cut it out. Oh that's true. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: maybe we'll see how it works. Or I'll let you
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Speaker 1: I'll let you say that at the end. Maybe I'll oh,
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Speaker 1: there you go, because you didn't. I didn't know about
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Speaker 1: it until I did this research. I learned a lot
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Speaker 1: about Lola actually from a presentation by her grandchildren and
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Speaker 1: it was put on by the historian for mcminimons. Wow.
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Speaker 1: So they videoed this and they put it on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: So I got to watch it. And I'm gonna say,
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Speaker 1: Lola's grandkids they might be like, you know, in their nineties,
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Speaker 1: but they are freaking adorable. Oh they are so cute.
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Speaker 1: And I could just like listen to them talk about
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Speaker 1: their lives all day like they love that. It was
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Speaker 1: so cute. They've got they've got all the good story.
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Speaker 1: They do have a lot of good stories, and I
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Speaker 1: didn't include like nearly half of it, you know, like wow.
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Speaker 1: So if anyone's interested in watching the video obviously, I'll
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Speaker 1: link it for you, but they do, I might do.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do patroon bonus on Lola because there is
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Speaker 1: a ton of interesting information about her. But we're going
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Speaker 1: to get into a little bit about her right now,
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Speaker 1: love it? Do it? So many described her, including her grandchildren,
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Speaker 1: as a stern woman. Yeah, a well meaning, but a
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Speaker 1: stern woman. Yeah. And they showed pictures of her and
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Speaker 1: she was very stern. Did she look like the farmer's
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Speaker 1: wife in the Pitchfork photo? Yes, like literally yes, so intense,
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Speaker 1: very intense. Yeah. Yeah. And they did show a picture
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Speaker 1: of her at the very end, a picture of her smiling,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, okay, so she does have
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Speaker 1: it in her but for the most yeah, just you know,
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Speaker 1: it's like a resting face, yes, arresting stern face. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We won't call her a bee, we won't disuspect her. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I want to hear more before
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Speaker 1: I decide, right, it's called it might be complicated emotions
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Speaker 1: about this, So okay, Lola was a fan of things
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Speaker 1: like prohibition. Obviously I knew. If I knew it, I
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Speaker 1: can tell by the sternness of her face, and well,
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Speaker 1: that's what I pictured.
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Speaker 2: It is like the pictures of the women in all
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Speaker 2: of the like prohibition like related like articles and stuff
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Speaker 2: we've I mean, we've talked about it before and I
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Speaker 2: was like, for.
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Speaker 1: Shame, yep, yep, she was one of them. But she
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Speaker 1: was involved in a lot of organizations helping women and girls,
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Speaker 1: so she was very passionate about that. And she was
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Speaker 1: concerned about vulnerable young women being preyed upon in the
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Speaker 1: dance halls. Sure, and that's fair, it's fair. Yeah, sure
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Speaker 1: that it needed to go to the you know, lengths
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Speaker 1: of shutting places down. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that goes back to, like, instead of
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Speaker 2: policing what women wear, maybe we raise boys and men
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Speaker 2: in a way that doesn't make women feel fearful.
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Speaker 1: Right to walk the street? Right, Yeah you think.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe in the future. I feel like
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Speaker 2: even now, even now, pretty novel idea.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty out there. And she thought, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure a lot of other people, well I don't need
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Speaker 1: to Like a lot of other people also thought that,
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Speaker 1: especially in these places playing the evil jazz music, that
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Speaker 1: this is where it was happening. It wasn't going to
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Speaker 1: be happening in a place, you know, playing like classical
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Speaker 1: music or like country music or something was what they thought.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure this doesn't really need to be said, but
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Speaker 1: there was also a lot of racism behind that, right.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't just you know, protecting young women. There was
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Speaker 1: a lot of racism because obviously, you know, jazz music
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Speaker 1: is black music, and they were doing anything they could
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Speaker 1: to shut anything like that down. So, right, but that
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Speaker 1: was the reasons that Lola gave.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course, you know, the first concern should
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Speaker 2: always be protecting the purity of wat women.
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Speaker 1: Fat warmen. Yeah, I'm sure they probably didn't care what
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Speaker 1: was happening if it wasn't white women like disappearing, because
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Speaker 1: there were women disappearing at this time too, So you
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Speaker 1: don't say, yeah, almost like.
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Speaker 2: It's been happening for all of time, since the beginning
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Speaker 2: of time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. In nineteen oh eight, Lola was presented with badge
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Speaker 1: number thirty three, not only as the first policewoman for
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Speaker 1: the PPD or the Portland Police Department, but she was
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Speaker 1: the first policewoman in the whole last country. Oh okay,
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Speaker 1: I mean good for her. Good for her. I had
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Speaker 1: no idea like, yeah, we hire the first policewoman.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised. I think that the first
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Speaker 2: doctor and lawyer license was also in the Pacific Northwest.
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Speaker 1: I love that we're so impressive over here, you guys.
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen before we go to nor Horn too much. Yes, yeh, yes,
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Speaker 1: and no, we hire the women as policemen who shut
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Speaker 1: down the jazz dance halls. That's what we did because
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Speaker 1: racism and misogyny, you know, like ahead of our time
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Speaker 1: in some respects. And then you know, and Lola was
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Speaker 1: the one who got Wrigular's dance hall shut down. She
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Speaker 1: was specifically the person who was like really in on
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Speaker 1: that place. And I don't know if that's why she
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Speaker 1: like became a police woman or shut down like that.
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Speaker 2: She's like, I gotta get the badge and then I'll
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Speaker 2: get the place shut down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, could be that's just the hat rack. She was right,
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Speaker 1: that's right. But Wrangler the old rascal refused to be
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Speaker 1: stopped and he moved his dance hall two both. I'm
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Speaker 1: on a boat, I know, and I was like, wait,
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Speaker 1: was this the inspo for the dance floor. We'll get there,
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Speaker 1: we'll get there, we'll get there. Oh my god. But
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Speaker 1: Lola refused to relent as well, and she also shut
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Speaker 1: his dance boat down. The She was like, no, you're
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Speaker 1: swimming out into the middle of the lake to go
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Speaker 1: shut down their dance party. I think it's a light.
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Speaker 1: I think she like went through and like looked at
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Speaker 1: all like the laws and like found one where she
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Speaker 1: could like point it out and be like, no, you
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Speaker 1: can't have a dance hall boat.
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, there it's it's it's on the water. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Like can we just pretend like international laws because water?
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Speaker 1: But those young women, she had to protect them. She
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Speaker 1: just like go on without protecting those young women and
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Speaker 1: shutting down the dance boats.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean you chase them off from the first
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Speaker 2: venue and they're like, you know what, that sucks, but
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Speaker 2: dance boat and they they run over there to the
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Speaker 2: dance boat, and then she's following them like what be hell,
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Speaker 2: we we're literally running away from you, Lula La Lula.
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Speaker 1: Oh. I like to think she had a good heart,
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Speaker 1: but her grand children that she did. Yeah, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: she did. But you know, some things can be true.
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Speaker 1: You could be a real bummer and still have a
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Speaker 1: good heart. A real buzz kill Lola was, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: well we'll get her back, don't worry. Also, in this presentation,
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Speaker 1: the kids they said, as kids they lived on a
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Speaker 1: houseboat and they would see a double decker dance barge
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Speaker 1: go by. So it was like this was like an
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Speaker 1: actual thing, people dancing on boats. And I think it's
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Speaker 1: still I think it still is slightly a thing.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean like the Portland Spirit they do
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Speaker 2: like boat tours and like dinner cruises and things.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I would imagine. Yeah, but just
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Speaker 1: like the a double decker dance barge just sounded so cool,
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Speaker 1: like yeah, in the in the I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it was like the thirties or the forties when they
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Speaker 1: when the kids saw that, but I love that. I'm
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Speaker 1: here for it either way. Yeah, I might get seasick,
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Speaker 1: but you know we'll see no, no, no. See.
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Speaker 2: The thing is is that like if you if you dance,
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Speaker 2: then it like counteracts the motion sickness.
