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Right Complexion for the Protection · TMI

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Speaker 1: That's how we owned it. What's up? Family is your
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Speaker 1: girl to make a d. Mallory and it's your boy
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Speaker 1: my son in general, and we are your host of
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Speaker 1: street politicians the place. What's up? A lot happening? Yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: it's been a tough week. Man, it's one. It's one
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Speaker 1: of the weeks that your body start hurting, your mind
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Speaker 1: start hurting, your heart hurt. It's a lot going on. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The travel too has been brutal. We've been zig zagging
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Speaker 1: across the country, going and spending a little time with
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Speaker 1: the team down in Brunswick, Georgia. We went down and
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Speaker 1: hugged up and loved up on Wanda Cooper Ahmad Arby's
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Speaker 1: mother and also spent some time with our legal friends
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Speaker 1: Lee married Benjamin Crump and the whole team there, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, and really to support the family. Also got
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Speaker 1: to see our sister Tesla and figure oh um, you
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Speaker 1: know until freedom doing what we do and uh, that
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Speaker 1: was one part of our journey, um, and we have
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Speaker 1: continued over the last I guess you know, several days,
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Speaker 1: last several weeks, I think I was talking to our
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Speaker 1: guests that are coming up today's special guests about how
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Speaker 1: many flights we as until Freedom have been on in
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Speaker 1: the last week, and we were somewhere at like twelve
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Speaker 1: flights the last few weeks. Excuse me, um, twelve flights
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Speaker 1: with connections and whatever else. It's it's definitely mentally, physically
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Speaker 1: and emotionally taxing. Yeah, it really is. Man. Just you know,
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Speaker 1: for me, this written house Um verdict, even though it
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Speaker 1: was the shock and it's still it's still demoralized, and
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Speaker 1: it just takes a lot of win out of yourselves
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Speaker 1: when we can look at, you know, the same situations
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Speaker 1: go over and over and people justified since its murder
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Speaker 1: and things of that nature, especially when it comes to
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Speaker 1: either us or situations that regard us. You know, it
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Speaker 1: just gives me. When I was watching and then today
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Speaker 1: i'm you know, we're still waiting on the verdict for
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Speaker 1: the mare Albury trial, and then they did please don't
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Speaker 1: say that the trial for the murderers of ama Arebury,
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Speaker 1: and very requested to see that video again and every time,
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Speaker 1: I don't care how many times I see it, it's
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Speaker 1: still just it just terrorizes me. It just destroys my
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Speaker 1: whole soul. And then it gets back to the situation
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Speaker 1: with you know, treyvon Martin. It's the same exactly when
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Speaker 1: you really think about it's the same exact thing that
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Speaker 1: you know. These people think they have the privilege, you know,
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Speaker 1: to walk up through these guns and demand that you
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Speaker 1: stand somewhere and demand that you do what they tell you.
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Speaker 1: And when you fight for your life, you have to
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Speaker 1: even you have to fight to be able to fight
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Speaker 1: for your life, you have to give. You have to
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Speaker 1: give reasoning to why people can't just containe and and
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Speaker 1: and shoot you without without you doing anything wrong man,
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Speaker 1: as a black man in America. So you know that
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Speaker 1: was alone was a lot. And then like you said,
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Speaker 1: the traveling the way and tell my body and but
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Speaker 1: it is what it is, man, This is the life
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Speaker 1: that shows us. This is what you know, God put
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Speaker 1: us here to do. Man. So as much as it
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Speaker 1: gets us weary, man, that's what we gotta do. So
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Speaker 1: that's what we have to do. It's what we've called
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Speaker 1: to do. And um I am glad to be doing
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Speaker 1: it with two people that are going to join us today.
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Speaker 1: I posted yesterday you and and and my brother Angelo
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Speaker 1: Pintil who's coming up. Y'all gotten on my nerves so
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Speaker 1: bad with all our conversations, because you know, we talked deep, um,
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Speaker 1: and I was thinking about how much y'all annoyed me,
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Speaker 1: and then yet how I couldn't do what I do
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Speaker 1: without you all. Um. You know how these these these
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Speaker 1: road trips and um, the time that we're out away
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Speaker 1: from our families, away from the comfort of our homes, UM,
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Speaker 1: the stress of dealing with the naysayers, and also all
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Speaker 1: of the traumatized people in our communities that need us,
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Speaker 1: um or or that don't think they need us, and
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Speaker 1: just all that we have to deal with. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how I could sustain myself and keep doing this
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Speaker 1: work without having the type of crew and family that
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Speaker 1: I have. And so having our brother and sister, Attorney
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Speaker 1: Angelo Pinto, and also lend us our sure of my
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Speaker 1: partner and everything UH to be on with us today
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Speaker 1: for this special Today, we're gonna just talk straight through
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Speaker 1: about some of these these these cases. We've been talking
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Speaker 1: so much about it in the car while we were
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Speaker 1: down at the the the thankful thankfully it was not
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Speaker 1: the execution of Julius Jones, but it could have been.
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Speaker 1: And we were on the road driving back and forth
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Speaker 1: from taking flights Tulsa Oklahoma. That was just last week.
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Speaker 1: You would think that this these things are happening like
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Speaker 1: farms spread apart, but in fact they're happening right behind
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Speaker 1: one another. And that was just again last week that
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Speaker 1: we were on the road, and the conversations that we
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Speaker 1: have are so deep, we said we got to bring
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Speaker 1: them to the street, politicians, family and really have the
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Speaker 1: transparent moment of talking about where we are and what
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Speaker 1: we think as leaders, as organizers, um as we we
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Speaker 1: navigate through these these cold waters, because it's certainly there,
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Speaker 1: certainly are are cold. But before we bring them on,
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Speaker 1: I was gonna give you my thought of the day
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Speaker 1: today because I was really thinking, Bill, when I get
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Speaker 1: a change throughout these flights, I sit and I scrolled
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Speaker 1: through Instagram, and I'm trying to figure out why people
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Speaker 1: are running in stories, stealing these folks stuff, steal in
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Speaker 1: the Nordstrom's. I think I just see here in New
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Speaker 1: York City last night they ran into I believe it
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Speaker 1: may have been like the Louis Vuitton sto or something
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Speaker 1: like that. So I guess the dash and grab is
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Speaker 1: what they call it. Yeah, that's that's one of the
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Speaker 1: terms of it. In the hood, Dash and grab yeah,
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Speaker 1: but grabbing dash yeah, that would that would that would
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Speaker 1: be the correct um order of it. They're grabbing in though,
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Speaker 1: they're grabbing the dashing all over the country, robbing the
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Speaker 1: north drums and even market stories. But just the thought
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Speaker 1: I had, first of all, I think that's just ridiculous,
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Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. And you know there'll be some say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but in a capitalist society, people gonna take their reparations
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Speaker 1: and da dada. You know, people ain't got no jobs
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Speaker 1: and whatever. That's you know, I still think it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: And last night the situation got serious because the video
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Speaker 1: that I saw the police, and I believe again it
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Speaker 1: was in New York. The police ran up to people
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Speaker 1: who were trying to get away in a car in traffic,
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Speaker 1: so the car wasn't moving, you idiot, and the police
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Speaker 1: ran up and bust the windows out. The person got
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Speaker 1: dragged out. There was three police officers with batons banging
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Speaker 1: the windows, glass everywhere, Like the situation is dangerous. But
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Speaker 1: what I what really confuses me is the group that
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Speaker 1: I laughed think was in North Carolina. It was like
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Speaker 1: a hundred of them. Why do people do crimes together
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Speaker 1: and think that no one is going to tell who
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Speaker 1: was involved with the incident. It doesn't make sense to me, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't make sense at all. It's a very
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Speaker 1: primitive and and and and future out um feeble minded
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Speaker 1: of act. Because if you from you know, anything about crime,
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Speaker 1: there's always somebody telling. The more people that you do
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Speaker 1: a crime with, the more opportunities and the more people
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Speaker 1: are gonna tell on you. So I think desperation, I
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Speaker 1: think ignorance to certain things. I think some people just
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Speaker 1: want to be involved. There's a lot of those people
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Speaker 1: probably like, oh that's what they do it. Let me
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Speaker 1: just get in the giftshop, you know, and it's it's
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Speaker 1: it becomes this this mob mentality, and it's it's really
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Speaker 1: not smart at all, what you know, Like you said,
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Speaker 1: some people are going to say in the capital society,
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Speaker 1: this is what people are forced to do. Within the holidays.