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Speaker 1: Oh, if you drink, it counteracts the motion sickness. I mean,
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Speaker 1: couldn't hurt, right, I'm spinning one way, the boats spin
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Speaker 1: in the other just sequels out. I mean yeah, at
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Speaker 1: some point you just break even since poor Montrose Wringler
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Speaker 1: kept getting his shit shut down. He had to sell
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Speaker 1: the ballroom, unfortunately to a man named Dad Watson. And
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Speaker 1: Dad isn't quote, so I assume that's his nickname. So
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, diddy, dirty, yeah, yeah, But Dad Watson
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Speaker 1: he played country music at the dance hall until his
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Speaker 1: death in the late nineteen thirties, so he wasn't thirty too, lad,
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Speaker 1: Poor daddy. He just wanted to play country music.
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Speaker 2: And there's like a bajillion places where people did do
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Speaker 2: that back then, but Jillian places where people do that now.
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Speaker 2: There's lots of venues for all different types of music.
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Speaker 2: Like everybody just needs to take so many seats and
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Speaker 2: chill pills.
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Speaker 1: I know. I think Daddy was just scared of Lola
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Speaker 1: shutting his shit down, so he's like, fine, we'll play country.
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Speaker 1: It's country, okay, Hey, calm down, Lola, nothing to see here. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's all white people. Don't worry about it. Don't worry.
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Speaker 1: The ballroom was abandoned until Ralph Ferrier restored the building,
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Speaker 1: making it come alive again with square dancing and more
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Speaker 1: of that sweet sweet country music. Oh for God's so
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Speaker 1: for a good chunk of time, it was it was
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Speaker 1: just country music, just a lot of cowboy boots and
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Speaker 1: poodle skirts. Yeah, got square dancing. I just if people
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Speaker 1: like it, that's fine. I just I don't. I don't
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Speaker 1: really want any part in that. Is square dancing? Like,
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Speaker 1: is line dancing similar to it? Because that's what I
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Speaker 1: think of when I think of like newer country bars
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Speaker 1: and stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean square dancing is definitely older, I think
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Speaker 2: than line dancing, but yeah, it is kind of similar
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Speaker 2: in that, like it's like these very specific, like kind
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Speaker 2: of a choreographed style of like dancing.
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Speaker 1: And no touch in your partner's body. Well, line dancing,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, not days. Yeah, maybe line dancing, but
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Speaker 1: not not the square dancing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, square dancing is like very like you're moving independent
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Speaker 2: of your partner.
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Speaker 1: More it's for square, yeah, I mean if it's in
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Speaker 1: the name. But then it comes the sixties, you guys,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, people aren't really interested in
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Speaker 1: country music so much anymore. Thanks to the new popular genres,
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Speaker 1: the Crystal Ballroom started to see performers like Tina Turner,
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Speaker 1: James Brown, and Marvin Gay. I could hear it now,
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Speaker 1: hold on, we're having a silent minute. To dance in
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Speaker 1: our heads to the music of the Crystal ball Room
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Speaker 1: in the sixties, continuing to grow towards the psychedelic seventies.
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Speaker 1: Performers would include the Electric Prunes, Blue Cheer, and the
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Speaker 1: Grateful Dead, which we mentioned in the in the Crystal Well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I've never heard of the Electric Prunes or Blue
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Speaker 1: Cheer obviously. You know, I'm not a huge seventies like
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Speaker 1: music less. I mean, there was a lot, a lot,
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Speaker 1: a lot a lot of great.
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Speaker 2: Music from the seventies. I think those are some choices. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: in terms of like that's the sampling of the nineteen seventies,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'm thinking, like, you know, the the Eagles,
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Speaker 2: I feel like at that point, like the Stones were huge.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't come to the Crystal Ballroom.
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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not because they were probably too big for
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Speaker 2: a any like that. Maybe maybe that's all it is.
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Speaker 2: But like Steve Miller band, the Omen Brothers, I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, anyways, we could be here all day.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like, and I definitely just pulled
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Speaker 1: it from the article out the specific when I was
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Speaker 1: reading about this section, and I didn't like, go back
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Speaker 1: and look at the you know in seventies performance history
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Speaker 1: of the Crystal Ballroom. I guess I could have. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we can get into that at another time. Yeah, maybe
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Speaker 1: in the bonus.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me and for science. I feel
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Speaker 2: like maybe maybe we do that late.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Caitlin, we'll look into that for me.
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Speaker 1: But do you remember that growth I talked about. They
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Speaker 1: were growing towards those psychedelic seventies, but that growth would
22:05
Speaker 1: soon be cut short, No, due to worries of psychedelic music.
22:11
Speaker 1: Brain fry. All right, I was gonna say, are they
22:15
Speaker 1: they're growing? Huh? What are they growing? They were? They
22:19
Speaker 1: were growing, they were growing, they were growing with the times.
22:22
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they did what they
22:24
Speaker 1: did to the jazz music and they called it evil Boo.
22:29
Speaker 1: So just the same some more, the same old story,
22:32
Speaker 1: but just a different music genre. After that, the ballroom
22:37
Speaker 1: was pretty much abandoned and people would break in and
22:41
Speaker 1: use it as a questionable hangout spot. Oh you could
22:45
Speaker 1: probably imagine. Yeah, I guess it was also used as
22:49
Speaker 1: an art studio and held private parties at like certain times.
22:54
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds really cool. Yeah, I think so too.
22:58
Speaker 1: Like the private party to have that in like a
23:01
Speaker 1: huge abandoned building, Oh yeah, yeah, or an artsud like
23:05
Speaker 1: totally cool. And I don't know if this was like
23:07
Speaker 1: before or after people were breaking in to do various things.
23:14
Speaker 2: Not the timeline, but yeah, buildings just go through so
23:19
Speaker 2: many life cycles when they've been around this long, and
23:24
Speaker 2: especially like in a bigger I mean, Portland is a
23:27
Speaker 2: small city, like when you look at you know, bigger
23:32
Speaker 2: cities like it, even Seattle, you know. I mean we're
23:35
Speaker 2: no Chicago, We're no New York, that's for sure, but
23:39
Speaker 2: like in cities like that, you know that like the
23:43
Speaker 2: history and all of the Yeah, it's it's wild.
23:47
Speaker 1: To think about. Yeah. Well, speaking of the history, it
23:50
Speaker 1: has been on the National Register of Historic Places since
23:54
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, so I feel like that was kind
23:57
Speaker 1: of the only thing that was keeping it around during
23:59
Speaker 1: the times it was abandoned. Oh I would think so. Yeah,
24:04
Speaker 1: And they like they had several failed restoration attempts to
24:08
Speaker 1: I don't know like who in that time was trying
24:11
Speaker 1: to rebuild it, but they just it nothing was working,
24:15
Speaker 1: nothing was sticking. Yeah, until the mcminnimon's brothers took over
24:20
Speaker 1: the ballroom, they renovated they added a bar, restaurant, brewery,
24:25
Speaker 1: and a new sprung dance floor. They actually literally called
24:33
Speaker 1: it a sprung dance floor, and I was.
24:34
Speaker 2: Like, oh baby, I mean honestly accurate though, Like that's
24:39
Speaker 2: an accurate characterization.
24:41
Speaker 1: It is. And the Crystal Ballroom reopened in nineteen ninety seven.
24:46
Speaker 2: So it's like this like kind of crazy like gap
24:50
Speaker 2: in its history, like in a period of flux.
24:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who knows, you know, like this is a
24:57
Speaker 1: fair normal podcast. What kind of like huh things or
25:01
Speaker 1: left over from that time? What kind of energy? Hey,
25:05
Speaker 1: I've I've talked about venues too. Maybe it's a true crime.
25:12
Speaker 1: It could be, it could be is it episode? Like
25:16
Speaker 1: is it did something happen there? I don't know.
25:19
Speaker 2: I mean, any venue that's been around that long, I
25:23
Speaker 2: feel like something has to have happened.
25:25
Speaker 1: Probably, But for right this second, we're going to get
25:29
Speaker 1: into that dance floor that I keep hinting about, because
25:32
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. It is something. It is something. Yes,
25:37
Speaker 1: it is a floating dance floor, and it is meant
25:41
Speaker 1: to absorb the shock of people's feet as they dance.
25:44
Speaker 1: And from what I read, it sounds like they put
25:47
Speaker 1: like foam on the bottom of like the wood planks
25:50
Speaker 1: to make it so it's like squishy floating. It's very springy,
25:56
Speaker 1: but it reduces the chances of injury during torking. Huh,
26:01
Speaker 1: that's the purpose. Still, I'm gonna say not not my favorite.
26:07
Speaker 1: I don't get down low no, no, because it's too squishy,
26:12
Speaker 1: too squishy, but I feel like you don't feel like
26:15
Speaker 1: you've got like a solid base. Well that was the
26:18
Speaker 1: thought anyway, is that it would kind of like you know,
26:21
Speaker 1: maybe keep you from getting shin splints or something.
26:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were very concerned about the future tour.
26:27
Speaker 1: Yes, floating floors were actually I've heard were pretty popular,
26:33
Speaker 1: but I don't know in the Pacific Northwest how popular
26:35
Speaker 1: they were.
26:36
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't think of anywhere else where like
26:40
Speaker 2: you can go and actually walk around on one anywhere else.
26:45
Speaker 1: Not anymore, because this is that's when the last one's left,
26:49
Speaker 1: like in the world. So yeah, in the world, in
26:52
Speaker 1: the well, in the country, I think in the country.
26:54
Speaker 1: I don't know about the world, but definitely here in
26:56
Speaker 1: the United States, it's like one of the last ones.
26:59
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, and people say it's like dancing on clouds,
27:04
Speaker 1: which is a very Portland thing to say.
27:07
Speaker 2: It's kind of more like dancing on jello with like
27:12
Speaker 2: pantyhose strewn.
27:14
Speaker 1: Oh on it it's I want solid. I don't. To me,
27:20
Speaker 1: I don't.
27:21
Speaker 2: I don't really get I don't get like a I
27:24
Speaker 2: don't get seasick, like if I go on like a
27:27
Speaker 2: boat or like a ferry, I don't have that. I
27:30
Speaker 2: do get carsick still, like it could happen to me
27:33
Speaker 2: today to say, but that's the closest thing that I
27:37
Speaker 2: can think of to like, it feels like how people
27:41
Speaker 2: describe like being seasick.
27:43
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it weirds me out. Yeah. We I
27:47
Speaker 1: remember chatting with Shay about it, and she really enjoyed it,
27:51
Speaker 1: from what I remember her saying. And then we were
27:53
Speaker 1: like ooh, because I'm really sensitive emotion too, and like
27:57
Speaker 1: I can't even like step on a dock or I'll
27:59
Speaker 1: be I go like so sick.
28:01
Speaker 2: It feels like I'm walking through someone's ancient attic.
28:06
Speaker 1: And I feel like when we went to the van
28:09
Speaker 1: Resa Castle and we were up in the attic and
28:11
Speaker 1: it was all floaty feeling.
28:12
Speaker 2: It's like squishy, yeah, and it feels like, oh God,
28:16
Speaker 2: is that like is that a board that like it's is.
28:20
Speaker 1: That a board or quicksand what is that? Yeah, I
28:23
Speaker 1: don't like it.
28:24
Speaker 2: I don't want to feel like that the whole time
28:27
Speaker 2: I'm at a concert. It because I really feel like
28:29
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't tell if I'm about to like
28:32
Speaker 2: my foot's gonna go through.
28:34
Speaker 1: I know it's not.
28:36
Speaker 2: Because it's it like it's it doesn't seem unsafe, but
28:40
Speaker 2: my brain says.
28:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a I feel like it's like a
28:44
Speaker 1: lizard brain reaction to like your body feeling like it's
28:48
Speaker 1: in danger even though your mind is like you, dude,
28:50
Speaker 1: you're fine.
28:51
Speaker 2: Yes, one thousand percent. I just like, no matter how
28:55
Speaker 2: many times I tell myself, it's like it's kind of
28:58
Speaker 2: like like a little tiny trampoline, and.
29:02
Speaker 1: I'm just like, that is the stupidest thing.
29:05
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't even trick my own brain into
29:08
Speaker 2: believing that, but but.
29:10
Speaker 1: I would try it. I want to walk on it
29:12
Speaker 1: and to see what it's like. Cool, it's cool. I
29:15
Speaker 1: can do it in short bouts.
29:18
Speaker 2: I have to go like towards the edges, because there
29:22
Speaker 2: are parts of the venue where you can feel it
29:26
Speaker 2: less and like the outer edges. Like then that gives
29:30
Speaker 2: me like a little breather.
29:32
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah. H When you're like in the middle,
29:35
Speaker 1: it's like, oh and everyone's like moving around you too.
29:37
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Oh we're getting motions like it's just thinking
29:42
Speaker 1: about it. It's like being on a seesaw kind of
29:45
Speaker 1: in a way. It's it's freaky. It's really cool. I
29:49
Speaker 1: love it.
29:49
Speaker 2: It's very exciting because it sounds like it's a kind
29:52
Speaker 2: of a rare thing to be able to experience.
29:55
Speaker 1: Now.
29:55
Speaker 2: I feel like kind of a dick for going on
29:57
Speaker 2: and on about how I'm I kind of like, but
30:01
Speaker 2: you want, you know, we want creepy people to be
30:03
Speaker 2: warned if they're gonna go, Like if you're really sensitive,
30:06
Speaker 2: like just know what you're stepping on to so you
30:09
Speaker 2: don't feel like maybe you don't know what's happening if
30:11
Speaker 2: you didn't read about the place.
30:13
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have signs up telling you
30:14
Speaker 1: it's a floating dance floor or not.
30:16
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think i've ever seen
30:18
Speaker 2: anything about that. I remember the first time that I
30:22
Speaker 2: went to a show there, and I was like when
30:28
Speaker 2: I made when I made my way to the middle,
30:31
Speaker 2: like I had no context for that, and I was like,
30:35
Speaker 2: what is I was. I was genuinely a little bit
30:37
Speaker 2: terrified for a second.
30:40
Speaker 1: We're just here to provide context for your future endeavors, y'all. Yeah,
30:45
Speaker 1: and maybe also process my trauma. Yeah a little bit. Oh,
30:50
Speaker 1: but that's why I was wondering kind of like if
30:52
Speaker 1: the like dance boat idea kind of inspired the dance yeah, honestly. Yeah.
30:59
Speaker 2: Well and it's funny because I'd forgotten even that you
31:02
Speaker 2: said that, but like describing it as like this is
31:06
Speaker 2: how people say it like feels to like be seasick,
31:10
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I don't think I've ever actually
31:12
Speaker 2: been seasick, but this is like that you can imagine
31:17
Speaker 2: like the closest comparison for me.
31:20
Speaker 1: So if you're ever wanting to know what it's like
31:22
Speaker 1: to be seasick and you just can't experience it, go
31:26
Speaker 1: to the floating dance floor at the Crystal Ballroom in Portland, Oregon.
31:31
Speaker 1: I know, not a great not exactly an e that
31:36
Speaker 1: sponsored Well, maybe this will help. The Crystal Ballroom now
31:40
Speaker 1: holds up to eight hundred and fifty people sitting and
31:43
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred standing, which I feel like is kind of
31:47
Speaker 1: like it's not that big of a place. But I
31:49
Speaker 1: guess it kind of is. Yeah, I mean, so I
31:53
Speaker 1: think of it.
31:54
Speaker 2: It's one of several venues in Portland where you're like,
31:58
Speaker 2: that's kind of small, right, like compared to like if
32:01
Speaker 2: you think about like a Modus Center something on that scale.
32:04
Speaker 1: It's Acoma Dome smaller than those, Yeah, but.