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Speaker 1: People have been you know, have been taught to glorify
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Speaker 1: these presidents and gifts and things that needed to have,
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Speaker 1: you know, that they feel like they need to have,
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Speaker 1: and it's just it's really messed up. Really Well, let's
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Speaker 1: bring our guests on because I want to hear from
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Speaker 1: Attorney Angelo Pento, how many years can you get when
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Speaker 1: you are grabbing and dashing? Because I believe it's got
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Speaker 1: to be some real time associated with it. And maybe
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Speaker 1: these young people particularly that are doing this and these mobs,
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Speaker 1: I think that it's something fun or like you said,
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Speaker 1: just something to get involved with. But I don't think
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Speaker 1: that this is smart because I think it's gonna put
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Speaker 1: some time on their lives and put them in a situation. So, Attorney,
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Speaker 1: Angelo Pentel, my brother, our brother, our friends and lindas
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Speaker 1: our so are you with us? Yeah, we're here. How
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Speaker 1: y'all doing today? Not bad? Feeling good? Feeling great? Indeed, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the rest. Good for y'all, man, because I'm getting
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Speaker 1: some as soon as they get over this thing. Got
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Speaker 1: to sleep. So what So I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: were listening to us, um, Angelo, I will, resident Attorney.
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Speaker 1: We're just trying to figure out what the grabbing dash,
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Speaker 1: what kind of charges are associated with that good old
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Speaker 1: grabbing dash. I mean, I think that in that scenario,
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Speaker 1: it's really gonna be contingent on what they get charged with,
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Speaker 1: and they'll probably depend and then it depends on right
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Speaker 1: the cost of the items they're stealing. Um, but it
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Speaker 1: will probably be grand larceny because they're in high end
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Speaker 1: retail stores. Um, they can likely get a conspiracy charge
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Speaker 1: because they're acting in concert with so many folks. But
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Speaker 1: it appears also that because this is kind of a
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Speaker 1: newer phenomenon, or at least one that is getting a
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Speaker 1: lot of attention in this moment because it's happening around
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Speaker 1: the country, that they may try to throw another charge
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Speaker 1: at them simply to kind of send a message that
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Speaker 1: we're not going to tolerate this. So, you know, it
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Speaker 1: really varies, and I haven't really seen how states are
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Speaker 1: handling these scenarios because oftentimes, also when folks are stealing
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Speaker 1: at the mall, you're usually not thinking you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: a very serious charge. But I think the circumstances are
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Speaker 1: little different. They're high end stores. They're actually kind of
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Speaker 1: pretty big grabs when you think about how many people
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Speaker 1: are acting in concert together, um, and it's something that's
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Speaker 1: been happening a lot more frequently. So you know, I
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Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to wait and see a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But I think as a start, you're probably gonna see
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Speaker 1: some grand larceny charges. You're probably gonna see some conspiracy
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Speaker 1: charges with folks acting in concert. Um. And I think
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Speaker 1: in that case that you mentioned earlier that happened in
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Speaker 1: New York where now you're having this very serious interaction
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Speaker 1: with law enforcement, you might see resisting arrest charges. So
11:34
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna do everything they can to throw everything
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Speaker 1: they can at them and trump up charges so that
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Speaker 1: something sticks, so they send a message that just this
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Speaker 1: can't happen, it can't be tolerated. So it will be
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Speaker 1: interesting to see how it plays out in straits across
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Speaker 1: the country. Mm hmm. Yeah. I think I think that, Um,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna want to send a message. You know, they're
11:54
Speaker 1: gonna want to make some people examples, so the which
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Speaker 1: you would normally probably get for the same thing and
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Speaker 1: probably be hyped up a lot more. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: so too. But you know, just like I said, I
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Speaker 1: worry about it because feels like yet another thing that
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Speaker 1: will put you know, criminal records on black folks, particularly
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Speaker 1: black men, in our communities, and even before they really
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Speaker 1: get started in life, um, which we're already trying to
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Speaker 1: fight against, so they can get some Gucci Pucci and
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Speaker 1: Pucci Like, I just don't, you know, I don't, I
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Speaker 1: don't and I guess you know, how can we we
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Speaker 1: we UM all of us are I guess guilty if
12:38
Speaker 1: you will, I don't know if you call it guilty,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say guilty. But all of us participate in UM,
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Speaker 1: you know, wearing nice things and having labels. So perhaps
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Speaker 1: that is what some will use as an excuse for
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Speaker 1: this behavior. But I think that we all, you know,
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Speaker 1: you gotta go through the route of working hard and
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Speaker 1: doing what you have to do to be able to
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Speaker 1: get it. And you know, it's crazy that some people
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Speaker 1: don't think that that's the that that is you know,
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Speaker 1: the answer. And you know, we were just talking a
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Speaker 1: little bit mind yesterday about this idea that people want
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Speaker 1: to have do and be and don't want to work
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Speaker 1: to get to whatever it is that they're trying to
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Speaker 1: get in society. And so you know, I know that
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Speaker 1: there are folks who probably want us to say well
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Speaker 1: and to you know, make excuses for the behavior, but
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Speaker 1: it really feels like this is going to turn out
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Speaker 1: as something else where our communities will be criminalized and
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Speaker 1: where uh that conspiracy charges so dangerous is that there'll
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Speaker 1: be young people who will just have been there, just
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Speaker 1: went downtown. Maybe you got on the train that day
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Speaker 1: with them. You didn't necessarily go in the store, but
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Speaker 1: guess what the charges that will apply across the board.
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Speaker 1: That's how it works, right, if you're acting in concert
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Speaker 1: with folks. Yeah, most certainly. I mean it's not clear
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Speaker 1: that that's how they'll are them, but it seems like
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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do something that they traditionally don't do,
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Speaker 1: and that you know, in these scenarios, folks are acting
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Speaker 1: in concerts, so it would makes sense that that's something
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Speaker 1: that they also throw at them. Well, listen, speaking of
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Speaker 1: acting in concerts, let's talk about these cases in these situations.
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Speaker 1: You know, here we are today sitting um waiting for
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Speaker 1: the verdict to come in from a jury that is
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Speaker 1: deliberating in the Ahmad Arebrey um the matter of the
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Speaker 1: murder of Ahmad Aubrey. And you know there are three
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Speaker 1: individuals who they acted in concert. Let me get my
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Speaker 1: legal stuff. That's what they did, right, I would say. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're making a case, as we
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Speaker 1: saw when we were at the trial, was that two
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Speaker 1: days ago or yesterday, that they're going to try to
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Speaker 1: make the case that in fact, that's not what took place.
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Speaker 1: And that these individuals were all acting separately, um and
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Speaker 1: their action should not be kind of connected together. So
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Speaker 1: I think they're saying that that, in fact did not happen.
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Speaker 1: And I think what you see happening on the other
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Speaker 1: end is them saying that, in fact, this was these
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Speaker 1: folks acting in concert, you know, really to meet or
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Speaker 1: to see the demise of brother Arbury. Mm hmm. It
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Speaker 1: definitely they definitely acted in concert. Man, They were in unison.
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Speaker 1: The people drove their trucks, you know, and they flushed
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Speaker 1: him out, and they cornered him, you know, and falsely
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Speaker 1: imprisoned him, as you know they have been charged with.
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Speaker 1: And it's just for me, you know, I just don't.