32:09
Speaker 2: Like compare it to like the scale of like you know,
32:12
Speaker 2: an average like wedding venue which may host Most of
32:16
Speaker 2: them are like maybe two hundred two fifty max. So
32:20
Speaker 2: it's like it puts it into perspective not like stadium, yeah, but.
32:25
Speaker 1: Like bigger than a wedding venue, an average one. Anyway,
32:29
Speaker 1: Caitlin would know she looked at them all I did
32:33
Speaker 1: quite literally. Yeah.
32:37
Speaker 3: Well, one thing that's really cool for me is my
32:39
Speaker 3: mom is an Oregonian and when she she moved to
32:44
Speaker 3: Portland when she turned eighteen, and she had a little
32:47
Speaker 3: apartment in the Montgomery District and she worked at Montgomery Wards.
32:50
Speaker 3: Oh cute and yeah, and I've been by her apartment
32:56
Speaker 3: building and it's one of those old brick like two
32:58
Speaker 3: story buildings, you know, that's so cute, And my gosh,
33:02
Speaker 3: she told me.
33:03
Speaker 2: Shay, I think our moms lived in the same building
33:06
Speaker 2: in Montgomery District.
33:08
Speaker 3: Dude, well, next time we come out, let's do a
33:11
Speaker 3: field trip. Let's go out there and see if it's
33:12
Speaker 3: the same building. But she we need in the like
33:17
Speaker 3: early sixties.
33:19
Speaker 1: Oh okay, No, they maybe lived in the same building,
33:23
Speaker 1: but maybe not at the same time. Yeah, not at
33:26
Speaker 1: the same time. So uh.
33:28
Speaker 3: But she told me she used to go to the
33:30
Speaker 3: Crystal Ballroom to go dancing all the time because they
33:33
Speaker 3: would have these the concerts were cheap, and they would
33:36
Speaker 3: do dances there all the time. So I've been there
33:39
Speaker 3: to dance for eighties nights, like more times than I
33:42
Speaker 3: can name. I love it so much. Their floating dance
33:45
Speaker 3: floor is amazing. But it's very cool being in there
33:48
Speaker 3: and being like my mom was dancing in the same
33:50
Speaker 3: exact place in the nineteen sixties. Oh, that is cool.
33:54
Speaker 3: She used to take the bus to the Lloyd Center
33:56
Speaker 3: during the time that Jerry Brutos was active, and I
34:00
Speaker 3: I'm always like, Mom, you could have been a victim.
34:04
Speaker 3: You could have never been here. Anyways, that's that's my
34:07
Speaker 3: mom in Portland.
34:08
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I mean, besides the killer part.
34:11
Speaker 3: Yeah right, she didn't get killed, so it's fine.
34:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know, you win some, you lose some, right,
34:18
Speaker 1: she won that one.
34:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say, I'm not a fan of
34:23
Speaker 2: the floating dance floor and oh you know.
34:25
Speaker 1: Like the floating dance floor. Oh, I'd like it.
34:28
Speaker 3: I mean it's not like it's bouncing like always dancing.
34:33
Speaker 3: It feels like a little bit floaty. No, like if
34:36
Speaker 3: you have vertigo, it's risky. Sure, okay, okay, I could
34:40
Speaker 3: see that. Yeah, but I got a blast there. And
34:42
Speaker 3: then it was always because they do the eighties dance
34:45
Speaker 3: attack like they do the eighties video Dance Attack, and
34:48
Speaker 3: they do a nineties night too, and I've been to both,
34:51
Speaker 3: of course multiple times both and then one time so
34:55
Speaker 3: for my fortieth birthday, I was like, I want to
34:58
Speaker 3: go to Portland. I want to go to eighties night.
35:00
Speaker 3: But the only eighties night that was happening that weekend
35:02
Speaker 3: was the Prince Tribute night, so it was in the
35:06
Speaker 3: ballroom itself. So I love the Prince, but there is
35:10
Speaker 3: a limit of how much Prince you can dance to
35:13
Speaker 3: in a single night, because the danceable songs are you know, like.
35:18
Speaker 1: Eighties, not all of them.
35:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not all of them, Like you're not gonna
35:22
Speaker 3: dance the rest of them.
35:23
Speaker 1: You know, you do something else, but I.
35:30
Speaker 3: Won't do karaoke, but she will sing for our podcast.
35:35
Speaker 3: But I was drunk enough that that did not matter.
35:39
Speaker 3: And by the end of the night, my friend had
35:41
Speaker 3: me convinced that we were gonna go get matching Prince tattoos.
35:44
Speaker 3: And then I went to the back to the hotel room.
35:46
Speaker 3: Oh thank god, you didn't get that's good, Thank goodness.
35:50
Speaker 3: Happy fortieth to me, who it was not that long ago.
35:56
Speaker 3: I have so much to look forward to. I'm so excited.
35:59
Speaker 3: I know, Hey, we could all still do this for
36:02
Speaker 3: your fortieth.
36:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will be there. I will. We have an opportunity.
36:06
Speaker 3: I will talk you into a matching Prince tattoo that
36:08
Speaker 3: I will not get. It's the benefit of having older friends.
36:11
Speaker 3: I'm calling you your plan on my fortieth first.
36:14
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're there. The Crystal Ballroom now sees many different
36:21
Speaker 1: genres of performances, probably all of the genres at this point. Like,
36:25
Speaker 1: I don't think they're they're what's that word, they're discriminating
36:29
Speaker 1: at all on genres? Yeah, absolutely no.
36:33
Speaker 2: And honestly, when you look at the different like artists
36:38
Speaker 2: and the different bands that are highlighted. Yeah, the selection
36:42
Speaker 2: for the hotel rooms. So at the Crystal Hotel, it's
36:48
Speaker 2: such a wide selection of like different styles, it.
36:52
Speaker 1: Kind of ruins the gamut, I think. Yeah. Yeah, And
36:55
Speaker 1: as far as I know, no one's trying to shut
36:57
Speaker 1: it down. So everyone knock on your wood, knock on
37:01
Speaker 1: your floating dance floor wood gently, gently, don't want to
37:07
Speaker 1: get sick. Now. So there's a couple of places, like
37:14
Speaker 1: I talked about them having a bar, and yeah, they
37:18
Speaker 1: had a brewery, a couple of so we're going to
37:19
Speaker 1: talk about some of those places. And one of them
37:22
Speaker 1: is Wringler's Pub, which is defined by a purple awning
37:27
Speaker 1: on the ground floor of the Crystal Ballroom building. And
37:31
Speaker 1: does the name Wringler sound familiar to you at all? WHOA,
37:36
Speaker 1: So we just talked about him. It was named after
37:39
Speaker 1: Montrose Wringler, and it might see it kind of is
37:44
Speaker 1: he was the original owner of the building.
37:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really cool. And they do that,
37:49
Speaker 2: I feel like in so many subtle ways too.
37:53
Speaker 1: They do. And we talked about a couple of those
37:57
Speaker 1: things with the Crystal Hotel too. So if Wrangler sound
38:00
Speaker 1: it's kind of familiar to we talked about the Wringler's Annex,
38:03
Speaker 1: which is just like a little like offshoot of the
38:06
Speaker 1: Wrangler's Bar kind of. That's in that Ringlers features classic
38:12
Speaker 1: American fair in a pub where pinball, shuffle board, and
38:15
Speaker 1: pool tables. Beckon, I love me some shuffle board. I
38:20
Speaker 1: have seen people play it. I'm not sure if I've
38:23
Speaker 1: actually played it. I think we kind of talked about
38:26
Speaker 1: this earlier. You're so so appalled that I've never shuffle boarded. Okay, well,
38:34
Speaker 1: so here's the thing. I was very very surprised.
38:37
Speaker 2: But it was the sharp intake in the gas that
38:42
Speaker 2: I listen, I'm not really meant.
38:45
Speaker 1: To be here.
38:46
Speaker 2: I might be an actual ghost because I so frequently
38:50
Speaker 2: am like choking on my own spit. Yeah, it's tripping
38:55
Speaker 2: over my own feet. Honestly, it's it's really a actious.