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Speaker 1: I just America is just a very weird place to me, man,
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Speaker 1: When when you can have people justify things of that nature,
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Speaker 1: it's just very weird. Mm hmm. I mean I was
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Speaker 1: gonna ask Linda, you know what, what what is going
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Speaker 1: through your mind? Is just sitting here waiting on this
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Speaker 1: verdict today, do you feel hope for you kind of
16:00
Speaker 1: feel like because yesterday you were like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: so today, just because of the videos that have been
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Speaker 1: requested by the jury, do you feel more hopeful. I
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Speaker 1: don't know the system. I feel like we've learned not
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Speaker 1: to put too much hope in the system. Originally, I
16:15
Speaker 1: felt like it was pretty clear to me and to
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Speaker 1: anyone with the conscious that really, anyone with eyes, um
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Speaker 1: and ears that was listening to the evidence, that the
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Speaker 1: the killers of a mod areby are guilty. But then
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Speaker 1: I watched how the defense try to take the jurors
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Speaker 1: off course and try to confuse them, and I think
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Speaker 1: she Um might have done some damage in that regard.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I'm feeling like, if it was
16:44
Speaker 1: clear that they were guilty, they were already deliberating for hours, um,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm hoping that um, you know, got intervenes
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Speaker 1: into justice to serve it. I feel I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: how I feel. I'm confused. I'm not sure if I
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Speaker 1: feel hopeful or I'm not sure if I feel like
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Speaker 1: they're gonna come back with some thing that's um not
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Speaker 1: going to be acceptable. What would be the justification? Though,
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Speaker 1: Angelo like, I don't get it. I don't think who
17:11
Speaker 1: how do people make the case of self defense when
17:15
Speaker 1: Day started the situation? Yeah, I mean, I think you
17:19
Speaker 1: know the sad part about this and I don't think
17:23
Speaker 1: you can really divorce these two things from this conversation
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Speaker 1: is that, of course there's the law, and people always
17:29
Speaker 1: say and I think, you know, I heard it when
17:31
Speaker 1: we were listening to closing statements the other day, UM,
17:35
Speaker 1: one of the defense attorneys mentioned that he's really just
17:37
Speaker 1: trying to apply the law to the circumstances. And for me,
17:42
Speaker 1: I think that's never what happens, right. There's always bias,
17:45
Speaker 1: there's always a variety of factors at play. When the
17:49
Speaker 1: jury is hearing a trial, or when anyone is really
17:52
Speaker 1: listening to a trial, it's hard to truly divorce your
17:55
Speaker 1: internal biases from that proceeding. And I think one of
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Speaker 1: the most clear are in present internal bias that exists
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Speaker 1: in America is around race, um, and it's around racism,
18:06
Speaker 1: and it's around people who they consider criminals, who are
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Speaker 1: traditionally black and brown folks. So I think what you
18:12
Speaker 1: see happening in this case the other pieza to that,
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Speaker 1: and I think you see what you have in this
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Speaker 1: case is the flip side where white folks are given
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Speaker 1: the extreme beyond the benefit of the doubt. Um, they
18:22
Speaker 1: get to get all jail free card, they get judicial
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Speaker 1: kind of coddling, They get a number, they get money
18:28
Speaker 1: for their case to fight a case where they were
18:30
Speaker 1: wrong that everyone witnessed and got to see on tape.
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Speaker 1: So I think what you're seeing also is the way
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Speaker 1: in which the judicial system works with white folks and
18:38
Speaker 1: the way in which the judicial system works with black folks.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a big piece of what's playing
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Speaker 1: out in this case. So things that you would traditionally
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Speaker 1: look at and say, hold on, wait, this person is guilty.
18:48
Speaker 1: This is should be an open and shed case now
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Speaker 1: because a person is white. Now, because of the ways
18:54
Speaker 1: in which the attorneys work on the case, there's a
18:56
Speaker 1: lot more latitude that's saying, well, in fact, maybe that's
18:59
Speaker 1: not what happen. And they're throwing in all these potential
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Speaker 1: factors and circumstances that would make someone potentially consider that
19:07
Speaker 1: a murderer is not in factor murder. And I think
19:09
Speaker 1: that's what you're seeing play out, and in this case,
19:12
Speaker 1: I think that's what you saw a play out in
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Speaker 1: the written house case. But it's not what you ever
19:16
Speaker 1: see play out when black folks find themselves in similar
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Speaker 1: circumstances and it's similar. I mean, the reason why I
19:23
Speaker 1: always tell people, you know, we can't put our hopes
19:25
Speaker 1: up too high. Is that you know, Trayvon Martin was unarmed, Um,
19:29
Speaker 1: he was walking around the neighborhood that he had every
19:32
Speaker 1: right to walk around in and just for being black, um,
19:36
Speaker 1: and and and deemed suspicious by a vigilante, he was murdered.
19:40
Speaker 1: And George Zimmerman, who murdered Trayvon Martin, got off. And
19:44
Speaker 1: so I think it's important that with all that's happening
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Speaker 1: around us, Written House with the marred are very um
19:53
Speaker 1: case of the murderers, UM, the McDaniels, and all the McMichael's,
19:58
Speaker 1: excuse me, and just everything else, Tenasia Chapelle and the
20:02
Speaker 1: many cases Savior Hill. There's so many ongoing cases that
20:06
Speaker 1: still have not gotten justice that it's important for us
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Speaker 1: form a mental health perspective to not set our hopes
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Speaker 1: up to high because this country disappoints us over and
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Speaker 1: over and over again. And some an attorney, a conservative attorney,
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Speaker 1: was um chatting with me on Facebook and he said
20:22
Speaker 1: to me, he said, listen, He said, you may be
20:24
Speaker 1: mad about the Written House case, but he goes to
20:26
Speaker 1: the bottom line, if you want to be mad, you
20:28
Speaker 1: gotta be mad at the law is not the not
20:30
Speaker 1: the verdict that came out. So it also is that
20:32
Speaker 1: we have, as Angels said, we just got faulty laws
20:35
Speaker 1: and the laws that are not applied across the board
20:37
Speaker 1: equally um and not everybody could use the same defenses.
20:41
Speaker 1: So so written House can say self defense and you
20:44
Speaker 1: know my understanding of self defenses that you know, if
20:47
Speaker 1: I'm if if there's a situation happening in my neighborhood
20:52
Speaker 1: and you come outside, Karen again in front of my house,
20:54
Speaker 1: and then you shoot people in front of my house.
20:57
Speaker 1: But I didn't ask you to defend my house. I
20:59
Speaker 1: didn't ask you to fend my property. I don't know
21:01
Speaker 1: how you could clean that you're protecting a property in
21:05
Speaker 1: the place that you're not from. And then what's interesting
21:07
Speaker 1: also about the Written House case was, and I don't
21:09
Speaker 1: know how they argued this, but the bottom line is,
21:11
Speaker 1: you're a minor. You shouldn't even be carrying a gun anyhow.
21:16
Speaker 1: Forget about the fact about how you got the gun.
21:18
Speaker 1: No one was held accountable for that part. But you're
21:20
Speaker 1: a minor. You shouldn't even be carrying a semi automatic rifle.
21:23
Speaker 1: And I don't know how that went under the radar.
21:25
Speaker 1: But again, faulty laws, bias in the courtroom. UM. And
21:29
Speaker 1: you know, as as a lot of our people say,
21:31
Speaker 1: you know they're guilty before they get to the courtroom,
21:34
Speaker 1: and that's if they make it to the courtroom under
21:36
Speaker 1: these similar circumstances. I don't I don't know if I
21:39
Speaker 1: think that it's the law though. That's where I always
21:41
Speaker 1: have a challenge because I'm like, I don't think if
21:44
Speaker 1: you change the laws, because folks have been working on
21:47
Speaker 1: that for a long time too, that changes the circumstances
21:51
Speaker 1: with respect to how white folks will be viewed in
21:53
Speaker 1: the criminal justice is and the kind of bias in
21:56
Speaker 1: favor of them, the kind of privilege and favor of them.
21:59
Speaker 1: I think change the law doesn't change that. I know
22:02
Speaker 1: people make that argument all the time. You know it's
22:04
Speaker 1: the law, but it's like, sure it is, um, But
22:07
Speaker 1: if someone is going to decide to bend and maneuver
22:11
Speaker 1: the law in a way to Taylor kind of outcomes
22:14
Speaker 1: for a particular group of individuals, no matter how you
22:17
Speaker 1: change that, you're gonna see that. UM. And I think
22:20
Speaker 1: the dread Scott decision that said that no black person
22:25
Speaker 1: has any rights that a white person has to honor right.
22:29
Speaker 1: So that is the undercurrent that is I've never even
22:35
Speaker 1: I've never even heard that before say that again, um
22:38
Speaker 1: basically that no, no black person has a right any
22:42
Speaker 1: rights that a white person has to honor. Actually that
22:45
Speaker 1: was in a dread Scott decision. And so that's what
22:48
Speaker 1: you really see playing out here, that the fact that
22:51
Speaker 1: under normal circumstances, this individual would go to jail for
22:55
Speaker 1: his actions, but four that it was done to a
22:57
Speaker 1: black person and they happen to be white. So I
23:00
Speaker 1: don't know if changing the laws changes that American sentiment
23:04
Speaker 1: that has been around for a very long time exactly.
23:07
Speaker 1: And when you look at these situations and you know
23:10
Speaker 1: that it's not the law, because you won't ever see
23:13
Speaker 1: those laws benefit the black person. You know, you'll see
23:17
Speaker 1: a black person take their guns to a place where
23:21
Speaker 1: they're not from and be able to say that they
23:24
Speaker 1: were protecting someone or they were self defense when they
23:28
Speaker 1: went and initiated any level of you know, um, interaction
23:32
Speaker 1: with someone that that's you. I've never heard of such
23:35
Speaker 1: a thing. I know, people like myself, which I posted,
23:38
Speaker 1: you know, I was found guilty of a robbery with
23:42
Speaker 1: the gun that they never found, with items they never
23:45
Speaker 1: found just on the word or somebody. And I was
23:47
Speaker 1: never even at the scene of the crime, but I
23:49
Speaker 1: was sentenced to two to four years for a gun
23:52
Speaker 1: that never even was showed up, that never they've never
23:55
Speaker 1: seen that. They it's a mystery gun. But yet still
23:58
Speaker 1: we watch ridden house rittenhouse go to a place with
24:03
Speaker 1: the gun that he shouldn't have been that saying that
24:05
Speaker 1: he's protected property that wasn't his then nobody asked them to,
24:09
Speaker 1: and then say that all these people who didn't have guns,
24:12
Speaker 1: who didn't they initiated violence against him and he was
24:16
Speaker 1: protected in this life. In that mind state comes from
24:20
Speaker 1: a white supremacist mind state. It it comes from of
24:23
Speaker 1: the mentality that white people can do what they want
24:27
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't be questioned. And you know, the interesting
24:30
Speaker 1: thing that we heard at the trial, which was it
24:33
Speaker 1: was shocking, but it also wasn't surprising, which is what
24:35
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these cases are. Is a
24:38
Speaker 1: white woman saying that he should have just been captured, right,
24:42
Speaker 1: A man should have just allowed them to capture him.
24:44
Speaker 1: And that sentiment speaks to this, A man should have
24:47
Speaker 1: allowed three white men who don't have badgers who are
24:51
Speaker 1: in their own cars to essentially stop him in the
24:55
Speaker 1: middle of the street, guns drawn, and he should have
24:57
Speaker 1: just put his hands up and laid down on the
24:59
Speaker 1: floor for random white folks. Um And for me, I
25:02
Speaker 1: was saying to someone what this seems like to me
25:04
Speaker 1: is that every white person in America is essentially deputized
25:08
Speaker 1: as law enforcement against every black person in America. And
25:12
Speaker 1: I think you saw that in the George immiment. Try.
25:13
Speaker 1: I think that's what you actually see happening. White folks
25:16
Speaker 1: can engage black folks in any way they want. They
25:19
Speaker 1: can be judge, jury, and executioner, and they can determine
25:22
Speaker 1: if the law is broken or not without law enforcement,
25:26
Speaker 1: without a prosecutor, and without a judge standing in their
25:30
Speaker 1: place or making that decision. They could do it themselves
25:33
Speaker 1: and then have the law as it exists. That you
25:34
Speaker 1: were right. That's that's deep. I wanna I want to
25:38
Speaker 1: go right back to something real quickly. Did come back
25:41
Speaker 1: into that, Angel, because I think that's a powerful point.
25:44
Speaker 1: But the and and you Angelo, do you got would
25:47
Speaker 1: you all consider because you know I'm learning and treat
25:50
Speaker 1: politicians is about we learn and we teach. Do you
25:53
Speaker 1: consider Kyle Rittenhouse to be an insurrectionist, is that a
25:57
Speaker 1: part of the insurrection mentality? Absolutely. I mean you watched
26:01
Speaker 1: Kyle and videos at bars um talking to people who
26:05
Speaker 1: could be seen as affiliated with some of these groups
26:08
Speaker 1: that showed up on January six. I mean, the the
26:13
Speaker 1: audacity that they have that they can just walk around
26:16
Speaker 1: on why people are engaging in First Amendment right um activities,
26:20
Speaker 1: uh and and just carry a semi automatic weapon across
26:23
Speaker 1: state lines. Um. This is what the insurrectionists mindset is.
26:27
Speaker 1: They thought they believed they could stroll up into Washington,
26:30
Speaker 1: d C. Go inside the capitol, break the windows, you know,
26:34
Speaker 1: harassed police officers, steal documents from members of Congress's office.
26:38
Speaker 1: And they really believed in their hearts that they were
26:40
Speaker 1: going to do that and just get away with it.
26:41
Speaker 1: And the mentality is I'm going to do these things
26:45
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get away with it. Just just
26:47
Speaker 1: that just that idea that they have in their mind
26:50
Speaker 1: is something that none of us understand and you and
26:52
Speaker 1: meet to because we've been arrested plenty of times UM
26:55
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. In some of the same places
26:58
Speaker 1: that we watched them destroy the plate the Saint, we
27:01
Speaker 1: walked down the same hallways that they marched down, and
27:04
Speaker 1: we got arrested for doing nothing but using our our
27:06
Speaker 1: our mouths our words. And I remember when we were
27:10
Speaker 1: protesting against Kavanaugh, the Kavanaugh nomination to the Supreme Court.
27:15
Speaker 1: All I did was in the Senate chambers, I just
27:17
Speaker 1: stood up and all I said was this is a
27:19
Speaker 1: travesty of justice, a mockery of our democracy. That's all
27:22
Speaker 1: I did. I just used my words, and all of
27:23
Speaker 1: a sudden, a white police officer literally dragged me across
27:26
Speaker 1: seven chairs and I had lorses on one side of
27:29
Speaker 1: my body for weeks after that. That's all I did.
27:31
Speaker 1: And then not seeing the same treatment. And I'm not
27:33
Speaker 1: saying that I want to see people abused and whatever,
27:36
Speaker 1: but the point is is again the application of like
27:40
Speaker 1: we go there understanding that just a standing and blocking
27:43
Speaker 1: a hallways going to get us arrested, the fact that
27:45
Speaker 1: they thought they could destroy windows and climb up the
27:48
Speaker 1: sides of the buildings and not is the same mentality
27:50
Speaker 1: that Kyle had. He was he was looking at these
27:53
Speaker 1: people like I could be like them. He was a
27:54
Speaker 1: young impressionable boy who was like this is what I
27:58
Speaker 1: strived to be, and The thing is, I don't think
28:01
Speaker 1: it's just that they're gonna get off, right like in
28:04
Speaker 1: the written House case is a great example. He didn't
28:06
Speaker 1: just get off. He didn't just get the judge saying
28:09
Speaker 1: he was a nice boy. He's got national attention. He's
28:13
Speaker 1: gotten congressmen to say they want to give him an internship.
28:16
Speaker 1: He's gotten President Trump to tweet about him and stand
28:18
Speaker 1: with him in pictures and laud him. He's gotten much
28:21
Speaker 1: more than simply getting off. And black folks when we
28:24
Speaker 1: find and other folks when we find ourselves in a
28:27
Speaker 1: similar situation as you mentioned, Linda, when you were arrested
28:30
Speaker 1: in d C. You didn't just get arrested. You got dragged,
28:33
Speaker 1: you got pulled, you got thrown. So I think the
28:36
Speaker 1: important piece is not just that folks are getting off,
28:39
Speaker 1: but that folks are getting a lot more when they
28:41
Speaker 1: get off. And it's not just that black folks get arrested,
28:44
Speaker 1: but it's that you might die, you might get killed,
28:46
Speaker 1: you might get tortured in jail when you get arrested.
28:48
Speaker 1: So you see these very two extremes play out when
28:51
Speaker 1: black folks versus white folks find themselves in the clutches
28:55
Speaker 1: of the criminal justice system. So I think we have
28:57
Speaker 1: to be more careful in how we exp lane these
29:01
Speaker 1: very different experiences when two different folks enter the same system.
29:06
Speaker 1: To me, that is where just injustice and inequality kind
29:09
Speaker 1: of reign through the most. That's telling Vangelo, And I
29:14
Speaker 1: think for me it's just it's just you know it
29:18
Speaker 1: it um, it just tells the mentality of America. You know,
29:22
Speaker 1: Like you said, Redhouse raised about Timm and Dallas for
29:26
Speaker 1: his leagal fus, you know, and then when you see
29:28
Speaker 1: him with UM forty five, it's like wow, you know,
29:36
Speaker 1: it's not like wild to you, but it's like, you
29:38
Speaker 1: know what, I think it's like wild because it's so blatant.