39:01
Speaker 1: It is like how do I even deal with you? Like,
39:03
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
39:06
Speaker 2: It's like I'm auditioning to be like the best friend
39:11
Speaker 2: in a rom com or something like oh oh oh, so.
39:16
Speaker 1: Am i am the star of the rom com? Where
39:18
Speaker 1: and where is my rom calmness than Caitlin? I don't know? Okay,
39:23
Speaker 1: where's my rom com. Kaitlyn, My life is just a
39:28
Speaker 1: sad calm? Is a sad calm? You're the You're the
39:35
Speaker 1: sidekick in a sad com movie. What is that the
39:41
Speaker 1: sad comedy comedy? Anyway? Oh my god, I don't even know.
39:47
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about shuffle board, And this is interesting
39:50
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I can't remember if I've actually played
39:52
Speaker 1: it or if I've just seen people playing it on TV.
39:55
Speaker 1: And we literally were talking about the earlier about the
39:57
Speaker 1: Renaissance Fair, where I was like, I don't know if
39:59
Speaker 1: I've actually red into a Renaissance Fair or if I've
40:01
Speaker 1: just heard enough people talk about it and like seeing
40:04
Speaker 1: one on TV.
40:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I have been to one, and I specifically
40:09
Speaker 2: went to the one that you were talking about.
40:12
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, do I do a lot of stuff?
40:16
Speaker 1: Because I don't think so. I feel like I never
40:18
Speaker 1: leave my house and it's completely intentional. You do stuff
40:22
Speaker 1: I occasionally, You go to the Renaissance Fair, you play
40:25
Speaker 1: shuffle board, and even to the crystal ballroom. Those are
40:28
Speaker 1: three things I don't think I've ever done. I mean, honestly,
40:32
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I'm miss I'm you don't even seem shocked.
40:36
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, I'm as shocked as you are,
40:39
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm you're not matching my You're you're not
40:43
Speaker 1: matching my freak. Oh speaking of your shirt, though we
40:48
Speaker 1: weren't really talking about your shirt, but I just remembered
40:50
Speaker 1: mad Hustle, and I was like, it kind of reminded
40:52
Speaker 1: me of some of the themes in the episode with Wrangler
40:55
Speaker 1: having the mad hustle he was trying to get out
40:57
Speaker 1: on the boat when he couldn't do his stance for
41:01
Speaker 1: in the hall, and then Lola having the mad hustle
41:04
Speaker 1: about getting everyone shut down. I mean, boo oh, Okay,
41:09
Speaker 1: we have some more stuff to talk about. What was
41:12
Speaker 1: originally the Crystal Ballroom's dance rehearsal studio between the Ballroom
41:17
Speaker 1: and Wringler's Pub is a six barrel brewery established in
41:22
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, which I think is when I said
41:25
Speaker 1: they opened it general, so it opened along with the
41:29
Speaker 1: new mcminnimon's Crystal Ballroom. They craft seasonal and unique beers
41:35
Speaker 1: as well as mcminnimon's favorites, like the usual ruby hammerhead.
41:41
Speaker 1: I think is one of their hammerheads. I'm not totally sure.
41:48
Speaker 2: I think they have branched out into brewing other types
41:52
Speaker 2: of spirits as well.
41:54
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there from what I read they do.
41:59
Speaker 1: As far as I I know, they do some barrel
42:01
Speaker 1: aged beers and the barrels they use come from the
42:04
Speaker 1: Edgefield Distillery. So in case anyone doesn't know, is another
42:08
Speaker 1: mcminimon's popular Mcminimon's property who also does Like they do
42:13
Speaker 1: concerts too, Yeah, the Edgefield.
42:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's arguably probably the biggest of I think
42:24
Speaker 2: the properties. And I mean they have a hotel, They've
42:30
Speaker 2: got kind of like a little spa situations.
42:32
Speaker 1: Is that where we went for the that concert we
42:35
Speaker 1: went to? Who was that? Michigan on Kelly? Was that there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
42:41
Speaker 1: yeah it was.
42:43
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like we've been there together,
42:44
Speaker 2: but I couldn't quite place it.
42:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd never been there before. That was my first time. Yeah,
42:50
Speaker 1: and it rained the entire night. It did. Oh should
42:53
Speaker 1: we insert some of those pictures? I think I still
42:56
Speaker 1: have like video clips from that too. Loved it. I
43:00
Speaker 1: thought it was so fun, it was so pubb we
43:03
Speaker 1: had such a good time. M h. Anyway, where was
43:06
Speaker 1: I going with that? Oh? So, I don't know if
43:07
Speaker 1: they do any distilling there. I didn't see anything on it,
43:10
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really looking for that either, so well,
43:13
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
43:13
Speaker 2: And the only reason why I even like bring it
43:15
Speaker 2: up is because they have their own like kind of signature,
43:19
Speaker 2: like they have the umbrella, Jimmy's rose. They've got like
43:25
Speaker 2: I think it's a white rabbit, like a couple of
43:28
Speaker 2: different I want to say, wine selections they have. They
43:32
Speaker 2: have some other signature ones and so those may not
43:35
Speaker 2: be produced on their properties like where people go and
43:39
Speaker 2: stay per se, but like they they've got, they got
43:43
Speaker 2: their hands on a little bit of everything they do
43:46
Speaker 2: and it's all delicious.
43:48
Speaker 1: So we all know I started abbreviating mcminimum's m MSMs amens.
43:57
Speaker 1: We all know mcminimons loves it's unique in historic art.
44:02
Speaker 1: They seemingly slip it in everywhere they can, little oh crevices, spracks,
44:07
Speaker 1: even really big things overhead and height, yes, everything, And
44:13
Speaker 1: they even included some of this artwork on the brewery
44:17
Speaker 1: tanks in the brewery. Yeah, obviously the brewery takes her
44:21
Speaker 1: in the brewery. Where else would they be, Cassie, I mean,
44:24
Speaker 1: I don't know, but on one of those tanks is
44:27
Speaker 1: a portrait of none other then Lola Baldwin bo So.
44:33
Speaker 1: I wonder like kind of how she feels about having
44:35
Speaker 1: her face on something that is making alcohol all of
44:40
Speaker 1: that Licka. So they did that kind of like as
44:44
Speaker 1: a little payback to Lola for you know, shutting things down.
44:48
Speaker 2: Honestly, that just feels like she's a part of the history,
44:51
Speaker 2: and I feel like, as much as I have bowed her,
44:58
Speaker 2: I can understand. You know, at a certain point in history,
45:03
Speaker 2: there were you know, we talked about it with prohibition
45:05
Speaker 2: crimes where it you know, there was a lot of
45:08
Speaker 2: violence against women, and a lot of it stemmed from
45:12
Speaker 2: like really like raging issues with you know, alcoholism and
45:19
Speaker 2: a lot of untreated addiction and mental health issues. And
45:24
Speaker 2: you know, I think there were a lot of people
45:27
Speaker 2: that were just like, we don't know what else to do,
45:30
Speaker 2: and we don't have a lot of resources to try
45:33
Speaker 2: to fix this. Yeah, so we're just gonna like we're
45:36
Speaker 2: cutting the cord on.
45:39
Speaker 1: The on the booze, shut it it's down, gotta go. Yeah. Yeah,
45:45
Speaker 1: but racism, I don't I'm not going to give you
45:48
Speaker 1: a pass there. Yeah, definitely some passionate people doing what
45:53
Speaker 1: they thought was the right thing to do. So yeah.
45:57
Speaker 1: But speaking of Lola again, she also as a namesake
46:01
Speaker 1: in this place, which Caitlin mentioned earlier. What is it
46:05
Speaker 1: call Lola's Room? Lola's Room, which I don't know much about,
46:09
Speaker 1: but I read it is like a sister venue for
46:13
Speaker 1: DJ events and other smaller shows.
46:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, in like the same building though it's not. Yeah, yeah, no,
46:21
Speaker 2: it's in it is. It's in the same building, so like,
46:24
Speaker 2: I know it exists. I know I've been there. None
46:27
Speaker 2: of the snapshots in my head matchup with it. Really,
46:31
Speaker 2: we'll go there and we'll find it.