29:41
Speaker 1: It's so blatant that we can just see this and
29:44
Speaker 1: this is, this is and then a day afterwards, you know, um,
29:49
Speaker 1: the people that he's praises, you know, they actually the
29:52
Speaker 1: proud Boys and other people who were, um, the people
29:57
Speaker 1: who are what's the lady's name who was killed old
30:00
Speaker 1: during the Charlotteville Race, what was her name? The white
30:08
Speaker 1: woman that was her and other people were awarded twenty
30:16
Speaker 1: six million. So it's like, you see and we recognize
30:20
Speaker 1: what's going on in America and sometimes it's painful, but
30:24
Speaker 1: we we've become so numb and you know, jaded to
30:28
Speaker 1: the reality of racism in America and white supremacy and
30:32
Speaker 1: how it shows up, like Angelo said differently, for us,
30:35
Speaker 1: how we can be thrown to merely state in our opinion,
30:38
Speaker 1: and and and themn they're killed for state in our opinion,
30:41
Speaker 1: when they can kill people and be celebrated and called
30:44
Speaker 1: the hero, you know, people who who aren't any threat
30:47
Speaker 1: to them. You know, I don't. I still can't. Every
30:50
Speaker 1: time I think about this case, the rettenhouse case, it
30:53
Speaker 1: just brings me back in a mad already. It brings
30:56
Speaker 1: me back to Trayvonn. It's the same thing a young
30:59
Speaker 1: black boy walking the street and someone who was armed
31:02
Speaker 1: feel like they have to protect the community against this
31:05
Speaker 1: man because they're walking by black or they're jogging by black.
31:09
Speaker 1: But the people, but people will push back against that
31:12
Speaker 1: and this um. You know, I want to say the
31:14
Speaker 1: talk about as well, because I am so confused as
31:17
Speaker 1: to why there are many black people who don't see
31:21
Speaker 1: how the written house situation is a black issue, and
31:26
Speaker 1: so there are people pushed back against that because they'll
31:29
Speaker 1: say it's not Trayvon, it's not the same thing. These
31:32
Speaker 1: were white people killing white people, and they feel you're
31:36
Speaker 1: race baiting when you try to bring the two issues together. Well,
31:39
Speaker 1: the reality of situation is that a white man went
31:42
Speaker 1: to a black rally, a rally that was about an
31:47
Speaker 1: officer who shot and and paralyzed the black man for
31:52
Speaker 1: who was unarmed, who was walking to his car, and
31:54
Speaker 1: shot the man in the back. And this rally was
31:57
Speaker 1: against protesting against the violence that the police had done
32:00
Speaker 1: to a black man. So when Kyle Rittenhouse left his home,
32:04
Speaker 1: he knew that there was a rally that was going
32:07
Speaker 1: on for black people, and he said, I'm bringing my
32:11
Speaker 1: gun and these people are not going to do things
32:14
Speaker 1: to this community because I'm gonna step up and I'm
32:17
Speaker 1: gonna do this and I'm tired of this and I'm
32:19
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. So his mind state when
32:22
Speaker 1: he went to that rally was that it was a
32:25
Speaker 1: pro black rally. It was something that black people were
32:28
Speaker 1: protesting against. When he got to that rally, he met
32:32
Speaker 1: white allies of black people who seen him out there,
32:35
Speaker 1: and he probably antagonized those people and say, hey, you guys,
32:39
Speaker 1: it is and this and that and we don't care
32:41
Speaker 1: about Black lives Matter and all this ship, and he
32:43
Speaker 1: got into altercations with those people. I very doubt that
32:47
Speaker 1: the people that chased him and all of that who
32:50
Speaker 1: didn't have guns, that they initiated violence him. I just
32:54
Speaker 1: don't see that the same way, even though I wasn't
32:56
Speaker 1: there for trade bar his invenment. I doubt that trade
33:00
Speaker 1: on lord a man with a gun into an alley,
33:02
Speaker 1: you know, and said, oh, you know what you're I'm
33:05
Speaker 1: a young boy and I'm a loryer. You into this
33:07
Speaker 1: dark alley while you have a gun so that I
33:10
Speaker 1: can be the aggressive against you. And and the mind
33:12
Speaker 1: state that comes with that is the mind state of
33:15
Speaker 1: individuals saying that black people are dangerous, right, it is
33:19
Speaker 1: the mindset is saying that all people around black, anything
33:22
Speaker 1: that's attached to black, black allies, all of the you know,
33:26
Speaker 1: the the whole narrative that they was talking that the
33:29
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests or riots and people are crazy
33:34
Speaker 1: and everybody is the most dangerous people in the world.
33:37
Speaker 1: So this is where the mentality comes from, and this
33:39
Speaker 1: is where the racism enacts. The initial thought process of
33:44
Speaker 1: cal Rittenhouse was I'm going to a black rally with
33:47
Speaker 1: my gun, and whatever I have to do with this gun,
33:49
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. So if people don't identify that
33:53
Speaker 1: as racism and and you know, and realize what he
33:56
Speaker 1: was there for with the mentality how he drove across
33:59
Speaker 1: state line, This young boy who shouldn't even have been
34:02
Speaker 1: with any gun at all, drove acrourse their lives. What
34:05
Speaker 1: was his mentality? Who emboldened him to think that he
34:08
Speaker 1: should be able to be doing this, you know? And
34:10
Speaker 1: it's the only thing that does that is white of supremacist. Yeah,
34:14
Speaker 1: because he was out there in my judgment two to
34:20
Speaker 1: take care of nigger lovers. Because that's what it is like.
34:24
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know why. I think some
34:27
Speaker 1: people just want Maybe they they just don't want to
34:31
Speaker 1: believe what's right before their eyes in terms of the
34:34
Speaker 1: racism and all of the injustice and oppression that they see.
34:38
Speaker 1: So perhaps they're just like trying to come up with
34:41
Speaker 1: a way to make make it make sense. But then
34:44
Speaker 1: there are other people that are just straight trolls. They
34:46
Speaker 1: know better, but they have decided that they're going to
34:50
Speaker 1: take a position against our communities because maybe it's more
34:54
Speaker 1: comfortable for them on the other side. These are the
34:57
Speaker 1: Candice owned lovers. These are are the ones who, um,
35:01
Speaker 1: you know, will tell us how Trump did a lot
35:03
Speaker 1: for black people that I still haven't figured out what
35:06
Speaker 1: it is. You know. These are folks who who will
35:09
Speaker 1: get us caught up in conversations that we know make
35:13
Speaker 1: absolutely no sense, because I find myself trying to explain
35:17
Speaker 1: even to family members why some of these situations can
35:22
Speaker 1: be deemed as racist, and they, you know, they say, no,
35:26
Speaker 1: not everything is racist, and it's not. You know, I no,
35:28
Speaker 1: we're not talking about everything. We're talking about the things
35:31
Speaker 1: that are So you know, I I completely I know
35:36
Speaker 1: for for sure. In fact, I believe and maybe y'all
35:41
Speaker 1: think something different, but I believe that when the judge
35:45
Speaker 1: said to Kyle Rittenhouse, you're a good boy, that he
35:50
Speaker 1: was not saying it in terms of like, oh, you know,
35:54
Speaker 1: you're so sweet and or kind or whatever, but that
35:57
Speaker 1: instead he was literally pubbed saying to him, you did
36:03
Speaker 1: the right thing. That's what I think. I think the
36:06
Speaker 1: judge has a white supremacist mindset as well. Of course,
36:12
Speaker 1: he was saying, good job, boy, you know, you did good,
36:15
Speaker 1: you did well. And I think that's what America does,
36:17
Speaker 1: And I think you gotta you just have to know history.
36:19
Speaker 1: Even like when the Freedom Rides took place and Cheney,
36:22
Speaker 1: Goodman and Schwerner were killed when they went down south,
36:26
Speaker 1: it was white allies who got murdered too, And at
36:30
Speaker 1: some point white supremacists are not differentiating between black folks
36:34
Speaker 1: and white allies. You're in the same pot, You're in
36:36
Speaker 1: the same boat. And I think that's what we saw
36:39
Speaker 1: in this trial because the reality of it is, is
36:42
Speaker 1: it it's not just that they're opposing black folks, which
36:44
Speaker 1: is of course what they're doing, but they're also opposing
36:48
Speaker 1: anything that threatens the power that they currently have. You know,
36:52
Speaker 1: a white person or white ally or brown person or
36:55
Speaker 1: whatever person, and you're saying that white supremacy should not
36:58
Speaker 1: stand and function that does it exists if you say
37:01
Speaker 1: that black lives matter, if you say that black people
37:03
Speaker 1: should not be killed in the street, if you protest
37:05
Speaker 1: when it happens, you are in the same vote as
37:08
Speaker 1: black voters. Right. But is that is that also? And Linda,
37:13
Speaker 1: you could get in on this part. Is that also
37:17
Speaker 1: the immigration struggle? Is it that it threatens right power
37:23
Speaker 1: if you will to have immigrants be made whole in
37:27
Speaker 1: this country. Is it does it have something to do
37:30
Speaker 1: with the declining population of white people, or do you
37:36
Speaker 1: think that it's just you know, America is overloaded with
37:40
Speaker 1: it with folks and we just need to keep people
37:42
Speaker 1: out the bottom line to me, because it's that's exactly
37:45
Speaker 1: what the problem is then, and that's also part of
37:47
Speaker 1: the fight around voting rights, around suppressing the rights of
37:51
Speaker 1: voters on particularly black voters and brown voters and poor
37:54
Speaker 1: communities across the country. The demographics of this country are changing, um,
38:00
Speaker 1: not only due to immigration but also through um intermarriage. Uh.