46:32
Speaker 1: We're gonna go go say ha to Loola, Loola, Well,
46:38
Speaker 1: are you ready to talk about some ghosty things while
46:40
Speaker 1: we're here, while we're at it? Why not? Oh shit?
46:44
Speaker 1: I kind of thought maybe that wasn't gonna happen this time. Nah,
46:47
Speaker 1: it's happening. Okay, pull up your feet. It's not that bad. Okay.
46:54
Speaker 1: Some local psychics believe that the bricks of the building
46:58
Speaker 1: are holding the energy from all the excitement that has
47:01
Speaker 1: taken place there since the opening. All that dancing, all
47:05
Speaker 1: that live music, all of that shenanigans.
47:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's like mostly probably good energy.
47:14
Speaker 1: But it is a lot of energy, and it could
47:17
Speaker 1: be I mean, we don't know there were things happening
47:20
Speaker 1: to girls back then, so I mean there could be
47:23
Speaker 1: some of that negative energy as well. Sure not saying
47:26
Speaker 1: like that that happened so often it needed to be
47:31
Speaker 1: like shut down or was so unique in that specific
47:34
Speaker 1: space that it needed to be shut down. I think so,
47:36
Speaker 1: I think it probably did happen. It probably wasn't like
47:39
Speaker 1: an unfounded claim or anything. But yeah, so it could
47:44
Speaker 1: be very good, like upbeat, happy energy. It could not be,
47:49
Speaker 1: especially maybe the times where it was abandoned and who
47:52
Speaker 1: knows what was going on.
47:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there could be a lot
47:56
Speaker 2: of intense energy from that period.
48:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all the reservations too, like I'm sure you know. Yeah,
48:07
Speaker 1: so people experience lights flickering in certain rooms, but like
48:12
Speaker 1: not in others. Loud, unexplained noises coming from the ballroom,
48:18
Speaker 1: so like maybe when it's empty or like nothing's going on,
48:21
Speaker 1: they would hear things and then like go to see
48:24
Speaker 1: what's going on in there, and that all the noises
48:27
Speaker 1: just stop.
48:28
Speaker 2: Oh I don't I don't care for that. And because
48:31
Speaker 2: of like the vaulted ceilings, like things would just like
48:34
Speaker 2: echoes like crazy.
48:37
Speaker 1: I'm like picturing all like this noise and then you
48:40
Speaker 1: open the door, but then like it stops, but like
48:42
Speaker 1: you're still hearing like the echoing of what's going on.
48:47
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. That's just like what
48:48
Speaker 1: I'm picturing in my head. Yeah. No, honestly, I could
48:52
Speaker 1: see it. I could see it. Guest report feeling like
48:57
Speaker 1: maybe fingers pulling on their clothes and feeling cold spots
49:02
Speaker 1: in certain areas, which is kind of I don't know,
49:05
Speaker 1: like how if the AC is really good in this
49:08
Speaker 1: old building. I'm not in minimums. It's not really known
49:12
Speaker 1: for its great air conditioning, so no, And I can
49:16
Speaker 1: imagine like if it's full of people, it's not going
49:19
Speaker 1: to be cold. So if you're experiencing a cold spot.
49:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that that feels outside of the realm of explanation,
49:29
Speaker 2: at least from my experience. Yes, it's a hot venue,
49:34
Speaker 2: and the AC, I will say, like, is not it's
49:39
Speaker 2: not working over time and a lot of warm bodies
49:44
Speaker 2: in there, and.
49:44
Speaker 1: Movement, yes, sweaty bowdies.
49:48
Speaker 2: If you are feeling a cold spot, like during a
49:52
Speaker 2: summer concert there, like.
49:56
Speaker 1: I think it's time to go I'll look about your
49:58
Speaker 1: ubers here, like, or maybe you just hang out in it,
50:02
Speaker 1: follow it around, just be in that ghost for the
50:05
Speaker 1: entire time and have your own air conditioning. Yeah, but
50:09
Speaker 1: then the ghost is going to ghost you. Ah, come on, yeah,
50:15
Speaker 1: in my sad calm then even the ghosts ghost me.
50:19
Speaker 2: No, you just have to play hard to get. Ghosts
50:21
Speaker 2: are looking for the amusement. They're looking for something to
50:25
Speaker 2: spice up the afterlife.
50:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. People also report seeing apparitions dressed in nineteen twenties clothing,
50:34
Speaker 1: kind of like moving around, dancing around the ballroom, mingling. Yes, please,
50:41
Speaker 1: I know the twenties, Oh so good, the art deco
50:45
Speaker 1: of it all, the Great Gatsby.
50:48
Speaker 4: Ugh.
50:49
Speaker 1: I mean I know that eras don't necessarily like one
50:52
Speaker 1: hundred percent matchup, but like it's a vibe. That's what
50:55
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. One night,
50:59
Speaker 1: a staff member was cleaning up after the place was
51:02
Speaker 1: closed when they saw a couple doing the jitterbug on
51:07
Speaker 1: the dance floor. But then before he can go over
51:10
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, we're closed, like you gotta go,
51:13
Speaker 1: you gotta go. No jitterbug in on this dance floor tonight.
51:16
Speaker 1: That's enough. Of the jitterbug they disappeared, But that that
51:20
Speaker 1: feels like some of that like good energy. That's maybe, yeah, lingering,
51:24
Speaker 1: it's just some Oh my gosh. Can you imagine if
51:26
Speaker 1: that was like their first dance and they met that
51:30
Speaker 1: night and then we're together forever and ever and their
51:33
Speaker 1: souls were always just doing the jitterbug on the night
51:36
Speaker 1: that sum Oh my god. Oh that's giving me such chills.
51:42
Speaker 1: That's so see.
51:44
Speaker 2: Okay, that ghost experience, even I would be okay.
51:50
Speaker 1: Okay, jitterbug and couples, we can handle that. Yeah, Although,
51:56
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, if I were to see
51:59
Speaker 1: a couple doing the jitterbug, I'm not sure I would
52:03
Speaker 1: know that they were doing the jitterbug. I would probably
52:05
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, like, are they okay? Are
52:08
Speaker 1: are they possessed? Like what? Because isn't the jitterbug like
52:12
Speaker 1: kind of crazy?
52:13
Speaker 2: I'm trying to picture? Okay, Well, I'm gonna look because
52:17
Speaker 2: I know I know what it looks like, but I
52:22
Speaker 2: can't picture it. You're gonna die. This reminds me of
52:27
Speaker 2: doing like swing dance in like.
52:29
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love her hair, I know, Okay, maybe
52:36
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would probably think that they were swing dancing,
52:38
Speaker 1: though I don't know if I wouldn't know specifically it
52:40
Speaker 1: was the jitterbug, but yeah, I would know that they
52:43
Speaker 1: were dancing. Okay. For some reason, I was thinking it
52:46
Speaker 1: was like a little more crazy. Yeah, okay, we have
52:50
Speaker 1: a couple more ghosty things to talk about. I know
52:52
Speaker 1: you're trying to get out of it, but it's not happening.
52:55
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's just because now that we've talked about
52:58
Speaker 2: the jitterbug and possibly having to learn the routine for
53:02
Speaker 2: my recently established wedding party reunion, I just feel like
53:09
Speaker 2: I need some time to work on the choreography.
53:13
Speaker 3: You know.
53:13
Speaker 1: It's okay, So people also hear the sounds of like
53:18
Speaker 1: what sounds like a bunch of people dancing and mingling voices,
53:22
Speaker 1: kind of just like having a party, but the place
53:25
Speaker 1: is empty of guests. Okay, Well, that I don't care
53:29
Speaker 1: for as much, and that's not as cute. I think.
53:32
Speaker 1: It's still it's still cute. It's still reminds me of
53:34
Speaker 1: like good energy, good energy happening.
53:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like good energy, but I still that
53:40
Speaker 2: would freak me out.