38:05
Speaker 1: And then we're also watching black and brown communities build
38:09
Speaker 1: political powers. So now we're starting to see more representation
38:12
Speaker 1: in the state legislators, in the city councils, even in Congress,
38:16
Speaker 1: and starting to see people talk about issues that the
38:21
Speaker 1: movement has been working on on the ground for decades,
38:24
Speaker 1: maybe some will say centuries. And so that's what's threatening them,
38:27
Speaker 1: seeing that they're losing power, they're losing grip on on
38:32
Speaker 1: on on the centuries of of just literally monopolizing power
38:40
Speaker 1: incorporations and legislators and in every aspect really of our lives.
38:46
Speaker 1: And immigration threatens that UM and and and or at
38:50
Speaker 1: least in their mind they believe that. But the bottom
38:52
Speaker 1: line is, we need this is a country that was,
38:55
Speaker 1: you know, kind of founded on this idea that you know,
39:00
Speaker 1: this is a place where people can flee political persecution,
39:03
Speaker 1: they can flee religious persecution, they can flee extreme poverty
39:06
Speaker 1: and come and have a chance at life. And a
39:08
Speaker 1: lot of these white folks themselves, they're not indigenous to
39:11
Speaker 1: this land. So it's always so hypocritical that we talked
39:13
Speaker 1: about we don't want immigrants here, um and then and
39:17
Speaker 1: then not think about, as Angelo said, the history of
39:19
Speaker 1: this country, like the Pilgrims came here and they were
39:22
Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants. You didn't have no papers, Nobody asked you
39:25
Speaker 1: to come here. You came because you were fleeing multiple
39:29
Speaker 1: things in Europe and other parts of the world, and
39:31
Speaker 1: that's how you got here in the first place. And
39:33
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, when they gained power and
39:35
Speaker 1: they have all this access, now they want to stop
39:38
Speaker 1: other people from having that same opportunity. Immigration is a
39:43
Speaker 1: is a very divisive issue um in this country, and
39:45
Speaker 1: immigrants deserve to have full rights and full dignity. And
39:49
Speaker 1: if we were embombing people's countries and if we weren't
39:52
Speaker 1: creating financial instability against many of these nations and actually
39:58
Speaker 1: involving ourselves in ways that shouldn't, maybe these people wouldn't
40:01
Speaker 1: want to come here either, because nobody wants to leave
40:03
Speaker 1: their home, nobody wants to leave everything that they knew
40:06
Speaker 1: to come to America. They come here because of very
40:08
Speaker 1: desperate measures, and the and the pilgrims came here in pillage, right.
40:13
Speaker 1: So to the point is that white folks were the
40:15
Speaker 1: first immigrants of this country. They were the first folks
40:18
Speaker 1: who came to the shores and tried to get in
40:21
Speaker 1: when folks didn't want them in, and they caused a
40:23
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of destruction at that. They didn't come in
40:26
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we just want to work, we want
40:27
Speaker 1: to work with you. They came in and caused destruction.
40:30
Speaker 1: And I think they also know the power that comes
40:33
Speaker 1: along with becoming politically involved, right and assimilating. So they're
40:38
Speaker 1: beginning to witness other folks do what they did, and
40:42
Speaker 1: I think it makes them very fearful of what the
40:45
Speaker 1: future is to hold. And I don't think you could
40:47
Speaker 1: shake that now. You can't, you can't shape it. I
40:52
Speaker 1: think that you know the inferiority complex that many white
40:57
Speaker 1: people and particularly people who are in position and the
41:00
Speaker 1: power in this nation have is very dangerous. It always
41:04
Speaker 1: has been and it continues to be threatening, life threatening
41:08
Speaker 1: to us. And here we are now sitting waiting on
41:12
Speaker 1: Um a decision about something that I just you know,
41:16
Speaker 1: just to just to watch AMA's mom go through what
41:19
Speaker 1: she's going through. And I've been at the side of
41:23
Speaker 1: way too many mothers for a long time that have
41:26
Speaker 1: had to sit through these trials and really are not confident.
41:30
Speaker 1: You know, they're just not confident that of what will happen,
41:34
Speaker 1: and they should be. So it's a painful moment. But Mice,
41:37
Speaker 1: I know you had some other stuff you wanted to say, UM,
41:40
Speaker 1: And I just want to thank you all, my friends,
41:43
Speaker 1: my comrades for you know, let's be let's let's continue
41:47
Speaker 1: to to stay together because we all we got Yeah.
41:51
Speaker 1: I just wanted to just get a consensus, Like at
41:54
Speaker 1: the end of the day, what do you guys, what
41:56
Speaker 1: is your good feeling about this trail? Man? I really
41:59
Speaker 1: think just based off not just the evidence only just
42:03
Speaker 1: based off of them wanting to see these tapes and
42:07
Speaker 1: hear this not on one car I think there's probably
42:10
Speaker 1: one or two people in there that's trying to, you know, say, hey,
42:14
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was self defense or it could
42:16
Speaker 1: have been. But I think the majority of people have
42:19
Speaker 1: the consensus of you know, this man was murdered. I
42:22
Speaker 1: think for me that ultimately, ultimately that you know, they
42:27
Speaker 1: will be found guilty. That's just how I feel. I believe. Unfortunately,
42:31
Speaker 1: you know, America doesn't give you much to believe in,
42:34
Speaker 1: But I just believe that this is too heineous and
42:37
Speaker 1: it's too obvious for you know, a jury, complete jury
42:42
Speaker 1: to just say that it didn't happen. Just just this
42:44
Speaker 1: is how I feel. Maybe I'm I wish we're thinking, yeah,
42:48
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy. And I think the same was
42:50
Speaker 1: true in so many cases that we actually have to
42:53
Speaker 1: watch the tribe the tribal excuse me of a murder
42:57
Speaker 1: that we witnessed, like we're actually watching the trial of
42:59
Speaker 1: a murder that we also caught on tape, which is
43:02
Speaker 1: insanity if it's not open and shut in some degree.
43:05
Speaker 1: But I think in this situation, my gut is telling
43:08
Speaker 1: me that it's gonna be a hung jury. I don't
43:09
Speaker 1: think you have the circumstances in the written house case
43:12
Speaker 1: where you have a young white boy where folks can
43:15
Speaker 1: look at them and see their child and they're super
43:18
Speaker 1: overly sympathetic and don't want anything bad to happen to him.
43:22
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have some folks on the jury
43:24
Speaker 1: that say, hold lord, these older white men did something wrong.
43:27
Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna have enough jurors, or at
43:29
Speaker 1: least one juror in the mix, to also say, well,
43:32
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't do it, or maybe the law shouldn't
43:34
Speaker 1: be applied to them like that. And I think what
43:36
Speaker 1: you're gonna see this is my perspective as a hung jury.
43:39
Speaker 1: They're not going to be found guilty, They're not gonna
43:41
Speaker 1: being found innocent. But I think the jury is not
43:43
Speaker 1: going to be able to come together and decide kind
43:46
Speaker 1: of the guilt or innocence on this case, and as
43:48
Speaker 1: a result, these folks are gonna get off. I'm with
43:54
Speaker 1: Angelo on that one. The uncertainty of it all, and
43:56
Speaker 1: what people have to understand about these types of trials
43:59
Speaker 1: is that all it takes is one person, one person
44:03
Speaker 1: to say I don't agree that they're guilty, because the
44:07
Speaker 1: jury has to come back with pretty much a unanimous verdict,
44:11
Speaker 1: and if they're not able to reach that, uh, what
44:14
Speaker 1: happens usually is they'll come back to the courtroom and
44:16
Speaker 1: say we haven't been able to reach a verdict, and
44:18
Speaker 1: the judge will tell them go back for a couple
44:20
Speaker 1: of more hours, but eventually it becomes a hung jury.
44:23
Speaker 1: And and what the defense attorney, the woman was doing,
44:27
Speaker 1: really is what she said to the jurors, which is
44:29
Speaker 1: what really worried me. She said, listen, even if you
44:31
Speaker 1: think that they're guilty, but there's one percent chance that
44:37
Speaker 1: they're not guilty, then legally you cannot bring back a
44:41
Speaker 1: guilty verdict. So she's basically telling them, if you have
44:43
Speaker 1: a little doubt, a little drop of a doubt in
44:46
Speaker 1: your body, that you cannot come back with a guilty verdict.