53:41
Speaker 1: This one will be your least favorite, okay, right, one
53:48
Speaker 1: night after a performance, a staff member heard a child's laughter,
53:54
Speaker 1: and when he went to figure out where it came from,
53:57
Speaker 1: something tugged on his shirt. No, why the tugging, I know,
54:02
Speaker 1: And I don't know if like the tugging other people
54:04
Speaker 1: are experiencing, is the same entity or not, or if
54:08
Speaker 1: it's different tugging. I'm not really sure, but I kind
54:10
Speaker 1: of feel like it might be just like the same
54:13
Speaker 1: child spirit almost uh. When he turned around when he
54:18
Speaker 1: felt this tugging, and he did see a child, but
54:22
Speaker 1: probably before he could get too confused about why a
54:25
Speaker 1: child would be there. Yeah, that late at night after
54:28
Speaker 1: a performance, it just disappeared. So there's a lot of
54:31
Speaker 1: that happening. Is seeing something only to have it just
54:34
Speaker 1: vanish in front of your eyes. Okay, listen.
54:39
Speaker 2: The only time when a child disappearing was the one
54:45
Speaker 2: scene in like Back to the Future where the pictures
54:50
Speaker 2: they start disappearing from them.
54:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ooh, but.
54:55
Speaker 2: Even that, honestly, No, also that I'm not okay with that.
54:59
Speaker 2: I was deeply trouble.
55:00
Speaker 1: Okay, none of it's okay. No child can disappear ever,
55:05
Speaker 1: no pleason, thank you. No, it's not good. I don't
55:09
Speaker 1: like it. But like unless it's a ghost child, but
55:11
Speaker 1: I feel like you would like that you need or
55:13
Speaker 1: do you need them to be visible?
55:15
Speaker 2: I do need them to be visible because I know
55:18
Speaker 2: they're still, you know, doing little child things.
55:22
Speaker 1: Tugging on your shirt. Oh mapma, Oh my god. That
55:31
Speaker 1: is kind of sad though, Like what if she's just
55:33
Speaker 1: well I don't know if it's a girl child or
55:35
Speaker 1: a boy child, but what if they're just like wandering
55:37
Speaker 1: around kind of like tugging at people to get them
55:39
Speaker 1: to turn so he can like see if it's their
55:42
Speaker 1: parents or not.
55:43
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that's so sad. That makes it so much worer.
55:47
Speaker 1: Sorry, that didn't make it a lot worse. Yeah, Okay,
55:51
Speaker 1: I hope it's just like a little trickster kid who's
55:53
Speaker 1: just who knows what it's doing and it's causing mischief. Yes,
55:57
Speaker 1: I want to.
55:57
Speaker 2: I want to just pretend it's just some fucking punk kid,
56:01
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, just runder around being a little nuisance.
56:06
Speaker 1: Not a sad kid searching for its parents. That's that's.
56:12
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's my thing. Can I send you a
56:16
Speaker 1: picture in here? Yeah, in the chat? Yeah, it's an
56:20
Speaker 1: old picture of the building. Oh and then oh you
56:25
Speaker 1: can see that it says Cotillion Hall on one side
56:28
Speaker 1: and then Wringlers Dancing Academy on the other side, so
56:32
Speaker 1: he was also like a dance instructor. Also downstairs is M.
56:37
Speaker 1: Kraken motor Co. Oh yeah, and that's like kind of
56:43
Speaker 1: I think that's like where the bar is now. I
56:45
Speaker 1: feel like I yeah, which is interesting because like it's
56:49
Speaker 1: like a car theme because the Crystal Hotel also used
56:52
Speaker 1: to be like a car place on the bottom floor,
56:55
Speaker 1: and the Wringler's annex was like a tire place. I
56:58
Speaker 1: feel like that was so common. Yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah, anyway,
57:02
Speaker 1: that was kind of the only picture I had. Yeah,
57:06
Speaker 1: that was the only picture I brought. Since you've been there,
57:09
Speaker 1: you know what it looks like on the inside, I
57:11
Speaker 1: sure do. Well, should we do some taro for the
57:15
Speaker 1: Crystal ball room some Tarrant balls room? Well, do you
57:23
Speaker 1: want to do the cute ghost poll for me? Oh
57:27
Speaker 1: my god, I really like feel like that's the one. Okay,
57:31
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, I'm gonna light my
57:34
Speaker 1: candle over here, open the doorway. Ooh, that was a
57:41
Speaker 1: good shuffle. Okay, I need the vibes. I'm gonna grab
57:45
Speaker 1: my book.
57:46
Speaker 4: So vibes, vibes, crystal ballroom vibes, Wringler, Lola, Daddy Watson.
57:58
Speaker 2: You okay, i'm as spread, I'm asa spread the dick
58:05
Speaker 2: spread it.
58:07
Speaker 1: Where where am I? What am I feeling? Kind of
58:10
Speaker 1: like under your hustle, under the hustle side of your shirt? Wow? Okay,
58:17
Speaker 1: all right? Is that not what you were feeling? No?
58:20
Speaker 1: It is ooh okay. The nine of coins, nine of coins,
58:26
Speaker 1: nine of pentacles. But I drew it in reverse. Oh okay, okay.
58:30
Speaker 1: So our keywords are abundance, material, well being, security, comfort,
58:38
Speaker 1: and success. Some decks, including the Aquarian and the writer
58:44
Speaker 1: Waite Smith Taro, depict a woman with a beautiful bird
58:48
Speaker 1: standing in a vineyard. Oh that is so weird. Just okay.
58:53
Speaker 1: So learning about Lola, her grandchildren showed a picture of
58:58
Speaker 1: her and like her bird.
59:00
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's interesting.
59:05
Speaker 1: And she was like kind of outdoorsy too, that is
59:08
Speaker 1: very cool. Okay. The ripe fruit symbolizes a period of
59:14
Speaker 1: plenty and accomplishment. It's time to harvest your crop or
59:19
Speaker 1: brew your bear. The nine of pentacles reversed may mean
59:25
Speaker 1: you depend on someone else financially interesting, although your situation
59:31
Speaker 1: may be comfortable in the material sense, you feel trapped
59:35
Speaker 1: or bored. Oh that big reminds me of like the
59:39
Speaker 1: Katilion Hall where it was like really profitable. But then
59:42
Speaker 1: he started playing jazz music. So I felt like he
59:45
Speaker 1: was feeling like trapped and bored and like, ah, I'm
59:47
Speaker 1: sick of this fucking cotilions. Yeah.
59:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, like something that you just like don't feel passionate. Yeah, yeah,
59:55
Speaker 2: that's needed some spice in his life. Yeah, he got it,
1:00:01
Speaker 2: boy did he. You'd like to get away, spread your wings,
1:00:06
Speaker 2: but responsibilities hold you back. Perhaps you don't feel satisfied
1:00:10
Speaker 2: with your success or don't feel you deserve it.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting, but he like kept trying and trying,
1:00:19
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Oh this is interesting. Okay.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: In a reading about money, the reverse nine may indicate
1:00:28
Speaker 2: squandering money or losing property. Oh okay, perhaps do it
1:00:33
Speaker 2: with theft, damage or deception?
1:00:38
Speaker 1: Oh maybe deception, because I know I don't even think
1:00:43
Speaker 1: we kind of brush the surface of what Montrose Wrangler
1:00:47
Speaker 1: was doing. I know there was a lot of other
1:00:49
Speaker 1: shady shenanigans going on, so yeah, deception could be a
1:00:54
Speaker 1: huge part of that.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're purchasing or selling property, this card recommends caution.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: He sold it to the countryman. Caution, caution, save us all.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: If the reading is about your job, this card can
1:01:14
Speaker 2: signify boredom or a lack of freedom in your work.
1:01:18
Speaker 2: Perhaps you feel you should have accomplished more or achieved
1:01:21
Speaker 2: a higher position by now. You may long for a
1:01:25
Speaker 2: vacation or retirement, but can't afford to leave your job.