44:49
Speaker 1: And that is kind of what threw me off a
44:51
Speaker 1: little bit, because we cannot guarantee that twelve people are
44:56
Speaker 1: sitting in that deliberation room being like these three men
45:00
Speaker 1: are one guilty there. You know, people are human, they
45:04
Speaker 1: always decide, you know, maybe and have factors that they
45:08
Speaker 1: want to bring into it. But when she said, if
45:11
Speaker 1: you think they're one percent not guilty, you have to
45:13
Speaker 1: come back with a not guilty verdict and that kind
45:15
Speaker 1: of threw me off. So I'm not keeping my hopes
45:17
Speaker 1: up too much, but I hope, um, that we come
45:20
Speaker 1: back with some accountability, some justice, because wander Cooper deserves that,
45:24
Speaker 1: the a mod of are very families deserve that, and
45:27
Speaker 1: really this past week, I think black people in America
45:29
Speaker 1: deserve something, especially as we go into the holidays. Yeah, no,
45:33
Speaker 1: I I agree. Um, I think it's gonna be a
45:36
Speaker 1: guilty verdict period. And UM, you know, I think I think,
45:43
Speaker 1: I I do agree with you that we all deserve that. Um.
45:48
Speaker 1: I believe that there's someone or someone's on that jury
45:53
Speaker 1: that just that are able that had that were okay,
45:58
Speaker 1: let me say this, I think that idea or the
46:01
Speaker 1: fact that they have called for those videos means that
46:04
Speaker 1: someone or someone's have said stop trying to act like
46:10
Speaker 1: what what what happened did not happen. Perhaps it's a
46:14
Speaker 1: hung jury, but I think that whoever it is or
46:17
Speaker 1: whomever they are, have made a strong case with the
46:22
Speaker 1: jury that what the defense attorney is trying to tell
46:26
Speaker 1: you is a trick. They're playing a trick on your mind.
46:30
Speaker 1: But the truth is there and the proof is in
46:32
Speaker 1: the putting it's in the videos, in the tape, So
46:35
Speaker 1: I was really encouraged by them calling for the tapes today.
46:38
Speaker 1: And I do think it's gonna be a guilty verdict.
46:41
Speaker 1: But I also think that one of the killing factors
46:45
Speaker 1: is how the defense attorney took a lot of time
46:51
Speaker 1: to communicate certain things about black people, black men, particularly
46:59
Speaker 1: two white women with a majority white woman jury. She
47:05
Speaker 1: said things that are it's a depiction of the super predators,
47:10
Speaker 1: which is you know what what Hillary Clinton called um,
47:14
Speaker 1: young black men years ago, um that you know, we're
47:19
Speaker 1: perceived and or actually committing crimes. Right, she called them
47:23
Speaker 1: super predators. And I think that, uh, the the the
47:27
Speaker 1: the the words that the defense attorney used in a
47:33
Speaker 1: way in which she spoke about a mod arvery was
47:37
Speaker 1: yet another example of the narrative that is out there
47:41
Speaker 1: about black men. And for me, there will be a
47:44
Speaker 1: guilty verdict, but the verdict is also guilty on how
47:49
Speaker 1: white women UM had for far too long conspired against
47:54
Speaker 1: black men, and that's something that we also are going
47:57
Speaker 1: to have to address. I absolutely, and that's the that's
48:01
Speaker 1: the part to make it that also worried me because
48:04
Speaker 1: as we've experienced over the past couple of years that
48:09
Speaker 1: white women, oftentimes and of course not all white women,
48:14
Speaker 1: but white some white women are not to be trusted.
48:17
Speaker 1: And watching the way the women was trying to appeal
48:20
Speaker 1: to their fears and the ways in which she described
48:24
Speaker 1: Ahmad are Very, which was the most disgusting, most outrageous
48:28
Speaker 1: thing that I've ever heard, and to the point where
48:30
Speaker 1: Wanda Cooper reaches add Areby's mother had to walk out
48:33
Speaker 1: of that courtroom. That was also what worried me to
48:36
Speaker 1: She was trying to paint this picture that Ahmad Arevery
48:39
Speaker 1: is not the victim here um that in fact, that
48:42
Speaker 1: the McMichaels were protecting the community from Ahmad Areverrey, and
48:48
Speaker 1: that that they were almost trying to say that that
48:50
Speaker 1: that these you know, these men were you know, defending
48:53
Speaker 1: their communities. That they were talking to the neighbors. You know,
48:56
Speaker 1: these are people, these are good citizens that wanted a
48:58
Speaker 1: safe community for the children. And she was talking about, uh,
49:01
Speaker 1: you know she if you remember, she was kind of
49:03
Speaker 1: describing some of the neighbors like this elderly couple and
49:07
Speaker 1: the single woman who was living, you know, in a
49:09
Speaker 1: house by herself, and then this family that had three
49:12
Speaker 1: little girls you know, and and and and the way
49:14
Speaker 1: she was trying, she was implying things that were so racist,
49:19
Speaker 1: um that it was it was like it was hard
49:20
Speaker 1: to even sit through that and listen to that. And
49:23
Speaker 1: I know she was specifically speaking directly to the white
49:27
Speaker 1: woman and the jury and I and I know that
49:29
Speaker 1: one of the women on the jury who she continuously said,
49:33
Speaker 1: and then and then the other defense attorneys were claiming
49:35
Speaker 1: that there was a woman on the jury that was
49:38
Speaker 1: like sleeping and was it really focused and paying attention.
49:41
Speaker 1: I think she may have been a white woman that
49:43
Speaker 1: might have been rolling her eyes and might not have
49:45
Speaker 1: been giving them the type of facial responses that they wanted,
49:48
Speaker 1: because everybody else was like, I didn't see the lady sleeping,
49:50
Speaker 1: And so there might have been one white woman who
49:53
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm not buying that, But then there
49:55
Speaker 1: are others that might have been buying into that argument.
49:58
Speaker 1: Oh thank you guys, man. You know, I love you guys.
50:02
Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a tough week. But I
50:04
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do it with anybody else with you, man,
50:06
Speaker 1: until a freedom. You know the work that we do,
50:09
Speaker 1: and each one of you do. I'm a fan of
50:12
Speaker 1: you guys. So I just want to appreciate you and
50:15
Speaker 1: give your flowers while you're here. Man Um, thanks for
50:18
Speaker 1: coming on, giving your expertise in in the in the
50:22
Speaker 1: field and just you know, just sharing space with us
50:25
Speaker 1: and just just being here. Man. We we just deal
50:28
Speaker 1: with so much just as the people, but we I
50:30
Speaker 1: know exactly what us for a deal with on an
50:32
Speaker 1: everyday basis. So I just want to say thank you
50:34
Speaker 1: for getting up at ten o'clock in the morning to
50:37
Speaker 1: join us on street politicians after you left for us
50:41
Speaker 1: for two days and you only get three hours of sleep. Man,
50:43
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you all for doing that.
50:46
Speaker 1: Thank you all for having We love you, Mice and Tamika.
50:52
Speaker 1: Well we got, we got we all we need. There
50:56
Speaker 1: you go, there you go. Well, thank you. We're gonna
50:59
Speaker 1: see later. We got work to do, so we'll hit
51:02
Speaker 1: you right after we get over here to be doing
51:04
Speaker 1: something else. That's crazy, that's out of my mind. So
51:07
Speaker 1: I love you Angelo and Linda vote like I mean,
51:14
Speaker 1: I hope that people get to see the brilliance right
51:16
Speaker 1: like they get to see and understand why we spent
51:20
Speaker 1: so much time with the two of them, Because Angelo
51:22
Speaker 1: is like the Quiet Storm, He's like, you know, the
51:26
Speaker 1: he know, his his analysis of these issues, it's so
51:29
Speaker 1: it's so deep. And what I love is some lawyers
51:32
Speaker 1: is just legal, but in his situation, it's not just legal.