1:01:31
Speaker 1: Well, it got he kind of got a forced yeah,
1:01:34
Speaker 1: forced retirement there. I hope he sold it for enough
1:01:39
Speaker 1: that he could well. I mean, I don't know if
1:01:41
Speaker 1: he was like a good dude truly or not, but
1:01:44
Speaker 1: I hope he sold it for enough where he could
1:01:46
Speaker 1: just go, like live the rest of his life or
1:01:49
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to do. I don't know. Yeah, go
1:01:52
Speaker 1: fly and be free. Wrangler.
1:01:55
Speaker 2: In a reading about love, you may feel stifled or disenchanted.
1:02:00
Speaker 1: In a relationship. The reverse nine can symbolize a partnership
1:02:05
Speaker 1: based on money and or security that lacks excitement or romance.
1:02:10
Speaker 1: It can also suggest lack of independence or equality. One
1:02:15
Speaker 1: person holds the reins. What if that's like the relationship
1:02:20
Speaker 1: between Lola and Montrose. One of them clearly has more power,
1:02:25
Speaker 1: one of them has a badge and one of them
1:02:27
Speaker 1: is going to get their fucking way. Maybe I know
1:02:34
Speaker 1: it's not like a romantic relationship, but definitely there was
1:02:37
Speaker 1: a power struggle. I mean there was there was something
1:02:42
Speaker 1: going on here. Maybe she like hate loved him, you know,
1:02:48
Speaker 1: like secretly loved him, hated him. That's actually kind of
1:02:53
Speaker 1: an interesting thought. But she was like from what the
1:02:57
Speaker 1: grand kids say, her and her husband were like very much,
1:03:01
Speaker 1: you know, in love and together and always doing things together.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: So who knows. I don't know. A woman's heart is
1:03:09
Speaker 1: an ocean of secrets. Uh, bring it back to Titanic.
1:03:15
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it all circles back. It does.
1:03:19
Speaker 1: Can I see the card one more time, just to
1:03:21
Speaker 1: see the colors and things? Oh? Is it like roses
1:03:26
Speaker 1: in the background or is it just like red? No?
1:03:29
Speaker 1: I think that is supposed to be roses, Oh like Portland, Like, yeah, roses,
1:03:37
Speaker 1: look at us. Who. It's funny because I like brought
1:03:42
Speaker 1: up like the rose parade and stuff too. Yeah, ooh,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: you went onto something. I wonder if Lola had roses
1:03:51
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure she was like a gardener, like
1:03:54
Speaker 1: a big gardener. Oh, from what I remember in the video,
1:03:59
Speaker 1: So interesting about the bird too, Like, how random is that? Yeah, yeah,
1:04:06
Speaker 1: that is Yeah, well you'll have to watch the video.
1:04:09
Speaker 1: Maybe not like watch the whole thing, but yeah, because
1:04:12
Speaker 1: it's like an hour long, but it is. I was.
1:04:14
Speaker 1: I watched it. I was like intrigued at what they were.
1:04:17
Speaker 1: I was gonna say an hour, like that's not that long,
1:04:19
Speaker 1: Like I'm curious. Yeah, it's really cool that that mcmenimums
1:04:24
Speaker 1: does those kind of like historical presentation things. I don't
1:04:27
Speaker 1: think I knew that they they have like their own historian.
1:04:31
Speaker 1: That's really cool. That is really cool. Maybe we'll have
1:04:35
Speaker 1: to see if you can find their historian nowadays and
1:04:39
Speaker 1: maybe have them on the show. That would be so cool.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Come on the show. Tell us about minimums histories. Are
1:04:47
Speaker 1: you the mcmenimon's historian? Am I the mcmenimum's historian. I
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Speaker 1: feel like Shay might be the mcminimum's history a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Oh my good. Great, Well that's all I have. That's all, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's all, folks. Oh you know what we do have
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Speaker 1: we do some Patreon shout outs. We've been neglecting. Oh
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Speaker 1: no we do, yeah, we do. Because if you guys
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Speaker 1: didn't know, we are still dropping. We're going to be
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Speaker 1: dropping some like bonuses for Patreon. So maybe some of
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Speaker 1: the weeks that we are having other people fill our
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Speaker 1: spot with their show. If you still want mo of us,
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Speaker 1: maybe join the Patreon.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: So we have some Patreon shout outs to do. We
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Speaker 1: have four from the Creepy People tiers. Oh goodness, one
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Speaker 1: dollar tier. We have Pascal is it Pedro? Is it Pedro? Pascal?
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Speaker 1: We don't know? Hey, I mean i'd like to think so,
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Speaker 1: I you know, we'll just go with it. And then
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Speaker 1: we have Suzanne Susan Jay ten twelve. Hello, I like
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Speaker 1: your name. Are you actually named Jay ten twelve? Did you?
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Speaker 2: I feel like I have questions about that? That's all
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Speaker 2: sing Suzanne. Are we talking summers like I could be?
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Speaker 2: I got a lot of follow up questions about these.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to them on Patreon. We'll figure it out, okay.
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Speaker 2: And then we also have I believe another podcast, Beneath
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Speaker 2: the Rain Shadow b TRS.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, that's so cool. They joined our Patreon. Thank
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Speaker 1: you guys. We'll have to check yours out and see
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Speaker 1: what you have to offer. If you have one, let
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Speaker 1: us know. We also have a new inductee to the
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Speaker 1: Terror biddy Patreon subscriber level.
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Speaker 2: I never know exactly what to say because I feel, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I feel like everybody struggles with the are you a
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Speaker 2: patron a Patreon you're a Patreon subscriber?
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Speaker 1: What are you? What do we call you? You're a
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Speaker 1: tarot biddy. She's a tarot biddy, That's what we call you.
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Speaker 2: Welcome Sam, Hey, Sam, Sam, thanks for joining.
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Speaker 1: Do you do Taro? Let us know, hi, girl Hu.
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Speaker 1: We also have a chat, a group chat, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what to call it, a chat on Patreon, and
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Speaker 1: I like will add just random photos of like what
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Speaker 1: we're doing. Like the other day, I sent a photo
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Speaker 1: of the backstage of our crazy setup or travels set
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Speaker 1: up that was like on boxes, Like, so if you
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Speaker 1: I don't know, if you do, Taro, if you pull
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Speaker 1: a card for the day, if you want to like
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Speaker 1: share it in there whatever, Oh we'd like to see cool. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I I think you even told me at the time.
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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna send this
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Speaker 2: to the Patreon and I was like, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what you mean, and then I forgot about it. But
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Speaker 2: now I remember you were saying I sent them. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna send them. It's behind the scenes because it's so.
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Speaker 1: Professed, so professional. You guys get to see all of
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Speaker 1: the bts, shenanigans, the BTSs. Oh that's fun. We have
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Speaker 1: fun here. We have so much fun here. Well, that's
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Speaker 1: the end of our phone for the day. That's it.
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Speaker 4: True.
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Speaker 1: Do thing that we have. Let's do it thing. Have
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Speaker 1: a creepy as day. See you next Tuesday. Well someone will,
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Speaker 1: I mean maybe some will be there. I'm gonna stop it.
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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't wait to b say do we
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Speaker 1: need to? Oh? Yeah we did. We did. Never mind
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Speaker 1: forget me? You want me to forget you? Okay, forgive
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Speaker 1: me too, machine Gun Kelly law Connects. Do you want
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Speaker 1: to know where I went for dinner last night? My moments? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: But do you want to know which one? The one
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Speaker 1: that stotted it all? Is a Barley Corns? Yeah it is.
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Speaker 1: You cheated on me at our spot. You didn't take
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Speaker 1: me to Barlecorns. What did you get? A Portland dip? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I did? I hate you? Okay, every freaking mcmenimums I've
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Speaker 1: been to in the past like two years, I swear
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Speaker 1: does not have the Portland Dip and I haven't had
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Speaker 1: one in a long time, and I'm dying. Well, I
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Speaker 1: mean for Portland. Somebody could have come out here to
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Speaker 1: record in person. Do you have some left? I ate
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Speaker 1: it for a long Oh. Well, that doesn't help