51:36
Speaker 1: He also has a radical position for what freedom fighting
51:41
Speaker 1: actually looks like and what justice looks like. And so,
51:44
Speaker 1: you know, I always appreciate talking to him. And then
51:47
Speaker 1: you know Linda, she's so knowledgeable about these issues and
51:51
Speaker 1: the ways in which she pays attention to what's happening
51:54
Speaker 1: with black folks is what real accomplishing. I don't even
51:57
Speaker 1: know if that's the right word, but real ally ship,
52:00
Speaker 1: that's what it really really looks like. And so, uh,
52:03
Speaker 1: you know, I just I was, I'm glad we got
52:05
Speaker 1: up today too, uh, sit and talk with them because
52:09
Speaker 1: I think that the depth of analysis that has happened
52:14
Speaker 1: with this show, and you know what is to come,
52:18
Speaker 1: it's going to be important for people to be able
52:20
Speaker 1: to see beyond the emotional sort of knee jerk reaction
52:24
Speaker 1: that we have to these cases. Um. So you know,
52:27
Speaker 1: I always just appreciate having my brother insisted to be
52:31
Speaker 1: with us, But my son has gotta be something that
52:33
Speaker 1: you don't get This week I mean, it's a lot
52:36
Speaker 1: that I don't get this week. Man. You know, I
52:39
Speaker 1: just before before I get into that, I was just
52:42
Speaker 1: I was sitting here thinking when Angelo was giving his
52:45
Speaker 1: analysis and and you were talking about how they were
52:50
Speaker 1: sending these dog whistles to the you know, the conservative
52:53
Speaker 1: white women of how dangerous and these you know, these
52:57
Speaker 1: things about black men, and I thought about Birth of
53:00
Speaker 1: a Nation, you know, I thought about there was original
53:04
Speaker 1: movie about Birth of the Nation that had a man
53:07
Speaker 1: in black face that painted the black man as this monster.
53:11
Speaker 1: You know, in the whole movie was to put fear
53:15
Speaker 1: of black men into white women, into white people. And
53:19
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you know, the defense attorney was trying
53:23
Speaker 1: to do when she's talked about a Mar's dirty nails,
53:26
Speaker 1: and and she talked about his baggy shorts and how
53:31
Speaker 1: he had he had once been a good boy and
53:33
Speaker 1: somehow he went off, you know, and and and and
53:37
Speaker 1: this this is this is the mentality that most white
53:39
Speaker 1: supremacists see of black people. And it's not even white
53:42
Speaker 1: supremacist white people who have been brought up on white
53:47
Speaker 1: privilege and white supremacy just to believe that black people,
53:51
Speaker 1: especially black men, are just dangerous, you know. So when
53:54
Speaker 1: I heard that, it immediately clicked in my mind. How
53:58
Speaker 1: you know, this is how KA thinks and how and
54:01
Speaker 1: and they don't even believe it to be racist. They
54:03
Speaker 1: just think, you know, yeah, black people are just dangerous, man.
54:06
Speaker 1: They still the kiddy. They can harm you. You know,
54:08
Speaker 1: when you see them, you should be scared of them.
54:10
Speaker 1: And it's a mentality that's been embedded in privileged white
54:15
Speaker 1: people who have never grown up around black people for
54:19
Speaker 1: as long as I've ever known. So I just wanted
54:21
Speaker 1: to say that. And basically what I don't get is
54:24
Speaker 1: I don't get none of it, you know. I don't
54:26
Speaker 1: get how after trade Vonmar and we're still talking about this.
54:29
Speaker 1: I don't get how Kyle Rittenhouse can go home and
54:32
Speaker 1: then be called the hero. I don't get how Ahma
54:36
Speaker 1: Arebury it is still on trial even though it's not
54:38
Speaker 1: the trial of Ama Arebury. I don't forget. I don't
54:41
Speaker 1: get how we as black and brown and and marginalized
54:45
Speaker 1: people still have to look at the case that we
54:48
Speaker 1: know it's clear cut murder and have to say we
54:51
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen. I just don't get why
54:55
Speaker 1: why we become so accustomed to injustice, we've grown so
55:01
Speaker 1: accustomed to not getting it right or what especially when
55:04
Speaker 1: it comes to us. You know that when in the
55:07
Speaker 1: cal Riddhouse case, there's no black man that would have
55:09
Speaker 1: went to that trial. Every black man would have tried
55:12
Speaker 1: to figure out a plea boggame because they would have said,
55:14
Speaker 1: they're gonna hang you. They would have looked and said,
55:16
Speaker 1: you just killed these people and you shouldn't have been there,
55:19
Speaker 1: and you had a gun, and we don't even know
55:21
Speaker 1: why you had a gun. You need to cop out,
55:23
Speaker 1: You will need to cop out and try to get
55:25
Speaker 1: the best things so they don't kill you. Don't get
55:26
Speaker 1: how Julius Jones committed a crime or supposedly committed crime,
55:31
Speaker 1: and nineteen that they found out that there is there's
55:34
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt to believe he didn't and we we only
55:37
Speaker 1: thing we can access that they didn't murder him. They didn't.
55:41
Speaker 1: We we we we we could We had to celebrate
55:44
Speaker 1: not not that after twenty years of five years in prison,
55:48
Speaker 1: that they were freeing him, that they didn't murder him,
55:51
Speaker 1: that they didn't put lethal injection into his body and
55:54
Speaker 1: take his life for a crime. That it's more often
55:57
Speaker 1: than not, he probably did not commit. But yet Karl
56:01
Speaker 1: Rittenhouse is called the hero for killing people who didn't
56:04
Speaker 1: have anything, who didn't who we know, we watched him
56:08
Speaker 1: see this week. And yet Amard Aarbrery is on trial.
56:12
Speaker 1: I hate to say, but Armand Aubrery is on trial.
56:14
Speaker 1: The ladies sat in that courtroom and said that he
56:18
Speaker 1: refused to be captured, and for some strange reason, he
56:23
Speaker 1: chose to fight, and that really hurt me so bad,
56:26
Speaker 1: because why should we allow you to capture us and
56:30
Speaker 1: we've done nothing wrong. What gives you the privilege to
56:33
Speaker 1: think that you could capture us and and and and
56:36
Speaker 1: trap us and we're supposed to not fight you damn righty?
56:40
Speaker 1: For he fought for his life because he's seen white
56:43
Speaker 1: men trapping him on the road when he did nothing wrong.
56:46
Speaker 1: As he jogged with guns and he lungs because he
56:49
Speaker 1: said to myself, if I don't, they're gonna kill me anyway.
56:52
Speaker 1: So this is all I got to do is fight.
56:54
Speaker 1: And I don't know why we are crucified for fighting
56:57
Speaker 1: for our lives. So I don't get none of this ship.
57:00
Speaker 1: I don't understand none of this ship. And as I
57:02
Speaker 1: think about it more makes me more and more angry.
57:04
Speaker 1: It makes me sad that I have young black boys
57:07
Speaker 1: that I have to raise in this country where they
57:09
Speaker 1: will be on trial if a white man murders. I
57:15
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything left to be said. That's it.
57:19
Speaker 1: I don't get it either, So I can't give an explanation.
57:23
Speaker 1: I don't get it, and I'm not gonna make myself
57:26
Speaker 1: comfortable with or or try to, you know, say oh, well,
57:30
Speaker 1: this is just how it is. I refused to do that.
57:33
Speaker 1: I will forever, uh try to be hopeful when situations
57:38
Speaker 1: like a verdict is imminent. I want to believe that
57:42
Speaker 1: it's going to go in the right way until it doesn't.
57:45
Speaker 1: I'm going to always hope that this country, this nation,
57:49
Speaker 1: can be better. And I'm going to always be outrage
57:52
Speaker 1: whenever a black person or any marginalized community is threatened
57:57
Speaker 1: by the authority and the privilege, the white privilege, the
58:02
Speaker 1: white supremacist mindset that reigns over our society. And so
58:07
Speaker 1: you know, that's I guess that's naive of me. Maybe
58:10
Speaker 1: it's a mature, maybe it's a lack of leadership and vision,
58:14
Speaker 1: but that's how I'm going to operate forever. I love
58:19
Speaker 1: your optimism, Queen, but I just know for me, you know,
58:23
Speaker 1: the same song, you know, and as a black man,
58:27
Speaker 1: and looking at that situation, knowing that I would have
58:29
Speaker 1: done the same thing, that I would not have been captured.
58:33
Speaker 1: I would have not allowed you to tell me that
58:35
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull your gun and tell me to stop
58:37
Speaker 1: where you kill me and allowed my hand, your life,
58:40
Speaker 1: my life to be in your hands, and for me
58:42
Speaker 1: not to fight back for my life. I would have
58:44
Speaker 1: did the same thing he did. I would have did
58:46
Speaker 1: the same thing Trey Vonde, you know, and understanding that
58:50
Speaker 1: that ultimately might lead to my demands. It's it's it's
58:53
Speaker 1: a hard feeling, but it's it's real for me, you know.
58:57
Speaker 1: So you I want you to have the optimism, Queen.
58:59
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna live life on life's terms and and
59:03
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm gonna hope for the best, but
59:06
Speaker 1: I definitely have to assume worse. And with that said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna always be right. You're not gonna always
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